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The First American Pope

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I'm Stuart Vonney. I'm Martha McCallum. I'm Jason Chaffetz. And this is the Fox News Rundown. Friday, May 9th, 2025. I'm Jessica Rosenthal. The first trade deal is in and the president says more are on the way, including with Europe. And he hopes eventually China. A constant sort of theme or drumbeat that President Trump wants to get trade deals done with a number of other countries in a way that will put pressure and box out China. We speak with Fox News Sunday anchor Shannon Breen.

I'm Grinnell Scott. A vote of cardinals at the Vatican and a steady stream of white smoke signaled history for the world's more than one billion Catholics. We have a pope, and he's an American. He was born and grew up in and around Chicago. And I'm David Marcus. I've got the final word on the Fox News Rundown. ♪

The U.S. and U.K. have the first trade deal after President Trump's new tariffs. We really do. We have a great relationship. I want to just say that the representatives of U.K. have been so professional.

He spoke over the phone with British Prime Minister Keir Starmer on speaker, who lavished praise on the president. In the end, it comes down to, as you say, Donald, economic security is national security. On national security, we've been absolutely the closest of allies for so many years, keeping the peace through that close alliance, that friendship. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick led the talks with other cabinet and trade officials. What they've done is they've found the ways to do that.

so that we have new access, right? But the UK workers are protected. And that was the balance. So you've got, we did a deal with them and automobiles. Lutnick said another part of the deal has Rolls-Royce engines going to Boeing, tariff-free, but now the UK is buying billions of dollars worth of Boeing planes. They've also agreed to accept more agricultural product, including some American beef. Well, I think they'll take what they want. We have plenty of it. We have every...

type. We have every classification you could have. A reciprocal 10% tariff will remain on certain items. However, the president was asked if other deals are imminent. Well, very close. We have numerous deals. I know Howard's going back as soon as this is finished. He noted Thursday that Treasury Secretary Scott Besson was headed to Switzerland to meet with the Chinese. You know, they very much want to make a deal. We can all play games. Who made the first call? Who didn't make them? It doesn't matter. It only matters what happens in that room.

But I will tell you that China very much wants to make a deal. We'll see how that works out. The president also said they're working on a trade deal currently with Europe. And on a Thursday phone call with Germany's new chancellor, the two agreed to resolve trade disputes quickly. Yeah, well, I think that we all knew the pressure was on this 90-day pause on most of the tariffs.

It had to come with delivering some actionables. And so this is the first big one. The president has been hyping this for a couple of days. Shannon Rehm is the anchor of Fox News Sunday.

It's good for Starmer. It's good for President Trump. They both needed a deal like this to get done for various wins on each side of the pond. So you heard the president and he had his team there. You saw Secretary Letnick. You saw Jameson Greer and other members, the vice president, who were trying to get this thing together. And you notice that when Secretary Letnick spoke, he gave all of the credit to President Trump.

President Trump, in response, said, listen, I wish we had 10 Secretary Lutnick's and 10 Secretary Besson's. We can get a lot more of these deals done quickly. But Lutnick very smartly, very wisely said, yes, we did everything we could. But really, this man is a closer. He loves to negotiate. He got this deal done. And we look forward to delivering more. Of course, everybody is watching this weekend where Secretary Besson and Jameson Greer will be in Switzerland to talk to them, but also with the top Chinese delegation about that big trade deal.

Yeah. What do we make of how that might go, given that we hear from Xi Jinping this week that, you know, he's hoping that, you know, they're going to be closer to Russia than ever before? Right. What does that mean, especially in the context of us?

sort of talking to Russia in a new way about the war in Ukraine. Things are fluid. Things are moving. Should we read into that at all? Yeah. So President Xi, of course, in Moscow for a few days with Putin for his Victory Day parade, the celebration of World War Two victory. It's something that Putin loves to highlight and to rally the country. But to have Xi there with him obviously is a big statement. This administration here at home is

has not been happy about the closeness that's been growing between the two of them. And they'll point back the current administration and say the Biden administration made many mistakes. It allowed these two to grow closer. Iran is part of that conversation. And there are a lot of legitimate concerns about that.

You'll also notice in these trade conversations that there is a constant sort of theme or drumbeat that President Trump wants to get trade deals done with a number of other countries in a way that will put pressure and box out China. That's part of getting these deals done with these other countries. So I think there's very much an awareness of the optics of Xi and Putin being together and this administration doing everything they can publicly and privately to pour as much cold water on that as possible.

When it comes to the future trade deals, you know, the Federal Reserve Chairman said this week, look, we're not touching rates.

um that there's a risk of higher unemployment and higher inflation which had a bunch of economists talking about the dreaded stagflation word but the chairman said you know we just really don't know yet he kept saying the word uncertainty he kept saying the word you know trade policy so much is riding here on the outcome of of these deals i know we've got that 90 day deadline but time time really is of the essence it feels like well it really is because um

Every time there is a bit of positive news or hope of positive news, you see the reaction in the markets. And they're just about back to where they were before Liberation Day hit, which the markets did not like. They hate uncertainty. So the more that these deals can come together and the more quickly, the more it stabilizes the markets, which I think meets a lot of the concerns that the Fed has. President Trump goes right back at everything he heard from the Fed chairman saying, look,

Gas is down. Eggs are down. Eggs have been a big discussion. Eggs are down. Inflation was down slightly. Wages are up. He's really trying to make the case to the Fed chairman, you're getting it wrong. He calls him too late. He thinks that he is not. He's being too measured.

And, you know, this administration will point back to just before the election and saying, well, why were there cuts last year leading into a presidential election? And why now when we've stabilized some things by the Trump administration's estimation, why can you not do it now? So I don't think those two will be, you know, hamming it up on a signal chat anytime soon. But they're very publicly kind of speaking to each other publicly. Amazing. Amazing.

So while the president's been and his cabinet have been dealing with this, the trade deals, Congress, aside from hearings, sounds like they've really been trying to negotiate this so-called big, beautiful bill and going back and forth on sort of really the payfors, right? Like, how are we going to do this? How are we going to extend tax cuts and maybe even make them permanent and pay for this without adding to the deficit? A group of House Republicans said, we're not on board with this.

unless this does not add to the deficit. They're arguing over salt. They're arguing for Medicaid. What are you hearing?

Yeah, and I talked to the speaker yesterday. He feels confident they're going to get it done. And he's like, listen, I'm basically a mental health counselor. I listen to all of my people because I get that different parts of the caucus have different concerns. There are also there's this issue of people who are Republicans in swing districts. They have to be even more careful about how this all comes together in these votes. They're all concerned about Medicaid.

And the fact is it's something that Democrats have hammered on. They're going to destroy this program. People are going to die. You're going to be without medical care. That gets people's attention at home, whether it's completely factual or not. And Republicans will say it's not. Now, the president has been asking in multiple interviews if there are cuts to Medicaid and they get to your desk, will you sign it? He keeps saying, no, I would veto that. So.

That's his position, but then we get to the definition of, well, what is a cut to Medicaid? There's this talk of work requirements for able-bodied adults. You explain that to the average person in a poll and they're like, yes, if you have no extenuating circumstances or health issues or whatever, this should be used for people who need it. That's what this very charitable country wants to do is to help those who really actually need to be beneficiaries of the system.

But for a lot of people, when you talk about work requirements, it's a no. I mean, there's a freak out there. Some of the states have said where they tried it at the state level, the cost of ensuring compliance and tracking people's employment, that kind of thing kind of ate into the profits of what you saved by instituting the work requirement. But I'm told the president is open to a discussion about the work requirements. And that's something that by one estimation could kick up to five million people out

off of Medicaid next year. But the question is, okay, well, if they're able-bodied people who don't have any of these special needs or concerns and should be working, then where do you fall on the optics of whether that's a plus or minus?

Interesting. Let's talk about some of the administration's other, some of the other things it wants to do in the context of some of these legal rulings, because you are still our legal eagle. We have this federal judge appointed by President Obama ruling that the Trump administration cannot shut down three agencies. They're smaller ones, like the museum and library services, for example. But he wrote in his ruling, you know, this violates the separation of powers that

Congress makes the laws and appropriates the funds. I assume this sort of ruling could have broader implications for maybe the efforts to close other departments, maybe even the Department of Ed, but I don't know. It could possibly. And remember, this is the same judge who earlier this year also put a nationwide injunction on some spending freezes that the executive branch was trying to do. I think all

I think all of this, and there's so many, as you know, we track all of these different decisions with agencies and people fighting their firings and the freezes on spending. All of this really will come down to next week's arguments at the Supreme Court about nationwide injunctions. It's in the vehicle of this birthright citizenship case.

But we don't really think they're going to be arguing the merits. It's about whether or not a single federal judge, there's six to 700 of them at any time in districts spread across the United States. Can they put a program on hold in a nationwide injunction? So I think that ruling will

will become so much more important than all of these smaller rulings because it will dictate whether or not these judges can reach beyond the parties in front of them, the district geographically that they cover, those kinds of things. I think it's going to be a really important decision from the Supreme Court next week. We've heard Justices Thomas and Gorsuch say, eh,

I'm not sure this is how this is supposed to work. This gives an awful lot of power to a single judge. You've even heard Justice Kagan during the last administration say, yeah, I don't think that people should be able to forum shop and say, oh, it's a Biden policy. Let's go to Texas and try to get it blocked. You know, or it's a Trump policy. Let's go to California and try to get it blocked. So you've got at least three justices who have publicly said they think there's a problem with this. So.

Man, arguments next week. Do they make us wait until end of June, first of July, as they do for the really big decisions? Or because they fast track this case and added it in May, do we get a sooner decision that tells us

Yes or no on whether these single judges can put entire programs like the ones you just mentioned on hold. All right, Shannon. Finally, President Biden was on The View. I guess maybe it was his second interview. But he was asked about Vice President Harris and said he hopes that she stays engaged. He said, I think she's first rate, but we have a lot of really good candidates as well.

As to her answer during the campaign that she wouldn't have done anything differently from him, he defended her and said, look, she was her own person when she was with me. We used to argue like hell. What do we make of some of those insights that the former president is providing about the Democrats, about what he thinks the future of the party looks like?

Well, and maybe he's trying to preserve her political future by giving her a sense of detachment from him. Like, oh, we fought about things all the time, but she was just being loyal to me. I mean, he may be trying to throw her a lifeline to say, we did have differences. She would have done different things, but she was trying to be loyal to me in those waning days. I mean, you...

Everyone who lived through that, every American, everybody was paying attention. It was 100 days of crazy. I mean, it just was the most insane summer last summer when it comes to a presidential election, not the least of which is because of assassination attempts and

A last minute dropout by sitting president, a billion dollars spent by the Democratic nominee to lose all the swing states. I mean, it just was so much chaos. And, you know, maybe in retrospect, President Biden saying, listen, I do think she has a lot of political life ahead of her. And maybe I need to give her the gift of some distance from me.

But I think the party is still trying to figure out what's next. Is it the old guard? Is it the James Carvels? Or is it the David Hoggs? Is it the new progressive group? Is it the squad? I mean, it's just I'm not sure the party has settled on exactly who's leading it and what direction they're going in. So true. Shannon Bream, thank you so much for joining. Jessica, thank you.

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The thousands assembled in St. Peter's Square in Rome saw on Thursday what they had waited many hours for, white smoke from the Sistine Chapel's chimney, indicating that we had a new pope.

A marching band serenaded the crowd as they eagerly awaited learning who that new pontiff would be. The reveal was historic, with an American, Chicago native, Cardinal Robert Prevost, stepping on a balcony overlooking St. Peter's Square, forevermore to be known as Pope Leo XIV.

Among his first words to an enthusiastic crowd through a translator was a wish for his papacy. May we all build bridges with dialogue and encounter.

so that we can all be one people, all in peace. Pope Leo XIV also urged the more than a billion Catholics he now leads to cherish who they are in what is a very uncertain world.

We are disciples of Christ. Christ goes before us. The world needs his light. The last pope to take the name Leo was elected in a conclave 147 years ago. To follow a pope, Francis, who many saw as a groundbreaking leader of the church, Leo XIV gives us much to learn about after the world, and many who are knowledgeable about all this, recover.

from the magnitude of this moment.

He was born and grew up in and around Chicago. Timothy Gabrielli is an associate professor and theologian at the University of Dayton. When he became part of the Augustinian order, which is a religious order within the Catholic Church, he was shortly thereafter sent to Peru to work there. You know, spent about a little more than a decade there before becoming a bishop in Chiclayo, Peru.

So he really has an international perspective. His work when he got to Rome was on the dicastery, the department within the Roman Curia that's in charge of appointing bishops around the world. So that also gives you a rather broad perspective. You know, coming back to America for a moment,

one of the things that pope francis emphasized again and again was that america is one continent you know when he addressed the u.s congress back in 2015 he described himself pope francis did as a son of this continent right and i think pope leo xiv really embodies that he's born in the u.s

but he spent a lot of time in Peru. And when he switched from Italian, in his opening words, he switched from Italian to Spanish, which was interesting, not his native language, but he called out Peru. And I think that was also significant.

You mentioned Pope Francis, and when you follow a pope who many say was groundbreaking, leaves a long shadow. How much influence will this have, can it have, should it have on Pope Leo XIV?

I look to history here a little bit to draw an analogy. In 1958, Angelo Roncalli was elected as Pope John XXIII, and many called him a revolutionary pope. He was a surprise in his election, and he called the Second Vatican Council, which surprised everyone.

And so in many ways, there were parallels between John XXIII in the late 50s, early 60s, and Pope Francis, I think. The pope that followed John XXIII was Pope Paul VI. And Pope Paul VI, I think, carried on a lot of the initiatives of Pope John XXIII, but it was a bit more reserved, a bit more

pensive, a bit more circumspect. I actually think that that parallel is apt. I expect that we'll see with Pope Leo XIV a continual emphasis on those on the margins, on the poor, on the overlooked in society that Pope Francis emphasized again and again on the world stage and to the church.

I think, though, we'll see probably with Pope Leo XIV as someone who maybe was a good listener, but is maybe a little more circumspect, a little more careful and deliberative, maybe a little less surprising. And I think that parallel from John XXIII to Paul VI is maybe instructive for us here. He talked about...

being the light of the world. And he talked about many things that serve to be encouraging to Catholics. What did you take from his words? The most striking thing were his first words were peace. Peace be with you. He went on to repeat peace 10 times. I thought that was really significant. And then he also emphasized in Italian tutti,

everyone. And he repeated everyone. And when he said tutti, he emphasized it, almost kind of bounced out of his shoes. That reminded me of Pope Francis emphasizing everyone. So in a speech that he gave in Spanish, Pope Francis said, todos, todos, todos. The church needs to go to everyone, to be a missionary to everyone. And Leo XIV described himself as

as a missionary, one who wants to bring the gospel to everyone. I thought that was really significant. Let's talk about the conclave, and we've heard so much about how this works, and maybe this isn't the correct term, but the politicking that may go on behind closed doors that we never see in the Vatican as this happens.

Many people, conventional wisdom might say that being an American might have been a strike against him in becoming Pope. So what do you think won the day for him? Well, I think he had a number of supporters heading into the conclave from at least some of the whispers that were coming out of the conversations among the cardinals. I think his experience in Rome, especially

He did a doctorate in Rome, so he spent time there when he was younger, but then in the Vatican administration in the Curia. And I think this global perspective, working with appointing bishops around the world, really aids his understanding of the church in various places. So he has, I think, administrative skills.

I think he's seen as a centrist. I think he's seen as someone who will continue the efforts of Pope Francis, but also is someone who is rooted deeply in canon law and the law of the church. That's his training. So I think he's seen as someone who carries on Francis's legacy, particularly in thinking about the church globally. The church is not just a church of the elite, but

but also one who is very skilled administratively, as I say, understood to be a good listener, someone who probably is very deliberative in his decision-making. I think all those things were probably attractive to the Cardinals.

And I think you're right that being from the U.S. in particular was probably a strike against him, but also remembering that he very much, that he spent his time as a bishop in Peru. And I think he probably remembered

But Pope Leo was thinking about that when he switched from Italian to Spanish in his opening address, not his native language, English. So I think that mix of factors were probably part of the discussion. I do want to pick up on something you just said there just now about his administrative abilities, because what a lot of people, I think, don't remember is

about the Pope is not only is he the leader of more than a billion Catholics around the world, he's also a head of state. That is a difficult dichotomy, I guess, that someone who is elected to be the pontiff has to handle. How difficult is that?

I'm glad I don't know firsthand. Yeah, incredibly difficult, incredibly difficult. It really takes an immense amount of talent to be able to do it. And I think one of the ways in which that head of state role really plays out is in terms of diplomacy. You know, the Pope's role throughout history of being a

in facilitating peace negotiations and in resolving conflicts. So, you know, Pope John XXIII was famously involved in brokering a conversation that ended the Cuban Missile Crisis.

John Paul II's visit back to Poland is associated with the fall of the communist regime there. And so I think it becomes this symbolic role, but also the diplomacy arm of the Vatican City State, having diplomats all over the world,

Being a resource for world powers and leaders to find ways maybe to facilitate dialogue. When you have someone who's perceived as somewhat neutral here, but has connections, that can be a framework in which dialogue can start.

And so I think that diplomatic piece is really important for that side of it. And I think as someone who was thinking about which bishops to appoint around the world quite a bit over the last couple of years, that really helps him understand the dynamics on the ground in the church and all those different places. In the world we live in now with the conflicts that we see, what you just said might serve him well.

I hope it does. Yeah, I think it will. And I keep coming back to those opening words of peace, peace repeated throughout his initial address. What do you think is the most important thing the world will learn about Pope Leo XIV in these next few days?

It, of course, remains to be seen. I think they're going to, my impressions are that they're going to really come to know somebody who's very warm. From all that I've learned about those who have interacted with him, he's a very attentive person. He's the kind of person I gather that when you're speaking with him makes you feel like you're the only person in the world. So I think he's very warm, very attentive person.

very deliberative, very reflective. And I think he's going to bring that warmth of personality that Pope Francis brought with him. And I think he's a very thoughtful person. And I think we'll see that as we get to know him better.

We will learn all of this together as we watch this new papacy begin. Timothy Gabrielli is a theologian and an associate professor at the University of Dayton. Thank you so much for joining us on the Fox News Rundown. It's a real pleasure.

And now, some good news with Tanya J. Powers. A Florida man has earned the title of patriot after jumping in a lake to save a bald eagle. Doug Hay is a self-professed animal lover, so when he recently witnessed one in distress, he was worried. I was in the living room and I heard a crash in the lake and I looked over and it was an eagle. He jumped into action knowing time was of the essence. I ran out because I know they can't swim.

and threw my shirt off and my flip-flops, and I jumped in because I wanted to save it. Doug says he threw his phone to the ground and his wife picked it up and got the whole thing on tape. She was screaming at me. Profanities. Don't go in there. But he just kept going in. She was worried for good reason. Doug says the lake is about 100 yards and the eagle landed smack in the middle of it.

Oh, yeah. And the water is home to a seven-foot alligator. Doug says he was more concerned about saving the bird than running into the gator. He believes the eagle, who was wounded, had gotten into a fight with another eagle that was seen circling the lake. When I got there, I didn't see her because she went under. And then I'm like looking around and she finally bobbed up. And then I grabbed her by the legs with my right hand and started screaming.

doing a dog paddle, you know, sure. He came out with some minor talon injuries after the eagle jumped onto his forearm. The injured eagle was transferred to the Wildlife Center of Southwest Florida, where at last check it's stable but recovering. Wildlife Center officials say that while what Doug did was admirable, it's not recommended for safety reasons. Doug says he's got no regrets. I just wanted to get the eagle to save it, you know, because it's our national symbol.

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Subscribe to this podcast at Fox News Podcasts dot com. It's time for your Fox News commentary. David Marcus. What's on your mind? In 2022, when John Fetterman had a stroke while he was running for his Senate seat, the Democrats and their media allies were insistent that to even question his fitness to serve was ableist and unacceptable. My how times have changed.

This week, New York Magazine, as reliable a Democrat organ as there is, ran a scathing hit piece on Fetterman in which current and former staffers all but suggest that not only should he not be Pennsylvania's senior senator, but he belongs in an assisted living facility.

The piece has no gotcha moment that would make any fair person say that Fetterman needs to step aside, you know, the kind former President Biden provided daily. Rather, it's a collection of anecdotes about him snapping at staff or withdrawing into himself, perhaps not taking his medication. Try as they might, the folks at New York Magazine constructed a molehill, not a mountain. But why, one wonders, two years after waving away similar behavior, is a liberal news outlet suddenly parading the senator's alleged diminished capacities? What changed?

Well, the article itself gives us a big hint with this line, quote, the endless fights over Israel, which saw Fetterman draw further into himself, coincided with the setbacks in his recovery regimen, end quote.

You don't say. Allow me to humbly suggest that this is not, in fact, a coincidence. Fetterman's strong support of Israel, America's ally, and his other recent moderate positions have placed a giant target on the back of his hoodie sweatshirt. Condemning Israel's defense of war against Hamas is just one of the progressive shibboleths that Fetterman refuses to mindlessly repeat. It may be the most important one. After all, according to progressives, he's supporting genocide.

Likewise, his completely sane and rational position that not every utterance of President Donald Trump needs to be met with setting one's hair on fire completely contradicts Democrats' claims that Trump has already begun ushering in autocratic fascism. It's honestly kind of amusing that one of the only Democrats who isn't driven completely insane by Trump is the one they say is mentally unfit.

It's also pretty astounding that this yellow journalism appeared just days after the White House Correspondents' Dinner, where the press gently acknowledged their failure to cover Biden's very real unfitness for the White House. Now they would have us believe that they have seen the errors of their ways, learned their lesson, and are willing and able to expose Fetterman. We're just not supposed to notice that they wanted Biden in office and clearly do not want Fetterman in office.

It's not journalistic bravery to run a bunch of smears from staffers who are angry that their boss refuses to be a card-carrying member of the anti-Trump resistance. It's just a hack job.

The big winner in all this is pretty clearly the Republicans. The more mud that the far left of the Democratic Party hurls at members with common sense ideas like Israel has a right to defend itself or men shouldn't play women's sports, the more wacky and out of touch the party appears to Americans. And the final takeaway that should not be lost regarding this ridiculous hit piece is that it once again shows how impotent the liberal media has become.

Ten years ago, this story could have shaken Capitol Hill to its core, leading to calls for Fetterman to step down. They might have even gotten his smooth scalp, but not anymore. It's just noise now, and nobody knows what, if any of it, is true. Nice try, New York Magazine, but everyone sees right through this, and Senator John Fetterman isn't going anywhere. This is David Marcus, Fox News digital columnist and author of Charade, The COVID Lies That Crushed a Nation.

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