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Elaine Pagels on the Mysteries of Jesus

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Elaine Pagels: 我毕生致力于研究早期基督教,特别是那些未被纳入正典的文本。我的研究并非基于信仰,而是源于对历史和人类精神的强烈好奇心。我早年经历过一次短暂的宗教体验,但这并没有让我成为一个虔诚的信徒。相反,它激发了我对宗教现象的深入探索。我试图理解宗教传统如何在理性被质疑后依然延续,以及人们如何与他们认为的超自然力量互动。在《奇迹与奇迹:耶稣的历史之谜》一书中,我探讨了基督教历史上一些核心争议,例如童贞女怀孕和复活。我分析了不同版本的福音书,包括诺斯替福音书,并试图揭示它们背后的历史和文化背景。通过研究,我发现,即使是那些看似荒诞不经的故事,也反映了人们对信仰、希望和救赎的渴望。我对死亡和来世持开放态度,认为可能存在我们无法理解的现实。我并不执着于对特定教义的信仰,而是更关注宗教实践和体验所带来的精神力量。 David Remnick: 作为一名记者,我与Elaine Pagels进行了多次访谈,见证了她对信仰和宗教的独特见解。她的研究成果不仅具有学术价值,也对大众理解基督教历史和文化产生了深远的影响。她对童贞女怀孕和复活等核心问题的质疑,引发了广泛的讨论和争议。然而,她的研究并非旨在否定信仰,而是试图通过历史和文本分析,更全面地理解基督教的起源和发展。她的开放心态和对超自然现象的探索,也为我们理解人类精神的复杂性提供了新的视角。

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Thirty years ago, David Remnick published “The Devil Problem),” a profile of the religion professor Elaine Pagels—a scholar of early Christianity who had also, improbably, become a best-selling author. Pagels’s 1979 book, “The Gnostic Gospels),” was scholarly and rigorous, but also accessible and widely read. She changed how a lot of people thought about the Bible. Pagels went on to write “The Origin of Satan),” as well as works on Adam and Eve and the Book of Revelation. Pagels's upcoming book, “Miracles and Wonder: The Historical Mystery of Jesus),” is a summation of her lifetime of study, as it takes on some of the central historical controversies of Christianity, including the stories of immaculate conception and the resurrection. The daughter of a scientist, Pagels “was living in a world in which science defines what you can see, and there’s nothing else.” Then, as a teen-ager, she was born again after seeing the evangelist Billy Graham preach. “This was about opening up the imagination,” she tells Remnick. “I did feel like the sky opened up.” Her time in the evangelical community was brief, but her fascination with belief never faded. “I have a sense that what we think of as the invisible world has deep realities to it that are quite unfathomable.”