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Ty Cobb on Trump, Putin, and the Death of Alexey Navalny

2024/2/23
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Ty Cobb:普京没有掌握特朗普的把柄,但特朗普欣赏普京的权力和控制力。特朗普对普京的迷恋源于他对绝对权力和崇拜的渴望。特朗普目前面临多项刑事指控,其中只有与阻止权力和平过渡相关的联邦案件可能对其政治生涯造成影响。如果特朗普再次当选,他会指示司法部驳回这些案件。 Ty Cobb还分析了特朗普面临的几起案件,认为涉及机密文件的案件对特朗普不利,但由于法官的拖延,该案不太可能在选举前审判。涉及阻止权力和平过渡的案件可能在选举前审判,这取决于最高法院的裁决。纽约州的案件最薄弱,因为州检察官无法指控联邦罪行。佐治亚州的案件特朗普无法驳回,但可能在任期内不会被审判。 David Remnick:对纳瓦尔尼之死以及特朗普对此的反应感到震惊,认为纳瓦尔尼是英雄。特朗普没有谴责普京,反而将拜登与普京相提并论,并将自己与纳瓦尔尼相提并论。对有人认为普京掌握特朗普的把柄这一说法进行提问。

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Ty Cobb represented the Trump White House during the height of the Mueller-Russia probe, so he has a unique insight into the former President’s admiration for all things Putin, and his refusal to condemn the dissident Alexey Navalny’s death in prison. Trump’s response, bizarrely, was to compare his own legal troubles to Navalny’s political persecution and likely murder.  Yet Cobb still feels certain that Russia has nothing concrete on Trump, which was the question of the Mueller investigation. Rather, Putin “has what Trump wants,” he tells David Remnick, “total control and adulation and riding the horse with his shirt off.” His quest to secure that power, seemingly by any means necessary, has made Trump “the greatest threat to democracy we’ve ever seen.” Cobb has been following Trump’s myriad of criminal cases closely, and he has concluded that only the January 6th case concerning Trump’s attempt to prevent the peaceful transfer of power has the potential to derail his political career. If a trial decision is not reached before the November election, and Trump were to win again, he can order the Justice Department to dismiss the case, and “it will be as though it never existed.”