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Hello, what's happening, Dave? How much? Good to see you again, man. Good to see you too, Joe. Thanks for the invite. Oh, my pleasure. Thanks for coming on here, man. I really enjoy your videos. Your website, your channel, rather, on YouTube, DeDunking, it's really great because it's so obvious. It's one of those things where you don't need some big, crazy set or high production values to make something interesting. It's just you with a bookshelf behind you.

talking about stuff and it's great. Well, thanks. I appreciate that, Joey. I'm,

Very passionate about this stuff, so I'm glad that people are taking notice and that I'm sitting here talking to you right now about it. It's crazy to me. Well, you were one of the—you, like me, were one of the early readers of Fingerprints of the Gods. And that's sort of how you got into this whole subject, right? Yes. I actually had that one preordered from Hastings because I'd read The Sign and the Seal. Oh, okay. So I was already like, Graham Hancock's pretty cool. I like the way he's coming at these things and—

I saw that there was a thing at Hastings to pre-order Fingerprints of the Gods for like 25 bucks or something. You get like $3 off. And so I did and was reading it cover to cover when I had Graham sign it. And him and Santa both were just looking at how beat the hell it is, right? Because he'd been in a construction truck where we're going job sites for like 20 years. That's awesome. So the sign of the seal, was that about Ethiopia and the Ark of the Covenant? Yeah. What's your take on all that? It's a good question.

It's interesting. Anytime they won't let you see the evidence, I get like all of my alarm bells go off, right? Right. But I understand why they wouldn't want you to see it if it really is the Ark. I'd like to see – I guess the best thing we could do to test it without seeing the Ark would be to look into the claims that these guys go blind and they show signs of radiation. Yeah, let's explain to everybody what the claim –

They believe that this one church in Ethiopia actually possesses the Ark of the Covenant and that these priests that are supposedly guarding this, they all exhibit signs of radiation poisoning.

Yes, they all just exhibit signs of radiation poisoning. They go blind, they die quickly, and then somebody else, one priest at a time, is allowed to be the caretaker of the ark. How long do they live? They want to say a couple years, something like that. I can't remember. It's not very long, yeah. They die pretty quick. Imagine that job. Yeah. You get that call? Yeah. How much do I love Jesus? Yeah.

I'm going to get radiation poisoning? Good Lord. This is kind of fucking crazy. Yeah, and it's – but there's a lot of evidence in that book that was really interesting, like the Knights Templar statues and stuff and old Paris cathedrals that would lead Graham to Ethiopia, just all kinds of weird stuff that made it really interesting, little –

Indiana Jones, man. It's like real life kind of Indiana Jones shit. And so I was just anxious for that fingerprints. Well, something that has that much radiation that kills people so quickly, wouldn't that be something that you could measure from outside of the church? You would think that our boys would be all over that shit with the satellites. It'd be like, yeah, that's a spot to watch out for. Send a team. Right, right. Because that was one of the speculations about the New Jersey drones.

which was really weird, was that there was allegedly, this is part of the speculation, allegedly there was a warhead that was missing from when, what was it, from Ukraine? I think it was from like quite a while ago. So there was a warhead that was not accounted for, a nuclear warhead. And the thought was that somehow or another it had gotten snuck into the United States.

And these drones had the capability to scan for gamma radiation and that they were looking for excess gamma radiation, which would indicate that this thing was there. That would make sense. I saw that on Twitter. I saw a few guys talking about it. That would definitely make sense. It's weird that the drones just kind of stopped around Christmastime. Well, not only did they stop, but there was also this –

I hesitate to even talk about this because so much of this is horseshit. But there was a lot of speculation on Twitter that there was something that broke up in the atmosphere. And the conspiracy was that this was a Chinese satellite that was controlling those drones. And then the Trump administration recently said, no, there are drones. I mean...

Okay, why wouldn't you fucking tell us if they were our drones? You're just flying a bunch of SUV-sized drones over New Jersey for weeks at a time. Yeah, it had to be some reason. Yeah, what was going on? And, you know, I get you can't tell us everything. I get it. It was weird. They just stopped at the Christmastime. I was—

Kind of worried about that because I went to see Mark Agnon in Brooklyn. I just was there last week, and I was like, man, I hope I don't see a bunch of dang drones in the sky and stuff still because I've had that booked out for a couple of months. Yeah, my friend Mark saw one, Mark Norman. He saw one. He said it was huge. Really? He said it was really big and it moved really fast. And he said it had propellers, but it didn't sound like a regular helicopter. So it was real weird. I saw a lot of videos of them, and I saw a few guys talking about them that seemed somewhat credible. Wow.

on Twitter, but I didn't see that, like guys that had talked about being weapons developers and stuff like that. But,

It's so easy nowadays to just bullshit your way through things, and there's money in it, right? I mean, you get clicks. So it's like there's – the days of it needing to be a government conspiracy in my mind are, like, way long gone. If I pretend I see Bigfoot and I fake it good enough to get a bunch of – to get on Joe Rogan, well, man, I'm doing pretty fucking good now, ain't I? Yeah, you can make some money. Exactly. That is a real problem. I'm really skeptical of, like, everybody nowadays. Yeah.

Treat them all like crackheads. I am too. And I like that about your channel, that you are quite skeptical about a lot of things, even things that the people that are heretics of the archaeological world, they subscribe to. And you're like, eh, not so fast, which I think is great. Well, thanks. I think it's very important. But getting back to the Ethiopia thing, why?

If we have this capability, supposedly, to scan for gamma radiation from the sky, why wouldn't someone fly over that church and go, yo, there's a crazy hotspot here? You would think probably somebody has. If not...

Like I was saying with the satellites, in all honesty, the feds monitor that kind of shit, like heavily. So, I mean, if it's possible that it wouldn't be, you know, any kind of weapons-grade-y stuff, so they might just not be looking for that particularly. Can they monitor for gamma radiation from satellites? Can they do that? I'm not sure. I know that they can look for – I know they can look for – I'm not sure how they detect it. I'm not sure what they use to detect it. But I know that they can look for radioactive material from space. Okay.

So the thought is that if this Ark of the Covenant is there and whatever it is, is somehow radioactive. Is there any sort of theory as to how they develop some sort of

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The theory that a lot of people have is that it's a weapon, that like in the Bible it's described like shooting lightning and things like that. Right. And what Graham mentions in the book, it's an interesting point, is the Bible records Moses going up to Mount Sinai, coming down with the Ten Commandments, getting mad at the Israelites worshiping a golden calf, and he breaks the Ten Commandments and then goes back up the mountain and comes back down after another week or so with the Ten Commandments again. Right.

And Graham points out that this could be a memory of him going up and getting the wrong stone and then, damn it, smashes it and goes back and finds the right stone that he's looking for that it had the proper, you know, uranium rich or whatever speculative radiation stuff.

But inside of the box, a popular theory is you've got metal, wood, metal, like a transformer. And so the popular theory is it's a way to generate electricity. And it would also describe the way that guys in the Bible, if they touch it, they have to carry it with sticks. And if they touch it, even to steady it, they get killed and stuff. But honestly, I don't see it being a transformer. That wood, metal, or metal, wood, metal thing has to be stacked. You're not just getting it with one layer like the Bible describes. But...

It's an interesting thing. When you say it has to be stacked, you mean spaced in between each layer? Yeah, like if you've ever seen a doorbell transformer? No. Okay, transformers at the bottom of it will have multiple plates. It'll be like a plate of metal and then a plate of silicone or something like that that's conductive, non-conductive, conductive, non-conductive. And there'll be multiples of those. And this is part of the electromagnetic transformation.

changing of the... Because what a transformer does is it steps electricity up or down and swaps voltage for amperage, basically. So the metal plates are part of it. The idea is that this thing would collect electricity inside the box and then the Israelites would use it to throw lightning at the enemies. Now there's still a lot of speculation as to how the box would work, but

Moses was also said to, after going up and seeing God, he was said to have had to cover his face with a cloth for the rest of his life because it was shown. And Graham speculated in that book that it might be because of radiation sickness or something. His face was covered in sores for the rest of his life. So it is interesting. So if this thing...

is radioactive? Like how would that conduct electricity? No idea. It would probably be if it was it, it, maybe it's the power source. Like we have radioactive batteries on satellites and shit. Right. And they convert that radiation into electricity. So it's possible. I mean, that's, I'm, you know, I'm not really too like big on the ancient high technology, but I'm always willing to speculate and to look at the angles on it. And that's,

That's basically where they come from, the guys that are really big into the arc. Some guys even will claim that it's a capacitor, like a full-on capacitor, which a capacitor stores and discharges electricity. It's why we were told not to...

Right. We're old. We remember tubes on TVs. Wow.

Yeah, that's what a capacitor is. So some guys believe, like Billy Carson would say that the Ark of the Covenant would fit inside of the sarcophagus of the King's Chamber, which it doesn't, and that it's a capacitor to power the pyramid.

So it doesn't, how do you know that it doesn't? Well, the Bible has the specifications for the size of the Ark of the Covenant, and they're not the same as the circle. How different are they? Considerably. Is it larger or smaller? The Ark is larger. Oh, it's larger than the inside of the sarcophagus. Have you ever seen the one that Donald Trump has at Mar-a-Lago? No. He has a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago. No shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It doesn't look bigger than the sarcophagus. Maybe I need to look at it again. There's a possibility that I'm wrong there, but I know that the measurements are off by enough that it was like this isn't just a little mix and match. It's way off. I feel like we should have a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant here. You probably should. I probably should. There's no reason. Jamie, can you pull up that one? Was it visiting the Mar-a-Lago? I think so. I was trying to find a...

But it's pretty dope, man. It's like Indiana Jones type dope. Nice. It's really cool. It looks awesome. But if that's real and these guys are just guarding it and dying of radiation poison, like, hey, get some fucking better leadership and let the world know. I mean, if you really want people to believe in God and the Bible, what better way than to say not only is the Ark of the Covenant real, but we have it here at this church in Ethiopia and we've been suffering for the past X hundred years to

I mean, how many priests have died? I don't know. I have no idea. A lot. It would be a lot. That would be a good thing to know. Well, this would be – I mean, this was supposed – the Ark was supposed to have been brought there by Sheba – the queen of Sheba's son, Menelik. So you're talking thousands of years, right? So Ethiopia has a lot of – here it goes. That's it. Oh, damn. That's a transplace.

That's the one that was at Trump's wedding. It's definitely a replica. Oh, that's not the one? No, no, it is. It is the one? Well, who knows, right? No one's seen it. Right. That's what I meant. I mean, the one that's at Mar-a-Lago, there's photos of it at Mar-a-Lago. This is the one that was at Mar-a-Lago.

See, that looks like that would fit inside the sarcophagus, doesn't it? Scroll up a little. Yeah, maybe I was wrong about that. Except for the handles. I do know that the measurements are off drastically. It's not just an inch or two. It's enough that you're not sliding one in the other. Can you show a photo of it at Mar-a-Lago? I know we pulled it up at one point in time. Because when these folks are standing around next to it,

Yeah, the far left. Yeah, see? Yeah. See, that looks like it would fit in there. It does look like it would. But, yeah, if you look up the measurements, I wish – I don't have them off the top of my head. I was doing that, but it's abstract. But, yeah, they are – Look at that. The King's Chamber – yeah, the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber and the Ark of the Covenant are –

I mean, I feel like we should send the Green Berets into that church. Oh, yeah. Come on, guys. Tell us what the fuck you got. Enough. Enough of this. Enough hiding. This is like, if you have that, that's something for the whole human race to know. That's not something for you to hide. That's not yours to covet. That's wrong. No, but if they've been hiding it forever and it's a religious thing,

icon and they're like the keepers of it or whatever. Look how big the sarcophagus is in the King's Chamber. That's crazy.

The king's chamber itself is so bananas. The whole thing, like why? What did you do? Why did you do it this way? How did you have the resources? How did you get those stones that are that big up so high? Oh, man, there's so much. There's so much about the pyramids in general that are just so hard to even – like I mentioned a little bit last time we talked, the squaring of it is so –

It's like 756 feet long, and there's like two to three inch variation at the most. So you're talking like thousandths of a percent on this massive thing. And if you just stretch a rope from one end of this table to the other and hold it tight, it's going to sag a little. You're 756 feet. You're not getting a two-inch accurate measurement at that. With a rope. With a rope. You have to use something different. Yeah. So what are you using? Yeah.

Exactly. What are you using? How are you using it? How do you get 2,300,000 stones all placed within 20 years? The 20-year thing is nuts. Just throw that one out because that's the cynical side of things. That's where they are...

We have to stick to what we know, what we believe. It's like just a couple of pharaohs before, that guy built three pyramids. So you can't just say, well, these guys were only building them each generation for tombs. It seems to me like it's a multigenerational project. If these guys were the ones that built them, like the historians say, it seems to me like –

Every generation was working on three. I break ground on my grandsons. I'm getting my sons going and I'm finishing mine. Every generation was probably doing that because these things probably took 100 years to build, man. They're huge. The only explanation outside of that, it was some lost technology. Yes.

That's the only explanation. The problem with the lost technology thing is where's the tools? Like what would you use? There is some evidence that there's some sophisticated cutting methods, the coring, the drills that indicate like a very high speed drill, which is interesting. So it's not just as simple as, you know, getting some tube and slowly working its way through.

The way it's cut into some of the granite indicates that it was done at a high speed. So the question is like how, what, what was the material? Where is it? What happened to it? And the argument, of course, would be this is the kind of stuff that would get looted right away, right? If you watch Mad Max, they're not running around picking up bottle caps. They're picking up the stuff you can use. Right.

On the flip side of that, the evidence – if you look at any one of your videos or mine that are about the pyramids, you're going to have thousands of comments of people that are like, here's my theory on the pyramids. And most of these are pretty mundane. Most of these are, I think they might have used water to –

We kind of need to exhaust – in my mind, we kind of need to exhaust all that mundane shit that people can throw at this problem before we really can start saying, OK, now let's just step outside of history and speculate harder. I'm willing to entertain the things, but if you really want to find out what happened in my mind, you kind of have to be more grounded with it.

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Well, I think if we're looking at a linear timeline between the technology that was available to people, say, 15,000 years ago and today, then, yeah, then you have to look at it in a more mundane way. Because obviously they didn't have electricity then. You're thinking obviously they didn't have diamond tip cutting tools that were made out of like some super titanium or whatever the fuck the alloy was. But if we're looking at...

Lost technology and if we're looking at the possibility of you know when you get into Graham Hancock stuff specifically the younger drives impact theory which I'm always fascinated by both the people that fully support it and the people that fully dismiss it Both of those things are interesting to me because you don't know just stop. They just stop. Thank you. That's so accurate right shut your hole We're all just guessing. Yeah, we're guessing but we're all looking at some really interesting stuff, right? I

We're looking at the iridium. We're looking at the micro diamonds, the nano diamonds. We're looking at the black mat. Yeah. Do you know about my friend John Reeves up in Alaska, the bone yard in Alaska? No, I don't. John Reeves, he actually found this. This was actually sawed. That's an ancient mammoth bone.

The piece that was cut out was how it was carbon dated, and I forget what the carbon date it was. It wasn't that extraordinary. Hundreds of years, I think, right? It was only hundreds of years, right? Or maybe a couple thousand. I forget what it was. But the fact that it was sawed at the top is very interesting because they were trying to— some of the bones they've dated to tens of thousands of years, including animals that they've found bones of that weren't even supposed to be in this area.

So he has a very small piece of land. He has an enormous piece of land, but a small piece of it, I think it's only about six acres, where they're finding an enormous number of woolly mammoth bones. Short-faced bear, all these different lions and all these different animals that some of them, they didn't even think were in Alaska.

10, 15,000 years ago. And there's also a thick layer of dark carbon that indicates that like something happened, like there was some sort of massive burn. And the theory is that there was an enormous flood and that this was a basin where a lot of these animals that died got washed into and then covered.

So they have this wall that is essentially permafrost, and they hose it down. They do it all the time, and then they see a mammoth tusk, and then they slowly work their way out. But he has – go to his Instagram page. John was – every year he's our last guest, but this year he got pneumonia. Oh, that's too bad. So we had a –

delay him until recently, but this is all stuff that they find. He's a gold miner. So this is all stuff that they find on his property. Well, it started out incidentally, and now they search for it. But

That's John right there in the middle with the baseball hat on. The big guy right there. He's a giant human. I see. So, I mean, you got to see him in real life. He's huge. But this area that he has is extraordinary because he's got enormous – see, that's how they hose it all down. So he set up this multimillion-dollar research facility out there. He's got huge warehouses, stores, and thousands and thousands of these bones. Wow.

Wow. And it's just in a six-acre area. And then there's another additional area that's a similar size. So there you can see one of the bones, one of the tusks sticking out. But he gave us that step bison skull that's in the lobby. I don't know if you saw that. That's 10,000 years old. Wow. Damn. Yeah. And so he's got a bunch of them. He pulls them out left and right. See if you can find some of the bins that he has. He's got these enormous...

Like, look, look at all those mammoth tusks. Holy shit. Just stacks of them. Yeah. A ton of them.

And they're all over the place. I mean, his property is really, really extraordinary. Wow. But it's all his. Yeah. So he's like, hey, fuck off. I'm just going to dig this stuff up myself. I don't want anybody coming in lying and bullshitting and controlling the area. It's all on private land. So I'm just going to keep pulling the stuff out of there and hiring people to come in and do some research on it. Look at all these bones I found.

Isn't that insane? That's wild. So that's the theory. The theory is that this was an area where a lot of these animals that died probably instantaneously by the impact got washed into. Okay. I can see that. I mean, he has a lot of fucking bones here, man. You're only getting a tiny fraction of it. If you actually see it, Jamie, see if you can find one of the images of his warehouses. There's some overhead views of the warehouses. They're huge, man.

And they're just filled with bones. And he pulls them out every day. Like, whenever they want, they go down and they hose down the permafrost. And because it's in the permafrost, it's all preserved. Yeah. Wow. That's what I was just thinking is permafrost is preserved real well. Yeah. Yeah. So these are just. Slow angle. Yeah. But these are all storage bins. Yeah. That they have filled with bones. Oh, man. I mean, it's pretty extraordinary. Yeah.

That is wild. Yeah, that's sad that he doesn't want to bring the scientists in, but I can understand why. It's, you know, the way that things are nowadays, it's... He doesn't trust them. Exactly. A lot of people don't. And he wanted to come on here to, like, spread it out to the world. One of the things that he found out was that they dumped the previous owners of his property before he owned it. What museum was it again, Jamie? American Academy.

American National History Museum in New York City had acquired some of the bones and they had so much of them that they dumped some of them in the East River. Now, they denied it. So he sent divers out to the exact spot in the East River and they started pulling up step bison bones and all these different like ancient, ancient animal bones from this exact area where they said to look for it.

So it's pretty much been confirmed that it's true and he does know that they have some of them still and they won't release them to him. So until they release the bones to him that are rightfully his, he's like, fuck off. You can't come here. I can understand that. But his spot, in my opinion, is one of the best indicators that there was a mass casualty event. There was some sort of a huge catastrophe that took place that killed all of these animals. Now, we know that humans were around back then. The question was,

How sophisticated were they? And this is where it all gets so weird, you know, because I've been following this forever and ever and ever. And I was following it long before they discovered Gobekli Tepe. And so the question was that the archaeologists would always, the really arrogant archaeologists, would always throw in the faces of these heretics questions.

They would say, well, if this is true, where's the evidence of this ancient civilization that was so sophisticated they could make massive stone structures 10,000 years ago? There is no evidence. Well, now there is. So now they have to kind of look at it and go, well, OK, we're wrong about that. But we're still, we know 2,500 BC maximum, that's how old the pyramids are. They don't, they don't, it doesn't.

A lot of the scientists, most of the scientists are actually scientists, but the ones that we end up seeing are the ones that are invested in creating a narrative. They're the ones that they want to make sure that pseudo-archaeology and pseudo-science is always on its back foot and never gets a fair day in court and blah, blah, blah.

These guys, they don't give us any real accurate interpretation of the data. They'll step way outside of their lane to tell you what's going on. Oh, you mean like Flint Dibble? I mean exactly like Flint Dibble. Well, you were the guy that broke down what he was inaccurate about when he was having that air quotes debate with Graham Hancock.

It's all very unfortunate because what he does know is really interesting. All that stuff about ancient seeds and stuff and how they change over the time and how you can tell whether a seed is domesticated versus whether it's feral. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's good at what he does, at least as far as that stuff goes. But like –

Like there was another – there's a guy that's a trained anthropologist that made a couple of videos about him, Sam Urban from Illegitimate Scholar. And he – I think Graham mentioned him here before. He's a – he specialized in –

shipwrecks and he just blasted the stuff that Flint said not just the three million shipwreck he just blasted on a scientific level this is wrong this is wrong this is wrong this is wrong yeah he got way out of his lane with that yeah and that's you know I that's I guess one of the biggest things here all those guys right now are laughing going you're an electrician Dan you're outside your lane every time you talk about this shit but the difference isn't you're outside your lane I'm outside my lane if I'm not talking about people getting beat up or cracking jokes yeah

Well, only you would have a painting of you busting Shane Gillis' ass. I didn't make that. Every time he posts that picture, he's like, I had a great time on GRE. I'm like, man, I've seen that. That's a beautiful work of art, right? It's very pretty. Very pretty. Good painting.

Yeah. So we're all out of our lanes with something. Every person who's an expert is out of their lanes with a lot of things. But there's a difference. And this is like what you alluded to it a minute ago, where it's like there's a difference between saying we know for a fact and we're not sure. And, you know, a common atheist argument, if you talk like Richard Dawkins, he'll say the minute that a scientist says God did it, they're not worth a fuck to me in the lab because they're not working anymore. They're like, I've got the answer. That's stupid.

The same thing as the science is settled. If you say the science is done, we know for a fact. You can't say that. You're no longer worth a fuck to me in the lab. Science is not settled when you don't have all the information in the universe. Exactly. Since we never will. Yeah. Well, maybe we will.

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Maybe we won't, but maybe our future people will. Future selves, yes. Yeah, I mean, what we're looking at is a mystery. And Egypt, to me, is one of the most phenomenal of all the mysteries. One of the most fascinating, because...

Whatever happened, however long ago, those people in Africa did something that no one's been able to do since. Yeah. And they did it in a way that defies our understanding not just of what they could do back then but of what people could ever do, including right now. Yeah.

And there's a lot to be said, like, that you can't see about ancient Egypt that's amazing. Like, you know, the Bronze Age collapse. You've heard of that, right? And the Sea Peoples. Egypt was like the big power that survived. Like all these other big powers, they were destroyed. They were crushed. They lost everything. Now, Egypt got smaller, but it survived. It wasn't until the Greeks came along that it was, I mean, they'd been conquered off and on, but it wasn't until the Greeks came along that they were truly subjugated. And that's thousands and thousands and thousands of years. And by the time the Greeks showed up,

That shit was so old that you look on the Osirian, they say that there's graffiti that's like the sacred geometry shit that was Hermeticism that was popular in Greece. So they're seeing Hermeticist stuff with the sacred geometry on it. And that's like, you know, thousands of years later, there's...

their minds are blown the same as ours are today. Wow. And that's really fucked when you think about Alexander the Great going there and tripping balls on the same shit we do. That's crazy, man. One of my favorite quotes is that Cleopatra was born closer to the age of the iPhone than she was to the construction of the pyramids. Yes. When you think about it that way, you're like, wait, what? What?

For real? That's just the conventional dating of the age of the pyramid, which is much discussed and debated. Very much. And probably should be. It really probably should be. I know people want to point to carbon dating, but

The problem with that is that we know that people resurface things and they do touch-ups. In fact, they're doing touch-ups right now, ill-advised in my opinion, on the base of the Sphinx where they've covered the feet. I think that's horrible. It's terrible. I should have airdropped this to Jamie. I'll send it to him in a second. There's an image that I've got of –

that was just sent to me that's pretty amazing. There's a wall of one of the magazines in one of the pyramids that has a bunch of those vases in it, and this wall is, like, it collapsed, and the magazine is the name for a room. Anyway, they reconstructed this room. They reconstructed the wall, and it's got a...

a piece of one of those vases in the fucking wall. Like, right in the rubble that makes up the wall. And I could not, I just, shit, I don't even have it saved. I'm sorry. Let me grab it real quick. Sorry. I should have done this before. You're one of those dudes who use that tiny little phone. Look at that little thing. I know.

Is that the iPhone mini? Is that what that is? Or is that the SE or something like that? Oh, yeah, the SE, I think. Something like that. How long is the battery life on that? 20 minutes? 14. 20 minutes is about 30 extra. My son actually, he wanted an iPhone so bad. I got him an iPhone, had it for two years, and he's like, can I please have an Android? I'm so tired of having to charge my phone twice a day at school. Well, the new iPhones last forever.

The new iPhones. Well, I think the Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra and the X24 Ultra have the longest battery life in comparison to the iPhone. Like, you know, they do those tests where they play, like, the Avengers, and they'll play it, like, nonstop on a loop to see which battery dies out quicker. Oh, yeah. The Androids last longer. Well, that makes sense. But not by much. Like, you have to be a total psycho to go, I have an Android. I have a...

a galaxy s24 ultra and i have an iphone i've never had one of them run out of batteries if you charge it in the morning you have to be a total psycho to have it have no battery life at the end of the day you should go to a doctor you have a real real phone addiction the only time i ever had uh that problem recently was when i went to the met uh i went to the met museum in new york and that was i burnt i'd never i was blown away by the artifacts and stuff and ended up like uh

basically burning my phone into the ground. Just taking pictures? Yeah, you got a dead battery, son. Yeah. It's kind of amazing that batteries work at all, which one of the things I wanted to bring up to you was the Baghdad battery. Yeah. Do you think that's real? Was that what that was, or is there some debate? Let's tell people what it is, the Baghdad battery. It's a clay pot. There's a number of them. They're clay vessels. They have a...

copper and lead inside of them and the way that the cap is and stuff you could potentially fill them with orange juice or something like that a minor acid and get an electric charge from it now wouldn't be much of one but you could do it and that's something that's worth noting right there is that you can this has been archaeologists have determined that well yeah i mean we don't like to admit it but yes these potentially could have been batteries so

There was a guy that did a debunking on it that's a popular YouTuber, and another archaeologist came around and kind of slapped him around a little bit, and he had to admit it. He's like, okay, yeah, I didn't do my research good. So this is the Baghdad Battery? Yes. What is the conventional explanation for what these things are? The conventional explanation is that they're pots. They really don't have a good, solid debunking of it.

Like, despite what it says there on the screen. But because of what, I mean, this is not speculative, right? Because of what the actual materials are, if you filled it with a minor acid, it would conduct electricity. So it does work. Yeah, it wouldn't make a lot, but it would make a little. Like how much is a little? Like enough to power a toothbrush? I don't think that much, but I know that...

The reports anyway was that a guy was able to make a very minor electroplating with it and that would be the kind of thing that would be most likely applications because other stuff requires serious... Right. So like plating things with gold and stuff like that. Interesting. Yeah.

So the real, the craziest theory of all, for sure, is the Christopher Dunn. The Christopher Dunn theory about the actual pyramid itself, he believes it's a massive power plant. And he believed that they were using some sort of chemicals and a certain frequency, like vibration, to generate hydrogen with all the chambers and all...

And, you know, the way he describes it, it sounds very compelling because there's I don't know what he's talking about. He might he might be making it all up. Right. So the way he's saying it sounds so interesting. I've never heard anybody try to break down whether or not what he's saying makes sense, though. Well, I like Chris. I get along with him. Well, I talk to him on the phone probably a couple of times a month. He's we and he knows that I disagree with him.

The thing that right off the bat, as an electrician, the first thing that stands out to me is the claim of getting piezoelectricity from the blocks. Which piezoelectricity is the electricity you get from like a quartz crystal when you stress it. So like your watch or a charcoal igniter for a grill, right? The igniter is just a piece of quartz that they pop it with a little spring and a stick when you pop it. And it's got a piece of metal on each side and wires and that harnesses the charge.

That's the first thing, is each one of the quartz crystals in those big limestone blocks would have to have a piece of metal around it and wires coming off of it or some way of harnessing the electricity. There's tons of natural electricity happens all the time, right? But you have to harness it in order to do something with it. Is this just our understanding of how to use electricity? And could there potentially be something that we missed? Well, there's definitely stuff we don't know about electricity. I mean, we'll start there. There's

clearly things we don't know about. We still have guys working on the shit all the time and they're making better and better semiconductors and whatnot all the time. But having said that, maybe, but at that point, we're kind of like,

My thinking on that is if we're going to say this is a technological thing and here's the way we get there and then it's like, well, but we can't really do this. Well, couldn't it be something else? Well, at that point, why say that this is – why build a technological story from what we have? Why not just make shit up? Also, it's like what came first, the chicken or the egg? Because if you have the technology to turn that thing into a gigantic electrical generator, where did you get the technology to build it?

Yeah.

No, no. Even if you just – it's a tomb. It's a tomb alone. Even those guys have to admit that it's not simple, right? But when you look at it from a potentially technological angle, I mean there's –

Chris, I put a lot of work into his theory. It's not – it is intricate and he's a very intelligent person. He is really – he's so smart that when I talk to him, I feel like I'm talking to a guy a bit smarter than me, right? Yeah. He's intelligent. But –

I don't agree with him on some of these things. And that's really, I think that's one of the reasons he likes me is because I'll be chill about it and just be like, yeah, you're a fucking charlatan. Yeah, that's a really important point. And that's one of the things that I really do enjoy about your videos. When you disagree about something, you're very cordial about it. And I think that's important because, you know, I've talked about this many times, but it's a real flaw with human beings. We attach ourselves to ideas and we defend those ideas as if we're defending our worth as people. Right.

And it's stupid. And if you're wrong about something, it's just information. It should just be an idea. It shows far more about your flaws if you're willing to defend ideas that are clearly inaccurate. I couldn't agree with you more there. Thanks for the compliment, by the way. But yeah, I couldn't agree with you more there. It's a complete mess. And especially when it's science. That's where...

It's where archaeology really can piss me off because these guys – there's a lot of it that's just made-up stuff, right? It's one thing to say –

We know for a fact this was carbon dated to X and blah. It's another thing to say this looks like that, therefore it's this. I mean, that's the same. The guys say that about all kinds of shit, right? Oh, here's – these stones look like pillows. Ergo, they must be concrete. Well, it's like – Jamie, could you show that stupid image with the anime face on it? I'm using this one to drive that point home that the pareidolia is not – just because it looks like something does not fucking mean that –

The pareidolia? Yeah, pareidolia is when you see something in the clouds or whatever. Oh, okay. Just because something looks like something doesn't mean that this is a way to suss what a fucking ancient artifact is. Oh, this one is the image of the eyes of Horus. Is that what that is? Yeah. And then...

So there's a lot of weird speculation as to what that means, right? And some people think it means the pineal gland. Yeah, there's a lot of speculation about that, agreed. But my point is, obviously, we can't just assume that, oh, well, because it looks like some anime girl, it's the ancient Egyptians were all. One of the best ones is that the image of someone holding up something that either is a basket or looks like some sort of frequencies are emanating from some device. Yeah, that one's interesting. Yeah, like...

Maybe it's a basket. It doesn't look like a basket, though. It looks like you're trying to indicate something. Yeah, it does look like they're trying to, at the very least, highlight. And there's the other ones with the long phallus-looking tubes that seem to be some sort of energy source or something. Well, a lot of them have that, like,

pyramid shape on their crotch, right? Yeah. Just like this big straight, and it doesn't look phallic, but I mean, it kind of implies it, but it's almost like it's symbolism for something, right? Those long tube ones, see if you could find those. How would you describe that, like if he's going to search for it?

Energy emanating from the... Right. Yes. This is one of the hardest things about this is trying to find... Bam, he found it. Oh, damn. Oh, the Dendera light. That's, yes, derp. Yeah. So, like, what the hell is that? That's, yeah, some people think it's an actual light bulb. That's a bong to the left. Yeah.

Some people think that that's a light bulb. Well, like, what is that supposed to be? What the hell is that supposed to be? It looks like a serpent inside of it. Yeah. The mainstream thing is that it's like a symbol of life and, like, that's the, I forget which plant that is. What's that thing above it, too? One of those little, that, yeah, what the hell is that? Well, it looks like writing of some sort, but I'm not sure what it says.

That's one of my main hopes for AI, that AI will get so sophisticated they can start deciphering these things in a more meaningful way, in a way where you could use these large language models. Like if we get some – you know, like they have the Rosetta Stone. The Rosetta Stone allowed them to decipher a lot of the ancient hieroglyphs. If they could get some sort of much more comprehensive analysis of what they were trying to say with this stuff –

That would be nice. Yeah. If it's even possible. I mean, I'm just guessing. Dendera light. It might be something that they can pull off. AI is a tough one. You'd have to ask Elon. That's more his neck of the woods than mine. So it's a part of the – reference is part of the Egyptian creation myth. Yes. The water lily or the lotus flower was it that came out of the – It's so weird.

It is. Their iconography is weird. That's one of the reasons I was taking so many pictures at the Met. It was just like – so many things are just weird, just fucking weird. You just look at it. You're like, this does not – It's so old. So old and so weird. It's like we don't even know what their language sounded like, which is also amazing. Yeah, it is. It's like I just – of all the places in the world where I could go back in time and observe just –

somehow undetected. You know, if you get a like a

some sort of a sphere of time that could place you in a place where you wouldn't disturb anything, but you could observe. That's what I was like, what was going on? Yeah. Well, how'd they do that? What did it look like? What did their culture look like? What did the people look like when they were going about their daily tasks? You know, we used to think it was slaves that built the pyramid. Now they think, no, they were skilled workers. And they think that based on what their diet was and they were eating good food and these people were wealthy.

taken care of that were involved in working around that area. So who are they? What was it? What was it all about? Yeah, that's one of the things that they when they say that it's not slaves that built it, that kind of makes me chuckle because, yeah, we know that they had, you know, well-fed people that worked there.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that they were the only people that worked there. I mean, if you go down to construction over here, you're going to have a guy that's eaten at Zip or eaten at freaking Burger King or whatever, and you're going to have another guy who's eaten a $300 lunch, and they're going to be working at the same job site. Right. Good point.

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We're never going to stop being fascinated by the people of the past that we don't understand. And I think, again, the best example of that is Egypt. Yeah. And that's where – like we were talking about how the archaeology and the archaeologists and pseudo guys will argue with each other so much about – and they get so bad-blooded about it. It's like – I talked about this a little bit last time, but –

I see it as two distinct halves of the human psyche at work in this regard. You can almost see the distinction in the way that scientists tend to be antisocial. Antisocial might not be the right word, but they're just a little fucking weird, man.

They're the kind of guys that dress weird, they talk weird, they act weird. They just come across fucking weird. You're talking about Flynn Dibble? I'm talking about all scientists in general. But yes, he would be one of them. But he's not the only one. Like John Hoopes is a great example of this too. If you watch him, the way he carries himself, the way he talks, he's just fucking weird. And look at Einstein. Watch that guy. He carried himself fucking weird. Yeah.

My friend Chris Williamson has a very interesting take on that that I think is very accurate. He said if you expect regular people to get extraordinary results, you're being silly. You're going to get weird people that are going to get weird results. That's exactly right. I agree with you. Now, I –

More scientifically literate, I think, than most of the people that I know. And I kind of feel like Shane Gillis jokes about being nicked by the Down syndrome thing. I feel like I was nicked by that antisocial thing. I walk into a bar and if I don't know anybody, my first instinct is just to go sit in the corner and watch. Well, that's part of the problem with being intelligent.

you're worried that you're going to get dragged into a dumbass conversation. It won't be stimulating. It's the opposite of stimulating. Oh, it's terrible. Yeah. Yeah. But if you sit in the corner and watch, well done, you look like the weird old guy creeper in from the fucking corner. So you just go sit at the bar and talk to people. But, um,

I'm aware that, you know, I can be a little off that way. Right. But these guys, they're every now and again, one of them will show up. It's like a Carl Sagan. Now this guy, he, he's just a regular Joe. He could talk to everybody and he happens to be a fucking great scientist. Um,

And he got a lot of shit from his colleagues for that. He got a lot of shit from his colleagues for taking the time to talk to the peasants. Yeah. And the way he did it wasn't abrasive. If somebody asked him about aliens, if they're like, man, what do you think the aliens were up to over on Alpha Centauri?

What kind of technology do you think they have? That's almost his initial response would be like, you're always thinking, how the fuck am I supposed to know? But then he, well, you know, Alpha Centauri is about a billion years older than our star. So if you were to assume that they were around for a billion years longer than us and had the same stuff. And so he would entertain them.

And then he would do things. He would interject a little bit of science. When they would ask a question, he would answer it and make sure that there was a little science in that so that people really didn't give a fuck about learning about the science. They just want to talk about UFOs. Spoonful of sugar and the fucking medicine went down. You're walking out with some science in your head, bitch, like it or not. Yeah, that's being a science educator, right, which is very important. And very rare for them to be good. It's very rare for them to be good.

Yeah. Have you seen the recent images that they got from Mars of that big square? Mm-hmm. What the fuck is that?

It's one of those things where I was talking to Jamie just before the show. It is a bad day to be a professional skeptic. I'm telling you what. If you've been making the last – you're living the last 20 years poo-pooing all the aliens and UFO shit and whatnot, man, oh, man, is it a rough day for you. Because if that same shit was LIDAR from the South American forest, you'd be like, yeah, there's probably a village there. It makes sense. This is even more clear than LIDAR.

Yeah, I know. It's super square. It's above the surface. Jamie pulled a photo of it up. This is super recent, right? Yeah, just a few days ago. Yeah. I found it recently. I think it's been online for a while. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. That's why I was reading.

I was reading. Oh, so there's, is it that there's a mass of data that they scan from the surface and then someone just detected this recently? I think someone just found it on the website. It might be one of those things. It's like, who is going to go by hand over each one of these images? And I mean, you're dealing with the entire surface of a planet that's

What is it, like three-quarters of the size of Earth? I think that might even be a little small. Smaller than that? Or larger than that? I think it's a little larger, but I could be wrong. Well, so something smaller than Earth, but bigger than the moon, and you're going to go over the entire surface of it. That's a lot. Yeah, and I think they think the rough estimates of this square are between 300 meters and multiple kilometers. Perfect.

They don't know how big it is. You know, it's because it's like, it's hard to get a reference. Yeah. So I think the estimate is at the very smallest, it's several hundred meters across. So this thing, this square...

It's really crazy because it's right angle, right angle, right angle, right angle. Yeah. And doesn't look to be very asymmetrical either. This one says they added that square so you can see it better. It's superimposed on that one. Yeah, but this is the original image. Just this alone. You're like, what the fuck is that? Like I said, if you were to tell me that was a LiDAR picture from South America, I'd be like, okay. Yeah. It's just too convenient that it makes a square.

It just seems so weird. It is. And then there's another image that goes along with this that's even more bizarre. Maybe not even more bizarre, but it's like almost looks like a cone, like a cone structure that's emanating from the surface, like surrounded by a circle. Yeah. Have you seen that one? I haven't seen that one, but I've seen people talking about it. See if you can find that one, Jamie. I just had that one.

Yeah, it's real weird stuff. And no one has... The face on Mars was real interesting. I got really into Richard Hoagland and all his Cydonia stuff for a while, but...

but he was making some very bizarre measurements. Like if you go one half of the distance between this and three quarters of the way between that, it's exact number that takes a, like, what do you, but don't do that. How about don't do that? Don't do that. How about don't just fucking arbitrarily look for some sort of, I did that in a video once kind of being a dick, making fun of the idea that there's all this data encoded in the vases. I have no problem with the idea of the vases being like, you know, proof that these guys were, you know,

They're definitely fucking exacting and whatnot. But the idea that they've hidden that in... Is that the Cydonia face? I guess it's right by the square. What? Really? Wow. Supposedly.

Guess right. So what that's saying? I don't know. Yeah. Oh my god It says the giant square structure just a short hike from the legendary face on Mars. Holy shit. That's crazy How do they miss that they were? Concentrated on the face which is like it might be a face might not be to me the original images Yeah, look really wild. But then the images afterwards were like, oh no It's just the weird light hitting it in a certain way and you can find plenty of structures on earth in

that will do a similar thing. I saw this too. What is that? This weird shit they're finding, like sticking out. You find weird shit in nature.

That's not as compelling as the other one. There was something that looked like a cone. So the actual image when they got – what is that dirty stuff you got on it, Jamie? Horrible feed that you – I just typed in Mars photo. Time for a bathroom break. What's wrong with Twitter? It is kind of wild that Twitter has, like, hardcore porn on it. It always has. Yeah. Very weird.

I'm not complaining. Do whatever you want. I'm all for doing whatever you want. But this original tract of images, it's a long one. And if you scroll through it, one of them is some very bizarre looking cone-like structure. That's it. That's it. Oh, okay. Yeah. That is weird. Very weird.

like what's that i mean it could be just a mountain but it looks like a zit it does it's it is and the fact that it's so close to that other thing that's what's screwy yeah the faces in there they're all yeah so it's all this one area that's been studied for a long time as being that there's a bunch of different things there that you could interpret as being some sort of a structure

Well, Jimmy was sharing that video in response to this, Buzz Aldrin, saying that there's like a monolith on the moon. Yeah. I hadn't seen that before. I mean, I...

I've always been a little out of the UFO side of things. I've always watched it, but always, you know, just a little bit. I'm usually looking at pyramids and shit. Wouldn't you like to feed Buzz Aldrin some mushrooms and say, tell me what you know? Dude, yeah. Tell me what you really know. Tell me what you know. Did you really go? I like the clip when he punches that fucking dude. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that guy. You're a liar. Yeah. He needs to work on his punch. Yeah. Had a clean shot and didn't do anything. It was a zero gravity training.

His bones are deteriorated from being in space for so long. That is a wild thing that does happen to them. It takes forever for your body to get back to normal. Yeah, it's crazy. When you're up there for a while. It's crazy to think that, like, that stress is needed. Like, if you don't have those kinds of stresses in your life, like, your body just... Yeah, which fucks up the whole Superman myth. If Superman came over here, his body would deteriorate. Yeah. After a while, he'd be just like us. Poor guy. Right? It wouldn't work. He can't just fly. Right.

But obviously, cartoons. No x-ray vision. Yeah, all those things. The ability to go so fast you could spin time backwards. Remember? Spun the Earth back the opposite direction. Save Lois Lane. Yes.

Water goes up the hill. Yeah. If you could somehow or another make sense out of the possibility that a civilization existed on Mars and was wiped out millions and millions of years ago, that would change the way we think about everything. And I feel like that square is one step closer to like really needing a comprehensive analysis of what's there.

Because before it was just like, oh, it's a lifeless planet, but at one time it had an atmosphere. Interesting. Oh, they found frozen water. Oh, interesting. Well, they actually found liquid water now. Yeah. More interesting. Now they found a big square. Okay. What's that? Yeah. That one to me is the what's that. And this is where, in my mind, this is where that skeptics versus dreamers thing gets really fucked because-

So the answer should be the same for everybody. Let's just next expedition. Let's poke around a little up there, right? Yeah. Let's find out the evidence. But the answer is always from one side, it's definitely this. From the other side, it's definitely not completely, but to the point where we don't get...

to draw a parallel with that Yonaguni, the site, the underwater site that Graham Hancock likes to talk about. The skeptics are certain that it's a geological formation. Most of the other people are not.

We need work done. That's the clear fucking answer is just put some money at it, put some bodies on it. And until then, the answer in my mind is when somebody asks me, what do I think about Yonaguni? I say, well, it's interesting. You know, it's probably been eroded for a long time, so it might be manmade and just looks naturally. It might be natural. We need more evidence before I'm going to hang my hat anywhere.

Right. Which is very reasonable. And in all honesty, it should be the scientific position. It should be the position that the scientists are espousing if they wanted to have credibility in this sphere.

They should be the ones towing that line and then let the pyramid idiots all be certain. And this is how we know it was. Scientists can look, but instead they get in the mud and act just like everybody else. They also stall progress with their arrogance. They stall progress by dismissing any possibility. Like what are those ones? Is it near the Bahamas? Those enormous stones that are on the floor, the surface of the ocean? The Bimini Road? That's right. Yeah.

That one's weird. Yeah. Like, if you don't think that's weird, like, come on. And they're right. I would agree with a geologist that there's a really good chance that it's just beach rock. However...

We can do work. Yeah. This is the stuff it's like other people that, you know, if you say that the rocks are geopolymers and suck say who I'm on or whatever. Right. It's like there's no reason for us to argue about this, man. We just fucking do some work. Right. The Bimini Road was really interesting. There's a lot of really interesting stuff that they find under the water that makes you think, okay.

What is this? And the Yonaguni thing, like if that's the case. See, that to me, that could easily be natural. Yeah. When I'm looking at it right there. That easily could be natural. They're not uniform enough for bells to go off, you know. But that one lower right, that one right below that, Jamie, right below your cursor to the right, that one freaks me out a little. That seems like those are stacked. Yeah, it does. It seems very much like that.

And when you're dealing with – if you want to go really crazy with like the John Anthony West version of it, which is like 30,000 plus years, that's probably what you would have left over. Yeah. That's very accurate there. There's a thought tool that archaeologists use called the Silurian hypothesis. And Silurian is like this Doctor Who bad guy that was –

Went into hibernation. There were lizards. They went into hibernation like before the dinosaurs died out. And then they wake up one day and there's all these monkeys running around on their planet. And so but that's the Doctor Who thing. Right. But the Silurian hypothesis is basically a thought tool for archaeologists and historians to say, well, if there was a advanced civilization on Earth 10 million years ago, what will we need to find in order for it to exist?

And what would we find now, 10 million years later? And the answer is usually like radioactive material. It's like 10 million years, man. You might find a couple of bones, but the odds of finding anything that's going to actually prove that they had technology? Yeah. Not much. That's also the problem with the idea of this very sophisticated construction methods of the pyramids that were using some sort of advanced technology. Like what would – if John Anthony West is correct –

and he's talking about 30 plus thousand years, what would be left after 30,000 years? Well, certainly not much metal. No. Oh, no, that stuff would be looted right away. And even if it wasn't, what would be actually left of it if it was just like sitting on the ground? It would be rotted and melted. To nothing. The video that you sent me yesterday, the one with the stone nubs, the—

They talked about holes. All those, I can't say for all of the sites, but like the Coliseum and stuff, they used metal to bond the bricks together and the concrete together in places. So years later...

When the city's under attack and they need metal to make swords, they looted it. That's recorded. That makes sense. And it happened a lot in the Roman world. I'm glad you brought up the nubs. Yeah. Because the nubs – that was one of the videos that I watched of yours yesterday where – what we're talking about, folks, is –

There's many places like Machu Picchu. What other places have nubs? Oh, all over the place. Even that Montana thing, which is weird. You'll see them on Egyptian sarcophagi. You'll see them on the unfinished casing stones at the bottom of Menkaure's Pyramid.

You'll see them basically almost every megalithic site on the planet has some nubs somewhere. All the ones, if they're finished blocks, you'll usually find nubs somewhere. And do you think that it's possible that those nubs, there's the nubs, those nubs were used to hoist things up and move them into place? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's a technique called a lifting boss that's used to lift big things like that. But there's a couple of issues with that being the only reason that they're used.

For one, a lot of times they're small like that and they wouldn't really do you much good. For two, a lot of times we see them like on the lids of a coffin, for example, which you wouldn't want to leave it there afterwards because you don't want to facilitate the next guy to be able to pop the coffin lid, right? You say that they're small, but if you were trying to place something exactly and you were lifting it up from the bottom...

the only way you would be able to do that is if you had something like a nub sticking on the outside of it. In order to catch a rope or keep it from walking or something like that. Or whatever it is, boards or whatever you're using to lift that and place it into position. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like I said, there's – they are –

Lifting bosses are a thing. It's not unknown. There's a good possibility... I mean, there's not a good possibility. Quite certainly, quite frequently, these were used for that. Interesting also that the bottom stones don't have them. The fact... A lot of people do bring up a good point. I didn't talk about it in my video, but it's an interesting point is that why did they get left? Now, like that one around the windows there, to me, that's pretty clearly...

To the left, Jimmy. Sorry, that one right there. That one's pretty clearly to me, like, that's functional, right? Right. That looks like maybe it had an iron gate attached to it or something. Veranda or some shit. A smoking balcony. But some of them, on the other hand, they look a lot more questionable. Okay, like... Those are odd. Yeah, thank you. They're just fucking weird. And...

And sometimes you see them on things that don't, like the stone was carved in the ground and they left these on. Scroll, sorry, Jamie, to the one a little bit higher with the red tint to it, upper right-hand side. Upper right, right above that. Yeah, click on that. I get that.

So strange. Now, like on stones like these, you don't really need a lifting boss. OK, you've got like that. Look at that stone that's on the right there. That's all the one to the left of that guy there. You could just use that lip on the corner right, right above, right below the cursor. You could use that lip for a lifting boss. You could tie a rope around that thing and put it, push it wherever the fuck you want it.

Right, but if you wanted to get it to sit down without having to pull out whatever's underneath it or whatever underneath it getting crushed, wouldn't you want something to assist you like that little nub? No, yeah. But again, you could just pop it into the corner on the side and do the same thing. Right, but if you were doing that as a method for each individual stone, and some of them you couldn't pop in like that. Okay, I can go with that. You know what I'm saying? Like it would be a technique that you would use to hoist these things into position.

Does anybody have an explanation of what these things are? Yeah, I mean, that's the lifting boss is what the mainstream explanation is. I say that all of them were for that. And there's again, there's it's the ubiquity that really makes it different to me. It's like and popping up on different sides of the ocean. And that's where it just seems kind of weird. It's like a.

For it to show up, looking so similar, used so similar all over the place, left behind when they're done, that's kind of weird too. Right, they didn't polish them down. They didn't polish them down, yeah. The rest of the walls, a lot of times, I mean, the stones are fitted so well together, clearly they knew how to make these stones flat as fuck. Why is this part still got this big tit hanging off of it? It's just, it's weird. Right.

Despite the title of my video saying the true purpose that's just clickbait. Nobody knows There's the best mainstream explanation would be lifting bosses the most common alternate history explanation is usually like it's like a leftover from the concrete being pulled out like the guy in the video was saying or it's like if you have a bag of concrete and it's just like the one little spot that kind of seeps out and

I don't think that they're from geopolymers, but that's... Yeah, I've heard the concrete explanation, too, as far as the stones in the Great Pyramid, but... Yeah, no. We can test, again, we can test these things. That's where some of the guys that claim that everything's geopolymers will pretend that we can't test things, but the reality is we absolutely can test for that kind of shit. I mean, it's not difficult at all, actually.

So the problem is, and this is where it gets, like you said, the archaeologists stand between things. The problem is, is that in certain places in the world, like Peru, for example, and Bolivia, it's fucking hard to get. Look at those alien bodies right now in Peru, right? Yeah. Okay. Oh, we've been looking at them. Oh, I'm sure you have. And the scientists keep saying they're real. But the only fucking scientists I ever see weighing in on them are Peruvian scientists. It's like, okay, let some people from around the world. Oh, no, no, no. Fuck you guys. These are us.

All right, man, that's... But is that like a hyper-exaggerated version of the boneyard? It could be. With deeper implications? It could be, but we've seen a lot of the same kind of stuff with them with... They have a problem in Peru with archaeology and corruption with the money. Like, I don't know if you saw my video on the elongated skulls, but... I didn't. Okay, that video, I just covered basically how...

Those things came in these big bundles. They'd get these grave bags and there'd be a body in there. And so they harvested a couple of things like 600 of these bundles. And every time they just get opened and willy nilly shit get moved around. Rockefeller ends up trading for a few of them and to finance because they didn't have finances to store these things properly.

So Rockefeller got some of those heads? Oh, yeah. And we don't know how many exactly. Reportedly just four. But he gives the money to these people to restore all these mummies. And the first thing that they do is they restore a bunch of textiles that other mummies that they don't have anymore were packed in and shit. All the way up into the 60s, an anthropologist opened like 70 some odd bundles of

Recorded what he found in four of them and put the rest back on the fucking shelf. They've been stealing artifacts and selling them on the open market. It's all about money. So really rich people, like some billionaire guy goes, I want a mummy. What do I got to get? I want a mummy room in my castle. I want one with a head. I want one with a really weird head. Which one's got the best head? Let's open 60. Okay. And that's just the Cusco tunnels. They just...

This one's so fucked. They just announced this January archaeologists have discovered that there are tunnels running under Cusco and Peru. They connect the Temple of the Sun to the fortress of Sacsayhuaman and some other places around there. Oh, this is crazy. It's going to be great, man. We did all this lidar. It's going to be amazing. Amazing discovery.

Brian Forrester uploaded a video like 11 years ago of him going on a tour of those tunnels. You could pay a guy 20 years ago to go on a tour of those tunnels. The Spanish were writing about them in the 1600s and the late 1500s. The only reason that we didn't investigate these tunnels is because in the 30s was when archaeology started becoming a thing and going down there and checking out those skulls and shit.

And at the exact same time, Madame Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce was like, you know, those tunnels that are supposed to be down there, I bet they were built by the Atlanteans. And so ever since then, archaeologists have poo-pooed it. There was a guy in the 2000s that he's an Atlantis hunter. He did ground penetrating radar in early 2000s, found those tunnels. They rejected his work. He had a priest that witnessed those tunnels, has been down in them. He was rejected out of hand.

But that's okay because 25 years later, we found it. I promise they didn't steal or sell anything in the last 100 years. That the world knew that these things existed. Rich people were going down there and throwing money around, and there was zero safeguards. It's just like...

So I circled back to the UFO, the aliens there. It's like, I have a real problem with that shit in Peru because I can't. Yeah. It's just so tainted. It's so corrupt. It's so weird, too. I mean, I love looking at it. I wish it was real. But that, to me, is always the problem whenever it comes to alien stuff. I want it to be real.

So that part of my brain, I have to go, hey, stupid. Just because this is an x-ray doesn't mean this is legit. By the way, I can make you a fake x-ray pretty easy online these days. It wouldn't be hard at all. But these x-rays are so compelling that if they are legitimate x-rays, if someone really did just piece this together with a bunch of random bones...

What a fantastic job they did because it doesn't look awkward at all. It looks real. The thing about them that looks the fakest is just a photograph of the bodies themselves. Everything else looks fucking pretty legit. Right. If the x-rays are real. Yes. And this is part of the problem. But the x-rays that they show that they say are real, God, they look so cool. I mean, you see the three fingered hands. You see the bones look similar to ours but different.

There's enough of it that's similar to a human being's and it is some sort of bipedal, hominid-like creature, whatever it is. And we know, I mean...

Like we know that humans existed with a bunch of other hominids on this planet for a long time. So it wouldn't be like for us to discover a new species of even if they weren't aliens, wouldn't be crazy. If they were like way more advanced than us, but they got wiped out. That's, you know, there's versions of us that aren't as good as us that aren't here anymore.

Right? So we have Homo sapiens, Denisovans they didn't discover until a decade or so ago. Yeah. Right? So then there's a bunch of different versions of human beings that weren't as good as us. And we're the ones that... Maybe ones were better. Yeah. And maybe the ones that were better didn't make it. Yeah. Because we almost didn't make it a ton of times. Yeah. And a lot of... It doesn't...

We're not – you could say, well, why did we – some people would think at that point, why did we make it in the ones that were better? Not if that's the case. But we're not in direct competition with each other to survive necessarily. It's also with Mother Nature and all these other things. And so like you just – wrong place, wrong time. Species gets wiped out. Sorry. Yeah.

What is this, Jamie? I'm reading an article about the mummies right now, and this popped up. Metallic plates have been found throughout other areas of the mummy's bodies, from the interior covering some of the bones to external attachments on the skin, forming a bifunctional implant with no signs of rejection. These polymetallic plates have been analyzed using a light-based measurement, revealing an alloy compound of copper, cadmium, osmium,

Aluminum, gold, and silver, he added. Notably, the silver has a purity of over 95%, which is rare in nature. Additionally, cadmium and osmium, relatively recent discoveries, are currently used in satellite communication and satellite structures.

This is what they're telling us, though. This is a Daily Mail article? Yeah. This is a Daily Mail article. It is a Daily Mail article. I said one was pregnant. I think that's the one. Yo. They still fuck? That's kind of crazy. They don't have dicks. How's it pregnant? Shouldn't they be farming that off to a test tube if they've gotten past intercourse?

Do it like octopi. The really weird ones were the x-rays of the body in that position where you see all the skull and the way the skull is formed and the way the fingers are formed. It's very weird, weird, weird stuff. 3D reconstruction of one hand. Yeah. Wow. Super weird stuff.

Yeah, it is pretty wild. If it's real. But if it's just somebody's art project, you fuckers. I read that the art project was the little small ones. Yeah, the small ones. Supposedly have been debunked. So they have hundreds of them, apparently.

What? Yeah. Okay. What do we have to give you? Trump, get on it. Scrap that. Scrap that. Turns out they're aliens. We no longer want an expedition to Ethiopia. Scrap that one. We want the bodies. Imagine. Well, we need a bunch of expeditions. We need answers, you know?

We need someone who is at a high position of the White House that's interested in this stuff. That would be very nice, in all honesty. Yeah. Find one of them things, bring it to America, and let's do a live stream of scientists actually analyzing it so it doesn't get gatekeeped at all. Yeah. We just get a chance to see, show the whole world what this is. They did that with a couple of the bundles they did.

They tried to with a couple of the bundles in the 50s. There was an anthropologist that opened up two of them on video. And when I was researching for my video, I found that those bundles

Movie reels are lost. Nobody knows where they went. They just disappeared. Big fucking shock. There's a newspaper article that recorded what she found in one of them. That newspaper article is not in their archives. It just stinks. It just stinks. It's like I am not. Well, yeah. I'm not a conspiratorial type of person, but I'm not stupid either, right? Right. Pretty clear fucking conspiracy there. So what was supposedly the synopsis of her article?

She was just talking about what she found inside of one of those mummy bundles with the elongated skulls and the artifacts that would be in it, the grave goods and stuff. The thing about the elongated skulls is that some of them have a larger capacity, which is interesting. So it's not simply... Because we know that there's a technique that they do with young children where they put boards on the side of their heads and they flatten their head. You can actually form someone's head. But that's not necessarily what was being done here. No, there's...

the kind of nuanced argument is that some of them were legitimate aliens or other species or whatever, and then some of them were people trying to emulate that with their own kids. Right, like that it was a status symbol to have that elongated head, and some people tried to fake it and pretend. Maybe it was just a genetic anomaly, right? Like some sort of bizarre... We talked about this, the people that are born, there's a certain tribe in Africa where a bunch of them have only two toes, right?

And they look like ostrich feet. Have you seen that? No, I haven't. That's crazy. Jimmy could find it. It's real weird. So it's some genetic anomaly that a lot of people have there. It's not really, it's not rare. There's a photo of a bunch of them sitting there with their feet up. That's what their toes look like. Yeah.

And so there's quite a few people that have this genetic anomaly with their toes. Wow. Yeah. Very strange. That is. So they have two enormous toes. So their feet are completely different than ours. Wow. Yeah.

And there's quite a few people that have that. Now, you could imagine that a similar genetic anomaly could take place with the shape of the skull. Absolutely. If you could develop people that were a bunch of them where it's a gene that can spread, like you can pass it on, that you could have something where people had a larger head and a weird shaped head. Yeah. And if it offered any sort of advantage at all.

And you might think, well, how could that be? It's obviously a problem. But if it offered any sort of advantage, like the Galapagos Islands, right? The iguanas there that go down and swim in the water and eat moss off the bottom. Y'all got webbed feet. So it...

It stands to reason to me that whatever happened that isolated Galapagos and made it a shitty place to try to find food for an iguana, you got one of these iguanas, it's a little mutant McNugget running around, and he's got webbed toes already. And he's like, fuck, man, nobody wants to hang out with me because I look all weird. But then this happens, and all of a sudden he's the only guy that can consistently get food. It's, you know, that kind of thing.

disadvantage turns advantage overnight kind of thing. Well, those weird adaptations take place quicker than they thought. And a good example of that is the Congo. You know, there's parts of the Congo where there was an amazing BBC documentary about it. It was a multiple disc CD, DVD rather, thing that I had back in the day. And this Congo documentary, one of the things they found was there was a lot of plains animals that got trapped

So the Congo, because of the change of the climate there, at one point in time, it was plains. So it was grasslands. So you have all these antelope and all these different animals that normally exist in these open, wide areas, but they're jammed into a rainforest now, and they've adapted. And one of the animals that adapted is the duiker. So the duiker is a small antelope that can swim underwater for as much as 100 yards and eats fish. Gee.

Jesus. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So this thing that lived out in the plains, like all the other little antelopes, now can fucking swim and dives underwater and can swim a hundred yards underwater. That's insane. And eats fish. That's insane. So this weird adaptation that takes place just in the Congo, which is just an incredibly vital environment that

that so much diversity of life exists in. That's weird. It's weird, but it's crazy how ubiquitous those things can be. Like, you know, Madagascar and the lemurs?

Lemurs basically have all these evolutionary niches in Madagascar filled in. Instead of a woodpecker, there's a lemur with a big-ass fucking finger. And he tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. Really? Yeah. You can look that guy up if you want, Jamie. Whoa. Madagascar's got almost every major evolutionary niche is filled by a lemur.

Really? Yeah, it's a fucking lemur island, man. It's just like the different kind of lemurs on Madagascar all over the place. It's not every single one, but like woodpeckers. There's no fucking woodpeckers there. The insect-eating birds are not birds. They're lemurs. Whoa. The whole island is... That's it. Look at that. Look at those fucking claws. How weird. That looks fake.

The eye-eye. The finger of death. The world's most demonic lemur is also its most endangered. Meet the creature with the ugliest finger on the planet. What does it look like, the full version of it? Whoa! Look at his eyes. What a cool-looking creature. Wow, that's a lemur. Yeah. That looks like something from, like, Lord of the Rings. That does not even look like a real creature. Yeah, evolution's crazy that way. And it's like, whoa, look at that little fucker.

You get a great example of like, like you probably heard them say that like the dinosaurs get wiped out and allowed mammals the opportunity to take over the planet. Like otherwise mammals would have just been a bunch of shrews running around in the grass. And that's that exact kind of thing. It's like that lemur ain't going to outcompete woodpeckers, but he don't have to.

So he gets to take off and do his thing. Because there are no woodpeckers there. Yeah. So something fills that niche. Exactly. So it's that same kind of thing. We get to see it in, you know, you were talking about the, what's the name of that deer thing you were talking about? The duiker. Duiker. It's an antelope. Antelope, yes. To become an underwater meat eater, that's quite a jump.

But there's probably not many alligators down there doing that exact same job. I mean, not many things taking its spot. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been able to find a niche there. There wouldn't have been no food. Right. Yeah. It's really interesting. There's herds of antelope running through dense rainforest, running through puddles in the water and everything. Really crazy because they just sort of got trapped there. Wow. Yeah.

That's so insane. It's like the mountains that they have in South America where they've got basically it's like the same as an island where it's like nothing can go down from a certain elevation. So like there's a bunch of things that live up in the mountains that are basically evolutionary isolated and have been for 10,000, 20,000 years. And so you get a bunch of goofy things.

Species that are only if next mountain over there a little bit different next mountain over there a little bit different same as the finches that Darwin was chasing around in the early days Yeah, pretty interesting stuff. I'll I can nerd out on all that shit for a long time I love it, but just the sheer variety the sheer variety of life forms that we know are real and what's interesting is like things that are cryptic or you know cryptozoology type deals people are so dismissive of them and

But I'm like, by God, there's so much that's real. There's so much that's real. Like one of my favorites is the little hobbit man from the island of Flores because that was dismissed forever. That was just nonsense until a couple decades ago. They're like, oh, hey, okay. We just found something that's like a little tiny person, a little three-foot person that's not us.

But it's bipedal, and it seems to have worked with tools and hunted. It's funny how skeptical they get with this stuff. Well, it's not even skeptical. It's cynical. Because, I mean, clearly...

We know that island dwarfism exists, which is where things get smaller or bigger on islands depending, right? You might have some big-ass swans and some small elephants on an island. Yeah, lizards get bigger, right? Exactly. Smaller things tend to get bigger and bigger things tend to get smaller. So we know that's a thing. Why is it a problem to assume that that would happen with humans or with hominids? Right. We know what happens with elephants. Yeah. Dwarf elephants on these islands. Yeah.

And that's the kind of thing that honestly almost sounds like religious thinking, not scientific thinking to me. It's like we're better and we're immune to all the same forces of nature. It's like a scientist should just be like, okay, man, it could be. Yeah. It's just ego. It's ego. Ego works with everything in the wrong direction, including science. Well, to me, that's kind of –

It's kind of fucked because even though I know that those guys, like I was saying earlier, are socially awkward and probably emotionally stunted quite frequently, can't even suss their own feelings. But at the same time, it's like science –

Is the whole fucking expedition, the whole undertaking, the whole reason you do it is to see clearly. And when trying to get rid of Joe has an opinion, Jamie has an opinion, Dan has an opinion. They're all different. But if we all see the same thing, we can be pretty sure that this is real. But if I see it different than you, than Jamie will now. Yeah. And so when they inject their ego heavily into it, political, political, quite frequently nowadays, it's it's.

It's not fucking science anymore. You are defiling the thing that you set out to do and you know you're doing it. So I get kind of – Let's just call it truth. Like truth is the most valuable thing if you're speaking openly about something. If you're talking about something publicly, truth is the most important thing. As soon as you are willing to violate truth to preserve something else –

Like your status, your ego, your place in the hierarchy of information. Well, now I can't listen to you anymore because I know you're willing to lie. You're a grifter. Yeah. And obviously politics is the best example of that. I mean, especially today. I guess it's probably a good time to talk about this. There was a thing that came out recently. There was a book. There was some book about the Kamala Harris campaign where they talked about her getting on this show.

And they said a bunch of things that weren't true. They talked to supposedly talked to like 150 different people about her and, you know, what happened with her coming on the show. I don't know if it's 150, a lot of people.

They didn't talk to us, which is kind of crazy. They didn't even ask. But they said things that just weren't true. One of the things they said that weren't true was that we lied about the day that Trump was coming on. No, we just didn't tell you that Trump was coming on. He was already booked a long time ago. This is how it worked.

Trump was really easy to book. Like, super easy. We offered one day, he said yes, that was it. There was no, what are we going to talk about? How long is it going to be? Is it going to be edited? There was nothing. What's the waiver? Here, give me that waiver. Sign it. It was so easy. So he was already booked. They never committed to doing the show. So all this talk, there was another thing they said that the reason why they did the Beyonce thing, the Beyonce event in Houston, was so that they could be in Texas to do my show.

They never agreed to do the show. None of that's true. They never agreed. That's fucked. They also said that they sent someone down here to the studio to do a walkthrough of the set. That's not true. The Trump administration did. I mean...

If they are trying to say that they, as in the entire federal government, well, I don't think the Trump, well, I guess the Secret Service is a part of the federal government. Maybe you can kind of get away with saying that because the Secret Service came down here for Trump and looked around that we sent someone down, but it was not. It was the Trump administration sent him down because they're the only ones that had a date to do the show. These people didn't have a date. They never agreed to do the show. This is really important.

Even after Trump went on, they offered for me to come to D.C. and do a show with Kamala. But even then, it was the same deal. It was only like 45 minutes to an hour.

And, you know, it was not on my set. And I said that, look, he did it here. We should probably do it here. Like if it's possible to do it here. Obviously, when he did it, it had an enormous result. I'm willing to do the same thing for her. I wanted to release both of them on the same day. This was my goal. I was even trying to figure out if there was a way that I could do it. And I even offered to do it late that night.

So the night that Trump came on, I'm like, what if we do her like when she's done in Texas, if she came here, but no one ever committed to doing it. This is really important because they keep pretending that I lied or I did this or I did that. No one, they never committed to doing it. We offered, we went through, I've got a whole, we have all the receipts, by the way. Of course. I have a whole list of conversations that took place. They never said she was going to do it. So

So this whole idea that we fucked her over and then we fucked her over for Trump, incorrect. Just not true. But I think it's someone trying to cover their ass for the fact that she never did it. And if she did do it, it might have had a positive effect. Yes.

If her and I had a good time and we got along great and she won over, you know, the air quote young male vote, things could have been different. Who knows? So this guy's probably trying to cover his ass. That's what I'm thinking too is because the reaction to her not coming was like pretty big. But they didn't commit to doing it. This is the thing. While this guy's saying like that we were difficult to deal with. Not true. We were super easy. We made it real clear. But –

Also, it's got to be the actual real show. It shouldn't be some fake version of it where I'm sitting in a conference room. Also, they wanted a stenographer in the room. They wanted staff in the room. Trump was just in here by himself. Just me, him, and Jamie. That's it. For three hours.

Like they wanted to do everything. They wanted it very controlled and they were really concerned that it wasn't going to be edited. So I don't think they ever really were sure they wanted to do it. Then once Trump did it and it had this huge response, I think then it was like, what the fuck? What are we doing? He just did it. It's got 50 fucking million views. This is so stupid. Why didn't we do it? And so then there was even then when they offered to do it in D.C., my manager asked, is she committed to doing this? If I bring this to Joe.

No, she hasn't committed to doing this. Have you brought this to her? Like they wouldn't even say whether or not she had expressed willingness to do it or whether they were trying to convince her to do it. There was, we know for sure there were some people that were supposedly on her staff that were against her doing it. They thought it was a bad, cause you know, it was a bunch of wokesters. They're basically in a cult. You have a distribution, like if you're willing to go on Fox News,

You talked to, what's that guy's name, Brett Breyer? Yeah. Where they cut that off after 20 minutes. When they did that, that's when I was like, look, it's got to be in the studio. It's got to be in the studio and it's got to be real. It's got to be a real conversation. I had entertained a couple of times going to her, but I was like, 45 minutes is just not enough. You know, you and I have been talking an hour and a half already. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, it's not enough time. You need more time. You need more time to find out what makes someone tick. And that's probably what she was afraid of.

Probably what they were afraid of. Maybe not her. I don't think they should have been. I think we would have had a good old time. No, you're a good guy. I think we would have had fun. I think it was a huge, huge mistake on her part. And let's be honest. Like, it's the kind of thing that it's reminiscent of the – I forget the congressman that asked Mark Zuckerberg how Facebook makes money. It's just like they're so – you're so detached from the modern world. It's like you –

You could spend millions of dollars on all your ad campaign all across YouTube, or you could just go sit in the room with Joe for three hours, and I'll tell you which one's going to do better for you, lady.

but she picked the ad campaigns on YouTube. The problem is that I think that the people that saw it as, they thought they were going to win anyway, apparently. And the people that saw it as a negative thought, like there's been a few blunders where things didn't go well. But I think a lot of those blunders are, I was listening to this woman on the Tucker Carlson show, and she was talking about what Biden was like during the presidency. And one of the things that she said, I thought that was very interesting was that

There's many people that worked with Biden that said there were moments in his first couple of years where he was very lucid and that he would be actually running the meetings and he had talking points that were written down, but he was having these lucid conversations.

And then he would do these public things and he would have blunders. I think a lot of it is just the pressure of performing publicly under intense scrutiny. Like if you have to do a live set, like say if you have to do Saturday Night Live or something like that, and you're going to do a monologue, the pressure of doing that monologue is so much different than the pressure of just going up at a local comedy club. It's insane. And I think that pressure, Joe Biden, as much as, you know, I'm sure he has a

high self-opinion, clearly, when he is confronted by the reality that half the country hates him and thinks he's doing a terrible job, and then he has to talk publicly live.

then I think those cognitive problems were sort of elevated. That makes sense. I think that's the same with her. So I think that's the same with her when she's on Fox with Brett Breyer. I think it's hostile environments. I think it's large crowds. I think it's a lot of things where you don't get to see the real person. So that was my goal. My goal was to

Try to meet the real person. Just like I did with Trump, just try to meet and talk with the real person. And my goal was what I really wanted to do, which we talked about this quite a bit, me and my manager, of doing it on the same day. And my manager, she agreed. She's like, this would be the perfect way to set it up. Like we both agree, put them both out at the same time, you know, go watch them all, see what you think. That would be the ultimate way to do it. But they never agreed to do it.

it. So all this shit that's in that book that they never talked to us, just not true. Maybe it's someone who's trying to preserve their job. Maybe someone's trying to say, "Hey, it wasn't my fault. They became difficult." No, we didn't become difficult. The other thing was like they wanted to do it that Saturday, the day after Trump. And I said, "I'll do it, but it has to be at 8:30 AM." The reason why was I had a podcast already scheduled that was a live UFC podcast. So we do this thing called Fight Companion.

So there was this title fight that was happening in, I think, was it Saudi Arabia or was it Dubai or Abu Dhabi? It was somewhere in the Middle East, I believe, if I remember correctly. See if you can find out what that was, just so we're clear.

I have friends, I flew in three of my buddies from California and we were all going to do this podcast together. Like we had committed to doing this. Like they were already in town. Like I can't just say no guys, I can't do this awesome thing because I have to interview Kamala Harris. No, I understand. Seems like I should to some people, but that's because you're in the politics business.

I'm an MMA commentator. This is part of my job. And I said I would do it. I said I'll do it, but it has to be like 8:30 in the morning because I have to be done by the time the fights start. That's reasonable. They didn't do that either.

So this idea that I sabotaged her, there's a bunch of people that say I fucked her over or whatever, that's not true. So you can think whatever you want, but it was Abu Dhabi. So that was Ilya Toporia versus Max Holloway. So for UFC fans, just so you know, for people listening that aren't UFC fans, that was a huge fight.

That was a gigantic fight. Max Holloway just beat Justin Gaethje in like literally the knockout of all time. And Ilya Teporia is one of the absolute best fighters on planet Earth, if not number one pound for pound, certainly number two.

So he's in the top five of the absolute best athletes in any weight class. So this was a clash of the titans, the greatest featherweight champion of all time versus the current featherweight champion. So I'm not going to miss that. It's me. I understand. I work around you. I said I would do it at night. I'll come back. I'll do it at midnight. I don't give a fuck. I'll do it.

So it wasn't me fucking someone over. And so just whoever's in charge of spreading that narrative, that's deceptive. Yeah. And she missed out, man. She could have sat in the same chair that Shane Gillis sat in, right? Yes. No, he sits in that one. Or it could have been a wreck. But it could have been a wreck with Trump too. You know, like there was a moment where me and Trump were – I was saying, tell me how the 2020 election was stolen.

And I feel like if you're – for the last four years have been telling everybody that they robbed you, you should be able to tell people how you know they robbed you and you should be able to say it. Articulate it, yeah. Yes. Clearly. Clearly. I don't – so I don't know what that's about. I don't know if –

He has other people that tell him that. He compartmentalized. Like, look, hey, Rudy Giuliani, you deal with that. I got other shit to deal with. I'm going to deal with this. You tell me they robbed me, I'm going to say they robbed me. That could be it. I don't know. I don't know. So that could have gone sideways, but it didn't. It didn't. It goes back to that how you disagree with people thing. You don't have to be an asshole about it, right?

Right. You should be able to communicate with people in a way that it's just about what you're talking about. It's not a, it's a shitty tactic to try to break a person down as a human being because you want to enforce your argument or say their argument sucks because they suck as a human being too. Like, come on, we're, we're big grownups here. We can just talk about the actual ideas. I mean, we actually get to where we're trying to get to, right? We're trying to figure out the other side of this. So,

Seems kind of cut and dry, but a lot of people miss that. The ego's a powerful fucking thing, man. It really is. And I'm glad we took that little side trip because I had to explain that. But the thing is that little monster rears its ugly head in everything. It doesn't just rear its ugly head in politics. It rears its ugly head in archaeology, in religion, in culture, in everything we do. Yeah.

it just it's a lot of it is I have said this for so long I don't want to ever say I was wrong and I will I will somehow or another

derail any arguments against me. I will call those people racist. I will call those people... I was watching one of your videos where there's this person who listened to what Flint Dibble said about Graham Hancock and Atlantis and connecting Atlantis to white supremacy. And she made the most distorted statement that...

That's saying that people of color were not capable that this is the argument of the people that support Atlantis people of color were not capable of that sort of civilization which literally no one has ever said because everybody especially the people that believe that that area of Sub-Saharan Africa the right shard right shot. Yeah, right shot. How do you say I think I think it's right shot right shot structure that that is That that is Egypt or that is rather Atlantis. That is literally in Africa. I

So who the fuck do you think built it? If you're talking about the pyramids. No one is saying Europeans came to Africa and built the pyramids. No, the Africans built the pyramids. So none of this white supremacy thing makes any sense. Because all these people are saying was, I think that this city in Africa was Atlantis. If you're going to find an ancient civilization that is super advanced...

Wouldn't you think maybe it would be in an area around where there's fucking for sure ancient advanced civilizations that made pyramids? Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a no-brainer. It's kind of a no-brainer. What they do, this is where Flint is especially insidious. You know, I got along well with Flint and a bunch of other archaeologists for a long time. But I made a video that went into the details of how Ignatius Donnelly was not the guy who founded modern-day Atlantis hunting.

And he did believe in some kind of Aryan first things and it was – he didn't – he believed that other races weren't capable of innovating and he – Yeah, but that's just one douchebag. He was popular. But the thing is, is people that came before – they tried to make it out like –

And the guys that came before him both believe the Maya were the founding. One of them believe the Maya fucking whooped the ass all the way over into Indian shit. He believed that the Maya were the Egyptians. What? Yeah. Augustus Le Plignon is the one that believed the Maya whooped ass all over the world. And the other one was. Were the Maya supposedly seafaring? No.

This is his... It's just a wacky idea? Well, Charles Atin de Pazir de Bogbo. These are the two guys that... They were the first ones to find, like, that Chakmul statue with the weird and the heart and the plate. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks Egyptian. They were the ones that started seeing... They're the first ones to see the similarities between these things. And so they believed that, you know, ancient Egypt is this technologically superior place. And here we've seen the same thing here with similar iconography. So...

I made a video explaining that this is the SAA – that the letter that the Society for American Archaeology wrote to Netflix to call Graham Hancock a racist basically, not call him a racist. Fuck you guys. Is –

it was wrong. They were as erroneous. It contained false information. And I pointed that out and eventually Flint's addressed it. And his argument was, well, it doesn't really matter. It's not a big deal. We use the word comment and, and, and Graham talks about a comment and these, this other guy didn't. And, and it doesn't really matter because so many white supremacists believe this shit anyway. And it was just like, at that point I was kind of like, okay, this isn't science anymore. And then I watched him,

Do that waffle and bullshit here where he did it with great when you were pushing him on it and he's like, no, I didn't say that. Well, yeah, I said, well, no, I didn't say that. I was just already. I'm going to drag you for this. There's too many people that are used to being in a position of authority where they're never questioned like that. And they can say that in front of a class or they can say that in front of colleagues and nobody pushes back. And then there's also this problem with leftist ideology where.

If someone if there is some sort of history at any point in time of white supremacy like that, Ignatius Donnelly guy, like you have to connect even everything attached to the theories of this advanced democracy.

city this advanced lost civilization you have to attach it to white supremacy or you are a racist or you're enabling or you're a dog whistling which is my favorite dog whistling is my favorite it's insane I hear racism I hear racism god I'm going to do a lynching it's just it's so dumb because listen if you have a place like Egypt where

That's way crazier than Atlantis. You already have a place that's fucking insane. Yes. That's way crazier because whatever Atlantis had, it didn't survive whatever that – if that Reichsstaat structure, if that's really where it is and it was impacted by the Great Flood, by the end of the Younger Trias, the impact theory, the water –

From all the polar caps rushes through and destroys everything and giant tsunamis everywhere because the global cataclysm Okay, it's well it wasn't as good because if that's the pyramids are still standing so that all that shit happened at the same time the pyramids - yeah, so that what you're saying if you really believe all that is that the pyramids were way more advanced than Atlantis and Believing in Atlantis is crazy. Yeah, I

Help me out. And it's white supremacy, even though it's in the same part of the fucking world. Help me out. Yeah. It's always, always – basically, no matter what, they're always going to find a way to not just dismiss it. They're going to poo-poo it. They're going to – that's not an underwater moment. That doesn't look like a tool to me. It's just this poo-poo attitude that really – it does them a huge disservice because –

Ultimately, the most interested amateurs on the planet would be us, Pyramidiates, guys that are into that kind of goofy shit. We're the most interested. Just like Carl Sagan knew his audience, the most interested people in space were the UFO crowd. The most interested people in archaeology are not archaeology students. That's their nine to five. I'm the one that's reading the shit at two o'clock in the morning with the beer in my hand. I love the shit.

But I don't want to – you're going to bore me if you talk about stratigraphy. We're going to want a story. We're going to want – You're going to want something that excites you. The mystery. Yeah, to dig into it. So when they literally deliberately piss on the mystery, it's just like, oh, there's nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. Let me tell you about stratigraphy. Nothing to see here. That's why I talk about Carl Sagan all the time. He might have laughed in their face even with Chuck, but he'd never tell them there's nothing to see here. Well, you know why? Carl Sagan smoked a lot of weed. He did. Yeah.

You smoked a lot of weed. That's very uncomfortable for a lot of people that don't like weed. Oh, makes you lazy. Nope, you were already lazy. Yeah. Weed just got there while you were lazy. It has nothing to do with weed. Stop it. You know? It's true. I get what you're saying. A lot of people like to blame things for – say that drugs are all just bad, but I forget the dude's name –

Like was the guy that discerned the DNA, like the human DNA. Francis Crick. Yeah. And Carey Mullis. Did it well on LSD. Yeah. Like cracked the code on LSD or whatever. I mean that shit's – it's part of our brains, man. It's there. And as a tribe – I think there's some controversy about the Francis Crick thing though, right? Isn't there a controversy about whether Francis Crick was – I'm pretty sure Carey Mullis was open when he was talking about the PCR method that he devised that when he was on acid.

Which is also, he was a huge critic of using that stuff for detecting diseases.

He's like, this is so fucking stupid. Like, you don't know. Like, he was so angry. Have you ever seen that video where he's angry about Anthony Fauci saying he does not know what he's doing? He's not a scientist. He's a bureaucrat. See if you can find that video because it's fascinating because he's literally talking about this is pre-COVID, by the way. OK. Because he died like right or right before COVID happened. But he was talking about how PCR should never be used to detect diseases because you could find these tiny fragments.

Right.

that you can't use it to detect whether or not someone's sick. And that's what we're using during the pandemic to detect whether or not. So you got so many false positives. You know, some estimates were higher than 50% false positives. That's insane. Insane. See, you find Carey Mullis on Anthony Fauci. He's like sitting at a desk at his kitchen table or he's sitting at his kitchen table with a guy he's talking to. And he's just breaking down the difference between the actual science and

Have you found it? It's only a preview of the video. I know it's available. I've seen it. I'm just looking. Your timing. I'm stuck in the preview site and I've got to find one. I'm finding it. Okay. You'll find it. I'm sure. I've got to double check and make sure. See, this is not what you wanted. That's it right there. Second one down. It's 10 seconds. Oh, really? This is Russia. I'm not going there.

It says Russia? Yandex.ru. Oh, you're going to get a fucking virus instantaneously. There it is. Change your computer to Russian script first. Yeah, I think that's it.

So this is Cary Millis, won a Nobel Prize for his PCR technique while employed by Emeryville Biotech firm. This is about humanity that wants to go to all the details and stuff. And listen, you know, these guys like Fauci get up there and start talking. You know, he doesn't know anything really about anything. And I'd say that to his face. Nothing. The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope. And if it's got a virus in there, you'll know it.

He doesn't understand electron microscopy, and he doesn't understand medicine. He should not be in a position like he's in. Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people, and they don't know anything about what's going on at the bottom. You know, those guys have got an agenda, which is not...

What we would like them to have, being that we pay for them to take care of our health in some way. They've got a personal kind of agenda. They make up their own rules as they go. They change them when they want to. And they smugly, like Tony Fauci, does not mind going on television in front of the people who pay his salary and lie directly into the camera. You can't expect the sheep.

What is it? Yeah. So this was pre-pandemic. Yeah. 96, it says. Yeah. That's brutal. Yeah. So what he's talking about, I think back then, was also the AIDS crisis, which that's a whole other ball of wax. And if you want to get into that at another time, folks, just please go read Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci. It's incredible.

But so this is another thing. This is more gatekeeping. It's the same kind of thing. This may be in a different way, maybe not to protect the ego, but to protect money. Yeah. One of the things with COVID that always tickles me on that is the way that they threw the – I feel – to me, I feel like they threw the red herring of a mask at us. I feel like the mask was a bullfighter's cape.

I feel like you've only got so many hours in a day. You've got to pick your battles and you've got the mask is an easy symbol. It's everybody can complain about it because it affects everybody. It's an easy touchstone. You can see it. You can it's it's.

But while everybody's fighting that, it really is effectively you just have to fucking wear a hat for a few months or a few years. They're closing down our stores and taking the kids. I got two more years of wrestling. Yeah, fuck you. You're never going to make state. Fuck you. That's the people. That's the stuff that was getting lost. The masks. I'll wear fucking masks over my face today if it'll bring back white elephant shit. There's also no logical explanation. If the vaccine worked, give it to the people that are vulnerable. Let everybody else live their life.

That makes the most sense. But they couldn't do that. They had to pretend that the other people were vulnerable. They had to pretend that children were dying of it. They talked about it all the time. No healthy children died of it. It's not true. They tried to pretend that it was really dangerous for young people. It wasn't, unless they were already really sick.

What it exposed in this country is that there are a lot of people that are completely full of shit that are in charge of telling us what the truth is. And that also, we're really vulnerable in terms of our health. Our health is very vulnerable. Our economy is very vulnerable. We can't just shut the country down for a year and a half. It doesn't work like that. We're vulnerable. It destroyed a lot of businesses. Destroyed people's lives.

It caused so many people to become drug addicts, so many people to commit suicide. There's a loss of life and a loss of hope. And who knows what it's going to do to these young children that had to wear masks when they're in preschool. Who knows what the fuck that does to you? Learning how to talk with a mask on. You're not reading mouths and lips and you're not getting a full facial feature to read off like children need for their development.

We found out that there's a lot of people that just aren't telling you the fucking truth. And the crazy thing is they were doing it in the age of the internet because they had been used to doing it for so long. They didn't develop the thing that people have now. Like now, especially someone like you or I who does stuff on YouTube...

You know that if you say something and it's not true, you got to go back and say, hey, this is what I thought. This is why I thought it. But now I know that this isn't true. Because if you don't do that, no one's ever going to fucking trust you again. Anthony Fauci in the beginning of the pandemic, like, don't wear a mask. It doesn't do anything. It's just anything. It's going to smuts with it and.

Then later he's saying, wear a mask. I wear two. I wear two masks. Like, what the fuck? We have video, man. This is a different time. This is in 1986. You can't just go and tell us some shit and we don't know whether or not you said something completely contrary to that just a month ago. Yeah. I think that might be part of why Kamala was so worried about the unedited thing, you

You know, when Hillary fainted a few election cycles ago, that video would have never made the news in the 90s. They just got bought. Right. But fucking before they nobody knew it existed before it was posted. It was just like the dude and bam. And now the Internet has it as too fucking late. So I think the real thing that did her in was call me.

Oh, yeah. I think the investigation into the emails, I think that like in the middle of the – That was brutal. That was crazy. What I'm getting at is that I think that that's – especially for an older politician, somebody like Biden, how many decades of his life was he able to buy any video footage that was going to cause him any problems? He just fucking squashed that.

two or three and now it's like nothing dude you slip and fall going viral buddy anything you can do about it also who's letting him walk up that fucking stair without having a catcher behind him oh come on

I would have some giant dudes, big old fucking linemen. Because if he's going down the stairs and you got slippery shoes on, that's a fucking precarious catch. Yeah. And you know, you got 180 pound man who stumbles and he falls backwards like, yeah, that's the fucking president.

Don't just let him walk up that thing on his own with slippery shoes on. After he fell the third time, why did they let him keep doing that? Maybe it was some of Gerald Ford's family was hoping he'd break the record. People don't know. Giving away our age here. The old Gerald Ford stuff. Boy, that's old. That is. Next you're going to do a Nixon impression. Oh, God. Yeah. I'm not a crook. Yeah. It's all – the whole thing was –

Very eye opening, I think. And I think that also led to Trump, you know, destroying in the election. That's that's probably has a lot to do with it. I mentioned before, like they closed that white elephant store, but like they close so many bars in the town. Like I was thrilled that my my favorite bar Mootsies is still around.

But it had a closed sign on it when apparently like the plumbing above it leaked. And I thought they were gone too because it was closed down for them to fix that in the middle of COVID. And it was just like, God damn it. It's like we lost so many things in that town that were just little mom and pop outfits. And just comes in and gets replaced with like Target.

Yeah. And like you come to a city like this and you still got little shops that do well, little cafes and whatnot. But I live out in this. I live in a city, but around it's a bunch of farm farm country. And there's like the place in Davenport that had these great milkshakes. You can't fucking go there no more. They're closed. They're gone. And it's a bunch of places like they've been around for generations. And it didn't have to happen that way. No.

If you want to be real cynical, the people that are the real progressive leftists, you should be cynical about that because it was the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the United States. The lower class, lower and middle class lost $3.9 billion or trillion?

was it trillion? What was the transfer? It might have been trillion. I think it was like $3.9 trillion over the course of the pandemic. And then that money was transferred to the wealthiest people gained that money. How? What happened? Stocks, mutual funds, what magic are you doing? You basically stole money. Like something happened and through your policies, you enabled the wealthiest people to get way wealthier and the poorer people to get way poorer.

It's like $3.9 trillion. Is that correct? The transfer of wealth. I know. I'm looking at an article from 2022. I didn't see anything newer. Yeah, it's a newer one. They were talking about it really recently. They were talking about it like mirrors. Exactly. $3.1 trillion. Something in there. $2 trillion. I see. What year is that? $5.2 trillion. There you go. I don't know. I'm seeing numbers. Let's be conservative and say it's $3 trillion. Okay.

That's a crazy amount of money that gets transferred and no one is like freaked out that this was by policies and this is by keeping everybody's business shut down. You could basically just take over because people still need to buy stuff. And then these big companies that people have stock in, the stock goes way up and then everybody gets wealthier.

This is kind of nuts. Well, the progressives are outraged in this idea that it was protecting your health. But how are you sure? Did you look at the data? Because it doesn't seem like it was. Over several decades, this says it was 50 trillion during the pandemic, though.

Jesus. That's insane. $50 trillion from the bottom, 90%. And that's made the U.S. less secure. Yeah, for fucking for sure it does. But the problem is yachts aren't cheap, bro. No, they're not. I'm not looking at them yet, but maybe next week. You want to put in an order for one of them supersonic jets? You've got to have some chatter. It might be time to take over a small country. Or two, yeah. Or two, yeah. It's pretty wild. The things that were lost during COVID-19.

were in my mind one of the biggest things was the trust in the scientific community um

they're being honest. And I, again, I like science. I like science a lot. And I don't, I think that just like most activists and most anything, like when you look online and you see a transgender person is making a complete ass of themselves, that's generally speaking, not indicative of the way transgender people are even on the fucking internet, man. Otherwise you wouldn't be seeing that person. Right. But, but,

With everything. With everything. With cops, with teachers. You see some crazy teacher saying nutty things in front of the class. That's a small percentage, a tiny – yeah, it's a problem. It's a problem. But it's not all teachers. No, but when it's science, the deal is that science fact-checks itself. Like these guys all throw rocks at each other. They write a paper and other guys are trying to rip it apart and prove them wrong and okay.

So in that environment, it requires an acceptance for this kind of shit to fly. For them to be able to repeatedly lie in peer-reviewed journals requires their peers to not review the fucking papers. That's really the only way that can happen. And that happens so much. Like it's still – The Clovis first thing, which was another thing that Flint pushed back against –

But obviously there's a lot of receipts. Like that guy almost lost his career, was shunned by science, and he was right. And mainstream archaeologists tore that guy apart with personal attacks. They tried to destroy his reputation, destroy his career, because they didn't want to be proven wrong. They tried...

Tom Dillehay was the guy who... Explain the whole thing to people so they don't know. Absolutely. Clovis First is the theory that the first people in the Americas came over the Bering Land Bridge like 14,000, 15,000 years ago, and they used the Clovis points, and this was the first American humans. Before that, there was no people here. Now, they started finding sites that were 30,000 years old, 25,000 years old, and they started fucking with that narrative, and archaeologists were...

for the most part pushing heavily against it. There were a few scientists that would make the finds and that they would fight for them. Now one, eventually it's been overturned. Now that Clovis first is not the narrative anymore. They're not really sure exactly who got here first. They know the Bering land bridge was part of it, but they also think there was some people from the, probably from the ocean in South America. And who knows for sure it's up in the air. They're not so certain anymore, but the Clovis first debate is,

It was so bad that the guy that won it, basically, a site in Chile called Monte Verde was the site that eventually he had a bunch of people there. They looked at the site and when they left, they were convinced that that was the end of the debate for all intents and purposes. There's still a few holdouts. How old was Monte Verde estimated to be? 30,000 years, I think. 27,000. Right in there. Yeah.

The guy that discovered that site and was excavating it, Tom Dillehay, was living in Chile under the time that Pinochet was in charge of Chile. One of his colleagues, and there's video of this. I use this clip frequently. One of his colleagues called the state newspaper and said Monteverde is a CIA-planted site in order to get him down into Chile. His wife and kids are there.

They fucking threatened his life over... This is the archaeologist's version of SWATing. Whoa. Yeah, I shit... You know, the video's all over the place. I use this clip frequently. He...

They basically threatened his life straight up. He got letters to people saying that he wasn't a real scientist, that he didn't have a degree. Is this Dillehay explaining this in the video? Yeah, Tom Dillehay explaining this. If Jamie could find it, what would the video be titled? If you have to go on Google, Tom Dillehay interview will probably do it. D-I-L-L-E-H-A-Y. Sorry, I should have had that one pegged. No worries. I use this clip. I probably use it ten times. Okay.

Uh, it's not one of those, um, uh, maybe put, uh, archaeology with it, because he's talking to another archaeologist. Um, challenging Clovis first. Here, I will. Archaeologists threaten one of their own over Clovis first, is that it? No, it's on a, uh...

There's me. Yeah, that would actually have the clip. Okay, play that then. Go ahead. Archaeologist Tom Dillehay was instrumental in overturning Clovis I with his excavations at Monte Verde, but this caused him to have his life threatened by his own colleagues. His excavations were done in Chile during the reign of the ruthless dictator Pinochet. Clovis I was hotly debated amongst archaeologists at the time, and one of them decided to use Pinochet as a means to silence Tom. Hmm.

I moved down to Chile during the dictatorship years of Pinochet, so I was opening up anthropology departments, so politically it was difficult at that time. And another colleague who sent a letter to the newspaper in Chile

One of the major newspapers saying that Monty Berry was creation of the CIA to plant me down there. And, you know, that puts you and your family in a dangerous situation in a country like that at that time. Seems to me like the archaeologist version of swatting someone. There's a small minority of people who will do anything in their power to defend their paradigm.

Yeah. That's it. That's fucking wild. That's crazy. What if that guy got murdered? Would they be happy if they took him and publicly executed him because they said he was a CIA spy? I'd like to say no, but I mean – Would they be happy? That's such a psychotic thing to do to someone just because – but these people, everything that they identify as is the expert in this particular field. Yeah.

And they'll try to pretend, Flint tried to pretend that that was no big deal. That was a one-off. You know, scientific debates happen, and a lot of guys will say, oh, yeah, that Clovis first, it was bad. But we don't usually do that, dude.

Before Clovis first, there was the Folsom first debate, the idea that the Folsom people were the first ones here. And if you found anything older than, I think, 7,000 years or 3,000 years, whatever it was, anything older than a Folsom culture thing, it was bullshit and you couldn't have a feel. It's on Wikipedia still. You could read about there's a couple of guys that basically formed a guard and didn't let anything get past that point until eventually the Clovis first thing. It's not the first time. This is standard old.

Operating procedure. Created paradigm, defended it with life and death. There's a guy named Max Planck. He was a Nobel Prize winning physicist. And he has Planck's principle, it's known as. And it is science does not progress one discovery at a time. It progresses one funeral at a time.

And this is a Nobel Prize winning physicist that said that, not Graham Hancock. So it's fucking pretty hefty to think about that. People are people, man. Put us on the moon, you're going to have people on the moon. Same fucking problems. Same fucking problems. People on Mars. Someone's going to make a sex cult on Mars. It'll be a great one. First people will be like, look, I'm the fucking king of Mars, bitch. I'm running it now. It's just humans.

And unfortunately, even humans that are attached to what we think of as these egoless pursuits like science. Yeah. That's the ego fucks up even science. But that's where that's where it does frustrate me, because if you take that job, it's like, OK, anytime if me and you get in a fight, it's going to be, you know, it's aggressive and you like you get worked up and you get emotional. But if you're become a cop.

I expect you to fucking know that and roll that shit back. Right. And it's the same thing with the scientists. I expect you to recognize that and roll that shit back. Yeah, roll that shit back. That's your job. That's your job. Your job is to tell us what the truth is. And if you lie...

It doesn't mean that all that truth that you told in the past is now accurate. It just means you suck. That's all it means. So if you're a really good scientist, you say, this is what we thought. This is what we know now. And this is really amazing. And so I was wrong. All these books that I wrote, stop buying them, folks. I'm going to have to write a new book. They don't ever want to say that. They never want to think that those lectures that they taught, that those were inaccurate and that their whole life, they would be a mockery.

They really would because those scientists are fucking vicious. They're so vicious after each other. They attack each other because they all want to be the fucking smartest guy in the room. And when anybody, oh, Mike? Mike's a fucking moron. Mike thinks that. You heard him talk about Fauci the way Carey Mullins talked about him. That's how they talk about each other. That's exactly right. He doesn't know anything. I'd say it right to his face. It's just natural human aggression that's transferred into this field that we think of as

purely academic. And quite frequently these people are, like I said earlier, a little emotionally off, a little socially weird. Sure. Bullied their whole life. Now all of a sudden they get to be the bully, which is one of the things that does happen. It's the revenge of the nerds. It really is. You're right. That's what revenge of the nerds is. It is. It's like, finally, we get our turn to be mean. Oh, my God.

Didn't we not learn anything? This is how wars get started, people. This is how people wind up killing people, because you other the other. By the way, when I drew the parallel about us fighting, I don't want a picture of me next to Shane Gillis. Thank you very much. I'm good. Don't need that. The whole idea of the truth is what we all should be pursuing. And it's just really unfortunate that people are attached to these things that they've said for so long, so much that they're willing to

go out of their way to prove someone inaccurate when they are accurate.

And the Clovis first thing is one of the better examples of that. And now that there's irrefutable evidence like the footprints that they found in New Mexico that have seeds in them that are 22 plus thousand years old. White sands, yes. Yeah. Okay. It's out the window now. You don't know. How about now? We don't know. We don't know how people got here. We don't know how long they've been here. Quit trying to find a clear answer and keep investigating. Right. Especially when we know South America is...

Had life had all these humans living in South America like why wouldn't they move up to North America? Like why would that be weird? Like what's the oldest known people in South America?

I'm not sure. To be honest with you, I'm not sure. The whole Amazon thing's got to throw a big old monkey wrench into that. Well, they recently – you know who Thor Hair et al was, the guy that did like the Contiki voyage to prove that you could cross the ocean in a raft and all that shit? Okay. Yeah. He's an archaeologist. And now he pointed out that on Easter Island that the platform that the biggest, oldest, whatever,

whatever moai or whatever they're called uh that platform the polygonal masonry strongly resembled what he saw in peru to the point where he hypothesized that these were connected and this was just mocked by archaeologists for the longest time now not only do they have genetic evidence in the form of human dna with a solid genetic drift from south america heading out into polynesia as well but uh

Easter Island has breadfruit, has ginger, and...

a couple of sweet potato. It's got food from both Asia and South America and the oldest habited layers that they found. So like they've very... And that's scientifically... What is the oldest habited layers? It's like, I want to say like 1200 or 1800 years ago. It's not real, real old, but it's old enough that like the oldest place that they've excavated and found that the first people, it looks like the first people that showed up there came there

from Asia and South America already. They've been connected to both. What was the evidence of cocaine and mummies? Was that bullshit? I'm not sure about that. It's one of the things that every time I look into it, the data is kind of threadbare and...

As a skeptical guy and a guy who's had his share of time in bars and bathrooms, I have a much stronger feeling that there was some anthropologist in the 70s who was just doing a fucking bump. I'm sorry. Smoking a cigarette and doing a bump on the sarcophagus is way more likely than – just to me, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, and if you're doing coke, you might want to put a little coke on the mummy. I'm going to do a coke off this fucking mummy's nose. Oh, fuck yeah. You know? You're coked out of your mind, and you're doing archaeology, and it's the 70s, and no one is looking over your shoulder. You're a wild fucking Indiana Jones type coke head.

Fuck, there's already people with their AI fucking artwork out trying to make this. Oh, for sure. What was the evidence? See if you can find what the evidence for cocaine in Egyptian mummies was. There's a guy, a Russian scientist that said he found some in 1992, 90s. Look, I found coke. He's like. He's doing blow. He's doing blow. They bust him. I found cocaine. It was in the mummy. I don't know. Yeah.

Definitely not my cocaine. Cocaine, hashish, and nicotine in the hair of Hanut Tawai. Well, cocaine, hashish, and nicotine. German toxicologist Svetlana Balabanova discovered traces of cocaine, hashish, and nicotine on Hanut Tawai. How do you say that? Hanut Tawai's? How do you say his name? Hanut Tawai? Tawai's hair? I don't know.

as well as on the hair of several other mummies of the museum, which is significant that the only source for cocaine and nicotine had at that time been considered to be the cocoa and tobacco plants native to the Americas and were not thought to have been present in Africa until after Columbus' voyage to the Americas. The result was interpreted by theorists and supporters of contacts between pre-Columbian people and ancient Egyptians,

As a proof for their claims, the findings are controversial because while other researchers have also detected the presence of cocaine and nicotine in Egyptian mummies, two successive analysis of the other groups of Egyptian mummies and human remains failed to fully reproduce

Bala Banova's results and some showing positive results only for nicotine, but even that is interesting, right? Well, yeah, and then the next line actually is basically says what I just did after these experiments even assuming that cocaine was actually found on the mummies it is possible that this could be contamination. Yeah, it says that it says even assuming that cocaine which actually found the mummies could be contamination which occurred after discovery of the mummies

The same argument could be applied to nicotine, but in addition, various plants other than tobacco are a source of nicotine, and two of these, withenia somnifera and apium graviolens...

We're known to be used by the ancient Egyptians. Okay. So they did have some sort of nicotine plant. That was 92. 2007 researchers in Peru may have also found some. Oh, and Incan mummies. But Incan mummies, that's... That's there. Yeah. That's where cocaine is. If it was actual cocaine, that would be crazy. If it was not just coca plant, but actual... A little baggy for the future? For your travels? Yeah.

Come aliens, please come back. He's got a little vial. A little vial they tucked away with him in his grave. We've done everything we could to get them aliens back. We're going to process some of that shit. Come on, boys. It would be fascinating if we actually could prove that somehow or other people from South America had made their way to Egypt and back and forth.

And another interesting argument for that was always the Olmecs. Like they look Polynesian or African. They don't necessarily look like they're from South America. Yeah. And there's a lot of the arguments that were made by those guys I brought up earlier that were back in the 1860s. One of them was big into linguistics, and he made all these language arguments.

Models and stuff as to why that Maya was the first or proto language that was all these other ones were built on the other dude was really into iconography I'm sure you've seen some of the symbols that like you see around the world like the that girl that's sitting on the Lions and the master of beast symbols. Yeah. Yeah things like that that you know, it's it's not these are getting me to pull that up Oh, sorry. Yeah, I look up a master of beasts Like I guess sorry

You're going to find some cartoon. I stumbled across something that says that they did more testing that says that there might have been cocaine in

Up to eight bodies. Whoa. They did multiple testing. Yeah, if you're living in Egypt, you're going to get some coke if you've got that kind of cheddar. You know what I mean? If you've got, like, gold headdresses. And what's the ultimate thing to have? Coke. Clearly. You're trying to get more women's, right? If you've got some guy who's coming over from South America, he's bringing coke with him. In the wake of controversy, they used radio immunacy, gas chromatography, and spectrometry. And all of those got the same results.

All bone, soft tissue, and hair contain traces of the drug ruling out possibility of external contamination. Oh, okay. So they did have cocaine. Okay. Well, there you go. Now you got some weird shit. I don't know if it's accurate, though. Why don't I look into this? Let's just slam the book and say it's accurate, Jamie. For the sake of arguing. Master of Beast. Yeah, Master of Beast. If you look up...

like ancient symbol or hopefully that'll bring it up. I forget. Is that He-Man? Master of Universe. I have the power. God damn, we're getting old today with the references. Sorry, young guys. Yeah, we are. Gerald Ford and He-Man. That's it. Yeah, that's it. So,

So that exists all over the world. Yeah, that type of iconography of usually a woman but sometimes a man, all the way back into like Kara Hayek Turkey, like one of those Gobekli Tepe type of sites, has this symbol and that type of symbol. Look at that Master of Animals one, the Wikipedia one in the middle, the gray one. Yeah, right there where your cursor just was, Jamie. No, the one where your cursor was. Sorry, above that.

That's cool, too. But above that, that one. What's that one from? I don't know. Wild. I know. It is crazy. Because it looks like it's got two monsters next to her. That image that we were just looking on. There we go. There it is. There it is right there. Like, what the fuck is that? What are those things next to her? They look like some kind of lion-lizard hybrid. But look, they have, like, lizard tongues. Snake? Yeah. It's tough to say. I mean, obviously, a snake. A tail and wings. Yeah. They have wings. Like, what the fuck is that?

And why does that exist all over the world? That's really where, like, it's an interesting thing that when you see that kind of iconography, it's not the argument of, well, a nail looks like a nail anywhere because you invented a nail. That falls apart because this is just symbols, right? This is just symbolism. So that will imply some contact, right? And it shows up way long ago. Yeah. And why? How is that getting all around the world?

Clearly, people are bringing it. Now, see, there's one place, just because I don't necessarily ascribe to lost technology or ancient high technology, don't get me wrong, when it comes to, like, lost civilization, I'm very much of the opinion that there was a civilization from...

12,000 years ago that got wiped out by some sort of cataclysm. I don't think that it was – I don't think that they had like real high technology, but it wouldn't have taken much technology for them to appear better than their contemporaries. And we see evidence for that today too, which is a really good point. People say, how is it possible that the rest of the world could have been so far behind? Well, they were. Okay. First of all, with the Egyptians, they definitely were. Exactly. Exactly.

Definitely. Like proven everybody else was way far behind them. But even today, my friend Paul Rosalie, he lives in the Amazon. He's like, he protects rainforests and hires these people that used to be loggers to now protect the rainforest and amazing guy. He just filmed the other day an uncontacted tribe. Just the other day. There's uncontacted tribes all throughout there. They're completely naked and they're living a subsistence lifestyle in the Amazon forest. Wow.

Who knows what their fucking language is? Yeah. Who knows what their culture is about? Who knows what they know? But this is a completely uncontacted tribe that exists today along with us with AI on our smartphones. Yeah. Same time period, right? So the idea that this couldn't exist at other parts of the world in the past...

No, it fucking for sure could. By the way, it fucking did in the 1800s when settlers were making their way across the United States. The sun never sets on the British Empire was because Europe was hop, skip and a jump ahead of the rest of the world when it came to sailing and conquering people.

And that's, I mean, you can argue about whether that's good or bad or whatever. But it just existed. It existed. We're talking about the abilities. They were better at it. And in the United States, it's the best example. And what was going on when settlers came from Europe and making their way across the country, they were encountering Stone Age tribes. Yeah, effectively, yes.

100% stone age. They were using stone tools. They were using flint arrowheads. There was a couple of people that had copper, but they weren't making weapons by and large from it. Right. They were making jewelry and stuff. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy, but it's just...

natural function of how human beings adapt to their environment. And it seems that the Nile Valley in Egypt was an abundant, rich environment that had so much resources that allowed those people to stay there and thrive for thousands of years. And if you think of the area being a green Sahara...

And then it slowly gets smaller. That Nile Delta would explain that concentration of people and ideas and stuff because you've got what would once spread out across a large area being all shoved together and making it almost a proto-city type of thing or whatever. Yeah, I'm of the opinion that whatever the lost civilization was, I'm of the opinion that they were really good at seafaring, which made that they were really good at astronomy. And I have

I put to myself, I think that like the handbag symbol, I think that that's a symbol of their ability to, I think like that it is a symbol for a day. Like we were talking about before on that pillar, Gobekli Tepe, that there's three of those handbags. And he says each one is, it's actually a sunrise. It's a. Why? Why is the handbag a sunrise? It's a, it's a,

the ground and it's a sun. It's not an actual handbag. It's a, it's a ground. And so if, uh, could you look up Gobekli Tepe pillar 43? Sorry, Jamie. Thank you. Um, the, in that case, it looks less like a handbag because there's nobody holding it. Um, but, uh,

And in this case, Dr. Martin Swetman's done the work and looks like it's three different days he has it symbolized as. So going with that, you see that three handbags there, each one with an animal next to it. He believes that that's denoting the... So not a handbag, but the arc of the sun over the earth. Yes. So when somebody's holding one of those, I think that it's a symbol for a knowledge of astronomy that most people don't have.

So the astronomers are the people holding the handbags. That's what I think. They're the ones who explain to you the cycles of time. And they're the ones that were capable of seafarers. They were the ones that when they would show up, they would have the same teamwork, the same ability to work with ropes and all that shit they could use to move megaliths. The same mathematics or extension of it. It's the kind of thing that...

It would be easier for them to move a big rock with a team of guys that have worked together working on boats than it would be for them to move a big rock with a team of people who've never done anything like that before. And that would also explain why a lot of times these are lined up with stars and shit like that because astronomy would be very important to them. So I do think that there was a lost civilization. I mean, even simple shit like the bow and arrow, in all honesty, if you think about how complicated that would be to effectively create all the way. It's easy for a dude to figure out the tension, but...

Building a flight and an arrow that's like weighted, it's way different than a spear. It's being launched from the back, not the center, so you can't just transfer it over. This is requiring multiple people over multiple generations, in my opinion. I think that the fact that we see it all over the fucking planet says something.

That probably people were traveling. Yeah. It's not something that people would figure out on their own everywhere. Now, we have atlatls too, right? Yeah. And people figured those ones out, but that seems like a more simple device. Yeah, it's a lot simpler. So why isn't that everywhere instead of bow and arrow? Probably was, but the bow and arrow supplanted it, and it was only kept where you really needed the penetrating power of the atlatl. Right. So, again, this is all just spitballing, but we don't know for sure. I could say that I do, but I don't.

It's just so interesting. Really so interesting. Because the concept of if these mummies that show cocaine really are proof that somehow or another someone came from the Americas with cocaine and made their way to Egypt, boy, that throws the whole thing off.

Throws a monkey wrench into the whole gears of our timeline of civilization. Like, man, how are they doing that? How did they get over there? That's so fucking far. And a Naki taxi cab service. What's your... Sorry. Based off of what you're saying with like it's a time measuring tool, I'm looking for more examples of it. This is a very interesting explanation. I don't know if it's accurate. Hopefully you can shed some light on it. Does this make any sense what it's saying?

About a... Water clock? Yeah, so a baboon, because there's a... Damn it, I can pull it up in a second. No, it's okay, let's just read this. It looks like a basket. What is this from? Reddit? Yeah, it's a post about Reddit. So I'm explaining what this is. The hieroglyph depicts one form of something called a water clock or... Say that word. Klepsydra? Klepsydra hydrologia, which was used to tell the time by the drainage of water through a small hole.

The item associated with Thoth due to its use as a measuring tool and thus miniature versions or models made of, what's that word? Phaeons? What's that word? I don't know. Phaeons? Sorry. Often had baboons incorporated into their structure. It's said that...

Horo Polo in hieroglyphica that it was traditional to allow water to drain out of a hole in the baboon's genitalia because the baboon apparently cries and urinates 12 times a day on the equinoxes. So you just like force feed water into a baboon to figure out what time it is? Synchronized class. He's just howling. Oh, it's time to go to eat.

Monkeys howling. Regardless of the exact reason, the hole was indeed sometimes placed at the end of the baboon's penis. Modeled, non-functional versions of the water clock often mimic the shape of the hieroglyph itself, similar to the Maat figurine and may have been used in offering rituals. See if you can find one of those figurines. So that's a water clock built on the idea, and the water clock, the water comes out of the baboon's penis. And I know that...

The ancient Egyptians would measure time during the evening hours with water clocks like that. They would have people tasked with keeping time for the area. Oh, look at that. It's a baboon water clock. The water drips out of his dick. So it's sort of like an hourglass. Yeah, but it's the baboon's dick. That's crazy. Yeah.

That is, that's impressive. I found out something new today. Yeah, me too. That makes it worth it. Right below that pillar, they're showing, I think someone else has explained to us that those are like, they think that's a time, like calendar, those are days or months or something like that. Yes. All this is time. Yes, that's. Wow. So he, what Dr. Martin Swetman thinks is those three handbags there are,

um three of the cardinal points like uh two equinoxes and one solstice i think and then the condor down there holding the the sun is what he believes he believes that's sagittarius and that it's uh do you are basically denoting um

That the fourth cardinal point of the year and that all those other marks add up to the squares are a month, the Vs are days. And at the end of it, according to his interpretation, it's what he thinks of. It's a recording of the time that the asteroid hit, the Younger Dryas impact. Whoa. And he's wrote two scientific papers on it. He's come under a lot of fire for it. Shocker. The majority of the fire is really funny. It's like...

Okay, he's a chemical engineer. So he's a mathematician by trade. He's a number cruncher. And so the first thing everybody says, ah, he's not an archaeologist. You got a fucking number cruncher in here. It's like the field of archaeoastronomy, as it's called, was first officially recognized because of the work of a guy named Alexander Tom. He's the one that was like plotting out a bunch of shit in England and whatnot, right? Yeah.

and seeing that this lines up with that. It looks like the ancients would stand here to look there. He predicted that they would find a viewing platform at a certain site. He's like, they stood up on the side of that hill. I'll bet you find a platform there. They found that platform, and now he's starting to do some science here. He's making predictions, and they're coming true. This guy was an engineer, not a chemical engineer. He was a construction engineer, but he

Had fuck all to do with archaeology. This is very common. If you look at the teams that make up archaeoastronomy expeditions, it's usually an astronomer, an archaeologist, and then somebody who's just a math whiz. He's really, really, he's way above the pay grade on either one of these guys when it comes to number crunching. That's generally speaking the teams that make these things up. So when they go beating at this guy, right?

Betrays, they don't even know of this fucking field. And of course, these are all scientists and historians by and large that are doing that. So it's really hilarious. It's like you guys are you don't even look. You don't even open the goddamn book.

One of them famously or infamously to me, because I drag him for it frequently, said, if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, well, I hope you understand. And it's like, well, I understand between us talking, but I do not fucking understand that for a scientist. Fuck you on that. If your job is to test chemicals to figure out which one does what, you don't say, well, it kind of looks like this one, so I'll skip it. You fucking test each one. Same thing here.

A hypothesis comes at you. You don't get to be like, well, it kind of resembles the one that that one kook came up with. We'll reject it. You test it. Or you don't call it science. You call it guesswork. Well, it's also really interesting in regards to Gobekli Tepe that they've essentially put a giant halt on the amount of excavations being done there. And they've even planted trees over the areas that have not been excavated yet. Yeah. They've done –

Yeah, some of the tree footage that I've seen is just abhorrent. And aren't the trees a protected species of tree? Yep. So you can't cut them down. You can't cut them down. Which is like, why would you do that? Why would you do that over one of the most important historical sites in human history? Well, the guy that did it, like he owns the site, right? And then they find it and now he's trying to sell it. Or not trying to sell, excuse me. The government comes like 10 years later and tells them that they're going to buy it.

And it's just like if you're like if the government's going to build a highway, it doesn't matter how much you paid for your home. It doesn't matter what you got on your property. They're going to come and look at it and they have an equation form and that's all that matters. The swimming pool is not on that form. Fucking swimming pool doesn't get paid for. Well, on this farmland...

Adding olive trees made that an orchard instead of basically arid farmland. Oh, made it more valuable. Made it more valuable. But what's funny about this is, like, we talk about the arguments against this stuff and how stupid it is. Okay. Jim points out that these trees are a problem. And since it's Jim, and Jim is fucking public enemy number one to archaeologists, but I'm coming to get you, Jim. It's going to be my spot soon. Anyway. Anyway.

Since Jim is fucking hated by these guys, it doesn't matter. There is tons of documentation on the problems with having tree roots above a site, all the way from contamination for different microbes to – they use a certain species of snail in Europe to determine certain dates. And tree roots that punch right through that shit introduce that snail to places it shouldn't be, right? Mm-hmm.

Tree roots, well, if one of those enclosures at Gobekli Tepe is filled with water or had a well in it, all those roots are screaming down that thing and just blowing it to shit. It's gone. So there's a number of things archaeologists, everything I just told you, that's shit archaeologists say. I learned all that from reading papers about the problem that tree roots can cause to archaeological sites. Because everybody knows they cause, at least all the construction guys know they cause problems with foundations. Right.

But they don't care. They'll argue all day. Oh, those tree roots aren't so bad. That's a protective. It's not such a big deal. It's all because Jim mentioned it. Had Flint mentioned it first, they would be all up in arms about taking care of those trees. It's so clearly...

Red Rover, Red Rover. It's all about teams. It's just stupid. It's a point where it's just – it's reprehensible in times to be honest with you. It's just shocking that steps haven't been taken to mitigate that when you consider that this is one of the most important archaeological sites ever.

So it threw the monkey wrench into the whole idea that people were capable of building stuff like that only around 6,000 years ago. Yeah. It blasted that on its ear. Like you were saying earlier, I remember –

It drives me nuts because I can't find the clip, but I remember seeing it years ago of Graham talking to somebody and the guy saying, show me the civilization. Yeah, that was with Zawi Hawass and there was another archaeologist, the guy with glasses. Yeah, that's the one who was saying it. And he was openly dismissive in the most disgusting way. Where's the evidence? Yeah.

Then they find it. But back in those days, the standard operating model for humans becoming from hunter-gatherers to civilization was you had to start farming, and then you created a surplus of food. And once you had enough of a surplus of food, for long enough, you started to have these ruling classes emerge. You get your astronomers and your priests and your shamans, and all these guys don't want to work. And so pretty soon you get these cities going and shit. But...

This can only happen when we have a huge surplus of food because that's obviously just wasted labor. Well, Gobekli Tepe really threw that on its ear because there ain't no goddamn farming right then. There's the beginnings of it. There ain't no surplus of food there. There's no surplus of human-created food. You might be finding lots of animal bones and shit, but it wasn't like they grew a bunch of food. So it completely destroyed that entire narrative. And that's the part that because it's a Graham Hancock site –

They're slow to really admit that, but...

Go buy a book from the 90s and read about how humans progressed. Buy an anthropology book and you'll see it very clear that they completely had to rewrite shit because of Gobekli Tebe. Yeah, and it's also – it's a weird one too because they know it was intentionally covered up 11,000 years ago. That one's wild. That's wild. That's one thing that's been pushed back on a lot. But it does look like – there's papers published both ways. But it does look like – last I saw, it does look like the consensus is it was buried.

What's the pushback? The sides of the hill would like collapse into the thing. And so that they would just eventually just kind of push some more of it in there and just leveled it out so they could use the area because it was a bunch of holes in the ground. You couldn't walk your donkeys over or anything. Hmm.

I know it's a little... It seems like a lot of work. There's a lot of areas around that you can walk your donkeys. Yeah. It's not like the whole area. Yeah, I agree. I think that Gobekli Tepe, like any of those, I don't think, I'm well aware. Just like the... Because Jimmy's involved with it, anything Graham Hancock touches, those guys, they're going to poo-poo it. They're just going to dismiss it. Right. And it's sad because he is...

Them hitting him with the racist thing in particular, that's good. You know Graham. That hits him. That fucking hurts him. He's very sensitive. He doesn't – and that kind of shit, man, there are people that are Atlantis hunters today. There's the guy Robert Zafir. I hate to say his name even, but I will because he needs to be put on blast a bit. This guy is – he's an Atlantis bro. He thinks that the DNA story that we've been told out of Africa is wrong. Okay, fine. Whatever. Whatever.

Where the rubber hits the road is when he starts saying – he'll show, like, pictures of, like, old-school anthropological models of proto-humans that are real dark skin and big hair coming out and looking half monkey, half man. And then he'll say there's no way that this could come from the same stock and then show, like, a little six-year-old Danish girl with perfect fucking big blue eyes. And this is this kind of constant digs at –

Not out of Africa, but at Africa. All these different species bred with different hominids and these guys bred with the stupid ones and these other guys bred with smart ones and these guys bred with strong ones. It's racist. For lack of a better term, it might not even be what you would consider white supremacist, but it's definitely... When you're done with... If you were to take everything he said and accept it, you would walk away thinking that different...

of humans are clearly better than each other genetically fucking hands down and you can judge it based on skin. So that is racist, right? What does that have to do with Atlantis? Well, he believes that Atlantis was like the people that spread the ideas around and stuff. Kind of the same stuff I was saying earlier about that Ignatius Donnelly guy. Oh, okay. So he is...

He is what you would think. He's got 300,000 subscribers or so on YouTube. He's not a nobody. So you would think he's the guy that these guys would be poking at for being a fucking racist. But they don't. And there's a real big reason why they almost never do. There's like two people with any following at all that have letters next to their name that have taken shots at this guy on YouTube. And the reason is...

It's – he is what they actually claim Graham is. So it's like if you have somebody that's complaining about a trans activist, the one that's screaming, call me ma'am, that's what they're trying to say Graham is. But actually that's what Robert is and then Graham just would be standing there being like, hey, how's it going? So the problem is if you pay attention to that guy and you see the real racist, then it doesn't work when you call Graham a racist. You can't call him a racist anymore. Yeah.

And so they... Also, they probably don't want to give him any attention. Well, they don't. They give him attention. They talk about him. They do. They just... Like I said, I didn't even want to mention his name. And I know I'm going to get people yelling at me about saying that. But it's... The stuff that he puts out is very clearly... If you were to... Again, if you take it all on board, it would be very... You would be a racist. If you were to just accept it all, you'd be like, well, that guy's black. He's just not as smart as me. Sorry. Fuck, there's a clip for you, Flint. Have fun with that. So the...

One of the things that I saw on your channel in regards to Atlantis was this alloy that they found these ingots. They found this… I'm having trouble. Ossol… Alkalium? Something like that. Yeah, something like that. And it's a combination of zinc and what? Zinc and copper and…

I think it was like zinc and mostly zinc and copper. Maybe it was a tiny bit of silver and it might've just been zinc and copper. And they, they have found shipwrecks that have this stuff in it. And it was written about before too. Like, uh, like it wasn't just written about with Atlantis. Like they'd written about it. It was metal that the Greeks used. It was, uh, basically from one, from one little mountain region. And I have one of your videos that I was watching yesterday. I could find it and send it to Jamie.

Did you find, Seamus? Yes, that's it. That's the word. How do you say that word? Oracallium. Oracallium metal ingots. Calicum, maybe. I don't know. Recovered from shipwreck off Sicily. Yep, that's it. So this was an early version of a metal that they had created. Yeah. Well, they think that it might be an alloy that was found, but that it was like naturally occurring copper that way. They're not 100%, I believe.

But you can make it? We could, yes. As an alloy. We could, yes. And what's interesting is it does talk about that in Atlantis. Can you scroll up a little, Jamie, so I can read that? It says, today most scholars agree that orcalium is a brass-like alloy which was made in antiquity by cementation. The process was achieved with the reaction of zinc ore, charcoal, and copper metal in a crucible. Analyzed by X-ray fluorescence...

With x-ray fluorescence? Fluorescence. Fluorescence. Oh, duh. By Dario Panetta of TQ Technologies for Quality, the 39 ingots turned to be an alloy made with 75% to 80% copper, 15% to 20% zinc, and small percentages of nickel, lead, and iron. What would be the benefit of that alloy? It was considered beautiful like gold, but cheaper and easier to get. Oh.

And considered second only to golden value. Yeah. Was found and mined in many parts of legendary Atlantis in ancient times. Yeah. They said that the temple walls in Atlantis were supposed to have been covered with that stuff. But that's where, you know, myself, and I know this, I think that there's a really good chance that a lot of the evidence that we have, a lot of the written records, the myths and stuff of Atlantis, I think a lot of that's going to have a cultural infusion of

so heavy into it that a lot of the details will get lost and you could almost just be like there was a civilization that was more advanced than the people that wrote about them and that's almost all you could take away sometimes. Like the Greeks of

Atlantis happened to be a democratic society. Well, no shit. The Greeks, they valued that democracy. It was something they were real proud of. So, of course, this great place was democratic. And, of course, they had the same – that rich-ass metal, how the fuck can they cover their temples in that shit, bro? To me, it seemed – you know what I mean? It's just like – a lot of people say that the whole thing, you know, that Plato just used Atlantis as an allegory or a myth. What is this, Jamie? Brass. Brass.

I'll say chemical analysis of the ingots found in 2015 shipwreck, high quality brass. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc.

While the ancient Greeks did not know metallic zinc, they knew zinc-coating ores. And the description that oracallium has similar color and shine as gold fits well with the properties of brass. While brass is not exactly a precious metal, it does not corrode and is widely used on jewelry, marine instruments, and medical instruments. Goldsmiths and jewelers describe brass as mahogany of metals. Wasn't that device – I don't remember how to say the word –

Antikytherum? Antikytherum, yeah. Wasn't that made out of brass as well? Part of it was brass, yes. Yeah.

That thing's crazy. That thing's insane. That thing is insane. It shows some serious thinking going on. Serious planning. And as I've said numerous times, I think that if it didn't look so clunky when they found it, I don't think that we'd have it. I think it ended up on some rich guy's shelf because it's way too fucking cool. But they looked at it and they're just like, I don't know, there's like a mass of metal with like some gear frozen to it or I don't know. It's all corroded shit. And then the

Then they bring it up and hand it off and just, oh, fuck me. Look what we got here. Because, yeah, I mean, that's, you know, that looks kind of cool, but it doesn't look nearly as. It just looks like a wheel. And it was found next to a bunch of statues, right? Mm-hmm. So they had stuff of real value as far as they were concerned. But what's really fascinating is the 3D analysis of what it was and how it worked. See if you can find that. When they show like a, that's it right there.

This is the depiction of what it looked like when it was actually functional. Yeah, it's insane. It's like, what the fuck is that thing? And this was some sort of super sophisticated calendar, right? Yeah. Basically, it's a little thing at school where you would... Oh, I thought it was how they traveled.

It says weather patterns and stuff. Weather patterns? Star phases and weather patterns. Right. You know those things in high school or college where you turn a crank and the sun and all the planets go around it, right? Corresponding weather predictions with star phases. You can correspond weather with star phases?

I guess if you're doing a calendar, right? So if you're looking at when is it going to be winter. Yeah. Wow. Oh, fucking cool. Yeah, it's pretty impressive stuff. That's like way earlier than anybody thought anybody had a mechanical clock. Well, yeah, there's stuff I haven't researched for a long time, but I remember. Oh, that's what it looks like when it's separated. Yeah, this is someone making a planetary thing. Whoa.

yeah like i was saying it's just it's effectively that's the same kind of thing basically so that's what it's based on all those little well no it's it's this those are based on it or um the any kids were mechanisms way before that right like yeah so what year was this supposedly i want to say like 1500 bc or something is what it's but i i might be uh i think it just said 500 bc but yeah is that what it said jim discovered in 1901

Second century BC. Oh, so okay. 200 BC. There was definitely more than one of those. Oh, God, yeah. That's what's crazy. So this is the whole thing when you're talking about ancient technology. If this is only 2,200 years ago, 15,000 years ago, you ain't going to find shit.

Like that is so much longer. And if you think about how eroded that is, if that thing was still in the ocean 10,000 years from now, there'd be nothing left. Yeah. That's the other thing that's really gross about the whole shipwreck dismissal is that these ships were made out of wood. The wood would be gone. This idea that it would all be preserved because of cold water. There's no evidence of that. There's evidence of things that are like 600 years old, 1,000 years old. As soon as you get older than that, you get nothing but the pottery and the jewelry on the floor of the ocean. Right? Yeah. Absolutely right. It's...

Yeah, we don't have fuck-all for shipwrecks way back in those days. And those ships that are preserved from even close to like 10,000 years ago aren't ships. They're little fucking canoes that are found in bogs and places, right? If it's in the ocean, it's not. It's Swiss cheese after a few thousand years and you ain't going to have nothing left. Yeah. One of the things that really is sad about that whole deal is it's –

You know, there was a potential for a real good discussion to be had there. Flint does know a lot about archaeology, and he could have sat down with Graham and had a good conversation about this stuff. But in order to do that, he would have had to have not construed it as a debate in his mind. I mean, Aquaria was still going to get labeled as such, but by making a debate in his head, it's like— You have to win.

You have to win, and so you have to sew shut holes that can't be sewn shut. If we're talking about – like that, there's shipwrecks. Oh, well, you've got to make sure that there's no shipwrecks. You've got to make sure that there's no place for him to speculate whatsoever because – and that's just like – dude.

So you end up with... Right, because he's still right in one way, right? And the way he's right is there's no evidence of a 10,000-year-old shipwreck. No, there is no evidence of a 10,000-year-old shipwreck. That's true. Absolutely. That's all you have to say. And you have to say, well, we have to make a giant leap if you want to assume that people were seafarers. But it is possible. If it's possible that it did 2,000 years ago, do we really know for absolute certainty what year the boat was invented? Thank you. But I'll tell you something that's...

kind of painful and hilarious but sad about this you know flint they're closing the the anthropology department at the university flint teaches that right now um they're closing down other anthropology departments and archaeology departments across the world right now across the country there's uh i just posted one a couple days ago um flint was sitting here with graham talking to you and there was the opportunity for him to say

We do need to do more investigation, Graham. I completely agree with you, which is why I think we need to get some people out there to do some underwater archaeology. Where do you think, Graham? He could be drumming up fucking business. And then, at the very least, even if he looked down his nose at everything Graham had to say, the cheddar comes in, the investigations happen, and everybody's happy. Instead...

They're closing his fucking department. I mean, dude, to me, it's just such a—it might not necessarily be directly related, but he had an opportunity that he completely didn't just piss it away. He just drove it into the ground, did the opposite of what he should have done with it. And they do that as a matter of course. Jimmy Corsetti brought up once about a year ago on Twitter. He's like, oh, yeah, you know.

I think the Nephilim in the Bible, it talks about the giants of Nephilim. I think maybe that might be an extinct species of hominid.

And maybe Denisovans, maybe Neanderthal. So instead of being like, hey, that's interesting, man. But you know what? Denisovans and Neanderthal are both the wrong size for... Neither one of them were bigger than humans, so they couldn't be giants. You need to look into Gigantopithecus or maybe some other. And sent Jim on to go learn about science. Instead, they said, no, it's fucking stupid. Both of these are smaller than that. God, this Jimmy Corsetti guy's a fucking grifter. God, he's stupid. And then...

I come along and point out that you had a missed opportunity here, guys. Why are you doing it like this? Why are you being dicks instead of – you're here trying to be a science educator, right? Right. He has a bigger platform than you, right? Right.

The giant thing is always weird to me because there's so many people that believe in kooky shit that want to believe there was giants. And that they hit them, Smithsonian, they've got them tucked away. Why? Why would they hide giants? Would society fall apart if we knew that at one point in time there were 11-foot men running around? And what happened to them? Maybe they're just like a lot of other large animals that just need too many resources. You ate them all and that's why they're gone. Yeah.

Maybe they're just dumb as shit and huge. We ate them. Or we killed them. Maybe we got tired of them raiding our villages and they couldn't figure out weapons because they were so big they never had to. If we do know that there's tiny hobbit people, why wouldn't we assume that, look, if the tallest humans are like, what's the tallest guy ever? He's like nine feet tall. Eight foot three. Robert Wadlow. I grew up near him. So let's imagine something two feet bigger than that. That's not so hard to believe.

That there was a bunch of them? Is that hard to believe? If we find out that there was Little Hobbit people, and if we find out there was Denisovans, and what's those big-headed people that they found? We were talking about it. They found in China the extra-large skulls.

It's a very recent discovery. We were just talking about it. They thought at one point in time they were Denisovans, and now they think it's a completely separate chain. Oh, wow. Yeah. They're always hunting these new little weird humans. But these big-headed people, they had, like, large brows, and their skulls were much larger than ours. Hmm.

Yeah. And we pulled images of them the other day. Remember? They looked giant. We had jacked versions of it. I'd probably call them just the large head people. I don't know a better name for it. Fuck. Google big head people discovered. I did. Literally, the website says large head people. Yeah. It's just...

I don't have a better name for it. But remember, we did find a better name the other day. That's it. Those are the people. That's the article. So this is December 20th.

2024. So it was really recent. Wow, yeah. Wow. Yeah. What? What?

Bigger brain things. Like, what is this thing? Juluren. Juluren. Yeah. Google Juluren images. There's some cool fucking CGI versions of what they think this thing looks like. Go to images. Damn. There's one where he's like super jacked. Oh, that's like that one over there. Like, look at that.

Super jacked primate that stands upright. Here's a weird one. How come all the intelligent things stand upright? Is it because you need your hands free?

Because if you're walking on four legs, you never figure anything out because you're always using your hands to walk with. That might be part of it. Like you need to become bipedal. Yeah. Opposable thumbs. Well, the aliens don't, though. They gave up on that. They just want three digits. Well, that's because they all just do tablets now. Yeah, they're so advanced. They're just scrolling. Yeah. You ever seen a little kid take a magazine and try to like... I saw this today. This is the world's tallest woman meeting the world's smallest woman. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah.

Right? Like, look how... That's insane. And those are both human beings. Yep. Right? At the same time. Well, one of the things that's interesting to me about the giant bones, like, the reports that they go... The things that they use to really... Their smoking gun is, like, there's a few reports from, like, the West Coast and, like, Grand Canyon and shit. And they would send these letters back being like... Or there'd be a newspaper that this guy discovered these big giant bones and they're bringing them back. Right. And...

I'm of the opinion, being the skeptical person I am, I'm of the opinion that this was more of an announcement to the people back east that, hey, if these things happen to get stolen along the way and I happen to find a bunch of money along the way, now's your chance because once they get to the Smithsonian boys, they're theirs.

So I don't think any of them made it. If these exist, if they were giant bones at all, I don't think a damn one of them made it to the Smithsonian. I think they got bought up and they're sitting there. I mean, fuck. Come on. These guys have their fingers. Some Jeff Bezos type character from 1802 has it in his house. Archaeology became a field because. Imagine if you go over some skull and bone type dude's house and you have a fucking giant skeleton. It's a special type.

Jesus Christ. You have a giant skeleton in your house? Fucking metal plates on his face and stuff. They're fucking real? How many people have those little alien babies? Those little alien skeletons? I mean, if people find out about that, some crazy Chinese billionaire, get me a little alien. Come on. I want it for my study. And that's basically how that's... That probably happens a lot, right? Because these archaeologists aren't making much money. No. And of course it happens a lot, especially in the third world and shit.

Oh, yeah. I mean, and that's where all the... Not all, but that's where a lot of the cool stuff is. But you go to a place like that, it's like your boy up in Alaska finds a spot, and because it's not human remains, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Right. If those were native remains, it'd be a different story. Right.

And, like, he's pulling cash out of that. But guys in other countries where they don't even have enough to feed. I mean, look at how the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, right? They just buy them off of fucking little kids and shit, right? People that had no money. Like, the kids throw rocks up there, and then they find them, and then the dudes that buys the first ones were bought from the kids that found them. Isn't that crazy? It's insane. And for nothing, of course. And imagine if they were just burned somewhere. Imagine someone said, this is a heresy, and lit them on fire. Like,

We would have lost it all. Like Library of Alexandria. Like all that shit that ISIS blew up. Oh, right, right. Fuck. Yeah. Crazy. That hurt. Seeing those videos was like bad. I read that about the mummies. That's how they found them, the Nazca mummies. There was grave robbers because they were found in a cemetery area. But someone found some weird ones, I guess, amongst the bodies. Which ones do you think? Mexico and...

Which ones do you think they took first? Yeah. You walk in there and there's all these 200 of them. One of them is really extra crazy looking. Give me that one. Give me the alien. The one with the giant head. The reports that I told you Rockefeller got those big skulls, the reports say that they gave him three or four bundles that were in desperate need of repair. I call bullshit on that. I think he got the four best motherfucking bundles they had. Probably. Probably got them set up with like a UFO in the background in his house. Got to go to a secret room.

Look, the visitors, they've been here forever. One of the things I did want to ask you is one of the wackier theories that I read online was that there was a discovery of some sort of an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon. Yes, I've heard this. Yeah. That's basically one guy's story. It's cool. I want to believe. That's the problem. I want to believe, too. That's the problem. I want to believe, too. But why would they hide that from us? Well, the only reason that there's a part of the Grand Canyon you can't go to.

That is true. Dun, dun, dun. Why can't you go? What's the rule? I think it has to do with Native American stuff, but I haven't dug too terribly into this, to be honest with you. It's like, let them have a casino and let us go there. It might even just be because they're worried about people falling off the side of a cliff or something and dying. But they die every day. Yeah, they do. Not every day, but like every year someone dies at the Grand Canyon. But this is supposed to be, that cave was supposed to be in that area, and it's supposed to be like pretty...

Hard to find, pretty inaccessible. But yeah, it was supposed to have all kinds of Egyptian relics and stuff in there. Can you imagine if the government's been hiding that from us and UFOs? You guys found an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon. You hid it for so long you had to keep hiding it. Otherwise you would have been an asshole five years ago, a hundred years ago. You know what I mean? It's like we don't ever admit we were assholes, so we'll just keep it hidden forever and ever. We'll know who killed JFK before we get to see what's in that cave. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Yeah, I'm not buying anything. No. No. We're going to release the documents. Sure. Once they said they were going to release the documents, I was like, sweet, I'm going to go look into it. And they're like, oh, it's just going to take a couple, three. Well, they have to go through it all. Because they haven't done that yet. Yeah, I don't know. Well, I get it. I just...

Maybe it could be the grandson of one of the people involved has got power or something nowadays. It doesn't really matter a whole lot. If there's power involved, they're just going to kick that can. Especially if somehow or another you could show that those people profited from that power and then that family's inherited that money and they'd be held liable. Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. Well, listen, Dan, I really enjoy your videos. They're great.

It's a great channel. D-Dunking. It's awesome. It's on YouTube. Always great to talk to you. I'm glad you came back here to do it again. And let's do it another time, man. Yeah, I would love that. Thank you so much. Anytime some wild shit goes down. I would love that. Come down here and we'll decipher it. Thanks for the invite, Joe. I really appreciate it. My pleasure. Great conversation. I enjoyed it. All right. Bye, everybody.