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The Writer Danzy Senna on Kamala Harris and the Complexity of Biracial Identity in America

2024/8/30
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Danzy Senna: 我认为川普关于卡玛拉·哈里斯种族身份的言论,反映出白人美国社会根深蒂固的一种心态:混血人士的身份总是被质疑和猜测,他们的外貌而非背景或身份决定了他们是什么。这种心态导致混血人士常常被质疑、贬低,甚至被指责为骗子。此外,将自己认定为黑人的选择,在当时是出于政治、文化和政治的考虑,而非病态的选择。在那个特定的历史背景下,选择认同黑人身份是一种政治声明和文化选择。如今,我们却面临着历史健忘症的风险,将这种选择病态化。 Julian Lucas: 在与Danzy Senna的对话中,我了解到她更喜欢用“mulatto”来形容自己和卢卡斯这样的人,因为它更具体,并且与特定历史背景下的混血黑人和白人有关,而“biracial”或“multiracial”则过于笼统。此外,她认为混血人士会改变美国或拯救世界是一种荒谬的幻想,这种想法尤其在90年代盛行,是对历史上混血人士被视为悲剧和贫瘠人物的反应。她还谈到了自己作为“仇恨的一代”的经历,以及她对家族历史中奴隶贸易的认识。最后,她探讨了小说主人公Jane的焦虑并非来自种族认同,而是来自职业选择和阶级地位。她试图将自己的混血身份商品化以获得成功,反映了当今社会混血身份更多地象征着财富的现实。

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Danzy Senna, a biracial author, explores the complexities of racial identity in America through her novels, stories, and essays. Her work focuses on navigating the challenges and expectations placed upon biracial individuals in a society obsessed with color lines. Senna's latest novel, "Colored Television," examines the changing nature of biracial identity with humor, compassion, irony, and sarcasm.
  • Danzy Senna's work focuses on the biracial experience in America.
  • Her new novel, "Colored Television," explores the changing nature of biracial identity.
  • Senna's writing is characterized by humor, compassion, irony, and sarcasm.

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In fiction and nonfiction, the author Danzy Senna focusses on the experience of being biracial in a nation long obsessed with color lines. Now that Kamala Harris is the Democratic candidate for President, some of Senna’s concerns have come to the fore in political life. Donald Trump attacked Harris as a kind of race manipulator, implying that she had been Indian American before becoming Black for strategic purposes.  The claim was bizarre and false, but Senna feels that it reflected a mind-set in white America. “Mixed-race people are sort of up for debate and speculation, and there’s a real return to the idea that your appearance is what matters, not what your background is or your identity,” she tells Julian Lucas, who wrote about Senna’s work in The New Yorker.  “And if your appearance is unclear to us, then we’re going to debate you and we’re going to discount you and we’re going to accuse you of being an impostor.”  Senna talks about why she describes people like herself and Lucas using the old word “mulatto,” despite its racist etymology. “The word ‘biracial’ or ‘multiracial’ to me is completely meaningless,” she says, “because I don’t know which races were mixing.  And those things matter when we’re talking about identity.”  Senna’s newest novel, “Colored Television,” follows a literary writer somewhat like herself, trying to find a new career in the more lucrative world of TV.