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What if the Supreme Court Ends Affirmative Action?

2023/3/17
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Femi Ogundele:取消平权行动后,大学在维持校园多样性方面面临巨大挑战。虽然可以使用一些替代方法,例如更全面地考虑申请者的背景和K-12教育经验,但没有完美的种族中立的替代方案能够完全实现校园多样化。加州的平权行动禁令对黑人申请者造成了特别大的负面影响,尽管采取了其他措施来提高校园多样性,但黑人学生的入学人数并没有恢复到禁令之前的水平。大学需要更努力地理解申请者的背景和经历,以弥补无法考虑种族带来的影响。 Ruth Simmons:取消平权行动将导致美国社会走向隔离,阻碍不同群体之间的互动和学习,最终损害国家整体发展。平权行动是必要的,因为它有助于弥合社会差距,促进不同背景的人们之间的理解和合作。取消平权行动可能会导致更多非洲裔美国人进入HBCU,但这并不是一个理想的结果,因为国家需要不同群体之间的互动与融合。 Lee Bollinger:大学采取平权行动是为了纠正历史上的种族歧视,促进学生群体多样化,这与民权运动的目标一致。反对平权行动的动机复杂,既有出于种族主义的动机,也有误解平权行动的动机。一些人认为,为了实现真正的种族平等,公共政策中不应该考虑种族因素,即使是为了好的目的。但仅仅关注经济因素而非种族因素来进行平权行动,实际上更有可能录取更多白人学生,无法有效解决种族多样性问题。 哥伦比亚大学或康奈尔大学学生:一些学生认为种族或族裔不应该在大学录取过程中扮演任何角色,录取应该只基于能力和成绩。也有一些学生认为自己的种族对其高中成功起到了重要作用,并认为在大学申请中也应该考虑种族因素。 Femi Ogundele: 取消平权行动后,大学在维持校园多样性方面面临巨大挑战。虽然可以使用一些替代方法,例如更全面地考虑申请者的背景和K-12教育经验,但没有完美的种族中立的替代方案能够完全实现校园多样化。加州的平权行动禁令对黑人申请者造成了特别大的负面影响,尽管采取了其他措施来提高校园多样性,但黑人学生的入学人数并没有恢复到禁令之前的水平。大学需要更努力地理解申请者的背景和经历,以弥补无法考虑种族带来的影响。 Ruth Simmons: 取消平权行动将导致美国社会走向隔离,阻碍不同群体之间的互动和学习,最终损害国家整体发展。平权行动是必要的,因为它有助于弥合社会差距,促进不同背景的人们之间的理解和合作。取消平权行动可能会导致更多非洲裔美国人进入HBCU,但这并不是一个理想的结果,因为国家需要不同群体之间的互动与融合。 Lee Bollinger: 大学采取平权行动是为了纠正历史上的种族歧视,促进学生群体多样化,这与民权运动的目标一致。反对平权行动的动机复杂,既有出于种族主义的动机,也有误解平权行动的动机。一些人认为,为了实现真正的种族平等,公共政策中不应该考虑种族因素,即使是为了好的目的。但仅仅关注经济因素而非种族因素来进行平权行动,实际上更有可能录取更多白人学生,无法有效解决种族多样性问题。 哥伦比亚大学或康奈尔大学学生:一些学生认为种族或族裔不应该在大学录取过程中扮演任何角色,录取应该只基于能力和成绩。也有一些学生认为自己的种族对其高中成功起到了重要作用,并认为在大学申请中也应该考虑种族因素。

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The Supreme Court is expected to rule on the future of affirmative action, potentially reversing decades of precedent and ending the practice of considering race in college admissions.

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In Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard, the Supreme Court’s conservative majority appears likely to strike down affirmative action, in a decision expected by this summer. The practice of considering race as a tool to counteract discrimination has been in place at many colleges and universities, and in some workplaces, since the civil-rights era. But a long-running legal campaign has threatened the practice for decades. David Remnick talks with two academics who have had a front-row seat in this fight. Ruth Simmons tells him, “For me, it’s quite simply the question of what will become of us as a nation if we go into our separate enclaves without the opportunity to interact and to learn from each other.” Simmons was the Ivy League’s first Black president, and more recently led Prairie View A. & M., in Texas. Lee Bollinger, while leading the University of Michigan, was the defendant in Grutter v. Bollinger, a landmark case twenty years ago in which the Supreme Court upheld affirmative action. The Court’s current conservative majority is likely to overturn that precedent.

Remnick also speaks with Femi Ogundele, the dean of undergraduate admissions at the University of California,Berkeley. Consideration of race in admissions at California state schools has been banned for nearly thirty years. “A lot of us are being kind of tapped on the shoulder and asked, ‘How are you doing what you’re doing in this new reality?’ ” he says. “I want to be very clear: I do not think there is any race-neutral alternative to creating diversity on a college campus,” Ogundele tells Remnick. “However, I do think we can do better than what we’ve done.”