Yes, You Can Make a Difference: This Remarkable Story Will Inspire You to Do Something Big
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Hey, it's your friend mell, and welcome to the mall Robin's podcast. So the other day I was listening to one of my favorite podcast, and I heard the most incredible, like crazy story. And i'm like, I have got to talk to this guy with you.

I mean, we got to get him on the podcast, and he is here today. I cannot wait to introduce you to lyn zo Lewis. He is a guy who, against all odds, turned his own life around and then came up with this wildly creative and innovative way to deliver free mental health services.

Two millions of people who otherwise might not receive the support that they deserve. Way to hear Lorenzo Lewis, his life story. IT is so incredible. The odds were stacked against him since the day he was born. His mother gave birth to him in jail.

His father died in prison when the renzo was only ten years old as a child, he acted out, he was labeled the problem and struggled with anger and anxiety and depression. But of course, you know, he's never told that all of these feelings had a name. He was never told about the trauma that he experienced.

And despite all these aod ds Lorenzo turned his life around. He graduated from college and became a mental health advocate for the department of health and human services. Now IT was there, working in a hospital that he noticed this major disconnect between the therapies, the psychiatrist st. The mental health professionals and all the patients in the hospital that they were trying to help.

As Lorenzo puts IT, only four percent of therapies and licensed mental health professionals are black, and this creates a major gap in representation because the therapies don't have relevant life experience, plus there is a stigma around mental health in the black communities causing this sense of shame and a lack of trust that makes IT difficult for people to open up to therapies. And this gap and this distrust, is not just in black communities. According to recent studies, forty seven percent of us still believe that seeking therapy or help for mental health issues is a sign of weakness.

We know it's not, but that's what a lot of people think. And sixty percent of us, when we do see, called for mental health issues cording to research. We don't fully trust the person we're getting the help from.

Now Lorenza wanted to do something about this, and this man is used to beat the odds. So he was not discouraged. He was on a mission with his wife support. He quit his job, and he decided to pursue a breakthrough idea.

Now, what if I told you this mental health revolution all started with your air dresser? The confess project was born, and IT trains, barbers and beauticians to be mental health advocates for the men, women and children who are sitting in their chairs. Cool is that Lorenz's nonprofit has trained over three thousand barbers and beautiful to become mental health advocates.

They now reach over three million people a year. Now, the reason why I wanted you to hear this remarkable story is because I knew I would inspire you to think again about the difference you control make. As you'll listen, I want you to consider Lorenz's not a psychiatrist, therapist y doesn't have a medical degree, and nobody gave him permission or ask them to do this.

He to solve problem, and he wanted to solve IT, so he answered the call. And that's all you need to do. If you want to make a difference in your family or community or the world at large, get ready to be inspired. Please help me welcome Lorenzo Lewis, the founder of the confess project, to the male Robin's foward cast. Lorenzo IT is so fabulous to .

have you here. So glad. Thanks again. awesome.

What's an honor for us? Why do we start with the basics? What is your mission with the confessed project?

So the confess project is a nonprofit organza that supports barbers and style is to be mital health advocates. Uh, we've tried over three thousand barbers and styles across fifty two cities and thirty five states on this model that allows them to be great listeners to support their clients and also to support their communities. Um this model is ongoing and continually um growing in regards of a mental of advocacy and how they are able to provide value to their um first and neighbor's and their um really assuring that signals reduced and their people are having a best quality of life to they deserve.

Um do you remember the moment when you came up with the idea for the confess project?

I remember in particular game ma as a gree I was aesthetic um because I really beat of you know you talking about a kid who have been formally incarcerated that didn't live his mother father born to born, jail to incarcerated mother losing his father age teen um stand with relative that Norma experiments will um be in a part of games you know when I graduate college was IT was one of onic feelings because I didn't imagine me leaving to see t alone or rather that down I would be a jail 嗯 and being that I made to the moment um I also there just deeper calling 的 时候， grappa was how could I really show a more than what I have been able to accomplish for sale? And so I made up for him that was in the not profit space and they gave me encouragement to really share my story, and I really do deep and start to explore what they will look like.

Um you talking about someone who had never done public speaking in no one who had really have a done any kind of community organizing in kind of civil aged work. Um I have no idea who what is that really mean? Uh, I was just grateful to not be there to be a how .

old are you?

Yeah, my day I was twenty, maybe twenty four, twenty five have been right on college. No, no more the most.

I think this is a really important pant of your story, lonzo, and it's one of the reasons why I track you down.

I said we have to get this man on on the male abb's podcast because your story, to me, is an example that no matter who you are, what background you have, what education you have or you don't have, what family is support, what draw, ma, any of IT, that anyone, including you listening to us, can make a decision that you're going to either leave your community, your family, the world around you, a little bit Better place. And so here you are. We're going to get into your story in just a minute.

But here you are. You have beaten in the odds you have graduated from college. You have met somebody in the nonprofit space, and they're encouraging you to share your story about how you were able to graduate from college, how you were able to overcome the odds that we're stacked against you. And in this moment where somebody is basically saying that you do, you've got a lot that you can share with people IT hits you that you want to do more. And so how did you connect the dots between barbers and mental health?

Really good question and I have a really good answer. Um what I grew up, my aunt who took me in as a Young, I was much oh when my mother was a cost after her birth and I was one step between going to the fossil red system and um is that they drew Wilson from little rock archa to new new jersey to ensure that I did not go in the system faster and um my ice also was a beautiful um so as you can imagine growing up um I want to the beauty shop every day and there was just a part of life the time I was uh you know able to go to school, I want I get off school bus.

I wanted a beautiful t that's what I be my hard work that were IT was a meda time we had dinner, a beauty shop because that's where he was working late. Um so h you know, this is where he was a huge thought of my life every day. Um but I was also a mt.

Touter, a good named that this was only barbers, about five Operated, so out of four was women. And he was the one bill barber did. I also found is my first metals. And, you know, again, just going on every day, he was a set of family. And the village in our community, they're really supports one another. And this is really where I recognize the power of building barber shops be a Young key and so that in itself really gave the inspiration uh, for the confused project today uh, because of you know going everyday and it's just seeing the empowers hearing stories of people overcoming whether they was facing mobile relationship or something going on with their family member out away from people graduate in college. Children go on, you know first day of school, you know everything you could imagine we heard IT we was a part of the turning and some away because those conversations share every day um so that's really how the the work really blossomed me finding the mental show two those in powering stories and really watching my aunt and those stylists and barbers live people in everyday people that was just trying to make you you know .

what else is cool about this? Is that this is your lived personal experience. And so just so everybody's following the story. When you were born, your mother was in jail and your dad was also incarcerated. And so the options for you, and I don't know if you know this about me, but I was a legal aid tourney a in new york city working for legal aid, doing criminal defense work. The other options are basically Foster care unless a family member steps up.

And so you're ann steps up, SHE drives up from arkansaw, SHE picks you up in york and SHE brings you back and SHE happens to be an entrepreneur who is working as a petition in a black owned beauty and barbershop. And can you also explain for people listening, either in the united states or in one hundred and ninety four countries where the show is syndicated, how important a black owned barber and beauty shop is in the black community? When you think about IT from a historical, a cultural perspective, that it's not only your lived experience, but for many communities, black owned Barbara shops and beauty shops also have ben, a gathering place. Ben, where people organized for civil rights. So can you talk a little bit about how your personal experience also duv tails, with the lived experience of so many black americans?

Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, you say me as a black barber, shops and salons really wasn't golf. You know in a civil rise era we think about you know a mild brothers and we think about you know the W C.

P. Organizing for voters rights. All of those um interesting played a role in barber shop. We will also think about as far back is uh barbers were saying as doctors and um you know as caretakers and our communities um is even further back is just thinking about um the the work been done and economically in barbershop so one of the few places that the um folks can gain generals by only the um so I think about like my aunt you know and for years her have and her beauty show you know what that was able to uh afford in in our life and they also build a beautiful dot in the back of our house as well so I was I have we were going at home in a way so you can imagine IT was a face and breakfast.

But also smelling the the the the the films of chemical ics from here yeah so was IT was IT was IT was a part of our life and this was very common is that people would even have this at home and they would also, you know that was just a huge part of how our lifestyles looked and so um but all the way up to now, it's recognize as a is a hope for lifestyle. Um just thinking about um Young people going to the same barber or Young ladies in the saying style is for years um from the age of five twenty, you know depending on not to different cages and lives. So is this a huge part of you know our lifestyle um professional lifestyle, some of the ways but only plays outside of church where you have homeless neighbors and precipice and entrepreneurs s in the same place um imagine classes they can gather in one place on at the same time and that's very common in many places of the weekend here in society. So it's .

it's an important piece to why think the the confess project has is not only such a genius idea, but that IT is making such an extraordinary difference. I want to go back a little bit though, because your mission, Lorenzo, is to really provide access to mental health services and support to communities where there is not a lot of access, only four percent of therapists that are trained in licensed black.

And you are also not only trying to close this accessibility gap, but you're also trying to close or I should probably say, open up phone ability in communities and with people who feel like therapy is a weakness. And so I would love to go back to your story, but I want to take a quick pause. We need to hear a word from our sponsors who allow us to bring this amazing content to for freeze. Let's take a listen. And when we come back, we've got more from Lorenzo and the confess project when we return and stay with us.

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Welcome back. I melt Robins.

and i'm here with Lorenzo Lewis and we're hearing the remarkable story about how he came up with the idea for the confess project and how they're reaching over three million people a year with three mental health services. Sol renzo, I would love to go back to your story a little bit because, you know, here you are. You're being raised by your ant.

You are going to her store and to her home, which is now your home every day after school. And IT wasn't until a little bit later in life that you realized that you were struggling with depression and anxiety and anger. Can you talk a little bit about what you were feeling and kind of not knowing the words depression, anxiety, anger? Like what was IT like for you, Lorenzo, to be a kid and to lose your dad at ten and to not have your mom around, and to experience the racism and bias that you experienced in your life so that you can describe for people who may not have considered that anxiety. So tell us a little bit about what I was like for you.

I knew in some ways, many ways that I had a really good idea. I really do um I believe my own and not of a really good job of ensuring that in so many ways that are you know was able to have the support that I needed but beyond that I knew that there was something not really right for the most thought around the how did you feel um .

lost um a lot of .

time very angry um and the reality of the world maybe I blame IT I don't like this teacher school i'm not going along with friends in the neighborhood but the reality of the world I didn't feel seen in her because the truth of matter I didn't know my mother, father around and I didn't you share their love and you recommend with them so I didn't feel really seen and heard and I didn't feel that I have been left out and you know and so I think so many ways I was struggling emotionally from those chAllenges and from those, you know the exact if they came with that, you know, do they love me, uh you know, did I did I did I do something wrong? Is there a reason that they're not here? Did I have how to do 我的？ Are these are account of questions that go on and a Young person's here, when there, you know what is, specially when everything is that truly and explain because, you know, think one thing as adult, we won't ensure that you know, our children have a great life. But I think giving them more or of the stories sometimes may even hurt them to tell you the real story. And so I think in so many ways, you know, that was kind of my reality, but the reality behind that is that I, you know, really struggling mostly, and IT really showed up in in school, you know, was in a behavior here facility to age of ten.

What IT explain that to people who have not worked in criminal justice like I have so as behavioral health facility .

mean yes so I want to um you know have some chAllenges in school and you know have been kicked out a few times. I think I was more great point so you know could clear so he was, hey, you know, this is my make's option.

Can I just say something? When you have kids that go undiagnosed with depression and anxiety and who feel invisible, of course there will be behavioral actions. And IT makes me very angry and sad.

Lorenz, how many kids are getting disciplined because they, quote, can't behave when the real issue is there are mental health chAllenges that the child is facing, or they are learning style differences that the child has that are not recognized and addressed by the capable adults around them? yes. And so IT just makes me angry to hear that a third greater is being kicked out of school because of behavioral issues.

So here you are. You're getting kicked out of school. You're having behavioral issues because you can't understand or tolerate this like just sword of a emotion that you're feeling. And you end up in this behavior oral health facility. What was that like?

Yeah you know IT was I was a way for about a too much um they did allows us to go home on weekends. There was mostly structure there to do school a day. IT was very um IT was a very dark place to be at as a Young key um someone that had never been away from home for little little time um um I just lost my dad and really that was my way I was really angry and I see from the last of him so that really swirled into chAllenges at school would leave me there. And I think that's the one thing that we have to recognize in societies that when someone is going through grief in those different chAllenges, that they can look differently, can manius into mental house chAllenges.

Well, that's grief. I mean, like what you're talking about is that what came up on the surface was anger, but what you were actually dealing with was the profound grief and loss and sadness. And if you already felt lost in life and wondered if people cared about you, and wondered where you belong to have your dad and die, that only just kicks SAT and high gear.

And so IT doesn't surprise me that IT comes out as anger. And I think that's what happens. A lot of time with men in particular, is you guys get sad, and you guys experience loss or disappointment and or bias or discrimination, and you shut IT down.

And what happens when you shut all that down is at a volcano or rubs. And that's what you're describing. And so, you know, a kid that needed grief counseling ends up acting out at school and then get sent somewhere for behavioral health, which is just, again, pointing to how we fail people so much when IT comes to chAllenges that we face emotionally and mentally.

Did you is that when you learn that I might be anxiety or depressions? Or did they just sort of calm you down and send you back school? I think .

I understood, and more as this was a good way, because my dad and pair, that was just in my reality, there was a get away from home to really process the loss of helm. And I think everything right. So you know moving past the point going back to school, um IT was also a sense of shame, a test to where I had been.

You know I think this is where six of mental heal really shows up because here I am going back to school, I go whether you been, I can see you to well, and is like, yeah, you know, i've been to this place right out, you know, and trying to make you more cool than no one. IT wasn't cool because not want to be shame. And I think that OK that very common is h you know we think about mental hell and have these conversations is because that how IT actually looks where, you know, we we don't really empower the situation lessons. So yeah, I was kind of this place and I was different than what i'm really described. But really i'm described different because i'm so I spares that early on in life, which really also I think can be a part of our live experience because that becomes dormant to knowing how we navigate um you emotional chAllenges.

So that's right because if you are surrounded by either a family or a community or an entire culture where there is shame or judgment for getting help, or you know, it's weak if you are struggling emotionally or mentally like, I always find IT interesting that, for example, if you're in financial stress, like you can't pay your fricking bills, i've been in that place where cannot I can't put groceries on the table.

I'm sit there you with the check card and my dear guard, please let there be a computer failure and let this go through because I know there's no money in this account, but maybe, maybe else like that in your work. And worrying about real financial stress is a form of an anxiety feeling. Shame that you can't pay your bills can lead to depression.

And so these very real experiences that people have lead to mental health chAllenges that make IT worse and make IT harder for you to face IT. But so you come back from this and you continue with school, and then you have one more incident, right? That really was a wake up call for you. Can you describe what happen?

yes. So, you know, later I will say, fast forward to, you know, being seventeen years old, I have move past that point, you know, of gone to IT. I kind of, what do my honeymoon? Od, after post being a behavior for city?

You know, I didn't. I find myself just again, and they lead to, you know, may be incarcerated there due to a five. One of the things that I really want to sound lighting is IT.

Wasn't me joining a game and being charged with the fireing? That really is. Oh, but I want to really also a contest, the laws again, the mental health chAllenges and the not being, you know, is this a call? I after problem to say a childhood does not feel warm from the village were burned IT down.

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and I was a child that did not feel loved and sing. So everything moving forward was to be a dictionary, not knowing that really what I was caused. But however, IT was a lash out on self as a, hey, i'm going to, you know, put my around these kind of people and put this kind of risk is something that I internalized. They also dem manifest to uh be important the legal system.

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Welcome back, I ml Robins.

I'm here with Lorenza Lewis. He is the founder of the confessed project, is nonprofit, has trained over three thousand barbers and putin to become mental health advocates. They now serve over three hundred people a year who sit in the chairs and these barber shops and these beauty salons.

And the renzo, your story is incredible. You were born in a prison to an incarcerated mother. Your and uncle raised you until you're seventeen years old.

And here you are. Or at the part of the story, or at the age of seventeen, you're in a gang. You're facing jail time for a possession of a weapon your and uncle they must have beside themselves with you.

Yeah, IT was very serious to say, at least for sure I was very.

because he does not seem like the kind of woman that would play around.

I what i'm saying and honestly know they really did a really good job of stealing mls. And and these principles that think that allow me to become the person that I am today to really sir you know um and obviously show in the community where I do because they really stood on great things. But I think myself, knowing the chAllenges that I went through ve heard today. Pad, yeah well I .

think what happens, Lorenzo, and I don't know if this is true for you, so I would love to hear your thoughts on this, is that you were clearly in an environment in that Barbara shop with your ant in particular, very tired to your values. And when sorrow and despair and feel, and lonely and invisible and all that grief hits, IT can create a barrier between you and your ability to connect to those values and ground yourself.

There you become lost in the swirl of emotion and anger. And the proverb that you said that when a child doesn't feel warmed by the village, they'll burn IT down. That's why anger rises to the surface when people feel isolated and unseen and when they're struggling. And so IT doesn't surprise me that, first of all, mental health chAllenges are what LED you to losing your way, but that ultimately, when you started to address the mental health chAllenges, you found yourself easily connecting back with those values.

And so you know, how did you turn IT around? What was IT? Was there a moment when you were incarcerated in your seventeen years old? Or you're like, I got to to turn the shit around like like this is i'm either going down like there are folks in the road in your life for you don't realize IT in the moment, but you make one decision and IT changes the rest of your life. So is there a moment where you had an epiphany? Y as you're in this low place that you're gotta do something different, like what happened?

Yeah so you know, I will never forget we coming up to court and, you know, you just made a lot of the keys and there was a lot of them. We have been repeat vender the'd been in now, and we was found now. You know, call, was that more? And I was like, who was and IT was this one particular jewels that everyone was just like, you you get this jews.

Like, they are onna lock you long ger, you be her. So I was not everything I could praying like what I want to serve, judge what I so happening. I just, there was, you know, very much jobs in the work I think other Young people was saying while I was in there, but saying I was the same that weekend, as I said in there, and I was getting ready for court.

IT just killed rubbing in my head. This was the same place that I was born. And this is what my father was. And I just remember feeling is so hurt, so low, so empty. And I just, I remember saying, if I could get out of this, I don't even this again teen years old and before um and I supposed to be enjoined um but I should be in a school at this time um so I do what are gone and you know following around people and so uh when I got to court the monday, you know I was given a sick chance um in a lot of work because of my and now I think completing with the court to give me another chance because I never been an approach to know situation I remember promise to do is that if if he could give me another chance that I would go to college, that I would he would never have to worry about finding in the system again and I killed my word and I look back today and I sub IT out, you know how we say IT out. You know uh I never want to do is to be apart of to have to go to the smile room ever again and i'm spent any time and so you know I think I was IT was just a collective of just hating where I was and money having way I felt um but also being scared to note that could spending more time there if I didn't figure out how to get out of this situation or we will contain um and so that just let me you know to want to just change everything um and so yeah that was you know there was determined point for me um you know that time that I spent you know you I was just really there was this really I open and I I didn't really enjoy IT my hate um and I was just you know I think I just uh this was so focused on wanted to be much Better than I was um and I did you go back again to just the values in my own and ac of willing and steel and me grow and up you know despite my chAllenge es I went through um no one um I could really create a live built for myself regardless where he came from. So well.

I think it's so pointing ant, what you said about the fact that you are reflecting on this is where I was born and this is not where I end up and my father's story is not going to be my story. And IT certainly isn't. Because you went from that courtroom back to high school, he graduated.

You never looked back. You then went to arkansas, bp, his college. And what did you study there?

Human service.

And for people that don't know what that means, what is human services?

Yeah so as most legal uh I take IT a Better broader terms is supporting the quality life and will be a people uh whether that through your econometri C2Civil soc ial um pra ctices um of lif e of liv ing peo ple. So the the work did I do? I was to write as supporting, you know, people to getting access to mental health services. Um is A I take a clear example of what I want to artist m that is but I can also be as well as for you know supporting you know Young people that you know um are there maybe a risk of going to to the criminal just system? Um so those just visits, just pure examples.

Okay, so you graduate and what was IT like to graduate? You, I did. I'm going to take this photo and send them to that judge and teller. I kept my word um .

IT was a IT was an illuminate experience you know, again, this one of can't believe I believe we made IT you know can't believe I made IT so IT was and you know, again, the people that I grew up around, the folks that I have with school would you know most of the people just in army community in itself, you know, IT was just one of more things you know, IT was, you know, if I could be an alley and go to the streets kind of drives and never make you make 那 make IT all and I maybe did。 And so you know, it's just only a few options and obviously I I wasn't have lead.

So I you know and if they do, the two options just wasn't favorable. Oh, so I did everything I could to know go to college. I really work hard to so sure that I can view my way out of that, you know. And so i'm glad I was, you know that a favorable road to work tours, no graduating into this point so well.

Thank god you did because your organization is now helping over three million people a year in terms of mental health advocate. And so let's talk about the fact that right after college you went worked with the department of human services and you i'm outlying your star, renzo, because again, you are an example of somebody who made a decision, who reconnected with his values, who leaned into the struggle, who allowed himself to be vulnerable, and you turned your whole life around. And now you're taking all of this, and you've turned IT into this incredible, incredible organization.

The, you know, the confess project where you're helping millions of people and your story and life is an example to all love us, that if there is some change you want to make in your life, IT is possible to do IT. And if you are willing to serve others, you will be blown away by the difference that you can make. And so your couple years into your career, you're working at the department of health and human services, and you start to notice that your colleagues who were working with, you know, youth and who are working with people that needed help, kept saying, I wish I could reach them.

I wish I could get through of these kids. I wish I could like help. I wish I could do this. And they kept saying, i'm just not getting through the therapist, the train professionals, the psychologists that were in the system at the department of human services. This is what inspired red you to do something about IT. So can you talk to us about the actual inspiration that you had that made you go, aha, the therapist, psychologists don't get IT, but I do. And this is .

what i'm anna do. You know IT was kind of conversation that I had working with, you know, different patients there was coming in out the hospital of the time. I mostly worked in a hospital sitting for the most part. So you know IT was there from seven, fourteen, they say, uh, but every day I interacted with votes from all different walks in life, whether they was someone that was come down, this was the system, to a teacher, to an attorney, penon. Wherever they may have been in life, you know, they was going to some kind of the emotional chAllenge that they was there, good treatment.

So are you working in like an impatient word for a hospital that was providing mental health services? For somebody who has you break down? yes.

So in other words, Lorenzo, you are a human being with Angel wings on your back that was caring for people in a really low place. And so he's like, okay, he's sitting there. Just imagine this, everybody.

He's sitting there, this angle, wings on his back and his college e tucked into his arms and he's here to. And he's got people of all walks of life coming into this hospital system and arkansas. And you started to notice something. What did you notice .

um that everybody was really humid first four month. That people, no matter where they had accomplish, where they was planning, hating, that we all could face chAllenges. But I also think one of the things they really stood out of, that everyone had a unique story and situation that set them apart. But even as you began to kit across unity, people of color IT even became more interest resting to how they were really being supported um in the system date at working.

meaning they were not being supported .

not being supported that um a lot of IT was a lot of the patients would be whatever got return folks, they would come back to a lot of I always is this point is you know I just I didn't think like there was a lot of purpose in the one reason that I really resonated because I have been to a similar place so I I knew what I can tail um the sentiments and emotions they they share because .

I have been there as a key and learn .

what were some of those emotions the key things that are resonated with the date was not um not really feeling on IT um and I believe not really feeling um not feeling really included that there was more the most in na fine included IT because there was people I didn't look like you and this gets to .

the point of like IT IT is hard to get through to somebody who's struggling when you have no freking clue what they are lived experiences because you are a different race or a different social economic class. And it's easier to get through to somebody when you have a lived experience that you can authentically connect with.

And so what you're highlighting here in your experience learn so as you are seeing the impact that IT has on the black patient population when only four percent of trained in licensed mental health professionals are black, that if you don't see yourself represented by the very people that are trying to help you, how on earth could the people that are trying to help you get Better understand what the fuck you're going through? And and so that's what you started to see day in and day out. That's what you felt.

Yeah I believe a lot of time when we don't trust people that most of time with this people that we can we feel like they don't know resonate what our life experienced, they may not look like who we are come from, what we are that can create a barrier to access the middle alth services in general. Uh, but I think is even a step further win. Sometimes the compassion and the just, uh, humanity is not present in regards of how we connect with people, about how they feel. And so I clicked that, you know, deck in itself can create, destroy. Also, I historically, you know there just, you know that many chAllenges in, you know, communities of color and how we not trust, you know why medical providers of we made natural people would note that is an authority writing so these things can really pray uh, a latter of distress for people give services, get to help that they need because some of them is time to you know um you know heard in english that has been you know kind of bAllen over years to come.

So I want to bring this saying that I learned from my really good friend, ed el. I've just love this because I think that this is what your life demonstrates. Ed told me now you are best equipped to help the person you use to be, which means we are all equipped to help someone.

And what you saw in your mid twice, and this is why I admire you so much. You saw in your mid twenties a problem. You saw people that you use to be struggling and not enough people in the leadership and the therapy positions actually in an ability to serve them at a deep level because they did not look like these folks, they did not relate to the experiences they were struggling with.

They did not understand that racism creates complex P. T, S. D. They didn't get any of IT. And so you decided to do something about IT.

And for you listening to Lorenzo and I today, I so wanted you to hear Lorenzo story because we all sit around and think like, I don't have a degree. I don't like, I need somebody's permission. I'm not qualified to do that.

And what Lorenzo is doing by training barbers and beauticians to be mental health advocates and support from the chair up in the communities, reaching millions and millions of people every year, is he is basically proving that excuses complete bullshit. I am not a license therion. And yet, this is probably one of the biggest podcast that talks about mental health issues on the planet.

You are the best equipped to help the person you used to be. How did you go? Okay, I got you.

I got to do something. I got IT barber shops. How did you go?

I'm gna train barbers and beauticians all across the country to learn how to spot mental health chAllenges. I'm going to learn. I'm going to train them to be advocates. What the hell gave you this idea or so?

Well, honestly you know consider that you know conversation about you know my working in the system. Um I really started at first is um I did my first meeting event of black church after and IT was a blast. Um I never organized an event. I I think we had seven hundred people was like a back to school and we set IT around and this brought lot of community leaders out IT was great, was later from dead. I did a couple of other like town hall events and I was like, okay, this is interesting um and I really was able to go out and get support.

But one of the things that lay me to something that obviously not and that we do quite a bit as we find rates to do this work is i'm going until the moster in which IT is what? Why is this important? And and I was able to gone a lot of support, even just family, and and I really counts of a court to say that I think i'm on us up, right? And as I begin to do that, some of those events, when we started to get more specific about we want to reach me, a lot of man would come out, we would hold to make local libraries. And we would like, you know, use some kind of multi propose vent room and no million shower.

All the women who wants their men to get mental health will show up. yes. Now now talk to everybody about why men are not showing up because this is where there's the accessibility peace, which is the access to licensed and trained people.

That is what you're trying to solve by training people that are barbers and petitions first to be mental health advocates. But then there's this vulnerability piece where admitting that you've got some sort of mental health chAllenge, red, admitting that you might need help or even thinking about IT makes you weak. And so talk a little bit about how big of a chAllenge this is, because this is really the heart of your mission. You are really trying to reach many and boys, first and foremost, in the black community with the confess project.

Well, I wanted huge chAllenges. Is, is, is, honestly, is manhood, I think, is just the ideology of manhood to each man can look different. But I will save across the lines is complex and is very similar complexity across lines, across all mean.

And you know, you get down to talk about black me, and you consider a race and those economic class, and you know, you get a cool grand chAllenge around how many view themselves and how they already can be vulnerable. Um and so because you know being strong again most of the time ground with mothers, no others in a home and just if they those can in itself can be some clear to risk. They can make IT very chAllenging. I think you need to go beyond that. Just started.

Think about what media display? Yes, what what happens? You know, what is hip hop artist display? How does the songs? And know that the people that we follow, how do you know that? So grateful for people like sholom in the garden, different folks who have came at made metal hilt a champion opportunity um because they just didn't really exist when I was coming up as much as a Young great man he just didn't and you know glad to see that that's obviously you know i'm looking to encourage more than to to thinking about how this is important because of the work do we do um but doesn't be part of IT.

I believe one of the hugest chAllenges is the cultural connection behind not to hold in DNA goes to the accessibility of mental of service. And so in in real terms, culturally, our community has not been condition to understand the mental hill is equal, as important as is your feasible hill or your financial hill. Even your well being like we ve disconnected in most ways, and I mental hill is separate from anything else what is actually a huge part of who we are everyday.

And so I believe that one of the huge is decline and I believe that's a cultural charge because um our leaders as our our medical system is not the only one who surely responsible for this. I believe this is something that goes across our public and civic leaders, church and more people should should be encouraging that mental hill is truly a part of who we are everyday. Um so um in in a big death that problem will be my problem, my growth.

But so renzo, what is your definition of vulnerability and what does that look like to be vulnerable in your everyday life?

I think at the coral this uh what I do know the core of vulnerability has really been totally transparent, but also recognized to be transparent about you're still evolving in your journey of vulnerable as well. And I think IT helps to show that to your child or Young people, people ever, you actually interface because we are all still a work in progress when he comes to being fully transparent and most of because, you know, culture, we just, we just having been programmed to believe that being open is really being a the new six is right. If so, I think that, you know, but model, this is bad, really been an authenticity, really recognized that you are still learning and grow and to this as well and that while doing so um you know we're just we're taking a step further to ultimately to reach um you know they brought a staircase of success around vulnerability and I I think that is just but really happy to share those notes along the journey um is really going to be helpful as well and and that's one thing. Would the confess project where focus on how do we um IT raised barriers to signal shame completely um and I think IT starts by using you know culturing is going to um you don't have vulnerable I think is a huge sponde you know .

I read that for every thousand barbers and beauticians that go through your four step training process in terms of the skills you're teaching them to be mental althora, you're reaching a million people that's incredible. You're reaching three million people a year by training barbers and beauticians to be mental health advocates as they are listening to their clients who are sitting in the chair. yes. And what does the training look like? There are four parts to IT, and I would love free to explain IT, because these four parts are things that we can all learn how to do for people in our lives.

absolutely. So the four past is training, is active listening, validation, positive communication and stay reduction. IT is a four point formula that I like to call IT. The um there are beautiful use some a lot of their beauty sessions with their piece and in patients uh but IT is we utils IT in an advocacy um space is in regards of how barbers and styles can help their clients by use using the tools after coding here.

Um so is you know perfect ample is a conversation that they have in what decline every every week about how is life going on is work going um but they can lean in and use these skills that decline is going through a chAllenge at home or work um in here, able to listen Better. They able to you communicate in a positive way, able to reduce sigma made up live a mental health and embracing more to live to say, you know hey, you shouldn't wear about that hey just pray bad is gonna OK and really be able to use these fields as a promote of way, a promotion of promoting a healthy mental emotional um journey in their mental ills. Journey particularly so is really a um always like to say is the perfect way of being a grooming, make someone feel good on outside, in the inside .

oh I love that. I absolutely love .

that with these barbers and provided the trying to support um is really empowered them them individually, probably just as much the hair empowered their clients. And I think that something is very important because as we epower them to be the best. So we really helps to connick with the broad audience in the community, because as well, departments of the actual trying of the, if we can reach someone, you reach them, that they can reach all the people, and those people can reach even more people in their household and their own music IT can really become a river effect and so um I feel like dad in itself has been has been an impact.

Let's just say somebody comes in, I pumped down in the chair and you're my barber and i'm having a hard day. What do you do is the barber that is part of the confess .

project so you know can lead is, hey, you know um I noticed that today is going hard, man. And I know you know we you know was going on on has everything you know, how can I be supportive in this in this moment? You know you are actively listening to their feedback that they may have given you um you're also showing that you can um communicate in a positive, but you also even this boat few words you you're even start to validation.

So maybe that nick was is the man I have in a hard time to work going about to lose my job. And anima buse, and you know, I can even go to, you know, I understand that you're going to this and you know i'm which you hear in this moment. You know i'm i'm compassion.

We also provide the barbers with resources in regards to panic support, individuals that may need housing um they may need you know um side of the health care. So outside of the training that we offer um there also we provide a resource directory to each barber s shop um to be able to help people with whether an employ, whether general resources, whether pay no, because we recognize that mental health can be impacted by people's daily walk. And oh.

of course, like I was just thinking about that example, i'm about to lose my job. That's a situation that causes anxiety. And if you start to spiral in your head, you're not gone to be able to problem solve and to get ahead of IT and to be proactive, you're going to get trapped in your thoughts. You're gonna feel ashamed.

And one of the things that I found as we were preparing for this interview is that we pulled our audience of more than five million people um and I was really sadly not surprised that roughly one out of every five people that responded to some questions that we put up on instagram said there was no one not one person that they felt like they could go to and when we ask them to name larenz the quality of the person that they could talk to the the same work kept coming up over and over and over again non judgmental, non judgmental. And I think when you think about training your barber, your your here styles your in these skills of active listening, of validating, of leaning in, of asking questions, what's going on? How can I help you? You, it's Normal to struggle.

But you know, you can't let the worry get you down. You might want to call this number and get some help so that like when you train somebody just to do those small things, you're training people to help in a non judgmental way. And I think one of the reasons why we confess so much to our to our hair dressers, I mean, I know I do as he knows more about me, that my therapies, for crying out, that is because I just kind of feel like it's not gonna anywhere and that she's not judging me.

And that's what you've found too. In fact, the confess project has participated in this big study at harvard medical school. Can you tell everybody a little bit about that study and what you found by training and amplifying this incredible group of barbers and petitions to be mental health advocates?

yes. So there was started two barbers who participated across eight states in the harvard reserve study and lasted for about, you know, eight to nine much IT was very interest to know bb barbers was honest, sly, over excited. Um IT was started as not as exciting because, you know, you have a large trade company want to talk to people about metal.

I relatively say that IT was IT was an exciting opportunity. One of thing that we really recognize early um as the study became about and even as is now publish. Reasonable we've been published in an international journal um to um really show the the great work that happened. But barbers um are shown to be middle alth and social prevention gatekeepers 哇哦 and also can be an a to um help decrease in a personal community。 Violence is well but also something we saw the research of day women barbers and styles are just as instrumental because they are a great connection to children .

and their mental .

and is even to say as well the study reveal that this framework do we have can be beneficial to even domestic violence。 Um so he was ninety minute and I just kind of high level, high level results that we get out of IT and that goes along also say you know the confess project um you know ninety percent of our barbers um that has participated ever received there ery in a barber shop rather than going .

to a clinic now why .

do you think that is comfortable ly on sty you know the the cultural component um and I think even envision middle you know who you know this again we go back to the statement shame with have going to see a with some of our barbers. Y I don't want to see a shrink uh you know IT a critic is so I think this is the culture but now you're bringing .

in the training here and so one of the things is so fascinating about this is that people go back to their barber, or their petition over and over, and so this relationship develops. And you see somebody, you tell your barber in your beauty, everything. And so I would imagine that it's like the perfect opportunity to really give people support, especially a moment in time where enza, where people feel so lonely, they feel isolated.

Most people don't have the resources to hire a therapist or a mental health professional. And you are you are providing this kind of service. And introvert right at the chair and the people that chair on me realize that, I mean, this is incredible.

absolutely. yeah. And I think it's just um you know we're glad that obviously barm style is have they seen as culture asset as community leaders and glad they were now helping them to use their assets in a great way around supporting people um supporting their mental health, support their well being because we know what one mental health is great they will being and who they are a person will show even even Better.

Can you give us just a couple examples of how barbour's amputations that have gone through this training have made a difference already in small ways and big ways?

yes. So you know we've had you know barbers and styles that has went through this program to you know for them ourselves to um to take themselves until we have to you have build a stronger relationship with their children, build stronger relationship Better in their marriage um but all the way in love more to help save someone from taking a live by a and down by school rather than so we've seen in the very most minimal state of relationship Better boundaries, Better hills that will be um to saving lives.

So that's how impactful um this training um they were. They're using this time around active listening and how to communicate Better, how to reduce one uh reduce signal around middle ill, but also how to get someone to help. There may be in a crisis.

Well, you know, it's true like if you think about even some of the little data struggles that people face for. And so we don't talk about IT, but if you're sitting in the barber's chair and you're kind of looking yourself in this person that you know is behind you and they are touching you and they're like how s your day going, you tend to start to spill the beans.

And so sometimes the difference between you like just drowning and hard ache over a break up or you not knowing what to do about a kid ears that struggling in school, like the difference can be made by one person listening and making a suggestion that makes you start to feel like you could do something, or this is a research you could call and you through the confess project or training barber ers. And beautiful to do that for people that's extraordinary. So do you go to schools or like, because I also wonder what's IT like to walk into a room full of barbers.

They all got their arms crossed. They're standing there. They're like a god was the stood done and and you're going in to do mental health advocacy y training yeah our people receptive.

Do you have to win them over? I mean, I realized now you're really a big shot. So people know about the project and you reach millions of people, but was IT hard in the beginning to get people to see .

the connection, is that was there was incredibly hot. And I think one of the reasons because you know um you know you know the single get go back to the key and I think you know um we ve got a lot of keeping early on, you know before we start getting support, but you know just working with you know um you know CoOperations you know and being supported by people like and this clipper you know really been able to create, I say through create bill in the barber world and really create um uh A A cultural connection um with logger.

Will they gain people to a while um you know I think the the most appreciated thing in the beginning was we don't know who you are and we don't know how this to work in our and so I think was just honestly， i've just found a few barbers and that was committed at first using that as a test menu and did um taking IT on the road and just say, hey, they did IT can you do too? I did IT you know and so IT just became a reputation. And before you know, he just became, is the thing that just exist now in the industry. We, we go to bar, expose major events all over the country. Sponsor.

by the ette. You get all these corporate sponsors. Now, help me out like this is so freaking inspiring. How long did you keep your your corporate job with the department of health and human services? Why you did this on the side until he became your full time thing?

Very minimal. I got you know I literally I became so infused with this um after I got my degree um I worked looks so I worked in a hospital in for a while and I just say, and this significant, I need to leave work. Uh, I think I live with a very Normal savings.

I knew I would run out of money. I had a very Young daughter. The time was your .

rife like you're crazy. You're keep in that talk because that's what I said to my husband when he was going to quit his job to to pursue his dream. I like, no, you're not.

yes. So you, I just know, was very a lot of really had to struggle and light to build this in the beginning. Uh, but I knew that I needed to do with four time, and i'm so glad I did me because when I look back on IT now, it's really the reason that has flus because I was able to do at for we've been known as now for seven years and i've been like locked focus on everything we accomplished more than I think we would have.

We probably come as more. I would have took us ten years to do if I had have done in in slower place. So you really think about the mental health crisis.

We think about the suicide crisis on Young people, the suicide crisis on black me between the age of twenty four, known to as the derling cause of death. This was nothing we could really take lightly or take slowly. And I think that's what always drove me, was known that this is a crisis issue and we have to solve the problem.

That's the difference tween a career and a calling.

Yes.

you have a calling, and i'm glad you answered the call. Yes, tell me about the difference that the confessed project made when somebody came in and said I was going to be their last haircut and they were suicidal.

IT was a game chAllenging at that store was out of um Johnson city, tennessee um and you know a bar I have been you worked with the cloned home for a peer time um and um you know he was going to do some chAllenges um and you he said he want to be IT in all but so happening in this scenario he was able to get him because two weeks from to we have bit in tennecy donor training have brought there that we like to vite their pistol training um or we can with there is a local communities the connecting with barb um and even then we can hill now sign story different city filled of you subside of filling of you very situation guy walks in the world shop say i'm that I don't want living in logo i'm a walk out in traffic take my life had never met the barbers this was a story we was told after we provided the trying to the right man I wish you guys I have been her last year this and you know, I just shows that when we provide the support, what can happen? And this guy, particularly a philadephia sing, he had a psychotic episode bar was then know what to do. They was sick word that, you know, he had took his life so happily he was found, but they didn't have the fields of the tools to react. Yeah.

and I think we all know, because I could imagine some people listening right now. Well, why won? You just call the police will tell you why. First of all, a and a lot of communities, uh, there is no trust with the police secondary. Yes, having police officer show up when IT should be mental health professional showing up in a situation like that. And we also know that legally you can't take somebody into custody for mental health services unless they are an immediate harm to themselves in that moment. And so you, there is a big hole. And so knowing how to talk to somebody, knowing how to lean in and listen, knowing how to validate, and then knowing how to do what the confessed project barbers did in tennesee after your training, which was to support this person in a very low moment and connect them with services that got them, the support and the help that they needed, that exactly the right approach, and you created IT. What does that feel like, Lorenzo, to know that you .

saved that .

guy's life?

Yeah you know is i'm glad that we took the risk um and the reason when I say the risk um this model had to be honest, had never really been done before. Um when we first started, we had no data, we had no blueprint. IT was just really something that was instead of my head, uh, my live experiences. But I was also feel what a lot of hope and again, like you said, a colon and you know IT just leaves me to be grateful that we did take the risk to actually implement something that we know the world really needed in this moment and I think even moving forward. So IT just fulfilled me to know that you know, i'm glad that I was able to be you know, we we were able to really advances this forward. Um I think regardless of the the chAllenges that we faced over the years of kind of put this together um because has been he has been a really rocky road that I think anytime you're deal with community related work and you know um really trying to get you know move people across the certain calls, you know that takes time and I could be a lot of chAllenges. But I believe we've again to a place where we know that this is something as appreciate and is obviously as very much needed .

so and working. So what's your vision for the next ten years?

Um you know honestly at this point and you know is to explain this model as far as we can take, um we have done this same training with first responders. We've done this training with reinforcement educators, councillors. Mad was imagination is that we can impact all walks alive, all different kind of people all across the world um but you know we recognize we recently formed a started a virtual is really cool and new visual training.

They really gives the users, uh, rather trying like super users people to use this, trying other people across multiple places and really multiple our sales more. We really found a um I said a new product does not allow us to really scale bitter. My goal is that this can go go across the world and really impact more people than what we've been able impact here in the united states. And so why I was so glad about being here, because of the reach that I know this forecast has, you know, and just the impact that I know what the world, when people find out about these things, you can really root a lot of people. So .

absolutely, well, there's no doubt my mind that you will get done. Lorenzo, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Lorenzo Lewis, everybody. The confess project, we will be linking to everything that you can check that out, and you can introduce IT to the slams and the first responders in your neighborhood.

And we will provide all the resources as well to the training that are we all could be using because I I love this thing that I read that you said that, look, you know, when you get cpr training IT, so you can keep somebody alive when the EMS arrive. And this confess project helps keep people alive and keep them going until the professional help arrives. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. absolutely. No, thank you. Thank you much.

My pleasure. I told you you would love him. I told you you would feel inspired.

Red, I bet you've got all kinds of ideas turn in in your head. Now I want you to do something about IT. I want you to take a step forward.

That's why I invited lu renzo on, because I know that you can make a difference and you don't need permission, you don't need to be asked. You are in the best position to serve the person that you used to be. Remember that and go do IT.

And in case nobody else tells you, I want to remind you that I love you. I've believe in you. I am here for you every step of the way. And I know you ve got what IT takes to create the life that you love. Not get out there and go do IT and i'll talk during a few days.

That was that chicken garlic situation who you're not kidding, we meant need to claim this, mike. You know, I think I need that. Am I? Oh, I am in L, I in control here.

Let me, let me be in control. How do I do this? I go to slack bomb that that, okay, we're going in a zoom meeting, but I don't want to go on right now.

okay? What is IT in chat? I can hit in chat if IT is there.

He is. okay. And then i'm going to pop this up, pull up on, okay, thank you.

Here we go. Let me do that one more time. Oh.

where do you want to go to next?

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