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Sara Bareilles Talks with Rachel Syme

2025/1/7
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Sara Bareilles: 早期与其他歌曲创作者的合作经历让她感到绝望,因为她觉得那些创作者只是在寻找人来演唱他们的歌,而不是真正地进行创作。她认为年轻艺术家应该意识到自己有权拒绝不喜欢的合作,并拥有选择自己创作道路的权力。歌曲《Gravity》的创作并非源于绝望,而是源于她意识到自己应该回归自我,并用自己的方式进行创作的顿悟时刻。她从小热爱戏剧,并认为在剧院的经历是她人生中最快乐的时光之一,这也促使她后来回归戏剧舞台。她第一次参加戏剧试镜的经历非常糟糕,这让她意识到自己对戏剧行业的了解不足。她在创作音乐剧《Waitress》的歌曲时,注重角色的复杂性和多面性,并享受与他人合作的过程。她更喜欢戏剧行业,认为戏剧行业的人们更珍惜合作的机会,氛围也更加积极。她认为艺术家比艺术本身更脆弱,快速成名可能会对年轻艺术家造成难以承受的压力。她鼓励年轻艺术家要明确创作的初衷,不要为了名利而创作艺术。她认为自己有责任以真实的面貌示人,并自然地老去。 Rachel Syme: 提问引导Sara Bareilles 分享她的创作历程、对音乐剧和流行音乐行业的看法,以及她对艺术和商业之间关系的思考。

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Why does Sara Bareilles prefer working in theatre over the music industry?

Sara Bareilles prefers theatre because it feels less competitive and more collaborative. She describes the music industry as highly competitive, which doesn't align with her personality. In contrast, theatre fosters a sense of gratitude and joy among participants, with everyone being happy to be part of a production, regardless of how long it lasts.

How did Sara Bareilles' early experiences with co-writers shape her approach to songwriting?

Sara Bareilles' early experiences with co-writers were discouraging, as she felt her presence didn't matter in the songwriting process. She describes songwriting as a sacred and intimate act, akin to her relationship with God. This led her to reject co-writing sessions and insist on writing solo, which ultimately helped her develop her unique voice and style.

What inspired Sara Bareilles to write the song 'She Used to Be Mine' for the musical Waitress?

Sara Bareilles wrote 'She Used to Be Mine' as a way to capture the complexity of the main character, Jenna, in Waitress. The song reflects Jenna's messy, kind, and lonely nature, portraying her as a mix of emotions 'baked in a beautiful pie.' Bareilles aimed to authentically express the character's inner struggles and transformation.

How does Sara Bareilles view the relationship between art and commerce in the music industry?

Sara Bareilles believes that while art itself is not vulnerable, artists are. She criticizes the rapid rise to fame many young artists experience today, which can be overwhelming and unsustainable. Bareilles emphasizes the importance of creating art for the right reasons, such as self-expression and connection, rather than for commercial success or fame.

What role does collaboration play in Sara Bareilles' creative process, especially in theatre?

Collaboration is central to Sara Bareilles' creative process in theatre. She values the right kind of collaboration, where the collective effort results in something greater than the sum of its parts. Working on projects like Waitress allowed her to engage in meaningful conversations about motivation and storytelling, which she finds deeply rewarding.

How does Sara Bareilles feel about aging and authenticity in her career?

Sara Bareilles embraces aging naturally and sees it as a privilege. She feels a responsibility to show up authentically, even if it means challenging societal expectations about appearance. Bareilles aims to be a role model for younger artists by being true to herself and not hiding the natural process of aging.

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This chapter traces Sara Bareilles's career transition from a pop music star to a successful Broadway composer and performer. It highlights her early experiences with record deals, songwriting challenges, and her enduring love for theatre, which ultimately led her back to the stage.
  • Sara Bareilles's initial success in pop music.
  • Challenges faced with co-writers and record labels.
  • Her deep-rooted passion for theatre from childhood.
  • Transition from music career to focus on theatre

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Sara Bareilles broke out as a pop-music star in the late two-thousands. But she’s gone on to have a very different kind of career, writing music for Broadway and eventually performing as an actor on stage and on television.  At the New Yorker Festival, in 2024, she played her early hit “Gravity,” and spoke with staff writer Rachel Syme) about the pressures of fame, aging, and why she prefers working in theatre. “There’s so much competition in the music industry. I’m not a competitive person; I don’t understand it. It’s not that theatre isn’t competitive, but there’s this feeling—everybody’s so happy to be there. Like, ‘We got a show, guys, and we don’t know how long it’s going to last!’ ”