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cover of episode We the Builders: Federal Employees Stand Up to DOGE; Plus, Celebrating 100 Years: Michael Cunningham on “Brokeback Mountain”

We the Builders: Federal Employees Stand Up to DOGE; Plus, Celebrating 100 Years: Michael Cunningham on “Brokeback Mountain”

2025/3/18
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David Remnick: 特朗普政府解雇了超过10万名联邦雇员,这一事件引发了广泛关注。 Kate Green: 我们建造者网站旨在帮助受影响的联邦雇员发声,解释其工作的重要性以及裁员的危害。该网站旨在向公众、记者和活动家解释联邦政府的工作,并帮助他们制定应对策略,让更多人了解政府裁员的深远影响。 Milo: 政府部门的软件开发流程比私营部门慢,但更注重用户体验和系统稳定性。Doge团队对原USDS员工进行了一些具有对抗性的会面,并未充分了解他们工作的复杂性,这阻碍了工作的效率和沟通。政府的裁员是突然且不透明的,许多员工在毫不知情的情况下被解雇,这造成了极大的不安全感和恐慌。联邦政府系统的大规模裁员可能导致服务中断,例如社保金发放中断,以及食品安全等问题的出现。政府工作对公众来说很大程度上是隐形的,因此政府部门的裁员对公众的影响往往是滞后的且不易察觉的。需要监督Doge团队的工作,确保其新项目能够提升公众服务水平,而不是进一步削弱政府职能。

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Across the federal government, the number of federal workers fired under Donald Trump and DOGE currently stands at over a hundred thousand. Some of those workers have turned to a website called We the Builders. It was created by federal workers associated with the U.S. Digital Service as a resource for employees who have lost their jobs, who are afraid of losing their jobs, or who have a whistleblower complaint.  The Radio Hour’s Adam Howard) spoke with two of the site’s creators: Kate Green, who recently left the federal government for a job in the private sector, and a web developer who identifies himself as Milo – using a pseudonym, since he is still employed in the government.  “Both the beauty and the tragedy is that the work the government does is largely invisible,” as Milo put it. “You don't always know that it is USDA inspectors who are working in the slaughterhouses, who are making sure that work is being done in a safe and sanitary fashion … But they give a damn about making sure that food is safe. If that goes away, that's not immediately visible to people. And they don't necessarily know that these people have lost their jobs or that food is going to be less safe until people get hurt or worse. And so, we want to make sure that people start to understand what the cuts in these programs actually mean.”

Plus, this year, The New Yorker’s centennial, we’re revisiting some classics from the magazine’s past with a series called Takes). The novelist Michael Cunningham was already in his forties when Annie Proulx’s short story “Brokeback Mountain”—about two young men working as shepherds who unexpectedly fall in love—was published. “The New Yorker was not the first big-deal magazine to run a story about gay people. It wasn’t, like, ‘Oh, my God, a story, finally!,’ ” Cunningham recalls. But it made a huge impression nevertheless. “It was a story in The New Yorker about two gay men that was first and foremost a love story. . . . I didn't want to just read it; I wanted to absorb this story in a more lasting way.”  

Excerpts of Annie Proulx’s “Brokeback Mountain)” were read by Monica Wyche.