The Intercept RIPS OFF The Grayzone’s Reporting On NYT Hamas Rąpe Hoax Story
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i'm doing great and i heard that you requested joe biden super tuesday's takeaways i absolutely did not request that well that's what i heard oh maybe it was steph i don't know okay either way here they come buckle up okay my goodness what is this again

Joe Biden's Super Tuesday takeaways. Oh. You should call it Tuesdays with Joey. Indulge me, man. I'm trying to make this a regular segment on MSNBC. You get paid way more if you have a regular segment, you know? You want to do a regular segment where you talk about Super Tuesday? Well, I'll keep the name the same, but I'll talk about other stuff when it happens.

Anyway, are you buckled in? No. No, I'm not, actually. All right, well, then, here we go. Super Takeaway Tuesdays, item one. Biden wins big. Nomination all but wrapped up. Main challenger uncommitted is defeated once and for all.

As is weird third guy. Maybe the way for what we have all dreaded, another Biden-Trump matchup in the fall. Wait, what we've dreaded? Well, yeah, I'm an American citizen, too. I'm just as disheartened as anyone else. Takeaway number two.

Nikki Haley had to Bailey. Haley suspended her campaign without making a public appearance or even issuing a statement. Serving up this hot plate of chicken tikka ma silence has led an analyst to reach one conclusion. She was too busy crying. See, you wouldn't want to be a...

that the tikka the silence that's a that's way too clever for you sir i don't think this by the way i don't think this is going to fly on msnbc this segment

Well, not on Joy Reid, no, but... Item number two. What's the deal with American Samoa? The winner in the territory of American Samoa was not Joe Biden, me, but some jabroni named Jason Palmer. Who? Exactly.

That's why I'm screaming. Who the hell is Jason Palmer? Is he related to Robert Palmer? Simply unelectable. Seriously, what's the deal with American Samoa and other such incredulous exclamations? Insiders say that Biden's team is in fact worried about this development. Really? You're worried about what happened in American Samoa?

Jimmy, one must be worried about all facets of the campaign. I lost a primary. Yeah. That's not good news. And this one can't even be blamed on a genocide. It's just a weird thing that happened for no reason. What's your campaign strategy for dealing with American Samoa? I'm going to continue to do nothing about climate change until American Samoa is completely submerged. Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Sorry, you're a territory of the ocean now. Should have voted for me. Okay, I see. Takeaway number two slash item number three. The State of the Union address is tomorrow night. Oh, that doesn't have to do with Super Tuesday per se.

Yeah, I know, asshole, but like I said, that's just the title of my segment. It doesn't mean I'm bound to only discuss that topic. I don't see how everyone keeps getting confused here. Okay. Anyway, yeah, amazing speech time. All-time banger coming down the pike. Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. How exciting.

Are you going to be watching, Jimmy? Absolutely not. Awesome, man. Yeah, I'll tell you what, Jimmy. Tomorrow night is my big opportunity to address the nation regarding the crisis in God and our steps moving forward. I know people in this country are deeply pained, and my political standing has suffered immensely on the left. So now is my chance to make statements that will address this situation head on, heal the rift.

win back trust and support. And boy, am I going to fumble that shit. God damn. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know it. I know it. Even that little fucking dog in there knows. I'm not going to see a goddamn thing that makes anybody feel better about anything.

whatever nonsense drivel comes out of me will be reduced to thousands more are going to die. That's pretty depressing. Oh, man, yeah, it sure fucking is. Yeah. It's just soul-killing, knowing I could do something, but I don't. I wish I could, but it's Israel, man.

You can't do anything about Israel. You just have to let it happen. Israel is the Chinatown of the world. Right, right. To be clear, I'm referencing the movie. I'm not dragging the Chinese into this situation. I got it. I understand. Come on, Jack. I will be talking about those fuckers in my speech, too. Okay, well, I guess this is the end of your segment, then?

What segment? The Super Tuesday thing.

I got no idea what you're talking about, man. When you called, you said that... Jimmy, Jimmy, I called you five minutes ago. How the hell would I remember what I said back then? I was a different man five minutes ago. I can't be held to the standards of five minutes ago today.

I'm just one person. Okay, well, thanks for calling. Did I ever tell you about a gangster I knew in my youth named Flapjack Honeysuckle?

is this Bobby am I talking to Bobby yeah I won't tell Bobby about Super Tuesday but I forgot what okay my pills are wearing off again ah hello okay I think we need to go goodbye Mr president wow that was amazing foreign

Establishment media sucks All gas lighting so good luck Bullshit we can't afford He's fomenting this Watch and see at medium speeds And jumps to medium And hits them head on It's the Jimmy Dore Show

We're here with Max Blumenthal, an award-winning journalist as well as the editor-in-chief and founder of the independent investigative news website The Gray Zone with an A. He's also the best-selling author of several books including Goliath, The 51 Day War, and The Management of Savagery. Please welcome back to the show Max Blumenthal. Hey, Max.

Hey Jimmy, how's it going? Good, good to see you. Now the reason why I have you is, do you remember this story? I want to show everybody, remember this was the headline we've covered that this would turn out to be a fake story. Remember this fake story by the Amber Heard? This is what we like, the New York Times, the Amber Heard of newspapers. It's not really fair because Amber Heard technically has put out way less huge lies. Technically she has.

Screams Without Words, How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on October 7th. And so this has been debunked a million times, but it was first debunked

by the gray zone here's the gray zone from december 31st they did a video on it new york times hamas rape hoax exposed max blumenthal and aaron mate methodically debunked the times bogus report alleging palestinian militants systematically raped israelis on october 7th and respond to their own critics sloppy attacks so a not schwartz was a not telling the truth so

And here's your article on January 10th at the Grayzone website, Screams Without Proof, Questions for the New York Times about Shadi Hamas' rape story. But then, this is from February 28th, this is from just the other day,

It's from The Intercept. They're acting like they broke this story. The story can finally be told properly. Between the hammer and the anvil, which is, I guess that's where Jeremy Scahill's head has been lately. Well, they crapped the title up of your much better title.

They're breaking the same story. Obviously they acknowledge the gray zone, so no worries. Oh no, wait, they didn't do that. - What? Ryan Grim wouldn't overlook something like that. - In this one they did just acknowledge us in passing, just so no one clips this out. It was sort of a afterthought acknowledgement, but we'll get into that. - So here is also Amy Goodman.

A new expose by The Intercept has found major discrediting flaws in the New York Times December investigation claiming that Hamas committed. So we speak to reporter Jeremy Scahill about the grave errors and misinformation that his team found. Here's Amy Goodman pretending The Intercept broke the story. Hey, I guess that's why it's called The Intercept. They intercept stories from better outlets and then pretend that it was their scoop.

Here's Aaron Maté. He says, correction for Democracy Now! The Intercept is not the one that found major discrediting flaws in New York Times' Hamas sexual violence scam. Those flaws were uncovered by Intifada, the Grayzone News, and Mondeweiss months ago.

Well, before The Intercept and Democracy Now jumped on board, this Democracy Now segment fails to mention that. Oh, so wait. So The Intercept, in passing, did say it was from your outlet, but Democracy Now completely omitted that. And I guess Jeremy Scahill wasn't in a hurry to correct it on the show.

Well, there was a previous article by The Intercept about the controversy, and we can get into that. And that just pretended we didn't exist. So their original story pretended like that gray zone didn't. Here, Max Blumenthal tweets that out and says, nice summary of reporting by the gray zone in Tefada and Mondeweis from three months ago.

Nicely done. And, you know, Aaron worked at Democracy Now. I know. And so for Amy Goodman not to kind of extra gross for her not to give a tip of the hat. Democracy Now not only refuses to credit the gray zone and others who actually debunk the New York Times. It promoted the Hamas rape hoax back when we were exposing it as false.

This is from December 6, 2023, Democracy Now! segment, uncritically echoing bogus Israeli claims of survivor testimonies. Let's watch a little bit. The U.N. Monday heard accounts of sexual assaults during Hamas's October 7th attack on Israel. Speakers criticized the U.N. and others for failing to promptly investigate and condemn sexual crimes.

Former Facebook executive Sheryl Sandberg, who helped organize the event, was a key speaker. Hillary Clinton sent videotaped remarks. President Biden Tuesday condemned Hamas for the alleged attacks, which the group has denied. The nonprofit Physicians for Human Rights Israel last month released a report detailing survivor accounts of sexual assaults, which it said were widespread on October 7th.

This is Orit Solisiano, head of Israel's Association of Rape Crisis Centers. Most of the people I assume

that have passed this kind of terror are dead because they were shot. There is information from people who saw what happened, but everybody should understand there should not be any anticipation that the survivors will come and speak out loud with their face. It's not like Me Too. This is a horrible and different thing. What...

So what she's saying is... You just can't talk to them and don't expect to hear... Don't expect to actually hear anybody say they were raped or anything. That's not how this works. How it works is we make this stuff up as propaganda, and then it gets printed on the front page of the New York Times by people who aren't even journalists. And why is this so much worse? Because they're that racist against Palestinians, so it's much worse than a sexual assault in any other country?

I guess what you're playing. This is so shameful. They can't even show their face. They actually have to wear burkas now. Yeah, they're so ashamed. They're so ashamed. Dirty Muslim touchdown. So Ray McGovern, who we know is ex CIA truth teller, he says, I'm not surprised about democracy now. I found it hard to conclude that Amy can act as a cog in the system until I was put on the no invite list. Amy couldn't believe that.

that Dems come spooks fabricated Russiagate. She picked Empty Wheel, who admitted sharing inside information on Russiagate with the FBI out of patriotism. She outed her own source to the FBI. That's what Empty Wheel, that's what he's talking about. Democracy Now! is the Bernie Sanders of independent media, and that is why we call her Amy Goodbad. Ha ha ha!

host of hypocrisy now is that why one corner of her mouth is turned up and the other down at all times i think she embodies the uh it might be well here is so here is ryan grimm repeating this is back from december 4th instead of debunking it he repeats it he says jpl called the sexual violence carried out by hamas horrific and condemned it repeatedly in this interview so he's

validating that he's not saying hey those those were bogus and aaron mate comes in and says how do you know hamas carried out sexual violence jayapal parroting evidence-free allegations is not something to welcome you should at least use the word alleged and he doesn't he didn't use the word alleged and um well here's so here's there was no confidence this is from december 24th

There was no cover-up of Hamas' sexual violence on October 7th. The right manufactured it. The media and feminists bought it. And Israel is exploiting the outcry.

What the right manufactured. So at least there's some original spin on the story. You have to read the first line of the first paragraph to see what where the intercept was at at that point. OK, it's one thing is true. It says Hamas and other Palestinian militants committed unspeakable sexual violence against Israeli civilians on October 7th. Well, that turns out.

That's the one thing that wasn't true. One thing is true. So the thing that drives me nuts is that The Intercept is now shitting all over the New York Times for that false story when they printed just as false things in their own. And so I said this on the show last Friday, and I said The Intercept shouldn't be wagging their finger at anybody. They should be wagging their finger at themselves for their shitty coverage, which I knew this. So anyway, here's one more.

to underscore that the intercept has no evidentiary standards on the Hamas rape claim, consider this insane line. Yes, some individuals and extreme left organizations have denied these atrocities or upheld them as justified resistance.

Forget for a second that the rape claims are unsubstantiated. Who are these individuals in extreme left organizations that have upheld rape as justified resistance? This is pure invention. It was Roxanne Gay. Okay. And here's Ryan Grimm saying this is so then, so then when it came out that that New York Times story was fabricated, Ryan Grimm, one of the least ethical guys in all of journalism,

This is horrifying. The guy lies about activists, healthcare activists. He lies about YouTubers to defend politicians on the regular. This is what he does. Uh,

Uh, and here he is now pretending that his own publication didn't publish the exact same lies. He goes, this is, and himself too, by the way, tweet out the exact same lie. He goes, this is horrifying on so many levels. How could the times let this happen? They know I wouldn't question them. I like, I like how Aaron goes, good question. Here's a related question. How could the intercept let this happen?

And he doesn't have a comeback. My favorite Ryan picture. Oh, Ryan. So... Code name Muddy Waters. Code name Muddy Waters because that's what he's here to do. Muddy the Waters. Muddy the Waters.

And he says that, and here's Ryan Grimm again, the balls on this guy to just be, I guess we should get their Hypocrites of the Year Award. Glad to see the New York Times taking internal and external criticism of its coverage seriously. It's important at any organization to be able to self-reflect, learn from mistakes, and improve. He should be saying this to a mirror. And then he goes, oh, wait, that's not what they're doing. Yeah, that's not what you're doing. Yeah.

That's not what you're doing. Is Pierre thinking about turning things around or what do you even have to do with it, you chump? I like, so Aaron says, if you want to understand why Ryan Grimm and Jeremy Scahill don't want to credit the journalist who first debunked the New York Times rape story, here's one reason. Not confident to let the facts speak for themselves,

They're still going out of their way to pay lip service to that very narrative that Hamas did commit these rapes. But how do you maintain a relationship with power, as the Great Crystal Ball told us? That's what the Great Crystal Ball tells us. Here we go. Two ways to think about what happened on October 7th. The first way is that it was a day of extraordinary mayhem and violence. The Israeli defenses melted away. Not only did you have several thousand Hamas fighters stream across the fence, but you also had...

hundreds of civilians, some associated with gangs come across. And in that context, the idea that there would be no sexual assault is not taken seriously by pretty much anybody who understands kind of war and violence. That's one way to think about October. Okay. So,

What's the other way? So maybe lying for power. You don't take war and violence seriously. You don't take it seriously. Maybe lying for the powerful will go easier for him if he would just switch over to the Kyle Kalinsky blonde web surfer here dude guy because whatever he's doing now that's not working. Aaron then says, first of all, October 7th wasn't a war.

That was a one-day guerrilla operation in a very limited time frame. To frame it in the context of a war is in fact not serious. It's a prison break. Second, yes, that was more of a prison break. Second, that's not how you approach allegations, and an allegation needs to be backed by credible evidence.

In the absence of any credible evidence, there's no need to pay lip service to the allegation unless you're pandering. Also, your low-flow showerhead is not helping you. Like that Seinfeld episode? That Aaron also says they would do the same thing in their latest article. They do the same thing in their latest article. They keep repeating. The question has never been whether individual acts of sexual assault may have occurred on October 7th. I believe it is. Yes, it is. Yeah, no, I think they're...

may have, I, why are you bothering me with may have, uh,

They actually had the nerve to put that family in the photo. So why they have to... Those are the ones in the photos saying, hey, our daughter wasn't raped. Can you imagine that? Your whole family's picture there. Well, we're sad because of the rape. And you had no idea they're going to make this nonsense up by your dead child. So what this is, this is propaganda that The Intercept and Ryan Grimm is happy to repeat along with Democracy Now! because they have to make the people...

So because what Israel is doing right now is so horrific, they have to somehow make the people they're doing it to be just a little bit worse than they are. And that's the point of this. Let me bring in Max Blumenthal, who actually broke this story and that the intercept hijacked and democracy now pretended they didn't do it. What do you have to say about this, Max? Well, this is like the role of the intercept in democracy now is like when

When the narrative starts to emerge that's challenging power and they realize that it's actually legitimate and we've already taken all the attacks for it, we've already been smeared again and again, and then they realize it's true months later after validating it, they come in and basically claim credit for it, take the baton and run with it.

They aren't posing as actual alternative. They're not actually like alternative media. They're

what the New York Times might have been if it had been slightly more ethical and slightly more independent. And many of them had aspirations to work for places like the New York Times. So they have this culture of respectability politics, which is why they couldn't cite the gray zone in their initial piece by Ryan Grim and Daniel Bogoslaw, which was about how the New York Times shelved this edition of its daily podcast

Under internal pressure basically the staff was freaking out because they had published this piece by Jeffrey Gettleman and a notch warts and company that we blew out of the water we electronic intifada which is actually one of the first online pro-palestine or or palestine-oriented publications taking on the Israel Israeli propaganda period that ever appeared online and

and Mondeweiss, which is one of the first major, maybe the first major Jewish anti-Zionist news and analysis outlet.

So they just came and just took all the credit from everyone. They didn't tell their readers why there was this controversy at the New York Times. I know for a fact it was because of us and me ripping to shreds from top to bottom all the sources that the New York Times relied on, all their demonstrably false testimonies. The Intercept, as you demonstrated in that intro, hadn't even weighed in yet. So their readers weren't even informed.

on why this controversy had developed. And then when they come back with their follow-up piece, which includes Jeremy Scahill on the byline, I basically had to lobby someone at the Intercept and say, are you going to credit us this time? And they did, but I was credited just with one tweet. I kind of had to help them find it.

And we were relegated to the sidelines of the article. And the article, the subheader of that article is the story of the New York Times controversy. You know, if you're going to tell the story, it should start with us ripping that piece to shreds. But again, the readers aren't told how that piece was clinically dismantled. And now they have a new piece up, Ryan Grimm and Jeremy Scahill, which it does credit us, Electronic Intifada and Mondo Weiss.

But again, it's credited as they had previously raised issues as if they're doing the debunking when in fact this new piece, all it does is recycle debunking I've already done. In fact, I went even further than them in exposing the phony source that they're exposing now. So they're basically just trying to come in and take credit for work we've already done

fundraise off it maybe win some awards i don't know what and water it down what the issue is and water it down and and yes uh sort of suppress the the the power behind it by qualifying and saying maybe there was some rape you know palestinians can be militants can be kind of rapey i mean maybe it did happen it's not actually anyone who's serious

oh i guess there's no such thing as rape max i guess that's what you remember that all oh i guess well actually you know we could say maybe let's just say maybe i mean we don't totally know what happened on october 7th but you know what ryan said there was that anyone who's serious about war and violence has to assume that this happened even though there is no evidence yeah so as a journalist has to uphold some evidentiary standard but none is being upheld here and that's again

part of the respectability politics culture that pervades the intercept where they're more concerned about how they're perceived by legacy media than by their own audience or by the grassroots political forces that are out in the streets surrounding the Israeli embassy putting pressure on institutions like the New York Times

and protesting this genocide in Gaza. And so that to me, it's not real, you know, independent alternative media. It's sort of like an ersatz version of the New York Times. It's not surprising that they've shared staff with so many mainstream outlets. Dude, Jeremy from The Quartering is better than Ryan Grimm. I'll say it right now. No doubt about it. No, Jeremy The Quartering, way better than Ryan Grimm.

well jeremy went on democracy now uh initially about you know some some piece he did uh debunking israel's atrocity fabrication something we electronic and defada and mondo ice already did not crediting us and then he said he learned this from his own research those were almost his precise words jeremy i guess his research was reading the gray zone yeah that's what i was thinking the whole time like oh we just explored a bombshell report from another better source

No, I mean, this other guy reports on nerd stuff usually, but actually has... Yeah, that would be like me, like, check out my new book. It's about Blackwater. I got to read that squad book still, because there is a part where Bill Clinton apparently saying about Hillary, said she couldn't sell pussy on a troop train as her trying to have a woman angle, how bad of an idea that was for her campaign. That is in his book, supposedly. Yeah.

Well, I mean, that's a good scoop. And, you know, I'm glad they're bringing this story forward. I'm breaking that story. Kurt's breaking that story. I'm going to be the first one to break that story. Ryan had sources in the New York Times. I'm glad they got that out there. It's deepening the crisis for the New York Times. I'm glad that's happening. It's just unethical to not cite us and the outlets that actually created this crisis. And it says everything about the kind of

mainstream alternative media that we're seeing crop up. That's like fake alternative media, billionaire-backed outlets. I mean, you see it on the right too. Billionaire-backed outlets and

phony alternative podcasts that are actually reproducing mainstream narratives while co-opting a certain element of what's germinating in alternative media. And here, you know, they waited for months. I was attacked so many times.

for child, like Katha Pollitt, the, you know, arch second wave in-house feminist at the nation called me and Aaron rape denialists, which was slightly better than what she said about Matt Taibbi and Mark Ames, which is, she just called them rapists. She didn't call you rape apologists? She called us rape denialists. That's even worse. Yeah. It's sort of like a Holocaust denier, but I mean, we were getting these attacks all along. The intercept was sort of

dabbling with the same narrative. Oh yeah. The one thing is true. Hamas did this. And then all of a sudden... They realize, wait a minute, people at the New York Times like staffers are taking our work seriously because they actually read it and they realize that we have demonstrated that this story is just false. That what these sources are saying is not backed up by evidence.

And then they come in when it's safe. So to me, that's also sort of, I mean, that's just typical of mainstream alternative media is waiting till a narrative is safe, but it's still kind of contrary to, because mainstream media has moved so far into the pro-war neocon realm that it's like lost all credibility. It was directly in a billionaire's asshole all the time now. Well, that's how far it's moved. It's in the colon now. Yeah.

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I mean, this to me, him tweeting this out on January 2nd, this is horrifying on so many levels. How could the Times let this happen? He'll never say that about his own Intercept that actually is still doing it. How could you let it happen? How could you let it happen? You're the D.C. bureau chief. How could you let it happen at the Intercept? It happened at your publication.

Let's pretend that didn't happen. And let's pretend that these guys somehow have integrity and that somehow Ryan Grimm is the arbiter of truth and journalistic integrity. A guy who was on the take from billionaires. How many billionaires did they pay his salary now? I don't know. It was up to three at one point.

Hey, Jamila PayPal, she condemned those rapes, those fake rapes that never happened. So, gutter some slack. What a chump he is. The guy, I mean, I'm reminded of if you Google, on Twitter, if you look up hashtag Grim Job, you'll see a lot of his best work. One of them was when he...

tweeted out a deceptively edited video about me saying I didn't get a joke that David Sirota was making and he cut the part off where I said hey that's a good joke David Sirota made really yes he did that yes that's the DC bureau chief so desperate to try to smear a youtuber because I do the thing they can't stand tell the truth about them he cut that video up about as well as he does his own hair yeah

Yeah, I mean, I don't want to get into personal attacks. You all have different... I do. Yeah. I have like several more loaded if I may. That's your prerogative. That's your prerogative. I mean, you have a different history with Ryan than I do, but it's really, to me, this is about just the culture that The Intercept represents and that they just can't... I just couldn't believe reading the latest piece they did where they're just going over...

information and research I already did that I already put out there. And then at the end, there's a throwaway line about how we had raised questions about some of this. It's like, why even bother

putting that out. What are you trying to accomplish? I don't think it adds any value. The New York Times stuff, great. You moved it forward. Tell your readers why there is a controversy at the New York Times. Tell the truth. They didn't do it and I know for a fact

They didn't do it because the gray zone is considered toxic, because we challenge other anti-imperialist narratives that upset powerful people. So we challenged the- Howard Bauchner: Russiagate. Paul Matzko: We challenged Russiagate when the mainstream alternative sort of left liberal media was lapping it up, all these sites that have fallen apart.

We challenged the phony Uyghur genocide narrative that was used to ramp up the new Cold War in China. We challenged the whole narrative of Assad deploying chemical weapons in Douma, for example, which justified US and UK missile strikes. And throughout all of those times, the intercept was on the other side.

pushing the dirty war on Syria, pushing the new Cold War on China with dubious leaks. Actually, a month before Qasem Soleimani in Iran was assassinated, The Intercept published Iran leaks

from a dubious source it looks like western intelligence might have leaked those to the intercept so and and you know they're running basically press releases for the al-qaeda affiliated white helmets at the intercept yes so that's how they're they're always they're they're always catering to imperial narratives now you have a situation where what israel's done is so horrendous in the gaza strip that you know average liberals are horrified by this

I was actually at a protest encampment two days ago outside the home, the mansion of Tony Blinken, Secretary of State Tony Blinken. Really? These courageous Palestinian activists have been maintaining 24-7. They've camped out in tents outside his home. And anytime someone goes in or out of his gates, they just immediately start chanting. They pour fake blood on the ground in front of his motorcade. It's amazing. No legacy media coverage at all. No DC local media coverage whatsoever.

And car after car drives by in this wealthy neighborhood and people are saluting them because people have had it with what Israel is doing. It's just, you're either on the side of humanity or not. There's no middle ground there. And so it's kind of easy for an outlet like The Intercept or Democracy Now to come in and start challenging Israeli propaganda. They've lied so many times. But when

It wasn't easy. They were always on the other side and there's been no accountability there for the positions they took on Syria, for example, when we were just getting mercilessly attacked for challenging these obviously staged events which were designed to cause regime change the same way

that Israel has lied about key elements of October 7 in order to create consent for what it's doing in Gaza which is a regime change operation that's what we're witnessing they want to eradicate Hamas which is the legitimate governor of the occupied besieged Gaza Strip they won an election they have a popular constituency and as a result of that I mean we're seeing the same thing we saw we're seeing in Syria mass starvation because when you start to come in and try to destroy a government

you start sanctioning it, besieging it. You won't even let police operate in the streets. It turns into Mad Max. It's impossible to get aid in. Aid trucks get raided. And obviously food isn't getting in because Israel is blocking it, but people start to starve. But that's the same thing that happened in Syria. And again, the intercept was on the other side. So we need to have a clear accounting strategy

of where these outlets stand on the issue of imperialism, on the system that makes this genocide in Gaza possible. Like it's the same system that's supporting Ukraine, that's supporting the Ukrainian military.

It is the same system that's flooding Taiwan with arms. Yes. And encircling China. It is the same system that is encircling Iran with military bases. And it doesn't matter if you agree that women should have to wear hijab or not. As long as they wear a mask? It's making life miserable for everybody.

So we're opposed to that system. The intercept cam seemed to make up its mind, and now it's coming in and kind of trying to gain traction as this grassroots outlet taking on the man by basically Israel-ing our work. I know you wanted to mention that the Jimmy Dore show was also out in front on the Syria gas attacks. Well, you were like the cavalry that came in.

and gave us a platform when no one else would. It was like the reinforcement that we needed at that time and you spoke to such a broader audience than we were and it made sense to people. And that's why like, you know, I think that's why Aaron Monta was like going down the rabbit hole on the OPCW but it was thanks to you that people were able to understand the importance of that investigation.

Yeah, I'm still pretty sure. And The Intercept was just attacking it again and again. Yeah, the scarf sniffing was the part where they really kind of blew it on the fake chemical story. Oh, it's mustard. The CNN. Oh, yeah. And The New York Times. I mean, The New York Times had, like, they recreated the, what they wanted the Duma thing.

attack to be where they basically had a cartoonist yes chemical attack the thing the courts can't do anymore because it it creates false impressions the three the 3d computer model yeah they won an award for that like but they won an award for that didn't they max after it's been always that you can't use it anymore as evidence they won an award they won an award for a cartoon illustration of something that didn't have

- That didn't happen. - Well, it did work. I mean, I guess a lot of idiots believe it. - Mike McCrae said it. - I remember after Qasem Soleimani was assassinated by Trump, the Intercept had a panel in New York about it with the New York Times. They teamed up with the New York Times on a panel. It's like, how can you team up with the New York Times on it?

on a panel about one of the most hideous acts by US empire. And of course Mehdi Hassan was on that panel. He now has a mainstream alternative media outlet called Zeteo that he's pushing because he was

pushed out of MSNBC for telling the truth on one issue. All the way up to October 6th, all the way, he's shilling for Biden, selling the war in Ukraine, selling the new Cold War with China by hyping up Uyghur genocide, doing all the work that...

And just being a member of the mainstream media. So before that, he was at Al Jazeera and The Intercept, and he was crafting the trajectory of his career so he could one day join MSNBC or a mainstream outlet. And now he's independent, and he's declaring that he's billionaire free and that he will finally tell the bracing truth about how the media has coddled Donald Trump. And if the media isn't held accountable, that Donald Trump will win again.

Have you read his book? That's your criticism of the media? Wow. They've coddled Donald Trump. Like, I've never seen them. And I don't support Trump, but I've never seen the media be more unfair to a president. Have you read his book, How to Win Any Argument, except that one? Yeah, just interrupt your guest constantly.

Yeah, I mean, he was... I called him out for lying about Assad and for lying about the gas attacks. I called him out for... I mean, he even smeared Seymour Hersh. I mean, that's the kind of guy that fits in well at The Intercept. My friend? No, my friend. The Intercept will never tell you the truth about Syria. They wouldn't do it. It was just such a... Or Russiagate. They wouldn't... I remember...

Ken Klippenstein, who's such a fraud. He said he didn't cover Russiagate because it was boring. The biggest story of his lifetime.

He tried to pretend he was also one of those guys who pushed that ivermectin was horse paced. You know, whatever the whatever the establishment. I remember him just celebrating the deaths of like overweight people who were in their mid 80s. Yes. Happened to be unvaccinated. He was just gleefully delighted with that. Yes.

Yes. Which also speaks to the culture at the Intercept. That's the culture at the Intercept, of course. I mean, they started out good, but they went downhill faster than anything. I mean, and you have it on the right, too. Like, there's this...

alternative veneer that various billionaire-backed characters uphold because mainstream media, including Fox News, Post Tucker, are just so discredited among the right-wing grassroots. And they basically steal a lot of ideas and soften them from the dissident right and also from the left. And Elon is sort of

fostering this culture but like you can look at Bobby Kennedy and his campaign also as a dimension of this all of them swallow the poison pill of Israel of Zionism including Alex Jones for example he just will not take on he says he's against the new world order and he will not take on Zionism. We brought it up on the show. Well I know I haven't watched his reporting on it but when I brought it up on our show he was

He was against the Israel narrative in Gaza. So maybe... He acknowledged every goddamn thing we said to him. Everything we said, he didn't push back and he acknowledged it. So I had heard that about him too. And so that's why we brought it up to him. But, right? I'm not misremembering this, right? I remember we were shocked because either you or I brought it up with...

Chop it at the bit to bring it up, and he immediately... Yeah. Oh, okay. Anyway, so maybe he goes back and forth. I don't know. I mean, he did better than Vivek promised. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he certainly did. I mean, that's another perfect example. Vivek Senior Prami.

Vivek, Vivek senior Prami. He tried to, he tried to immediately pitter pivot to the genocide of the Uyghurs. So away from Gaza to the, and I go, well, how many people Vivek? He goes a million. I go, well, God's is 2 million. So he goes, let's just look at the numbers. There's a million people in the Uyghurs that are being, you go, well, how many million? Well, there's 2 million in God. You got him on his own metric. I couldn't believe it. I, you know, we're,

don't ever bring up the Uyghurs again after this Gaza thing. Cause they're, they're the birthday boy every day compared to what the hell's going on in Gaza by a lot. Well, I mean, why aren't there, there was, there was no allegation of,

any systematic killing or killing in any large number of Uyghurs. Basically, they said that they were put in internment or re-education camps and that constituted genocide. And I mean, we debunked all the reports that were coming out because they all, most of them went back to one extremely dubious researcher who said he's on a mission from God to destroy the Chinese Communist Party. Whatever you think about China or the

the communist party of china it was just an obvious campaign to generate support

for the US to ramp up its political war with China and create the context for a war over the Taiwan Strait. So it's dangerous. It has to be challenged. And we understood that. And Tony Blinken in his, I think one of his first public speeches said China is guilty of genocide against the Uyghur population of Xinjiang in Western China. So I went to the State Department. I've been there twice to ask them.

How is it that China's responsible for genocide when you haven't even said they've killed anyone, but you consider, Tony Blinken said that Israel systematically slaughtering 30,000 people and thousands and thousands more are missing under the rubble, 70,000 are wounded in just such a short time, like 15,000 are children. How is that meritless? And they just can't answer the question.

Max, you're telling me if I get attacked, I have a right to self-defense by starving three generations of the guy's family? Is that what you're saying? I mean, they're starving them to death. That's what they're calling it. They're bragging about it openly. They're bragging about it. They're like happily doing it. They torture them on camera. The Palestinian prisoners now put it on social media and we're like supposed to just consider that legitimate because they were attacked one day. Well, that's why – I mean there's –

And today, actually, the New York Times is still getting away with this. A.G. Sulzberger, who's the publisher of the New York Times, spoke at Reuters, Thompson Reuters Institute. He delivered this keynote speech boasting of their sexual violence October 7th investigation as one of their proudest works on Israel-Palestine. So it's like he's not even, he's just pretending like the controversy isn't even happening.

Well, he's proud of that. The lie spread. I still see people like, I, the guy drove me to the airport, like brought up like, yeah, you know, it never happened. I can't wait to tell people how that never happened. It actually delights me too. Cause I'll watch him do like Dershowitz when they're asking him about Epstein. He goes, well, I'm surprised with all the feminists about all the rapes that were going on on October 7th, you know, feminists like Alan Dershowitz body and real hard to it. I mean, he's,

Definitely accused of sexually assaulting more named women than Hamas. They showed their faces, not these mysterious ones you're not supposed to look for. Well, listen, like, don't isn't it weird for Hillary Clinton to get up there and just

make these general allegations of mass rape by Hamas when there are actual female accusers of the man who's still her husband? And there are no actual living accusers against Hamas currently. - You gotta bring them in the room like Bannon did. The only way to stop her with that is to actually physically have them in front of her while she's trying to do her fake rape talk. - It's like, what about us? I mean, if Hamas had raped those women, maybe Hillary would advocate for them. - But not if Bill Clinton did, right?

I just think maybe she should just, you know, strice and effect, like stay away from that territory. You would think, wouldn't you? What's that? You would think, you would think I'd be like, Hey, that's kind of a weak spot with, with my well-known husband who by my own apparent standards is guilty beyond belief. Like I probably don't want to touch on that too much. No, you got to dig, dig all the way through when you're in a hole.

This isn't like MeToo. It's like there are no actual living people or allegations, and it will take years for us to find out. That's what we were told today by the United Nations Special Representative on Sexual Violence, Pramila Patten, who said, we won't know. We won't have any evidence, possibly for years. And then by then, Israel will have enacted the Samson option and nuked half of Europe because it would have been sanctioned.

By then, we won't remember. This is like the level of bullshit that we're being fed by major institutions, major figures. We're being lied to. The New York Times publisher is pretending that we didn't debunk this entire investigation. Just everyone sees through the lies. Everyone who is a critical thinker, who's capable –

of, who's capable of understanding context and history, sees through the lies and nothing is happening and they feel just so voiceless and filled with rage. And that's what I think, that's why I think so many people identify with Aaron Bushno, who burned himself alive in a form of protest, not suicide, but what he called an extreme form of protest. Obviously, I don't know anyone who would do that.

who would go that far. But it's just the feeling of just being so frustrated and angry that we're being lied to on such a massive scale while people are being starved. A genocide is being live streamed and it feels like there's nothing we can do. There's no major candidate we can get behind. The only thing voters can do in the Democratic primaries is vote uncommitted. Kamala Harris is just straight up lying to us saying she wants a ceasefire. Then she waits for the applause and then she says,

For six weeks. And then by then, Super Tuesday and the primaries will be over and then we'll be safe from the uncommitted voters. And it's reported in paper after paper as Kamala Harris calls for ceasefire. It's just the lies of the media are just so deep that it goes back to the conversation that we started out having, which is that there are other we we we from the beginning from October 7th.

along with this other, this coalition of independent outlets have been speaking for those people who feel that way. And the intercept has come in kind of late in the game and realized, wait, this is where the action's at. Interception. Interception. Interception. Yeah. We used to call them the inner slept because they were like so slow on the draw or the interventionist because they were pushing the military intervention in Syria. But now I guess it's intercepted.

Well, Max, I appreciate you coming on and covering this ripoff of your reporting and the ignoring of it by Democracy Now! and The Intercept. So everybody should check out Max Blumenthal's work over at The Gray Zone. Anything else you'd like to say before we say goodbye?

No, it's been a while, so it was good to catch up. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's been forever. I can't remember the last time I talked to you. Well, let's do it again soon. Okay, yeah. Hey, did you see that story about how they arrested that Blaze reporter over January 6th bullshit? I saw it. I haven't really dug into it. Okay, I'm going to dig into it. Hey, are you going to Icarus? Are you going to Icarus Festival? Yeah. I'll see you there. I'll be there. When is that?

I think it's in April, June. Is it June? No, June. Okay. First week, I think. I might do a set. I think, yeah, I'm doing a headline set. I think you're going to be one of the comedians on that show.

All right, well, I got to get some Israel jokes together. Oh, you're going to step on all my fucking Israel jokes. We'll trade notes beforehand. Yeah, okay. All right, no problem. I can say stuff that you can't, though. Yeah, that's right, because you're Jewish. Not anymore, you're not. You're an anti-Selfite. That's what I call you. They're going to reverse my brist. Okay. We're putting it, but we're stapling it back on. Okay.

Hey, this is Jimmy. Who's this? This is Hillary's supporter. Oh, hey! We haven't heard from you in a while. Yes, I've been on sabbatical. Oh, from what? I'm realizing that I don't know what you do exactly. Are you a teacher?

I got it. I see. At me?

I see.

I don't see why they don't just have me in charge of naming things. The fact that we have the choice of these two men in November just shows what a joke democracy is in this country. What a joke. What a joke. I actually agree with you there, but I think it was always pretty clear it was going to be Biden versus Trump all along.

I'm not talking about that idiot. I'm talking about the California senator's race. Do you live in California? No, I live in Portland. I'm too scared to live in California. There are too many men and cars. And dogs. Well, why do you care about that race then? Because in many ways, California has been the light of the world as far as politics goes. Right.

For years, California had two female senators, Senators Boxer and Feinstein. I commissioned giant portraits of both of them to hang in my foyer. They were heroes to so many people. I cry every time I look at them. They were amazing. And you're both elected to the Senate in 1992, which was called the year of the woman. That was also the year we elected Hillary Clinton to be president the first time.

Bill Clinton was elected president. No, he wasn't. People were really voting for Hillary. Everyone knows that. And now because of the primary, the Democratic field is narrowed to two straight men for the senator of California, Adam Schiff and Steve Garvey, who is a, quote, professional baseball player, whatever that even means. It means that he was paid money to play baseball on a baseball team.

Okay, whatever you said doesn't even sound real. It sounds like nonsense words men make up to entertain each other or whatever.

So California has gone from having two female senators to zero female senators. That should be illegal. That should not be able to happen. What do you mean? That's who people voted for. That's called democracy. No, it's not. It's the opposite of democracy. Democracy is not just people voting for people that they want to win. That would be chaos. Ha ha ha!

Democracy is social justice, which means we elect more women, more queer people, more black and brown bodies, not left. Oh, don't call them bodies. That would be called fascism. And the woman they knocked out of the race?

The woman who could have been California Senator? Representative Katie Porter. She would have saved the world. She's just amazing. Amazing. You like Katie Porter, huh? Absolutely. I'm a Katie Porter supporter. I like the ring of that. Please.

please be quiet jimmy she's so brave remember last year when she was bravely photographed reading a book called the subtle art of not giving a on the house floor i love that title during the votes for speaker she was telling the world that she wasn't giving a in that moment jimmy who else could be brave enough to do that nobody certainly no man oh

Uh-huh. And she went on Bill Maher and bravely trashed that demon girl, Riley Gaines, who lost to a trans swimmer and said it wasn't fair, which is the most hateful thing that has ever happened on Earth. It's...

They should bring back concentration camps for these female athletes who don't want to lose to trans women. Kate Porter called out her evil for what it was. Hateful, evil, and evil hatred. Yes, so hateful.

Yeah. Hillary supporter, that's terrible. I mean it. I don't care. I mean it.

And after she lost, she did something amazing, Katie Porter did, and brave. She gave a speech and did not concede. Oh, no. She and her opponents used dirty politics tricks to win, which destabilizes the country if Trump does it. But if a woman does it, it's amazing. She should say nasty things. She should have sour grapes over losing fair and square because she's a woman.

I think you've gone full circle at this point and are just being sexist, Hillary supporter.

No. The idea that women should be subject to the same standards of integrity as other people is the patriarchy. Outmoded ideas of right and wrong have been oppressing women for centuries, and it has to stop. What? But now it never will because the entire state of California has been lost to the forces of darkness, i.e. men. Well, that's one way of looking at it, I guess.

But I'll tell you this, Katie isn't going anywhere. I know Katie. She's going to keep fighting for us and fight hard. This isn't over. She might get the election overturned. Who knows? Or just show up to Washington and pretend that she's the senator and scream, excuse me, when challenged. That would be a real girl boss move. That would be something.

Okay, I have to go. My anxiety is manifesting. I know the patriarchy expects me to say some funny thing that I'm going to go do when I hang up like these calls usually end.

But like Katie, I am breaking the chains and being disruptive. So there. I'm not doing anything funny after I hang up. Take that. I'm just going to sit here in darkness for hours to spite you, Jimmy Dore. Damn it, that's something funny. Yes. Forget I said that. Katie Porter, Katie Porter, supporter out. Okay, all right. Yay.

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