How To Shift Your Money Mindset To Unlock Financial Freedom | Anas Bukhash
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And I'm curious, what is the difference that you've learned from Americans and those who live in America who think about money versus business and those who think about money in Dubai? What is the difference in the mindset? What I think, these are all just perspectives. I don't know how accurate they are, but I feel in the U.S. it's a bit siloed, like each to their own. Like you don't have this unity in between each other and you're a go-getter and you want to just

make as much as you can and I don't know I don't find that cooperative feeling as much maybe now versus 50 years ago it's different it's more like single-minded competitive I'm gonna get mine I'm gonna compete against you that type of thing probably and then in Dubai specifically because also each place in the region is different in Dubai

There's a crazy level of entrepreneurship. If you actually, if whatever anybody now is watching, whatever you Google, can you believe that the UAE has done all of this in 50 years, which is younger than our parents? People sometimes criticize the UAE or Dubai and they say, ah, it's this or that, it's fake or no. No, do you actually realize how many years we've built all of that?

It's very short, so it's a very entrepreneurial city. In Dubai, a lot of people come there, whether from the US, from the UK, from Europe, from Asia. That's where they start their careers because they create a business. And don't forget, it's like raw. So when Louis has an idea and you come and pitch it in the UAE or in Dubai, you probably are the first one.

It's not like it's a thousand years old and many people thought and built those businesses. No, you might be. So all of my startups are technically the first of its kind. Really? Not because I'm a genius. It's because it's a young country. So I have an idea. I start it and it does well.

So very entrepreneurial. What is the, for a lot of people who've never been there, they think of like it's maybe a superficial or maybe those who have visited, it's very superficial. There's luxury everywhere. It's an excess of money. It just seems like it's just unlimited. Like it just keeps coming. Does that help or hurt values within the communities there by having that much money? Or what does that do to values or communities?

I think it's an inaccurate perception. Do a lot of rich people move to Dubai? Absolutely, because Dubai has provided so much. You leave your car keys in the car. Your doors are generally open. And it doesn't happen by coincidence. It happens because the level of security and the level of effort that the government is putting is immense.

The other day I was walking with somebody who was just coming for a week and she goes, "Can we walk here?" And I'm like, "Yeah."

And for her it was shocking because she's like, "In Europe I can't do this walk at the end of the night." Alone. Yeah, no way. For me it's a no-brainer, but for her it's a brainer. So I think the level of safety and the level of logistics and the level of ease to build your business and all of that, and the network you build in Dubai, it's... Well, if you think the world has six degrees of separation between any two people, I think in Dubai it's two. Really? Between you and anybody, it's probably two, max.

So your network there is crazy. So that's why the rich people are moving. The schooling is great. The logistics, the quality of life is great. Safety, which is quite undervalued, is so important. So that's why you see a lot of rich people there. But it doesn't mean...

There are no middle class and low income people. Everybody, there are all kinds of people. Now, to the second part of your question, how has it affected maybe culture? The interesting thing about Dubai has always been a trading city. Even my grandfather, when he was there, it's where people used to go to the port, sell carpets, sell spices, sell gold. So it's always had a lot of people, different nationalities. So we're quite accustomed to that. But you still feel a sense of,

value and togetherness, which I love. Like, I don't want to lose that. So what is the what is the mindset about how to generate wealth? How is it different with people in Dubai then versus in America? From your experience, how do they think about money differently? Is it is it is it scary? Is it something they're anxious about? Are they holding on to it? Are they or are they thinking, I'll spend it and invest it because I'm going to create more of it?

That's also a good question. I've lived in the US and in the US I feel, I do feel, and I hope nobody gets bothered, the American dream is quite just a dream.

Like I do think 1% make it and they make it big, probably the best in the world. If you make it in the US as the 1%, yeah, but the 99% who come with the American dream, I don't know if they ever achieve their dream because I see them hustling so much just to live okay. Not even wow, not even really comfortable. It's like, I'm doing two jobs and a part-time and my wife is doing this and my son. And you're like, all of you are working for this level. So I always found that marketing-wise is great.

You know, you think I'm going to come and build this life. But I do think that has shifted. Now you come to the region. I've seen a lot of expats come to the UAE and Dubai and they actually live the dream. They come, they build a business. It could be a chocolate business, could be a specialty coffee. It could be whatever, textile. And suddenly they have 16 branches. So how we look at money is not out of fear.

because it's contagious when you live in a very entrepreneurial city. If you go to New York, it's a bit different than going maybe to Dallas or to Wisconsin. It's very contagious in Dubai that everybody's coming up with an idea. So it's competitive, but if you're entrepreneurial, it's pretty a good place to be. And I've seen people, like even my best friend is from Boston. So a few years ago, I kept telling him, come with your wife, come to Dubai, trust me, trust me. And I had to nag for years.

Eventually he did and for him, you can ask him, it's the best decision he's ever made. His kids all go to a good school, he has a beautiful villa, has a nice car, has a great family and it's safe and he's built a business as a consultant now. So it's not like I'm selling something, I've seen it happen. He's making more money in Dubai now than in America. For sure. Really? Yeah.

Is there, do people talk about money differently though? Is it like an open conversation? Because I feel like a lot of people live in fear around money or it's taboo to talk about sometimes, or it's hard to get in America sometimes. They see a few people, the 1% getting it and they're like, okay, maybe it's possible for them, but not for me. How's the conversation around abundance and money different in Dubai?

I think when you live, Louis, in a city where you see people make it, and when I say make it, it doesn't mean you have to be a millionaire. You could just have $10,000, $20,000, but you're happy with it.

So even the idea of wealth and abundance is a subjective thing. Some people don't want a million dollars. They just want a quality life where when he wants to buy a t-shirt, he buys it and he doesn't need to do three jobs to do that. And I think that's the difference here. It feels they put so much effort just to live okay. Just to survive, just to keep up on the rent and payments and bills. There there's more of a direct correlation as, okay, Lewis came to Dubai. He worked this much. He will get the return on investment.

Here, I feel you work this much, your return on investment is like, ah. Really? I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, yeah. But that's the perception I get. I haven't lived here for a while. How did you, I mean, when you grew up here, though, what was your perspective around money growing up in the States? Did your parents talk about it openly? Was it a free-flowing conversation? Was it, hey, we don't have a lot of it, so don't go spend this. We can't buy this. What was that conversation like? And did it shift when you started to go to Dubai more?

So, on a tangent, the idea of discussing money I do think is quite taboo in Arab and Asian. It is. Like you don't sit on a lunch table and talk about it. If you read the book Rich Dad Poor Dad, he had that contrast. One of the fathers was like, oh, it's the devil talk. You don't talk about money on this table. And then another father was like, no, we talk about money. So I never came from a culture where you talked about investments and, oh, we should invest in stocks and we should do this and don't put it in this account.

Never. So financial literacy was extremely poor for me and for a lot of my generation. You just don't talk about it. You just put your money in the savings and get your 1% per year, which is probably the most silly thing you could do with your money. If now today we are more educated, we're like, no, move your money, keep something, but move it. Put a bit here, put a bit there, get some, make your money work. Don't let it just stay in a bank.

So that was never discussive. That's the question. And when I lived in Boston, it was... That was when you were in Boston. No, that was ever, always. Yeah, your parents never did talk about it. And I don't think they had the financial literacy to teach us. And if you don't have the conversation, you never improve.

You never debate, you never discuss which stock you should go to. So we didn't have that. But in Boston I was on a scholarship and Boston is expensive. So I was just trying to manage my... I've been independent since I was 17. So yeah, just how to... I remember Louis, we didn't have nice clothes.

when we were students and my roommate was chunky, he was big and I was so skinny. I was like half of this. And I was like, man, there's this store, we need to go, I don't even promote them, but it's just a designer. And I'm like, we need to get a t-shirt, but it was expensive for us. Now it's not, but you look at it, we can't buy anything from there.

So we're like, you know what, why don't we buy one t-shirt like in the middle, the size. Somewhere where it looks like you're wearing spandex and for me it looks like I'm... So you shared the shirt? We literally shared, like he's this big and I'm this small. But we both paid for it and it was really nice to have but it just didn't look good on any of us. Right. But that was how...

I think it's beautiful that you work towards then earning your money that you can live well. When did you start to think about money differently? Because it sounds like you grew up where it wasn't talked about, your parents didn't talk about it, and you weren't allowed to have open conversations.

So when did the shift happen for you where you said, I need to learn about money differently to be able to run my business or to be able to raise the kids I have or whatever it might be? What year was that? And when did it start to unlock where money flowed to you? The problem is I'm very ignorant when it comes to investments and I'm teaching myself. So real estate is something that

My grandfather did very well, God rest his soul, and we never learned how he did it. He didn't teach you guys? No. And I think with me, because I'm a purist, when it comes to my entrepreneurship, I follow my passion. And when money comes, it comes. And the good thing is, if you're usually good at what you do, it eventually does come. But it doesn't mean you're being smart.

Because you could, let's say, you suddenly make the first time you open the podcast in six months, make $10,000, buy new cameras, get the sound engineer, and suddenly you're back to zero. So you need to realize, okay, if I'm ill, how am I making money? If you're sleeping as Louis, are people purchasing my book? Are people purchasing a course? And that's who I think I started to think more like that in the last...

five years or so where how can I have passive income and even I was talking to my brother the other day and he's like yeah this year's been challenging we need to restructure blah blah blah and I told him you know what his name is Harith I'm like Harith even if you take out a thousand dollars five thousand dollars whatever every month just put

$2,000 somewhere. Put it in crypto, put it in real estate, anything. One of those are going to hit, but I don't want it in the bank. So let's start, and he's good with crypto and we're good with stocks. So like, it doesn't have to be a big one. So this is something also for the audience. We don't have to feel crippled. You could put $100, you could put $500, but that times 12 months,

is something. And that in five years is something else. And I think we need to do that more. We're so afraid and we keep things in their saving because we're like, oh, rainy day. Yeah, but keep something as security, what will make you live maybe for three months. After that, move everything. Let it move. Sure. And that's what I'm trying to do now. I mean, you've interviewed a lot of, I think you've interviewed some people in the royal family, right? I'm sorry? Have you interviewed some people in the royal family? Yeah. In Dubai? Correct. Correct.

And what is the difference between those who grow up in wealth versus those that don't grow up with money? That's a great question. Because a lot of people in the royal family or the children of the royal family, they grew up in wealth. It's just around them. Is there a difference in the way they think, the way they act, the way they move? Do they have an entitlement? Are they more humble? What is the difference between growing up in wealth versus not?

It's a very good question and of course you have all kinds of people. Some rich families, the kids take it for granted. They don't feel the value of money. And some, they suddenly have a business acumen and a finance acumen. And the ones I was lucky to befriend, they don't feel inferior to money. I think a lot of us that we came from a modest background or a simple background,

it's like, it's a taboo. It's like, how can I get it? You know? But when you, when you think it's just a tool and like, it's a mindset, it's kind of a confident mindset. You know, when you feel you can't get the girl or you're already losing. So you walk up to the girl, you're already feeling inferior or insecure or you're trembling. That energy doesn't welcome the best looking or the smartest girl, for example. But if you're like,

I think it's worth a try. You know what? I think I have the right confidence. Let me have a conversation. Very different response. And I think their confidence towards money because they've lived it is a bit different for somebody who's like, I don't know. And I really believe law of attraction only works

Not by what you write down or what you say out loud. I think it's a law of attraction is based on conviction inner conviction And if your inner conviction is clear that you actually Lewis actually inside Believes he will have the best-selling book next year. For example, you truly think no my book I wrote it so well It has a definite a chance a chance for it. Then you have a chance but if you're like

it's not that good but you say it's good to everybody but internally and the same goes to how we look and same goes to how we feel about our brain our self-esteem and what we think we're worth so if you look at your relationship with money and you truly think i'm talented i'm working hard and i'm pretty sure i can

One day, if you like a private jet, I think I can have a private jet or I think I can have a million dollars or, or, or. You truly believe it. I do think if you then you add that with the work, it will equal manifestation. For someone though, watching or listening, that's saying, well, it's easy to have conviction when your parents are wealthy and you grew up in wealth. But if I didn't grow up in wealth or I have a more of a modest upbringing like us, how do I create a conviction inside of me that I'm

Feel comfortable around money and I feel comfortable money is coming to me if I don't know how to handle it on the first part I will Contradict it to so some Let's say a wealthy kid who his parents pass away He inherits all the money how many blow blow out all the money a lot of them because that you see so it doesn't guarantee sustainability doesn't guarantee profitability for the long run a lot of wealthy kids are

They just don't know the value of money or they're not financially literate to know how to keep it. Dad had a lot of money. He's the one who made it. And now I don't know how to make money. I lose it all. I throw it all away in five years. A lot of even professional athletes or whatever, as soon as they stop, all the money goes. So it's never a guarantee if you were born into wealth, you stay wealthy.

Who made you wealthy? You need to learn from that person. Now, with us two, for somebody that comes from a more modest background, I do believe in small wins. You know, it's like confidence is a muscle. And if you train it, it's going to get strong. And if you stop training, it's going to wither away. And then you have to retrain. And maybe the second time you retrain it, it's quicker to build because you have the body memory. And I think the same confidence for me has always been confidence.

departments in your brain. So when we say somebody is confident, it's a very blanket statement. It's quite inaccurate. Yeah, but he's confident in what? Oh, he's a great public speaker. So he's very confident in public speaking. But maybe he's very not confident in relationships. Maybe he's very insecure as a father. So we cannot just say somebody's just confident. It's a very...

delusional way of giving that sticker away. So I like to see it as departments. And how do you build these departments? It's by practice. A bicycle. The first time we tried to get on a bicycle, we were so insecure, we were so fearful, we put those two small training wheels on the side, then you remove one. But eventually, you even do it without even holding the handle. You're so good at it. And even if you stop for a year, the next time, you quickly pick it up.

So I believe that's my advice is trial. So when you try, you're like, man, Anas, I invested in five stocks, they all flopped except one. It's not bad, you know? I think this is why when I did the research on this one, it kind of worked more. And suddenly you're getting 1% confidence, 2% confidence, 3%, and suddenly you're at 70% confidence.

And now you know your shit. You know how to. And I think that's so important. It's interesting because I was looking at an office building a couple months ago. And one of the units I was looking at to rent out, the broker, I was like, I feel like I need some upgrades or whatever. Would the owner put money to invest to upgrade it? And she was like, whatever you need done, she will do. Because she has owner's guilt. And I go, what do you mean? She goes, well...

She got handed this building, this big building, and she's got a portfolio of like massive real estate portfolio that she didn't create. It was like her father passed away and gave her all the properties. So the broker was like, whatever you need, she's going to do it because she feels guilty. And so she'll invest in like just making it nice for you.

Not trying to make the most money from it, but just like, I'm already making so much that I didn't create. It's imposter syndrome. It's kind of just like, yeah, I'll do whatever just to make people happy type of thing. Have you experienced serious complications with a Perigard IUD, like breakage or fracture?

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Do you notice that as well in Dubai with like children of the royal family who've been handed a lot of money? Do they have this kind of guilt for receiving it or they have a different level of confidence? I don't know many in the royal family, but the ones I've met are really impressive. Really? I swear. How so? Just the level of sophistication.

the level of knowledge and well-traveling, that's huge, you know, when you're well-traveled or when you're well-educated. And when you, Lewis, when you're born, and I hope I don't sound too biased, but I'm a big fan of my own country. And the writing is in the pudding. Like you can see, it's actually a great country. So when I see how

the leadership that made the country a united Arab Emirates, how they were visionaries, like literally, Lewis, with everybody watching. Can we, if anybody told us 60 years ago that this piece of desert is going to be one of the most sought out countries in the world and best cities to live in in the world, nobody would have believed it. Not you, not me. Nobody, nobody. But you had visionaries

And if somebody is going to watch this and say, "Yeah, of course, you had oil money." How many countries in the world have oil money? - A lot. - Where are they? - Not too well. - That's my point. Some of them have corruption, some of them they just don't know how to use it or invest it in their people. You know that one of our leaders, God rest his soul, he's the founder of the UAE, his name is Sheikh Zayed, Allah have mercy on him. So, Sheikh Zayed, when he was taking the leadership,

I'm told that he went to families telling them and listen to this he telling them I'll pay you if you send your children your boys and girls to school Not you pay to go to school. No, I will pay you I will reward you if you send our children to school

And we call him Baba Zaid, which is like Father Zaid, because he was literally a father to a lot of people in the country and outside. Wow. Like I've been to Comoros Islands, which nobody probably knows where it is. And I saw I was in the car because I was with UNICEF.

and we're going across this island and I see a small school and it's written Sheikh Zayed School for Children. I'm like, he even has a school here? So he was very, even in the US he did a lot by the way, a lot for the hospitals and for a lot of the charity. So coming back to the idea, if you have a leader who's investing in these people and paying them, like please send them to school, please. Because he knows

In 20 years, those kids are the next wave. So I think when you say petrol money, it's one thing. But what are you doing with it? For example, Dubai doesn't have petrol. But look at Dubai. Number one income, tourism. Look at that. That's a huge achievement. People might think Dubai is still running on oil. No. Dubai is about tourism. Really? Absolutely. How much does it bring in a year with tourism? I don't know. I can't make up those numbers. I'm sure we can find them on ChatGPT. But...

Just in the last two years, I was talking to somebody in tourism, in the last two years we have increased only Dubai 400,000 new people.

Wow. And they're not low income. These are families that are bringing money and investments in the city. I know Miami, I heard Miami is doing very well also in the U.S. And there are certain cities that are providing a good place for families to come and just settle. So that takes extreme vision for someone like that to say, OK, we are in a, you know, a plot of sand. There's nothing here. There's no infrastructure. There's no infrastructure.

Plumbing, there's no roads, there's no nothing. It's just sand, desert, and heat. And Dubai is hot, man. It's hard to freaking live there. In the summer, yeah. It is. It penetrates your soul, that type of heat. It's just so different, Lewis. Even the ruler of Dubai, he decided to build a port. They're like, why you want to build such a big port? And he's like, we should build it. And everybody didn't agree or didn't see it. That is one of the most important ports in the region today.

Like when you think of it, like it's easy not to say, of course you should build a port. No, no. Like back then, why would you? Right. No one was going there. Yeah. And but, you know, when you have that's beautiful. Like I would love to sit on a dinner table and listen to people like that that had and we have them across the world, whether it's a Muhammad Ali or Gandhi or Mandela. You have visionaries and they saw something that they didn't need to do because some of them are already wealthy. They're OK. They don't need to do it.

But there's a passion in the people. And I think if you invest in the people, you never go wrong. Never. That's true. And notice all the names that I just said. They all invested in their people. So how is the conversation around money today there? Are people talking about it openly or is it still taboo in conversation? Not taboo at all. Really? Yeah, yeah.

Now people talk. They do. I think the internet also helped a lot. You know? Yeah. Investments and people, how they use their money. In my family it wasn't, but I know even in Asian families, usually money won't be discussed much. So when you're around the royal family or you see them, they're very sophisticated. They're very well-traveled. What else do they have? They're very well-educated. Very. Yeah.

And again, because we have this lineage, right? If you start from Sheikh Zayed and Rashid, who are the founders, and then you take that teaching and how they approach the country and how it was so important that the people are happy. For example, as an Emirati, we get land for free. We get a loan to build. We get an interest rate.

We get education for free. We get, what else? There is a loan to build and loan for weddings. A loan for weddings? Yeah, so you can actually get married. Really? So they set you up. How important? They will set you up. They'll support you where it's really important to set you for life. How important is marriage and family in Dubai or in UAE? It's huge. Why? Why are they investing in people getting married?

Because one, you want your people to grow and you want to build family units that are really strong. And I think maybe we're generally in the modern world, we're undermining the value of strong families.

It's so beautiful. Like I work with my brother. He's my business partner in all of it. And my mother brought us up so well. We have such a solid unit. Like me and my brothers are all buddies and we all trust each other. You can't beat that. Like you can't find a business partner if he's also competent and your brother's competent. You always wanted the brother. Right. He's your blood. He's not competent and someone else is. Then you don't use him. Like I do think to be a great entrepreneur, you should be ready to fire your mother. Wow.

It's tough. Yeah, but that's what it takes. You can't be like, oh, but that's my buddy, that's my mother, that's my brother. No, you have to, as an entrepreneur, you have to be very objective. You need to get up with the best person in the position to help you grow. Yeah. So I'm lucky with them. And coming back to your point, marriage and good units and good families build a society. And if the society is built on ethical, good-valued people, good-mannered people,

good units, you have a very strong society. In Europe today, maybe in America, and a lot of places in the world, it's very disintegrated. Like when you said, Anas, I live both. I live the American life and I live the UAE life. And I love some things in both. And I don't like some things in both. So I try to merge the most of everything. What are the things you loved about both and things you don't love about both? Okay. So in America, I really liked...

Just the people are really nice. I love that and I loved my college years and it was just really good formative years for me. What I didn't like is the family values where I felt were very weak compared to where I come from. Like if you just see your family once a year or Christmas or Thanksgiving, for me that was sad. Like I'm like, you're missing out guys. Like this is so important. We go once a week to our families or we talk to them. It's such a strong unit with your brothers, your siblings.

So that I didn't like. And like I said in the beginning of the interview, there's not much unity between people. Now back home, I think we moved so fast. Maybe before it was more rigid. Now we're so open to the world. So now we're great. But a lot of topics like the money was taboo.

culture, openness to the world. Now Dubai is one of the most modern cities. But one of the beautiful things for me that I don't want to change is the good mannerism. I don't think, Louis, you've been to the UAE, you've been to Dubai, it's very difficult to find an Emirati who wouldn't treat you with good hospitality, good mannerism, and just be nice to you. So that's really nice and how you're warm with people.

If you just say, "Oh guys, I'm hungry." They'll all invite you. Whether he has money or not, he will invite you. It's in our culture. And I remember, for example, in a neighboring country, my dad was in Oman. So he went to the mosque to pray and he went to the small town in Oman. Very, very, like a farming town maybe.

And he just went for prayer, like let's say afternoon prayer. And at least three guys in the mosque, they're like, your lunch is with us. And he's like, no, no, with me. And they're like competing who would invite my dad. And I found that quite sweet. Like you don't see it in a lot of places in the world. They truly mean, it's not like they're just being nice. They really want to take care of you. And he's like, listen, if you don't have a place to stay, our house, we have a guest room. And it's... Why is that?

You're brought up like that. You're brought up to be nice to other people and hospitable. And you represent your culture, your religion, and your country that way. And I love that. And I think the world generally needs a bit more of that. Yeah. Yeah. What are the values you've learned through prayer that have allowed you to create more prosperity? Do you pray frequently? I do. I used to do it much better.

You're a bad prayer. No, I don't think there's such a thing as a bad prayer. I was brought up in a very conservative family. My dad is religious, my mom. And I think there's a lot of beauty to prayer, Lewis. Let's talk about it from an objective point of view.

When you're a busy person, and in Islam there are five prayers, and I think Christianity, I think you can pray... Five a day, right? Yeah, at different times. And I think in Christianity it's flexible. I think on Sunday you go to the church, and different religions have different practices. But the idea of prayer, that you have to pause...

I think that's really important. Like today we talk about meditation, we talk about leave your phones. So imagine you're in a religion where five times a day you need to take a five minute break. It doesn't take long. And you go and you pray and you take a spiritual connection or literally a pause. I think there's a beauty to that. It teaches you time management.

It teaches you prioritization. It teaches you to take time for yourself. And it's also our prayer is a bit of movement. So there's a bit of stretching. It's like yoga. Yeah. So I think there are a lot of pros and discipline. One of the things I love about the five times a day prayer, it's probably a lot easier to let go of the past. If someone, if you got into an argument with someone or you're feeling frustrated or resentful about something,

If you're praying about it five different times a day, you might be able to let that go quicker. You know, from one prayer to the next, hopefully you could let it go. I'm not saying everyone can, but that type of practice of forgiveness, of reflection of, okay, how do I want to show up with these next five hours or next four hours until the next moment? I didn't show up well. I reacted to my neighbor. I screamed. I honked in the car.

Okay, how do I be better these next few hours? I think that five times a day gives you hopefully a moment to reflect and say, I got to be better. Let me go apologize to the person I just did this to. That's not okay. Even, you know, in our prayer, we have something called wudu, which is like you have to just wash your face and your hands. Just that interesting practice comes

Imagine like literally you're really pissed off, you're stressed at work and you're like, "Okay guys, let me just go pray and come back." And you have to go wash and you wash your face. This, that interesting practice calms you down by the way. You cleanse yourself. Yeah, so then you go and pray and now you're forced to be good and nice and pray because you need to disconnect from the stress you just had in the meeting or an argument with your partner or... So suddenly you're pausing now. And I think that's where I agree with you. When you pause,

you regulate. I remember, by the way, your answer in Navy Talks. I asked you a question. I said, Lewis, if you could teach every child in the world one thing only, what would you teach? Your answer is one of the best answers I've ever had on the show. Truly. He said emotional regulation. And I think a prayer or a disconnect allows you to regulate before you just fight and cause something that... It's like when you're arguing, you go for a walk and then come back. So there is a lot of blessings to that.

What season of life were you making the most money? What year did you bring in the most money from your businesses? I have four businesses at them. I used to have six. I have four now. But the funny thing is each one does better in different years. This year, the hair salon is like... Hair salon? It's doing well. Oh, man. I got to come and get a haircut in Dubai. For sure. It's a good one. And I got inspired by New York loft style salons. Oh, they're nice. Yeah. They're nice. Yeah.

A lot of your business ideas, you just visit America. You see what's working and you say, oh, we don't have this in Dubai. Let me bring this over. And it's going to crush. Actually, two. Two of the six were because of an American idea. That's smart. Yeah. If it's not there, but you know it does well somewhere else, then hopefully the... The first one was artificial grass football or soccer fields. So I played in Boston. We played and it was air conditioned. I'm like, oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah.

In Dubai, with our weather, air-conditioned, but turf with cleats? Yeah, with soft turf, with rubber. Exactly. And I brought it, and we were the first in the UAE, and it went from one or two pitches, I think 26, 28 pitches. Wow. Indoor? Indoor. Indoor, so it's AC. I was going to say, because you can't have grass there. You'd just be watering all day long. You do water all the time. It's not a smart thing to do. Well, that's cool. It depends. Each year, some of the businesses do well, some not.

What was the year that you made the most you don't to say how much but what year what year I think maybe two years ago three years ago. We did great and all So how much were you praying leading into that year? I don't pray for money. I'm not talking about money. I'm just saying how much we're praying Spiritually, yes, not like give me more money, but how many I I every day are in your life every day I think it's important

Were you doing it more before that? No. I'm a consistent guy. Like even every night I will journal. And in my journal you'll see my gratitude, what I did today, kind of like a diary, and what I'm happy that I did and what was quite cool. And part of my... It's not a secret, but I don't usually share this, but part of it at the end I will write...

Like they call it affirmations. I don't like the word affirmations. I think it's over trendy But I think it's important to write things that you want to do or get so I do that every day and you know That was the funny part Lewis if you any of you watching do this Go back at the end of the year and you'll see you'll be shocked at how much of it actually happened Of what you write down what you want to create what actually happened like you said you're gonna do all of this in the beginning of the year and

you'll be shocked what happens at the end of the year yeah like i do that and i'm like check check yeah yeah it's pretty cool you you were you got married young 24 correct married for nine years then divorced been separated for the last 10 years 10 years yeah what did you learn about yourself through getting married in your early 20s getting divorced in your early 30s and being

not married for the last 10 years, but co-parenting. What have you learned about yourself from the whole process? I learned that I don't advise people to get married young.

Because it's very formative years in the modern age. Maybe back in your dad's time, my dad's time, it was a bit different expectations and criteria. It didn't work for my parents. They got young too. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe if it worked because maybe the expectations and criteria of marriage was different 50 years ago or 80 years ago. Today, I think because you want them to be a proper companion and really get you, like we were talking also about your relationship, you need that balance.

Proper partnership because they they kind of wear more than one hat not not just the mother of your kids or just your wife It's your go-to your advisor. So I learned that young marriage in my opinion young marriage has two advantages I used to say one it's two one that if you have kids the difference in age between you and your kids is small So you become buddies, which is pretty cool. Other than that, I never had anything I didn't think it was positive. But the second one that I recently added is you're ignorant and

And when you're ignorant, you don't overthink things. So for example, today at this age, I know how expensive it is to have children. And now if I get married, I'll really be careful how many kids I would have, right? But when you're 24, you figure it out. Like you have kids and you're not over, you just do the bungee jump, you know, you're not so scared. So I think there is some advantage to that, not recklessness.

But that like, I don't know, but I'm going to find out. We'll make it work. Yeah, we'll make it work. So that's what the young marriage. And I think that's what I learned. And I think it's such formative years. When you're in your 20s, you think you kind of know. But we were different people at the end of the marriage. Like literally. It's like you become another human. So for me, especially the 20s, if your trajectory is 10 degrees to the right and hers is 5 degrees to the left, you multiply that by 5 years.

And that's just trajectory. I didn't even talk about speed. Imagine, at some point one of you is looking at the other in the rear view mirror, at another point you don't even see them anymore. So I do think we change a lot. And as I always imagine the dolphins, you need to swim like the dolphins. Sometimes you're a bit front, they're a bit behind, but you're kind of still in harmony.

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So that's, I think, on the young marriage. Co-parenting has been great. This I would give advice. Oh, they say when you marry, you marry a family, especially in our world. I think you do. You marry the family. You don't marry only the person. Marriage.

you marry the family because your children, Lewis, will also be brought up in their household with her mother, with her father, with her siblings, with her auntie, her cousin, especially the children gravitate to the mother also. So it's not like only your wife is bringing him up or her up. So I knew the value also even more

my in-laws when I divorced because they're till today they're great until today I speak to my stepmom I speak to my ex-wife and they're lovely people they speak highly of me I speak highly of them and I realize how important and one of the best decisions I've made was to marry into their family really because when you're divorced then it's like when so you let somebody go in your business and

A lot of them are not nice because the benefit is gone. The contract or the agreement is gone. So now they don't have anything with Lewis. They can say he was a bad boss. I can't believe that. They can do everything. Just blame you. But if they leave and say, man, Lewis, one of the best periods of my life. Great leader. I learned a lot from him. Now, I always say judge people on how they leave. Mm hmm.

And I think when I left that family, they've been class. Wow. So that's helped us a lot in co-parenting. And we have two beautiful boys, so we're always in touch about them. And what was your third question about now? You said you're divorced. Yeah, you've been not married for 10 years now. What have you learned about being divorced and then single essentially for the last decade?

Yeah, I don't know if I'd get married again. Why not? Now I'm more open to it. If marriage is the fabric of your culture and your country. You're getting me now. Why would you not want to be in alignment with the values of your country and culture? Now I am more. Okay. And to be honest, I wasn't so much. Maybe it is the trauma. Maybe it is.

just trying, I was so focused on my businesses and it actually paid off. You got results. Yeah. And I think now I'm more open to the idea that in the last stretch of your 30, 40 years of your life, I'm 43 now, let's say another 40 years if we live healthily, hopefully, you start to think, okay, companionship is actually nice. Intimacy is actually nice. And that's what I'm trying to teach also my son. So with my son,

I told him, when we talk to our children, we say also Baba. It's funny. I don't know how in certain cultures we also say to our... So they say Baba to you, but you also say Baba. It's weird. But it's in our culture. So I was like, Majid, his name. I'm like, Baba, listen.

I don't want you to be brought up like the pop culture that we were brought up in. We were brought up with music videos and so many women and masculinity was defined by the quantity, not the intimacy. And I said, that's how we were brought up in school, in high school, in college. That's what we thought. You see movies, you see videos, you see music, and that's what you're taught as a man. You have a lot of women, you're a really masculine guy. And I told him, I don't want you to... I had to uninstall...

lot of that programming from my brain which still today is a process but I told him I don't want you I would love for you to have lived a life where you come and tell me dad I fell in love three times in my life the fourth one was my my love of my life and I married her I'll be so proud of you rather than you telling me I went out with 40 girls right like okay what does that even mean

Like, do you want me to clap? Because if you're charming, you'll probably go on. But that's not the goal. The goal is, can you be intimate? Can you be vulnerable? Can you build an honest, clean, not cheating or fighting or toxic? Can you build something healthy? I'll be so proud of you if you do that. And I want to instill that in my sons. Did you feel shame or...

some type of trauma when you went through the divorce based on cultural norms? Was there anything there or did you feel at peace about it? Divorce is not as scary as when my mother got divorced. When my mother got divorced, it was difficult for her, really tough. She went through a hard time in the society. Now it's way more open, but now I feel also some people are just too easy with it. Like they don't even wait.

I don't like when people give up too easy. Like in six months you're divorced, what does that even mean? What did you even do? Right. So I didn't face backlash from my society, but I'm sure there is some trauma somewhere. You know, when you invest nine years of your life with someone and you build a family with them, you can't be a robot and just think everything is fine. It's not.

And I think somewhere in your subconscious, you're like, okay, anti-vulnerability, anti-commitment. Anti-intimacy, yeah, all that stuff. And because I'm also a control guy. And control is you stay on the surface. Yeah, you don't go deep. You don't go deep. And that's not great. You have to, and vulnerability is bravery. Vulnerability is courage. And to say, I'm going to try. If it works, it works.

That's scary. Have you started to tap into your vulnerability and open your heart more since then? Yeah, in the latest years. In the last two years, maybe. The first eight years, no. No. All surface, all control, make sure everything's safe for you. Really? Yeah. How did that feel versus opening your heart more in the last couple of years? The thing is, look, people talk about...

it like it's black or white. We're very binary as humans and not everything, there is a beauty to everything. If you don't have anything serious and you're a person who's working a lot and you're working hard and enjoying your work and when you meet someone you meet someone but maybe it's surface, there's a beauty to it. Let's also not be foolish and say that oh no that's so sad and depressing. It doesn't have to be and also if you decide to be intimate there's another richness to it. The surface level relationship

Let's not call it ugly or disgusting because it's just hating on something that maybe somebody is not too excited about. Maybe we'll call it a very light sweetness to it. Light, but it's not rich, it's not enriching, it's not full of good ingredients. Maybe it doesn't feed the soul as much as maybe it will quench your thirst, but not proper. Now, intimacy, if done properly, and I think one day we need to sit and learn about your intimacy.

I think once you hit that correctly, that's a different flavor. That is like, you're like, you can't go back to being casual or surface. Because you just experienced companionship. You experienced pure love. That's beautiful, but not common. What do you think it will take for you to fully be intimate and allow for yourself to open your heart and be deeply in love?

I think inner work, I don't think it has much to do. I do believe there are certain, like you met Martha, right? She was a key to Lewis. She was one of the keys to your heart. I do believe we have keys around the world. I don't believe one soulmate. I believe soulmates.

I'm a probability guy. But is the probability that you're going to meet more than one in a lifetime? I don't know. Even if it's a hundred thousand around the world. It's you and your fortune, right? So when you meet one of those keys, I think you need to invest in that one at least. Now there is a key to Lewis's heart, but also Lewis, if he doesn't work on himself, he's going to throw that key out. He will not know how to deal with it. So to answer you, I think a lot of it has to be inner work. If your inner work and your inner awareness is

And I don't want to sound it like too TikTok-y. No, when I mean inner work, I mean proper. Like you talk to a proper therapist, you learn about yourself, you see your patterns, you see how you deal with people. Who are you actually attracted to? I was talking to my therapist about something very interesting. And it's, I think, a Carl Jung teaching.

And the idea is each of us has an inner image of the gender that you're attracted to. So I have an inner image of the girls that I'm attracted to that I'm not consciously aware of. So if you ask me as Louis Anas, which kind of woman is the ideal woman? I'll give you the Shapil, the one, two, three job description. I'm so clear. I know what they want. And she's this, she's sophisticated, well-traveled. I'll say everything. All the perfect things that probably anybody would say. But then you come and x-ray my track record. Then you're like, Anas...

you usually are attracted to somebody not exactly like what you just said maybe it's like 30% but 70% is not what you've been preaching and then Anas as me I have to actually see I'm like

My inner image of a woman, what is it? Is it aligned with what I'm telling Lewis verbally and consciously? And as long as they're very different, you're going to be screwed. We talked about how also you were attracted to certain women that are not good for you. So that's a pattern. That's your inner image of the girl that Lewis likes. And it's like a Velcro. So girl after girl is passing you, but one of them sticks. And you wonder why that one.

Why of that age and that personality and that look and that person? You start to see what's going on and then you have to understand why. So that's the inner work I'm talking about. When you understand your inner image of the person or the woman that you like should be actually aligned with what you would actually say on paper. What's the inner work you've been looking at that you've been most afraid to address? I'm not afraid.

That's the cool thing. I actually am not. I am a trier, I am a curious human.

So the funny thing is in my show, AB Talks, we talk a lot about mental health and all of that. And I never had a therapist, although I talk a lot about it. Because we were brought up, like we talked earlier, in a very reactive way. Like when you're in depression, you should get a doctor. No, you should see therapy as preventative maintenance, not reactive maintenance. Like going to the gym, even if you're in great shape,

You have to maintain it. Keep going. So I'm like, okay, I did first therapist, didn't work. Second, it felt like homework. Third one, third one clicked that I look for. He's in New York and we just met recently in person finally. And I'll bring up my notes, Lewis. And I'll be like, oh, really? Okay. And it's so fun to talk to him because he has a great mind. And I told him, listen, I don't want to vent. I'll vent for a bit, but I need a brain.

I don't want to lie down on a sofa and I talk already. I'm not a guy who is like introverted with my feelings. So I've done that. I need the brain that challenges me and asks me the right questions. So with him, I haven't been afraid. I'm just curious and I can talk about, man, I don't know how to build culture at work. And we'll talk about that that week. The next week I can say, you know, I really miss love. You miss love. Yeah. And we'll talk about that. So

It's beautiful to, you don't have to be in a very bad place just to talk to somebody. And if an outsider looks at Louis or Anas and says, let's look at your pattern. What's going on? You're like, man, I'm so frustrated every day. Why are you frustrated, Louis? Business, blah, blah, blah. Okay, well, let's dig in. And he compared my approach to business and how I approach relationships.

I never combined them. Wow. He compared it. Yeah. And he showed me the symmetry. What's the similarities of how you approach business and relationships? One of it is the control. You know, I'm not a controlling person. Like, where are you? Who are you with? I don't care about all of that. I love giving freedom because I also appreciate it for myself. So I can't preach what I don't practice. But surface level relationships. Control.

treating it like it's another meeting in your day it's not a meeting, relax

Relax. You don't have to go see them if you're feeling bad. You don't need to be a pleaser sometimes. And you're not a pleaser at work, so don't be a pleaser elsewhere. And you start to see, and you build your childhood also. Because a lot of how we are as our relationship with our mother, our relationship with our father, they say that you replicate the love language of the same gender parent, and you want the same love language as the opposite gender parent. Wow.

And when you think of it like, okay, Lewis' mom, even if, let's say, your mom wasn't expressive, but you're finally attracted to non-expressive woman because it's familiar. It's your comfort zone. But that doesn't mean that's what you need. So if you start to backtrack your childhood, your parenthood, your good relationships, you start to see what's going on. What are you attracted to? And what are you doing wrong? What's the biggest lesson that you've learned about yourself in therapy? Wow.

Dissecting why I am the way I am. That's been your biggest lesson? Learning how to dissect why you are the way you are? Because if I ask you, Lewis, why are you such a go-getter? Why are you so competitive? Why are you such a... You're like, I've been this way. That's me. But why? What happened at home? What happened in school? You know?

Were you bullied? Were you not? Were you the popular guy? Were you a person that identifies your value just with how good looking or how strong you are in a game, in a football game? Is that your worth? Where's your brain? What are you attracted to? Why do you need people to like your images and pictures and comment too much? You start to understand, for example, I am, we're eight boys and one girl, but my parents divorced and married and had more kids.

But from my mom and dad were three and we're so different Lewis. And I told David the doctor, I told him I don't come from a like a really poor background. I come from a comfortable background, more distant comfortable. But I behave like somebody who came from nothing. Like I know I have the drive or some of somebody that is so driven, so passionate.

But my brothers don't. And I don't mean it as I'm making fun. No, maybe it's better. I don't know. But why am I wired this way? What happened?

So that's a good question. What did you learn? We just started this like two weeks ago. But it's interesting. I'm the eldest. So we started there. I'm the eldest. And he said something along the lines. I don't want to quote because I don't want to say it wrong. But something along the lines that when you're the eldest, I was alone in Syracuse with my mother. And maybe I started to, maybe we still didn't reach there, but maybe I started to connect achievements with

and good deeds and good actions with pleasing my parents. Like, "Oh, they're happy now. I need to do more." "Oh, they feel I'm a good guy, a good boy." And maybe this is just one theory. We still started, so... But it's pretty cool. And I think being the eldest has a lot to do with it. What do you think is your biggest block from allowing you to love deeper and feel freer that you haven't yet figured out through therapy?

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Think it's hard. It's hard for you, but you have a show that's all about vulnerability It's easy to listen to vulnerability not be it It's easy to ask the questions and here's someone else but not be it interesting Of course, it's easy for you to tell me to go to the gym ten times, but you go ten times, right? It's much easier and I do respect vulnerable people I do appreciate and admire and that's what we need to push ourselves, especially as men Lewis and

When you really do, I've seen a lot of research and studies on men versus women. For example, I shot an episode with a psychotherapist about this. Did you know that parents tend to be much more loving to daughters than sons? So when the daughter falls and scratches her knee, you're like, oh, darling, are you okay? Your son goes, dad, it's okay, it's okay, get up, you're fine.

Look at that. They could be six each, six years, six years. You're training and conditioning them. You're telling him, stop crying, keep your emotions down, stop yapping. And the daughter's like, come here, let me clean it. And I'm not saying all families are like that, but it's a quite typical approach. Even if I was a dad, probably I would have done that by default. But then you think about it, like if he wants to cry, let him cry. If he feels hurt...

Treat it like you would treat your daughter. And I understand the world can be tough and you need the men to be men and strong and responsive, but they don't have to be suppressing emotions and getting angry or becoming toxic eventually. Do you still suppress your emotions?

Less because being a father makes it makes your heart softer Like he said he sent me on a plane with a nice movie. I probably tear up for sure especially on airplanes There's the whole research on it by the really because I always used to tear up on planes and I'm like There's something with planes and I actually research is the high altitude really the oxygen. Yeah, I

You could watch and add and be like... I know. I watched a movie, I don't know, a few months ago and I cried like three times. And I'm like, people next to me must be thinking I'm crazy. Man, that's interesting. And I will look forward to you being a dad. I know, I'm excited. I think you'd be a great dad. I feel like I would have been terrified in my 20s. I think I would have... I just don't think I would have done a good job. I mean, maybe I would have stepped to the occasion, but...

I didn't have any money. I didn't have a job. I think I would have just been terrified. I wanted to have been a good husband. Maybe I'd have been a good dad, but I wouldn't have been a good husband, I think, because I'd be out trying to make money and then coming home and thinking about the kids. Yeah. I wouldn't have known where to put priorities into. Priority needs to be with your partner, I believe, before the kids. 100%. Yeah.

Because they're going to grow up and leave. Exactly. Which they call an empty nest. Exactly. And you're with the partner who you probably neglected for the last few years. Yeah, exactly. And they're going to resent you and be frustrated the whole time. So I think that's the key in finding a... I don't know what it is. Do you know who Cesar Millan is? The dog whisperer? No. He's at a big TV show in America where he trains... He's a dog trainer. Okay. But his whole thing is he doesn't train dogs. He trains humans. Right.

So it's all about kind of rehabilitating humans on how to be a better leader in their life so they can lead their dog, right? Because most dogs lead the human. They're leading the way. They're pulling the hand. The guy I got to train my dogs trained me. That's what he does. Yeah. He got to train you on how to be more confident, more assertive, more of those things, right? Better relationship with yourself so that the dogs are going to look up to you and say, oh, he's a leader, not me. Yes.

Anyways, he said, you know, in America, we have it all wrong. In American families, when he's training mothers and fathers, right? And he said, he usually goes, the priority is, you know, mom first, then dog, then kids, then husband. And...

The husband is like, you know, what's in this for me? If I'm the last person here and I'm always, and I'm out hunting and providing, I'm working my butt for this family and she's putting the dog ahead of me. You know, it's like, so, and I'm sure the woman probably feels last in some cases too, but he was explaining how you've got to have the parents, you know, first priority, then the children, then the dog. If we're competitive as people and as men,

The competition, the true competition should be how can I win over my woman consistently on a long run rather than jump to 20 women. Why? If we really, again, we're probably competitive, me and you. We really think about it. If you're charismatic, you're well-spoken, you're good looking, you're healthy, you're well off, anybody, you'd be pretty good at probably any first date, probably the 10th date because you're an impressive human. You worked on yourself.

But is that really an achievement or is it that when you find somebody really good and you keep her loving you and not going routine and boring or neglecting or no keeping her really loving you even after 60 years, she's like man this guy is just unbelievable. That's way harder by the way. Way harder than winning over 10 random people and at the surface level. What do you think it's going to take from you to be able to create that in a relationship in your life in the future?

Because you've lived a life now of 10 years of singleness, of, you know, in a way, selfishness of not having to obviously show up for your ex-wife in certain ways, but it's not as invested in a partnership that you would have right now. Correct. You show up for your kids, all these things, but you're not in an intimate relationship where you're committed. What do you think it's going to take from you to be able to fully commit in a relationship and go all in and keep winning her over every day for years?

I like your questions, Louis. Because it's probably been a pretty good life over the last decade. Freedom. I don't have to, at surface level, I can have fun with people. I don't have to fully commit. I don't have to open my heart. I don't get hurt. I'm in control. I end it when I'm done. Like I said, there's a beauty to all scenarios. Of course. But there is also delusion. So when you don't know otherwise, you think that's it.

You know, there are a lot of nice quotes on this, but none of them are popping in my mind. But it's like when you haven't been on the other side of the hill, you think that's the hill, that's the world, right? What is that saying about the fish? Like the fish thinks this is like something, I need to search this. It's the only amount of water in the world. Something like that, you know, that you think this is it. So when you have been used to

diet relationships or lightweight, you think this life and it's nice and whatever and because you don't know else, you have no contrast or no benchmark. But when you try intimacy, which I have tried once in 10 years, you realize the beauty of intimacy. And once you know you can't undo,

It's like you have... It's tough man. It's tough to go back to the surface. It's literally in anything in life. You could go on a certain airlines and you think that's the airlines all of your life you're going. This is the standard. You don't even feel bad. The moment you try a really good airlines, good service, everything, you're like, oh, now you can go back. Yeah, it's tough. So the thing with intimacy is similar. The moment you have a serious relationship or a healthy one or pure love,

it's very difficult to go back to superficial love or superficial liking. So to answer you what would, and it's a bit different for me, Louis, because thank God I was blessed to have a good ex-wife. I was blessed to have children. So I don't have the peer pressure now. I have to just try this marriage thing. I don't have that peer pressure, which a lot of societies and cultures give you. Secondly, a lot of them get married for kids. I don't, if I have kids, great. If I don't, it's okay.

So suddenly in my subconscious, I don't have these drivers that a lot of people don't admit. Like today, even Gen Z, if I'm not mistaken, they're getting married earlier than some are. Yeah, because I do think it's the social media like, oh, he proposed and I posted it on TikTok and it flew. And they love that fantasizing idea of it. So my point is that I don't have those peer pressures. So now the criteria is only marriage.

proper compatibility and companionship. And to answer you, you need the key that we talked about, a really good key that when Louis or Anas is vulnerable and he's giving his love language, there is a ROI. You feel love too. So your love tank is also filling. If you always just give and you feel their love language is just not translating or vice versa, it's not a good relationship. And I think that's when you're like, let's say I give you a bit of me.

and I get a nice hug back or like a really good love language that I love. Oh, that's cool. OK, one more. Now I'm becoming more vulnerable because there's a return. You know what I mean? And then you're like, OK, now actually it's safe. Yes. And I think this is where you'd be willing with the right partner and the right intention internally. You can, especially if the love languages are compatible. I think that's so important. Yeah. This one man.

I've got two final questions for you. Okay. But I want to make sure people go follow you over on Instagram. You've got millions of followers on Instagram. You've got a massive YouTube show as well. Where should we connect with you the most? Where are you the most? Is it YouTube? Is it Instagram? Instagram I use personally. I like that platform. YouTube is my main hub for the interviews. Okay. It's the same name, Anas Bokash, on YouTube and Instagram. We'll have that linked up. Check that out there.

How else can we be of service to you today? How can you be of service to me? Yeah. I just appreciate you, Lewis, as a person. You're a good person. Thanks, brother. From what I feel as well. I can't x-ray you, but I do feel that. And I'm happy for you. And I'm happy when I see your partnership and I see how you're such a student, Lewis. I love that. You're curious. You want to learn. You want to be a better human.

And I like people like that. Yeah. You know? Very similar. Yeah, we are. Yeah. So I don't want anything. I think your company is nice and you're a good person. So it's nice to bugger. Good to see you, brother. I got two final questions for you. Tim. Before I ask them, I want to acknowledge you also for your evolution. I think being a successful business entrepreneur, leader, you know, you have a massive following. I think you talking about, hey,

I've lived a pretty good life, but I've also been holding back in my heart in certain ways that could expand me emotionally and help me evolve as a human. I think it's powerful for people to hear because living in Dubai, you could have anything you wanted any time, you know?

whether girls or whether it be food or what, you know, opportunities like you can have it all, it seems like, which can be fun and tempting, but also is it always fulfilling? Is it going to allow you to fully dive in and expand your inner world in that lifestyle? So you talking about this and you diving in with a therapist, finally, it's a good thing. And I acknowledge you for taking that on. And I'm excited to see what you create with your heart moving forward. You deserve to feel the expansive love of

of feeling fully emotionally safe within a relationship. And I think you've reached that. I feel like I have. In your personal life. And I love that. I feel like I wouldn't get married if I didn't feel that way. At this age, I would just stay single forever. Unless I felt emotional safety. I learned something recently. A friend taught me this. She said, do you want to know if you're in a good relationship? It's when your nervous system is at ease around that person. Yeah, that's how I feel.

And that's why I'm telling you, I've never had this much peace of mind. And I was talking to another friend recently about her relationship and her love life. And she was confused and all of that. And I told her, you want one way to measure if you're in a good, serious relationship and anybody can do this?

Watch how many times per week do you lose your peace of mind if it's once a week? It's too expensive. Yeah, if it's once maybe a month once every two months, that's normal We're human we argue we but if you're losing your peace of mind often There's something off some is off. So I really believe that you and the the video that always tends to go viral is

is when I talk about, and probably you can relate now because it seems like you're in a good relationship. I say when a woman or a man is truly in love and feeling safe, they turn into a young child, a kid. The girl, no matter how strong she is on the outside and how independent and a leader she is outside her home, she wants to come home and be a princess. The boy,

being tough and this decision maker and whatnot. He wants to come home and just be a little naughty, mischievous little boy and he can be silly with his girl. And you really, we all have to monitor which relationship made us feel that way. Because that's true vulnerability. You're you. You can be silly, sarcastic. You're not judged. You're not shamed. You're not trying to be the specific image that they want you to be.

Yeah. So bad relationships have a lot of shaming. You know, good relationships have celebration. Harder to set. Yeah. That's beautiful, man. I want that for you. Final question, my man. What's your definition of greatness? Oh, that's your question every episode? Yeah. Yours is how are you really, right? How are you really doing? Yeah. My definition of greatness. I think success is a very subjective thing.

People think it's one. It's money, cars, life, family, kids. People think success has one definition. It's very wrong. Because some person just loves to bake cakes in his small cafe. And he has his two kids and he finishes. And that's his best success. That's his greatness. And we have no right to say, oh, that's not great. He should have a tower. But he doesn't want a tower. He's okay with his small coffee shop. He's happy.

So then we have to decide for each person that success is subjective. What is yours? What is yours? It's very different. For me, my only, I don't know if it's a fear. I don't think it's a fear. It's a concern. I'm not afraid of death, but I always hope not to die before achieving a good level of my potential. At least 80%. Then I can go. But my greatness is that if I feel...

Of course, other than being blessed with my great family and my health and my country and the life I've built for myself. Other than that, I do want to elevate mindsets. That's my goal is to provoke thought, to make people consider, to make people think twice. Maybe they'll still disagree with me, but I made you think. I made you consider something else. And if I can do that and you can do that and people can do that, we're elevating the next hundred years. Even after this pandemic.

little interview that we're doing and yours on mine and 0.1% you did something you changed somebody's way of thinking and imagine we multiply those kind of conversations across years we are elevating the next generation of our kids to have different ways of looking at life and hopefully a much better advantage than we did so that's greatness that's not now thank you appreciate bro you too thanks man

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