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You'll learn a lot. And for anyone that hasn't subscribed to our Patreon, you're missing out. We've got a lot of new content out there and we're doing video and stuff now, right, Aaron? Yeah, we have a number of videos up and it feels like we're trying to do it every week. It's kind of cool. It's like a let's check in with Justin and Aaron, see what they want to talk about. So you just never know what we're going to be discussing. So Aaron, tonight's case is...
It's kind of a complex one. There's a lot going on here.
We have a family that is either the most unlucky family ever, or there is something afoot here where there's some members that are causing a lot of damage, being influenced by a lot of terrible people. And it's a really heart-wrenching story about greed and manipulation. So what are we talking about tonight?
Tonight we're talking about the January 11th, 1998 death of Barbara Loesch, a widow who lived alone in Post Falls, Idaho. But as you said, there's a lot more to this. Barbara Loesch was married to Gary. They got married July 12th, 1969 in Freeport, California. They had two children, Charles and Tina.
The family ended up moving to Spokane, Washington in 79 and relocated to Post Falls, Idaho in 1986.
Gary worked for Dilley Amusement Co. in Post Falls and had a side job as a delivery man for the Idaho Spokesman Review. And on November 13th of 1995, Gary Loesch was murdered while completing his early morning newspaper route.
And it was a very sparsely populated neighborhood outside the Post Falls city limits. So Gary is a paper man and apparently somebody shot him, right? Yeah. So the authorities believe that he was killed around 3.30 in the morning. And around 7 a.m., deputies responded to a report of a suspicious vehicle on a gravel side road. And the couple who reported the vehicle said they heard a gunshot a few hours earlier and
followed by the sound of a vehicle speeding away. Now, this is strange that they waited hours, but I guess it's one of those things that it doesn't really set in right away. You know, sometimes we make up excuses in our minds for what we heard. Maybe it was just a vehicle that backfired, but now they're thinking, no, that's a gunshot.
So residents in the area were familiar with Gary's vehicle because he'd been the paper guy there for about three years. The residents who heard the gunshot saw that Gary's vehicle was still there hours later. So that's when they put it together and said, this might be bad. They called 911.
Again, the cliche, small town. Everybody knows everybody, so they know that this is Gary and they're like, something happened here. He was shot. He died from a single close-range gunshot wound to the head. He was shot from the driver's side window. His window was rolled down and the headlights were still on. And he was found near three newspaper boxes. So obviously he's just...
just going about his morning route and somebody targeted him. Whether or not this was a robbery gone wrong or a targeted hit, it's unknown to the police at this point. Yeah, it sounds like it was a surprise to Gary.
The Kootenai County Sheriff's Office withheld information about this crime and about the murder weapon. Chuck Loesch, Barbara's son, and Randy Loesch, Gary's brother, were two early suspects because they arrived at that crime scene shortly after the police did. So, of course, the police are wondering, you're here awfully fast. Why are you here? You know?
Yeah. You know, again, I hate to keep reiterating, but it's a small town. People hear about this stuff. It spreads. And when family members are like, what? Something happened to my family member? I'm going to check on it. But at the same time, who is normally the suspect in any murder case? Well, it's people you know. It's usually not some random stranger danger situation. It's somebody you know. And family members might have a motive.
Yeah, so Chuck, obviously, they were questioning why he would be there so quickly, but apparently he knew the route that his dad took. And when he heard about what had happened, he immediately worried that this was about his dad. So, of course, the authorities, they find some evidence, discarded cigarette butts at the scene, and they test them.
And they discover that there's no way that Chuck or Gary could have left these cigarette butts because the DNA that came back was female. You know, it's interesting because I always just assume if you're going to commit a crime, if you're going to go somewhere and do something, you're planning this. Why are you smoking? Why are you leaving cigarette butts? But thank God for stupid criminals. I think old habits die hard, Justin.
So the Spokesman Review posted a $5,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the killer. Circulation manager Bob Thomas said he believed it was a random act of violence and Gary was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. And they didn't have any leads besides the cigarette butts with DNA that didn't match anybody. So this case goes cold.
And this is a sad situation for this family. They've lost a father, they've lost a brother, and this just seems to be a random shooting.
Less than three years later, 52-year-old Barbara Loesch was found dead in her hot tub on her back porch. This was January 11th, 1998. Her family hadn't been able to reach her for several days, and they ended up calling the police to do a welfare check. Randy Loesch and his wife Laura came to the house to check on Barbara, and Randy noticed immediately that the back door was open even before they called the police.
This is a pretty horrifying scene, but they find Barbara floating alongside a large TV set in her hot tub. And this is, you know, the late 90s. So this is before the flat screens. These are probably large tube TVs. And they assume that this TV fell in and electrocuted her.
Barbara's death was considered suspicious from the beginning because either A, it's an accident or B, it's intentional. But did she do it to take her own life or did somebody else do this? And this is the angle of the investigation is how did this happen? But it's obviously suspicious because this doesn't just, you know, they didn't have the TV mounted on the wall and it fell into the hot tub. It's like somebody had to have placed this TV into the hot tub with her.
Yeah, the other thing was this TV had been plugged into a 25-foot extension cord from the garage, but that cord was not plugged in. Now, Barbara, it was understood that she had depression. She also had medical issues. So there's this idea that maybe she experienced a medical emergency and died before she could plug the TV in. Another theory was that someone else had electrocuted Barbara and unplugged the TV afterwards.
Which makes more sense, because I don't know if dropping an unplugged television into a hot tub would... I know there's transistors and capacitors, but I don't think there's enough juice there to do much. So, yeah, I think it had to have been plugged in. Yeah, I think it's really strange that if you were to try and kill Barbara with a TV, then you'd think you'd leave it plugged in. Why would you even bother touching anything again?
But that's just a theory. So, of course, with Barbara's death, the news starts running around that she is the widow of Gary Loesch, the very guy who had been murdered on his paper route. So, of course, the police, they don't really want to discuss this too much with the media. They just wanted to say that Barbara's death seemed suspicious. But, of course, at this point, they can't really figure out, is it foul play?
Well, they're going to do an autopsy January 14th. And the autopsy says no evidence of foul play. And Barbara's body was too decomposed for a toxicology test. There were no obvious injuries or marks on her body. But again, it's the scenario. It's the situation that we find her in. Not exactly any other evidence to...
To me, so I'm thinking it's either suicide or somebody murdered her.
The medical examiner listed her cause of death as undetermined, but suggested a possible accidental drowning. Now, this is going to be important going forward. Just remember that it's understood that she may have drowned, which is very different from the TV causing any issues. Randy Loesch, though, he kind of showed up as a red flag for detectives because he didn't want to go into the house until Officer Greg McLean went with him. And
Of course, Officer McLean is thinking, why is he wanting to wait until I go with him? But I think that's actually a smart thing. You don't want to go into a scene and then later be accused of doing anything when you could go with an officer and, you know, in other words, why cause yourself additional headache? We see so many cases where people jump onto a loved one who's been murdered or whatever, and they get mixed in with the blood. They destroy evidence, affect evidence, conspiration.
contamination. This is actually a good call by Randy. I agree. Because this can be used against you or, I mean, in this case, it's definitely being used against him. It's saying, hey, you didn't want to go in there until the officer's with you. So that shows that you want the officer to corroborate, oh, this is this thing we found, whatever. But
I'm with Randy here. I'm like, no, no, I don't want to go in there and taint the scene, leave my DNA or hair follicle or anything. I don't want to be involved with this. So you go in and I will identify the body. I will be helpful, but you go in first because I don't want there to be any contamination. I don't want, in fact, I don't even know if I'd want to go in and see a dead family member. I mean, that's pretty traumatic in itself. So
Yeah. And again, if you don't recall, Randy is Gary's brother and he's denying any involvement in Barbara's death. Now, Detective Brad Maskell, who investigated Gary's murder, told Oxygen that Barbara was the beneficiary of Gary's estate. But Randy had borrowed money from Barbara. And so the idea was, well, he doesn't have to pay that back if she's gone, if she's dead.
Investigators for Gary's case now join the investigators on Barbara's case. You have two deaths, husband and wife, and they're thinking, can we link these two together? Even though they're separated by years, they're thinking there might be something more to this because one was absolutely foul play. The other one is extremely suspicious. So
They now are focused on Barbara's daughter, Tina Loesch, and she's described as a troubled young mother. Tina has a son named Christopher Charles Loesch, who was born August 30th, 1990. Tina had been in and out of jail for check fraud, and she repeatedly rescheduled her police interviews and eventually got a lawyer when they tried to question her about her mother's death.
So she's being very elusive and not cooperative. So investigators are saying, well, the other family members are talking to us. Tina, she's out of the picture.
Yeah, now Chuck Loesch recalled that Tina did come to the house briefly after Barbara died. He described her as being sad but indifferent, and her refusal to do an interview raised red flags for him. Now, Barbara was not doing well financially at the time of her death, despite receiving money after Gary died. Barbara was not doing well financially because she was very generous with her money. In addition to loaning money to Randy, she would give large sums of money to Tina.
So this is showing her generosity. This is showing that she wants to help other people and any settlement she got has been spent. So they're trying to figure out what would be the motivation here if she doesn't have a lot of money, who wants to kill her and why. Investigators also learned that Tina met a woman named Skye Hansen at the old Idaho penitentiary in Boise.
And the two were romantic partners. Skye was known to the police for being involved in drug manufacturing and dealing. So this is not a great influence for Tina. After the women were released from jail, they started a home renovation business together and asked Barbara for money to start this business.
Gary did not approve of Tina being in a relationship with a woman so much that he changed his will and left Tina $1 as kind of a screw you, I don't agree with you.
Barbara obviously struggled over the rift between her husband and the daughter, but Barbara was still supportive of Tina. And Tina appeared to be trying to get closer to her mother after her father's death. And Barbara ended up giving her over $100,000 for her new startup business. So I don't think it's that weird that a daughter would become closer to their mother after a death in the family. They would come together.
But Barbara is floating the bill for everything that Tina is planning on doing. Yeah. And if Gary was that upset with Tina, then once he's gone now, maybe it feels like Tina can go visit her mother more often.
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Now, Skye made money by purchasing fixer-uppers and renting them out when they were repaired. Eight months before she died, Barbara took out a $530,000 life insurance policy and listed her daughter Tina as the beneficiary. Tina would get the money as long as Barbara's death was ruled an accident or due to natural causes. So we do have what appears to be an accident here, right?
Potentially, right? I mean, if the TV fell in and killed Barbara, then that would be an accident. But in a 2008 article, Spokesman Review reported that Tina took out a $525,000 life insurance policy on her mother and named herself the beneficiary. But there's a problem here with all of this insurance. Yeah, I'm sure the insurance companies don't want to pay out, right? They're kind of fighting it.
Well, the undetermined ruling on the autopsy of Barbara Loesch prevented Tina from getting the insurance payout. However, Tina and her attorney got Barbara's cause of death changed to accidental drowning based on what the pathologist said in the autopsy report. See, now we're going back to she drowned. Yeah, this wasn't electrocution. This was a drowning. It changes everything.
because you're leaving out the whole TV part. So Tina gets her insurance payout, and then she and Skye and her son Christopher take off. They were last seen loading an RV up in the Clarkston area in October of 1999, and no one had seen or heard from them since. And of course, the police are concerned about Christopher, so they say they're focused on finding the couple.
You could say this is suspicious behavior because they just get up and leave, but maybe they're starting their new life together because they got this large payout and they have their dreams and aspirations. But in August of 2002, a man named Bradley Steckman, convicted of an unrelated murder case in Washington, made a deal for leniency. He claimed he was involved in the murders of Barbara and Gary Loesch.
Now, Stechman was once employed by Skye Hansen at that renovation company where they would flip houses, so he has a connection to them. On July 21st, 1996, 89-year-old Dorothy Martin was found dead in her bed inside her condo in Pullman, Washington. She had a towel wrapped around her head, and her cause of death was ruled asphyxiation.
Dorothy was originally from Butte, Montana. She had been a widow since 1974, but had many friends and was active in her local Jewish community. Dorothy's three-carat diamond ring, camera, and radio were all missing. There were no signs of a break-in, and little had been disturbed.
So this is what Bradley Stackman has been convicted of or is being investigated for when he starts trying to make pleas for, hey, I have information on other murders. Give me leniency. Yeah, the police believe that a set of keys were taken from the manager's apartment just across the hall and was used to gain access.
Bradley Stechman became a suspect in September of 1999 after Anita Stechman told the Pullman police that she believed her ex-husband was responsible for the crime. They were divorced at the time of the murder, but were still living together. And Anita told officers that Skye Hansen offered Stechman $1,000 to steal Dorothy's diamond ring.
Before the murder, Anita went to Dorothy's condo with Stechman and tried to break through a window unsuccessfully. So this is obviously not really a questioning worth. There's someone who was there and can give witness testimony as to some deal coming together for Bradley Stechman to cause Dorothy harm.
Before Skye Hansen disappeared, she told investigators Dorothy hired her to install closet organizers and refinish a table. She said she was familiar with her residence and security measures. Stechman said that in the summer of 1996, he cased the place for Hansen. He indicated to his ex-wife that he struggled with Dorothy and held a pillow over her face.
So now you see where Skye is being drawn into this plan. At least for authorities, because at this point they had no idea of any involvement. So authorities, they end up finding a bent butter knife and a radio amongst Deckman's belongings, which obviously is evidence of his involvement.
A jeweler in the Clarkston area believed he had the diamonds from Dorothy's missing ring. Back in 96, Skye Hansen brought a sack of loose stones for appraisal. The jeweler thought they resembled the picture of Dorothy's ring. He thought they were connected.
Additionally, Pullman Police previously said they searched Tina and Skye's home in Clarkson and found evidence relating to the murder of Dorothy Martin buried in the basement. But they're long gone, and they might not have known this is related to it, but they found stuff there. And now looking back, they're like, ah, a little head scratcher here. We're putting it together.
So February 8th, 2001, Whitman County prosecutors filed robbery and first degree murder charges against Bradley Stechman and issued a warrant for his arrest. Stechman had already been incarcerated at the Airway Heights Correctional Center for two years for a robbery charge that he was serving out.
On July 19th of 2001, Bradley Stechman pleaded guilty to second-degree murder, and he would end up being sentenced to 18 years in prison. So, witnesses suggested Stechman was involved in the death of Barbara Loesch. So, Pullman authorities passed the information off to the Post Falls detectives, who visited Stechman around six times to interview him and
and get him to talk about if he was involved with anything else, especially Barbara's murder. Because now the investigators are like, there's too many coincidences here. There's too many connections. And we think that you are the key man putting this all together. Stechman ended up confessing in August of 2002, and investigators looked into verifying details from his statement.
According to Stechman, he said the murder was part of a scheme to get Barbara's $500,000 life insurance policy, of which Tina obviously was the beneficiary. According to Stechman, on the night Barbara was killed, he and Tina went to her home in Post Falls. Tina told Barbara their car broke down and they needed to stay with her. And Stechman said that Barbara used the hot tub because of a medical issue. They planned for Stechman to trip and push the TV into the water.
Stechman claimed that he lured Barbara into the hot tub to watch TV. He tweaked her TV set to deliver maximum amps by sticking a pencil into the back to bypass all the safeguards that the TVs had back then.
He asked his accomplice to add sea salt to the hot tub to make it more conductive. So this is a lot of planning going on here. It's taking out things on the TV and putting salt into the hot tub. He said that Tina plugged in the extension cord so he could knock the TV into the hot tub.
The electrocution caused Barbara to lose consciousness but did not kill her. Earlier articles state that Stechman held Barbara's head underwater for more than two minutes. However, Oxygen says that Tina held her mother's head underwater. So it doesn't really matter. They're both there. They both planned this. So I don't really care which one held her head underwater. But this shows how she drowned. Yeah.
Exactly. They electrocuted her to incapacitate her and then held her underwater.
It's said that Tina fell apart on the way back home, crying and vomiting. Sky Hansen drove to Post Falls to make sure things were done right. Stechman also admitted that he scoped out Gary Loesch's paper route for Sky Hansen, but he maintained he didn't fire the fatal shot, which I find interesting because he's coming clean on a lot of things, but he's maintaining that while he scoped out this paper route, he's not the one who murdered Gary Loesch.
Which is weird because who did if it wasn't him? So Stechman admits that he was promised $10,000 for the killing of Barbara and cooperated with the police because they never paid him. Imagine that. $10,000, kill my mom. Yeah, and now we're going to skip town.
Yeah. So do you have any doubts really about who killed Gary Loesch? I mean, are you saying you think he may have still done it even though he's not admitting?
I know it's just opinion, but. Yeah. I, I would just assume that Stechman would say Tina did it, or, you know, I was with another man who did it, but he just says, I cased his route and I helped, but I just think, well, who ended up killing him? I just would assume if Tina or anyone else had done it, he would have just said that. But the fact that he's not giving a name,
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May 15, 2003, the Post Falls Police asked prosecutors to file first-degree murder charges against Stechman for the death of Barbara Loesch. And in the following year, in March, Stechman waived a presentation of evidence at a preliminary hearing to get to sentencing after agreeing to plead guilty to murdering Barbara.
He would receive a life sentence with parole eligibility after 15 years to run concurrent with his sentence in Washington, which means he would be eligible for parole in 2016. Stechman ended up being sentenced July 6, 2004. Which, that seems like a light sentence to me. What do you think?
I don't know. I don't know if it's possibly just all the cooperation. I mean, he did divulge a lot. And of course, with all this new information, Kootenai County reopened the investigation into Gary's murder. But that didn't get to progress forward like they wanted because prosecutors were trying to work out this plea deal with Stechman. And prosecutors said this deal came together because
Without Stechman's confession, the state really didn't have enough to solve Barbara's murder.
So detective Greg McLean said he believed Tina was dead and wondered if Christopher was also dead because they haven't seen Tina or her son. You know, all of these people have just disappeared. You know, they're not being arrested anywhere. This whole murder plot is unfolding. You would think they would mess up. I mean, I just, to put it simply, when you're on the run, when you're fleeing, you're
And your life is kind of a mess. You're going to get pulled over at some point. You're going to mess up at some point. So these detectives are saying, well, they're off the grid now. So they've either taken on new identities or we think that they're dead.
So the authorities start looking at national databases for missing children, and they put Tina's dental records on a national database, hoping she could be matched to a Jane Doe. In late May of 2006, the Post Falls Police named Tina Loesch and Skye Hansen persons of interest in Barbara's murder based on the information gained from Bradley Stechman.
Stechman was labeled a co-conspirator, so his testimony was not allowed in court. This is what made it difficult to get warrants for the women. This case stalled until Detective Greg McLean decided to reopen the investigation.
Yeah. You know, there's rumors or beliefs that these women have left the country. Authorities learned that Tina signed over her entire life insurance payment to Skye Hansen. So that was another reason why Detective Greg McLean was wondering if Tina was even still alive, because Skye...
Might be the bad influence here. And if Tina has signed over everything to her, well, now Sky has the motivation or the motives to take Tina out. Yeah. And if we believe the story about Tina getting sick and vomiting after the crime, then maybe this is Sky who's behind it all because maybe she's comfortable with all of this.
There was a 55-year-old man named Steve Castle who was an acquaintance of these women, and he was indicted on federal charges of illegal money transaction. The police suspected him of sending money to these women. So he's now a person of interest. He has now been tied into this case. His indictment was later dismissed in March of 2007.
But authorities learned that Castle and his wife, defense attorney Julie Tyford, had Christopher living with them from 1999 to 2000. So this is weird that Tina would kind of give up her son for a little while for them to watch. I guess it's when you're on the run, you have to do what you got to do, right?
Yeah, it's really not understood, but this was the attorney who helped Tina get her life insurance money. And they know that Christopher was enrolled at a local elementary school in the Spokane area under the alias Christopher Robinson. And according to Detective Greg McLean, he just didn't show up for school one day and his transcripts have never been forwarded. This is the kind of thing that causes an officer or a detective to worry because they
It's obvious that if the kid stops going to school and transcripts aren't forwarded, that means he's not being enrolled anywhere else. So this couple, they deny knowing anything about Christopher's whereabouts. But according to witnesses, Sky Hansen's vehicle was seen in their garage.
So it's October of 2008. First-degree murder warrants for the death of Barbara Loesch were issued against Tina Loesch and Skye Hansen. I think they have enough information here, enough evidence here to know that they're all involved. Skye Hansen was the main suspect in Barbara's death, and authorities considered Tina just a player.
And that's kind of scary now because if Skye has been able to manipulate Tina into killing her own mother and possibly father, I mean, there's a lot going on here.
Well, this case breaks open after Detective Paul Farina contacted America's Most Wanted about featuring the case on national television. The detectives were trying to get warrants because they were at a dead end and they weren't getting any help from the government. So they needed America's Most Wanted's help. Well, they did.
An episode aired on the case, November 15th, 2008. And apparently Tina and Sky saw a commercial for the show talking about, you know, that they were going to be covered on it. And they told an acquaintance they would rather die than go back to prison.
And tragically, less than three hours later, Tina Loesch and Skye Hansen were found dead in Pima County, Arizona. After the segment aired, America's Most Wanted received over 50 tips from all over the country, but only one from Arizona. A motorist saw the two bodies in a vehicle at around 11.30 p.m. It appears it was a murder-suicide. Tina was holding the gun.
Now, the woman left behind an eight-page suicide note that offered insight into the murder of Barbara Loesch, but did not mention Tina's son, Christopher. Tina and Skye had lived in Arizona for at least eight years, and Post Falls Police Chief Cliff Hayes said they made a living doing remodeling and construction work.
Hansen also did landscaping work. So Tina was known as Katie and Sky was known as Dawn. There was no record of them changing their last names. Post Falls authorities knew Christopher was in the Tucson area late 1999, obviously living with the attorney couple. Tina told friends and family she sent Christopher to live with his father in Washington due to behavioral problems.
But as we know, that was a lie.
Tina and Sky lived in a home in Tucson until October of 2008. They moved to temporary housing for a home renovation. But after their deaths, the police searched their home and found all their belongings boxed up. There were hundreds of dryer sheets under the boxes, which indicated they were trying to conceal some type of odor. The police dug up the home but found no human remains. And they're just...
wondering where is Christopher Loesch and he would be 18 in 2008 but you know we know his last whereabouts essentially in 2000 because he was living with the other couple but because they've been on the run they've disappeared for eight years now nobody knows where Christopher is
You know, the authorities, they're saying Christopher isn't wanted for any crime, but they want to locate him because they're worried about him. And Tina and Sky were reportedly last seen with him in Spokane on August 31st, 2000. That's the last time they feel they can say that he was around.
Christopher Loesch is still missing. If he was alive today, he would be 34 years old. He's described as a Caucasian male with brown hair and blue eyes. He may use the alias Christopher Robinson, Robin Kessler, or Christopher Hansen. And if you have any information about Christopher Loesch, you should call the Pima County Sheriff's Department cold case detectives. They can be found at 530-625-4000.
520-351-3486 or 888-CRIME to remain anonymous. And to this day, the murder of Gary Loesch is still considered a cold case.
And I think it's only a cold case because Stechman didn't give them enough information. I think we know what happened now because we have the murder of Barbara, which was well-planned by Skye, Tina, and Stechman. And Stechman admitted to plotting out Gary's paper route that morning. I don't understand how they haven't gotten any further on that. I mean...
Obviously, if somebody else was involved, then they would need to find out. They would need to see if there was anyone else that was the trigger man. And sadly, Tina and Sky are now gone. But I don't know. I think they have the answers on Gary Loesch's case. It's just not enough to do a conviction even post after the fact.
Well, it wouldn't really surprise me if we took a poll of detectives. I'm sure many would say we have cold cases where we believe we know what happened. We just can't connect all the dots. And that's the frustrating part of detective work is...
You can't always get to, you know, from A to Z. You can do it in your mind, but to prove it in a court of law to show the public they have it all figured out and can back that up, that's a whole different thing. So it does feel like they gave this a go, but as you said, it feels like Stechman withheld just enough. He probably knows more.
But according to detectives, they all theorized that Skye Hansen was the, I guess, the brains, the one that plotted all of this. She's the one that got Tina to go along with it. But if she was capable of having both her father and her mother murdered and being involved with her own mother's murder,
I get that Sky can be a very manipulative person, but I just wonder, you know, I can't just leave Tina out of this. I think that she obviously was agreeable and thought, yeah, I want the money too. And we'll live happily ever after once I get this money. I guess a lot of emphasis has always been put on Sky, whereas I definitely feel they're both culpable people.
equally. And the fact that Christopher has never been found, and there is some evidence with the dryer sheets that they were trying to cover up an odor. I wonder if she thought, we have to get rid of my own son so he doesn't talk, so he doesn't tell anybody.
Yeah. I mean, think about his age at the time. There's a lot here. And I like that you're bringing up that Tina is very culpable because it would be easy to say, well, she wasn't the ringleader. Well, that doesn't matter. Just because she wasn't comfortable with every step, it doesn't mean she's not culpable because what did she do? She stayed with Sky and continued to plot and be involved in these nefarious deeds. So it
It's quite obvious that no matter who the ringleader is, you still have people that were doing awful things and Tina's one of them. And the question would be is what happened to Christopher? Unfortunately, because of the way Tina was conducting her life and putting Sky first, maybe their life together first, it appears that maybe Christopher fell victim to this as well because he would have been in the way.
So let us know what you think. Have you heard of this case before? Or do you have any theories as to what happened regarding the murder of Gary Loesch? Who do you think actually killed him? And with Christopher, do you think he's potentially still alive and just isn't aware of who he really is or his importance to the authorities? If they could get a hold of him, I'm sure they could learn even more about what had been going on with Tina and Skye. ♪
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