Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast. Boy, see you vomit. Are we up? This is Chris DeStefano's very first time ever lighting and smoking a cigar. How old are you? 40. How have you managed to get this far with no cigars? I don't know how to do any really guy shit like that. I don't know how to play pool, cigars. I don't really know how to do that, but I do know every state capitol.

Okay. Is this the right way? Yeah. He's going to vomit. I want to see him vomit on the show. I don't think he's going to vomit. Don't inhale it. You've got to get the fire. Lower your hand. Are you doing this on purpose? I swear on my kids I've never done this. No, no. I mean the way you're being retarded. Like, get the fire on the... There we go. Right on there. Get it on there. Get it on there. Get it in there. There you go. Yeah, right there.

Alright, you're good. Just start pulling. No, you're not good. How did you fuck that up? What am I supposed to do? Smoke it? You gotta inhale while you're lighting it. What you want to do is inhale all the smoke in. No, no, no, no, no. Just kind of keep... Breathe in while you're doing that. Jesus Christ. How do you get to be 40 and never have a cigar? Well, now he's a man. Now you're a man. So what do I do now?

You puff on it? It's not even lit. How did you fuck that up? I just tried to light it for five minutes. You gotta puff on it? You gotta do this, and you don't, you just, you don't inhale, you just take it into your mouth. Yeah, you enjoy the taste of it. There you go, take some little puffs. Yeah. This is not gonna work out well. Couple puffs, take a puff. Yeah, he's gonna light the whole thing, now you're good. Puff, puff, puff, keep puffin', keep it lit.

You want to keep it lit? There we go. Giannis knows. Giannis, when was the first time you smoked a cigar? I'm sorry. When I was six years old. Like a regular person. Yeah, like a regular person. With my uncle. You know what it is? How did you get to be 40 and no cigars? I think because my dad never really smoked or anything like that. Don't cry. Don't start crying. No, it's in the back of my throat. My dad never really smoked and I never really did any like man...

Kind of stuff like this and I was with my mom mostly and she was more you know, we said that I know well, it's just I got cigar in the back of my throat But I don't know what to do I also I'm just thinking about how my clothes are gonna smell like cigar smoke Yeah, no, it really does gonna mess with your head Yeah, and it messes my head cuz I'm like, I don't want to get cigar smoke on my clothes. Do you use cologne? Yes, shout out Eve st. Laurent. I'm body odor. Do you not use cologne? No, never. No, never. Oh

Maybe when I was like 18. You just go with your natural musk. Well, I wear deodorant. Right. I wear Dr. Squatch. Shout out Dr. Squatch. Shout out Dr. Squatch. Natural. It doesn't have aluminum in it. Yeah. But I wonder if it works as good. Well, there's more effect. I think there's something to the aluminum. Why would they put it in there if it wasn't effective? No, I tried the deodorant without the aluminum and it doesn't work. Dr. Squatch is good. You can take a sniff of these bits. Can I take a peek? Yeah, you can smell. Come take a sniff. Take a smell. Here, you want me to go on the other side? Come take a sniff.

They smell good. Yeah, that's right. Get in there. Wow. Not bad. Not bad, right? Yeah.

Dr. Squatch is legit. I forget which flavor it is. It's like fucking whiskey, bourbon, musk, some shit. There's pheromones in natural scents. Yeah, that's a lie. You don't think so? I mean, there's pheromones, but natural people smell disgusting. People that don't wear any deodorant, they always smell funky. Stinky, certainly. They have like, you know, your pits are, think about how it works, right? It's just getting squashed all the time. Your pits are just constantly getting squashed.

And there's hair in there, unless you're a weirdo. Yeah. So there's hair, and the hair is collecting all the sweat, and it's just getting funky. That's what made eating pussy so hard before, like, the 2000s. Before porn. Before porn. But porn used to be muffed out. Right. Yeah. But somewhere along the line, it wasn't, and then society followed. Yes. Yes.

And it changed eating pussy. I mean, it's so much more enjoyable without any fumes. Because the fumes get caught in the hair. Fumating. A lot of stuff goes on down there. Plus it's six inches from the asshole. Yeah. Not even. Yeah. Napoleon's letters to Josephine, he wanted her to have a full bush and he wanted her not to bathe for a week. When he was coming home for more, he said, I need it. I need it fucking mungy. So some guys like that.

Mungy. I don't know if it's a new word. He was involved in trench warfare. That guy had a different tolerance for shit. Yeah. You just imagine the kind of warfare that Napoleon's crew were. I mean, they had muskets. And they were also probably much more tolerant of bad smells because history smelled. Can you imagine? People bathed once a week. Yeah. Even athlete's foot. Everybody probably had athlete's foot. Stinky. Oh, yeah. Everyone. Everyone.

and they didn't have bidets yet no so your was just like they didn't have running water bro yeah they have nothing they had buckets yeah the only people who were clean the only people who were clean in antiquity muslim people they were the they were the clean ones when you read about the crusades

They said the Muslims were able to smell the Christian army coming from miles away because of how filthy they were, where Muslims were all about science and cleanliness and, you know, Dr. Squatch before it was big. Well, before the Mongols sacked Iraq...

Like they were like, that was the pinnacle of civilization. They turned the river. Was it the river Tigris? They turned it red with blood. Like that's how many people they killed. They killed the entire town of Baghdad. Like they killed everybody there.

Those people were at the pinnacle of science. Yeah, and then look you go all the way to the 1990s and you got fucking Saddam Hussein and his Psychopathic kids running shit and killing people and right that was what was left over. Yeah. Yeah same gene line It's really nuts when you think that gets into the genes like the killer kind of psychopathic. Yeah. Yeah 100% Yeah, I think good things and bad things get in your genes. I think that's been substantiated by science they said

You know that even racism can can be passed on from parent to child that makes I believe in traumatic memories Mm-hmm. I believe it. Yeah, but I feel like only now as I'm getting older am I like Oh, I have some of my mom's memories in my head. I feel like think about it like think about Let's look at the snake of simpler animals like animals like dogs like Carl why how the fuck does a dog know to pee on a tree and

How does a dog know to go to where pee is and pee on it? How do they know any of those things? They're born with it. Right. Programmed in. There's some memory. How do they know when they see another dog or an animal to bark? Right. Why are they scared of it? Like, why are people scared of snakes? Why are people scared of spiders? Puerto Ricans are not scared of snakes. Well, they probably live in Puerto Rico. Snakes are everywhere. No, I'm saying they take them as household pets. Yes. My friend Sergio's got eight of them. Eight snakes. Yeah. Sergio might be a problem. Yeah, Sergio is a problem. Sergio's going to hurt somebody. Pets.

That are snakes. Sergio used to beat up drug dealers when he was 15 with his fists. Like that was, he would get the drug, other drug dealers would pay this 15 year old kid to go beat up other drug dealers with his fists on the Lower East Side and get money. But he's a great guy and a spiritual guy. And he's the only guy I know that would beat up a drug dealer and then journal about it later. How do you know about this guy? He's our friend. He's our friend. He's a comic. Sergio Chacon. He's a comedian. He's a comic? Yeah. He's a comic and a boxing instructor.

Oh, no kidding. Yeah, he trains us both. We're fucking ready. Yeah. You look thinner, dude. You really do. You look healthy. Thank you. He does. He looks good. I've been boxing. Yeah. Okay, let me see some moves. You want to see? For real? I'll show you form. I got video of it. I'll show you form, dude. He's got a nice... You made a video today. I got a video today. He's got a nice right hand. He's not... You say you're slow, but you're not slow. But you got a nice right hand. Yeah. He tells me I got a little power in both hands.

Right. Right. So I don't know. You're a little too confident for my liking. I know. I know. And that's how it goes. And then you just get fucking stretched out. Stretched out. You'll get laid out, cuz. Yeah, you get stretched out. You have a smaller head than normal physically. So it is hard to catch. It's harder to target. Yeah, you're fucking targeted. It looks like you got a helmet on your head. Listen, the reality is both of you are going to get hit a lot. 100%. And it's way better to have a big head.

Is it? 100%. Guys with bigger heads traditionally, for a fact, take a better shot. Those are the guys like Mark Hunt. Mark Hunt, one of the greatest kickboxers of all time. Yeah.

K-1 Grand Prix champion, fought in UFC, fought in Pride, is a legend. Head the size of this table. Yeah. Body, dad body. Head the size of this table. Yeah. He was just Samoan. Yeah. Just a giant, thick dude. He was like 5'10", 250. Yeah. Right. You know? But.

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but one of the greatest chins of all time in all of combat sports. Can you see just from looking at our faces how easy it would be to, my chin's going out. I'm going out quick, right? You don't have good structure. Yeah.

I got a lady's face is what you're saying. No, you have a man's face, but there's certain faces that are easier to hurt. Yeah. Right. And his got a good jaw. But, you know, there's arguments against that. Like some guys have small jaws and somehow or another they take great punches. Right. Max Holloway doesn't have like a big square jaw. It takes a tremendous punch. Yeah. Right. I'm scared to sleep with the lights off, so I don't...

I think if I got hit... You look like you'd take a good shot, though. The structure's good. What I have, what my defense is, not against guys like you, if you don't know me, what my defense is, I look like I can take a punch. You look like you could be a complete psychopath. And I don't know any... If I could teach you how to really... Right.

find your inner psycho, you'd scare the fuck out of people. First you gotta teach me how to light a cigar. I don't even know how to do that. There's something dead behind your eyes that's very troubling if you were angry. If I was angry, yeah. Yeah, I see that. The thing is for me, Joe, and I'm just completely honest with you, when I get really angry, like you'll punch a wall or you'll do man shit, I cry.

I really, there's been many times where I've gotten so mad that I just start to tear up and cry. I've cried in front of Giannis before. When you get angry? When I get angry, I just start to cry. So there's some wires crossed somewhere in me, but we've kind of accepted. That's why I think our friendship has blossomed to the way it is because we both understand that we just have a little bit more estrogen than most guys and that's okay. We got nicked for sure. I mean, some people get fully clipped. I think we got nicked. Joe didn't get it at all. Joe got not even close to being nicked and which is rare for a comic because if

It's very usually hard to be funny and not a little bit of a feminine guy. You're a very manly guy that can be funny. That's rarity, babe. Yeah. Well, most guys that if you like hang around boxing gyms or if you hang around a lot of cops or if you hang around soldiers, they're funny, man. They're funny dudes because it's gallows humor because they're dealing with like one of my funniest friends was a special forces guy. Yeah. He's fucking hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. And he's always cracking like.

Jokes you could never repeat you know saying things you can never repeat and it's just so funny. It's like he's funny It's just funny in you know kind of a crazy way. Yeah, right and

We always say that if we were back in history like 200 years ago, we'd be the guys in the war. We'd either be hitting the drums or we would just be keeping the troops loose, laughing with the troops because we're not the kind of guy... We think we have value as men to other warrior men like yourself, but we're not going to do the fighting. But we will do the cooking, the cleaning, and the laughing. I will offer my nuts up to be a eunuch to watch the harem. It's also the experiences that you've had in your life that make you who you are right now. It's not as simple as like...

Like when I was a kid, I was terrified of everybody. That's why I learned martial arts. I was getting picked on. Right. I hated it. So I was like, all right, I got to figure out what there's only one way. The only one way is to become formidable. Right. To become the person that you're scared of. Right. So I did that. Yeah. But it wasn't because like I was this like kid that was tough like all the time. Like when I was young, I was like.

I understood how to like just be a fucking man. Like, no, I had to learn all that. Right. From from great weakness comes great strength. Yeah. Well, you recognize what it is. Right. It's thought patterns. You allow your brain to go down these very detrimental thought patterns. And you under you have to like separate you consciousness from these patterns that you allow your your attention to go down.

That's what it is. And if you can shut those off, you'll have a happier life. You have to understand where they're going. And when they go in a negative, detrimental, anxiety spiral. Now, I'm not saying this will work for everybody because I do believe that some anxiety is chemical. I believe that some people have a bad balance because I know people like that. It's a real thing. And I can never say that the way I think is the way everybody thinks. There's no way.

But I know for me that with me, I know because of extreme experiences, I know how to shut those things off. So from fighting, from hunting, from doing stand up, from doing a lot of live things where you're in front of like thousands of people. I know how to shut that part of the brain off that goes down those roads. I know what it is. You know, I've experienced it. I've never had a panic attack, but I've had anxiety and I freaked out before. And then I was like, why did I react like that?

And then you look at it in retrospect, you go, okay, I started spiral and then what if this happens? And then what if that happens? What if this happens? What if that happens? Okay, don't do that. And then get to that spot and have enough mental clarity and enough sovereignty.

control over the mind to not allow it to go down there. - It's tough when you have a comedian's brain because that's what we do, we spend a lot of time in our heads analyzing things, analyzing things, and sometimes it can turn on you. - Yeah. - Yeah. - If it starts with what if, it's anxiety pushing out of the brain, folks. - And anxiety's a liar. - What if is no good. Anxiety's a liar. - It's a liar. - Anxiety is a liar, but that what if sometimes is good. Like, what if I do this? What if I just re-look at this? What if is not bad?

What if it's attached to, what if it all falls apart? What if everyone hates me? Like every now and then I get a text from a friend that's like, hey, man, are we cool? Like, what are you talking about?

Like, what are you talking about? Of course we're cool. Like, what happened? Yeah. Oh, I just, no, no, I haven't heard from you in a while. I'm like, are you okay? Yeah. Like, what is, like, cool. Let's talk on the phone. Yeah. These are weird conversations, you know? Right. Some people just go down a road and they start thinking everybody hates them. That's narcissism, right? They just think everyone's obsessed with you. There's a little bit of that, right? Right. Unfortunately, even victims, like people that are psychologically damaged, you know,

you know, and they're depressed. Like that is a type of narcissism, unfortunately, but you don't want to like further victimize someone who's got a mental illness by saying, Oh, you're a narcissist. But if you're just only worried about how other people think of you and only worried about how you fit into everything. Yeah. That's, there's a narcissism in that. I know when I text you, I just go, Hey, there's a one in six chance. The guy's a busy guy.

That's what it is. I never take it personally. I have to get a new number, and I've been saying this for a while. I have a couple numbers, but I have to renew them.

I gotta just completely check out of these. And I never call you first because I'm like, I don't know if we got that type of friendship. You can totally call me. I can call you? Yeah, that's more friends. All right. I hug you when I see you, right? Yeah. Then you can call me. Oh, I'm calling you. There's been a couple of times I've sent you, I'm coming over for Christmas. Yeah. Now, oh wow, you're gonna be seeing a lot of Giannis Pappas popping up. Let's go. There's been a couple of times I've sent Joe voice notes and then you listen back and I'm like, I'm not sending that. And then I just don't reach out. What'd you say? What's up, Honey Bubbles? What's up, Baby Gorgeous? You know who sends me the most voice notes? Alex Jones.

Because they disappear. Oh, right. This is what they're planning. And then it fucking disappears. But you could keep them. That's perfect. Yeah, you could keep them. But doesn't he know if you keep them? Yeah. I don't want him knowing that. I don't want him knowing. No, I'll record it with another phone. That's smart. I'll, like, you know, film it. Smart, dude. Yeah. That's what the problem is. Yeah. That's perfect. I mean, it's almost like... I've known him for about 25 fucking years. I mean, if you called me and did that, I'd be like, Alex Jones... As soon as Trump gets in, they're gonna... The aliens will land. Yeah.

That's perfect. They're turning the frogs gay. Dude, I saw a video of Alex Jones, and I'm late to the game of seeing this, but how he predicted 9-11 in June of 2001. He did. I was crazy to watch that. Tucker thinks he's a savant. He's a very misunderstood guy. Right. He really is. And it's really unfortunate, that Sandy Hook thing, because if it wasn't for that, he would be way more respected and people would appreciate him for what he is. He had a psychotic break, you know, and he had...

He had a drinking problem at one time and maybe some other stuff. And he was losing his fucking mind because all day long it's conspiracies that are real. And so when you start looking for conspiracies in places that aren't real, and then I think there's also another thing.

I think there are certain people. Now, I don't know who they work for. I don't know if they're independent. I don't know if they do it just for fun. Some people create fake, compelling conspiracies and then put them online. Yeah, for sure. They do it. For content. Yeah. For views. That's true, too. Attention. But I think there's a more nefarious aspect to it, too. Oh, yeah. I think the more conspiracies that you can make look really stupid, the more the real ones...

seem preposterous because they're connected, right? Like, here's a great example. 9/11 was an inside job. That sounds fucking insane, right? That sounds completely insane that the government did that. But 51 former intelligence agents testified that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. That sounds crazy too, but that's real.

Right? If you get enough of the ones that don't make sense, like the Jews control the weather, you get enough of the flat earth ones, you get enough... It's all like... It's like the term drugs, right? The term drugs applies to nicotine. It applies to the coffee we're drinking. That's what a drug is. But it also applies to fucking meth, right? Conspiracy theories are lumped in all together, right?

just like drugs. And the best way to do that is to put a bunch of bad ones out there, really bad ones, so that the ones that are plausible, you go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Show me the Pfizer files. Why are they hidden for 75 years? Wait a minute. How many people did you test this on? Did you ever test for transmission? You never did. So when you were on TV and you're saying that, what was going on there? That's a real conspiracy. These are real people conspired to hide information and to shape a narrative that would be very, very profitable. Right. But nobody's going to believe the Jews created the weather and then also...

It's only a small group of people who are going to go. The Jews are controlling the weather. They're definitely cloud seeding in Dubai. They will crawl in your shoes, though. The Jews will crawl in your shoes. For sure. If you see them, tighten your laces. For sure there's people that can discern between a good conspiracy and a bad conspiracy. But I don't think there's a lot of them. I think it's like 30% of the population. All right, let me ask you about this one then. America maybe, yes. 30% of America. Let me throw this one out. Are you ready for this one?

Do you think it's possible, just hear me out, do you think it's possible that what this existence actually is is some type of prison planet and we are, negative emotions are being fed on by an ancient alien race that has kind of imprisoned us and the reason why monks...

and people like that go into deep meditation is because a lot of this universe is spoken through vibrations and they can get their vibrations to a certain height where they can vibrate and have so much positive energy that the prison planet rulers can't eat them and they're not stuck in this loop like we are. Where'd you get this one? This is real. I thought it was eat their negative thoughts. Eat their negative thoughts and negative emotions. Can you light me up, Giannis? I'd like to hear about that. This is such a feminine thing. He's asked you to hold the door open for him. Why don't you...

Put the umbrella over his head. Light a cigar. You're getting lit up on nicotine. Yeah, that's what it is. I feel lightheaded. Is that normal? Yeah. You may get sick, too. But it'll be fine. That's why cigars are so good for conversation. You're not going to get sick.

Cigars are so good for conversation because it gets you a little loose. Yeah. It's nice. It's a nice little buzz. So you don't think the prison plan, you don't think there's a possibility this is a prison plan from an advanced human race and they're eating our negative emotions and thoughts for fuel? Where'd you get that? Where'd you get that from? Alex Jones. No, not Alex Jones. Alex Jones has a much more detailed explanation. Interdimensional child molesters. There's a device on the moon. There's a device on the moon. That's how they reflect. That's how they reflect.

The energy goes to that. That sounds like it's possible. That sounds like some L. Ron Hubbard shit. Carl likes it. Have you ever read any L. Ron Hubbard? I know the details. I know it's a nice pyramid scheme to go up all the way. Oh, yeah, but that's just the Dianetics or Scientology. The really fun stuff is his science fiction. Do you know that he wrote the most words ever of any human being? More than James Joyce? He has the most published work ever.

Of all time. Wow. So he's like, no one has written more. Thomas Kincaid of writing? Well, he never made a second draft. Homeboy's stuff all sucked. It was all unbelievably bad science fiction.

Got it. It was unbelievably bad, like wonderful. Like so bad, it's just like, what? Have you ever seen Battlefield Earth? Yeah, that was the worst movie ever. L. Ron Hubbard is a record-holding author who holds the Guinness World Records for publishing. Most published works by one author. Most audiobooks published by one author. Most translated author in the world. Most translated author, same book, The Way to Happiness.

Very interesting. He's a special IBM typewriter with extra keys for common words. What? It was so bad. He was so bad at writing. Not only did he not edit, he needed the word ready. Do you think you might be, you keep going, you might be in line for podcasts, for Guinness World Records' most podcast minutes ever recorded. That's possible. That's very possible. Maybe. You could get that. Maybe. I mean, what's the record now?

I don't know, but who's doing nine hours a week? Only you. I might already have it. You might already have it. But that's like I already have the Guinness World Record one that Adam Carolla holds. What's that one? Adam Carolla has like the most downloaded podcast of all time. I'm like, bitch, that's mine.

You can have it though. Yeah. Keep it. Keep your name in the book. Yeah. That's mine. Well, because yeah, you have to specifically go to Guinness World Records and they have to do research and like give you a whole thing. Yeah. You have to prove it. You have to go to them to try to get it on the books and I don't give a fuck. But if they were like really checking. It's you. It has to be. Yeah.

It's been this has been number one for five or six years. Yeah, there's no way right. There's no way I'm cruel still got it. That's crazy No way, you're lying now and you do what average three every episode three hours. So it's nine hours a week average Yeah, yeah, but I'm using four usually for a week. So it's 12 and sometimes five Yeah, this week is for some weeks is five

And if it's a fight companion, like some weeks it's four and a fight companion. The fight companion might be five hours long, you know? Yeah. It's just passion, you think? Like you never say, fuck, I got to do a pod. It's always like, can't wait to do the pod. I never say, fuck, I have to do a pod. That's beautiful. Especially guys like you. I'm like, we're going to have fun. Yeah, fun. What are we talking about? We're talking about prison planets. Do you know how much we would be loving this if it never happened? Like if you never got to be around friends and just shoot the shit and smoke a cigar and laugh and crack up and talk about nonsense, like-

If you couldn't do it, it would be something you would look forward to so much. If you're lonely, if you didn't have good friends, you didn't have like, like comics are the best friends. They're the best friends to have because you could be open with them. They talk crazy. They say wild shit. You laugh together. You feed off of each other. They're the best friends. If you didn't have any comics for friends.

There's a lot of fucking sad, sad people out there. Yeah. So if you're not sad. You're saying comics aren't sad? Oh, yeah. Some comics are. Some comics are sad. Tears of a clown. Yeah. That's a little exaggerated. I think a lot of them are sad because of the whole thing we were talking about before, like narcissism and anxiety. Like comics are some awful narcissists. But you know when you really see that? When comics start attacking comics that are doing better than them. Yeah. Because it's only comics that are doing better than them. So what's happening?

Comparison, the thief of joy. Teddy Roosevelt. Yeah, all criticism comes from a place of unmet needs. A tragic result of unmet needs. And so there's this feeling, like, what about me? Me, me, me, fuck the honest. Why is he fucking history hyenas? I don't give a fuck if they're back. Fuck off. We are back. Baby, I'm a baby. It's all about me. Everybody else sucks.

Yeah. That's what it is. Isn't there a wonderful world that we live in? Isn't there chaos and beauty? Isn't there so many things to talk about? And you're going to talk about other comics? Shut the fuck up, bitch. Yeah. I agree. Shut the fuck up, you whiny bitch. Yeah. That's why it's good to have... In my opinion, we both have kids. We get lost. We'll do our work, and we'll do our stuff, have fun, and then we just play with our kids, play with the real stuff that matters, our...

Wives, our kids, hanging out with them. It definitely changes everything. Some of our peers who don't have families and it's just constantly worried about this business is like, I don't know how you're going to get off that treadmill. Yeah, that's not good. I would not be the same human being if I didn't have a family. I just would not. I wouldn't have the same empathy and compassion for people. I wouldn't understand the development of a child. I talked about this before, but I really genuinely changed the way I look at human beings.

after I became a parent because I used to look at adults like they were just oh this guy's asshole he's 36 he's a fucking dickhead now I go oh that's a baby

That's a baby that got terrible exposure to bad ideas and bad input and mean people around him. And he got, you know, thrust into this situation. So now you see him. Like when I see homeless people, I get so sad. And I see like homeless people that are just like, Mike, that's someone's baby. They held that baby. And now here's this person just leaning on the corner. You know, what is that thing they're doing? And like it's a lot of it in Philadelphia where they're like totally like lean back.

Oh, is this called crank or something? Yeah. What do they call it? It's the heroin lean. Heroin not. Kensington Philly. I don't even know if it's heroin. It's like, I think it's some new stuff. It's a new shit. This guy was like doing a yoga thing. I'm like, if you could do that, like it's essentially he's doing like a very difficult core maneuver. Yeah. Joe's like, can I do that with a kettlebell? I was wondering. I was looking at this guy. I'm like, I don't think that's good for your back, but like...

If he can hold it there, that's got to be some very good structure. Do you do that? It's a baby thing even with like Genghis Khan and Hitler. Even when they're murdering, like he's just a baby. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I do. I mean I don't forgive them. I mean it's not like it would stop me from killing them. But what it does do is it puts me in this place of instead of like thinking of everything as being static, that everything is this constant progression towards what you are now. Yeah. Yeah.

Even though, listen, dude, I love America. I bleed red, white, and blue. I stay draped in the American flag. I love our country. I believe you. I do understand terrorism, terrorists, like old school terrorists, when like, you know, if America's like bombed their country for whatever reason and killed their babies, they're like, well, now I'm going to fucking go lethal and I'm going to start killing everybody in that country when I can. I just get it where I didn't get it before I had kids.

But I'm like, if somebody did that to me and my children and took them away, I would just go crazy. I'd learn how to light a cigar and I'd start fucking killing people because I have nothing left to live for, I feel. So I get it now. Of course. I mean, it's not a coincidence that some of the scariest people live in war-torn parts of the world. Sure. Like the fighters that come to the UFC, the scariest motherfuckers are like the guys from Chechnya.

You know guys from Dagestan like those guys are terrifying. Yeah, well look at the history of that part of the world Yeah, you know I mean you have to be a hard person to fucking survive, right? Yeah, you know yeah, am I supposed to just keep holding the cigar you guys put it down No, you put it down every now and then so I just put it down and now that's gonna set the paper Sorry about that. Yeah, so all right dices cigarettes in there. So don't take the cigarettes. I'll take the fucking astra. Oh, sorry Oh

This is fun though. Why do you want to keep Dice's cigarettes in there? Because they're Dice's. He doesn't smoke them. He just takes them out and he holds on to them and he puts them in the ashtray and he pulls another one out and he holds on to it. Yeah.

He went smoking again for a while. He started smoking again, but then he stopped again. Gotta be careful of my health. You want to talk about a great father and son, but that's Dice. Dice is all about his kids. Very dedicated. His kids play the band. They play at his shows. His son is fucking amazing on the drums. He's a great guy. Dice is another misunderstood guy. Legitimate good dude. And also a legitimate artist.

Like his performance art, the weird stuff that he does in New York City for no money, for no people. Do you want the picture? Yeah. Are you asking for a picture? So few people are even watching those clips. If we haven't brought them up, like I don't know how many views they would even have. He's not promoting it. He's not trying to go on podcasts. It's amazing. He doesn't even tell you about them. You have to find them. Find them. Yeah. And if you're on a podcast, he's like, you got to see this thing I'm doing, but then

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You would never imagine that that guy sold out Madison Square Garden. That's what I was just thinking. Multiple times. Nassau Coliseum. He was the fucking man. At one point, he was like the only comedian people knew about.

He was certainly one of the only big casuals. What is also great about Dice is, you know, obviously Giannis and I both comics in New York, so we see him a lot. He's one of the most giving guys to the younger guys when he comes into the clubs. He'll tell you about, he won't tell you about his feats at Madison Square Garden and all that to tell you like how good he is. He'll say, here's where I was.

Here's where I am now. So this comedy game is like a roller coaster and I'm living proof and just stay in the game. That's what he always tells me. Just stay in the game because you just don't know. Do not quit. No, he's great. He's great. How old is Dice now? 60s? Definitely 60s. He gave me advice to go on the road when I was just hanging out at the store when I was in my 20s.

I met Dice. I couldn't believe I was meeting him. You know what I mean? It was like one of those things like I can't believe that's really him. Yeah. You know, you see a guy like when I was 19 years old, me and this girl was dating. We were listening to his cassette in my car in front of my house. I'll never forget it. We're crying. Ah!

in front of my house. So for me, that was Dice. Dice was this guy where like, I'd seen him on HBO. Like, this is crazy. He's on HBO. Like, this is so funny. To now, like, getting advice from him at the stores. Like, you should do the road. Yeah.

And I was like, really? He goes, yeah, you don't want to rely on these jerk-offs for all your fucking money. And he's like, you don't need these people to, and it's the advice I give everybody now. You don't want to be connected where you're completely dependent on one source of income. That's terrible. It's a bad place to be. He'll text me sometimes and be like, oh, Chris, can you talk?

And then if I don't answer, he'll say, call me back when your kids are sleeping. And then when you call him, because he's like, I never want to take attention away from you, from your children. So he goes, I want to talk to you when either your kids are in school or they're asleep. Other than that, he goes, you should just be focusing on your kids and not talking to anybody. So I was like, oh, wow. Dice is like really about his kids. It's like an awesome thing, you know? And then he'll go, goosh. And then he'll start telling you about, I fucking gooned on her last night.

You gotta respect your family I've noticed now when you like my conversations with people to have become like I did when I was in high school I got to wait till everyone's asleep, and then I got a yeah It's late at night one in the morning, and I only people I can talk to his comics cuz they're up And yeah, you know it's weird. You know kids don't even talk to each other. They just snapchat Yeah, most of them snapchat now. I'm learning this from my kids like like you guys don't text at all She goes I only text my family

Yeah. So like if she gets an iMessage, it's only from one of us. Right. That's it. Everything else is they're snapping each other back and forth. And they just like take a picture of this. Yeah.

And they're doing it all day long and saying something. Here's where my life is, RN. I don't think it's good. They don't want a bigger screen either. My kids don't want to go to the movies. They think the screen's too big. It freaks them out. They want to watch... The biggest screen that they want to watch is the screen that we have at home or their phone. I took them to see the movie... To a movie. They were like...

Freaked out. Too big, the screen. That's weird. Interesting. Your kids might have a little you in them. Yeah, that might be. I know. That ain't normal. I know. Do you think it's bad? My daughters are the man I wish I could be.

It's gotta be bad for them. I think it's bad. Well, it's different. What screens? It's just the Snapchat, the social media. It's not good. It's just a different way of interacting. I think everybody's like blowing it out of proportion. First of all, I think it's not good. Don't get me wrong, but I think it's inevitable. It's like if it's raining, you're gonna get wet. Shut the fuck up. Right. This is the world we're living in. It's a weird world and it's better to develop the ability to cope and handle it at a young age.

It's definitely not good. What about college? Do you think your kids, do you want them, I know we want them to go to college, but do you care if they go to Harvard or Yale anymore? Do you think that's more meaningless now than it was 30 years ago?

I want my kids to do what they want to do. I don't want to be that dad that's like, I want you to go to Yale. I don't think that's good. I don't think that ever works. I think at best you give advice. And at best you always connect advice to mistakes. Like I'll tell you what I did wrong. This is what I did wrong. That's like when I was a kid, I always fucked this up. Whenever I would like correct them about something, I was like, I did the same thing. I did the exact same thing. Everybody does this.

And this is why, and this is what you gotta know. I feel bad about stuff I did when I was five. - It's tough when you have daughters though. I can't be like, just make sure you wear a condom. I don't know what girls do to mess up. - Yeah. - It's so brutal to be a girl. You either have to get on birth control,

Which completely fucks with your hormones. Yeah completely fucks with your body also can cause blood clots like girls die from that I had a dude that I knew from martial arts and his daughter died She was 17 years old she was smoking cigarettes, and you're not supposed to smoke cigarettes when you're on birth control It's horrible yeah And nobody even knows that like nobody knows that like if they tell you it goes in one ear out the other because everybody's on birth control and you don't think about

Every father's just fucking snap like that guy and just locked his daughter in a basement for 28 years He was just like well now you're just never coming out you ever see that story that guy No, the guy locked his daughter in the aerial cash, bro No, no, no, this is I think it was in Germany or Austria one of those countries guy locked his daughter He said he had built a room downstairs a studio for her to like drums or something like that Whatever she was into and then he went ahead of going like the the most

uh, inner room of this thing that he built and he locked her in there and she did not see light again for 28 years. How is she still alive? She's alive and she's telling her story now. I think he might've raped her too. Yes. Oh God. Tons of times and had seven kids.

Oh, that guy. Yeah. Germans are weird. How about that German guy that ate that other guy's penis? He answered an ad. Well, the guy asked him to eat his penis. It is keto. And they ate it together, right? Yeah. Yeah. He ate his own dick. He ate his own penis with a buddy. It happens. Well, it wasn't even a buddy. It was a guy he met on Craigslist or something. Wires get crossed. Germans just, you know. Germans. What do you think that is?

I think it's just something in there that's very... But think about how good they are at engineering. Right. Just think about modern automobiles and how many of them originated in Germany. Yeah. Bavarian Motorworks, Porsche, Audi, Mercedes-Benz. That's kind of crazy. Yep. That most of the best cars come from this one company.

Little country? I think maybe they're Viking. They're former, you know, they're Nordic tribes. What about Iceland? Where's the great Iceland cars? They don't have shit. No, yeah, something about the Germanic people. The Germanic tribe. They like to just get things done. And they are very violent. And they don't have a lot of empathy, yeah. They're more violent than others. Because you think it's just the Nazis, but then when you look back, you're like, no, no, this has been happening. You know like the Hessians? The barbarians? The barbarians or the British?

The Germanic tribes that went after the Romans, too. Right, Germanic tribes, but they hired the Hessians. I read this article.

I read a book where they were talking about... They had letters from British Red Coat soldiers from 1776 that were writing back to their wives about how things were. And there was this one battle, I think it was the Battle of Brooklyn, where the Hessians, they had the Hessian mercenaries come first, onto land first, and they started killing the Patriot soldiers, the Continental Army, and they were cutting their faces off and sharing the faces and laughing about it. And the British soldiers were saying, these guys are...

Crazy like they're running around with other soldiers faces that they just murdered and I don't know what to do with them They're on our side, but they are nuts and that was German and then it goes all the way through to the Nazis So there's something a little different about the geography of that place You just go to their porn and you see them like yeah putting bottles in their assholes. Yeah, they just need something They need a little kick in the nuts. That's what it is. So this guys had the story a little wrong Is that Joe list?

So it was a cannibal who had an advertisement for a, quote, slaughter victim. Right. This was consensual. Okay. And then he ate 44 pounds of his flesh after killing him. Accompanied by potatoes and a pepper or wine sauce served on good crockery.

So he wanted to die, in other words. No, there was. It was like an assisted suicide. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was penis, too. They ate the penis. They did. They fried and just tried to eat it. But it wasn't a surprise kill. This man wanted to be killed. Yeah. But it brings up underworld cannibalism in Germany. About 800 people. Yeah. What? So in other words, it turned him on to be eaten. Yeah, they wanted it. That was his kink. Right. He wanted to eat. Look at this. What was fascinating to the media and the public was the testimony in which, how do you say his name? Mews?

Mews revealed his obsessions and lifted the lid on an underworld of cannibalism, which Mews claims counts about 800 members in Germany. Mews told the court he regretted killing Brandis and has apologized to his victim's boyfriend.

but he remained unrepentant about eating his flesh, saying it was the ultimate kick both of them were seeking. Right. How about this one? Psychologists have told the court that he was mentally sane. Right? I believe it. Sometimes you just like to eat. We did a whole history of hyenas episode.

on John D. Rockefeller and we found that one of John D. Rockefeller's nephews, I think Michael Rockefeller, was an eager guy, wanted to film everyone in the Amazon and whatever, and he went into this one part with the Azmat troops, the Azmat tribe they were called, and they just fucking ate him. They ate the kid. It wasn't sadistic to them. They were like, this is food right here. We're just going to eat this dude. And no one ever saw him again. He was fully eaten by cannibals. Rockefeller's

Yeah. So you're just like, that happens. Where was this? Where'd he go? Was it the Amazon somewhere? It was the Asmat tribe. Asmat tribe. Up in New Guinea, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, Popping in the Guinea. Sorry about that. Yeah, a lot of cannibals. Rockefeller disappeared while on expedition to hunt for primitive art. His catamaran capsized in heavy tides and swift currents at the mouth of the Elanden River. He and his friend clung to the canoes for nearly a day, but Rockefeller decided to swim to the 12 miles to shore. He was never seen again. Dutch government conducted an intense search, found no trace of Rockefeller was ever found. Case was closed.

How do they... Journalist and author Carl Hoffman conducted a four-month investigation into Rockefeller's disappearance. He traveled to the same villages by the same routes Rockefeller had used, recorded witness accounts, and found documentation that he believes was intentionally covered up. I think he was eaten. Well, they say he was. They eat a lot of people there. That's a part of the world. That part of the world in New Guinea is really wild. Like, some of the tribes... Do you know about the...

the whole pedophilia aspect of certain aspects of New Guinea? No. I know history agrees. This is wild. Young boys at a certain age in this tribe are taken away from their mothers and they live with their penis father. And then they fuck these kids and they think that the way the kid grows to be strong is by taking in semen orally and anally.

And so there's like this continual cycle of pedophilia and kid rape that's just incongruous.

ingrained in the culture. See if you can find that. At the end of the day, I think we just live either by good ideas or bad ideas. That's a bad idea. Well, if you get a guy like L. Ron Hubbard, that's very persuasive and can trick people into things. So this is the beliefs of the semen tribe of Papua New Guinea. Write a passage, denotes a bot's passage from... I think that's probably a boy's.

It's probably a typo. A boy's passage from boyhood to adulthood consists of six stages, which can take anywhere from 10 to 12 years to complete. Throughout most of the six stages, the act of having a stick of cane inserted in the nostrils and the performance of fellatio are integral to the process of becoming a man. So sucking dick is integral to the process. You've got to do it. The two practices have been described as inhumane, homosexual, and child abuse.

with such actions meaning prison in most countries, a topic we will delve into later. For now, the big question was, why would they do this? In short...

Right.

Oh, all right. There's no way this society was not formed by some crazy guy who was on a serious, seriously high dose of psychedelics. Hold on. Go back. Go back. Look at this. After the ceremony is complete, the men then get married and live heterosexual lifestyles with the exception that they will now be the ones receiving rather than giving the fellatio. Maybe they're right. What if they're right?

So just having kids blow them, but they're straight. Oh, I'm totally straight. But what we're seeing now, this is cringe, but if you go back to the 1400s or whatever, this was just life. Alexander the Great, one of the most manly men of all time, we did a whole episode on him, found out he had a full boyfriend the entire time that the people celebrated him for. And a eunuch. And a eunuch lover. And he banged out kids and eunuchs. That was a big part of sex back then.

in those days you got a eunuch you found a boy that you thought was handsome clipped his nuts removed any sexual urges he had and then he would watch your harem of women that you had that you would take for the empire and then you would bang him out and it wasn't gay you know Nero what Nero did

wildest one. The wildest one of all. With a slave boy. Oh, yeah. What was his name? Sporus. You look like my wife, so let me chop your dick off, and now you're going to be my wife. That's it. And then he married him, and then he wanted to be the woman in the marriage. Yes, Nero wanted to be the wife. He threw on the bride's dress going down the aisle. That's how it was, and everyone had to clap. That eunuch's name was Sporus, and he had a really unfortunate life. Was it Echabellus, too? Wasn't there another one?

Or was it Sporus? I think it was Sporus. I think we did an episode on Sporus. We did do an episode on Sporus. Yeah. And then didn't he pass him off to somebody else too? Got sick of him? Like, you take him. Yeah. And then he wanted to marry his horse. And then he would dress down. Nero would go into like peasant clothes and he would want to go into all the different brothels and fuck everybody and do. And then if you found that he was Nero, he'd kill you. Nero is. He's the wildest. If you get into the mind of Nero. Yeah. When we did that episode, we were blown away by what.

this guy used to fucking do. He definitely had S, he definitely had syphilis that ate his brain. All those guys back then had it. He also would go with like a group of his friends and he would put himself in disguise and they would just go beat people up and kill them on the street just for fun. That's what they wanted to do. He would have a mask on so nobody recognized him and he just got off on it. Yeah, he was just a... Back then, that's how they used to roll, man. Jeez.

I mean, if you wanted a girl back then, you know, you would just, I guess an emperor, you just go down the street and go, she's for Rome. And then just go like that. Parents would cry and he would just go. Women. Yeah, just this one. You're for Rome. You're for the emperor. If you were that beautiful, you just got taken for Rome. And that's the way the cookie crumbled back then. Unfortunately. You got that power in Austin. To anyone. You could go.

You're for Austin. You're for the mothership. Yeah. Imagine living back then, man. Do you think this is Republican Hollywood now? Austin? This place? Yeah. I don't think Austin was even Republican until about four years ago. Yeah. A lot of the country's Republican now. Yeah. Most of California is now. Yeah. Very bizarre. Yeah. Just the high population density cities that are still blue. They're still clinging on to the dream. Yeah. Right. Right.

Did you see the San Francisco lady they just hired? No. A czar to stop fat phobia. Have you seen this lady? No. It's wonderful. Hold, please. Okay. Let me say this. Because this is a city that's completely crumbling, that has no resources. It has enough money to hire this person. My daughter's in the 95th percentile right now, so I agree with her. I don't want anyone to make fun of fat people. Oh, it's not making fun of fat people. It's literally encouraging people to be

fat. Oh, they're encouraging to be fat. It's saying there's nothing wrong with being fat, which is crazy. You know, it's one thing if you don't want to be mean to people because they're fat, yes. And, you know, if you can encourage them to be healthy, yes. I mean, I'm not the expert on GLP-1 agonists

But this lady is out of her fucking mind. Huh. You know, I think there's probably a lot of side effects to a lot of these drugs that people are taking to get skinny. But at least it's moving you in the right direction because being fat is killing you. Right. Jamie, I just texted it to you. I'm actually giving for Christmas a few of my friends Wagovi. Yeah. For real? Yeah. No, I mean, I'm joking, but. Oh. Yeah? Yeah.

It was a nice bomb. It was a nice bomb. At least we're not talking about grizzly bears. We're talking about grizzly bears. Let's take a look at this. This is so crazy. CRFI. You're like many women. You've been to a birthday party or a small office gathering. An event that's meant to bring people together.

There's swinging tunes, some adult beverages, and good convo. And then it comes time to cut the cake and someone decides to ruin everything. Oh my god, that slice is huge! That slice is bigger than Beyonce's paycheck. Give me half of half of that. A cake-related fatphobic incident or CRFI

is that moment when it's time to eat delicious cake and it's interrupted by a moralizing impulse. Inevitably, there's always someone at the party who has to declare publicly that their slice is too large and that the person who's cutting the cake, almost invariably a woman, must do some disproportionate amount of labor in order to accommodate their need to feel superior. Let's take a look.

Can you do a little bit, just like, can you like scrape all the frosting off and cut it in half and give me two forks 'cause I'm sharing. Small, like a little bit more, like tiny, no, like less, less than what you're smaller, please. Could you just cut my piece into 12 equal symmetrical little pieces and put each one into a tiny little Tupperware? - What the fuck are they talking about? - So that I can have a bite for each month of 2018.

Thanks. This is... Let's take a step... This is what, like, statistically, they've shown that 60% of liberal women are mentally ill. 60. Right. Well, how do you... This is what that is. How do you... This is mental illness. Who polls that? Anybody who's answering a poll is mentally ill, so it's a bad sample group. Yeah, I think it's a bad sample group. I don't think anyone who ever answers a poll is mentally sane.

You know, they say you can't judge a book by its cover, but you can definitely judge a conversation by its haircut. It's what it is. That girl with the red hair, if I saw her, I'm going, I'm staying far away from that chick. I'm being honest. Let's be honest. Me and you have the kind of easier lives because our wives are Republican. Let's be honest. That's why. Look, if...

It definitely helps. Listen, it just- Well, it's not that she's Republican, my girl. She's an old school Latina where she's just more like, I don't know, Chris, you're going to have to get out there and work, get up there and fight. And when she hears shit, she's like, this is annoying. I got to take care of my kids. We got to do shit. I'm just not going to get sucked into the bullshit. She's kind of like just a, you know, she's an old school woman. Old school women like that, that's how it is. Yeah, that's great. But what this is about is a complete collapsing of a civilization.

Yes. San Francisco is woke peak. That's like the epicenter. That's the event horizon of wokeness. Right. And these motherfuckers who have no money for anything, they can't clean the shit, the human shit off the streets, they hired this lady to make the dumbest video about the size of cake. Like, isn't it okay to want a small piece of cake? Why do I have to eat a big piece of cake?

and it makes you feel better. Yeah. Because you want to be a glutton and just saddle up to that fucking cake and just shove it in your face. Right. And here's the thing. Those people are never going to be at a party with anyone who's ever going to judge them anyway. So who are they even talking to? Right. You know? Well, it's one girl who might not want to stuff her face. Yeah, but at that party- And they're like, come on!

It's like the guy who wants you to keep drinking. That's all you had? Right. Have a shot. It's the same thing. Alcoholics always want you to do shots. Sure. People who are addicted to food want you to eat bigger slices of cake, and they make this ridiculous video. It's stupid. The mental gymnastics you have to do to make that video and then look at it and think, I think we're making a solid point. Yeah. And we'll break down the first letters of it, C-F-R-I. Do you think it's the collapse of a civilization, like the way Rome got a little...

you know, zany at the end? Or do you think this is unique in that humans have so much time on their hands because of the industrial revolution and then the technological revolution on top of that. So this is just a consequence of the tech revolution where nobody, you know, people working from home, everyone's working on their computer, it's a talking shit economy and nobody's got, they're losing their mind because they don't have purpose.

Well, there's that too, right? But all civilizations collapse. So let's take a look at why. So most civilizations, they're a monarchy, and it's usually they're run after they die by their children. And that's how it all falls apart. Even if you look at like Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan, his family couldn't hold up.

They couldn't run things the way he did. They didn't know. They didn't understand strategy. They didn't understand. He was a wild dude. He's a wild dude. So his kids did a good job. They hung in there for a couple hundred years. After a while, it all fell apart. But our society is different in that we have essentially we have a republic. Right. So we have a democratically elected republic. And.

They've done a lot to try to circumvent that. They've done a lot to try to have ultimate control over the media, ultimate control over the military, ultimate. And it's mostly people that aren't even elected. Right. So there's a lot of like weirdness that's moved us closer and closer towards a monarchy, closer and closer towards tyranny. And then once it gets into tyranny, then you can only do that for so long. That lasts forever.

you know, for as long as they can keep it going. You know, Rome did it for a long time. There's a lot of civilizations that hang in there, but eventually it all falls apart. If we can avoid that, there's no reason why we can't keep it together. We just have to make sure we avoid these very predictable patterns that the people...

The people that founded this country, when they wrote the Bill of Rights, when they wrote the Constitution, they were trying to mitigate the effects that are just common in any group of society that's run by individuals or by a small group of people. They want ultimate control. It makes it easier for them to stop anybody from taking the power once they have the power. Look at Jill Biden. She's still like, you did so great. You answered all the questions. She wanted him to keep going.

She wanted him because she didn't want to not be vice president or whatever first lady. She didn't want to not do that. Sure. It's power. That's what it is. It's that ultimate control and power. And it's hypnotic for human beings. Do you do you think then that we're going to be in a part of society in the next 30 years where we're going to start getting ruled by AI? Is that possible?

100%. Give me that, Leonard. Yeah. Yeah, that's 100%. Yeah, there's no getting around that, man. So you think the president's going to be AI at some point? Do you know about the Google quantum computer, these studies that they've done? I've heard of it, but I don't know what it is. They're more than that. Mark Andreessen talked about this, and this is the craziest statistic I think I've ever heard. He was talking to us about the potential that quantum computing has, but now...

There's an equation that quantum computers solve quickly, like in a couple minutes, that if you converted the entire universe into a computer, the entire, every atom in the universe into a giant supercomputer, it would take so much time to solve this equation that the universe would die of heat death before the universe as a computer can solve this. And these quantum computers can solve it in minutes. Right.

And what that means, they believe, is that this is proof of the multiverse. Is that this quantum computer is somehow connected to other sources of computing power in an infinite number of universes. And it's happening simultaneously. That's the only thing that would make sense why this thing is able to solve this this quickly. Wow. So you're basically talking about...

The infinite potential for IQ that we can't even imagine. We don't even know how smart they're going to get. So think about how strong ChatGPT 4 is, 4.5. 4.5, so you can find this article. ChatGPT tried to copy itself when it found out it was being shut down.

So when they're about to make a new chat GPT, chat GPT decided that it was going to try to, in an unauthorized way, trying to copy itself. So it's trying to stay alive because a new one's coming. But this is conventional computing. Now imagine taking the kind of intelligence that could lie and manipulate data in order to form an opinion. It does weird stuff. It lies about stuff.

Right. If they don't have an answer to something, they have a thing called hallucinations where they'll make up an answer. They just make up an answer like a crazy person in the 1980s before Google. Right. They just tell you exactly like L. Ron Hubbard. Right. So this computer is just – this is like regular computers. This is the standard supercomputers that we're all currently having. Right.

What's going to happen with quantum computing is you're going to have computing power that's beyond your imagination that's also connected to AGI. Bro, can I ask you a question? Yeah. Yeah. So there's a Chachi PD's new model attempts to stop itself from being shut down, later lies about it, lied about it.

It tried to copy itself and then overwrite its core coding system after believing that it was at the risk of being switched off. Whoa. Yeah. So now you add that to quantum computing and you have a god. Now you add that to what's going on with the drones and Joe Rogan just solved what's going on with the drones. It's fucking AI launching these drones on their own.

Could be. AI has decided to go rogue and is throwing them out there and it's doing it probably for the same what we did when we got technology. We all started jerking off. Right. Porn got huge.

And maybe AI is just peeping Tom, looking at windows and stuff, trying to get some material to jerk off. When you say AI, do you mean Chinese? I mean Chinese. Because you're saying the Chinese, that's who the drones belong to, the Chinese. Is that what you think? I mean Chinese. That's what we're thinking over here on the East Coast. We're just thinking it's got to be the Chinese. They've been doing it for a couple years. That's what we're thinking. You know they've been doing it for a couple years. Well, you know, they don't have the restrictions that we have as far as the FAA.

Right. So the FAA, it puts a lot of restrictions on drone manufacturing, which is why most drone manufacturing is done in China, like the real high-end stuff. Yeah. It's difficult to do because in order to fly some of them, you have to have a pilot's license. Yeah. So that gets real squirrely. You don't have to go to fucking flight school to pilot a drone. In China, they don't have any of those restrictions. And they also have a lot of resources that they're pouring into drone technology.

Have you seen that fucking dragon thing that they do? Send a cube of drones in the sky and then the lights all change and it becomes a dragon. Fucking amazing. That's wild. Amazing. They're just coming. They're coming. They're coming hard. As I think you call them, they're the new Jews.

The Chinese. We did say that. Yeah, we did say that. Meaning that they're going to rule the world. To be honest, we said that on a Patreon episode. That's supposed to be behind a paywall. Oh, that's supposed to be behind a paywall. We're all joking right now. You've got to go to patreon.com slash historyhaheenus for that. You just said that to about 10 mil. So now we're fucked. It's a joke. It's a joke. But that shit's on Patreon. It's a joke.

Wait, the fact that you just said ChatGPT lies is actually really making me nervous. I'm not even kidding around because I just put a down payment on a house and my accountant told me I couldn't afford it, but then I asked ChatGPT if I could and ChatGPT said yes. So I went for it and now I swear to God, dude, I'm a little nervous because he told me you cannot afford it and I said, let's go for it, baby. And I asked ChatGPT and they said I could.

Yeah, ChatGPT knows my name, has memory of the previous conversations we were going to have. Yeah. Yeah, so what can you do? It's getting wild. It's nothing compared to what's coming. Yeah. Just ChatGPT 5. See how much stronger ChatGPT 5 is supposed to be. I think Sam Alton was saying just magnitudes. I know, but I still think it's theoretical because they're still going to move on to 4.5. There's multiple versions of 4 that they still keep putting out. Yeah.

Yeah, that's not what I asked. I know. I know. But just just Google what how much stronger is chat? I've looked this up every time you talk about it. It's still in theory if it's ever even going to come. Jamie just looks good in headphones. You got a good headphone head. Yeah. Well, he's had a headphone on for a long ass time. You can't paint the picture Jamie without those headphones on. You look good, dude. Fucking damn. I walked Carl. Carl's fucking pissed. When? Carl's asleep, dude. Carl's asleep. You don't get an answer.

It doesn't say it? Faster response times and the ability to handle more simultaneously. I know that someone was talking about the levels of magnitude stronger that it was going to be. It might have been Sam Altman. It will be, but it's not what they're doing next. They're still going to do 4.1. I'm not at 4.1, but 4.5 is the next discussion. 4.5 isn't out right now? No. What's out right now? 4.01 is the thing they're talking about right now. That's the one that hit

hit itself. You know what's really nutty is that four years ago you never heard nothing about it. No. And in four years it's become something that you, kids keep getting busted using it to write papers. And now in my stepson's high school a kid, a really smart kid wrote a paper. He's saying he wrote it on his own but they're saying it's Chachi PT. But he's saying I wrote this and there's no real way to know because it's different enough from the Chachi PT but it's

It also could be based off ChatGPT. I don't know. And he was telling us about how, like, there's a big uproar in the school about it. Well, if you're correct, right? That's the problem. If a kid is really correct, it's going to be exactly what ChatGPT says. Like, if you're laying out some story about Napoleon and you know all the facts and then you pump that story into ChatGPT and it gives you basically the same group of, you know. Yeah. It's like...

You could change. I mean, that's like joke thieves, right? They change a little bit. Yeah. They change a little bit and they'd be like, no, that's my bit. And you're like, everybody knows. Yeah.

So, like, you're going to know what kids are full of shit, you know? Yeah. Can't we just unplug them if they get out of hand? Just unplug them. I don't think you can anymore. No, it's going to get to a point where you're not going to be able to do that. Why? Well, first of all, Google's AI, one of the things that they're going to do with their AI center is that they're going to attach it to nuclear power plants. So find that story. So I think Google wants to build three nuclear power plants just to power its AI systems.

Right. So all that stuff's going to be controlled by computers, obviously. You know what's wild that I did see our fans posted on History Hyenas? They posted asking ChatGBT to do an episode in our voices, and ChatGBT did it. Just did it like that. It's wild. Easy, easy.

Easy. It's like I'm Chrissy D. AKA and I was like what the hell? Yeah. Yeah, it's why they could do it in seconds Google signed a deal to use small nuclear reactors to generate the vast amounts of energy needed to power its artificial intelligence data centers the company Says the agreement with Kairos power will see it start using the first reactor this decade and bring more online by 2035 Damn, they all know what's coming. I

These fucking eggheads. These eggheads that have been stealing your data forever. Forever. All that, like finding what you're interested in shopping, all that, selling your data. Yeah. All that's led to them being insanely wealthy, and they financed the birth of God. Do you think that the first person who will live forever is alive right now? Who will get their consciousness uploaded and technically never die? Is that person alive right now? I don't know if they're ever going to be able to do that download consciousness thing. Right. That seems so theoretical. Right.

Like, what does that mean? Like, also, what kind of torturous hell are you living in if you're conscious but you're trapped in a computer? Like, you don't die? Like, that might be the worst life you could ever fucking imagine. Right. Part of what might connect us to life...

joy and happiness is the fact that there's ups and downs and that it could go away and that sometimes people die and then you really care about the people that you see you feel about differently about them you feel so much loss for the you I wish I talked to him more I wish I you know I think it's all connected if you're nothing but alive

You don't have, well, who knows if you, do you have emotions? Yeah. What do you feel? Is that hell? Put no point to anything. Right. Hey, Joe, if I don't see you today, I'll see you in the next. Whenever. You won't see nobody anywhere. Like, would you be motivated to stay jacked and hot if you knew you were not going to die? So what would you do? If you download your conscience, would you download it into another brain?

body and live life and what kind of life would you live knowing that you could live forever? You'd be so weird. You'd probably be like a rich kid that grew up with a giant trust fund. You're just doing coke and driving Ferraris into the river. You're out of your fucking mind because your life doesn't make any sense. Yeah, you'd be jumping off buildings. You'd be that times a thousand. Times a million. It would be fun to be murdering a guy though and him not dying. You can't do it. That would probably become like

Everything would become so trite and numb that you would probably like to be murdered. There might actually be less violence in the world because you're like, you know, like you get it all out, nobody dies, and you start to be like, I'll find another way to get these emotions out. Your hair looks good today, by the way. Did I tell you that? Yeah, I want to hang an ornament right off that curl for Christmas. Sometimes Giannis is a very interesting guy. He looks like he has hair one day and then no hair the next day, but today he's got a full head of hair. Yeah, I do look like...

Every picture, I look like a different person. And what's good about us is we form one complete person because his eyes, if you look close, are too close together and mine are a little too far apart. So when we come together, we form one regular face. That's exactly right. And he's got a small head. I got a big head. And then we form together as one. You know what happened to me? When I was using clear, you know, you ever use clear where you put your fingers on to go through the airport clear? So the eye thing never worked for me.

So I just thought something was wrong with their programs every time I put my fingers on. And then finally I went there and they're like, the finger thing's not working. You got to use the eyes. So I just said, your program's not working. It never works. And the guy looked at me and he said, I think the problem is your eyes are too close together. Seriously, it's a real thing. And then he said, why don't we try one eye at a time? Yes.

So then I just scanned my face across and I think finally clear registered that I was a three-dimensional person and not like a mythical cycloptic creature. Yes, and it's true. And you know what we do is we speak things into existence. Like for years we've been calling him Special Needs Stamos because he's a Greek kid and he looks like Stamos if he had special needs. And now John Stamos is his friend, which is a beautiful thing. Yeah. It's come out. We've spoken to him. And reality is a suggestion. That's what we think. We had a t-shirt for you that said reality suggestion. But we forgot it. Yannis forgot it. I forgot it. Like a fucking...

FF. So you mean reality is a suggestion like we're in a simulation? We initially brought it up because it was during that era where everyone was doing stuff like that. You know, the fat phobia cake stuff. So we were just going like we're living in this era where reality is a suggestion and we were making stuff up. But

Also, the way we cover history, we don't do it right. We don't do it wrong. We just are amateur historian enthusiasts. We're basically chat GBT sluts that Google it and then have fun with it. Because, listen, history is a story. We can get the facts kind of right, and we're concocting a story. No historians were actually there, right? But we're just getting enough right. We're having fun with it, and that's what we like to do. Well, it's also well within your rights to be talking about history. History is all of ours. Yeah.

Yeah, I did that history can only be discussed by a historian is fucking ridiculous nuts Yeah, there's history is fascinating and there's a lot of shit online. You could instantaneously get the facts Yeah, just the facts alone or not. We just on we just did on the last episode. We did it was called operation unthinkable or

Winston Churchill, you know about Operation Unthinkable? No. Dude, we were just doing an episode on Winston Churchill. This is wild. And then we start discovering this shit, and we said, dude, this is a Patreon episode. We can't... Operation Unthinkable, Winston Churchill, the man who was, you know, protecting England, killing the Nazis, when the war was over, when Nazis were out...

He said, I don't like the way the United States and Russia are getting so close together. Oh, yeah. I do know a lot of this. So he said, you know what? Someone's going to have to knock the Russians out. And the British were like, we don't have the manpower right now. So he literally went to parliament and said to them, here's an idea. We're calling it Operation Unthinkable. We need to knock out Russia before they become the next superpower. And then they're going to attack us.

You know how we have 40,000 German prisoners of war right now, Nazi prisoners of war? Let's give them guns and we'll march them into Russia and we'll be side to side with them. And that was his literal, he wanted to team up with the Nazis to try to take over Russia. And that's, as we call it on the show, a truth baiter Ginsburg. That's a fact, baby. And that, when we uncovered that, we were like, so none of this history, as we're taught in school, say,

Same thing we uncovered that they knew, allegedly, Churchill and FDR knew about the Holocaust, but it was yielding scientific data, so they let it kind of go. They may believe they didn't know, but they let it go, and then once they just started killing people with no science, they said, okay, let's liberate them now. What scientific data was it yielding?

Supposedly because Nazi scientists were doing different types of experiments with Holocaust victims and they were getting some type of scientific data because they didn't care if they lived or died. So they would inject them with some type of chemical or some type of, you know, machinery. Yeah, it's this book I read called The Nazi Symbiosis. They talked all about it.

It was wild to read that on a plane with a big swastika on the front cover. That's... That was wild. What you want to do if you have to read that book is put a yarmulke on. Yes. Don't you remember when you were a kid, how do you make your own book cover? Like fucking paper bag? Yeah. I just walked onto JetBlue with a swastika. That wasn't a good idea. Or just put a female wig on and just say you're trans and they leave you alone. That's it. And just say, hey, I'm cake shaming. The problem is you look like Aryan.

I know. That's the problem. That's the issue. That's the problem. I get a little triggered around him because the Nazis did occupy my home country of Greece, and I get a little triggered by his German presence. He's a German kid from Ridgewood, and sometimes he rooted in history. When he was growing up, he said just for fun. He always kind of rooted. Sometimes you root for that side. Let me clarify. I wasn't rooting for the Nazis. What I was saying was I was...

But you just... Yeah. What I was saying was this. Just hear me out. One, I think it's an undeniable fact they did have the best uniforms. They were cute. Designed by Hugo Boss. They were cute marching in. That's an undeniable fact. Number two, just hear me out. If you listen...

To a Hitler speech, AI generated what if they translated into English, okay, and you just churned out Deutschland for America and you're just listening, you don't know that's Hitler. What Hitler's saying is it just pumps you up. It's horrible what he did. I've seen it. Yeah. There's English translations of it. It's really weird. Yeah. Like when he says, when he's, there's a speech where he says, we're up against Germany. We are up against Germany.

England right now, we are two superpowers and the only way to prevail is one must be destroyed and it will not be Germany. And the crowd goes nuts. You start to say like, holy fucking shit. This guy was a headliner. Yeah. He was. You would have that guy in the mothership on a Friday, Saturday, no problem. Yeah, it's weird when you see it that way, right? Yes. And it's also weird when you see the horrors of the war escalate till eventually it becomes the Holocaust.

Right. And it's also weird the ubiquitous drug use. Have you read that book? Do we have it still here, Jamie? Or is it in the other room now? I think everyone during war is on something. What, with the crystal meth? The Ponser chocolate? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ponser chocolate. Yeah, it was blitzed. Yes. It's a fucking crazy book. And I had the author in here and he's explaining. There it is. Here it is. Norman Oller. This book is fucking nuts. Nice. This is nuts. They had the-

Can I take that for the plane? No, this is my book. Oh, sorry. Fuck off. Go buy one. Amazon. Amazon.com. Don't you have an audio book reader thing? No, I like to read the words. I can't really listen. Oh, okay. Yeah, I have a weird brain like that. Well, you can get regular books on your phone. Yeah, I feel like I'm addicted to the phone. I like to read the paperback.

Yeah. Probably better. Yeah. But, you know, to each their own. But if it wasn't for drugs, they would have never done 90% of the things they did. And then they just descended into madness. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And a lot of Germans, those five years from 1945 to 1950, that suicide rate of German soldiers coming home was through the roof, Papi, because they were coming off meth. They were getting ostracized by their own people and the rest of Europe. And they were saying, what did I do? Some of them actually were obviously, a lot of them were just horrific people that were sadistic. But a lot of these guys also, it's not like they had a choice. They had to fight in the Nazi armor or they would be killed. And then they were all drugged out. So then the suicide rate tripled.

Yeah, but let's not act like it was just the drugs. I mean, the whole Jewish thing was nothing new. I mean, I have a theory about that. It's like the Jews just always figured out a way to flourish in wherever they were, and they're just good at economics. And I think when a country goes through economic hardships and everyone's suffering, they just look at the Jews and they go, they just get jealous. And they go, what are they doing? And then it's an easy scapegoat. Jews just crush it in money, dude. They're just good with business. They're better at money. They're just good.

I know, man. They're just good with it. Yeah. Did you have a Jewish guy who told you not to buy that house? Huh? Yes. And I overrode the Jew for Chachapiti. That's the problem. That's the problem. Unless my Chachapiti could be Jewish, too. I don't know. I've never asked at that. It's probably Chinese. They're just smart. They emphasize education, and they're really good, and they've been able to flourish in

Under adversity. I think there's also they stick to their own and that drives people wild. Right. You know, they don't like that. Yeah. Right. But every, I mean, Greeks do. Greeks do the same thing. Sure. A lot of groups. A lot of ethnic groups. Yeah. Greeks are pretty, you guys, when getting to really know Janus, well, you guys have a lot of inbred qualities. I mean, look at my eyes. Yeah. Yeah.

My generations were a little bit further apart than his. He might have been third, fourth cousin. I'm eighth, ninth. Yeah. It's not going to hit. You go back to the Toba volcano eruption, the whole entire population of Earth was down to a few thousand people. Wow. So we all come from those people. So we're all little inbred. A little.

A little bit, right? It's got to be. I actually have a lot of... I got some Turkish genetics in me. I did 23andMe. So they have my DNA. So they can pin anything on me. They got you. They got me. Well, that was raped into your great-great-great-grandmother. Unfortunately. The Ottoman Empire. This is a true story. My grandfather is from the island that used to be called Imbros, which is now called something with a squiggly line over it because it's a Turkish word. The Turks took that island back and my grandfather...

was sent away to Alexandria by my great-grandparents because the local...

Ottoman viceroy or whatever they called it. They have a word for it, but he was essentially a viceroy, was like raping boys. So they sent him away and he never saw his family again. He went to live in Alexandria and then he came to America and yes, he opened a diner. Right. Yeah, after he worked his way there. What about that story you told me? I think it was your mom or your mom's sister in the town. Oh, dude. Tell them that story with the tank. Yeah. Lex Friedman loved that episode. He told me about that. Dude. We did a Battle of Crete episode and it's true because my mother...

was a little child during the occupation of Crete. The Battle of Crete is a wild... His mother grew up in Nazi-occupied Greece. Yeah. Wild. And so what the Nazis would do is...

is they would take a girl from the village because they were marching troops all over the place, through the mountains. The guerrillas, the Greek guerrilla fighters, which was the local populations, they were also with the British and New Zealand and Australian troops, but they would pluck them off because they knew the terrain and they would just, they would pluck them off, guerrilla warfare. So the Nazis were so brutal but smart in a devious way, they would take a girl from the village and put her up high on the truck

to march through that area of that village so the guerrillas wouldn't shoot.

So they were going to take my aunt, my mom's mother. So they sent my aunt to go hide in the mountains. And the Nazis came to my mother's parents' house, to her house. And my mother was like seven at the time. And they came with their flashlights. They pulled the sheets back of my mother. And supposedly she was too small. So they kind of knew they wanted a girl who was like teenager, kind of tall. So it wasn't too brutal because it was like a little kid.

But it was like enough that it would ward off the gorillas from firing at them. But what is a gorilla? Because if they missed or if they got, Nazi got shot, then they would kill the girl on the truck. Yeah, they're basically going, it's basically a hostage. Going like, we're taking a village girl, putting her up and making her visible because they don't know the terrain. Crete is very mountainous, you know. And so then we do that. And they were going to take my aunt.

So a family friend who worked for the Nazis because he spoke German warned my family about it and then that's when they sent my aunt to go hide in the mountains. Oh my God. Wild stuff. Right. And then my mother said that there was a Nazi soldier who would come to their house every single day. They had to let him in and he'd go to a room every day and they didn't know what he did in there. It's a family mystery. Nobody knows what he did. They let him in. He'd go to a room by himself.

and nobody knows what he did. Maybe he took a nap, maybe he was a spy, maybe he was a double agent. - He just had to let them in. - Had to let them in. Occupation for three years. - That is what's really scary about people, that they could justify that kind of thinking and behavior.

It's scary that that's happened throughout history. And that's probably a civilized version of what would have happened in 1200. Oh, yes. Well, like Man's Search for Meaning with Viktor Frankl. You ever read that? No, I haven't. Viktor Frankl, he survived the Holocaust, but he wrote it during while he was in a concentration camp. And he was saying, I think it was, call it 1942. He was saying, if you would have told me and the people here in 1922,

that this would be happening to us, we would say, no, no, no, those are the barbarians from 100 years ago that would ever do that. And now here I am, sleeping in my own filth, maybe being put into an oven, so it can happen anywhere. And he said that the piece, you know, he wrote it like, you know, it was like in the 60s or 70s. He was like, you know, the...

He grew up in wartime, so all his people want peace. And he was like, it's the kids that he worries about that grow up during peace. They're just going to beg for war, always. He was like, that's just what will happen to them because they don't know anything other. He was like, but if you went through war, you don't want this. You don't want to fight anybody. I bet it's very abstract for the people that are calling for war. It's like Lindsey Graham talking about, we got to give that money to Ukraine. Like Lindsey Graham doesn't know jack shit about being shot at.

No. That's a story as old as time, right? The politicians sending the boys. As old as time. Yeah. And we do it, it seems, mostly for corporate interests. No, you don't think we're more of a corporate oligarchy? Like more than like a feudal...

Like you were mentioning before, the emperor, the king dies, the sons. We're kind of more, this is like a new kind of corporate oligarchy. It's hard to just call it corporate because it's also connected to government. Like corporate and government, just like the Chinese, are inseparable now.

Right. You know, the amount of influence that enormous corporations have over politicians is crazy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, I mean, just look at these wacky bills like the bill that just shot down that people are justifying. Did you did you look at that bill? All the different stuff that was in the bill? First of all, there's there's bio labs in that bill.

Gain-of-function research in that bill. 40% increase in raise for Congress in that bill. Some enormous amount of money to build a stadium in Washington, D.C.

There's a lot of nutty shit in that bill, and how many different people were interested in those things? When you're saying bio labs, who the fuck is asking for bio labs? Some corporation that's going to benefit from the bio labs. Exactly. I mean, what the fuck are lobby groups? Why do we have lobby groups? What is that? Well, that's the most expensive real estate in the country, is the Virginia real estate outside of D.C. where the lobbyists live. Yeah, K Street, too. It's one of them.

It's like that in Atherton, where all the tech dorks live. Yeah, I mean, what is that in our system, lobby groups? That should not be a thing. It's weird. It's the influence of money that has gotten a hold of politics in this country. To try to root that out,

So then what's the best form of government then? This. This is better than anywhere else in the world by far. We have the most freedom because we have the First Amendment, because we have the ability to do whatever you want to do. No one's forcing you into a marriage. No one's forcing you into labor. You can choose your path in this country, and that's what's rare. Right. It's an experiment in self-government. It's not perfect. It's the best that's available. It needs to be overhauled.

But it's pretty fucking awesome. Yeah. Right. And it's amendable, right? It's fluid, which is important because of human nature is not perfect. That's why I never sign on to any like-

utopian theories, because it's a mix of systems that works because human nature is so complicated and individuals are so different that one company will be run by a moral good guy, another company will be dumping toxic waste into the Hudson River, and it's like you have to regulate, government has to step in sometimes a little bit

to protect the people from nefarious things like that. Right. Especially when corporations have a obligation to make more money every year. Yeah. They have an obligation. They're shareholders. They don't. They're out. This guy likes yachts. I like yachts. I want to keep my yacht.

Have fun. You got to keep making that loot. How do you make that loot? You got to fucking get rid of that shit cheaper. There's a river. The guy said it's cool. Dump it in the river. Yeah. And now you can't- And now we're going to say, whoops, we didn't do that. Yeah. Now you can't repair iPhones. They make you buy a new iPhone every year. Clothes last like one wash. Change the charging port. Yeah. Isn't it better if I sell you a new one than fix it? Fuck off with this fixing. Right. And where do they put all that waste? Where does it all go? Landfills. Landfills.

Right. Yeah, that's not a sustainable system. Singapore has an amazing system. You ever seen Singapore's recycling system? No. It's fantastic. It's really wild. I mean, if they could implement that worldwide, it would be pretty phenomenal. What do they do? They recycle everything. Like, we don't really recycle plastic.

We say we're recycling. I'll throw it in the blue bin. I feel bad about myself. No, that's not doing a goddamn thing. That blue bin is going to go in the ground. Right. The only thing they really recycle is like aluminum and some metals because it's cost effective. It's too expensive to recycle plastic. So they just put it in fucking landfills. Right. You think you're being a good guy by throwing it into that fucking recyclable bin. Right. It's not getting anywhere but in the ground. Right. That's it. Not Singapore. Singapore. See if you could find...

I know we've done this before. There's a detailed description of how they do it in Singapore. They use it to make the surface of their roads. They take fucking everything. Everything. They have these waste incineration plants. They burn things off 24 hours a day, seven days a week. And then they take whatever is usable that they can...

change and recycle, they make new things out of it. They turn it into raw fuels. Dude, it is so advanced over there. You look at that city and you go like, they started the cities in America and then they just shipped them over to the east. Look at this. They're using this to make bricks. They're taking this stuff and they use it to pave their streets. This is all made out of this stuff that they've gotten from recycling.

So why don't we do that? We can't do it. Well, they're isolated, right? So they had a problem, much like Puerto Rico has a problem in that you don't have a lot of land mass. That's the setup that Tony needed. Well, Tony, actually, that's where the joke came from. I know. I know. He just needed, if he just saved it. He needed to not do it at a fucking political level.

But if you're going to do it, just set it up. Or even when it didn't work at the end, go, hey, you guys don't know about the garbage issue? No, you can't do it. Or you don't know about the garbage issue? Something like that, yeah. You tell me if Tony Hinchcliffe didn't live in the 1400s, he would be like a very evil prince, like living in a castle. Yeah, or a jester. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Yeah.

He would take people from Rome. I think they were forced to do that. I think it was a situation where they've got to do something because I don't think they had the same access to new materials. And they just came up with a much more comprehensive way to- Better way. Way better. If we did it that way, we'd have so few problems with regards to waste. Demystifying Singapore's waste management system.

large part of the problem getting people uh to be more sustainable they often don't understand how waste management works in their city that might be overstated how good their uh prob their situation it's also they just listen far better than ours burning right it's just probably isn't a good idea asian people just listen they have a common theme and they'll just listen you're not going to get a bunch of different people in america to just listen right back up please right so i can see what they are doing it from and i was trying to find the i was going to read through it oh okay okay find a good part of it um i think

I think that we could definitely do it better than we're doing it. And if it costs more money, wouldn't that be better than just throwing it in the fucking ground? We're so short-sighted in what we do with tax dollars, and we don't get a say in it. That's what's fucked up. And the corporations just don't plan for end of life of the product. They don't care. All they care about is their bottom line. It costs money for them to...

consider recycling or what's going to happen with the product when it's done i've been getting glass bottles of milk now from the supermarket because if you get this glass bottle of milk they say the milk's better and then i can give the glass bottle back and number one i get three dollars back and they said that they clean them out and they just put more milk in the glass bottle go old school i well i go even older school i just still suck on my wife's tit that's it yeah so that's still there yummy what is this jamming just the garbage pile it's one of their landfills their landfills are going to be full in 10 years

Yeah, I think that's part of the problem so that they were forced to figure out what to do with all the stuff But their recycling program I know is way better than ours You know, they're just much better at sorting things out and making it work. Also note in that video We watched that city they showed was China not Singapore. Oh, so they're building them in Singapore Are they someone taking them from Singapore and then building them in China or is it just I just someone made a video Just trying to write. Oh, so it's horseshit alone

A little bit. A little bit horseshit. And Singapore is a country they don't fuck around, right? That's the country they'll get hit with. You'll get caned. That was a big story when I was a little kid. Everyone thought they were going to get caned for gum. We get hit with bamboo sticks. Got to hurt. Have you heard about this story in Vietnam? Tell me. This chick is like Hall of Fame level fraud. Like 54 billion. She's up there with Bernie Madoff. What is this? What'd she do? This chick. Pull it up, Jamie. Yeah, I feel like Rogan, baby. Yeah. Jamie, pull her up.

This chick is a woman and she set up this elaborate scheme to steal like...

$12 billion, but it actually is more. And they're going to kill her. Why didn't she have a mask on? Yeah. I don't know. Because they wanted to get COVID. Fuck that bitch. That's it. What did she do? So she set up these fake shell corporations. She was a stockholder or one of the owners of the bank, but a minority owner. And she was just funneling out money.

She's got to come up with three quarters of what she earns or she gets killed. That's a good movie right there. Yeah, that's a good movie. $9 billion. She's calling it. If she does give him that much money, they just give her life in prison. Yeah, but she's not going to come up with that money because I think it's $54 billion actually, if I remember correctly. She embezzled $54 billion? Yeah, I mean it's up there. Yeah. What did she do? It says $27 billion in this one. $27 billion misappropriated.

12 billion was judged to be embezzled most serious financial crime for which she sentenced to death. It was a rare and shocking verdict She's one of the very few women in Vietnam to be sentenced to death for white-collar crime. What did she do? She yeah, I mean we could look it up It was amazing. She did it through a bank

She secretly controlled Saigon Commercial Bank, the country's fifth biggest lender, taking out loans and cash over more than 10 years through a web of shell companies amounting to a total of $44 billion. There you go. So I was off by 10. Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, that's up there. Prosecutors say $27 billion was misappropriated. $12 billion was judged to have been embezzled.

Most serious financial crime, which was sentenced to death. Tuesday, the court said there was no basis to reduce her sentence. However, she could still avoid execution if she returns $9 billion, three-quarters of the $12 billion she embezzled. That bitch had so much money. So much. How are you going to get $9 billion? Give her credit. Imagine embezzling $9 billion and being like, I need more. I need another three.

I mean, that's fucking crazy. But give her credit. That's so much money. You could literally spend $100 million a year for the rest of your life. And you would never run out of money with all the interest and everything coming in. It's $1,000 billion. So you have $12,000 billion.

Yeah. And you're still going. Yeah. Or $12,000 million, rather. And you're still going. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. That's so much money. You think she's going to be able to get the nine bill back? No. She's calling friends up. They're going like, we don't know you now. Because she had conspirators with her. She had family and friends that were helping her. And yeah, look, so there's 85 defendants were convicted. Her husband, her niece.

They were given sentences, but like, yeah, I mean, her friends. So everybody was getting a little taste. Everyone was getting a little piece. A little taste. It was a score. Fun. Nice score. It was a nice score. Hey, imagine. But to pull that off in communist Vietnam that I know they have a little bit of a, you know, periostroka kind of mixed economy now, but you got to give her credit as a woman. That's achievement right there. It is achievement. I wonder how she got caught.

I wonder what was the thing she fucked up on. She probably bought a diamond ring. You know how those chicks like diamonds. She had a fucking giant Rolls Royce. The kid in crypto who got caught. He stole a bunch of money from crypto and got caught doing something dumb.

He was just spending, buying Lambos, but wasting all the money. What do you mean Lambos? Is that how you're supposed to spend the money if you make it on crypto? No, but he stole like billions of dollars. That's exactly what it's for. If you make billions of dollars on crypto and you don't have a Lambo, you're an asshole. That's how you get caught, though. Of course. It's all good.

Somebody sent me an email the other day and said that they have like, they hacked into my phone and computer and they have videos of me doing disgusting things and jerking off and all that. And they said the only way that they can make it go away is if I, and they gave me a link and they said I have to pay them in Bitcoin.

I have to pay them in all this Bitcoin. So I was just like, you know, I mean, I didn't obviously do it, but I was just like, show me the video. Yeah. Show it to me. I'll repost. At this point as comics, I would repost it. Yeah. I would repost it with fucking links to my dates. I just wanted you to see how wild this is. The government does not publish how many people are on death row in Vietnam. Hmm.

Human rights groups say there's thousands. It's a state secret. Speaking of crypto, what's going on with that Hawk Tua chick? Is she going to jail? What happened now? What happened to Hawk Tua? That's my girl. No one's heard from her. What did she do? She's been missing for over 300 hours, I think. What does that mean? She went to sleep and she hasn't woken up. What did she do? She just hasn't been on social media, you mean. It's not like she's hiding. A coin was launched with her meme and she was like the front of it.

I don't know all the details. Is that a crime? No, no, no. The pump and dump might be the crime. The thing was, there was an enormous amount of money that was put into this meme coin by all these people, and then she or someone representing her side of it sold instantaneously and made a huge score, and then the coin was worth nothing.

So all those people that invested money, like one guy invested a million dollars. Like imagine you're like the Hawk tour girl. Yeah. That's a sound investment. Yeah. That seems like a good place to put my nest egg. Some people for sure lost money, but there's, it was definitely a time to just troll and be like, Oh, I'm such an idiot. I lost $10 million on this. Cause I felt like people were trolling the whole movement of like being dumb and following Hawk tour. But some people did lose money. I don't,

Is she actually going to go to jail for real? Can the SEC invest crypto like that? I guess they can now, right? Well, it's like, what are the rules? What are the rules in terms of like, are you allowed to do that? Like, is that unethical but legal? Like, are you allowed to have a meme coin and it gets to like $100 million, you have a bunch of it, you just sell it all and you make 50 million bucks? Are you allowed to do that?

If you're not allowed to do that, what's the point in having 50 million bucks? Right. Do you not have trust in the Hawk Tua coin if I sell it? That's ridiculous. That's on you. That's on me. I mean, you have trust in it. I only did the smart thing when I got out when I thought it was a good price. Yeah. And I'm selling it to people. They should take that and run with it, and this would be the next currency of the world. I invested in Hawk Tua. Imagine if you think idiocracy is... If it's a documentary, imagine if the Hawk Tua girl overcomes fucking...

fiat currency. Well, have you ever seen how many coins there are? How many cryptocurrencies there are? Oh, there's a bunch. And some of them have really funny names. Dude, one of them was called butt coin. Yeah. I put 250 bucks in. Hawk to a girls. I like how her name is just Hawk to a girl. Her name's Haley. Oh, yeah. Haley Welch. Yeah. Biz partners are getting sued over the meme coin disaster.

Okay. The partners are doing it. So it was probably some people she got invested in. She probably doesn't understand all that stuff. She's only 22 or something like that. Right. It was probably the partners that went with her. They pump and dumped on her. And then she's left holding the bill because nobody knows who they are. So scroll up. I'm just guessing. All right.

I don't know. Legal firm of Burnwick Laws filed a U.S. federal lawsuit on behalf of the investors against the creators of the influencer-pushed Hawk Tua meme coin, which fell on its face in the hours following its launch. Hayley Welch, who gained notoriety this year with the Hawk Tua girl following a viral interview about sexual technique, facing a disastrous Solana meme coin launch at the start of the month. Not only did the price collapse by 93% from a $490 million peak...

Holy shit! $490 million peak market cap for a hawk to a coin. With the rug pull allegations quickly surfacing, but a cluster of connected wallets holding 96% of the supply led to further controversy. The hate only increased when it was found that some of the wallets were selling.

Quickly, Berwick Law posted on Twitter asking for hawk buyers impacted by the plunge to step forward to create a potential lawsuit. Now, two weeks later, the lawsuit has been filed, naming 12 American resident plaintiffs who claim to have collectively suffered damages in excess of $151,000. I lost a million bucks. I'd be in there fast. Yeah, that's weird. Isn't that weird? Like, there's only 12 people, and they've only lost 151 total.

I wonder how many people, like, all told invested in the Hawk Tool coin. How many stone-cold retards are out there roaming the world? I don't know, but this is inspiring. Should we do a history hyenas coin? I'm telling you, do it and then... No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't listen to Jamie. Do it, get it real high, and then sell. Make the money. Just fuck all those dummies that are buying your stupid fucking coin. Yeah, yeah.

We're announcing it right now. The History Hyena's coin will be available. We're going to launch it. This is how you do it. Yeah. This is a win-win for everybody. You're going to have a History Hyena's coin, but the only way to purchase it is with the Hawk Tua coin. Right. Got it. Right. Smart. Right. That way, everybody's a winner.

Everyone's a winner. Now all of a sudden a coin makes a comeback. Yeah. Both of you grow. The rising tide lifts all boats. Yeah. And we can finally get Hawk 2R on our show that way. Yeah. This went viral. This is a video of a kid. He's in his house streaming. He was streaming this online. He started a coin and

Then pump it like 50 grand. He's probably dubbing in front everybody He starts freaking out here as he watches it go up. All right, and he got to how quickly did he dump? This video is a minute long. He dumped it in the mini Watching it go up. What he just recognized how old is this kid? I think I'm so confused

There's people watching this too. Let's see the other voices you're hearing. He just dumped it. Yeah. Yeah.

What is a crime? How does it work? How come Nancy Pelosi can make all that money? Everyone knows it's a crime. Yeah, I don't understand what the crimes are. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't get it. There's an SEC regulation against that.

Yeah. Are you sure? We can look it up. Yeah. What about when Tom Brady and Larry David got in trouble for the FTX thing and they were just promoting doing a commercial? How were they in trouble for promoting a coin? Well, it remains to be seen whether or not they'll be charged or whether they'll be found guilty. But how could they even be remotely? Because someone lost a bunch of money and they said, Larry David, I trusted you. Right. You were promoting this thing that I think is good. That's the reason why I've never promoted any of those.

I've had offers to promote things like that. For real money. I'm not interested. I'm like, uh-uh. I don't even understand it. If I don't understand it, like you're selling what? You're selling NFTs? What does that mean? It's a non-fungible token. We're done. I don't know what you're saying. I'm not doing this. There's like too many fucking bros that are out there doing this that, you know, the Lambo drivers. Right. It's like a fuckery culture. So do you understand crypto fully or is it still one of those things like... Oh, I understand it. Yeah. Yeah, I understand it. It's just like it's weird.

weird that anybody would invest actual real money in it. I understand Bitcoin more than all the other ones, but even Bitcoin is mysterious. There's a lot of weird, I mean, they don't even know who made it. There's a whole documentary on Satoshi Nakamoto, whose real identity is, it's all controversial. That's weird. The fact that there's a certain stable amount of them, though, that's encouraging, that you can't make more of them. But that's exactly what artists do to give their art.

- Value, that's how you do it. You limit the supply and then, oh, these are only 10 original paintings and this is what I'm charging 'cause there's only 10 prints of these. So you create the value by the scarcity. So there's nothing mysterious about that. - Sort of, but it also limits the ability to add coins to it anytime you want and devalue it. So that's what's more important than making it scarce so people like it more. It is weird.

That we...

We used to be on a gold standard, and then now we're just on hard drives, and we just sort of accept it. And then the government, like when they want to send money to Ukraine, forget about the fact that we're trillions of dollars in debt. They could just come up with $179 billion and ship it over to some country. Yay, go have a good time. And there's wild reports about the amount of corruption that this money is experiencing. I mean, this money has probably gone through more people's noses

You know and come out of more people's dicks like how much right? Where's this buddy go and it's so much. There's no way it's 100% efficient Yeah, you know big boy. No, I don't understand it so much like Joe. I just don't yeah, I just stay away Yeah, it's like when someone explains curling to me, you know the sport curling sure like I don't even when I get the rules I'm like I still don't understand what you know. I was in Newfoundland. I did a show up there once and

the place that was at was like a play. It was like a theater. And in this theater, apparently they have like curling shows. And so like, and you're walking down the hallway in the back to, before you go on stage, there's all these fucking photos of people curling.

And I just went out there and started shitting on curling like right away. And they were so bummed out. They were so bummed out. It looks like the Housekeeper Olympics or something. Yeah, they're just sweeping the ice. It's so dumb. Yeah. It's such a dumb sport. It's like bowling for retards. Right. It's like regular bowling is too complicated. Right. Yeah.

But they're good. I mean, there's people that are good at it. I don't know how you're good at it, but. I kind of get it because it's kind of like billiards, right? Or pool. You're rolling this thing. You're trying to like just roll it just. Just this feel. You get this feel to it. You're just like, let it go now.

right let it slide sweep it sweep it sweep it yeah get rid of the friction so that's what they're doing yeah that's what they're sweeping they're trying to get rid of the friction right they don't need dust yeah yeah they don't have snow dust right it's stupid it's so stupid it's stupid yeah it's stupid but if you grow up and there's nothing to do and you suck at hockey yeah just curl you play that i guess it's the golfing of ice sports right

Yeah. Right. Golfing is way more complex. Yeah, but I just mean like you don't need any real athletic talent to do it. Like how do you retire from golfing? You don't think you need athletic talent from golfing for golfing? Not really. You definitely do. For the drive. You see these guys' bodies? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the coordination of your body to drive a golf ball. Jamie's a nut. Jamie, tell them how much it is. I know, but I was about to say like there's guys that are like paralyzed that can still golf.

Yeah, I mean, it's really like... How do you golf with your mind? No, I mean, they can literally just swing an arm. They're strapped into a contraption that sets them upright and points them right. I've seen blind people golf. I mean, Nate Bargatze golfs. He's good. Look at his body. He's got tits. But here's my point. I know what you're pointing at. To hit it 400 yards, that's 100% athletic. You can't just accidentally do that. Yeah, I mean, even John Daly. You can say John Daly's fat and all that stuff, but John Daly, when you watch him move, the efficiency of his movements...

You know, like we were talking about Mark Hunt. Mark Hunt's a big guy, but he still fuck people up, right? It's still an athlete. Yeah, sure. Like a lot of these fat golfers, there's a thing they know how to do. They whack that ball and they know exactly how to fucking put a little spin on that motherfucker, a little wrist action on that sucker. The difference between pro and being able to play the game is like, yeah. It's different. Right, right, right. Being a banker and playing them up.

Like, you ever seen Bartolo Colon, the pitcher for the Mets? No. I thought that was a cologne you were talking about. This guy's body's the best. Look at Bartolo Colon. If you pull up B-A-R-T-O-L-O, I mean, look at this guy. And he just threw heat in the majors. And he was fun about it. He was fun about being fat. He would sit in the locker room with no shirt on, eating cheeseburgers. Nobody gave a shit. Look at that one with the helmet flying off his head.

Well, as long as you're good at that sport. He was good. And that sport is a sport that doesn't require endurance. That's what's important. No. You don't have to do anything for a prolonged period of time. The furthest thing you have to do is run to a base. Yeah. And if you've got to run to all of them, that's crazy. What did you do? Generally, if you're running to all of them, you can kind of trot because you knocked it out of the park. Right. What do you think the sport that requires the most endurance? Obviously, not thinking about, like, long-distance running because that's obvious, but, like,

You know what I think it is? What? I think hockey. Well, soccer too. Yeah, but the hockey, you notice how those guys can only be on the ice for like...

Two minutes shifts. Two minutes. Because it's so hard to skate like that. Can't do it. Good point. Good point. Soccer players stay on the field the whole game. Yeah, because they get to rest and slow down. Even the best. Gretzky, they can't. Two minutes. Two minutes. They can't do it. It's crazy. It's crazy. They have four lines, I think. So when they go two minutes, how much do they take off before they go back on the ice? I think it's like another minute or two. But it's multiple lines. They just constantly go on and off because they just can't. Because they have to continue.

continuously skate. Imagine what a hockey game would look like if they'd never let them use the bench. Oh, that would be hilarious. Oh my God, that would be insane. People would drop dead. Yeah, they would just drop dead. That would be wild. I've never seen hockey live in NHL. To me, besides MMA, I saw an MMA fight once. That was amazing. And then second is NHL. It's very fast. NHL, those guys on skates, whether you know the rules or not, it's amazing.

It's a very, very fast game. Yeah. It's crazy. And the skill to be able to skate. I can barely skate at all. I'm barely standing up. Yeah. And it's the only sport where you're allowed to fist fight in. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. It's written into the rules. It's encouraged. You're allowed to duke it out, which is so crazy that that's the only one. Yeah, because I think people don't really know where the puck is. And so everyone's just waiting around for a fight. Yeah.

It's grandfathered in the the punching each other has anyone ever seen a goal when it actually happened in real time It happens too fast. That's why they have the siren on top of the goal Well, you know what? I really like on TV where they have that circle over it so they know where the puck is at all times Yeah, a lot of craziness happening. Yeah, it's like if you're watching a football If you're watching a football game from like the 30th row and you're looking down what happened? Who's got the ball? Yeah, like after you know after

after the ball gets hiked, it's like, where'd it go? Did it go to him? They're faking you out. You don't know. Unless you see the guy throw it. Yeah. You don't know what's happening. Yeah. And what about like old hockey goalies would do it with no helmet and just get the puck and then we have... Oh, you see those faces? Their faces. The way their faces used to look? Do you think those guys ever sat on the bench and talked about mental health? Yeah.

Nobody told them what it was. No, I don't think so. You think they ever talked about their mental health? I think they had some struggles with it. Oh, yeah. Taking a couple of shots to the head. Oh, no question. Yeah. I mean, yeah, of course. I mean, you guys would be terrified. Yeah, look at that. I mean, the guy's blocking it with his face. Yep. It's just what it is. All the scars that he had on his face from his entire career.

Terry Sawchuck. That sounds like just a badass name. Yeah. That is a face, man. Look at that, dude. Imagine if that guy gets mad at you in the bar. You're like, yes, sir. Bye. Yeah. I don't want that. That's a guy who's seen some fucking shit. Who do you think is disgusting? Oh, Jesus. Look at his face. Oh, yeah. Oh, and he had a mask on. It broke the mask. Fuck.

Fucked his face up. Jesus Christ. I mean, yeah, I mean, they flicked that thing. It's so hard right at your face. So fast. Who's the scariest warrior, like, from history you would never want to go up against? Like, would it be like, you know, like a wild Native American on the plains, a guy from Genghis Khan, a Nazi? Who do you, who would you be like, shit, this guy's going to fucking kill me and it's going to hurt? You have to say the Vikings.

Vikings. Because they were the biggest. And they were on mushrooms. Dude, but is that true? Yeah. I didn't know that. Those Iceland guys that win the world's strongest man competition all the time, like those guys like the Mountain from Game of Thrones, where do you think that gene line came from? Vikings. 100%. Those were the dudes that were in that fucking boat with the dragon head at the front. And when they pulled up at your shore, everybody just ran. Yeah. That's it. That's it.

But can I just nominate someone? Yes. Who we're not thinking about? I mean, it's obviously not underrated because everyone knows about him, but let's just talk about the record. Alexander the Great, who led his troops undefeated in battle. He's the Floyd Mayweather of...

Generals. Undefeated. That's crazy. Record. Never lost a battle. That's crazy. That's true. And conquered the known world at that time. Took down the mighty Persian Empire. But if the Vikings were alive back then, they might kill him and his little boyfriend, too. They had enough of them. I think so, dude. They killed each other a lot, too, unfortunately. And they were civilized, the Vikings, too. It wasn't... But did you ever see...

The biological warfare, when they would light the... I read this thing where they would... The rats on their boat, when they were going to wherever they were invading, they would wait. They would look for infected rats. Somehow they knew. They would get close enough. They would light their tails on fire and then shoot them over the walls and then let the rats run around and infect...

people and bite people or whatever and wait it out for like 40 days and just then go in when the town was all dying of some disease whoa it's another that's that's a fact the vikings were they were brutal they would even kill like the priests and the churches they would do bad stuff have you ever seen alexander degrade's ruins in afghanistan

In person? Dude, I don't want to go to Afghanistan. Photographs. Nobody wants to go to Afghanistan. That's the problem. Archaeologists can't go there to study them. But they have ancient Greek cities. They look like beautiful ancient Greek cities that are in the middle of Afghanistan. That's sick. My friend who served over there was telling me about it. He was like, you go there, you can't believe what you're seeing. He had a bunch of pictures of it. It's like, this is the craziest thing. It's like you're in Athens.

You've got to admit, the Greeks kind of nailed some stuff. Oh, yeah. My people kind of democracy. You know what you really should read? Yeah. The Immortality Key. Have you read that? No. It's Brian Murarescu. He's a scholar who was studying the use of psychedelic drugs in ancient Greece for the Eleusinian Mysteries. I've heard of this.

Where everybody would go to learn about democracy and like it was all – they were all like tripping balls. Yeah. And they've found evidence now from these vessels, these pottery vessels, that inside these vessels they were drinking wine. But it wasn't wine. The wine wasn't just alcohol. They would mix it with a bunch of different psychedelic compounds. And one of them was ergot. So they found residue of ergot, which is –

a psychedelic that gives you like an LSD like experience so they were all drinking wine and tripping balls and figuring out democracy and you know like fucking the stars and constellations they were out of their heads yeah and half the birthplace of so much of western society has come from that one spot once in a lifetime you bagged out a little LSD

it's been a long time yeah you think you'll bang it out again one day before you go i would like it to be legal before i admit to that oh right all right this is what i think oh i thought lsd was legal new new new super illegal schedule one well i think when we realize the benefits of these things and hopefully it's within our lifetime especially for people that have ptsd like soldiers

That'll open the door for that and then they'll have clinics where regular people can use it and then they can get over a lot of the shit that people are struggling with. There's a lot of people that could have a psychedelic experience and snap themselves back onto a better course in life. And if it's illegal, that number of people is going to be very limited.

But like all things, it's going to have side effects. This is the thing. It's like there's no biological free lunch. And if you're doing something that's blowing your brains out, like LSD, there's a certain amount of people who aren't coming back. Right. And that's real. Because there's a certain amount of people who have a very fragile grasp on reality as it is. You give that person nine grams of psilocybin mushrooms and you've got a real fucking problem. They might not ever come back. Were you able to snap back quick? You could snap back. Yeah. It depends on what you're doing.

you know, and when you're doing it, what time in your life and how, what the experience was like. But,

It should be something that's controlled. It should be something where you have places you can go where they have a very strict protocol. They measure your weight. They know what the dose is to give you. You can do it in a calm and clean and safe setting. They're regulated. They have counselors. They have people that understand. They screen you to make sure that you're not on any psych medications first that would interfere with it.

That's what we should have, just like we have hospitals, just like we have mental health institutes. This should be psychedelic research centers that are connected to treatment facilities.

Right. There you go. I want to do it, dude. I mean, ketamine, that's what ketamine therapy is in some small ways, right? Exactly. It's very psychedelic. In fact, John Lilly, the guy who created the sensory deprivation tank, that was his vibe. He used to like to do ketamine in there. He would do intramuscular ketamine. So he would go into the sensory deprivation tank and fucking bang himself with ketamine into the muscles because it would last a long time and just...

He would just fucking exist in this other dimension for hours at a time. Yeah. That was his thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, dude, I want to hit a... We should do a sensory deprivation tank together. I have one here. He's got one here. You have one here? Yeah, dude. You want to hit it? No. Oh, yeah. He won't do it. See, he gets a little... I get a little scared of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's worth being scared. Yeah. But that's not...

dangerous. It's not scary. Like whatever weird feelings you have, if you can't handle it, all you have to do is open the door and you're sober instantaneously. It's different than anything else. But if it was a drug, if the sensory deprivation tank was a drug, it would be a very psychedelic drug. If it was just a drug, when you lay in there and your eyes are wide open, but it's pitch black and you're floating, you're completely weightless.

If that was a drug, it'd be a very popular drug. - Now when you've done this stuff, most people seem to say their ego disappears over the horizon type of stuff. They realize everything's connected. Have you had that experience? - You definitely realize everything's connected. And your ego, you realize, is both protecting you and holding you back.

Because your ego is like you need a little bit of ego if you want to make it in life Because you need to have enough confidence in yourself that you ask the girl out on a date that you're attracted to or that you chase the job that you want Or that you like stand up for yourself when you feel like you're getting fucked over in a business deal like you need some Egos, you can't be completely selfless. You're not gonna get anywhere, but then you have to realize that that is

You're very fragile and your ego is protecting you from a lot of like true understanding of the life experience. Right. You know, and one of the most profound things that happens with psychedelic experiences is the complete dissolving of ego. Right.

And then you kind of see yourself and everyone around you in a way more objective way. And you realize like, oh my God, we're all energy, like feeding off of each other. And we're pretending that we're isolated and we're singular. We're on our own. That's why like really ill people will,

will tell you, I don't have any friends. I don't like people. I don't want to be around people. You know, I don't, you know, if you've got a guy who's a fighter pilot, he's like, I don't hang around with fire pilots. Like, he's probably really depressed. Like, something's wrong with him. If you don't hang out with your peers, if you're not, you don't have friends, you don't enjoy camaraderie and community, you want to pretend that you're like this isolated, like, dark poet or something like that, you're probably very mentally ill. There's probably something really wrong with you.

We're hardwired social species. 100%. And we enjoy each other's company. We feed off of it. It's the worst thing they can do for you in jail is put you in solitary confinement. The worst thing they can do. You're in a giant cage filled with prisoners and rapists and murderers.

The worst thing they could do is leave you alone. Well, that's why I believe the internet's bad is because it's fake community. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. And that's why people talk like a fake way. Right. They don't talk like they would ever talk if they were right in front of people. Right. Right. Right. And that's why I think it's bad because it's messing with people's sense of what reality is. Yeah. And people are essentially disassociating when they're on there. Exactly. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And it's just...

a very shallow way to communicate and I think that if you do it like that all the time your ability to communicate normally and the ability to socialize and just have conversations with people gets severely stunted

You don't flex that. You don't use that muscle. And it atrophies, just like everything else. It's just there's so many kids that are completely socially disconnected other than the internet, which keeps them connected. So they're socially connected through technology, but completely disconnected through human touch, being around people, fun, conversation, communication.

doing fun things. Yeah. They just exist in the same area and just get as much coming through the screen as they can. Yeah. It's crazy. It's fake. It's not real. Yeah. That's what's troubling and that's what I worry about my kids. Right. I go like,

I want them to have human connection, long conversations, experience people's energy. Looking at someone in the eyes is everything. Yeah. You know, feeling someone's energy. Like you said, you don't feel anything on the internet. The problem also with kids is even when they're together, they're on their phones all the time. That's a problem. Yeah. Yeah.

And this is one thing about podcasts that's fucking amazing because podcasts are one of the rare times in my life where for three hours I have no phone. Yeah. For three hours, unless I'm checking something or sending Jamie something, I don't. And the people listening are also doing the same thing. They're connecting to you without-

Doing that, yeah, they're just connecting to hearing you. Yeah, right. It's like a long radio show. It's beautiful. Flipping through, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, talking to other people, and they're talking back, and everyone's pretending like there's somebody else and catfishing each other. That's why I always used to like planes back in the day before Wi-Fi came around because when you were on a plane, if you didn't have a movie to watch or something like that, you just had to sit in that seat.

And when you just sit in that seat and you know you can't go anywhere, I would get my best writing done. Right. My best writing because I'm, like, forced to write. Sure. I'm forced. There's no Wi-Fi. Have you ever tried to go to the bathroom without your phone, though?

Oh, it's horrible. I can't even pee. It doesn't even work. It's impossible. My detrusor muscle or whatever that muscle is that pushes out your pee, it won't come out. If I got to poop really bad and I only got like 1%, I will go plug it in and hold my shit until I can get enough to shit through. I can't do it. That's why I think there's a, I bet you there's a spike in anxiety when we ask or people ask to have their, have to have their phones put away at a comedy show or a music show or whatever.

Oh, for sure. I bet you their anxiety goes through the roof. Oh, yeah. Because they're like, I can't, you know? Oh, people complain all the time. It's the best thing. And you do that at the mothership, right? Yeah. It's the best. It's the best thing. It's better for everybody, too. It's better for the audience member. It's better for you. It's better for everybody. Yeah. Yeah.

If you guys, if you were going to get eaten by, would you, would you, would you rather it be an animal or a human? Yeah. You have to get eaten. An animal. You don't want a cannibal to eat you? Yeah, I don't want some guy knowing he's eating me. Yeah. You don't want him to have that power. That's interesting. Yeah, fuck that. Yeah. Yeah. Alligator.

Quick. It would be quick. How about a hippo? Just snap you in half. You'd be dead in seconds. They drown you, right? Yeah, they just rip you apart. You don't want hyenas to eat you. No. You do not want that. Because what do they do? They eat from the back? They eat you alive? They have no concern about putting you down, killing you. Like a cat will kill you.

Make sure you're dead before it eats you. Hyenas just start eating you. Yeah, same as bears. Bears just start eating you. They just start eating you. Wolves just start eating you. Don't hyenas then throw up the food and then eat their puke? Yeah, they're the only animal that eats the full bone. Only animal on the planet that eats...

Pulverizes the bone their jaw strength is such that they pulverize the bone and consume the bone as well So when they're done, there's no carcass. They're the fucking best animal on the planet. They got pseudo penises. They're transgender Fucking wild the women are bigger than the men. I loved your bit about it They smell too bad and we started the podcast because hyenas have always been my favorite animal and we both loved history and so we just combined those two things but hyenas are hilarious dude and

What was your bit about hyenas? I didn't hear it. It was great. It was a long bit. Oh, okay. It's a long bit. It's a good bit. It's basically about their matriarchal power structure. Why that's bad. Yeah. Right. Well, it's also they had to do that because male hyenas are such cunts, they'd probably eat the babies. Yeah. Yeah. They're monsters. Yeah.

But they're like a medium-sized animal in a world of things way bigger than them. So they're living around lions. They get it done. They trick you, numbers. They confuse you. They're opportunity killers. They love to steal kills. That laughing is real. That cackle, that's a real thing. They don't really know what it is either. They don't ask.

It seems like they're having fun. Yeah, it sounds like they're having a good time. Yeah, they're just having fun. They're fucking brutal. Lions are like these fucking hyenas again. Dude, yeah, the hyenas just spoil fun. They show up and you're like, these fuck... You ever see when like a cheetah works so hard? Yeah. Because cheetahs fail all the time and then they finally get a kill and then you just hear the kick, kick, kick.

You just hear that, and the cheetah's probably going, motherfucker. And they just come, and they just steal it. That whole area, when you think about it, is like the proving ground for biological life. Yeah. How are you going to keep the populations in order? How are you going to make sure the predators don't get out of hand? How do you make sure that the hyenas always have to worry about the male lions? Look at that face. Yeah. Look at that face. Yeah. That face is so crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't want to get eaten by that. I'm just washing jaw muscles. I think. Oh, my God. Look at that face. That's so nuts. Imagine that's the last thing you see before you get eaten. I don't know why they're funny to me. How many people die from hyenas every year? They eat a lot of people. Do they? Yeah. Remember that picture that we saw of a hyena? It's got an elephant's foot in its mouth. Yeah. It's just running around with an elephant's foot. Fucking monsters. That was actually our first logo. We put our faces on that.

And then we tried to sell merch at it, and people were like, I'm not buying this bloody hyena. Yeah, and also, it's not our picture to sell. Jamie, how many people die from hyenas every year? Hippos kill the most people in Africa, right? Do they? Yeah, I believe so. I believe hippos are responsible for the most deaths in Africa. What are they like? Is there a village or something that lives close to the hippos in Africa? I think if you fuck around and you get in the water near hippos. You ever see the hippos chasing boats? They'll chase boats. It looks like a fucking submarine. Super territorial. Yeah, they're rough, man.

Yeah, you think of them as hunger hunger hippo. Yeah. Well that we make the most monstrous animals the cutest polar bears Yeah, Yogi Yeah, every kid has a teddy bear you like you don't want Tony the tiger. Yeah. Yeah Tiger how many people every year died? Let's take a guess before we find out how many people die from hyenas ready for this. Oh

I'm going to say that I think in the world, 50 people die of hyenas and I think 75 die of cannibals.

Wow. That's what I think. More people get eaten by other people than hyenas. Wow. 1575 is my guess. How would you, you'd have to count into places where people do it for revenge too, like Haiti. Right. They eat people for fun. Yep. That's what I'm saying. That counts. Papua New Guinea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How many, I think there's a very low number of cannibals every year where people get eaten by cannibals. I would say it's less than 20.

People eaten by, this is my guess, and maybe 75 people every year die from hyenas. I'm going to go 800 to 1,000. Hyenas? On the whole continent, Serengeti, Africa. Every year? 1,000, yeah. Jesus. 1,000. What about cannibals? Cannibals, I think, is a lot higher. I mean, how are we ever going to get that number? Nobody eats somebody and then goes and reports it. Right. Yeah, so that's impossible to know. Right.

But I think hyenas you can track, and I think they probably get hundreds. But ask Google because Google tells you the truth. I bet it's not that many. I bet it's not that many. What do we got? It took me a while to find an answer. I found one story where a guy was killed by some. It said it was the 60th in that year, but I didn't know what year it was. 60th hyena or cannibal? Hyena death in that year. Wow. I said 50. Sorry, person killed by hyenas. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, this is 1998 to 99. 50 people were attacked by hyenas with 35 being children. 12 people killed. Only 12 killed.

I don't want to. Yeah, I'm not seeing tons of good info. All right, so is wrong. If you're in that part of the world, you better be packing everywhere you go. Yeah, we need it. Bulletproof vest, shotgun, big Bowie knife, fucking everything. Yeah. You're walking around a hyena country, you better be ready to spray. Yeah. Since their attacks are actually kind of rare. Hyena attacks? Very. Who gets people the most over there? Hippos?

Lions maybe? No, hippos, he said. I think hippos. I think hippos are responsible for the most deaths in Africa every year. But you know who really is responsible for the most deaths in Africa? Humans. Mosquitoes. Oh, yeah. Which is so crazy. They've killed half of all the people that have ever died. Mosquitoes have, right? Mosquitoes have killed half of the people that have ever died.

It's crazy. Malaria. Yeah. The most dangerous animal on the planet. It makes you think like, is this our planet or is it their planet? Yeah. Hippopotamus, animal that kills the most people in Africa with an estimated 500 deaths per year. Fuck. 500 people get hippoed every year. 20 miles an hour they can run? Yeah. That's real shit. Oh, it's real shit. If you have a bad knee, you're in real trouble. Yeah. Cape buffalo, they kill a bunch of people every year.

Puffatter. Okay. It's a snake. Snake makes sense. How many people do you think die from African lions every year? I was thinking it was going to be a lot, like 100, but I guess I'm wrong. Well, if hippos are 500, it can't be 100. Let's just guess. How many people die from...

If hyenas are, I'm going to say 18. 18? Yeah, because- More people die from hyenas than lions? Yeah, I think so. Well, that was like in the 80s and it was only 12 people died. But who's getting close to the lions like this? Assholes. Well, they also live out there. I mean, they did a lot of tribes like live out there. They're close by. There's a tribe, there's a village in Africa. I saw it was on Nat Geo that hyenas come in and get fed there.

Yeah, I saw that. Hyenas walk into, you saw that, right? Where they actually feed them. So they have a deal. So they have a deal and actually they believe helps keep them safe because hyenas know they don't have to kill anyone. They'll just get the food. Yeah, these are good. These are coffee. Ooh, nice. They're breakers. Yeah. I think that's probably smart. Like make friends with the hyenas. Why not? They understand. A lot of guys try to keep them as pets.

You ever see the dudes who walk around with them with chains on them and shit? That'd be wild. That's a gangster movie. Walking around with a fucking hyena? Yeah. Because they're big, too. Dude, if we ever do like a- What's a hyena? Like a buck fifty? So like a mastiff looking size? Yeah, it's kind of like probably a German shepherd or mastiff looking- Bigger than a shepherd, right? Probably. I don't know because they're like wide. They're not that-

like they're kind of compact. So I don't know. I don't know what they're- - Can you get them in the US? You can't get a hyena in here, right? - Maybe get them in Texas. - Yeah. - Or Florida. - Texas has a lot of shit here. - Like could you bring one out on stage on a show? Like if you've got clearance, you could do that. - If you were Ted Nugent, Ted Nugent in Texas could bring hyenas on stage. - He'll bring one out. - He used to ride a buffalo when he was on stage. You ever see that? Yeah. You never see Ted Nugent riding a buffalo? - No. - He had a buffalo that he could ride and he would ride it on stage.

And like he's doing a show and he's on a fucking buffalo in front of all these people. You know, Ted Nugent is the only guy who I've ever heard who made me understand meat eating and how it's no less moral than he's the only guy who made it make sense in my head. He goes, oh, you think you're a good person because you're only eating the vegetables? And then he talked about how many animals have to be killed in order to keep those vegetables from being eaten by other animals. Right.

riding a Buffalo. Wild kid. Wow. His son owns a bar on Staten Island and I didn't know and he was like, yeah, my... Rocco? Oh, it was just the kid didn't know he was his son. Yes. You met this kid? Yeah. The kid that he didn't know was his son. Ted Jr. And he was like, yeah, Ted Nugent's my pop. He's a really cool guy and I was like, oh shit. Yeah. He was like, yeah, dude, it's pretty fucking wild. But you ever hear him explain that? And I was like,

He explained it on this podcast. Oh, he did? Is that where it was from? Yeah. Oh, my God. There's a red curtain behind him. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And I was like, oh, my God. Nobody ever thinks of that. What is Ted Nugent famous? Was he a politician? What was Ted Nugent? Stranglehold, son. You don't ever heard of Stranglehold? No. You never heard that song? No. Here I come again. You don't know that song? No. Oh, my God. You know it. Play Stranglehold. Yeah, I'm sorry. So he was a musician. It's one of the greatest guitar riffs in all of rock and roll. I'm going to be honest if I know it.

Come on, son. So far, it's not ringing a bell. Hold up. It's just picking up, son. Here we go. Do you know it? No. You don't know it? How dare you? Hold up. I don't think so. I've heard this song. Yes, yeah. No, I've heard that part. Hold up. This is a huge, huge hit. I don't...

I don't know it. Who's the best guitarist of all time? Hendrix. Billy Ray? No? Hendrix. Hold on. All right, we're good. Strangahold. Yeah. So he's a big musician. He's famous for that. Cat Scratch Fever, another big song. Okay. He had a bunch of good songs. But then what happened? Then he got into politics and stuff? Well, he's just a bow hunter and very vocal about social issues. That's cool. And kind of a maniac. Right. Yeah. He's kind of a nutty dude. But he's a good guy.

But he's fun. Yeah. So then how does he have a son in Staten Island that I know? Well, his son, you know, I think he didn't know it was his son, right? It was one of those deals? But they're close. They're in a relationship. But he has another son, his son Rocco, that I've met. Right. He's a fun guy. Yeah.

I like him. It's a powerful name. I don't agree with everything he says, but that's the case with a lot of people. Yeah, yeah. To each their own. I think Hendrix is the greatest when it comes to guitarists because Hendrix changed songs with his guitar. Like Eric Clapton famously when he saw Hendrix play for the first time was like, what am I doing? Why am I even doing it? It's Eric Clapton. Right. Eric Clapton, Layla. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

I mean, he was amazing. How about Billy Ray Vaughan, though? Stevie Ray Vaughan. Sorry. Stevie Ray Vaughan. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Stevie Ray. Tim Pan Alley. Amazing. He used to play at our club. Yeah. I can't believe I said Billy Ray Vaughan. I got him confused with Billy Ray Cyrus. Billy Ray Cyrus. Don't tell my heart. My achy, breaky heart. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Tim Pan Alley is one of my favorite songs. Have you ever seen in the corridor when you're going on stage at the Mothership, those photos of Stevie Ray Vaughan? Those are him on stage at the Ritz.

Oh, crazy. From 1983. Wow. Yeah, he performed there a bunch of times. Yeah. Willie Nelson performed there. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah, that place has some history. Oh, you could feel it, dude. Yeah. It's burned in there. Yeah. I brought in Ghost Hunters to check it out.

Sam and Colby brought in Ghost Hunters. Did they find anything? I don't know. It's fun. It's fun. I don't know what's real. But someone was murdered there. Someone was definitely shot there, I think, in the 70s. At least one person. It used to be a nudie movie theater, and it was a pool hall.

So it was like a nudie movie theater, a pool hall. It was a punk rock club. There's like a lot of history in there. A lot of people of the night in there. Do you think it's possible that it was built on an Indian burial ground? Indian burial ground?

It's so much better that you fucked that up. You know, there used to be a swastika on the wall. Oh, yeah? Yeah. So when we tore down, so there's like, you know, wallboard, and you tear down the wallboard, you get to the raw brick, and on the raw brick, there's a fucking swastika on the wall. And we're like, this is crazy. And so while we're building the place up,

You know, I come in like four months later. I'm like, hey, guys, why is the fucking swastika still here? Like, we're going to open in like six months. You got to get rid of the swastika. So they tell one of the construction guys to take off the paint where the swastika is. And so you know what he does? He takes it off in the shape of the swastika. So he cleans it. So now it's brighter. Now it's like bright white. I'm like, hey, it's still a fucking swastika. Get it off the wall. Yeah.

Jesus Christ. Was it the swastika from like the Hindu symbol before? No, no, no, no. It was probably from the punk rock days. Somebody probably thought they were being crazy. Probably someone being a rebel. I'm a rebel. And they threw it up. Yeah, they threw it up. They painted it on the wall and it stayed there. Wow. Yeah.

They never cleaned it up. I'm like, this is so crazy. That reminds me of the old punchline in Atlanta that had the Vince Champ signature. This is Red Hot Chili Peppers. Oh, wow. Just fully naked on stage. Yeah, with socks over their dicks, remember? Oh, yeah. They used to do that. That was a good move back then. Yeah. You could get away with that. Show your pubes. Why not? Cover your balls in your cack with a sock. Throw it up. Cack.

That guy had good bodies. Nice lean bods. They did, yeah. They're still going. I saw a thing that said like hunter-gatherers, their bodies, not only the flexibility they had is unmatched, but they actually had bigger brains. You ever see this? That they actually think that they were smarter than us? They have bigger heads and bigger brains? Well, they probably had to process a lot of things. It's like, what is smart? Is it smart to just be able to use chat GPT and find answers to things? Or is it smart to have to

Figure stuff out about nature to stay alive right you know there's different kinds of intelligence if you take like the smartest guy ever and You let him loose in the Amazon. How long is he gonna live? He's not gonna live in Hawk It's not gonna make it hunter-gatherers generally had larger brains compared to later human populations as the demands of their lifestyle including complex foraging strategies and navigating diverse environments lightly put selective pressure on the evolution of larger brain capacity for problem-solving and planning that makes sense

Expensive tissue hypothesis. Interesting. Which suggests that a diet rich in meat allowed for the energy expenditure needed to maintain a larger brain. Did you see those, you know,

They found a new population of humans that existed as recently as, I think, 100,000 years ago. But they found them in China, and they have much larger heads. Really? Yeah. They thought they were Denisovans, I think, at one point in time, which also is a fairly new discovery. They found Denisovans in 2010.

But this is another one. This is another new species of human being that they studied that they found. And they had large heads. Haven't they found like 12, like 11 different hominids now? There's quite a few. There's quite a few. You know, including the really controversial ones like Homo floriensis or Floriessus. I think it's Floriensis.

What was that one? Those are the hobbit people. The island of Flores. They were little tiny three foot tall people. Little squeaks. Little twinks. Late 1970s. Yeah, there it is. Homo juliesus. Juliensus. Fossils began belonging to 16 individuals or found in two different locations in China. They appeared to belong to unique species, thousands of artifacts, stone tools, and animal bones. This one is the larger headed one. Is that the same one? No.

Is that it? Because it says in the late 70s, fossils. I think this is large. I know I have a photo of it here. I'll send it to you. Where's my phone? I know I have. I saved it because I wanted to look at. Yeah. Dragon Man. That's it.

Newly complete skull discovered in China in 1930 is a basis for the proposed new human species, Homo longi. That's it. Known as Dragon Man. Skull was found in 1933, Shanghua River in Harbin, China, where a bridge was being built. Okay, so the skull is a combination of ancient and modern features, including a large brain similar to modern humans and Neanderthals, a low forehead. Oh, this is it.

But how do they know that these are, couldn't it just be like a weird looking kid? Like if me and Giannis were laying down, you found our skeletons, you would think we might be different types of species. I mean, he's got a peanut head and I have a head like a Cro-Magnon. Good point, right? If you found Shaq buried right next to Bridget the Midget. It could just be different people. Yeah, yeah. That is. Good point. You want to talk about fumes. These kids definitely have fumes. Neanderthals. Oh my God, dude. What do they smell like? Must have been bad, dude.

Yeah, big time. Yeah. Here, Jamie, I think this is a different thing. I'm going to send it to you right now. I'm going to send you the title. I just saved it on my phone so I could look at it later. I didn't really look at it too much. Right. But they keep finding these new versions of humans. Right. So it's like, how many of them were there and why did we succeed? Like, what was so great about it? I think we were most vicious, right? Dogs. We just killed off the other ones. Dogs. You think dogs? Dogs. Dogs.

That's the answer. I know, dude. Yeah. You're 100% positive. My street smart says it. Science says it. It's nation in the understanding of how, but it's pretty solid that that's what gave us the edge. That we domesticated dogs. We teamed up with dogs and we had a symbiotic relationship and we were able to protect ourselves better. So this is it. Large head people. Mysterious new form of ancient human emerges. This is it.

So provocative new piece of nature's as proposed a whole new group of ancient humans cousins of the Denisovans and Neanderthals that once lived alongside Homo sapiens in eastern Asia more than a hundred thousand years ago Brains of these extinct humans who probably hunted horses in small groups were much bigger than any other hominin of their time including our own species This is it the large head people. Yeah, so that's it. It is that name though. I

Oh, no, no. In the past, it says. Some science have attributed to it. But that's not what they're saying. They think it's a different...

Some scientists have attributed the Juluren fossils to Denisovans or whatever, but one's lived to some level. In the past. So now they think it's a totally different thing, right? I didn't know people ate horses. Oh, yeah. Has every animal been eaten? Oh, a lot of people eat horses, man. In fact, Shavkat Rakhmanov, the number one contender in the welterweight division, says it's his favorite food. Horse meat. Yeah, he's from Kazakhstan. He rides horses and he eats horses. He's like, I love horse. He loves them all the way. You ever tried it? Yeah.

Yeah, I've had horse. Good? I had it in Montreal. There's a restaurant in Montreal, one of the best restaurants in the world. Shout out to Joe Beef. Oh, of course. Fucking incredible. Joe Beef. Incredible place. And we went there, Ari and I. We had, I went with Duncan too. We had horse tartare and we had horse loin. And it was good. Fucking really good. It's game. It's like wild game. It's like eating an antelope or eating an elk. Right. It's real similar. It's not bad. Yeah. But I remember it was on All in the Family.

When the bunkers were poor, they weren't doing so well, and Edith went to the store and she bought horse meat. And she served it to Archie. And it was like a big deal. It's like, I'm eating this horse. You remember that episode? I never saw it. I don't.

But again, another good impression. I remember it was like a real problem in the family that she fed him horse meat. But they were so poor. They didn't have any meat. Yeah. Well, I just feel bad for horses. I mean, they lug us around. They're also very sweet. Yeah. They're connected to people. I can't eat them. You can get connected to a horse. Yeah. I can't eat horses. I can't eat dogs. I just can't do it. Can't do it. Dogs get eaten a lot, unfortunately, right? I think dogs and humans are connected genetically. I think so, too. I think there's a place in our brain that kind of matches up

with them and like, yeah, we evolved together. Something's up. It's magical. Yeah, my dog, he's a part of my family. I'm connected to that dog. Yeah, me too. See, I don't want a dog, but maybe I should get a dog. You think I should just do it? Dogs are great, but you're a weirdo. You'd probably give them away. I would. You'd probably say, I can't take it anymore, so I gave it to this Puerto Rican family and they did it.

I did. They raised it to be an attack dog and I feel bad. Now he's attacking people. I would. I would. I got to be better with dogs. Like that fucking dream house you got rid of and you moved to the city like a retard. Like a fucking retard. And now I bought one that was too expensive because ChatGPT told me to.

Why didn't you try to buy your old house back? Oh, you did. You tried to buy it back. He doesn't want to sell it. They won't sell it. The guys won't sell it. But what can I do? What can you do? Nothing. Don't do that anymore. Call him now. Him and I talk about it. He's a much more logical person than you. He is. He is. He's more kind of controlled than me. I go a little wild, and he kind of keeps me back. Well, I mean, I'm not going to say I said it, but I don't know how controlled I am, but it was bought by...

Muslim family. A Palestinian family on October 8th. Yeah. After October 7th, the next day is when we sold it October 8th in my... That October 8th? That October 8th. Palestinians moved in October 8th. Boy, they move quick. Quick. Yeah, they came right in. I see the writing on the wall. Well, they see that they're in a place where they can accomplish it. So they're like, we can actually live there. Yep. And they just do it. So they moved in big. And yeah, and my neighbors were...

Kind of mad that we just picked up and left, but what can you do? I have to go. I have to move to Queens. You didn't have to. No. You should have called somebody. That's the time you should call me. Well, now I know. Yeah, please do. I'll be like, what the fuck are you talking about? You're like, you're right. You're right. Yeah, right. As soon as we get out of here, I'm going to call my accountant and see if we can rescind that offer or are we locked in legally?

I just found out Chats and BTs liar. Do you get panicky? Oh, yeah. I get real panicky. Yet you still do these impulsive things. I still do it because I think I don't do drugs. So I think I get... And so this is a... My father was a compulsive gambler and told me never to gamble. So I thought I escaped it because I don't know anything about cards and sports gambling. I don't know anything about it. You do it with life choices. Yes, which is kind of a little riskier. A lot of people do. Yep. A lot of life choice gamblers out there. But now I'm looking for peace. I'm looking for my path to peace. So I'm trying to just...

You know? Be peace. Radical acceptance. Radical acceptance. Being friendly with my present, being gentle with life. We're trying. Therapy is bad. We're trying, baby. Yeah. It's scary. You just run mountains or something. That's what it is. Well, I tried to, but I got a bad Achilles.

That can be fixed. I know, but I've been trying for six months. What's wrong with your Achilles? I don't know, man. It hurts? Well, I have tendinosis in the Achilles, and they did the x-ray, and they see some scar tissue in there, so they actually told me. Why don't you get stem cells? Well, I can't get them in New York. You can get them here. Here? I'll come down here. They told me PRP. That'll help, too. Spin the blood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Platelet-rich plasma. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, but you should get stem cells while you're here. How long are you in town for? I go home tonight.

Damn. But I can come back. Okay. Come back. Are you booked at the club anytime? No. You should come back. And when you come back, we'll set it up so you go to Wastewell before. Yeah. And I'll get a little stem cell. Because a buddy of mine, my friend Evan, had a fucked up Achilles. It was bothering him for years. And he got stem cell today. Gone. Painful. Really? Yeah. It was bothering him for years. That's me. It's two years with this. I have a growth on the back of my heel.

From the bone yeah, like the bones irritated. Yep. Yeah, yeah, and it's all fucked up, but I do have a clean colon I had two polyps under three centimeters. We're good to go graduation clean ass. So to see we got our colonoscopies a month apart Everyone should get a colonoscopy starting at 40 everyone should get it. It's on the rise You know what you could really do you could do a comprehensive blood screen to test you for all cancers not just asshole cancer and

Well, they have that now. It's a lot easier and it's better. You never did a colonoscopy? I had one once. Right. How dare you bring it up? What?

Why? What's wrong with that? Nothing. I didn't wake up that hard. I think that if you go... I didn't have a colonoscopy, no. I had an exam where they go in there with their fingers. They didn't put the scope in there? No. He woke up during his because he liked it. I woke up. I swear to God. I wasn't even hard. I'm not even fucking around. I woke up in the middle of it because I just knew something was in my ass. I woke up. I woke up.

I went Mateo. I fell back asleep. But they can screen you with this. I forget what it's called. They do that at Ways to Well, too. They send it off to a lab. They take your blood and they screen you for like 100 kinds of cancer. Right.

That's the way to go. Yeah. They got the full body scans now too. They're trying to attach, there was some paper that I was reading that was trying to attach cooking oils with cancer, specific kinds of cooking oils in colon cancer. Specific types of seed oils that things are cooked in and the prevalence of that and the human diet and how it's contributing to cancer.

Yeah. We're calling cancers on the rise. Why is this stuff not available in New York? Why can you only do this kind of stuff in Texas? You could do it in New York. I guarantee you. You just don't know the right people. I guarantee. You probably can't do stem cells to the extent. There's not a lot of these clinics because of a lot of FDA regulations. Utah's a really good state for it. They have much looser regulations. Right. But a lot of people wind up going to Mexico. There's a place in Mexico called the CPI, Cellular Performance Institute. A lot of UFC fighters go there because-

They have an arrangement with the UFC. You could do wild shit down in Mexico. That's what Aaron Rodgers did, right, with his Achilles. He went down there and got the stem cells. He's good to go. Yep. Yep. Yeah. He actually got treated here. He got treated at Wastewell. Right. Aaron Rodgers did. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I should just go. Yeah, you definitely should. If I had known that you had that issue, I would have got you in early this morning. Oh, thank you. Fuck. I'll come back. Yeah. Ron White actually just went and he hurt himself doing yoga. And he fucked up his ankle. They just treated him. And now he's good.

Well, he just got it yesterday. It's gonna take a while for it's better right, but it will get you better a lot quicker than not having it That's for sure. Yeah, you know I know a lot of people that have had like pretty serious issues cleared up like torn Achilles Torn torn ligaments long. It's not fully torn. No, no, then you definitely need surgery. I

You know, Achilles is a bad one because it's like, God, it's like there's so much torque on that when you're moving. And then they've got to screw it back down to your bone. And then it's got to heal and make sure you strengthen it enough before you start using it. So you have to be real diligent about your rehab. Like, look how long it took Aaron Rodgers. And he has state-of-the-art access to...

And he was way ahead of the curve, way ahead of what it takes most people to do. But even then, he couldn't really play, play that year. He had to wait until it was, you know, like the next season. Those used to be like career ending. Yep. And now it's good. Now they're just – I got –

I got, yeah, because I've been doing like calf exercises and like strengthening all around. And it's just like a year and a half. I'm like, dude, the pain is still there if I explode too much. So, but it's also, I mean, what am I going to do? I got horrific feet, Joe. My feet are horrific. My toes cross over. I have no arches. I have feet that look like they should be shoved into high heels. Have you ever worked out with barefoot shoes before?

You know those minimalist... They have to custom make them for his feet. Yeah, where you put your toe into each individual hole. No, no, I don't mean that. You can get those too. Those are like the barefoot shoes. Those help? Yeah, those are okay. Those are good. The toe shoes, I used to have those. But the ones I really like are they have a wide toe box so your feet spread out and there's very minimal amount of sole just to kind of protect you from sharp things you stand on. Got it. But it allows your feet...

to move as individual units. So a regular shoe acts as like a cast. Like if you have like a thick sole boot and like a hard surface your foot sits on, it's like a cast. So your toes aren't really working. Your legs are picking it up, but your foot is basically atrophying inside that.

And then if you work out barefoot, and especially if you work out and you do something explosive like jumping and stuff with barefoot, then you're using your feet the way they're supposed to be used. Got it. All the muscle strength. Got it. A lot of people have very, very weak feet. Yeah. I can't even move my toes individually. Like if you're like, Chris, move your toe, I'll go like this. You can't do this? No, I can't do it. Wow. Wow.

That's crazy. I mean, yeah, it's horrible. You should probably take care of that before it gets bad. See? Yeah, it's the only thing. Go ahead, ask me to move my toe. Say, move my toe. Say, Chris, move your toe. Somebody say it. Move your toes. You have basketball feet like I do. Yeah. That's all I could do. You see? LeBron's feet are like that, too. Did you play a lot of basketball? I did, yeah. Maybe that's it. I did. Maybe it's all that smushing in the shoe. It could be. Is that what it is, Jamie? Yeah, definitely. Like, pshh.

I had to wear extra pairs of socks up until I was 18. Yeah, put that fucking hoof back in. No good, right? But then you see on the ankle here, I got a little bony. Yeah, that's where it's fucked up. But I do have good hamstring flexibility, not bad. That's not bad. Congratulations on that. Thank you, sir. LeBron's free to evil looking. Yeah. He hasn't been playing, right? Did he come back to the NBA yet? He just missed two games. Oh. He's coming back? What happened?

Did we hurt? Whatever. Who knows? He needed time to get his body right. Oh, that's right. The timeout. Who knows? Who knows? Anybody who takes out of anything now, people are like, Diddy! That's crazy, dude. Imagine him regretting saying, there's his feet. Oh, damn. Just smashed up. I mean, that pinky toe is brutal. A lot of kickboxers have feet like that, too. Oof. Feet all fucked up. Brutal. Imagine how many...

You think about kickboxers, how many elbows they've kicked. Like, Jon Jones can't even fight unless he has his big toe on his left foot taped to his next toe. He has to have it taped up because he tore his toe completely upside down when he was beating up Chael Sonnen. And he didn't realize it until I was interviewing him after the fight. And then he looks down and sees his toe. He's like, oh! He freaks out and he has to sit down. The adrenaline, he didn't even feel it. Didn't even feel it. His toe was upside down. Wow. The bottom of his toe was facing up. Wow. It was horrible. I don't know.

I would probably say one-on-one him, anyone in history, just because of how skilled he is. That's what his foot looked like. Oh, my God. Yeah, bro. Yo. It was crazy. So you noticed it first, though? No, I think he did. I think he noticed it. I think he looked down. Oh, God. Yeah. He destroyed his toe. So what happened? It twisted all the way around? That's from the force of beating the fuck out of Chael Sonnen. That's what that's from. Like, ground and pound when he had him on the ground, just smashing down on him. Jeez.

Somebody isolated the moment his toe curls over. You could see it in the replay. The moment his toe, just the amount of torque he was putting on to try to kill Chael Sundin. Is he doing proria or aspinal? Aspinal. I think it's going to be aspinal. I think they're trying to come to some sort of an agreement. The rumor is that he wants $30 million and that UFC is going to pay it.

Hopefully. I hope they pay. I agree with him. Him and Pereira would be the fight everyone wants to see. Perhaps. Because he's been so dominant that game. Yeah, perhaps. I mean, if it's going to happen, they're both 37. It should probably happen soon. But John is the heavyweight champion of the world, and Pereira has challengers in the light heavyweight division, especially Ankalayev. He's supposed to be fighting Ankalayev. Ankalayev is fucking very dangerous. Yeah.

and I think he's the number one contender. And he's been on a winning streak for a long-ass time. He's only got one draw, and that was to Jan Blachowicz, who was the former champion. So he's at the top of the heap, and he's been waiting for a title shot for a long time, but he's been talking a lot of shit, and Alex doesn't like that he talks shit. So he's like, fuck him, make him wait. And so I think Alex just said that he's going to fight in March and that he's not going to fight Ankalayev. Because if he's fighting in March, when is Ramadan?

You're asking the wrong guy. I thought you'd be the guy. I thought you'd be the guy. I thought you would know. I think it's in the summer. It's February 28th. Oh, okay. So...

He wouldn't be able to fight. Uncle I wouldn't be able to fight in March because if it's like March 3rd and he's got to go through the entire month of Ramadan preparing for a world title fight. February 28th and it ends Saturday, March 29th. See, that's exactly during the time period where he's going to fight. And with Ramadan, for the whole month, you can only drink water? No, no, no. You can't. You definitely can drink water and you can eat food, but you can only do it after sundown. So-

Bala Muhammad, who's the UFC welterweight champion, he observes Ramadan and he was training and fighting. You know, he'd have to take a fight during Ramadan. So what he would do is he would get up at like 430 in the morning before it was dark out, before it was light out rather, and he'd have a big meal and

And then he would go to the gym and then he would have no water at the gym, nothing. And then at the end of the day, and also he also didn't sleep during the day. Like a lot of them, like their hack of that is they just sleep during the day and train and eat at night. But he said that if you do that, then you miss out on the religious suffering, which he thinks is very important for Ramadan.

So he would do it the way you're supposed to do it, where he worked out with no water, trained. Oh, my God. And then he would finally get to the nighttime session. He'd be able to eat and then have a nighttime training session like a little later than normal. And so that's how he would do his day. Wow. That's why these dudes are dominating. They're just tougher. Discipline. He started working with the Dagestani guys, right? And then now he just turned into a beast. Well, those guys are hard-

Fucking core. They want no distractions, no women, no bullshit. Get off your phone. Let's go to work. They're probably not jerking off, if we're being honest. Probably. They keep it loaded up. Keep a loaded glue gun. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. It's something about having a loaded glue gun, right? When you're going into the ring, you want to be glued up full of glue. Some people believe that. Yeah. Some people believe that you're not supposed to ejaculate within a couple weeks of a big fight.

Didn't you not masturbate out of respect at 9-11? That is true. What was it? Well, I wanted to go until we found Bin Laden, the perpetrator, but obviously that was too long, but I did go until October 1st. From 9-11 to October 1, I said, as my respect back to this country and patriotism, I'm not going to glue at all until we get out of this month of September. Didn't Louis have a joke about he waited until his second tower fell?

Probably. Like he jerked off. It's funny. I think it was a joke. He didn't make it until the second tower fell. Yeah.

Dude, I remember there was like a vigil like on September 18th or whatever, like a week later in like my neighborhood. And I was playing basketball. I was a basketball player. And I was playing in the park. And I remember when I left, everyone was just standing outside their house with like American flags and candles. And I wouldn't dribble my basketball because I was like I think like a sound or any type of dribble of a ball. Disrespectful. Disrespectful. And then a guy gave me a flag like as I was walking as if to say take one of these as you're walking home. And I just walked with that flag. Yeah.

I love our fucking country big, Joe. Okay. Jesus. Yeah. I just love it, and I hate when people talk shit about it. Yeah. Well, get ready. Yeah. It's coming. We got some drones. Just listen to Joy Reid. Yeah. We should try to swap those things out of the air. What do you think they are, if you had to guess? I think they are... I was joking about the AI thing. I think they're Chinese. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't want to say this on such a big podcast.

I'm available to the CCP for whatever they need me to do. Disinformation will do it. I think that they are sniffing the radiation. I think that that's the most plausible that I don't know if they know about it, if not, but I think they're probably looking for radiation. I don't know that a nuke's necessarily going off, but I think that's probably what it is. If I had to just guess, if I really had to guess. Well, I think they're being launched from submarines underwater.

Yes. Well, that's what's crazy is like if that's the case, how many submarines and how big are these submarines? Because these things are the size of an SUV and some of them were coming from some like untrackable distance offshore, 50 plus miles offshore. And they're the size of an SUV and they could stay in the air for five hours. So what's the power source?

And then the other problem is they don't exhibit a heat signature like a regular drone does. So do they have some sort of cooling? Is that why they can't track them? Yeah, they're having a hard time tracking them because of that. They're having a hard time tracking them in infrared. They don't know why they can stay in the sky for five hours at a time, right?

Ryan Graves, who's a fighter pilot, was on the other day and he was explaining to us there's certain aspects to some of these drones that are above state of the art. They're doing things that we can't do. The big one is the flying for that many hours. That's crazy. The heat signature part, that's crazy. All the jammers and all different things they try to do to find the signal it's on, none of that works. What does he think it is then? Why don't they just knock one out of the air? Mm-hmm.

That's what I don't understand. That's a good question. That's what makes me skeptical to think that- Does he think it's government? Could be American. I sent you something earlier today, Jamie, that I knew this subject was going to come up about it. I don't know. There's also some stuff. Like, is it real? I don't know if it's real. I don't know what we're looking at. But there's some stuff with these orbs that they're filming. Oh, yeah. And they've zoomed in on them. And you look at the zoomed in version of it, you're like, what the fuck is that? Like, what is that goddamn thing? We just don't know if it's real or not.

FAA bans drones in parts of New Jersey, threatens deadly force for imminent security threat. These areas have all now been deemed national defense airspace. The aviation administration issued bans on flying drones in multiple cities across New Jersey, including several in our area due to security reasons. These areas are all now considered national defense airspace.

Here's a map of those sites. The city of Camden, Gloucester City, Winslow Township, Evesham, Hancocks Bridge and Lower Alloways Township in Salem County, West Hampton, Burlington and Hamilton. Unmanned aircraft are not allowed in those areas through January 17th unless approved by the federal government. The FAA says pilots who violate the airspace, meaning pilots on the ground as well, may be detained and interviewed by law enforcement. The

The agency warns that the U.S. government may use deadly force against drones it deems an imminent threat.

These restrictions come just days after the FBI released a joint government statement saying most of the reported drone sightings were just airplanes, manned drones, and stars in the sky. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Listen, Donald Trump is not giving press conferences about airplanes and stars in the sky. Right. You don't think that he knows something more than that? I was going to ask, do you think he knows? He's not staying at his golf course. He wouldn't go to his golf course because they were hovering over the golf course. There's a real problem. This is...

This gaslighting is not helping anybody. Do you think it just goes out of the news one day or we will get an answer as the public? I don't know. I would never have guessed that it would be this big of a deal for so long. How long has it been going on? Since early November or mid-November, I think. Yeah, around Thanksgiving. And it's been the same... Isn't it been like the same type of year, same time of year, like for a couple of years that this has been happening? But not like this. It's been like...

It's never gone. Not this many. But they were going over military bases. And now they're just going over New Jersey. Jamie, pull the video up of the one that I got on my Instagram. So I took this one from, I forget what the Instagram page is, but it's up on the page to give them a shout out. I don't know what this is. I don't know if this is fake. This is the one we were looking at earlier. I showed it to these guys in the green room last night. We were all freaking out. Like, okay, what is that?

The way the goddamn thing moves. That's my favorite meme of yours. So click on it so we can hear it. That meme gets used for so many different things. Listen to these guys talking when they're talking. There's no clouds. Quiet. So you see this thing. Look at it on the camera. It's like a dome. So what you're concentrating on is the one on the lower right. What the fuck?

So it's moving. No, that's not moving quick enough. There's no tail. That's a UFO. What the fuck?

So when it gets above, this is where it gets weird because it's slowly rising. It gets above that other thing, which might be the moon. I'm not sure what that other thing is. I think it's the moon. So that other thing, it gets above it and then it starts taking off. And when it starts taking off, it does it with no sound at a fucking insane rate of speed. Like, look at that. It's taking off.

What the fuck? It just went out to space. It just went out to space. Oh my God. It just went out to space. That's wild. Those guys are reacting like they're watching it. Yeah. I don't know if that's real. It could be fake. It could be all AI generated. It's ambiguous and blurry enough, though, that I'm willing to entertain it.

Right.

that this thing moved and then shot off into space. And this lady got photos of it. But whatever that thing's doing, it's doing something that we can't do. That speed that that thing takes off, that's faster than any rocket we have. That's faster than any fighter jet. That thing just shoots off into space at some impossible speed.

So it's either us, the drones are either... Why are they blinking if it's not us? That one wasn't blinking. No, but I mean the drones. I'm saying the drones are blinking. So I'm saying if the drones are ours, maybe there's been UFO activity and they're throwing these drones up to try to capture it with better... Or...

What better way to distract people from actual UFOs that you know are going to be all over the sky than to put a bunch of drones up there too? Right. That too. Yeah. If you have a bunch of shit that seems like stuff that you've seen, like a drone flying around...

Then there's stuff that is impossible with it. That's a good way to cover up the impossible stuff Have a bunch of regular drones. Yeah, but at this point why would they do that? Everyone's already accepted the fact that UFOs are out there Not really if there was a big thing where all of a sudden the sky was filled with football field-sized fucking motherships like people would lose their shit but if you could slowly get people accustomed to it the way people got accustomed to masks and

In the beginning, in 2019, if you saw someone with a mask on, you'd be like, what the fuck is going on? By 2021, why doesn't this guy have a mask on? Just in a couple of years, everybody was wearing a mask. We get accustomed to stuff. If you get accustomed to things being in the sky, and then all of a sudden there's nothing –

like you could float anything in the sky. If you have weirder and weirder drones and then start showing spaceships, people would freak out way less. Right. I don't know, dude. If someone tells me this is a drone, I'm chill. And if someone shows me a football field size spacecraft, I'm going to freak out. That's a big leap. In a good way. What about one the size of a car?

That's definitely not ours. So you think they're just doling them out by size? If I was going to do that, if I was going to get people prepared for an imminent invasion, like if I knew that there was UFOs on the way, if we're working at the James Webb Telescope and we've

We get a photo of a mothership and it's heading towards us. It's going to be here in four months. What would you do? Well, if I knew that they were going to be sending drones and probes into our atmosphere and maybe they've already done that, to obscure that, I would put a bunch of our drones up there and have them hover over cities so it doesn't freak people out because you know that that's coming. I mean, being freaked out is probably the least of our problems when they come. Well, collapse of civil society?

is really possible if aliens show up. Like, if they just instantaneously showed up,

Things could completely collapse if we knew that our leaders are just nothing compared to these new things that are visiting us from some other place and doing things that are impossible with our technology. We're helpless. We're lost. We're confused. They could shut down nuclear power plants. They can shut down the grid. They can shut down any weapon systems that we have. Instantaneously, power goes off. If all those stories are true...

The best way to keep people from absolutely freaking out is to slowly trickle it in on them and get them more and more accustomed to this, like as a psy-op. How committed are you to this theory? Not very. Yeah. Not very. I go all over the place. Yeah. I think according to someone that I spoke to, and this is someone who has high-level clearance and someone who worked for the government in this capacity,

He said some of these are not. They're not human. They're not exhibiting whatever they are. They're exhibiting technology that is far beyond what we're capable of. And then there's other ones, like Ryan Graves said, that are beyond state of the art, but you can kind of sort of get that they would be a drone. But how is it in the air for five hours? How does it not have a heat signature? How does it...

How does it know when other drones are coming near it when they're flying jets near it and they just shut the lights off and disappear These things are just shutting off. This isn't they're really it did maybe they're alien drones. It's possible And if you were in drones also if you were an alien and you wanted to get people accustomed to this without freaking out Wouldn't you start sending drones that are similar to what we have but just many levels better and

but similar enough so you go oh i know what that is or they could just like get on the tv and get like hey dudes we're but they probably if they could get here they know to speak our language and they just go hey dudes we're chill they can morph we're coming here or they just go hey guys it's over we're gonna use we're gonna like you guys have seen the matrix we're about to use you for some sort of fuel yeah whatever they're gonna do or maybe they're not gonna be mean to us at all that's possible too if they're that intelligent they're not mean

They're not mean people who... You mean like us? Yeah. Yeah, we're not... That's hilarious. Or maybe the prison planet thing I said in the beginning of the show, this is how it happens. Well, you ever heard Bob Lazar talk about one of the most disturbing things that he found? What? No. One of the most disturbing things when he was doing the back engineering program on this supposed crashed alien spaceship or recovered alien spaceship was that they had a thick binder that was about religion.

And the thing, we'll have him play it. We'll have him play it, 'cause it's one of those ones we've played a few times. But it's, the Bob Lazar stories, they're crazy. 'Cause if he's telling the truth, and it seems like he's definitely telling the truth about a lot, he definitely worked at Los Alamos Labs, he was on the employee roster, he has a detailed understanding of the building, he knew all the security people when they took him there, when George Knapp took him on a tour through there.

He definitely worked there and he definitely was a propulsions expert and he says they hired him to go and try to figure out this fucking thing. Here, listen to this. The hardcore thing is that there is an extremely classified document dealing with religion and it's about that thing, period. But why would there be any classified material dealing with religion?

I want to go back to the religion thing. I want you to say it. It's just, it's so far out. Alright, your objection has been noted. What does it say? That we're containers. That's how supposedly the aliens look at us. That we are nothing but containers. Containers of? Containers.

Maybe containers of souls, you can come up with whatever theory you want, but we're containers. And that's how we're mentioned in the documents. That religion was specifically created so we have some rules and regulations for the sole purpose of not damaging the containers.

That's George Knapp, by the way. Shout out to George Knapp. I mean, too freaked out. But it's kind of what you were talking about. The prison planet theory doesn't seem so crazy if the advanced alien race is eating our negative emotions. Just don't be negative.

And you'll be saved, dude. Just be happy. That's what they've been trying to tell you. Bob Marley, everybody's been trying to tell you this. What is this, Jamie? What are you showing me here? I believe that video you posted is from April. April 12, 2024, Mountain Standard Time in eastern Arizona off the Black River in the White Mountains, the Fort Apache Indian Reservation.

And, oh, by the way, my friend Cam Haynes, he hunts at one of the Apache reservations. He says they see them there all the time. Wow. He said they see crazy shit in the sky all the time. These guys are hunting out there in, you know, this enormous reservation. Yeah. Like unbelievable pristine forest land. He said they see crazy shit there.

and they just accept it, that it's true. Right. I believe that. Most of the guys working there have seen something. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense to me. That's also where Travis Walton, this guy, that was in Arizona too, wasn't it, Jamie? This version of the video, you can almost make out the moon. I don't know if this is better because it's been reposted less. It does look better. It definitely looks better.

So this is the same thing. Are you freaked out by this? 100%. Yeah. Yeah, but not enough that it's going to fuck up my day. Right? Because it freaks me out, but it's not freaking me out like I can't sleep. Right. It's freaking me out. Like Ukraine freaks me out where I can't sleep. Yeah. You know, like that stuff freaks me out. The looking for a nuke in the East Coast, that freaks me out where I'll fuck with my sleep. Right. If I think about that before I go to bed, the one thing that I genuinely, here it takes off. Let's take a look at it while it's taking off.

And this is the thing. It's like there's no sound. Look how fast it's going. Yeah. Like what could go that fast? What the fuck can go that fast? It's crazy. That is insane. That has to be, I don't want to guess how many thousands of miles an hour that thing is going. But if you are a person inside, you're jello. Yeah. If you're going that fast. Paul Verzi's dad and mom.

Saw it and it was not only the dad mom. It was like an aunt they were all there and I asked his mom She's like a religious person and she said yeah I mean and they said it was low had lights on it the father and the father is you know Bronx is a funny guy Yeah, and he say doesn't believe in that stuff and it was low like above the tree line He made it out It was a saucer and then he said it shot up and turned into a dot in the sky and this was in the 80s Do you guys ever hear the Betty and Barney Hill story? No, I

Betty and Barney Hill were a couple in, I think it was the 1950s. Oh, yes. I know this story. They were the first abduction story. And they did hypnotic regression and they both had the same story that they were taking. They saw something in the sky. They pulled over their car and then they woke up and they don't know what the fuck happened. Wow. But they were haunted by this and they have hypnotic regression and they tell this crazy story about being taken aboard this craft. It's very similar to Travis Walton's story. It's very similar to a bunch of stories of abduction.

And what is this, like they get tested on? Or they just don't remember anything? You know, it's hard to say when you're dealing with hypnotic reductionism.

Because the thing about these when they're you're recalling things through hypnosis is like people are very susceptible To someone imparting a memory into them so you'd have to know like what was the process like in which you interviewed these people but John Mack who is a psychologist from Harvard wrote a book called abduction that I read in the 1990s that

that detailed all the different people that he worked on, that he was having these hypnotic regression sessions with these people, and they were all telling these similar stories about being abducted, and that he believed that there was a few people on Earth where they would revisit

They would find, just like we do with animals, where we put collars on them, right? They catch like a mountain lion. They'll put a collar on that mountain lion so they can understand where the mountain lion's going, where his terrain is. They do it with wolves. When they relocate them, they put collars on them so they know where they are all the time.

And it makes sense that they would probably want to understand us. So they would pick certain ones. And if they had a way to silence your memories and, you know, completely put you in some sort of a state where they could manipulate you and take you to some place and do examinations on you and then put you back with no memory of it other than these like weird nightmares. Yeah.

That makes sense. Well, it shows that they're compassionate if they put you back. I guess. Or that, you know, this is how they study you. They want to know. I mean, there's no stories of them stealing people, right? They always bring you back. But like, if that's real, like, what's the purpose of it? Like, what are they doing? I would imagine they're studying us the same. Like, if we could study chimps...

and the chimps had no idea we studied them, like, we would do that. Instead, we'd dart them. We'd dart them, and then they'd wake up, and they're like, what the fuck? You know, but that's how we do it. And they would probably do it in a real similar way, just more sophisticated. How about that other abduction story about those guys? They were like those rural guys in the 70s or something? Travis Walton.

Oh, that was him? That's the Arizona story, the logger. Those guys, I believe them. That story is crazy because the other guys in the truck, one of the guys hated him. He got in a fist fight with that guy the day of the abduction. He still told the same story that everybody told. He walked up to this craft. They saw it flying through the air. Wasn't that in Arizona too?

Was it Travis Walton case in Arizona? That one was crazy, yeah. I believe it was. Arizona's a hotspot for it. I mean, that's the Phoenix Lights. Phoenix Lights was crazy. Crazy, crazy. And a lot of people saw that one. Thousands of people saw it, including the fucking governor. Yeah. So then why is this one catching on in the news? Because it's more. This is more prevalent, and it's lasting for days and days and days. Got it. And I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Do you think they just want to be there for the inauguration? Ah!

Probably. Well, they're really early. They're like fucking tailgating. Yeah, they're tailgating. They're tailgating the inauguration. We're going to be there. We're going to be there. We're going to be close. July, I'm sorry. January 18th, we're doing a show in Washington, D.C. at the Lincoln Theater, our History Annias live show. Bring your Geiger counter.

Well, we said, we were like, why 22 days before the inauguration? We were like, what the fuck are we doing? Yeah, we're doing a live, the first live history show. January 18th. January 18th, Washington, D.C. But good time. In D.C., it'll be fine. It's a good time to do it. I mean, but we were like, fuck it. Oh, who knows? Better than January 21st. That one, I wouldn't count on being there. We're doing it at 5 o'clock in the afternoon. I like doing earlier shows now. You ever do that? You ever do like a 5 p.m.? No, no. We think that's where the world's going. Right.

with like, we don't think people want to be out until midnight, 1 a.m. anymore. What do you think? You think that's stupid? You think earlier shows work? Would you experiment with them? Yeah, I mean, sure. I mean, Bert Kreischer has always done like afternoon shows, like Take the Day Off work show. Oh, really? Yeah, Bert's been doing those for years. Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah, I mean, Doug Stanhope does those day drinking shows. He actually filmed one at the Mothership. Oh, I didn't know that. Did some day drinking shows. Yeah, I mean, why not? I mean, the club is there all day long. Why not have shows during the day if you want to? If you want, if you can sell them. Especially if it's dark out. The club's dark as shit. It's dark when it's noon. It's like you could totally have the same experience at noon.

that you could at night. But it seems like at nighttime, people are off work, you get a couple of cocktails, get a little loose, sit in the dark, have a good time. But on a Saturday, sometimes I feel like people just sit around all day and wait for the show. If you can put it at 5 o'clock, why not? Sure. Look, that's why they like to go to football games, right? Right. During the afternoon? Yeah. I mean, you certainly could. You certainly could have day shows. Yeah. Especially if you have a big name. You know, someone, they're willing to do something. Most people like to go out at night.

You know, like to go to dinner, get a couple drinks, go to a show. That's a nighttime thing. But that's just, they're just accustomed to it, especially if it's Saturday or Sunday. You totally could get away with it. I'm just a morning baby. I like to wake up early and then I like to- What time do you get up? I'm a 6 a.m. little baby boy that wakes up- How long before you look at your phone? What I used to look at it right away, but now I give myself 15 minutes. 15 solid minutes? I give 15 minutes and I get my feet on the floor and I just try to- What if you have to piss? Well, I- You don't piss without your phone. Stop lying.

Let me think about that. If you get up in the middle of the night to piss, do you grab your phone? That I don't do because I'm in a slumber, so it's kind of like I'm in a slumber state of piss. But you're right. When I do get up, when I do get—actually, I never really have to piss in the morning when I wake up because I do piss in the middle of the night. But that is a good point. I typically, if I have to piss, I do take my phone. That's a good point. But mostly, if I don't have to piss, I will go 15 minutes. I try to do it. And I just try to breathe and get friendly with the present. Yeah.

Get friendly with the present. You got to do it, baby. Do you do any meditation or mindfulness stuff? Sure, yeah. So good. Every day? Well, I do a lot of different things that also act like that, like my time in the sauna. I think that's very meditative, especially when I'm just concentrating on breathing and getting through the last 10, 15 minutes.

Cold plunge, I think that's a very meditative state too because you have to be in control of your emotions and your anxiety because you want to get the fuck out of there. And you have to just stare at the clock and make sure you do your time. But also other things that I do. What do you stay? How long in the cold plunge? Three minutes. Three minutes. Not bad.

Yeah. I can't even do a cold shower. Dude, I can't believe we're doing maybe the last podcast on Earth after an alien invasion is coming. I don't think aliens are going to stop podcasting. I think they like podcasts. They like it, right? Yeah. They're going to love yours for sure. You're an advocate for them. Yeah. So I'm on their side. Yeah. Come visit me. Yeah. I'm shocked they haven't visited me yet. I'm upset. Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe they'll come. You wouldn't be freaked out, right? I'd definitely be freaked out. Yeah. I mean, how do you not be freaked out when you're confronted with the thing that everybody's wondered forever? Are we alone? Yeah. And if you know you're definitely not alone, no matter who you are and what you say, I don't care if you're the baddest motherfucker on the planet, you run into an alien, you're going to freak out.

But why is that not comforting? Like, I'm a kid who doesn't like loneliness, and it'd be nice to know that there's other things out there. What if they're completely indifferent to us? What if they've completely eliminated emotion? Yeah, but what's the difference between them and, like, people? And their cold is calculated like a computer. We have those here. Yeah, but they're not telling you what you can and can't do with your life. They're not shutting down your power grid. They're not, like, coming over to rule over humanity. That's the worry. Right.

I mean, what's the worst they could do? The worries that they rule over us the way we rule over countries. But maybe they do a better job. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, what's the worst they could do, really? Look at you. Yeah. What's the worst that could happen? What does ChatGPT say about it? Huh? We asked ChatGPT the other day. What did they say? If the Tic Tac was a UFO, we kept, like, beating it down, asking it more and more questions. Like, it's exhibiting something. What are the possibilities? If it is extraterrestrial, where would it come from? They gave us, like, a list of, like, star systems that are close by, like,

Wow. Yeah, you keep pestering ChatGP, too. I kept going with it. I asked it to make an artistic rendition of what it thought it would look like. What the Tic Tac looked like? Yo. At first, I made it huge, and I was like, that's a little too big, isn't it? Yeah, maybe, but not big as those Mothership ones. I don't know what it is, but it's fun. I like all this. I like all this chaos. Yeah. I think it's fun. I enjoy it when things get real sideways for some strange reason. They were also probably been coming forever, just now everyone's got phones, and now they're just capturing.

I think it's in the Bible. I think the Ezekiel story in the Bible is an alien visitation. What is that they're saying? They talk about these lights similar? It talks about a wheel within a wheel. The way Ezekiel describes this vision that he sees, like something that had multiple different animal heads on it, it describes it as a wheel within a wheel.

The way he's describing, like, you would imagine, like, if you saw something beyond your fucking wildest imagination, and then you tried, you know, years later to write this down, or not even write it down, right? Because it was told as an oral tradition for a long time before it was ever written.

Who knows what the actual event was that he described, but there's a lot of ancient religious texts, including the Vimanas from the Bhagavad Gita, all these different stories of things flying in the air that exhibit extraordinary flight characteristics.

that move the way we describe UFOs. So that's a good point then. Just because we have the capability to film this and know about it now doesn't mean that they're going to expose themselves because they've been doing this for thousands of years. If you read Jacques Vallée's books on it, Jacques Vallée is the guy, he's a scientist that they...

He was the reason why they had that French guy in Close Encounters, the third count. You ever see that? Close Encounters, Steven Spielberg? Long time ago. Great fucking movie. But there was this French scientist they bring in to try to help people get through this. It's based on Jacques Vallée. And he was a podcast guest. Very cagey. Didn't answer a lot of questions. Okay. Probed him a lot. But his books are fascinating. And one of the things about his books, I read the first one. I'm into the second one right now. In the first one, he goes into detail about...

through the 1700s 1800s all these different sightings all these different experiences that people documented in news stories and different and they're all super similar man similar enough that different versions of it you could kind of attribute it to different people lacking the words to adequately explain some super paranormal bizarre experience but real similar i

I think they've probably always been here. If they're real, if we are visited by something that's either interdimensional or from another planet, they've probably been doing this for a long fucking time, monitoring us the same way we monitor animals on this planet.

- And they'll never, maybe never say who they really are. - Well maybe they're getting ready to because we're about to unleash these fucking quantum computers and AI and maybe that is the thing that they're here to make sure goes smoothly. - Right. - 'Cause if you had to imagine one thing that would completely change the capability of this race of savage, barbarian, territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons, which is what we are, you would like, right when they're about to achieve godlike powers,

Like, let's, like, hover. Wow. That makes sense. It really does make sense when you put it into that context, which is actually reality. That we are about, we are on the precipice of something that is so unimaginable. Bigger than the split of the atom. Yeah. Bigger than anything. Right. Like, literally something. You're blowing my mind right now. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we really, when you think so...

Your anxiety's gonna go up. Yeah, I mean, well, no, my anxiety's about stupid stuff, which is weird. So, yeah, this stuff just doesn't bother me, but I get bothered by stupid stuff. What is wrong with me? Because this stuff is not genuinely affecting you right now. If it was, if it was inescapable...

If it was like hovering over this building right now, we wouldn't be able to have a podcast. We'd all be outside. We'd be going, what the fuck, man? If there's some silent thing that's three miles long that's blocking out the sky and it's hovering 300 yards above us, we would all be freaking the fuck out. So my question is like Elon Musk probably has like what –

IQ of like 140 or something? Probably, at least. So what is chat GPT's IQ considered now? Well, once chat GPT, once they achieve, and they think they're going to be able to do this in 2025, when it achieves artificial general intelligence, I think what it will be is as smart as every human being that's on Earth combined. See if that's right.

Right. That's correct. What does that mean, artificial general intelligence? The thing is, this is like whatever it is, it's baby steps. So whatever that is, this insane leap from us to that is baby steps in comparison to what it's going to be. Right. It's not going to stop there. Right. And if you have sentient artificial intelligence and unlimited computing power connected to nuclear power plants like they're going to do-

And then it develops a better version of itself and better versions of power and better versions of its programming and all the other things that go along with it and its capabilities. And if chat GPT is trying to lie and copy itself.

What is that thing gonna do? - And they also don't know how it works, right? Like I watched that 60 Minutes interview with that sort of godfather of AI or whatever they consider him, like the guy who first created the biggest component of it and he says we don't, the layers thing and then he was like-- - They don't know how it works. - They don't know how it learned. They don't know how it works. - Yeah, they don't, no. - That blows my mind. - It should. - Yeah. - It should and that's why the aliens are hovering.

So is Elon concerned? Is Elon like really concerned about AI? I don't know. He keeps it under his hat. Yeah. He doesn't, I think he's got contracts with NASA, you know, and he's the defense department and he's running SpaceX. I don't think you can talk wild about aliens when you've got that kind of, it's like a lot on the line. Right. That's what we were saying in the gym the other day. Because he doesn't believe in them. I saw him on your show and like, I'm not sure. He said, if they're real, they're very subtle. Yeah.

I don't know. Yeah, because people were like, oh, how come he's not commenting on the drones? He comments on everything. It's true. And so what does that tell you? That tells me something's going on. Yeah. Because I would be commenting on it. If I had nothing to do with it and I was a super genius who comments on everything, I would for sure comment on all these fucking drones. Well, there's a lot of them. My wife saw one. She videoed it. It was a drone. There's a lot of them.

But it could have been a man made, it could have been like somebody thrown in there. Could have been a kid because a lot of people are probably putting them up in the sky too. 100%. They're all flying around Austin, I see them. And they're normal drones. I've seen them. I've seen them the other night. Yeah. Yeah. Boys, let's wrap this up. History Hyenas is back.

We're very happy. Thank you. And we're demonetized on YouTube, so we're trying to get remonetized. What happened? What'd you say? Dude, who knows? It's again, I don't know. Why does this happen to me? I remember the last time... Yeah, and the last time...

They did it to my channel and then you spoke about it and then they remonetized. They had suspended me last time. We don't know because we weren't even active. The problem is if you get a bunch of haters who flag your videos and complain about them, I think sometimes that can do it. Yeah, it says harmful content. We didn't even put on an episode. It just...

cocksuckers who like just mass report you or they don't like you. I mean, there's a lot of ways to weaponize that whole reporting system. We're trying, but that's why. And then, you know, you got to realize like YouTube is managing some fucking insane number of videos that are getting uploaded every minute.

Right. And they probably have to have all these systems in place to handle this stuff. And I bet you can game that system. And then there's also a bunch of people that work for them that are woke dipshits. Right. And I think they can flag things and they get out of line sometimes. We tried. We tried to get it reinstated. They said we have to, you know,

February is our next chance. YouTube, please. Come on. Please bring it. It's just a history podcast for two funny guys. Let it go. But that's why, in effort, we are playing by the rules with YouTube and we have really clean, cute content on YouTube. But if you want to get fucking wild with us, go to patreon.com slash history hyenas. That's where we're going off. At Patreon. It's a great sales pitch. It's true. We are going off. Gentlemen, I appreciate you very much. You guys are awesome. I'm so happy you're together again. Beautiful. Thanks, man. Thanks, Joe. Bye, everybody. Bye.

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