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cover of episode E. Jean Carroll and Roberta Kaplan on Defamatory Trump, and Dexter Filkins on Ron DeSantis

E. Jean Carroll and Roberta Kaplan on Defamatory Trump, and Dexter Filkins on Ron DeSantis

2023/5/26
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E. Jean Carroll:Carroll详细描述了特朗普对她性侵犯和诽谤的经历,以及她对特朗普在CNN采访中再次诽谤她的反应。她强调了这次法律诉讼的意义,以及她对未来帮助其他女性追究施暴者责任的计划。她表达了她对美国司法系统的信心,以及她对特朗普最终为其行为负责的希望。 Roberta Kaplan:Kaplan解释了Carroll针对特朗普的两个诽谤诉讼案的法律细节,并阐述了特朗普的诽谤行为具有模式性,以及法庭证据证明了他的谎言。她还讨论了特朗普不出庭受审的异常情况,以及这如何影响了判决结果。她认为,特朗普最终会因为经济损失而改变行为,尽管这需要时间。 David Remnick:Remnick引导了与Carroll和Kaplan的对话,并提出了关于案件的法律和政治意义的问题。他还采访了Filkins,讨论了德桑蒂斯的总统竞选。 Dexter Filkins:Filkins提供了对德桑蒂斯背景、政治观点和策略的深入分析。他讨论了德桑蒂斯在新冠疫情、LGBTQ问题和与迪士尼的冲突中的立场,以及这些立场如何塑造了他的全国形象。他还描述了他与德桑蒂斯父亲的会面,以及德桑蒂斯与福克斯新闻之间的共生关系。

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E. Jean Carroll and her lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, discuss their legal victory against Donald Trump for sexual abuse and defamation, and the ongoing challenges of dealing with his continued attacks.

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Earlier this month, E Jean Carroll won an unprecedented legal victory: in a civil suit, Donald Trump was found liable for sexual abuse against her in the mid-nineteen-nineties, and for defamation in later accusing her of a hoax. But no sooner was that decision announced than Trump reiterated his defamatory insults against her in a controversial CNN interview. Carroll has now filed an amended complaint, in a separate suit, based on Trump’s continued barrage. But can anything make him stop? “The one thing he understands is money,” Carroll’s lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, tells David Remnick. “At some point he’ll understand that every time he does it, it’s going to cost him  a few million dollars. And that may make a difference.” Carroll acknowledges that Trump will keep attacking her to get a laugh—“a lot of people don’t like women,” she says simply—but she is undaunted, telling Remnick, “I hate to be all positive about this, but I think we’ve made a difference, I really do.” 

Plus, the staff writer Dexter Filkins on Ron DeSantis, who finally announced his Presidential candidacy this week. In 2022, Filkins profiled the Florida governor as his national ambitions were becoming clear. “He’s very good at staking out a position and pounding the table,” Filkins notes, “saying, ‘I’m not giving in to the liberals in the Northeast.’ ”