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Inside Donald Trump’s Mass-Deportation Plans

2024/12/6
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David Remnick 指出特朗普政府承诺进行美国历史上最大规模的驱逐出境行动,这将对移民生活、社区、美国经济等产生巨大影响。Jonathan Blitzer 分析了民主党在移民问题上的策略失误,以及拜登政府在应对德州州长阿博特的移民巴士行动中的不作为。他还指出,特朗普政府的驱逐行动可能具有随意性,执法政策可能对所有非法移民采取行动,而不仅仅是有犯罪记录的移民。Stephen Miller 则表示特朗普政府将立即签署行政命令,关闭边境,开始美国历史上最大规模的驱逐行动,并将犯罪分子遣返回国。Thomas Homan 否认将进行大规模搜捕和建立集中营,称将重点进行有针对性的逮捕。Blitzer 认为,即使特朗普政府无法实现其驱逐目标,其行动仍将造成巨大的破坏和痛苦。他分析了特朗普政府可能采取的各种行动,例如取消限制在学校、医院等场所进行逮捕的政策,取消对“附带逮捕”的限制,恢复对工作场所的突击搜查,以及取消对DACA项目的保护。他还指出,特朗普政府可能会利用军事力量,突破法律界限,对不配合其移民执法政策的州和地方政府采取报复行动。 Jonathan Blitzer 深入分析了特朗普政府的移民政策,指出其可能对美国社会造成深远的影响。他认为,特朗普政府的驱逐计划将具有随意性和破坏性,可能导致大规模的恐慌和社会动荡。他特别关注了特朗普政府可能取消对在学校、医院等场所进行逮捕的限制,以及可能对DACA项目采取行动。他还指出,特朗普政府可能会利用军事力量,突破法律界限,对不配合其移民执法政策的州和地方政府采取报复行动。Blitzer 的分析基于对相关法律法规、政府官员言论以及历史事件的深入研究,并结合了对移民社区的实际观察。 Stephen Miller 代表特朗普政府的强硬立场,主张立即关闭边境,开始大规模驱逐行动,遣返所有非法移民,特别是那些有犯罪记录的移民。他强调政府将动用一切联邦权力来实施这项计划,并与其他执法机构合作,以确保边境安全和社会秩序。Miller 的言论体现了特朗普政府对移民问题的强硬态度和零容忍政策。 Thomas Homan 虽然也代表特朗普政府的强硬立场,但他试图淡化大规模驱逐行动可能造成的负面影响。他否认政府将进行大规模搜捕和建立集中营,而是强调将重点进行有针对性的逮捕。Homan 的言论试图在强硬执法和维护社会秩序之间取得平衡,但其言论的可信度和实际操作性仍有待观察。

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Why did the Biden administration struggle with immigration policy during their term?

The Biden administration miscalculated by not addressing immigration head-on, thinking it would fade away. They clung to Trump-era policies like Title 42, which led to counterproductive effects and spiraling border control issues. Additionally, they failed to counter Texas Governor Greg Abbott's busing of migrants, which politically backfired.

What are the potential consequences of Trump's mass deportation plans on undocumented immigrants?

The consequences include immense suffering and upheaval, even if the ambitious deportation targets are not met. The aim is to create a sense of terror through harsh enforcement, including arrests in sensitive locations like schools and hospitals, and potential racial profiling.

How does the Biden administration's use of humanitarian parole differ from previous administrations?

The Biden administration used humanitarian parole extensively to manage the border situation, allowing over a million people to enter legally for two years. However, this temporary status leaves these individuals vulnerable once their permits expire, as there is no legislative pathway to permanent status.

What role did Stephen Miller play in Trump's first term immigration policies?

Stephen Miller was a key architect of harsh immigration policies, including family separation at the border. He aimed to punish asylum seekers and deter others from coming, leading to some of the most upsetting aspects of the first Trump administration's immigration enforcement.

What legal precedents exist for large-scale deportations in the U.S.?

Operation Wetback during the Eisenhower administration is the only precedent for large-scale deportations, involving over a million people. This operation, however, was marred by racial profiling and the deportation of U.S. citizens, leaving a dark mark on the administration's record.

How might the lack of 'guardrails' in the second Trump term affect immigration enforcement?

Without institutional resistance, the second Trump term could see more unfettered and harsh immigration enforcement, including increased racial profiling, workplace raids, and potential assaults on programs like DACA. The Department of Justice and Homeland Security may collaborate more closely to prosecute non-compliant jurisdictions.

What is the significance of the Postville Raid in Iowa in understanding the impact of large-scale immigration enforcement?

The Postville Raid, the largest workplace enforcement operation until the first Trump administration, had measurable negative health impacts on the local Latino community, including lower birth weights among children born after the raid due to heightened maternal stress and anxiety.

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Immigration has been the cornerstone of Donald Trump’s political career, and in his second successful Presidential campaign he promised to execute the largest deportation in history. Stephen Miller, Trump’s key advisor on hard-line immigration policy, said that the incoming Administration would “unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to implement the most spectacular migration crackdown,” possibly involving the use of the military. “I do think they’re going to strain the outer limits of the law on that,” the staff writer Jonathan Blitzer) tells David Remnick. “We’re entering unprecedented territory.” Blitzer unpacks some of the anti-immigrant rhetoric, and explains measures that the new Administration is likely to take. “I.C.E. has a policy that discourages arrests at schools, hospitals, places of worship, courts,” he says. That policy can change and, he believes, will. “You’re going to see arrest operations in very scary and upsetting places.” The aim, he thinks, will be “to create a sense of terror. That is going to be the modus operandi of the Administration.” Blitzer is the author of “Everyone Who Is Gone Is Here),” a definitive account of the immigration crisis.