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A Rise in Antisemitism, at Home and Abroad

2023/11/17
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David Remnick：近年来，特别是在中东冲突之后，全球反犹太主义事件呈上升趋势，美国和欧洲尤其如此。反犹太主义言论和事件激增，引发了全球官员的担忧。美国联邦调查局局长克里斯托弗·雷警告说，这种威胁正在达到某种历史水平。 David Remnick还指出，反犹太主义来自政治光谱的各个方面，甚至在中间地带也存在。他关注美国大学校园的反犹太主义事件，认为某些言论和行为已经越界，并引发了关于言论自由和言论界限的讨论。 David Remnick还探讨了反犹太主义与反犹太复国主义之间的关系，认为在以色列建国之前，质疑犹太复国主义的合理性是可以讨论的，但如今以色列作为一个拥有数百万人口的现实存在，质疑其合法性就变得难以理解，甚至常常演变为否认犹太人拥有民族认同的权利。 Deborah Lipstadt：反犹太主义的根源广泛，包括基督徒、穆斯林、无神论者，甚至犹太人自身。她认为，在大学等场所，某些教授和学生对以色列的批评已经超越了正常的批评范畴，演变成了仇恨言论和威胁。她指出，一些极端言论和行为不可接受，但同时强调，支持巴勒斯坦或呼吁停火等言论本身并非冒犯。 Deborah Lipstadt还指出，近年来，某些政客的言论为仇恨言论提供了‘绿灯’，导致社会上出现了一种可以自由表达某些态度、合理化仇恨言论的氛围。她认为，反犹太主义不仅威胁犹太人，也威胁民主价值观，因为它往往伴随着对民主制度的否定和对社会其他弱势群体的歧视。她呼吁社会不容忍任何形式的仇恨，并强调打击仇恨不能孤立进行，因为‘它可能始于犹太人，但绝不会止于犹太人’。

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Antisemitism has been increasing in the United States, Europe, and beyond, alarming officials worldwide, especially following the recent violence in the Middle East.

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Ambassador Deborah Lipstadt is a noted historian of antisemitism, and serves the State Department as Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Antisemitism. Violence and threats against Jews have been surging for years.  “We’ve been seeing [antisemitism] coming from all ends of the political spectrum, and in between,” Lipstadt tells David Remnick. “We see it coming from Christians, we see it coming from Muslims, we see it coming from atheists.  We see it coming from Jews.”  In the aftermath of Israel’s military strikes on Gaza, particularly on college campuses, she is very concerned about widespread sentiments that deny Israel a right to exist. While she doesn’t believe students or faculty should be penalized for expressing solidarity with Palestinians or Israelis, she believes that the language used by some influential people “has served as a green light to the haters,” she says. “It sort of takes the lid off.” And ethnic prejudice, she notes, rarely limits itself. “Once you start dealing in the stereotypes of that one group, you’re going to start dealing with the stereotypes in another group.”