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What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

2025/2/11
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一位深受欢迎的美国记者、政治分析师和《纽约时报》专栏作家，通过其《The Ezra Klein Show》podcast 探讨各种社会和政治问题。
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Ezra Klein: 作为主持人,我观察到特朗普政府的行动正面临来自法院的日益强烈的反弹。政府对法院权威的挑战,特别是副总统万斯暗示可能无视法院命令的言论,预示着一场潜在的宪法危机。我担心的是,如果行政部门可以自行决定其权力的合法性,那么权力制衡的根基将被动摇。我希望通过与法律专家的对话,揭示这些行动对美国政治和宪法秩序的潜在影响。 Quinta Jurecic: 作为法律专家,我认为特朗普政府的行为,尤其是对美国国际开发署的拆除和对出生公民权行政命令的尝试,不仅具有侵略性,而且可能触犯法律。政府似乎在挑战国会和法院的权威,试图扩大行政权力。我特别关注万斯的言论,这暗示政府可能无视法院的裁决,这将直接威胁到司法审查的原则。我担心的是,这种对宪法秩序的漠视可能导致严重的宪法危机,并对美国的民主制度造成长期的损害。

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The podcast discusses the possibility of a constitutional crisis if the Trump administration ignores court decisions. It explores the administration's aggressive actions and the responses from the courts and other branches of government.
  • Judges have blocked several Trump administration actions.
  • Vice President JD Vance suggested the administration might ignore court decisions.
  • Ignoring court orders would create a constitutional crisis.

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We are moving into the next phase of Donald Trump’s presidency. Phase 1 was the blitz of executive actions. Now comes the response from the other parts of the government — namely, the courts.

A slew of judges, some of them Republican appointees, have frozen a number of the administration’s most aggressive actions: the destruction of U.S.A.I.D., the spending freeze, DOGE’s access to the Treasury payments system and the executive order to end birthright citizenship, to name just a few.

The administration has largely — though not entirely — been abiding by these court decisions. Over the weekend, Vice President JD Vance suggested it might stop. “Judges aren’t allowed to control the executive’s legitimate power,” he posted. Down that path lies a true constitutional crisis.

So what happens if the Trump administration simply tells the courts to shove it? And what other pushback and opposition is the administration beginning to face across the government? Quinta Jurecic, a senior editor at Lawfare, joins me to talk it through.

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“The Situation: What’s Going on at the FBI?)” by Benjamin Wittes

Book Recommendations:

A Survivor’s Education) by Joy Neumeyer

The Rebel) by Albert Camus

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This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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