Finale: What’s Next?
25:18 Share

Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, the host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI.

In 2001, police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues. I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fisher. Do you recognize my voice? Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. I've spent almost a decade researching right-wing extremism, digging into the lives of people you wouldn't be wrong to call monsters. But if Scooby-Doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. The monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil. They're just some weird guy. So join me every Thursday for a look under the mask at the weird little guys trying to destroy America.

Listen to Weird Little Guys on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome to Haunting, Purgatory's premiere podcast. I'm your host, Teresa. We'll be bringing you different ghost stories each week, straight from the person who experienced it firsthand. Some will be unsettling, some unnerving, some even downright terrifying. But all of them will be totally true.

Listen to Haunting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is The Piketon Massacre, Return to Pike County. Season 2 finale, what's next? I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at KT Studios with Stephanie Lidecker and Jeff Shane. For the finale of Season 2, we wanted to devote some time to answering listener questions.

This season, you've really helped lead us down some interesting and unexpected roads. We culled through a bunch of submissions and picked out a few questions that we felt needed to be discussed. We also invited a group of our regular contributors to join. Reporters James Pilcher and Anjanette Levy, as well as forensics expert Joseph Morgan. ♪

Welcome to the finale. It's been quite a surprising season. It's been a shocking season, I think. Yeah, I mean, we started with a crazy turn of events. And now as we're learning more about the accused and the victims themselves, there's never a moment where I'm not surprised by this case and what happened. And I think as we learn more and as these trials start to happen, I think that's only going to continue. That is the thing that I think I loved most about this season is some of the unexpected turns that we took.

Really, the show sort of unfolded real time, obviously starting with the initial plea with Jake Wagner. But then also, we've done a couple of stories that were guided by listeners that we dug into to really look at the area.

We really spent a lot of time this week digging into questions that we've been following along the way over the course of both seasons. The three top things we got were, what are the details of what happened in Alaska? Where is Jake's wife Elizabeth? And who is the informant?

And those questions drive each of us every day. And we do not know the answers. And we and journalists and experts have been digging and the answers thus far have been impossible to come by.

But that will not remain the case forever. We had a conversation today with two people that hopefully we can report back on. That is mind blowing. And, you know, that's a little bit of a piece of the puzzle, right? As we produce this podcast, as we produce anything, there are certain conversations that happen on the record. There are certain that happen off the record. Obviously, legally speaking, we have to have perfect releases in order for us to air certain pieces of information, right?

you know, gossip, conjecture, things that are a matter of non-fact are not usable. And because of the gag order at this exact second, it's maddening because we get to speak to certain people and we're not able to share that information.

Mike from Asheville, North Carolina wrote, why did you guys do all these break off episodes like the Michael Moran story and the Curtis Francis story? Listeners wrote into us and gave us a heads up to be looking into these stories deeper, which was fascinating because truthfully, I don't know that we would have gone down that path had listeners not reached out and alerted us to other stories that were happening in the area, which really does speak to the totality of crime in a really specific pocket of the country.

They definitely spoke to this theme of injustice in the community. And I mean, these were happening in the Rodin's backyard. And so to not mention them would feel like we were not telling the complete story of this community. And like the Rodin case, the Curtis Francis case is so complicated.

and so tragic. And, you know, the benefit of having a season two is really being able to explore some of these stories more in the same way we were able to expand on the rodent story and the ghillie story. We were able to do that with Curtis Francis, which is an honor to be able to do that. And so my question to you, James, so you reported extensively on Michael Moran, right?

Why was that story important to you? And how, if at all, does it relate back to the Roden case? As I said in the episode, and I still feel this, that I feel I owe these women the truth. That, you know, there was a part of me...

looking at it from my male white privileged perspective, that this stuff didn't really happen. You know, I had no idea. So I almost didn't believe it at first. And so when I found out it was true, it became like almost a mission of mine to say, you know what? More people need to know about this kind of thing. So that's for the Moran story specifically in sex trafficking. I've done

subsequent stories about sex trafficking in the numbers state by state. So yeah, that's been a major focus of mine since I started reporting this story. As a legal disclaimer, we should note that Michael Moran has been arrested on charges including human trafficking and promoting prostitution. He has pleaded not guilty to all charges and denied any ties to sex trafficking. He's currently awaiting trial.

How it relates back, you know, I wouldn't say that, you know, there's not a direct correlation between the Wagners and Michael Moran or the rodents and Michael Moran. I think it just gets to this aspect of rural America that most people don't see. And that law enforcement in that part of the country and these parts of the country just isn't equipped to handle these multifaceted, in-depth, complicated investigations. And you guys covered it well.

when you covered the Hopper Road episode, I completely admire what Jody Barr did with the Hopper Road story and how even if they don't get a conviction, at least people have an understanding of what might have happened. Shout out to Jody Barr for what he did in that story because he really did. He changed everything.

lives, you know? Exactly. You know, I saw something today, I won't name the publication, but there's a story out there saying that true crime is booming and whatever, but it is nothing more than a love letter to law enforcement. And I want to write the author and said, have you listened to

any of this? Have you listened to some of the stuff that you guys have done and some other of my colleagues have done? No, this is about unsolved. Why isn't this mystery solved? So I completely, you know, there are people who think, oh, true crime is nothing more than making the cops look good. Well, no, I completely disagree with that. It's as much about holding the cops accountable as it is about telling the stories of the victims.

And by the way, things go away in the night. If nobody's talking about something, it just gets swept under the rug.

And likely, when you take a closer look, which we get the benefit of doing in a podcast of, again, the totality of the abuse of power or a real look at how things are being covered and are they being covered enough and are these cases being highlighted enough? You know, oftentimes, listen, investigators are investigating as much as they can and as fast as they can. We get the benefit of being a little bit courtside and taking even a closer look with

the benefit of tons of time. And the hope really always is to hopefully move the needle to either move a case forward and/or to make sure it doesn't happen again. Zach from Wilmington, Delaware asked, "Have there been efforts to reach back out to the Wagner family members, whatever happened to DeRay, the Wagner relative from season one?"

We've spoken to DeRay numerous times since the hearing. She was one of our first phone calls, and it is obviously very raw for her. I mean, she spent, as listeners know, a lot of time proclaiming her family's innocence. And DeRay, I think, is heartbroken, and that is the only way to put it. And she declined to participate this season because I think she is not sure how to feel and how, even if she was sure how to feel, how to even explain that to the masses. ♪

And my understanding was, I'm not sure if DeRay had directly spoken to Jake, but I know that Jake was giving the impression to at least his grandmother that he was innocent. And so they were shocked.

that all of a sudden he's in the courtroom saying the opposite of that. So, you know, when I spoke to DeRay the day of the hearing, she was confused. She thought, did someone put him up to this? Is he not in the right frame of mind? She wasn't sure what was going on because this was not the person that she had known for his entire life. So my question, Anjanette, is what has your experience been reaching out to the Wagner family members if you have?

Well, I've only really reached out to the lawyers. Billy Wagner's lawyer got back to me very politely and just, you know, said that anytime there's a crime with multiple defendants, you know that one of them may or may not plead guilty, that there's always that chance and they're going to look at the case, that type of thing. I didn't really reach out to Frederica or anything like that. Anytime I've done that, it's not been fruitful.

So I just didn't see any point. I've reached out to her in the past and she doesn't say anything. Frederica Wagner had been very vocal and speaking to the press. And as of today, she has not said one thing publicly about her family since Jake has pled out. So I'm curious what's going on.

with her personally and also what the implications will be in the upcoming trials. Same with Rita Jo Newcomb, Angela's mother. I'm personally fascinated by the grandmothers. Frederica seems to be a complicated person. I mean, Frederica, as we know, is a staple in the community in terms of her presence with real estate and businesses. I just think about the ripple effects of the crime and how it's going to affect Pike County for years to come.

Angie from Carlsbad, New Mexico, wants to know how covering this story, how has it affected you personally or professionally? I would say I think it makes me think about trust, certainly, about who you have in your life and the relationships you have. Because whether it's Jake and Hannah Roden's relationship or it's now Jake Wagner and the rest of his family, I think it is a little bit be careful who you trust. Yeah, this is one of those real cases of the boogeyman is not out there. It's in your circle.

And not only in your circle, these were people that were really close friends. The Wagners and the Rodens we know were extremely tight, way more than was earlier reported. So I think for all of us, that's been the nauseating element here. That's been the part that you can't kind of shake where you think you'd have a sixth sense about it or you would meet somebody and you would know they're bad news. They're going to bring very bad things to our family.

Yet that wasn't the case at all. They were at the same wedding, hugging and chummy and, you know, really shared beautiful times together. So at what point does that tip over, I think has been a real fascination of ours. And then I'd pose the same thing to you, Joseph.

Let me just say in 2016, I've been, you know, kind of neck deep and covering crime for a while now on a lot of networks and whatnot, really big cases. And there were a lot of big cases in 2016. But I have to confess, when the Roden case hit, I was actually covering it with a

HLN and Nancy Grace. And we've gone on to talk about it, Nancy and I have extensively on air. And particularly at that time, one of the things that struck me about it, being a guy that comes from these rural roots like I do, country mouse comes to big city kind of thing. I've never seen or heard of anything like that in my entire life. I was just amazed. And then when you go out to those locations, you get out and you look at this property and

I don't know the word. I'd say emptiness, but there's a vacancy to it. And you know, that you get out there and you see what may have been there and it's no longer there. Isn't that really, really something that kind of resonates with you? You know, how it leaves this huge scar throughout that community, you know, this vacancy.

But yet it's haunted. It's haunted in a, you know, I'm not saying that in the sense of, you know, some kind of ghost tale or something. I'm saying it's a haunted place in this sense. This is the kind of event that years from now kids are going to be sitting around campfires, you know, 50 years from now. And they're going to be saying, hey, you want to hear a ghost story?

You want to hear about the worst thing that ever happened. And so right now it's a very urgent thing. We're waiting on trials and all that sort of thing. But then it leaps over into the mythology of a place and that's going to happen. That will happen and this will be something that will be remembered. We're going to take a quick break here. We'll be back in a moment.

Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Stories about regaining a sense of safety, a handle on reality after your entire world is flipped upside down.

From unbelievable romantic betrayals. The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family. When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath. Financial betrayal. This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me.

Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walzak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Oh my God.

In 2001, police say I killed my family. First mom, then the kids. And rigged my house to explode. In a quiet suburb. This is the Beverly Hills of the Valley. Before escaping into the wilderness. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down. They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog flew. All I could think of is him and the sniper me out of some tree.

But not me. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave. Tracking down clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.

Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house, the hunt, family annihilation today and a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your favorite shows. Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. I spent almost a decade researching right wing extremism, digging into the lives of people you wouldn't be wrong to call monsters.

But if Scooby-Doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. I've collected the stories of hundreds of aspiring little Hitlers of the suburbs, from the Nazi cop who tried to join ISIS, to the National Guardsman plotting to assassinate the Supreme Court, to the Satanist soldier who tried to get his own unit blown up in Turkey. The monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil. They're just some weird guy. And you can laugh. Honestly, I think you have to. Seeing these guys for what they are doesn't mean they're not a threat.

It's a survival strategy. So join me every Thursday for a look under the mask at the weird little guys trying to destroy America. Listen to Weird Little Guys on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, I'm David Eagleman from the podcast Inner Cosmos, which recently hit the number one science podcast in America. I'm a neuroscientist at Stanford, and I've spent my career exploring the three-pound universe in our heads. We're looking at a whole new series of episodes this season to understand why and how our lives look the way they do. Why does your memory drift so much? Why is it so hard to keep a secret? When should you not trust your intuition?

Why do brains so easily fall for magic tricks? And why do they love conspiracy theories? I'm hitting these questions and hundreds more because the more we know about what's running under the hood, the better we can steer our lives. Join me weekly to explore the relationship between your brain and your life by digging into unexpected questions.

Listen to Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Anjanette, has covering this case had an impact on any way you report now or has it affected you personally or professionally? I think that's hard to answer. I think some stories change the way you report or make you look at things differently. I kind of approach this like I approached any story. I just wanted to know the truth and figure out what happened and try to help, if we could, bring some light to what happened. So,

I mean, it was very sad to me. I mean, it's just awful when you would watch the family and go to vigils and stuff like that, and you would see what they were going through. And there were some times where I felt like the family wasn't treated very well by some media. You know, I feel like I tried to always treat them, the family, the Roden family, with kindness, as I do everybody I'm on a story with, unless they're, you know, like a

correct politician and then you chase them down straight or whatever. But I just feel like it maybe gave me a greater appreciation for the loss that people really suffer just because of the children involved in this, of course. But just...

you know, just the senseless. This is like true. You hear people say, well, it was senseless. Well, all killings are pretty much senseless, but this was really, really on another level. And so I think the humanity, just talking to Leonard Manley and seeing the pain that it brought him and his family and seeing Geneva Roden and,

You could just see the pain on her face when she would come to court, just dutifully coming to court. You know, there's no elevator out there at the Pike County Courthouse.

So she has to like walk up the stairs each time with her cane and she has a bad foot and in telling this story, just really try to focus the best you can on the loss or at least bring that through in the storytelling. I feel like I learned something from every story I cover and it probably changes me, you know, in some ways, you know, you learn and evolve. I know a couple of you are parents and it's

And it sounds so cliche, but it's so true. Like even, you know, when I have my mind in this case, particularly, it really makes you grateful for what you have, knowing what can be lost like that. Oh, yeah, I would agree with you 100% on that. And I feel for those kids. Obviously, I don't know any of these children, but just the thought of children growing up not knowing their parents now because of this, that's going to happen. Yeah.

I try to keep my emotions separate, but it's hard. You know, sometimes you come home and you look at your own children and you just think, God, what would happen if my child was left because of that? And you try to really put yourself in that place. And it's just, I can't even imagine. I just hope this kids are going to grow up and be okay.

You know, we get up in the morning every day and think about people who we've never met and think about families who we never will outside of the interviews that we have the benefit of doing. And I can speak for all of us to say if you speak to a person, whether it's on a phone or on a Zoom or eye to eye in the same room and their entire family has been slaughtered.

and they can sit before us and tell their tale and have the wherewithal and the composure to be able to push on in their world, certainly we can tell their stories and we also can push on in our worlds. And I think that's very inspiring in a way. We've been wildly inspired by this case in ways I can't quite describe. The Rodin family has become a piece of our DNA.

Do we know for sure George's trial will be next? And do we know what the order is yet? All we know is that George's trial is the only one who's been scheduled. They might schedule mom and dad earlier than that. They could still do that. They very well could still do that. But as of right now, the only one we know of is next spring. We're going to have a trial.

unless there is a plea deal. These prosecutors have been dealing with this case for years. So I assume they've got some type of game plan or they think they know who could go next or who they want to potentially offer something to next. I mean, I'm sure they have a plan. I don't know that they have a plan. I'm just kind of surmising, you know, I'm sure they've thought about this over the years.

I think it's so compelling to better understand how one trial will influence the other. It is unusual to have four now trials of family members back to back.

So imagine one trial, of course, impacts the other. And the bombs that come along with that, particularly Jake Wadner facing off for the first time, as now stipulated in his plea agreement that he will testify against his own mother, his own brother, his own father, is shocking.

mind-blowing. There's no way this can play out in any universe that is not shocking. If they are turning on each other, that is a piece of the equation that we really never thought would happen until Jake appeared at that hearing. How do you throw your son under the bus? And how does your son throw his own mother under the legal bus? That is a legal mess. And I'm so curious to see how it plays out.

Let's stop here for another quick break. We'll be back in a moment. Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind.

Stories about regaining a sense of safety, a handle on reality after your entire world is flipped upside down from unbelievable romantic betrayals. The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family. When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath. Financial betrayal.

This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Colleen from Aspen, Colorado asked, what do you think is going to be the end result of the case when all is said and done? Are there going to be any more surprises? I would predict at this point they're all found guilty. And I think there's probably no plea deal. And we're going to see these trials happen one after the other, starting with George. I think it'll be starting with Angela Wagner and George will follow. And Angela's trial will set the stage for the remaining two. If Jake is lying...

Is that a possibility to anybody that Jake is lying? I don't know. I mean, if what they said is true over that 10 to 18 hour confession, if that's indeed, you know, the story and he said it was all true and he led them to murder weapons and the vehicle used, that's some pretty compelling evidence. So, you know, there may be another domino or two to fall and maybe there will be somebody that, you know,

Fix it out and says, no, I'm going to roll the dice and go to trial. I've said it before. They're either, you know, with Jake's deal, the death penalty is off the table. So you either plead guilty and get life in prison or you roll the dice and get convicted and get life in prison or you roll the dice and get a hung jury. So that's kind of how I look at it.

James, will there be any more surprises? Well, I think it depends on your definition of surprise. Jake pleading guilty a few months ago, that was a surprise. At this point, with that on the table, I don't think anything would be surprising me.

I don't necessarily think someone deciding to stick it out to say, yeah, I'm going to go to trial would be surprising or pleading out would be surprising.

I think it's going to depend on how hard and which weak link the prosecutors decide to push on, where they see the weak links, if they see a weak link. I mean, they're all being kept in separate prisons and they're all being kept with separate counsel. Now, those counsel can talk to each other, but the Wagners can't. So I don't know. At this point,

A really, really sincere thanks for your time, information.

passion, all of it. Really on behalf of KT Studios, just thank you to the listeners. You know, we hit number one in all categories because people kept tuning in. And as we talked about, led us in the right direction in terms of other things to be discussing and unpacking. So thank you.

As we bring season two to a close, one piece of the puzzle has been solved. Jack Wagner changed his plea to guilty and said he was responsible for five of the eight Rodent family member deaths. What plea do you wish to enter in count seven to the charge of aggravated murder on Hannah May Road? I am guilty, Your Honor.

Jake Wagner faces life behind bars and has disclosed details of the plot to kill the Rodin family to authorities. What he told us led us to discover some evidence that had yet to be recovered, specifically the weapons that were used in these offenses. He's also implicated his family in the gruesome murders. Billy Wagner, Angela Wagner, and George Wagner IV all still face charges, including aggravated murder. Jake Wagner has actually agreed to testify against his mother, his father, and his older brother. ♪

While Angela, Billy, and George Wagner continue to maintain their innocence, questions remain. Angela Wagner is the suspected mastermind of the conspiracy to kill eight members of the Roden and Gilley family. Prosecutors say the Wagners lived an insular life focused on control of children and the young women who entered their lives.

But with Judgment Day for accused brother George Wagner IV just around the corner, George Wagner's trial date has been set for April 4th, 2022. What will happen in the meantime is anyone's guess. Will there be another plea deal? It'll be interesting to see where this case goes from here. Now they have someone who is cooperating. They have someone who can give them specific evidence. What exactly is Jake going to say in the stand? It's going to be interesting to watch what happens with this feud.

Could grandmother Rita Newcomb make an appearance on the witness stand? Newcomb is a notary and prosecutors say she forged guardianship documents three weeks before the rodents were murdered. The fine details of this plea agreement are under seal with the court, so it's still a question about whether or not Newcomb will be required to testify at the trial.

Or will grandmother Frederica Wagner end up back in court? The 77-year-old Wagner faced two felony charges obstructing justice and perjury. I never lied about anything. I was innocent. They had no evidence against me. She can be charged again in this case later. Perhaps most importantly, will the victim's families finally see closure in the case? Our family will never stop trying to bring whoever did this to justice.

One thing is for sure, there's much more on the horizon. This case just keeps on coming. I still wonder if there was much more to this that we don't know and what would drive someone to do what happened here. There's still, to me, a whole lot of unanswered questions here. More on that next season. But check in next week when we'll be bringing you a special bonus episode before the break. For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow us on Instagram at kt underscore studios.

The Pikedon Massacre Return to Pike County is executive produced by Stephanie Lidecker and me, Courtney Armstrong. Editing and sound design by executive producer Jared Astin. Additional producing by Jeff Shane, Andrew Becker, and Chris Graves. The Pikedon Massacre Return to Pike County is a production of iHeartRadio and KT Studios. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, the host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI.

In 2001, police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues. I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fisher. Do you recognize my voice? Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. I've spent almost a decade researching right-wing extremism, digging into the lives of people you wouldn't be wrong to call monsters. But if Scooby-Doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. The monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil. They're just some weird guy. So join me every Thursday for a look under the mask at the weird little guys trying to destroy America.

Listen to Weird Little Guys on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome to Haunting, Purgatory's premiere podcast. I'm your host, Teresa. We'll be bringing you different ghost stories each week, straight from the person who experienced it firsthand. Some will be unsettling, some unnerving, some even downright terrifying. But all of them will be totally true.

Listen to Haunting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.