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For decades, the mafia had New York City in a stranglehold, with law enforcement seemingly powerless to intervene. It uses terror to extort people. But the murder of Carmichael Ante marked the beginning of the end. It sent the message that we can prosecute these people. Listen to Law & Order Criminal Justice System on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Meet the real woman behind the tabloid headlines in a personal podcast that delves into the life of the notorious Tori Spelling as she takes us through the ups and downs of her sometimes glamorous, sometimes chaotic life in marriage. I just filed for divorce. Whoa. I said the words that I've said like in my head for like 16 years.

Wild. Listen to Miss Spelling on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Kay hasn't heard from her sister in seven years. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. What was that? That was live audio of a woman's nightmare. Can Kay trust her sister, or is history repeating itself? There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing. They're just dreams.

Welcome to Cheaters and Backstabbers. I'm Shadi Diaz. And I'm Kate Robards. And we are New York City stand-up comedians and best friends. And we love a good cheating and backstabbing story. Welcome.

So this is a series where our guests reveal their most shocking cheating stories. Join us as we learn how to avoid getting our hearts broken or our backs slashed. Listen to Cheaters and Backstabbers on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm Angie Martinez, and on my podcast, I like to talk to everyone from Hall of Fame athletes to iconic musicians about getting real on some of the complications and challenges of real life.

I had the best dad and I had the best memories and the greatest experience. And that's all I want for my kids as long as they can have that. Listen to Angie Martinez IRL on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Episode five here on HOH.

Fry, BK, go for it. Dream Sorcerer. Dream Sorcerer, let's hear it. Written by Constance Burge. Nightmares are taken to a whole new level when a mad scientist murders women in their slumber. But when the sleepy serial killer comes for Prue. Can I direct you for one second and just ask you to read it normal? Let's start that again.

I was trying to do it like the guy in the show. Yeah, no, just read it normal. No, no, no. I was like, oh, let me be the dream sorcerer guy. We're teaching now. Take a page out of John Cho's notes about Holly. Simple. All right, why don't you give it a go? No, no, no. This is on you now. This is you. Come on, BK, you got this. Just say it normal. Okay, dream sorcerer. Nightmares are taken to a whole new level when a mad scientist murders women in their slumber.

But when the sleepy serial killer comes for Prue, she uses her powers to slay the mere mortal in his own dream. Meanwhile, Piper and Phoebe cast a love spell that backfires big time, causing the lonely sisters to regret conjuring a love connection.

Okay, that was better, but I'm still going to ask you to do it one more time. I don't want to do it anymore. You have to. You've made me self-conscious about it. You don't like my first choice. You have to. Drew's interrupting me on the second choice. I didn't say anything the second time. Think of this as an acting exercise. Acting? I'm reading. I know, but how you read is sometimes acting. Just read it normal. Okay, then everybody hush. Okay. Okay, fine. Okay, dream sorcerer.

Don't lower your voice like that. That's me. That's my sleepy in bed dream sorcerer voice. Just be a dream sorcerer. Just say it normal. That's not as sexy. You're perfect, dude. Don't ever change. Your dream sorcerer is not sexy either. No, but when you say dream.

Yeah, that's not sexy. That's like creepy. Yeah, you could do it in a British accent. Do that. Oh, no, I can't do that. But your dentures, your teeth are falling out. What will Rex Buckland ever say? Rex Buckland. Rex Buckland. See? That'd be a good dream sorcerer one. All right, do we need it again? Yeah, just for shits and giggles. This is content, baby. You're crushing. Oh.

I'm loving this. Take three. This is the gold. This is the gold that we mine.

Okay, action. Do I look sweaty? No. Do you look handsome? Do you want a touch-up? Oh, God, yeah. Dream sorcerer. Nightmares are taken to a whole new level when a mad scientist murders women in their slumber. But when the sleepy serial killer comes for Prue...

She uses her powers to slay the mere mortal in his own dream. Meanwhile, people... People...

The one name to mess up. Peeper and Fiebe. Peeper. He's still mad about John Cho. It's literally a lick later. He was a dead man. Oh my God. Sorry. Who are you? Okay. Dream Sorcerer.

Drew. Stop. Can we leave Drew and Holly for a second just to let Brian get through this? Thanks, Shannon. Sure. You're welcome. Go, Brian. Dream source. No pressure. Nightmares are taken to a whole new level when a mad scientist murders women in their slumber.

But when the sleepy serial killer comes for Prue, she uses her powers to slay the mere mortal in his own dream. Meanwhile, Piper and Phoebe cast a love spell that backfires big time, causing the lonely sisters to regret conjuring a love connection. Okay, better. It's doable. It's playable. Yeah, that one's playable. I'll work with you later on all this. Thanks.

You know, I love directing. Dream sorcerer. I'd love to do one in the dreamy sorcerer voice. Can you do that? Just give me like one sentence so I can hear what that sounds like. Sure. Meanwhile, Piper and Phoebe cast a love spell that backfires big time.

causing the lonely sisters okay moving on cut and moving on okay yeah no it's terrible it's like when you it's like when you go a mad scientist murders women in their slumber and they're like why not just read it like when a mad scientist murders women in their slumber because nobody says slumber all right it's it's like watching you know when you say murder that's not interesting

But I love you. You're great. Murder. You're adding a whole other dimension. It's murder has four syllables. Yeah. And I never thought of it like that. So thank you for educating me. And there you go. I appreciate that. You have a great voice, man. I feel like the untapped potential is...

There's an anime out there just dying for you to say dream sorcerer. Okay, so episode recap. We are at Quake at Piper's

restaurant that she runs, that she owns. Like you seem to, it seemed to just be dumped in your lap and now it's all yours, right? Apparently. It starts with these really, we come in real hot with like some of the worst pickup lines in the history of the game. Like dudes are just firing lines. Those definitely came from Brad Kern. Has those ever worked? What lines do we start like with? No.

Did you fall from the sky or something like that? Baby, you da bomb. You da bomb. Was that not after this bow was cast? No. That's literally the opening, like right away opening. It just starts with bad pickup lines. But Constance wrote this and Constance doesn't do that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They came from Brad for sure. Did Brad do a rewrite on it? He did a polish for sure.

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For decades, the mafia had New York City in a stranglehold, with law enforcement seemingly powerless to intervene. It uses terror to extort people. But the murder of Carmichael Ante marked the beginning of the end, sparking a chain of events that would ultimately dismantle the most powerful crime organization in American history. It sent the message to them that we can prosecute these people.

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I don't think he knew how big it would be, how big the life I was given and live is today.

I think he was like, oh, yeah, things come and go. But with me, it never came and went. Is she Donna Martin or a down-and-out divorcee? Is she living in Beverly Hills or a trailer park? In a town where the lines are blurred, Tori is finally going to clear the air in the podcast Misspelling. When a woman has nothing to lose, she has everything to gain. I just filed for divorce. Whoa. I said the words.

that I've said like in my head for like 16 years. Wild. Listen to Misspelling on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session, 24 hours. BPM 110, 120, 120.

She's terrified. Should we wake her up? Absolutely not. What was that? You didn't figure it out? I think I need to hear you say it. That was live audio of a woman's nightmare. This machine is approved and everything? You're allowed to be doing this? We passed the review board a year ago. We're not hurting people. There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing. They're just dreams. Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television, iHeartRadio, and Realm.

Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so we're in Quake and a handsome stranger in a wheelchair named Whitaker gets rejected apparently by me and a waitress named Skye Russell. And then it cuts to like being in Skye's apartment later that night and Whitaker actually visits Skye in a creepy dream.

And the next morning she is found dead. Like the, the dream is, I thought the dream was actually really cool because he sort of, you know, romances her in a way and then pushes her off this really tall building. And you see her, you know, falling what appears to be hundreds of stories. And you're like, well, yeah, but it's a dream. So what does this really matter? But then you,

she doesn't wake up and her body, like all of her bones are crushed as if she'd been thrown off of a incredibly high building. Right. Yes. Somebody's paying attention right now. Drew's going to need a blank slate right now. I'm like...

I think we've... Did you watch the episode? I think we've skipped a very important part where Prue refuses the Chardonnay from the wheelchair-bound suitor. Well, I said Prue rejects him. No, but you reject him because you're seeing someone. Seeing someone.

who's apparently now full-fledged, maybe I'll go to the spa with him person. BF. BF name, Andy Trudeau. You know, I like to skip over that because again, like it's too fast forward. Like the last episode, they saw each other at Prue's surprise party and like kind of waved like,

He's just hanging out. Yeah. This relationship really develops off camera. Well, what's interesting though in this opening bit is like the girls are also complaining about being single. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We're getting there. Do we, should we have Dorian come in now? It's always a good time for Dorian.

There he is. Hi. There he is. Hello. Hi. Hello. Bundle of joy. Shannon, Drew, Brian, Holly. What's happening? What's happening? What's up, man? Good to see you. We should have had Dorian do the synopsis because he's the full-fledged voiceover actor. Yes, there you are. Yeah, you are.

I just, I can't even, I have to take a moment because every time my heart starts to race when I see you guys, I love you. And Shannon, it's just so awesome to see you. And I just, there it is. That's it. That's all. That's it. So my moment is gone. There it is. I know we've missed you. We need another Paris trip or something, right? I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. So this is going to be fun, Dorian, because I had a lot of questions about you and Andy. Yeah.

You and me both, right? Right. You know, watching it back, because I never watched it before. So actually watching it, I'm like, ew, like Andy's kind of a stalker and like their relationship doesn't really work. What I did love watching it now is like,

Yours and T.W.'s chemistry on camera was really good. Like, you guys actually had something that worked as, you know, two detectives who were partners that hung out and that actually had a connection. Whereas T.W. and I, there was no connection just because they didn't build the relationship at all. You know, I...

I go back to a note that I think I talked about previously where I made sure to try to be a little light and try to, which is part of what a connection is, is the familiarity. And, you know, it was, there were times where I don't know if there was that same, what I'm trying to, trying to find the words. We were on the same page of that. We're partners. And, yeah,

There's a humanity about that. There's a human being behind that versus what's on the page. And I didn't feel that as much as I would have liked to. But Aaron, in that first note that was given to me, as far as this goes beyond the job, your two individuals and your two human beings and your friends,

And so I, you know, it was, it was an interesting navigation as far as trying to,

have that lightness in the relationship as well as being immersed in what this was in this world of things that we could not understand, could not explain, did not expect. And but there's still two human beings in there and in times of crisis. And when you're faced in that, there's going to be that element in there as far as how you balance that. And so, you know, I don't have a good answer for that. He was kind of a there was

A lot of it was very straightforward and I didn't see enough levels in that dynamic that I would have liked. I understand that. I will say, though, that I think you brought a lot of different levels into it because you did bring...

the lightness you did bring the like, Hey, but I've known you forever. Like I know when you're an asshole, I know when you're, you know, taking things too far. Like I know when you're not paying attention to your job and you're paying too much attention to the girl. Like there was enough of that. And to where, I'm going to be brutally honest. Like when we, when we were filming and you guys had scenes together, I was always like,

God, is this like working? Like, it just doesn't seem like they work together. And then watching it, I was like, holy crap, that relationship really worked. Like, it was really good on camera. So yeah, kudos to you, because I think you did a great job.

I thank you for saying that. I think it worked in totality. This relationship was this synergy of what you guys were navigating through and Brian and Drew and everybody as we progressed on in their contribution to this mainline story. And that helped because that scene was never just about two people. It was about what was happening in totality. And you guys really made that work.

And gave me something to feed off of constantly, whether you were in the scene or not. Because if you were there, if you weren't there, the scene was still about you. Because that scene was what you guys were navigating through. And we were working in partnership to try to find some type of elevated relationship to resolve this mysterious thing that we were all adapting to. Very, very intelligently said, by the way. Thank you. Appreciate that.

I have to state this. I don't ever watch my work. And watching you guys again and the very specific things that each one of you brought as far as who you are at the core of character.

And I have, I can't say enough about how I feel about Holly and how I feel about you and your specificity and your commitment to truth. And early on, we're talking about first season, fifth episode.

And when I was watching, you know, the scenes and the little subtleties that you are connected with, but when you watch closely from an artistic standpoint, as far as the truth you brought when this guy came up and how you felt about

and your whole navigation and connectedness and the nuances with your sisters and how you related to them and how you guys were still trying to figure that out. But you saw history there. It felt like you guys had true history and it felt like this such close relationship and you guys were so specific and separate in your identity. And watching the craft of that, I so enjoyed.

No. Well, we thank you. We thank you a lot. I actually wasn't going in with very high expectations because like Drew had mentioned that he didn't really like this episode. Now he likes it. And I watched it and I was like, I really liked it. I thought that there was really sort of interesting things happening in it. And I think everything with the sisters. Anyway, we have to do the recap, but

I did like this episode quite a bit. It's not my favorite, just obviously because I had to do the love spell stuff, which is obviously not my favorite. If you look past that, the overall, I think, was pretty good. I mean, even the special effects of him going into dreams and all of that, it wasn't as bad as...

as it could have been. I think that, you know, they had been progressing and learning and, you know, we were out of, you know, eyes glowing, which was really good. Um,

It helps. I think Holly, part of it also is you're just coming off of dead man dating and having this deep connection. And then to kind of then the next episode be casting love spells and putting out like what you look for in a man. Well, it depends, right? Like of when these were actually shot. Right. But the way it was aired, it doesn't play necessarily as authentic as it would be.

If it was aired probably in the way you guys shot it. Yeah. Like this one should have been before. But the thing is, right. We never, it wasn't until like later season two, season three, I think that we were able to take,

you know, episodes, the episode before and let it bleed into the next episode. And back then in the late 90s, you always had to end that episode and a new episode started completely fresh. They wanted them to be standalone. That was a spelling thing too. They wanted them to be standalone episodes that if anybody happened to catch it, that they would know exactly what happened afterwards.

And what the storyline was and the backstory, which led to uncomfortable exposition all the time. And yeah, it was. And so they could sell them like easier, you know? So if somebody didn't want to buy a whole season, it wasn't a big deal. So it was like a financial thing as well as an audience thing. So yes, like now as a viewer in the two thousands, when TV has changed so drastically for the better, yeah.

you look back and you're like, God, she got over that dead guy real fast. But I'm also like, he's dead. Like, are you really going to pine away for a dead guy that you can't even touch? I'm telling you, this was supposed to be before that episode. Exactly. And so this whole like, ugh, like it's so gross. I love love. But even then, it's like whatever episode was supposed to, you know, originally be after that,

The dead men one, I don't... They probably didn't write your character to still be, you know, a little heartbroken. No, and it's so desperate. Like, it just rubs me all the wrong ways. Yeah, I can see why that would do that. But also, you know...

we would be remiss if we didn't say that it's, it's why it's part of what makes charm. Like everyone can just pick up and watch it at any point, right? Like it's these single serving episodes that have a beginning, middle and end. And you still know the characters. Exactly. So, you know, it's, it was very, it's a calculated thing that a lot of networks do and a lot of television series do. So you can watch it in any order. Like maybe they watched dead man dating and then the next episode they watch, you know,

Love, love. Well endowed. Yeah. Coyote, coyote Piper. It's probably hard for you guys to say or truly understand because you have so much necessary for the execution of this, as far as the details that go into this, but bottom line to sum it up, it's the chemistry and the relationship that is, is very unique and,

and that you guys pulled off with commitment every episode. And despite all these things that, all these details that you're talking about, they're critically important for a good storytelling. That's what everybody connected to. In the end, it's who is delivering it and are you bonded to them?

And you did that. And so there's where we are. There was a fun to this with this. There was a seriousness to this. There was a kind of a peek into who you guys are. Aside from your character, there are elements of just who you are and how you walk normally. And you all individually have something

Something that people are just drawn to and so that's what's happened These two and a half decades later as far as why the show continues on but then we also talk about friendships and we talk about love and we talk about triumphs and we talk about possibility and That's kind of the undercarriage of what this show was all about. Um

and discovering what is important to you. And when you have magic, which is such an amazing thing, and life is magic, all things are possible. When you get what you think you want, do you really want that? And once you receive that, you start to understand the hierarchy of things as far as that thing. Well, where does that fall in the line of what I truly value? And that's kind of the continual message throughout all the episodic installments. Wow.

I still think the love spell is personal gain all the way. But then the book of shadow has this addendum where it's like, oh, but you can reverse it. Is it to teach you a lesson? By the way, we've also skipped way ahead. So let's look back up and see.

So we've already established at the quake, a handsome stranger in a wheelchair named Whitaker. He gets rejected by me and rejected by a waitress named Sky. And then later that night, Whitaker visits Sky in a very creepy dream. And the next morning she is found dead. And Daryl and Andy know it's a homicide, but they can't figure out how she died because all of her bones are crushed. But she's like in an apartment,

Windows are closed. Doors are locked. So it's like, how did she die? Right? And they both say, murder. And then, you know, Phoebe...

And Piper come up with a spell to attract men. Because I guess you guys don't have enough men in your lives because you're bored. This is what I mean. It just bumps me. It just seems so desperate. It seems desperate for your character. Desperate for the character for sure. And again, it's time-wise. We have to pretend this was pre-Minds.

Yeah, because it was. No, we don't have to pretend because you have to do it as the audience is seeing it. Correct. So for us to go, well, we have to pretend that it's pre-marked because this is how the scripts were rolled out. You have to base it on how they actually played it to the audience. But again, standalone episodes. So Mark is a dead guy who's now gone. And

And maybe that's why Piper agrees to do a love spell because like, let's delve into that for a second, right? A woman who is probably not as open to love or scared, but wants love, falls in love, a dead guy. Now she's a little bit heartbroken. She still wants that love in her life. So when Phoebe, whose character would do a love spell, you know, she could convince Piper to listen, you've got to get over it. And maybe this is all played off camera, right?

You have to get over the dead guy. Like, let's get you a new guy. Let's...

What are you laughing at, Brian? Me trying to justify all of this? Go find a new dead guy. Go find a new dead guy. Shannon, you're absolutely right. That's true. Maybe the fastest way to get over something is into something new. Maybe. Right. There's plenty of dead fish in the sea. Absolutely. So you guys, they create this spell, you and Phoebe. People do this all the time to get over one breakup.

they roll right into a new relationship. So, you know, maybe they're, maybe Piper's just trying to move on in a way. She's trying too hard. Well, that brings up the very, very question. What do you look for in a man, Piper?

Definitely not roaring fires. Not a man who loves love like me. Well-employed and endowed is fine, but... Well-endowed. Sunset bike rides? No thanks. There's a couple things that happen in and around the scene with Phoebe's character that I feel were actually very on brand for her. First, her eating like a bowl of Froot Loops. Sure.

Yeah. And then like the thing that she thinks is cool and sexy is like a guy who rides a motorcycle and, you know, blah, blah, blah. Like she, it's very, it, her character is very fleshed out. I think it works. Like the things that she's asking for are very immature and kind of like surfacy. Very fleshy.

And I think that kind of like is there to ultimately teach her a lesson. Yeah. But it definitely plays well for the character. The moral of the story is you don't want to stalk her like Andy. True. Yeah.

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For decades, the Mafia had New York City in a stranglehold, with law enforcement seemingly powerless to intervene. It uses terror to extort people. But the murder of Carmichael Ante marked the beginning of the end, sparking a chain of events that would ultimately dismantle the most powerful crime organization in American history. It sent the message to them that we can prosecute these people.

Discover how a group of young prosecutors took on the mafia and with the help of law enforcement brought down its most powerful figures. These bosses on the commission had no idea what was coming their way from the federal government. From Wolf Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts, this is Law & Order Criminal Justice System. Listen to Law & Order Criminal Justice System on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Meet the real woman behind the tabloid headlines in a personal podcast that delves into the life of the notorious Tori Spelling as she takes us through the ups and downs of her sometimes glamorous, sometimes chaotic life and marriage. I don't think he knew how big it would be, how big the life I was given and live is today.

I think he was like, oh, yeah, things come and go. But with me, it never came and went. Is she Donna Martin or a down-and-out divorcee? Is she living in Beverly Hills or a trailer park? In a town where the lines are blurred, Tori is finally going to clear the air in the podcast Misspelling. When a woman has nothing to lose, she has everything to gain. I just filed for divorce. Whoa. I said the words.

That I've said like in my head for like 16 years. Wild. Listen to Misspelling on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session, 24 hours. BPM 110.

120. She's terrified. Should we wake her up? Absolutely not. What was that? You didn't figure it out? I think I need to hear you say it. That was live audio of a woman's nightmare. This machine is approved and everything? You're allowed to be doing this? We passed the review board a year ago. We're not hurting people. There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing. They're just dreams. Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television, iHeartRadio, and Realm.

Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so while you guys are practicing the spell to attract men, Whitaker calls Prudhoe at home because apparently, like, the Charm Sisters are phone numbers on speed dial for everybody. For every stalker. Now you have two stalkers. Yeah. You have two stalkers now. And I'm taking a bubble bath because that's something we've seen Prudhoe do before. And Whitaker appears...

And scratches me, starts trying to drown me to death. But I'm saved when Piper walks in because she hears me struggling or screaming. You're welcome. Hey, quick question, Prue, about the bubble bath. Do you remember shooting that? Like, was the bath warm? Like, how did they do? Like, if you're, because scenes can take sometimes over an hour. Yeah, they would keep filling it with hot water. Okay, nice.

I like that. Look, simple answers. Simple answers. Look, I had a scene once where I got in a jacuzzi and they hadn't cleaned it. And then I got hot tub folliculitis. This was on set. It was you. I get that. What in the, what, hot tub what? Folliculitis. Don't Google it because you'll never be able to unsee it. Ah.

But like, so sometimes like when they are like you were actually in a bath full of bubbles taking, you know, and scenes can take hours, people. And so like, how do you, how do we make sure that you are comfortable and happy? There's a thing called Screen Actors Guild and they have like laws and rules that protect actors. See people that's, I wanted everyone to know that. That's why I asked the question. They didn't apparently protect you, but maybe were you doing a student film?

No, it was a Disney film. I had to go to the hospital. It was gnarly. That's crazy. Yeah. They, it was like they had rented this mansion that was like $5 million and they, no one had thought to clean the tub or check to see if the tub was clean. I get in there. I have a scene in there. I'm like in there for two hours. It's all bubbly and nice jets are on that night. Break out into like the worst fever ever. And I have to be rushed to the hospital. That is insane. I have a question.

The mechanism used for this, being the guy that can infiltrate dreams and him being immortal. And I'm curious about that. And also we have the other two, Buckling. Of course, they're using him. But I'm curious about his no connectiveness, no remorse, and what triggered him to go off in that direction in that manner. Rejection. Rejection.

Yeah. Skye, the girl at the waitress, after Prue rejects him, the hostess kind of rejects him. Yeah, but this is something he's been doing forever. I think that's what Dorian's point is. It's like, how did he turn into this guy? I thought you guys uncovered that his first...

partner in the dream analysis business he was dating and on the way home she had rejected him and died in a car crash or something and then that's when kind of set him off because he was rejected by his first love or wanted to be loved who was his dream partner

Wow. Somebody paid attention. It's terrible. And that's, that's a serial killer. One Oh one. That's my issue with him. You know, it's like that trigger of, uh, they were in the argument on the way home. And so, so he is assigning his, his, his, uh, his handicap now, or what, what has happened to him now to,

And now everybody's going to feel the wrath of him afterwards. Anybody who rejects me, right? Right, right, right. Which is interesting because he had an opportunity when he got into their dreams to actually –

Have a good time. It could have been enjoyable and made their dreams pleasurable and fun and light. He could have lived out his dreams in the dream. But he's bitter. Was he in a wheelchair prior to the accident? Or did the accident put him in a wheelchair? Put him in the wheelchair. So then he hasn't actually come to terms with

Being in a wheelchair, being rejected. So he's just a mess of emotions. None being positive. That serial killer 101 is being rejected. They take out their isolation and their anger out on innocent people. For those of us who watch as much Dateline as I do.

Is Dateline still on? Yes, it is. At least two different channels. Jesus. Okay, so Phoebe's super happy about her muscular new man, Hans, that she got thanks to the spell. He looks like a lumberjack, the guy who was playing him. It was hysterical. Meanwhile, Piper, you're getting hit on left and right. You're a little freaked out, but there's a guy named Jack.

And then it goes back to the dream lab with Whitaker where Andy and Daryl visit him at his workplace and they question him about the dead women. But Whitaker is a scientist who does dream experiments. So you guys walk away not like 100% sure that he's the guy, but you're still very suspicious, right? Yeah.

Well, we go in there and he's got nothing but alibis and we're going in there on the premise of dream leaping. That's where we went in there with. And here I am knowing what the issue can be with that.

So, of course, we had to leave. I had to rush him out of there. Once he came up with, well, I've got all this, you're coming to this dude, this respected person, I say in quotes, because of him being a scientist and research and research grant. And he's got all these people that he just referenced as far as were the witnesses. And here we are pressing about this supernatural stuff. So it's not that we, we,

We had to come to a conclusion, but it was time to go. We gathered enough of what we could at that moment without causing further problem and potentially impeding any further progress as far as the investigation of this case. Wow, D, you sound so official. I believed every word you just said. Now I want to rewatch it again. Murder. So I fall asleep. Then we're at Buckland's and I fall asleep at my desk.

And, and he comes back, Whitaker comes back to visit me in my dream and he tries to kill me. But Andy saves me when he calls and wakes me up because Andy is my stalker. Yeah, he is. Yeah, he is. He knows when you're sleeping. No, why do you think Prue doesn't talk about this? You know, this thing where, you know, she's now come to visit you twice at this point, right? Once in the bathtub. Well, what I think is funny is that I call her and say it's an emergency and she's like, I gotta go. Bye. Okay.

So we're left with the creepy guys all on our own because she has her storyline to do. Right. I mean, I think that one of the reasons to answer your question, Drew, is that, you know, Prue doesn't ever want to burden her sisters. That's very well established through the three seasons I was on. And she always wants to protect them. And that also means protecting them from something that's coming for her.

So I don't think that she wanted to include them because she was like, I got to handle this on my own and not expose my sisters to any of this.

Yeah, it was an interesting choice that, and again, obviously the evolution of your relationship will take place, but this early on, something that feels very personal and direct to you that you choose not to burden, as you say, you don't want to like put your sisters in harm's way, I think is admirable, but also like an interesting thing because ultimately you guys learned that your power and your strength comes from connecting with each other. Yeah, we're stronger together. Yeah.

But I think that, you know, like when we watch the seven deadly sins episode, we'll see sort of like why Prue makes the choices that she makes, why Piper does, why Phoebe does. Like our individual sins are very much about who we are and how we've led our lives up until that moment. And I think that Prue's, isn't Prue's sin like pride or something? I just think she's so prideful that she's like, no, I got it. Like I can handle all of this. Yeah.

Yeah, also she's the older sister. I get I resonate with that but in it this is still new to you and you're still Despite being more powerful as a unit you're still dealing with these things that you're going to protect and we do that every day It's like I could rely on people I love or I care for but I don't want to put them in the potentiality of where this could go despite I'd be despite the fact I'd be in a better place with their help and

You know, and that's where love is. It does that. Right. But you wouldn't be able to forgive yourself if something happened to them because you brought them into the situation. My point exactly. Right. You wouldn't bring them in despite you being more powerful with them. But then even when you do tell her and you scratches and things and stuff, and I saw my mate back, Piper's like, ah, you're tired. You imagined it. Listen, I got a lot of guys I got to juggle. Okay.

Got a lot on my plate. Yeah, you do. Maybe that's part of you not telling him anyway because she's just going to be like, ah, you're tired. I was the one that called and said it's an emergency and she's like, I'll talk to you later. You never saw the scratches. Is that what you're talking about? You're tired and it didn't happen, but the scratches had disappeared. I mean, Piper never saw the scratches, correct? Yeah, thank you very much. You know what? Yeah.

Listen, Piper the Man Juggler. Piper the Man Juggler. She's had bad dreams before. And she knows her sister's overworked. And she was talking about all this new stuff that came in. Oh, my God. And she got off the phone quickly. Stop making excuses. Dismissed. She just dismissed her. Jesus. All right. Police station. So Daryl and Andy...

Daryl doesn't really understand why Andy thinks Whitaker is a suspect. And Andy says he thinks he's into dream leaping quotes. And he specifically kills women who have rejected him. What a leap. Talk about leap. Yeah. But this is why Andy's super detective sleuthing. He's sleuthing at his best right now. Yeah. But that's a huge leap to make as somebody who supposedly doesn't

you know, believe in witches yet kind of does like, I don't know that that just was a huge leap, but fine. Um, Piper Phoebe bombarded by gifts and affection by men, but Piper being the reasonable one is like, listen, this spell is not, you know, this isn't real love. This isn't true love. Like we should probably reverse this spell. Um,

And then I call and I ask my sisters for help to look through the book of shadows. Now she needs help. Well, she needs the book's help. And she says that she falls asleep. The dream sorcerer will kill her, which is, you know, I don't. And then like, so why do you get in your car and try to drive home? Why aren't you like, anyway, drinking coffee immediately. Right. Right. Like instead she's in her car, like,

nodding off and you're like, what are you doing? Like, come on, Prue, don't be so, you know, stupid. But the great thing is, is that she does not die from crashing her car into like a pole. And it brings her sisters in who give her, you know, again, that sort of connectivity, Drew, that you were talking about before of like, they're always stronger together. Yeah.

I thought this was, and this is a testament to Connie's genius because you can tell that definitely it was the episode was meddled by. But this, to be now in this accident and now in a coma where you're forced to sleep is a really, really smart kind of,

thing that we have to overcome like this is an obstacle like that we love as an audience like oh shit she can't wake up like before like okay maybe you're blasting the ac you're taking coffee but now you've been in a car accident you are in a coma like you the stakes couldn't be higher in this moment i thought that was really well played um like from a story point standpoint so then we have the girls they're whispering to you because a lot of times you hear that people in

people there in the room and they, you know, we've heard countless stories of this, but I think that was a really smart story device. And I liked that, you know, Piper and Phoebe are there now kind of like trying to help guide her through this, this battle that she's ultimately going to have with Whitaker. Yeah.

Yeah. And the power within, and I guess there's another through line as far as the, the, every episodic installment of the, that you are powerful. You can do this and you're getting the support of those who love you that, that enlighten you to the fact that no matter what you're facing, you can do this. You can navigate, you can, you can persevere, you can conquer this. So I

I like that. I mean, had I honestly believed that, like, had the sisters not come to the hospital and been in her ear, she, you know, it would have been a very different result. I agree. It was them, their belief that she could do it. They're like love for her that that gave her the strength in her coma to

to actually fight this guy back. And you find the weight of her powers through the coma to throw him off the building and ultimately kill him. And I think this episode does a great job of executing the sisterhood

triumphs over evil. Like when you guys are really connected, this, you can overcome anything. And I think dream sorcerer, especially that kind of pinnacle moment when you have that showdown with, with him, that, that,

Yeah, and dreams, of course, internal reflection of all battles that reside within you. And so you're overcoming the most horrific things of unimaginable consequence that is actually your own battle that resides within you. And you're being shown through your dreams the power of you being able to, no matter what you're confronted with, that internally you have the capacity and the abilities to do that. So I appreciate that mechanism.

And then you say you're never going to doubt Andy again. You do say that. You do say that. I do say that under my breath. You say that. You know, um...

And of course that is the thought of the moment, but this is all new, man. I mean, I don't want to be a part of this stuff that I think deep inside Darrell knows is in existence. I think we all know that there are things that are beyond our comprehension. And now you're having this as a reality that you have to navigate in every day. So whatever you stated then, it's going to be consistent battle of that.

as far as his coming to terms with that and be confronted with the reality of that day in and day out. Never is a long time, just saying. I know. He didn't mean it. And then Stalker Andy shows up with more flowers. Go figure. Exactly. And that's the end of the episode. Well, reminding her sisters, never forget that genuine affection is better than any sort of affection you can conjure with a spell. Careful what you wish for.

That's very true. Careful what you wish for. I might take some conjured affection over real affection nowadays in my life. Sure. That's just me. Just life experience. Yeah.

You know what I really liked about it? I really liked my dress that I was in when I threw him over the edge of the building. I really liked it. I liked my hair. I liked my dress. Okay. I like that. You were having a good old time this episode. I remember that stage built inside where you threw him off and all the smoke, whole hell of smoke. But it was like,

I don't know. It was, there was something very sexy about this episode, even though he was trying to kill me, there was still something oddly sexy. Like the way it was lit, the outfits, the whole thing. Like,

It was just a... Yeah, it was... I liked filming this episode. Maybe it was Dream Sorcerer voice. Well, I thought Matt actually did a great job too. Like, you know, a good villain kind of has a lot of fun doing it. Like, that's...

that's what we love about some, some of our villains. It's like, oh, they're, they're taking, he took a lot of joy in it. And I thought he'd from an acting standpoint, he did great. Like it was a really fun kind of, he made some really fun choices and like. He had some charming moments. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. I,

I enjoyed the cold open and what you were talking about, him kind of having fun with that last scene that they had where he just kind of, when he pushed her over the ledge and kind of did this howl and did this moment that they captured and then cut to commercial. So again, Drew, the fun that he was having with that character was kind of cool. Okay, so overall we liked it. Me, not so much, but...

It's not the best, but it's not the worst. I found some things that I enjoyed. I don't know if I'm going to say, yeah, I found some things I enjoyed. I will state that. Okay. Well, audience, we would like you to, you know, weigh in on this. Like, did you hate the episode? Did you like it? Shannon enjoyed it quite a bit.

I mean, there are other episodes I liked better that we all did. But I think for the beginning of this show, still trying to find its legs. And then like finding its legs with like a, you know, Deadman episode. But then again, we don't, you know, everything shot out of sequence, but we can't keep referring to that because it's how the audience views it, not like what our audience.

what we think it should have been or how it should have been. It's like how they view it and how we, you know, end up playing those characters where it's all believable at the end of the day. I think that it wasn't as bad as it could have been. Does that make sense? It does.

It does. And again, Drew's made a comment about this. It was 98, I believe, this episode, correct? Mm-hmm. And the time that we were in and also some other stuff that, you know, like the restrictions that were imposed as far or what you had to navigate that early on and all the resources and figuring out all those moving parts to do something of this nature. We started talking about stunts and special effects and blah, blah, blah, blah.

So considering, again, fifth episode, first season, it was good. Yeah. I mean, maybe it's because I never watched the show. So now that I watch it, I don't know. There's an appreciation for it. I'm not in my critical stage of the show. I'm in that first awareness of it where I'm like, oh, wow, you know what? For what it was in that day and age, it's really good. It's really entertaining and fun.

And it's very creative. Like who comes up with a dream sorcerer who can kill women by throwing them off buildings in a dream? Like to me that like, well, that's actually creative. Like, um, so yeah, I'm, I'm in an appreciative phase. Maybe if I have to watch it again,

three times that might change well just wait till uh next week's wedding from hell and we'll yeah we'll see you i'm not listening i'm going in with very uh fresh eyes okay fresh yes just okay just everyone remember this moment

I enjoy where all this kind of stuff stems from, from Greek mythology. When we start talking about, why am I forgetting the guy from Morpheus and the sons of sleep and his brothers and his sisters. When we start thinking about the woman, all the hypno, hypno I believe is Greek, and all these gods and the rulers of dreams and what dreams are about.

I kind of enjoyed that connectedness as far as probably where all this stuff was sourced from. Yay. Dorian, you just keep digging real deep. Someone did his homework. Right? I'm like, yeah, what he said. That sounds really good. Can you just write everything for me from now on and I'll just repeat it? I could not be better than you, girl. I love you and I enjoyed it. You're just way too smart and funny.

Thank you. Thanks for hanging out with us, D. Absolutely. Taking time. Yep. Yep. We love you. We can't wait to have you back on. Me too. If you guys get a chance, I don't know if you are aware of this. Have you seen the Obi-Wan Kenobi series? No.

Did you see that? You're not a fan of Star Wars or any of that stuff. Well, take a look. Punch in Dorian Gregory and Darth Vader. And I'd love for you guys, I'd love for you to let me know what you think. Yeah, and I'm telling you, you should have done the synopsis. I should have. Hey, why don't we give him a shot? We've got time to do it right now. We can come full circle. End where we began. Cut and paste.

No, we'll wait. We'll wait. Come on. Just take the shot. No pressure. All you got to do is just Google search it and you'll understand. DorianGregory.fair and that's it. I'm definitely going to Google search it and then you're going to come right back on here and do whatever they're asking you to do. Boy, was that a lot. I would love to.

Well, thanks again, Dee, for being here. Thank you. We'll see you soon. We love you. We'll see you soon, dude. I love you, too. I'll talk to you guys later. Have a great day. You, too. God, he's such a sweet man. He's the greatest. And so smart. Thanks, guys, for checking this week out. We'll see you next week. House of Hallowell. Ciao. Ciao.

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