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A Harrowing Detention in Gaza

2023/12/15
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Mosab Abu Toha:在加沙长大,从未亲眼见过以色列士兵,只经历过空袭和坦克袭击。在试图逃离加沙时,他被以色列士兵拦下,被指控为哈马斯成员,并遭受了脱衣搜身和殴打。这次经历使他对和平的可能性更加悲观。他认为,在加沙,即使是孩子也失去了童年,被迫学习生存技能。他认为,加沙的未来无法建立在血与骨之上,巴勒斯坦人需要和平地生活在自己的土地上。他的家园和图书馆被毁,与家人的联系中断,他写诗表达对母亲的思念和担忧。 David Remnick:采访了Mosab Abu Toha,并报道了他的经历。讨论了哈马斯袭击的动机和后果,以及以色列和巴勒斯坦未来和平共处的可能性。对Mosab Abu Toha被拘留的原因表示疑问,可能是误判或错误情报。讨论了哈马斯袭击的规模和影响,以及其对未来和平进程的影响。

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Mossab Abu Toha describes the harrowing experience of leaving his home in Gaza City for a nearby refugee camp during the escalation of violence.

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Growing up in Gaza, Mosab Abu Toha wasn’t used to seeing Israeli soldiers in person. “You are bombed from the sky. You are bombed by tanks. You do not see the people, the soldiers who are killing you and your family,” he tells David Remnick. Abu Toha is a poet educated in the United States, who has contributed) to The New Yorker from Gaza since Israel launched its bombardment after the October 7th Hamas attack. As Abu Toha and his family tried to flee Gaza, he was stopped by Israeli forces, and accused of being a Hamas activist.  He describes being stripped naked and beaten in detention. “I kept saying, ‘Someone please talk to me,’ ” Abu Toha recalls. After an interrogation, he was released, but with a more pessimistic view of the possibility for peace. “In Gaza, even a child who is six or three or four years old, is no longer a child. They are not living their childhood. They are not children. They are not learning how to speak English, how to draw; they’re just learning how to survive,” he tells Remnick. “This future cannot be built on a land that is covered with blood and bones.”

An earlier version of this article misstated the location where Abu Toha was stopped by Israeli forces. It was also updated to clarify what is known about the circumstances surrounding his detention.