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MAGA Mike Gets Stabbed in the Back by the GOP

2025/5/28
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Ben Meiselas: 作为MeidasTouch的主持人,我认为MAGA Mike Johnson正面临来自共和党内部的强烈反对,他们反对他和特朗普推动的预算案。包括Rick Scott在内的多位共和党参议员明确表示不会支持该法案。更令人惊讶的是,Elon Musk、Ron DeSantis以及共和党全国委员会主席Michael Whatley也公开表示反对。我认为这显示了共和党内部存在严重的分歧和矛盾。 Rick Scott: 作为一名共和党参议员,我明确表示不会投票支持目前的预算案。我认为这个法案存在严重的问题,如果按照目前的构成提交到参议院,根本无法获得通过所需的51票。我认为我们需要大幅削减强制性支出,以在短期内平衡预算。 Elon Musk: 作为一名企业家,我对美国大规模支出投票感到非常失望,因为我认为这会增加预算赤字。我认为一个法案要么是大的,要么是漂亮的,很难两者兼得。我认为政府应该更加关注财政责任,而不是无限制地增加支出。 Ron DeSantis: 作为佛罗里达州州长,我认为共和党国会背叛了美国人民,他们没有采取任何实际行动来削减开支。我认为我们需要对国会议员进行任期限制,并推动平衡预算修正案。我认为Doge和Elon与华盛顿的沼泽地发生了冲突,最终沼泽地赢了,这令人感到遗憾。 Tom Tiffany: 作为一名MAGA共和党众议员,我认为应该对Medicaid进行更多的削减。我认为为了保护Medicaid项目,我们需要进行更多的改革,确保该项目真正服务于那些最需要帮助的人,例如残疾人、孕妇和穷人。 Rand Paul: 作为一名MAGA共和党参议员,我认为我不会支持这个预算案,因为我们需要有人站出来反对这种不负责任的支出。我认为几乎所有共和党人都投票支持继续拜登的支出水平,这将导致巨大的赤字。我认为必须有人认为债务和赤字是错误的,并希望朝着相反的方向前进。 Josh Hawley: 作为一名MAGA共和党参议员,我认为我不会支持众议院的这个法案,它必须进行修改才能在参议院获得通过。我认为我坚持我的底线,即不削减Medicaid福利。我认为众议院的法案不仅仅是工作要求,而是真正的Medicaid福利削减,我不能支持。 Kevin Cramer: 作为一名MAGA共和党参议员,我认为我们将通过一项能够获得50票的法案。我认为我们需要找到一个能够获得足够支持的方案,即使这意味着妥协和修改。 Lindsey Graham: 作为一名MAGA共和党参议员,我认为你们已经有机会了,不要再淡化任何削减。我认为我们并没有在减少支出方面取得重大进展,所以不要自以为是地认为我们已经取得了什么重大成就。 MAGA Mike Johnson: 作为众议院议长,我认为我们不想削减福利,我们没有削减Medicaid,我们没有削减SNAP,我们正在处理欺诈、浪费和滥用问题。我认为各州没有正确管理SNAP,因为他们没有足够的参与感。我认为我们在法案中增加了一个适度的州分担部分,以便他们关注欺诈,从而为最需要的人保留福利。

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The Republican Speaker of the House, MAGA Mike Johnson's budget bill faces strong opposition from within the GOP. Key figures like Rick Scott, Elon Musk, and Ron DeSantis voice their disapproval, highlighting the bill's potential negative impacts and lack of fiscal responsibility. Even within the House, dissent emerges, with some Republicans pushing for deeper cuts.
  • Republican senators and other prominent figures oppose MAGA Mike Johnson's budget bill
  • Concerns about the bill's impact on Medicaid and Medicare
  • Disagreement within the Republican party regarding the bill's approach to spending and the national debt

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He just got devastating news as more MAGA Republican senators in the Senate are saying no way, no how are they supporting the big disastrous bill that MAGA Mike and Donald Trump want to push forward. But get this, you know who else is also tag teaming MAGA Mike and Donald Trump and telling them no way, no how with this budget bill?

Elon Musk and Ron DeSantis. By the way, you also have the chair of the Republican National Committee, a guy named Michael Whatley, saying that this thing is no bueno as well. Let me take a look as MAGA Mike gets his worst nightmare smack down. What the hell are you going to do, MAGA Mike Johnson? So here we have MAGA Republican Senator Rick Scott

who was involved in the biggest Medicaid and Medicare fraud in the history of the United States. That's how he got his money after pleading the fifth dozens and dozens of times in a case against his company. But here he says, uh-uh, he ain't voting on the budget bill. Watch MAGA Republican Senator Rick Scott play this clip. So, Senator, would you say without any changes at its current composition, would you vote no?

Oh, absolutely. I don't know. This bill doesn't have it. If they brought it to the floor right now, there's not a chance it'll get the 51 votes it needs. Now, here is leaked audio from the RNC chair saying that the Republicans voted for the largest tax increase in American history with Trump's budget bill. This came from FactPost that clipped it and Hakimian who noted it. Play this clip.

What we saw was the largest tax increase in the American history that the Republicans had voted for. Every single Democrat voted against it. Here we've got Elon Musk saying, uh-uh, he's not in support of this. Play this clip. So, you know, I was like disappointed to see the massive spending vote, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, not just decrease it. And that reminds the work that the Doge team is doing.

I actually thought that when this big, beautiful bill came along. I mean, like, everything he's done on Doge gets wiped out in the first year. I think a bill can be big or it can be beautiful. But I don't know if it can be both.

My personal opinion. This was a speech from Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida, saying that this is a bad bill that the Republicans in the House and in Congress in general have betrayed the American people. Play this clip. And yet we have a Republican Congress. And to this day, we're in the end of May, past Memorial Day, and not one cent in Doge cuts have been implemented by the Congress.

That's one of the reasons why we need a balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution. It's another reason why we need term limits for members of Congress. But I think what you've seen with how and I kind of said this early on that Doge and Elon were on a collision course with the swamp.

And the question is, what would happen? And I don't think there's any question that Doge fought the swamp. And so far, the swamp has won. And that's just unfortunate. But I don't think you can look at this any other way. More from MAGA Republican Senator Rick Scott, because our audience is like, wait a second, I thought it passed the House. Are you saying that the Senate can change it? And then there's a reconciliation between the House and the Senate? Is that correct?

Yeah. Charlie, we'll change it. We'll have our own bill. And what will happen is it will go back through a conference or I'll just go back to the House and they'll pass our bill. But I believe we're going to dramatically reduce mandatory spending to get this budget balanced in a short period of time, which is what we have to do. Here's Rick Scott again right here. Play this clip. The House bill cuts the spending by less than 2 percent over the next 10 years. It doesn't balance the budget. It isn't even close to balancing the budget.

So there's a whole bunch of us. We are going to fight like hell to balance this budget. Now we're seeing fractures even among MAGA Republicans in the House of Representatives as well who voted for this thing. For example, you've got a MAGA Republican Congress member named Tom Tiffany who

from Wisconsin's 7th, who says he wants to see more cuts to Medicaid. Play this clip. Are you concerned at all that the Senate would look to cut Medicaid even more in a quest to find more savings? I think there's some ways in which they can find more savings. And I think over time, it's going to be important to do that because if we're going to protect and save that program,

for who it's meant to be, which is the vulnerable. It's someone that has a disability, pregnant women, poor people. If we're going to protect that program for who it was meant for, there are more reforms that can be made.

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I know y'all want to go to Disney World, but we can't afford it. I guess I'm going to be that guy, unquote. So how determined are you to be that guy if it actually means telling President Trump you are going to vote against the bill and you're going to try to get other Republican senators to join you unless there are major, major changes?

Well, in 2010, I sprang out of the Tea Party movement, and as I did parades, I would shout, this is a fight for freedom. We are mortgaging our children's future. It's wrong. It's immoral. It has to stop.

I haven't changed. My campaign promise in 2010 and every campaign after that was to stop mortgaging our children's future. It's immoral, it's wrong, it has to stop. And so he may not be worried about that. I am extremely worried about that. That is my primary goal running for Congress. This is our moment. We've witnessed an unprecedented level of increased spending, 58% since 2019, other than World War II.

This is our only chance to reset that to a reasonable pre-pandemic level spending. And again, I think you can do it and the spending that we would eliminate, people wouldn't even notice, but you have to do the work, which takes time. MAGA Republican Senator Rand Paul saying he ain't supporting this. Spending. Somebody has to stand up and yell, the emperor has no clothes.

And everybody's falling in lockstep on this. Pass the big, beautiful bill. Don't question anything. Well, conservatives do need to stand up and have their voice heard. This is a problem we've been facing for decades now. And if we don't stand up on it, I really fear the direction the country is going. The senator or excuse me, the speaker. And here he explains one of the reasons why he says it's going to add trillions.

to the deficit. And he goes, just look, the budget bill itself calls for raising the debt ceiling by $4 trillion over the next two years. They're going to run $2 trillion deficits per year. I think it's going to be more. Play this clip. Biden's spending levels. When March, every Republican, virtually every Republican other than me, voted to continue the Biden spending levels, which are going to give us a $2.2 trillion deficit.

Now, if you increase the debt ceiling $4 to $5 trillion, that means they're planning on $2 trillion this year and more than $2 trillion next year. That's just not conservative. So I've told them if they strip out the debt ceiling, I'll consider, even with the imperfections, voting for the rest of the bill. But I can't vote to raise the debt ceiling $5 trillion. There's got to be someone left in Washington who thinks debt is wrong and deficits are wrong and wants to go in the other direction. The idea that we're going to explode deficits...

And the projections are now looking at over $3 trillion in deficits over the next 10 years. I think it's just, you know, not a serious proposal. You know who's also against the budget bill in its current form? MAGA Republican Senator Josh Hawley. Play this clip. So if this bill comes over from the House and the Senate and you have to vote on it, do you know if this bill does not change?

Yeah, well, I'm not going to support this bill from the House in this form. I think that's clear. It's got to change before it can pass the Senate. And I continue to stand by my line in the sand, which is no Medicaid benefit cuts. Listen, if you want to do work requirements, I'm all for that. I bet every Republican and I bet most Americans would agree with that. But we're not talking here about just work requirements. The House goes much, much, much further than that.

This is real Medicaid benefit cuts. I can't support that. No Republican should support that. We're the party of the working class, Mono. We need to act like it. MAGA Republican Senator Kevin Cramer played the clip. It's rich coming from a freedom practice that's supposed to be fiscal conservatives and end up with not that conservative of a bill to elect us. What we're going to do is we're going to pass a bill that can get 50 votes and whatever other numbers...

come along with that magic number is 50. In other words, they're both going to actually pass the bill. MAGA Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, play the clip. Some of the Freedom Caucus members are warning you guys not to water down any of their cuts. What do you say to them? You had your chance. There's some of these cuts are not real. And we're talking about over a decade, you know, if you do a trillion and a half,

That's like a percent and a half. So let's don't get high on our horse here that we've somehow made some major advancement of reducing spending because we didn't. And one of the things that MAGA Mike Johnson has done here as well is he's highlighted the cruelty of the GOP platform, right? He's showing that they want to cut food assistance, SNAP,

supplemental nutrition assistance program, cut rental assistance programs to people. If you're making between zero and 50,000 or 51,000, you literally just on day one, $1,000 gets taken from you and gets given to people who make more than $4.3 million, who will be saving an extra $370,000. The billionaires are going to get literally trillions of dollars

in tax cuts right here and Medicaid and Medicare is cut. But here's what MAGA Mike Johnson had to say about cutting SNAP in his own congressional district. Here, playing this clip. - We don't want to slash benefits. And again, I make this very clear. We are not cutting Medicaid. We are not cutting SNAP. We're working in the elements of fraud, waste and abuse. SNAP, for example, listen to the statistics. In 2024, over $11 billion in SNAP payments were erroneous.

I mean, that's a number that everyone acknowledges is real. It may be much higher than that. - Louisiana is like the second largest recipient of food stamps in the country, sir. - Let me explain it, Margaret. Let me explain it. The states are not properly administering this 'cause they don't have enough skin in the game. So what we've done in the bill is add some,

just a modest state sharing component so that they'll pay attention to that so that we can reduce fraud. Why? Again, so that it is preserved for the people that need it the most. This is common sense, Margaret. It's good government and everybody on both sides of the aisle should agree to that. Well, Senator Hall. There you have it. I've got the receipts. We're going to see. Here's my prediction.

We had they're not going to pass anything. We're going to head right up to an issue where they got to raise the debt ceiling and we're going to have an issue of a potential government shutdown. Everybody's going to scramble and panic. And that's just how the GOP does business. Like Trump, the bankrupt or the felon, the sexual abuser, the criminal abuser.

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