'Marathon Man' With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan
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the greatest movie villains we will ever have well this has been the rewatchables we just peaked we're just never gonna top it when there's nothing better if you if you have a chance to get a vice angla in the movie you gotta you gotta do it man it's just you know you can have all these different types of villains you can make them as evil as you want

You can make them as intimidating, as tough as you want. But then you throw in Nazi war criminal walking through the jewelry district, hoping nobody recognizes him. And I'm like, we've peaked. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking about the, basically Pauline Kael called this a Jewish revenge fantasy marathon man. But I was thinking about what's, what's like the top of the line for that. And glorious bastards is probably number one. That would be the apex. Yeah. Marathon man's in there. Munich. For sure. Raiders. Yeah.

Well, he's not Jewish, but yeah. But the Nazis are the villains in there. Yeah. I mean, are you talking about just Nazi villains? Yes. Some just being in somewhere in the vicinity where at some point you're watching the movie going, we got to take these guys down. Yeah. Yeah. And this one has probably the single best villain of all those villains, which is weird. Cause he would go with the waltz and bastards. It's tough. It's tough. I think, uh,

Christian Zell, because of what his... He's got one move, and that move is pretty arresting. The dental work thing is like, you take that... Oh, I thought you were going to say the, I suddenly have a razor coming out of my sleeve. Oh, I guess he's got two moves. Yeah, so he's got two moves. But Walt's in... Landa is pretty amazing, and such an orator, and just an incredible...

like character in general, but Zell. Better entrance. Zell, although Zell's entrance with the opera, with him folding the shirt. Shaving his head. Yeah. Pretty solid. Yeah. But Waltz's first scene is pretty great. Yes. I don't know. They're in the finals. Pyramid? We'll work on social. Nazi villain Mount Rushmore. I want to find out who's, who's the number 35 to 43 ranked Nazi villain.

You know, it's funny. We can't have them anymore. Because now it's that you couldn't do this in the modern age because it's been too far away. They're making a push. You need like grandchildren of the war villains. It just doesn't have the same, in my opinion, the same kind of zest. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing that I think when you're watching this film, we talked about this, I think on a pod recently, and I can't remember which one it was, but it's crazy to watch this movie that's 40 years old.

And they're so much closer to World War II now in this movie than we are even to this movie now. I know. And so it's a very living, breathing thing. And the idea that this guy has come out of hiding and his actual victims are like, holy fucking shit, the devil has come back alive.

is like one of the most like terrifying arresting moments in movie history. And everything Olivier does with the character. And I can't wait to talk about Olivier. About Larry. Yeah. Sir Larry just, I think what's so great about the characters, he's, he's fully evil. Yeah. The torture scene. You, you can just see it. You're like, okay, I get it. I get that this guy is as dark as we can get as, as humans. But then when he's, there's a couple, like he's getting off in the, in the airport and,

He's in the jewelry district and he's got the right level of like, I'm actually nervous for my own safety. You don't see like vulnerable evil villains that often. He balances it perfectly. I think it was a case of the filmmakers playing into the realities of the actor. So Olivier is sick while making this movie. He's old. Like he can't do a lot of physical stuff. He can't do a lot of stunts. He can't move around that much.

But then every move he makes and everything he does takes on this huge amount of importance. Yeah. So they like played to his remaining strengths in the film itself. And the dentistry scene, which is one of the most horrifying things in movie history, is actually doesn't require a lot of him. Right. Like he's just sort of like pacing around this room a little bit and asking this question over and over and over again.

One of the greats. Yeah. Sir Larry. Yeah. Yeah, because you think, by all accounts, one of the greatest stage actors who ever lived. I don't know if he's one, two, three, where he ranks in the pyramid. It's like him and Barrymore. I may have the modernist era. He has to be mentioned if you're just being like, hey, who are the great stage actors? He always has to be mentioned. Yeah. But part of, I think, what made him great when he's playing like Richard III, things like that, is he's got this physical presence walking around the stage. So by the time we get to Marathon Man...

And there's been some unbelievable writing about this movie. Goldman has a whole chapter about it in his book about how physically frail he was and how hard it was for him to stand. But he's still an imposing guy. So he's just the perfect balance of old, frail, scary. I actually still believe he could kill Hoffman. Sure.

And it's just an awesome performance, which of course he does not win. But he was inspired. His character in this movie is the White Angel, but it was inspired by Mengele, who's the Angel of Death. And it was the same thing in the concentration camps. He would just see him with the white, they would see him with the white hair and they just knew. So it's based on that. Yeah, Goldman's idea. So this is based, Goldman wrote the screenplay based on his own novel and his story.

I think the genesis for the novel was what if Mengele had to come out of hiding or go to New York to get medical treatment. Right. Or to get, yeah, to get some sort of something. What happens when you put a character like that in play, a person like that in play, and then he builds out the world from around that. So he writes the book, he publishes it in 74. That's less than 30 years after World War II ends. Still pretty fresh. Like think about it now in 2025, 2026,

That's 95. So that's like basically the OJ trial. Yeah. Which doesn't seem like it happened that long ago, right? Even though it did, even though like Craig, you know, was born that year. Would have loved to hear Christian Zell's takes on the OJ trial. He probably would have been able to get a better confession out of OJ. Goldman writes the book knowing it's going to be a movie because it just reads perfectly as a movie, sells the film rights for 500K.

Bringing in our guy, Big Shot Bob, Robert Evans. So it's funny. Ali McGrath, the kind of legs that can stop a room. It's a wonderful picture. There's a making of, this is, I was going to save this for what's aged the best, but there is a making of Marathon Man on YouTube. I can't believe I missed this. 20 minutes. It's also, I think it's also on the 4K. It's Robert Evans,

his foot's up on the chair. He's got a Navy V-neck sweater and a perfectly like starched white shirt underneath. And he's standing there with his glasses and he's just like, ever since I came to Paramount, we love to make incredible pictures for everybody's entertainment.

You'll see in the waterworks, we recreated that in Paramount and spent no expense. Took up two sound stages. I can hear him sing. And the entire wall behind him is just pictures of Robert Evans. Yeah. He was like a parody of a parody of a parody. Yeah, Patton Oswalt did the greatest ever Robert Evans impersonation, but it's actually beyond impersonation. If you watch this video, I wish producers still did this today. I just think the 70s...

weren't just the apex of unintentional comedy. I don't think we'll ever even come 10% close ever again. No, the combination of cocaine and everything else is just incredible. You know, and it would manifest itself in some ways, like basically everything Telly Savalas did as Kojak. It's

The Battle Network stars the first couple years. There's a lack of self-awareness all over the place, but Bob Evans was the ultimate producer for that. No self-awareness. It would be fucking incredible, though, if we did the backdrop for you is just 100 pictures of you behind you.

I think LeBron might've done that for mind the game. They might've talked him out of it. Bob Evans said the book reads like the movie movie of all time. I regard it as a cheap investment because you don't often find books that translate into film. This is the best thing I've read since the Godfather. I knew I never should have let Ali McGraw leave with Steve McQueen.

I knew I'd never get it back. That son of a bitch Peckinpah. Two months with Steve McQueen, even I would have folded. So anyway, we had Bill Goldman, Bob Evans, and then they were like, let's just get a bunch of...

awesome, famous actors. And not to step on casting what-ifs, but they went, Bob Evans said, they actually went five for five with the people they wanted for the movie in the roles they wanted and just got all of them because everybody loved the script. Yeah, there was some rumors about if this person said no, we might look at this person or like John Schlesinger, the director, might have wanted this person, but it sounds like Evans got his first draft picks. Dustin Hoffman, Larry Olivier.

I like that they call him Larry. I can't wait to talk about my Lawrence Olivier deep dive in the Indian airport on Saturday. William Devane. Wait, so you did Olivier into Dylan Harper tape? Yeah. I'd finished my marathon man research and then went right into four hours of YouTube. And our guy, Roy Scheider. Yeah. Big time for him. Down for Bogota of the 1970s. Love that guy. The thinking man's action star. Still recovering from Sean saying he wasn't handsome. Yeah.

Remember Sean's whole thing? I mean, he's not conventionally handsome. He's got that nose. Sean just downed him. Yeah. Poor Ray Shatter can't even defend himself. Just not handsome enough for Sean. Hoffman's the lead. He's coming off of Lenny. This comes out same year as all the president's men. He loses 15 pounds, runs four miles a day. And Evan said Hoffman would quote, would run just for a take. He would run for a half mile. So he came into the scene. He would actually be out of breath.

This was the height of Dustin Hoffman, difficult method actor guy. Sure, yeah. And he pressed Olivier with it. He did. So hold that, because I want to get into some of those stories, because we had Olivier too. This leads to All the Presidents Been Marathon Man. The Straight Time in 78, you like that movie? I do. Agatha, Kramer vs. Kramer. That's 79, right? We covered that in the rewatchables. That's my favorite Dustin Hoffman movie and performance. Three years off, Tootsie.

Three years off, Death of a Salesman on TV. Two years off, Ishtar. He's doing a lot of stage stuff. Have we ever really had a Dustin Hoffman, how much did you like him conversation? We haven't. He's probably of that cohort of 70s actors, 70s associated actors. I would say not necessarily, like I go down to like Duvall, you know, like Paspecino, De Niro, Duvall,

Hackman, you know, like I get pretty far down the seventies before I'm like Hoffman's great. I mean, I think you can see like, it's an interesting point in his career because he can impose his creative choices on the material rather than the reverse. So if you read the book, babe is much chattier, much more, much funnier and is like kind of this like nervous, but he's all supposed to be like six foot one and kind of like a cut out a piece of rock, like a pretty big athlete.

And Hoffman, it like makes him into a much more damaged, much more nervous, much shyer kind of character, I think. And that was obviously not against it. The other side would have been a different kind of movie. It's a different kind of movie. It's like a little bit more playful. And I'd say the novel is more playful. It's weird. I'm with you. Like, I could list a whole bunch of 70s actors and 80s actors before I'm like, and then Hoffman.

You don't have a lot of conversations with people that are like, my favorite actor is Dustin Hoffman. That's my guy. I ride with Hoffman. But everybody agrees he's really good. He's almost like an athlete where you're like, yeah, I really respect him, but not a huge fan. Do you think maybe some of his films...

Like, I mean, all the president's men is like basically 50-50 him and Redford anyway, right? And he's awesome. He's incredible in it. But it's almost like he needs someone to play off of. And it really depends on who he's playing off of is kind of where it goes. Yeah, you wouldn't want to see him in The Revenant. No, I would not. Just climb into a bear naked.

I feel like that's the second Revenant reference you've made recently. I might have been scouting a little bit. You wouldn't want to see him in The Martian. You wouldn't want to spend two hours with him and Mars by himself. I wouldn't want to be in Cast Away with Dustin Hoffman. I wouldn't really want to be in a buddy cop movie with Dustin Hoffman. No. I think there are particular things that he's really good at, but I always feel like he's Dustin Hoffman in the movie. Do you feel that way for Hackman, though? Yeah.

Hackman, I feel like, because we get horny hacks. That's true. We get Hoosiers hacks. Angry hacks. I feel like he has different moves. But the Kramer versus Kramer guy versus this guy, are they that different?

They're all cerebral. I think they all have like a certain nervous energy. Yeah. Cerebral, nervous, little bit damaged. He's also an incredibly unconventional looking guy. You know what I mean? And tiny. Yeah. So it's a lot of these 70s stars, with the exception of Redford, and I guess Beatty, but even Beatty was kind of a weirdo, like have a really, really, really particular energy. It was a moment where guys who maybe in other times in Hollywood history would have been

character actors or become the biggest movie stars in the world. Well, one of the, I'll step on casting. What ifs? One of the reasons he took the movie was because he heard Pacino wanted to do it. And I think Pacino and Hoffman were on each other's corner in a bunch of different ways. Hoffman was up for Michael, wasn't he? I think I, I just feel like you had like the Redford side of like leading men guys over here.

and Newman and McQueen. And then you had kind of the Hoffman, Pacino, maybe De Niro a little bit, but the little artsy actor guys. And I think Hoffman and Pacino, Pacino did a better job of stretching the

and kind of falling into characters and losing himself in characters. I feel like in some movies, to me at least, Pacino's cooler. Like, he can be cool. Right. Hoffman rarely is. But it all worked out for him because he became, you know, he's definitely in the first sentence with all those guys. Yeah. But I just think he was, I always felt like he was a little more limited than some of those other guys. Like, I don't think he could have been Tony Montana.

You know? That would have been a really funny movie. I don't know if I would have wanted to see him in Dog Day Afternoon. Yeah. I don't know if I would have believed him as Serpico. I don't think he would have been fun as Vincent Hanna. The closest he gets to that is Straight Time. Which I think is a really interesting movie. I wish he had made like three more Zags. I guess Lenny is a Zag, but that's a pretty...

Yeah. That's a pretty dated movie. And then Lenny is the movie. Lenny's not a fun hang. In all that jazz, that's what Bob Fosse's editing. So when he keeps looking at the standup footage, it's supposed to be Lenny. Even if he'd been the shiner part in all that jazz, that would have been really fun. If he had been the lead in Jaws. Yeah. I don't know. It just seems like he was very particular about the parts he took, but this is like a classic Dustin Hoffman part. Yes. Right? Yeah.

It's perfect. He gets to be the hero. He's a little damaged. Yeah. He gets to stutter into, he does have that energy. It's full. It's full sent. He, he jogged, he lost 15 pounds. He probably like wore prosthetic fucked up teeth after the dental scene. Like he, he immerses himself in it. Craig, you have Dustin Hoffman thoughts.

I just, I think that I can't tell if the reason why there's not a lot of Dustin Hoffmans now is just because we need people who fit into more traditional buckets like, you know, action star or comedy guy or also, or if it's more just that the movies he was in aren't as popular now and don't get made now, which is why people like him aren't as famous. I don't know which one. It's kind of what we're talking about with Beatty, you know, like how come Beatty's movies are,

How come Beatty doesn't, like, I don't feel like his name has the instant recognition or the associations that Redford does. Because there is no Hoffman comp right now. Like, I don't know who I would pick. Because the movies that Hoffman is starring in that made a lot of money back in the day that made him famous aren't making a lot of money today. They're still being made. The closest thing I can think of is Jesse Eisenberg, but he's not as intense as Hoffman by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah, that's a good one. But Kieran Culkin honestly has some Hoffman-y qualities, but...

like if you put the two of them together, maybe it's like Hoffman, but I don't know. Well, by all accounts, um, pretty polarizing as a hang. Yeah. In some of these sets and some of the movies and Goldman was not a fan. He was not. Um, and Goldman was not shy about, uh, a couple of the actors that he didn't like. Well, Hoffman was apparently a big part of why the ending of the movie got changed and they brought in Robert town. Yeah. Hold on. I still have a part for that. We got to hit Olivia really fast. Um,

I think one of the great 20th century actors. Yeah. He clinched that one. He won two, he won an Oscar and two honorary Oscars. He went for Hamlin in 1949. He won five primetime Emmys. He was knighted in 1947. Yeah. They said that the two greatest things you could have seen him in were Othello and Richard III. Goldman wrote, if he could have seen two performances when he was younger, one of them would have been Othello. There's that awesome anecdote in Adventures in the Screen Trade where

Olivier keeps referencing his the last time he's been in New York and he references like these years and Goldman's like, I realized that like he's calling it 51, but that's actually like when he was doing glass menagerie or whatever. Right. And he's like, holy shit. It'd be like Tom Brady listing off Superbowl locations. Yeah, I was in New Orleans. So anyway, by the time we hit the seventies, he's, he thinks he's dying of cancer.

Takes the role to make more money for his family to leave some stuff behind. And he's on pain meds all the time. Rob Reavens had to get Lloyd's of London to insure him. One of the great insurers in the entire world. Yeah, had to talk to Lloyd himself. And he does the movie and then recovers. And then has this really weird IMDB stretch afterwards where he's in...

A bunch of TV movies. He's in A Bridge Too Far. He's in The Boys from Brazil. He's in A Little Romance, which is a really good movie. That was Diane Lane's first movie. He's in Dracula. He's in The Jazz Singer with Neil Diamond, which is one of the worst movies of the early 80s. He's in Clash of the Titans in 81 as Zeus. So all of a sudden he's grabbing some paychecks near the end there. But I mean, the reverence that everyone talks about acting with him, I don't know who that is now.

Where it's like, Olivier's in our movie. This is, I'm psyched out. It would be Daniel Day-Lewis, probably. Like 15 years from now. Yeah, if DDL came back and was like, you know what, I'll make a couple, I'll just make like five more movies. Yeah, I'll play Zell. Pat out the checking account. Oh my God, that's DDL. Devayne, Goldman had this thing. I'm just going to read it.

He's talked about they broke from a scene. I cornered Devane, who is bright and very articulate. I told him how wonderfully he had done and asked what it was like rehearsing with Laurence Olivier. It doesn't matter, Devane replied. I didn't know what in hell he was talking about and said so. This is rehearsal, Devane said. It's nothing. When the camera starts to roll, he'll give me a little of this, he'll give me a little of that, and you'll never know I'm in the movie. No one's going to be watching me. That's Olivier, man.

That's how everyone thought about him, except for Hoffman. Who's like, let's fucking improvise, Larry. Let's go. Hoffman's like Anthony Edwards. He's like, I don't care. Well, so that Goldman tells this long story of him making Olivier rehearse Hoffman and making him stand. And it was clear to everyone in the set that Olivier was starting to really fade and improvise. And everyone thought it was like this power play. And then Hoffman said after the story wasn't true and

I'm going to go with my guy Goldman because he doesn't make shit up. But this leads to, I'm going to put this category right here. The Steven Seagal shitting on himself award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. It goes to Laurence Olivier. His portrayal as Henry V. So the story was method acting. There's a method acting thing and Hoffman was up. This is the story. I'm not saying it's true.

Hoffman said he was up three days to try to simulate what it would be like to be up for three days. And he's telling Olivia about this and Hoffman had, he was just rubbing Olivia the wrong way. And Olivia finally said about method acting, my dear boy, why don't you just try acting? Yeah. And everyone that said it was like, Oh, it was like just this huge cut down.

And this became a legendary Hollywood story. It's gotten told in 13 different ways by everybody who was like a part of it from Goldman to Hoffman, uh, Schlesinger, like everybody has got their version of how it happened. Whether he was joking, whether he was serious. Hoffman's version is he had been going to studio 54 a lot and that he had been partying a lot. And the problem is studio 54 wasn't, uh, open until the year after. So that's where his story falls apart.

because it opened in 1977, the year after the movie came out. You got Johnny Cochran over here. Sorry, sorry, Dusty. He said on Inside the Actor's Studio, the exchange was distorted and he had been up all night at a nightclub and Olivier was merely joking. It's too famous of a story. I also don't think there's a lot of people like protecting Dustin Hoffman at this point because he seems a little prickly. Yeah. So, yeah.

He also said Hoffman on the last day of shooting, Olivier visited him. He brought him a book, The Complete Works of William Shakespeare, and then proceeded to read scenes from several of the plays for Hoffman

And Hoffman said he was an absolute delight. They loved each other. And then he said, Goldman made up this stuff or exaggerated it because he was mad. Cause they changed the ending. Yeah. Again, I'm going to go with Goldman. Yeah. It's, it's incredible. We don't really have enough of this anymore where I think for like several decades, Hoffman and Goldman were essentially like trash talking each other whenever they would be asked to talk about marathon man. Yeah. And, um,

And simultaneously, he was also trash talking with Redford. Yes. And then Redford came up with this whole alternate version of how all the president's men allegedly happened. Exactly. Yeah. So they neither. I mean, that's the most famous movie book anyone's ever written. Yeah. First one. And both of those guys really resented it. Sure. And I mean, for Goldman, it's his novel. It's his screenplay. And then the star has his ending rewritten.

By, like, arguably the only screenwriter who's bigger than him, Robert Towne. So who do you believe? I like Goldman's version better. I still think he would make it up. He was, like, a very prideful guy. He remembers everything. And I think he's also pretty, like, honest about his shortcomings and the times he's fucked up. Right. He's very self-deprecating, and he's the first one to criticize himself. So in this case...

They changed the ending and we'll get in all this. I can't remember which one in Adventures in the Screen trade where he's like, I screwed, like, was it right stuff? Where he's just like, I just didn't do this well. Yeah. And then they, they completely like saved it. So he's honest about his failures. Yeah, no question. I mean, he, and he went into like huge writing slumps and all kinds of things. So, um, listen, it was the seventies and these guys had huge egos and they get studios account out to them and all of them took advantage of it. And,

that was it. But, uh, I'm team Olivier and team, team Goldman. So, um, Olivier was nominated for best supporting actor. He did not win, but it's quite a category. Robards wins for all the presence men, Ned Beatty network, Burgess, Meredith, Rocky, Bert, young Rocky as Polly Panino.

And then Olivier. I'm good with Robarts. Stacked category. Robarts is amazing in the movie. You're good with that, right? Yeah, Beatty. I think Beatty's like in third there behind Olivier. And then Hoffman did not get nominated. But he did for Presidents? No. Oh. Nothing. $6.5 million budget made $28.2 million. And we should have mentioned this sooner.

The kind of movie that just doesn't exist anymore. No, this would be a prestige TV show by far. Or it would be like an Apple movie that they hired two huge stars for. It had a huge budget, but it was almost too big. I mean, if you made this movie today...

You just, nobody would. I was just thinking about all the scenes that are outdoors in Paris and New York City. Like, I don't even know how much that would cost. Like, they shoot on the street in New York. There are scenes where it's like,

They must have had different rules about extras back then because people are looking at the camera. So it's obviously they're just running around these cities handheld with Hoffman and Scheider. Yeah, they just seem they're in the jewelry district with 500 people. I don't know how they do it. It's incredible. Yeah, so it would probably be, you read, probably a scripted. But it's also a perfect 70s movie in a lot of ways. It's certainly the place where our interests converge. It is a political conspiracy thriller movie.

meets a revenge thriller. So it's about like...

all this like this pent up historical anxiety, the Jewish factor, the Nazis, but it's also about a guy who's been living inside of his brain for a long time. Who's forced to like step out and become a physical force and defend himself, which is basically what a lot of like, we talked about it with death wish, but a lot of the movies and Hoffman's made other movies like that with straw dogs and stuff. Yeah. And we should have, I should have said this sooner too, but the, the paranoia piece of it,

It's just so specific to this era and it's so good. It's like so on my wheelhouse. There's something about the vibes of these movies.

Where it's just like, don't trust anyone ever. Everything is shadowy. At night, there's never people around. It's always dark. You just never know who's coming around a corner. There's always could be like some sort of henchman, even in a park. Yeah. Just some henchman could just mug you and you don't know what their intentions are. Yeah. They make the everyday seem surreal. Like you can shoot at the Library of Congress and all the president's men, or you can shoot

somebody's apartment in Harlem in Marathon Man and make it seem like this German expressionist kind of setting where the entire world is pushing down on these characters. It's honestly one of my favorite kinds of movies is these 70s thrillers. Yeah, we've talked about it. It's a specific era

It's coming out of Watergate. It's coming out of Vietnam. It's coming out of the JFK assassination and the RFK assassination, the MLK assassination, and just people not knowing what to believe anymore. Who were the good guys? Who were the bad guys? And you could see a movie like this where you could feel like you could be Babe. You're just studying for...

Some exam or something. Yeah. Oh, you're in your bathtub. And then all of a sudden somebody's breaking down your door and trying to get you. Isn't it an interesting turnover where, cause we did star Wars and I think the, the thrill of star Wars is every kid who watches it can say to themselves, like, what if I was Luke Skywalker? Like, what if I saved the galaxy and I was the special person, but the, the thrill of these movies is like, what if every dark fantasy I had is true?

and everybody is out to get me. Yeah. And the government is following me. And I mean, it's just such a weird changeover in the seven, in just one decade, they change over to like, no, no, no. Like what if the galaxy, like you could fix it all. Yeah. And then it moves into the eighties and everybody's like, you know, it'd be cool being rich. Here's a movie about that. Hey, here's another movie. You know what? If an alien came,

6.5 million budget, 20.2 million makes it, and Ebert goes three stars. He said, if holes and plots bother you, Marathon Man will be maddening, but as well-crafted escapist entertainment as a diabolical thrower, the movie works with relentless skill. I'm going to give this...

It's like a half fuck you rush. Yeah. I think he robbed it of a half star. Should we start giving stars to Ebert's stars? I was just about to say that. We have to review Ebert. Because I think this is a two-star review for a three-star movie that we actually think is four stars. Listen, if he wanted to say three and a half because there's a couple plot holes...

I would have been upset about it, but if this movie came out now, we would be like, oh my God. I know. They figured it out. Movies are back. And this was just like another movie in 1976 that was really good. But we were just cranking these out 10, 12 a year. Yeah. And even when they didn't work, it was like Black Sunday, which is like a really cool movie that doesn't totally work, but it's still fun to watch. Ebert says something earlier in his review that's paraphrasing is just like,

On a moment to moment, it only matters, thrillers only, it only matters if a thriller is believable on a moment to moment basis. Like, on any thriller, you can step back and be like, what the fuck is Vertigo about? Like, come on. And you can do that with this movie, but when that music comes in, the Michael Small music comes in, and the shadows, and the weird moments, and just like everybody kind of milling around, and you don't know who's a spy and who's not, it's just like, who cares about the plot? Yeah.

It's so funny when you read the reviews, especially Pauline. Yeah. Everybody's expectations were so high for every movie. It's hilarious. Yeah. Ebert's just like, ah, didn't quite get there. Like Lawrence Libby playing an evil Nazi. He's like, ah, I don't know. Three stars. Solid. Let's take a break and then we'll do the categories.

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All right. Most rewatchable scene. We got to start with the crazy car chase. Old man road rage. Yeah. Old man road rage. Uh, I, I, this also wins the Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting award for both drivers. Uh, I think, Hey, fuck you. I have a different winner for Ruffalo. Okay. It's for me. It wins it. Um, it just goes on and on. It's very seventies. I think this would be a much more exciting car accident 50 years later for filming it. But, uh,

Very fun to watch. The drive into the oil truck is a little like... It's a little naked gun-ish. You guys could have broke. It's a little naked gun-ish. The hotel fight scene. Just all of the doc stuff in Paris. Roy Scheider. Looking like a bag of leather. What's your move when somebody comes around with you with a piano wire? I mean, there's only one move. You just gotta do this right away, right? You gotta. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

Cause if you fuck that up, you're just immediately done. Yeah. You're dead. So you got to do this, but then what's the second move? Uh, elbow. I hope I never have to find out what my second. Yeah.

I'd probably go headbutt. So up, headbutt. Maybe like lifting the leg, trying to kick in the balls. Yeah. Yeah. You said the piano wire. I think the single most underrated movie. And then I turn around and I'm like, stop! Did you hear Devers got traded? To the Giants! It just happened! His war was a little low this year. I think piano wire is the single most terrifying movie.

thing next to dental equipment yeah well i'm saying like when the bad guys come in they could give they could do nunchucks like you we've seen every sort of device it does seem like because you're getting hurt even if you're stopping it you're still getting like eight stitches in your hand the way his blood is fucking hurting out oh my god god you're just slicing tendons i also love the old guy in the balcony across yeah the watcher guy yeah

So these are two scenes together, but I'm putting them together. They're both for Shatter. Doc drops in on Babe and then Doc goes to lunch with Babe and Elsa. Love that combo. When he drops in on Hoffman, it becomes a play for like four minutes and it's just crackling dialogue. It's just really good. Two good actors sizing each other up.

Throw in some pitches at each other. It's really good stuff. Also, you just learn so much about them from Doc's reaction to Babe writing about their dad. He's like, I don't want to see this shit. You learn everything you need to know about those guys. And then with Elsa, he's like...

Just rope-a-dopes her. And then he goes, I've made all this up. There is no verbia. There is no Mount Rosa. There's no Claude Lassure. She's like, what? Pretty fun. Fun rope-a-dope trick. All right. Doc goes to see Zell and then Babe and gets stabbed to death and then shows up all bloody. Yeah. We get a good Hoffman scream. Here we go. Hoffman in the bathtub right into the torture scene. I think this is most rewatchable for me. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's a tough watch. Him in the bathtub is about as good as it gets for a what would I do if I was in this situation? Try to crawl out the window. Everyone's fear of just being naked if you're about to be murdered. Just be like, I just got to get some pajamas on before you kill me. Hold on. Can you hold on one second with the piano wire? Just give me one minute here. Just got to get some pants on. Yeah. But then the way they're screwing the doorframe, that's like, all right. And then the window's not big enough to get out of.

And then we get right into the Olivier. Is it safe? Yeah. Is it safe? Yes, it's safe. It's very safe. So safe you wouldn't believe it. Is it safe? I think that's another good scary movie device when somebody's just saying this incoherent sentence over and over again that you don't have an answer for. So, Craig. Yo. Did you, had you heard of Is It Safe before you saw this movie? No. No.

What did you think of this scene? I thought it was incredible. Yeah. I thought the, I agree. I think the bathtub scene is one of the scarier, most suspenseful scenes I've seen in a long time. And for how, this movie's very quiet in a lot of moments and it's terrifying. Also, I think just, I just, nobody lays in baths anymore. No. Nobody just ruminates. Except me. I'm the only one. Nobody ruminates in a bath anymore. What are you talking about? I invented baths.

Didn't have them before I started taking them. 19th century prostitutes didn't invent baths. No, I invented them. Baths were out before I started taking them. You still take baths? I do. Wow. It's good for my lower back. Oh, that's good. No, I still read there. Okay. Used to read books. Now I bring the iPad in there and read that. Read tweets? Yeah, just going through Twitter. X.

Did Elon do anything today? Whoa, crazy one, Elon. Yeah, the is it safe? I love scenes in movies where you're watching going. And, you know, Tarantino, I think very smartly, some of the stuff that he kind of... Some of his like torture stuff? Some of the stuff he borrowed from the 70s as homages or just things that he liked. And one of the things that he was really good at is the...

I don't know where this scene is going, but I know I should be scared. Yeah. And I have a charismatic somebody who's up to something. Michael Madsen dancing with the razor blade. Exactly. That's basically a marathon. Right? And you're just like, what? So in this, it's like, why does he keep asking? He said, safe. What the fuck is this guy up to? Yeah. It's almost like...

I don't even know if, like, after the first 10 or 15 times I saw this movie, if I even thought about, like, what he was actually asking. Because, you know, it's basically like, am I going to get robbed at the bank? Yeah. But you're just like, this is such an existential, almost, like, unanswerable question. Yeah. And this is the moment where this is why you get Hoffman. It's like, for every scene where you may be like, all right, Dustin, you're dialing it up a little bit, or, like, you don't have to run Larry in circles here. This is the scene where he is...

as scared as any normal person would be and him being like i can't how can i possibly answer a question i don't know what you're asking me you know like yeah um john henry caught when he called me about the deborah's trade he wouldn't tell me what it was he just kept asking if it was safe but i was like no john henry don't trade her best hitter oh fuck well the other torture scene after the rope-a-dope from william devane my guy yeah two a lot of rope-a-dopes in this movie

And Olivier says, a live, freshly cut nerve is infinitely more sensitive. And you're just like, just fucking, can you just shoot me? How about just kill me? Yeah. Please. That's because the Mookie Beck's tooth was dead. And the Xander tooth was dead. So they cut a new one, Rafi.

I got the Roman Anthony Marcella Meyer teeth in the way back. Hoffman said Olivier got inspiration for the torture scene from seeing a gardener prune roses shortly before the shooting. I don't know if I totally believe this. I'm not sure Olivier needed a lot of inspiration. But he said that Olivier realized that Zell was a craftsman.

that he used tools with skill. This also has a great exchange with Devane and Olivier. I believe in my country.

Devane says and Olivia's like, so did we all. Evil Nazi was some good points. Zell's accent being kind of like from nowhere is so creepy. Everything about him is so creepy. He's not coming around being like, we have vids of making you talk, Dr. Jones. He's been in South America for a long time. It's just kind of this flat accent. He does an amazing job of you can feel the baggage of

all the horrible things he's done and probably still has in him deep down because that stuff never goes away. It's not like, hey, I'm not an evil guy anymore. Like at some point, you are who you are. It's in your DNA. And you could feel it in the DNA still with him. And when he's torturing Babe, you can see there's 20% of him is like, oh man, I'm back. Yeah. This is great. Just fucking with people again. I really miss this. Zell in the Diamond District getting recognized. Zell!

Unreal, man. This scene's just the best. The guy at first, he's in there with the two guys. And one of them's kind of like... Because he sees the tattoo. I know you. Perhaps you do. I'm pretty good at faces myself. Christopher Hess, how do you do? Christopher Hess, how do you do? Wait, wait. Let me think. I think...

One of them's kind of side-eyeing him a little bit. And we get a little wrist knife. And it all leads to him opening the security deposit box and finding the diamonds, which is an awesome Olivier scene. Yeah. I like the camera shot, too, of just him opening it. It's also great that this incredibly evil person who you think has an ideology is just like a craven. He's just greed. He just wants his money. It's hard to identify with that theme now. 2025. It sure is.

And then the showdown at the end would be the other one. What do you have for most rewatchable? I guess Is It Safe? I mean, it's the most iconic scene from the film. I happen to really love everything with Doc and Paris. It's just so evocative and creepy. It's like a whole other movie. Chen and the stroller and the opera. I love all that stuff. But Is It Safe is the most rewatchable scene. What's the most 1976 thing about this movie? What do you have? I have OG Nazis still in the mix. Yeah. Walking and talking.

That's the answer. I will also have a training for a marathon being a rogue thing. Like what are you doing? Trying to run a marathon. People like a marathon. Yeah. What's that? 26.2 miles. Can you smoke while you do that? You run every day.

Nobody's chasing you. You just run. He's just, so you just run and then you finish running? Yeah. Then what do you do? Another low-key 76 thing is just New York City, 1976. Yeah. The best movie location on the planet. I also have a stealth gay subplot that can't really be addressed because of when they made the movie.

It's not super addressed in the novel. Like they just acknowledge more addressed than Jamie and Scylla are together. And that, that, but like, it doesn't, and it certainly impacts like Janeway's betrayal, but yeah, it's never explicit. This was actually pretty racy for 76. And also like, I think one of the first times I was like to my mom, I was like, what's going on with those guys? Yeah. Like, you know, I didn't, yeah, I was like 10 or whatever, 12.

What's the most 76 thing about this movie? I also have diamonds being worth 15 K a carrot. Probably higher now. Probably higher. Yeah. Creepy mid seventies. Everyone's up to something movies. Sure. And then my winner McCarthy is in victims as a crucial plot device. Yep. You don't see this anymore. No.

Be like if one of our relatives was a McCarthyism victim and it would just come up on the rewatchables every once in a while. Give it time. Maybe we can come up with a new McCarthy here. There might be a new ism. What saves the best? I have a bunch. What do you have? Um...

First of all, the location shooting in New York City and Paris, there's just no... This is like the ultimate, like, you can't do New York and Toronto. Like, you can't do this stuff. I love, love, love Doc's death when he's like, frankly, I don't give a... Yeah.

and it's outside they actually shot that in la yeah and they so it's downtown la it's like some skyscraper down there and i love the setting for that and it's that's like the peak creepy 70s conspiracy scene with like the red the fountain through the glass what else do i have for what stage the best it's always awesome to re-watch these conspiracy thrillers when you know the plot

So you can go back and see also the first time it's like, oh, so she was stalking him. You know, like that stuff's great. When a famous star is in a movie and dies way sooner than expected. Yes. They call this the Janet Leigh. Yeah. From Psycho. Psycho. But Shider being in this movie, you just assume he's going to make it the whole way and then he's dead 40 minutes in. Dentistry is torture. Yeah.

It's torture anyway, and this movie really embraced it, but it's a what's aged the best. Did this movie change your relationship to dentistry? No, I disliked it. Yeah. Anyway, how about you? It makes me think that my physical reaction to dentistry is just like alarm and I want to fly away. I want to get away from it, and this movie gives it a horror. But I just don't like people in my mouth tapping at things and scraping at things. I'll do it. Gotta do it.

Devane saving babe, but not really, which I would call the fake out plot swerve. I always like when this happens in the movies where it seems like the guy's being saved or the girl.

But then they're just get pumping for information. And then you circle back and it's like, wait, that's where we just let. Oh, it's such a distinctive street that babe runs down to get away. Yeah. And you see the graffiti. And when Devane's car pulls past the graffiti again, you're like, no, no. And then he's like, you killed them. Yeah. You killed them. It's also a really good exposition dump because Devane explains the whole diamond courier thing. Right. To babe.

And then it's like, oh, but it doesn't matter because babe's going to get tortured. I have anyone opening a safety deposit box in a movie. I'm not not watching. It doesn't matter what the movie is. It could be a freaking rom-com on Netflix. Inside Man, Marathon Man. Yeah, just always good. Running on a highway ramp and doing the jump to the lower highway ramp, which is also no way out. You got me every time.

Yeah. Nobody ever sprains an ankle, breaks a tibia. Somehow it always works. The cab always is like, cool, I'll stop for this guy who looks like he's been tortured in his pajamas. No car ever runs a person over. This is a good one for what's aged the best. When someone's random non-fight training comes in handy. Marathoning. In an action movie. Where it's like, oh, the marathoning. Now it's going to pay off. I'm just going to outrun these fucking guys. Like I'm in the Boston Marathon. They just did that with the amateur. Yeah. It's a good movie. I like the amateur. I told my dad.

After I texted two people after I saw the image of my dad and you, and I told my dad, I'm like better than a five o'clocker. I'd be like a six 30, seven o'clocker, but he watched it the next day. He was like really good. Not a huge Rami Malek fan, but I really liked it. Anyway, a couple more marathon man used the steady cam. It was the third movie. They used it bound for glory and Rocky also used it, but it was the first movie that came out. They used it. So we had that with this was released before. Yeah. Yeah.

And then, um, Goldman had a whole thing about how Hoffman objected to having the flashlight next to him and the object. And when his brother shows up and, uh, and Celestia Durr convinced him and Goldman said it was because Hoffman didn't want to seem like he was chicken. Right. Yeah.

And this was a big Goldman thing in all his writings about how stars want to be perceived, which is so interesting. Like they want to be the heroes. And even though the baby is getting beaten on and through this entire movie, he's like, no, I don't want him to be a pussy when he's in his apartment. Yeah. And meanwhile, it feels like he's half the movie. He feels like a puss. Uh, last one, William Devane's 1976 and 1977 two year stretch. He's in family plot. Hitchcock's last movie. He's in marathon, man.

Bad News Bears 2 Breaking Training. One of the great performances. This is Kelly Leak's dad. Yeah. One of the great, great, great sports dad coach performances. Craig, check it out. And then Rolling Thunder, your movie. I love Rolling Thunder. Those four out in a row. It's incredible.

I love Devane. You know, he, so I did some research cause I was trying to figure out why he wasn't more popular. Big stage guy. Yeah. But also like he, he was JFK in the missiles of October TV movie. That was a huge movie with him and Martin Sheen and TV like 74. And he got kind of typecast as like the JFK guy. Oh, interesting. I was trying to break out of it. I always thought he was really good. He ended up on like knots landing. I also did a lot of Olivier research. I forgot to mention about his, uh, he was married three times, uh,

Joan Plowright at the end, right? Right. But he was married to the Gone with the Wind lady. Vivian Leigh. He got divorced because he started having an affair with her. Oh. And then they ended up together and ended up doing a whole bunch of plays together. But then, you know, occasionally she just would hook up with another guy that she was in a movie with. And then he might do the same thing with an actress. But then they would get back together. Yeah.

And then she would go off again and have an affair with somebody else. And it's just the way the thirties and forties and fifties moved where people are like, yeah, I couldn't resist. I had to go fuck him in my trailer. Sorry. And I don't know. I don't know if it works that way. It's funny to go back and watch Mad Men and just be like, how soon would the wife just be like, you're fucking out and I'm taking half of your money to Don Draper. Yeah. It just wasn't like that back then. Yeah. So anyway, our guy built the vein.

Great job by him. What'd you have for Big Kahuna Burger Award best use of food drink? I got three things. Okay. One, the clove oil extract that they rub on the tooth. Great. Two, truffles on crout, which is what Doc tells Elsa to get at the restaurant. But honestly, this movie gets the reverse kahuna. You don't want to eat after seeing this movie. Oh, because you have an exposed root here too? Yeah. Great shot, Gordo. So many.

I really like the shot of him opening the security deposit box. I also like they have in the water factor or whatever the fuck that is, that wide shot of them. The water works, yeah. There's a wide shot of them kind of circling each other that I thought was really good, but there's a lot of good stuff in this. So I have anything from Doc's murder, the red steps, the fountain, that stuff. Conrad Hall shot this. He's one of my favorite cinematographers. Absolutely amazing. I love the shot.

When Doc is in Paris and he walks out onto his balcony in Paris and the cameras goes through another window and extends out. And then the Eiffel tower's there. I'm just like, holy shit. Yeah. This is incredible. Conrad's cooking. Yeah. Yeah. And then my favorite might be just for absolute total creep is when,

doc is coming out of the opera and the soccer ball rolls up to him and he's just like and the woman is like his his partner has disappeared and then just a soccer ball comes up then he's like fuck that's like a classic 1976 scene that doesn't even pay off yeah it's just like why is this here now it'd be the conjuring kid cody pursuit of happiness award for best needle drop i think it's the opera with olivier yeah although the score is getting dressed yeah like seeing the german newspapers

Good, like, exposition in that scene. It was like, all right, this guy's creepy. Chest Rockwell, Brock Landers were best character name. Dr. Christian Zell. It's up there. His flunkies being named Carl and Earhart were pretty good, though. Yeah. We'll take a break, and then you got a flex category.

All right. CR's choice flex category. What do you got? When would I have died? I was wondering if you're going to do this. Probably in the bathtub. I probably like, maybe I can just drown myself. Like, I just don't want to experience this anymore. I think I die in the bathroom as well. Yeah. Cause you can't get out the window. Maybe cut your wrists with like a razor or something like that. I know it's morbid, but like, if you knew on the other side was, is it safe? Yeah.

But he doesn't know that yet. No. I would also just have a heart attack when the dental tools got unrevealed. Yeah, dental tools and a German accent in 1977. Can you just jab that in my temple?

I have no answers. Just kill me right here. Right here. No, I don't know if it's safe. Just right here. Let me make an X. I'm never going to love again after this. You can just take me out. Butch's girlfriend, a word weak link of the film. Unfortunately for this one, it's the girlfriend. So you don't like Elsa? I just don't. It's the weakest part of the film that she's working for Zell the whole time. She's very pleasant.

I don't think she's kind of up to stuff enough. Yeah. And then I have no idea why we go to the farmhouse. It's such a weird part of the movie. I just don't get it. In the book, you find out Elsa's working for Zell after the first meeting in the library. So it's an interesting difference between the novel and the screenplay where in the novel, you're like the whole time, you're like, Elsa's bad. Elsa's bad. When doc figures it out at lunch, you're like, Oh, interesting. Yeah.

But in the movie, it kind of comes out of nowhere when it's like, not only like, yeah, I've like been working for Zell this whole time. I think she's good, especially to be like a German who could pass for Swiss, speak some French, that kind of thing. She's pretty. I don't know what a Swiss accent sounds like, but she sounds German the whole time. Yeah. I have no idea why we go to the farmhouse.

I just don't understand. I think he's supposed to be basically incapacitated in the book. It's like she, she shows up cause he's like, go get a car and meet me at this drug store. And she's like, I got the car and the guy whose car it is. This neighbor of mine has a, like a house upstate. We'll go there. I get it. It just feels like they wanted to get out of New York city for a couple of scenes. Yeah. But I just would have not done that at all. And I would have spent more time with Roy shatter. Cause we can talk about,

This isn't what stage the worst. I'll just do it now. But an eight and a half minute sequence was shot of Doc fighting with some guys who killed a spy colleague. That's a huge part of the book. And Goldman thought it got cut because of the violence because they cut down the, is it safe scene too? And the, and the shite or death. And the shite or death. Like, cause he basically gets disemboweled when he gets, so they, they, they did a lot of stuff based on this one previous screening they had where everybody thought it was too violent.

uh, and Goldman said, we've rushed at her. He's coming off jaws. This was a big part of the reason why he took this role and we cut that scene. But now we're adding eight minutes of the farmhouse for no reason at all. And the whole thing is, I'd say it's my one thing that every time I watch this movie, I'm like, God damn it. And then he could just get away, but he's like, come on in three evil guys. And let's talk this out. It's like, I just don't understand any of it. I would also say that, uh,

Especially on repeat viewings, I don't love the flashbacks to his childhood. There's nothing in there other than Babe being there when his dad kills himself.

that I didn't know from the movie itself and that you can't intuit from the movie itself. And the movie doesn't go into depth about so many things like Janeway and Doc's relationship and all this other stuff. But like, we get like five cutaways to childhood. It feels like they were really trying to stay faithful to the book. Yeah. But that's not really even in the book. I mean, they talk about the dad in the book, but there's not like, he's like always thinking, I don't know. I thought it was like, it's not something that worked for me on this and this run through.

More would stage the worst. Um, stalking a girl home for the first date. Oh, 76. Yeah. It drives me absolutely fucking bonkers that babe doesn't keep the diamonds and the money. I just hate that in every movie where somebody is like, you know what? Morally, I can't do it. It's like, just fucking take the diamonds. What are you doing? Take, there's just cash. Just grab it.

What are you doing? You're too good to put some cash in your pocket. Yeah. Just get this guy. Your apartment is looking good right now. By the way, you need some dental work. Maybe the cash can go. And you let Melendez take your television. Right. You have no apartment. Your family's dead. Maybe take the diamonds. I don't know. And then, uh, what saves the worst? Just the concept of Nazi criminals in a movie. Cause in 2025, they wouldn't exist. Yeah.

So it's aged or worse just because it's aged. What else do you have? The way Babe's apartment must have smelled. Because he's coming back from long distance running training. Smells like a hockey locker room. Wearing a full sweatsuit of like old school Russell athletic sweats. Yeah. Basically wearing Adidas, old Adidas running shoes. Then he strips down sweating his balls off and he starts reading history textbooks. Yeah.

Can you imagine? Not a lot of natural light coming in there. Probably some fungus. Yeah. Good call. Yeah. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? We kind of alluded to this earlier. I would rather have Roy Shires 1970s than Dustin Hoffman's 1970s.

Scheider's highlights for the 70s are Clute, French Connection, 7-Ups, Jaws, Marathon Man, Sorcerer, Jaws 2, all that jazz. Listen, I'm on Scheider Island. I've been there the whole time. Hoffman goes Little Big Man, Papillon, Lenny, All the President's Men, Straight Time, Kramer vs. Kramer. I'll take Scheider. I would take him over Hackman.

He just gets, I remember asking Goldman about this once because he loved Scheider. We might've even talked about this on one of the other rewatchables. I was like, what, what was he missing? And he's like, I don't know. You know, he didn't age that great by the time we get to the eighties. Yeah. When he's in 2010, he's pretty, he's looking pretty. Yeah. My guess is there were a lot of cigarettes, so I don't think he aged in a classic way, but I was thought he was amazing. I think he's amazing in Jaws. Yeah.

I don't get it. Yeah. It's like when you, he's like William Holden where you're like, are you 39 or 61? How old is he in this movie? I have no idea. Yeah. My hottest take. It's a two parter. I think if you're making this in 1976, if we could do it over again, it's a better Harrison Ford part. He's young. He hasn't been in star Wars yet. I think he's been in American graffiti. He's got the size from the book. I would have believed him as a runner. Nobody's better than Harrison Ford. If people are coming after him, um,

Little more handsome. I could believe the Elsa thing more. I just think it's, I think it's a better movie. Yeah. So this is pre Raiders. So you wouldn't associate him with being like, Oh, this guy's going to kick Zell's ass. Yeah. It's not like that. It's you're right. He would be great. Great. But in 1984, I,

This is an epic Tom Cruise part. Oh, it's TC all the way. This is TC fucking... He gets to run. He gets to pretend he knows a lot about history. He gets to torture. Yeah, he gets to seduce a hot foreign lady. He gets to run again. He gets to run a third time. He gets to freak out. He probably watched Marathon Man like, fuck. I mean, I'm sure... I'm surprised he doesn't remake it now. It's the most cruisiest part that's not a cruise movie. Casting what ifs.

So when Olivia had health problems, they had Richard Widmark in the bullpen. Which I kind of like. Yeah, warming up. And then, this is a tough one for both of us. Schlesinger won in Charlotte Rampling for Elsa. Couldn't get her. Settled on Martha Keller. Marthy Keller? Mart. Mart Keller? Yeah, according to Robert Evans. The new international, why don't you do Mart Keller? You're gonna love it. Charlotte Rampling in this movie. It would have been illegal.

Also, how many times can Charlotte Rampling double cross our guys? You know, if she did this in marathon and then did the verdict. I don't, I, now I'm happy to go to the, to the upstate New York for eight minutes with Charlotte. Let's go check out that house. Anywhere else we want to go? Want to go apple picking? Yeah. Yeah. She's definitely smoking. Um, I could totally believe the double cross in a completely different way.

I don't know. The other person I saw in my research was Julie Christie, which I suppose I'd bring up just because in Super 70s we are. Yeah, the double cross for her. I'm not buying as much. Yeah. I have that in recasting couch director city too. Charlotte Rampling is also. Yeah. Just like no question. Best that guy. Well, we have a runner up. Carlos Mendez from the Miami Vice Calderon's Revenge episode. He plays Melendez. When Tubbs hits the glass.

at the beginning of the part two. And Philip Michael Thomas is like, come on, Mendez! You gotta talk, sucker! He's doing that whole thing. He's in this movie. He's the guy that Hoffman asked to rob his place. It's creepy. It's creepy. But that's not the winner. No. Because our winner is, of course, Al Neary from The Godfather. Richard Bright's in this movie. Richard Bright. Hands down. So...

I for some reason never gone to his IMDb before and didn't realize he was the dad in Beautiful Girls. No. He was Timothy Hutton's dad in Beautiful Girls. Are you serious? Yeah. That's Al Neary from The Godfather. Oh, God. I guess I have to go back and watch Beautiful Girls again. He was the dad of Timothy Hutton and David Arquette. I gotta go take a shit. Those are his three biggest parts. Richard Brait.

So he plays Al Neary in one and two, by the way. And he can play Italian American heavy and German heavy. Nobody ever did more with a blank face. Yeah. He's got like two lines across three movies there. Yeah. When Michael looks at him at mom's funeral after he's like pretending he's getting back together with Fredo and he just kind of looks at Al and Al's like, all right, time to go fishing. Gotcha. Yeah. I got you. Don't worry. Got it. Dion Waiter's award. Scheider?

I think he's in too much. I have Devane in there, but I'm going to go with Lada Palfi Andor as Zell! Zell! That's a good one. Craig's choice. Flex category for Craig. What do you got, Craig? My hot take is that Babe was just kind of dumb. He was mugged by two guys in three-piece suits and fedoras and just didn't think that was weird.

Yeah, true. He was like, oh, I got mugged. And they're like, oh, what did he look like? And they're like, oh, they're like two like, you know, hoodlums. And he's like, no, they were two 50 year old men in suits. And they were like, oh, that feels kind of weird. Yeah. He also, his brother who was murdered and then he was tortured by a German man named Zell. And his brother was like, hey, I just outed your girlfriend for being a closeted German. Yeah. Didn't think anything of that. Just kind of kept plowing right forward with her and still thought she was totally innocent up until they got to the house.

And then I just, I thought it was a weak move that he just couldn't pull the trigger on Zell at the end. What are we doing? He couldn't shoot him? In the book he does. In the book he fucking guns him down. Yeah. Like, I don't understand the character choice of him not shooting Zell. It's a weird, I would say there's two things that happen. Because he shoots people right before it up in upstate New York. In the book he shoots Elsa too, right? Like he guns down Elsa. It's much more Death Wish at the end of the book. Because he shoots Devane in the house.

And then 20 minutes later, he can't shoot Zell. It's absurd. So bizarre. The ending was rewritten by Robert town, as CR said, because Hoffman apparently didn't like it. Goldman thought it was a piece of shit. It drove him crazy. He couldn't believe it. Um, in the novel, babe leads Zelda central park, uh,

shoots him multiple times while lecturing him, kills him, throws the diamonds away and is led away by the police. Yeah, I just don't know the lead up with Babe. I mean, he's clearly capable and willing to kill.

Well, Goldman's up in the sky thanking us that we have Craig. I can't believe Tibbs got fired. There's no one else Tibbs had to do that made the Eastern Finals. Wait, can I add one more question? Yeah. So a lot of the movies in the 70s, 80s, but I think it starts to get better in the 80s. I personally at home have trouble hearing what the people are saying. Do you have trouble like just the sound mixing? Oh, well, I think that they do a lot of stuff, especially in these 70s movies where they've ADR'd

stuff where it's like, so you're seeing something that you should not be able to, like, it'll be a character across the street in a diner through a window and you can hear it as they're whispering in your ear. It's just a style. Altman did this a lot with a lot of his layering of sound that is just unconventional for our

modern like cinematic appetite I am very anti-closed captioning I don't I don't support it but I I had a really hard time just understanding also the accents I had like genuinely very difficult time understanding what they were saying so I had to turn them on and I was just wondering if that was the case like in the theaters in the 70s if it was muddled because sound mixing wasn't as good or if that's the way it's translated to our TVs now yeah I would say sound mixing is too good now yeah

The sound is translated. So it's probably picking up stuff from the print that wasn't even intended to really be heard. And I just think that they would do stuff with sound that was just different. Way different. Yeah. Yeah.

Like they'll do things where you're like, oh, like visually I'm so far away from this person. Yeah. It almost feels weird that I can hear them mumbling to someone next to them. Yeah. Cause there's some under the breath conversations and really pivotal moments. And I'm like, I don't know what they're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys watch movies and TV with closed captioning? I try not to. I find it's really distracting. Yeah. And sometimes the line comes up, the words come up before the person says it.

I do. I had to use some closed captioning for Seagal when he was trying to do his Italian accent for justice. That was the last time I used it. Half-assed internet research. So in the novel, we said Janeway and Doc are lovers. So Doc's in Paris and he calls Janeway on the phone. He says, Janie, I miss you. Get your ass over here. And that's kind of the only way they allude to it. It's definitely more subtle in the book. It's a weird one though. I didn't

Didn't even notice that in the movie until I reread it in the book a few years ago. And it was like, oh. Because in the beginning you're like, oh, is he talking to a woman named Janie? Like you're just, is he got a girlfriend somewhere? So the marathon runner shown in flashbacks is Adebe Bikila, who won the 1960 Olympic marathon and ran barefoot for Ethiopia. Yeah. No shoes. Yeah.

The barefoot athletes have really gone out the window in the last 20 years. We'd barefoot kickers all the way through the nineties. Go, uh, Zola bud. Yeah. We had you, we both had Tony Franklin on our team as a field goal kicker. Just such a weird era that people are like, you know what? I'm better off without the sneaker.

Playing in the NFL. Pure feel. I know. Like Craig, that has to be top five weirdest things for you about sports in the 80s. What do you mean there were barefoot kickers in the 90s? Like literally barefoot field goal kickers. Yeah, they wouldn't wear a sock or a cleat. In what year are we talking about? We're talking like 80s. Yeah.

The Patriots had Tony Franklin in the, I think in the Super Bowl season or around that era. Was out there with just no shoes or socks? Just barefoot? No, they'd have the weirdest thing is they'd have the left shoe and the sneaker and then the barefoot on the right. Because the plant foot you want with the shoe for the spikes. But then you get pure feel again on the inside of the foot. What's funny is you go back and you look at all the field goal stats and people are like...

54%. Yeah. They're, they're like, and they're like, I need the feel of this. It's like 36 yards. Sneakers, broken toes. Yeah. Um, Goldman wrote a screenplay called brothers and, uh, I guess kind of a sequel, but, uh, not considered one of his better books. A sequel to this? Yeah. It's called brothers. Is it a prequel about babe and doc or what is it? It's, uh,

I don't really know. Unproduced? I know that it's not well-liked. Okay. Yeah. Apex Mountain. Hoffman. I think it's Kramer versus Kramer. Oh, I think it's this year. I think it's Marathon in 70... It's 76. It's Marathon Man and All the President's Men in one year. I think it's Kramer versus Kramer. Okay. We'll agree to disagree. Dentistry? Yeah. Dentistry is a movie device. Little shop of horrors in this. Yeah. Scheider. It's around. I mean, I would say Jaws. Yeah, Jaws is...

Devane, it's definitely bad news bears and breaking training, figuring out how to back Kelly league five times in three innings in the Astrodome. Still don't know how he did it. We're definitely doing that on the rewatchables at some point. Kelly league. Just keep a Craig. You haven't seen that one, right? Oh man. You're going to love it. A lot of lineup chicanery in the big game. Uh, torture scenes. I think this might be the most famous one. If it's not, it's up there. Okay.

It's top three. What do you think? What's the most famous torture scene for your generation? Oh, wow. Well, I would say the first thing that comes to mind. This is the end? Casino Royale, like getting hit in the balls. The thing that swings under the chair. Oh, Casino Royale is a good one. That one's really bad. That's a really good one. Yeah, I mean, Pulp is bad. Oh, yeah. Reservoir Dogs. And Reservoir Dogs of the Year. Yeah, we probably should have picked. Maybe we should have said non-Tarantino torture scenes. Olivier, no way.

Goldman's in the running because he has this and all the President's Men in 76. He wins the Oscar. He has a book thing. His price is now, he's the biggest price of any screenwriter. I think this might be it. Mark Keller? I think so. She's in Black Sunday, right? Black Sunday, Bobby Deerfield, some movie called Fedora, and then that was it for her. She's a big star. Schlesinger? Midnight Cowboy because it won the Oscar. I'm walking here!

Jewish revenge movies. Bastards. Yeah, it's bastards. Yeah. It's close though. Evil Nazi characters. It's this, it's the guy who melts in Raiders and it's, it's Chris and Christoph Waltz. We also have the good Nazi in Victory. He just wanted some good soccer. That's true. Yeah, just needed a break.

break from the horrible war just wanted to get we're not so different you and i yeah but you guys see the bicycle kick yeah i know we're all nazis but you have to appreciate the artistry of that and then uh diamond district scenes in a movie it's this or uncut gems i think it's this i think it's this yeah well this is the easiest cruiser hanks we've ever had it's cruising a walk this is such a run part yeah hanks maybe is the shiner part but

Maybe. Yeah. But not as good as Cruise. Spielberg or Scorsese? This is a hard one because Scorsese is the consummate New York director, but nobody does Jewish revenge like Spielberg. Has to be Spielberg. Who does Philip Seymour Hoffman play? Janeway. The vain character. I had that as well. Picky Nitz.

Why did William Devane tell Babe the entire Zell story as he's just driving around so they'll end up at the same spot? That's a classic. The screenwriter wants the information out there. It's both. It's an exposition dump that does make sense. He's basically doing...

it's a, it's an extended version of like cutting into someone and then giving them clove. He's like luring him into a false sense of security. And now he's like, I'm bringing you in. I'm telling you what your brother did. Now you're going to tell me what he said to you. Yeah. But yeah. So I get, I go to Craig. I'm like, so we're teaming up with Portnoy. Anyways, he reached out to you. Why did Zell go to the diamond district first?

To find out about the carrot prices. Whatever he was doing before he went to the deposit. Yeah, he was going to get like a market setting price on a carrot. He has no henchmen left at that point? Well, they've gone up to the lake house. They've gone up to the country. Nobody else? Nobody else on Nazi slack? I think when you're one of the most wanted... Yo, need something to go to the district?

I think when you've got yourself on like every wanted list in the Western world, like your, your circle's pretty tight. Do you think he disguised himself enough? No. Like he just shaved the top of his head. He could have done a little more, I think. Yeah. Maybe grow some facial hair, change the glasses, put a hat on. Maybe put on a, like a Thurman Munson jersey. Yeah. Dress like a Yankee fan. Yeah.

That'd be funny. He's wearing a Yankee hat with a Munson jersey and blue jeans. You can't fucking get a load out of these fucking guys. We gotta sign Reggie Jackson. And then why do we have the drive to upstate New York, which we already talked about? Any other nitpicks for you? You got them all except for when Dustin Hoffman is running to the drugstore to meet Mark in the background. The movie Marquis playing Jaws.

Which breaks the Roy Scheider fantasy reality. Yeah, we crossed the streams. Yeah. I have one more. I admittedly don't know quite enough about jogging. I've never been a jogger. Hoffman's jogging to me seems...

um a little lurchy and i didn't feel like he had i know they said he worked on it every day he ran four miles but that's crucial he's running four miles not a marathon and i feel like he was a little bit like like when the guy who passes him at the reservoir runs by him and then he's like speeding up it's kind of like all right but you're running a marathon you would have to be like really pacing yourself here

Did you like his stride, though? I mean, it's the 70s. I've crushed a lot of pre-Fontaine tapes. I don't know what it really looks like. Somebody who's running that much, and this is like, my thing is I run every day. Yeah. I just want them, I want more efficient. Those guys and ladies, they glide. Yeah, he's running like the way his character is. He's like, huh, huh. Like, he's running like, I don't know. It just didn't totally work for me. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. I know we said prestige TV.

Can I test drive a Zell prequel? You're going to test drive by casting a fishing hook? Just a Zell prequel? Uh-huh. Not a lot of laughs in that one. No, but like him trying to get to South America. Getting out of Germany. Yeah. So Zell is the protagonist or are we with someone hunting Zell who's trying to catch him? No, we're hunting Zell. Okay. We're trying to find Zell before he gets to Argentina. Yes. You're not not watching that. Sure. Okay. Yeah.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harley Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm? I think it's got to be. I said, is it safe? English motherfucker, do you speak it? Say what again? I dare you. I double dare you. Now, is it safe? That's a good one. Yeah.

I think it would be too problematic for Wayne to chime in here. Goddamn, Christian! It's so funny you didn't say him because I was going to do Stephen A. Christian Zell's asking me if it's safe. He's asking me because I'm going to be here a long time after Christian Zell.

A long time. Is Christian Zell an underachiever? Christian Zell, maybe you should worry about getting those diamonds before asking me if it's safe. Okay? But then we find out Stephen A was playing Solitaire while Marathon Man was on. I can't wait until the expose about you comes out where it's just like you're supposed to be watching, you know, having good weight, but you're actually playing.

You're doing fantasy league stuff the entire time? Do we know when he was playing solitaire? Apparently it was during a meaningful moment in the game. But I have not been tracking this story very closely. I'm sorry. I'm not there to judge. I'm there studying the OKC body language like I'm a detective looking at a police lineup. I'm just watching everybody. Chet looks unhappy. What's going on there? Just one Oscar. Who gets it? Conrad Hall.

Oh, so I love this guy shot Butch Cassidy, Cool Hand Luke in Cold Blood, Marathon Man, Road to Perdition and American Beauty. So his career stretches across from the 50s to the 90s. And I just think that this is one of the most extraordinary portraits of New York City. I mean, it's so incredible what he does. I was going to go with Olivier, but you made a good case. Probably unanswerable questions.

What kind of dental work was Babe looking at next six months there? And what's the conversation like with the dentist? Well, first of all, Babe's got to go under general anesthesia to get dental work done. Like, there's no way he's conscious at all for it, right? I mean, he has an exposed nerve for the last hour of this movie. Yeah. Got to get that fixed, I would say, pretty soon.

The movie never really goes into how he eats with the fucked up tooth. This would be a good sequel. Babe's dental dream. What is he? He go in like the dental assistant comes in. He's like, Hey babe, how are you? I'm Jenny. Yeah. Hey, how are you? So what are you in for today? So there's this evil Nazi.

Maybe you heard of him, the vice angle? Yeah, Zell. You know, the angel of death. And he was trying to get me to tell him information and he drilled a hole and now I have an exposed nerve in my tooth. There's a tooth right here, that one that's black. Yeah. Yeah, so I was going to try to get that fixed. I don't know. Probably a fake tooth. Yeah. Probably pulling that. I would need heroin the next time I went to a dentist's office.

Uh, other unanswerables, anything? I, the only one I had was, did this movie invent the trend of British actors playing super villains in Hollywood movies? Oh, so Hopkins director, Alan Rickman and diehard. Like, is there, I was, I could probably answer this question, but I didn't see any earlier evidence of it. It's a good one. I was trying to think unanswerable. Uh, is babe's apartment ever rented again? Yeah.

There's a chalk outline in the living room. The bathroom's been demolished. It smells like a hockey locker room. When I first moved to New York in 2000, there was a hole in my floor that the landlord was like, I'll get to that. And it was like as big as this table. He was like, you're just going to want to walk around that. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Like how deep was the hole? Well, it was...

It was deep. And it was, it was not, it was, there was something underneath where it wasn't going down into the next department, but he was like, I'm going to fix that before you move in and didn't.

Jesus. Yeah. And then it's too late. I was living there. This would be a good podcast. My first New York city apartment. I got a great one. Yeah. Do you? Oh yeah. My, my New York apartment was fucking terrible. We use, uh, you couldn't even get to the toilet without like, you had to like turn sideways and shimmy past the shower because the walkway was so narrow. Yeah. It was like one foot wide. And then our whole ceiling was completely sunken in. There was like all this leakage and the ceiling looked like a good concave. Where was it? Uh,

I was in Prospect Crown Heights-ish. Okay. Yeah. New York's hilarious because everybody who lives there, they're always like, yeah, the first apartment I lived in, we just had an open sewage pipe that just spewed sewage. It was great. So we lived there for a year. I met my wife there. It's great. He's kind of worked around it. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I'm going to go with the rarely seen not one. The drill. Yeah.

I mean, that's just a weird thing to have. You're like, hey, come come into my library. I have the drill for Marathon Man. I guess it would be pretty antisocial. But the one piece of memorabilia I did want was the wrist knife. Oh, that's a really good one. Pretty cool party trick. But I would not want any of Babe's running clothes. Yeah, I'm good. Is there like historical accuracy to that? His like concealed knife thing? Or is that kind of a.

Just like a movie trope. I feel like the 60s and 70s were full of knives in cool places. Okay. So it was a big metal bracelet that was immediately conspicuous. You'd be like, what the fuck is that? And then he had some button that just... A knife shot out of it. Well, it's also like... It's so incredible in the 70s where they're like...

thank you for flying from uh paraguay to america or iraguayo america yeah get your own bags we're good right strike yeah true and your your nazi henchmen can meet you at the gate that would have been an unanswered that would have been good for unanswerable questions was there actually a baggage strike well also would tsa yeah true coach finstock or best life lesson um

Don't trust the Nazis? At the end of it, if you kill the Nazi dentist, take his diamonds. You earned it. Yeah, take the diamonds. It's okay. Put them in your pocket. Best double feature choice. You can go Boys from Brazil and go Olivia and the other side. I like that. Uncut Gems, if you want to go Diamond District again. Munich. Munich's a good one. Interesting element to this. Would that be a weird rewatchables choice?

Munich and Lincoln are the two late period Spielberg ones that I was like, I really want to do these. I didn't like Munich at all when I first saw it. And about 10 years ago, it kind of broke me. Yeah. Now I'm like, Munich. Do you ever watch Lincoln? You really want to do this. Do you want me to do this this summer? Daniel Day. Yeah. If the Celtics don't trade Jalen Brown before July 1st, I'll watch Lincoln again.

I'm really worried they're going to trade Jalen Brown. I love that guy. You're in such a tender place. I really am. I don't want them to trade anybody. Yeah. Why can't they make the Eastern Finals next year without Tatum? It's entirely possible. Indiana made the Eastern Finals. They have Miles Turner's two for ten every game. And...

They have Nemhard playing 40 minutes a game. I know. And Obi Toppin plays real minutes. Trust me, I think about this every time I watch them, but I'm just like, guess the process was for nothing. Right. Turns out we would have been fine. I mean, shit, you might be able to take Khan Kanipal with the third pick. You're not taking Khan Kanipal with the third pick. Relax. I do like Khan Kanipal. No. Who do you want with the third pick?

I think you have to take Trey or Ace at third, but I like Edgecombe the most. I just wish we could get down to like five or six and take Edgecombe and get something else. We'll talk about it after the pod. We won the movie. Really tough one. For me, it's Olivier because... I'm going to go with Olivier as well.

Because I don't have the entry to modern movies that he made because he had, you know, he basically. And we don't always talk about it. It's an incredible baton pass of like an older style of acting to a new style of acting. Yeah. So I think that that's. I think it's so cool that he's in this and just in general, when somebody parachutes into a movie, that's a super crazy famous act respected actor. And does something like this. Yeah. It's a brave. It's a brave performance. All right, Craig, what do you got?

I thoroughly enjoyed it. Just a wonderful, incredibly suspense thriller, old school thriller. It's interesting that the number one takeaway I had was that I actually kind of didn't know what was going on in this movie for like the first whole hour. Yeah. Like I was just kind of genuinely confused. In the book itself, you don't know Doc and Scylla, which is his codename, are the same person until...

Doc dies. Yeah, I just think that's a symptom of like today, they would never do this today. Doc would have probably died 20 minutes into the movie. He dies, I think, 60 minutes in this movie. Yeah. And then you get the William Devane monologue like 70 minutes in and that's when you start to like, at least for me, figure out what's going on, especially me being, you know, so far removed from this era, not really knowing a ton about it. I was, it was, it was just a very unique feeling that you don't have anymore. Yeah.

There are little clues that you get when you watch it over and over again. Sure, I'm sure going back now, but in the moment, I'm just trying to take in each scene. When Zell's brother leaves the bank the first time, and he passes off the little case, the Band-Aid case, Doc has that in Paris.

Oh. So like you kind of like start to get clued into kind of sort of what he's doing. But yeah, you're right. Like you really don't know what's going on until the end. And I kind of enjoyed that. I mean, again, it wouldn't work now because if this were on Netflix, people would turn it off because they'd be confused. But if you know you have to like having to watch this movie and knowing like I will finish this no matter what, it's the payoff is just so much better. Having to build up this like, you know, this this.

all these things and figuring out how to put them together. And then, oh, an hour in, you're like, oh, wait, okay, I'm starting to piece this together and see where things are going. It's much more fulfilling. It's also pretty cool because, like, you know, you're going along watching Zell come back to New York, but you're kind of like, I don't really, like, what's this guy capable of? Totally. And then when he gets in that room, you're like, oh, my God. And I, yeah, I think the Diamond District scene is by far my favorite scene. I think that was, like, incredibly...

it just landed so hard. Yeah. It's so disturbing. I also liked that. There's another issue with movies now. I've never seen the amateur, but I, if I had to guess, I bet you the villain in the amateur is some like rogue foreign CIA operative. And it's, I always like when movies have real villains from real life that you can actually get behind. And it's not like the faceless top gun Maverick shit. Yeah. It's a good call. Um, I think he made a key Netflix point.

The movie's so complicated in the first hour, people just flip right over to Love Island. Yeah. They're like, I'm out. No shot. Yeah. You have to almost have a captive audience. Love Island, they switch partners.

Gotta see what happened there. I'm glad you liked it, Craig. It was written by our guy Goldman. Alright, that's it for New York City Month. It is? We have two more left. We think... You just said that's it for New York City Month. This installment of New York City Month. We think there's a chance next week is the 403 Watchables episode. Not positive. It gets weird because we had...

We did like six testers on the BS feed. We did six sports movie kind of Hall of Famers that were little test cases for rewatchables. But then when we launched the feed, we put those on the rewatchables feed. But I think if we're actually talking about true rewatchables, you include the first heat too, which we didn't do.

I think this might be the 400th official rewatchables episode next week. Okay. But we're not celebrating that like an anniversary. Cause when we get to 400 movies, this was three 87, right? Including Miami vice called runs revenge, which was not a, which is a TV movie, but we're still counting it. Um, so 400, 400 movies will be the one that I think we care about. Okay. Right. Yeah. Let me know. You like me. He does. And we're doing you, me and van are doing Miami vice live this summer. Please.

I've just, it just gets better every year. I can't, I can't rewatch it too many times before that. So just let me know. Cause otherwise I'll just start watching Miami Vice. You'll just be like in a. Andy will be like, what did you watch this week? And I'll be like, Miami Vice. That's it. I showed, I showed, I told you, I showed Ben the entire stretch from when he takes, what's her name? What's the actress's name? Gong Li. Gong Li.

When he's like, do you want to get a drink? And she's like, I know a place. Do you like mojitos? I'm a fiend for mojitos. Or what do you like to drink? I'm a fiend for mojitos. And then they're just on a speedboat going to Cuba. So I showed Ben and Ben was just like, what? How far is Cuba from Miami? He was just so confused. It's amazing. All right. At some point. Yeah, that'll be an LA thing.

Not a Miami live show. We have to go to Seattle at some point soon. Okay. Because there's a lot of Sonic stuff going on with them and they want us to come. They're trying to bring back the Sonics and get the expansion team. They want to, Seattle loves us. Okay. We have to go do a live rewatch. The re-singles? Yeah. And then Indianapolis, which I had a great time clamoring for rewatchables at some point. We should have saved Breaking Away for them. Yeah, we should have. Did you go to St. Elmo? I did. I did.

How did you, did you enjoy the shrimp cocktail? Are you a shrimp cocktail fan? It's fine. Well, we're not going into that. No, they know. It's basically the cocktail sauce is the draw. Well, it's the horseradish. It's like a mound of horseradish. They put a ton of horseradish in it. But it's like, you know.

You could do that right here. I've never been to Indianapolis. It's fine. I love Indianapolis. All right. Next week, the 400th episode, but we're not going to celebrate New York City Month. Are you on next week? Yeah, you're on next week. Are you going to announce the movie or no? Tell them. Yeah? Yeah. They've already seen it. If people made it 97 minutes in, they deserve it. All right. It's Die Hard with a Vengeance. Yeah. DH with a V. Yeah. That's next week.

DHV. Thanks, guys. Thanks to Craig and thanks to Jeff. And Ronick. And Ronick.