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Can Memes Swing the 2024 Election? Plus, Michelle Zauner on “Crying in H Mart”

2024/2/9
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Claire Malone: 本文主要讨论了meme在美国2024年总统大选中的作用。作者认为,右翼阵营在制作和传播meme方面更胜一筹,因为他们的意识形态更黑白分明,更容易制造出引发共鸣的幽默。左翼阵营则因为过于注重政治正确性而难以创作出具有传播力的meme。文章分析了针对拜登和特朗普的各种meme,以及它们对选民的影响。拜登竞选团队试图通过自嘲其年龄来应对对其年龄的担忧,而特朗普则善于利用meme来巩固自己的形象,甚至将负面新闻转化为有利的宣传素材。文章还探讨了泰勒·斯威夫特和特拉维斯·凯尔西的恋情如何成为一个右翼阴谋论的素材,以及名人效应在政治宣传中的作用。 David Remnick: David Remnick作为访谈主持人,引导Claire Malone、Jill Lepore和Michelle Zauner讨论了各自领域的观点,并对他们的观点进行总结和补充。 Jill Lepore: Jill Lepore谈到了1月6日事件以及弹劾程序对特朗普参选资格的影响。她认为,共和党参议员未能履行其宪法职责,未能弹劾特朗普,导致了目前的困境。 Michelle Zauner: Michelle Zauner主要讲述了她创作回忆录《在H Mart哭泣》的经历和感受,以及她在创作过程中对母亲和自身关系的重新审视。她谈到了写作回忆录如何让她对母亲有了更深的理解和同情,并最终找到了自我原谅和对母亲的谅解。她还分享了创作过程中的一些细节,以及她对未来创作的规划。 Hua Xu: Hua Xu与Michelle Zauner进行了一场关于《在H Mart哭泣》的访谈,探讨了该书的创作背景、主题以及作者的个人经历。他与Michelle Zauner就回忆录写作、母女关系、以及亚裔美国艺术家群体之间的互相支持等方面进行了深入的交流。

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The discussion explores how memes, particularly those from the right wing, are influencing voter perceptions in the 2024 election, focusing on the strategies of both Biden and Trump in leveraging or countering these memes.

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In a Presidential race with two leading candidates who are broadly unpopular, any small perceived edge can make a tremendous difference. According to Clare Malone), more and more people will have their judgments formed by memes—visual jokes about the candidates floating on social media. Republican memes capitalize on widespread discomfort with President Biden’s age, by highlighting his stumbles, verbal or otherwise. Meanwhile, Donald Trump is a master of turning bad press to his advantage: he propagated his own mug shot on social media, feeding his outlaw image. Malone says that conservatives also have a leg up here because their beliefs suit the medium. “The right wing can ‘go there’—they can say the thing everyone thinks, but doesn’t actually say out loud.” Now the partisan fight on social media has roped in a relatively innocent bystander, Taylor Swift. The pop star, who has endorsed Biden in the past, and her boyfriend, Travis Kelce, have been labeled a “psy op” by right-wingers online. “My theory about American politics, especially in the past decade, is basically none of it’s really policy,” Malone argues. “It’s all political pheromones.” 

Plus, Michelle Zauner, the front woman for the indie band Japanese Breakfast, talks about her memoir, “Crying in H Mart),” with The New Yorker’s Hua Hsu, author of “Stay True).”