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announced yesterday by the White House that Donald Trump will make his decision on Iran within the next two weeks. Now, that could be today, that could be tomorrow, that could be over the weekend, that could be next week. Within two weeks. Here's what she said. Now, regarding the ongoing situation in Iran, I know there has been a lot of speculation amongst all of you in the media regarding the president's decision-making and whether or not the United States will be directly involved.

In light of that news, I have a message directly from the president, and I quote, based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks. That's a quote directly from the president for all of you today. Wow.

Anyway, here to weigh in on all of this, what it means is Jeff Lord, a friend of the program, longtime friend of the program, host of the Word of the Lord podcast, which is probably the best name of a podcast ever made. Anyway, and Aaron Cohn is with us, an Israeli trained career special ops and intelligence veteran. Welcome, both of you. Hi.

I don't want to read too much into the president's decision, certainly as information that none of us have and intelligence that none of us have. And and maybe this has to do with military operations and getting all your ducks in a row.

to maximize the chance of success here. I'm not really sure Jeff, what's your take? Yeah, I, I think that, uh, you know, it reminds me, as you know, I work for president Reagan and, uh, he reminds me very much. And I've said this to him on occasion. He used to, he used to joke when he was running that I was always on TV comparing the Ronald Reagan, but I think there's a reason for it. Uh, president Reagan was very much the hardliner, uh,

One of the stories that comes up, a couple of stories, one of the stories told to me by my friend Ken Duberstein. We were at the Franklin Marshall College together, and he later became Reagan's chief of staff. He was in the car with President Reagan on the way to the Berlin Wall,

where he gave that famous speech and the deal was that this speech line mr gorbachev carried down this wall had been in and out put in by the speechwriters taken out by state department types etc back and forth i thought it was i thought it was taken out repeatedly and reagan kept putting it back in am i wrong on that no no you're not you're not wrong you're not wrong but there are others on the staff that wanted it in and others that wanted it out so they're in the

car literally on the way to the wall for him to give this speech. And Reagan is going through the draft and it's not in there. And he turns to Ken Duberstein and says, it's not here. What should I do? To his everlasting credit, Kenney replies, you're the president, Mr. President. And as we know, the rest is history. And he didn't fool around with his stuff. Early on, when he first took office, one of our staff members asked him, you know, Mr.

President, how do you think this will come out? What is your view of all this, meaning the Cold War? And Reagan says, simple, we win, they lose. I think Donald Trump is very much of that mindset when he deals in foreign policy. I think he is too. Aaron Cohn, as you analyze events here,

uh clearly uh iran has become a clear and present danger they've got too close to nuclear capability uh i think the israelis have done a masterful job of taking them out and so from my vantage point uh i mean even prime minister netanyahu said with or without america's help the the fordove

nuclear facilities not going to survive. I do think it would be better if it was a joint military exercise. That's my own personal view. But, you know, President Trump is the one that's elected. He's the commander in chief. He has access to intelligence that I don't have access to. It's up to him. Yeah, Sean, I agree with you. I think that this pause is part strategic pressure. And

And I think he's watching Iran and, you know, how long is it going to take for Israel to keep softening Iran? So right now the IDF has total air superiority. They're flying over with live intel. They're hitting whatever they want, Sean. It's like it's a turkey shootout there right now, which is what I'm hearing from my sources in Israel.

And Trump knows the longer Israel has the freedom of operation, the more damage gets done and the less the U.S. has to lift outside of Fordow, which I think he's evaluating right now.

And so if the U.S. bunker busters are needed, meaning if Israel doesn't put together an actionable plan that can get to the core of that mountain 300 feet underground there, he'll use them. I think he will. I don't think Trump, you know, I don't think he's a BSer. I think he's the real deal. When he says he's going to do something, he's going to do it. But if Israeli special ops, you know, can bring in some kind of magic operation that neutralizes the site without dragging people

into anything broader, I think he'll lean into that. So I think he's prepping. Um,

And then there's also that little piece about the regime change. I know Trump has been very clear we don't want that right now, but what Israel pulled off with the Mossad being behind the wire, Sean, for months, building an actual base outside of Tehran with those drones where they unleashed hundreds of them across Iran to take out missile sites and batteries and different bases and leadership. Remember, Sean, in the first –

48 hours, the IDF eliminated the chief of staff of the IRGC. So, you know, in that first phase. So I think now you're talking about the Iranian Revolutionary Guard for people that don't know. But they also took out their top scientists. They took out their top military leaders. The fact that the Israelis had were able to get drones inside deep, deeply penetrated inside Iran and had drones.

a line on where all these people were is amazing. Yeah. I mean, it's what Israel does best, especially when they're under direct threat. Israel has to be creative. You know, this is survival for us. So when Israel comes together, it gets it done. But I feel like there's a piece of me that believes that there's some quiet exploration about what happens when

If that bunker buster gets dropped, can there be some type of dissent plan put in place for someone like Pahlavi, who's in D.C., the son of the former Shah? Can those military generals, whoever's left in the police and the security forces, can they be migrated to really make a legacy play here at the same time? Now, I don't think that's the first goal of this operation.

But ultimately, I think the bigger picture needs to be looked at. And Trump's made some pretty incredible strategic decisions. You were with him in the Middle East when he was down in the Gulf and he pulled in trillions of dollars from the Arabs in the Gulf states for investment. So I think he's just sort of looking at the whole thing. Meanwhile, you know, let's hurry up and wait, buddy.

Let Israel keep softening and flying over the skies and have some talks with Pahlavi. Can we pull a revolution together that's going to be minimal damage, minimal civilians injured or killed? And can we flip this regime? Because at the end of the day, you can hit Fordow, Sean, but you can't change the crazy making the calls.

So what's the real root of the problem? It's this Islamic whacked-out leadership. And I've got to think he's having those conversations. Well, I've got to believe he's having those conversations. I do think there are different motivations for both the United States and Israel. I mean, I'm paying very close attention to the president's words, Jeff, and they cannot have a nuclear weapon, unconditional surrender.

That's a very Reagan-esque trust but verify. That's right. That's exactly the situation here. And one of the things that I think cannot be underestimated is the feelings with the Iranian people themselves. I think that this regime is not at all popular.

with their own people. And I think that given the right circumstances, their people are going to turn on them. And that would be a very amazing thing to see. Well, I think that certainly the people have been oppressed. It was fascinating. I think one of the most fascinating things to watch all week is

Aaron is when Donald Trump took to social media and said, if you're in Tehran, Tehran, get out now. And then all of a sudden the streets were clogged with millions of people. There's a population there of 10 million people and they're getting the hell out of Dodge listening to Donald Trump. Well, it's obvious that Trump is speaking Farsi through through some no nonsense signaling. I feel like he's understood this since day one when he took office.

Good. Let those images come out. Let's see the miles and miles of Iranian civilians fleeing into Azerbaijan or wherever they're headed. Israel's got plenty of friends in Azerbaijan, too, who can keep an eye on things over there. If anyone crosses over, that shouldn't be disappearing. I think the Iranians are fed up with this regime, Sean.

So I think that was evident, though, during Trump's first term, wasn't it? Because as they were going bankrupt, the people were rising up in the streets of Tehran. And Joe Biden sent him a lifeline by turning a blind eye to the sanctions that were bankrupting them.

That's right. And he didn't hesitate, President Trump didn't hesitate to send a little love package, a little care package to Soleimani, who was the number one bully for the IRGC. And he went bye-bye. And so I think if Israel continues to do its forward operations and

And I think let's keep putting all those images out there to show the – look, here's where I'm at. I think it's about showing the Iranian people through Mossad that incredible operation. I think it's about all the air – this air campaign where Israel is just absolutely obliterating all of these targets. It's about showing the Iranian people you have nothing to be scared of.

Because right now, the IRGC is looking weaker by the minute. The moment the Iranian people feel confident that they can stand up, which is just a question of time, at the end of the day, Sean, the mullahs are going to lie. They're going to...

to mislead about, even if a deal is made, they're going to lie. It's in their blood. It's part of their doctrine. No waiting out until the next term, until someone else comes into office. So, again, I'm going to go back to what are we doing to get to the root of the problem and can we create change in a world where we're not really good at changing regimes? Is there a way to do that and really remove these idiots, they

dangerous mullahs from the table completely. We'll kill as many of them as we can, but what's the next play to make sure? Well, I mean, I've always found regime change to be somewhat precarious because you don't know what you have on the other side of it. However, and I'll throw this to Jeff Lord,

However, can you really do any worse than what you got now? And I don't think that's going to be the U.S.'s goal. Israel, after being hit with hundreds of thousands of missiles, they could do whatever they want.

as far as I'm concerned, because they've been the victim of this terror state, the biggest victim. If we have learned anything from history in these kind of situations, there are people there in Iran right now, and neither you nor I nor the world at large knows their name, but they're there, and they are there working their darndest to overturn this regime and get them out.

And I'm sure they believe, and I think they could well be right, that they've got a lot of popular support for it. So that it's just a question of time before this comes into play. But I think that that's what's happening in slow motion right in front of our eyes.

Yeah, I think it's definitely happening. Quick break. We'll come back more with Jeff Lord and Aaron Cohn on the other side. Then we'll get to your calls. 800-941-SHAWN, our number as we continue this Friday. Pure Talk, my wireless company, a veteran owned company, believes every man, every woman who has faithfully served this country deserves to proudly fly an American flag that was made in America.

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All right, we continue. Aaron Cohn and Jeff Lord is with us. 800-941-SHAWN is our number. We'll get to your calls coming up this Friday as well. I do take the president at his word. I think that this is going to be a very critical two-week period. I think that the U.S. military is clearly on the march, and they're getting well positioned in the area, in the region. And I think the president obviously has every intention to strike if need be. Where do you think this heads, Aaron? Final prediction.

I think that Trump will drop that bomb if the Israelis can't pull it off. I think the Israelis might be able to pull off something at Fordow. I think the next two weeks are going to be extremely kinetic. But again, where I come out is you don't flip Iran with a bomb.

You flip them by decapitating them and pulling together a legitimate opposition leader and the millions of Iranians ready to risk it all, Sean. And I believe they're not alone. They're all abroad in the diaspora. I think that's the only real solution. But the next two weeks are going to be a thump. It's going to be kinetic. Fordow might get blasted. Good.

You know, let's at least set the nuclear program back a couple of years, because that's what counterterrorism is, Sean. We just want to buy time. You can't defeat terrorists unless you pull in a new regime. And if that's not on the table, then let's slow them down.

Yeah. Aaron Cohn. We'll give the last word to Jeff Lord. Jeff, how is this going to play out? Yeah, I think there will be change. I think change is underway right this minute. And we may not know it all yet, but I think it is in the process of happening. And I think that the people themselves...

are on the edge of popular rebellion here. And I think that that's what's going to push this over. I mean, we've just seen this too many times in human history is that they don't, they sort of count out the people and then, you know, there's an uproar. And I think that's in the process of happening right this minute. Well, I appreciate both of you. Don't forget Jeff's podcast, The Word of the Lord, Jeffrey Lord.

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There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of, and I've been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact. Unbelievable.

Now this is what she's saying. She so regrets. She feels terrible about having asked the question. It was such a heart-hitting question. I ruined the whole thing. Quite a bit of news created some viral moments. I guess I'll start with Sonny. Sonny ruined it. It's Sonny's fault she didn't win. Sonny, we can't ignore the fact that you may have single-handedly taken down the Democratic Party.

Some would say democracy itself. With one question that you asked Vice President Harris about what she would do differently than President Biden. He all remembers that. Hard to forget. Take me back to that moment. How?

How hard did you think that question was going to be? Well, did you know instantly that this was going to be meaningful the way she answered it? I knew it instantly when she answered it, which is why I asked the follow-up question, is there one thing? You know, because I knew, I just, I could see the soundbite and I knew what was going to happen. But I thought it was a really fair question and I thought it was a question that she would expect. It wasn't a gotcha question.

By any means. It shouldn't have been a gotcha question. And now Jake Tapper wrote it in his book? It's honestly in every 2024 recap book is kind of the moment. But it speaks. You can't make this up. You really can't.

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I know it's a week from tomorrow. So excited. Then we'll be in Fort Lauderdale the night after on Sunday. I'm really excited. By the way, are you coming?

well here's the thing i own a restaurant less than three miles from ruth eckardt wait a minute we know each other we do because you you you have the brewery don't you we well it's um a restaurant and bar and we named a beer after you called the shanity is this shanity is it a best seller is one of your better sellers well it's it's

going to be flowing pretty heavy next Saturday night for sure. So we wanted to invite you and treat you and thank you because we've been talking to you since we opened during COVID. So we're in our fifth year. And every time I speak with you, you bring people to the restaurant. Everybody supports you. They love you.

And so this has been what everybody's been talking about coming in the restaurant the last like month. - Oh, I've gotta stop by. I gotta find time to stop by. I have no idea what my schedule is like that day. I haven't even looked at the schedule part of it. We've just been trying to get the show the way we want it.

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I definitely, I got a question because I love meat. What kind of meat do you serve in your restaurant? Everything's homemade. So everything from pork belly to Philly cheesesteaks to. Oh man, I think you just won me over a Philly cheesesteak. Okay, keep going.

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Well, Wendy, I hope everyone in Clearwater, if they haven't been there, go to the Outpost. I have other friends of mine that are going to be there. They're restaurant owners. Have you ever stopped at a Chicken Salad Chick? Oh, I love Chicken Salad Chick. Absolutely. Isn't it so good? Yes. The friends of mine own it. Actually, I felt so bad for them. One of their locations, I guess it's going on close to a year now, burned down. They've been rebuilding it.

So scary, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that, yeah. I know, it's so scary. But thank God they've been able to rebuild and their customer, they actually opened up like in the parking lot like a few days a week and their loyal customers come just on the days they're in the parking lot. How cool is that? How great are people in the community? They're so awesome. I love that.

Yes, very good. We're hearing all great things and we can't wait to see you. So hopefully you'll have... It's going to be a great show. It's going to be irreverent, politically incorrect, no holds barred, and we're taking on all comers. It's going to be great. All right, Wendy, I'll be seeing you one week from tomorrow. Then the next night, Fort Lauderdale.

Punchlines and Patriots are going to have fun. Todd in Utah. What's up, Todd? How are you? Yes, Sean. Greetings from Utah. Big fan. Love your show. Oh, thank you, my friend. I love Utah. Speaking of food, Utah, have you been to a Crown Burger?

I almost said that, Land of the Crown Burger. I know you're a Crown Burger fan. Oh, it's delicious. All this food talk is making me hungry. It's not good. I might have to go get one after this call. So I got a question for you. So it seems to me like if Trump bombs, takes out their nukes, the

The big fear is that their atoll is going to set loose his proxies and all his people all over the place to go after our military bases or our ships at sea, but...

My question to you is, he knows where the Ayatollah is. Do you think he did the same thing to him like he did? Was it the Taliban leader? I love the story where he told the guy, look, this is where you are. If you hurt any of our servicemen anywhere in the world, I'm going to take you out. No, he actually, what he did was, before he even would negotiate a withdrawal, he got on the line with the head of the Taliban and

And he said to him before we even negotiate it, you understand if if if one hair or one head of any American is hurt, I'm holding you accountable. And then he sent him his exact location where he was taking the phone call.

Are you sending me a picture of my house? Why do you think you idiot? Because I could take you out right now. That's a pretty powerful message. Right. Right. I love that story. Do you think he did the same thing with the Ayatollah? Cause he knows where he is. And if he did, do you think it would work on him? Like it did the Taliban? Um, the answer is, I don't know. I mean, Donald Trump's not wanting to keep a lot of secrets. He, he, he's, if you want to keep a secret, don't tell Donald Trump. I can tell you that much.

uh except for the secrets obviously he has to keep but um you know he he loves to tell those stories because they're they're history making and he's been a part of it i think my favorite story is when he was debating hillary clinton and the way he tells it is he's in his you know dressing room and he's waiting for the debate and you know he knows this is right after access hollywood and he's like all right

Mr. Trump, 10 minutes, sir. 10 minutes, sir. Five minutes. Then he says, sir, it's time. And he said he's sitting there and he's standing on one side. Hillary's standing on the other side. And he hears. All right, Asia, five, four, three, two, Asia, Asia, you're alive. Australia, five, four, three, two, one. Australia, you're alive. Europe, you're alive. You know, it goes through.

and the way he tells it he pauses and he goes then I'm thinking what the hell did I get myself into which by the way you can imagine high pressure moment in life right

Right. I love it. It's a beautiful story. Well, I hope he does. I hope he puts down the letter on the law to that guy so that the Ayatollah knows, hey, you set your people loose. I'm going to evaporate right where you're sitting because it sure seemed to work on the Taliban guy. And I just hope it works on the Ayatollah, but I'm not confident. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, Todd, I appreciate your call, man. God bless you. Go get yourself a crown burger. I appreciate your call. 800-941-SHAWN is a number if you want to be a part of the program. Jay in New Orleans. What's up, Jay? How are you? Thanks for taking my call. Thank you for calling. I've been seeing a lot of Putin and Xi Jinping sending Trump advice on how to handle the Iran conflict.

You know, I don't think they really care, but they're making money off of the U.S. sanctions that we put on Iran. But they both say that they don't want Iran to have nukes. So why don't we publicly ask them to stop the war by putting severe world war death, worldwide sanctions on them? Because we can't do that by ourselves. Then if they don't agree, you know, we'll see that they don't care.

But if they do agree and it works, it could eliminate the end of war and eliminate the threat. What do you think? Listen, I'm just telling you right now from my vantage point, you know, I

I think the president's on top of it. I just have the confidence that he's going to do it. Remember, he's always got information we don't have. Right. So we have to start with that understanding. And if you understand he doesn't have it, you know, you've got to trust the process. He's proven himself over and over again that he's willing to do what is necessary in cases like this. So I have every every belief and confidence that he will this time. Do you do you doubt that?

- Well, I'd worry about the long term and really if-- - You gotta worry about the long term. You gotta worry about the short term. No military operations without risk, right? - Yeah, but if Russia and China weren't buying from them, they would dry up and die. - That's a good point. You're right. But you know what? We can't control the Russians, obviously, and we can't control the Chinese, obviously. - Yeah, I don't think they wanna help anyway.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I wish I could. I wish everything was sunshine and rainbows and life was like that, but it's not. I mean, every day there is evil in this world and you have to recognize evil for what it is. I mean, you wouldn't believe like the evil that exists. You know, I mean, people that just try to be evil to me. I mean, it's unbelievable.

Well, anyway, I appreciate the call. Andrea is in Texas. God bless Texas. Andrea, we got about a minute. It's all yours. Thank you, Sean. I've got a lot of people in my family that are military. I know you're not, but I want to thank you for the service that you do. I do have two points. I promise to be succinct. Number one, last term,

Trump's first term, there was the Air Force that had their anniversary. They had a massive air show. It was on Fox. It was all the airplanes from the beginning of air until now. Nobody said he was a king then. So what's the deal now with the Army? That's it. They need to remember it's already been done. So tell them just to hush on that. And point number two is,

Whatever happens in Israel and Iran, I don't want us to know about it until after it happens. That's what made World War II successful is we were not – I mean, this need to know. No, sometimes we don't need to know. The element of surprise is what we need right now. Personally, I would love for those bunker busters to go in there and –

Just to show China and Russia, we follow through. Don't mess with us. I think it would be a very strong, powerful message for every evil regime to see the U.S. follow through on their commitment to take out these nuclear sites. But you know what? We've got time.

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