Aaron Rodgers: Epstein’s Death, Psychedelics, Fake Vax Cards in the NFL, and Pat Tillman
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We are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do IT honest check out all of our content at tucker carlson doc. com. Here's the episode. We've never done anything in here before. This is actually our dining room table, as you know, your dinner here last night.

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We just move the chairs out, but we actually, I mean, this is our family dining room. Uh, so and I just thought I don't want to be in a studio anymore.

Studios is right there.

Studios right there. It's like tiny and there's something i've been at my whole life, right? Let me just, I just got ta ask you, this is like, thank you for dinner.

My time, by the way, thank you. That was amazing, really special. I don't know you. You got home. I was like.

that was pretty.

You're wandering around in A T shirt in the freezing. All okay. This is just I just okay. So I asked him to pull a bunch of news stories. I've been a little bit out of IT is the guardian. Scientists have created a vaccine that has the potential to protect against a broad range of corona viruses, including varieties not yet known about the experimental shot, which has been tested in mice. So it's a vaccine that doesn't protect you against anything specific, but just against kind of like everything that might happen to you.

Supposedly.

you just leaving the science suede, but is a pure kind of a marketing question if you're to see who who makes this a my guess the all the same but some company makes this if you the company making this. Do you really think people are going to be up at this point for a vaccine that just has no real purpose, but just sly kind of for the sake of a vaccine because of today? Yeah, today?

No, I don't think so.

Do you think a single personal by that?

Yeah, for sure. People, this is so much fear still mean people, people are scared still. I think a SAT of population, they still, people drive around the masks.

Yeah no, that's true. And i'm I try not to be judgmental because I think, of course I am very judge mental. I I I think they're mentally ill, but then I feel you i've known a lot of my friend's family members mental mental. So I I try to think you I should feel compassion for them.

I have a lot more compassion for them actually and an empathy um and i've been a strong against vex, against Mandate, against lockdowns, against SE IT. I think the last few months i've been looking things a little bit differently and I think it's time for a lot of us to to maybe um adjust some of the approach I were doing a minute. Obvious ly hasn't work. We were trying to wake people up.

I think yeah with a the studies that are out there now all the time and with the articles with the change and stances by everybody from chis o downtown, you know either had vaccine injuries or side effects or um just look at things differently um and it's caused me I think I have a little bit more empathy and compassion for those people who at tonic fier you know thought they're on the right time, yes, for themselves, for their friends, for their families and went through all the mass formation psychosis that we all did. This is full court propaganda against us and are now going, oh shit, maybe maybe that wasn't the best. Maybe they lie to us.

Maybe, maybe they they weren't being truthful. Maybe this wasn't safe, even though they said from the beginning, in one hundred percent safe, effective. Everybody, from biden to the head of the F, D, A 和 C， D, C, on down. W, H, O. So I think it's important for us if we want to make a difference, which I do and I do not necessary want to be way or the conversation anymore um is how do we call people forward to like um with compassion and kindness that a just come over to the to the side of of being awake to what's going on because I think we all need come to the grips that this could happen again.

I think people you know most people took the vacs, obviously and what would I feel like if you had that in your body? I mean, it's like the horror movie is coming from inside the house. no. I mean, if you had taken the vex, how would you feel right now? You'd be worried.

I would be worried for sure. And and then if I was so special for IT, uh, and now i'm realizing, oh I might have I might have endangered myself, my loved ones, my kids. If you forced up upon kids, yes, like they did.

Um the powers that be um pushed towards all different ages. Um the studies just came out about pregnant women were forty four percent of the women in the study had miss carriages. We're given the vaccine.

You know like it's like there's a lot of crazy research that's out right now would make people feel a life shame, I think, and guilt. And I grew up kind of in that culture. Yes, in a different .

way of where to .

now you're on IT that was import was a part of of everyday life. Was those too feeling and that's a tough way to live. So how do we call these people for award delic? Uh, in love and acceptance, not forgetting what happened, how we are treated, how we are cancer, how I mean everybody from yourself to me, the mutual friends that we have um but like calling people were they like step into the the truth um and and and that there isn't shame and guilt on the side.

Would you like outside now, justifiably at times, because the way we treated yes feels he was like, we need going to get some get back, I totally agree with, but at some point I was talking to jail about this kind of off camera rogan. But like, how do we have bring everybody back on the same side? Because this has been very divisive and everything in our culture I was so divisive um but how do we give people more line on the same page? And I think it's only with long compassion, forgiveness. And now I admit i've been very combat of about this, because I was attacked first times when you attacked even one of just fuck .

and fight back. I to.

of course, but IT hasn't has a really accomplish. I wanted compass, like, in my mind, my ego was like one, to be able to convince these people that they were wrong.

You throw the science bag that you think somehow yeah, that's gonna matter. People talk about science, all they actually care about science. Not at all. Of course. That has no effect.

I mean, how has that been for you? Um because you were one of the first to talk about all the time and fox and actually that's um what made me tune in every night was like what's talking to say and then they didn't want me to do that. But like there was obviously some cancellations, some shaming. I'm sure that made up then why they let you go. But IT wasn't.

There was a lot of people. He was a sign of disobedience. And by the way, I didn't want to be disobedient. Actually, I didn't want to fight about the facts at all. I never.

But you had all the, all the people that have going a rogan, you had rubble belong on there. You had course, you had peer core. You had Peter maka, right? I mean, all these people in the beginning.

because I just for a doctor from .

taanach d as well, of course.

Yes, I had a different understanding of science, which was that it's not a set of facts. It's a process. It's a way of thinking .

yeah and and need to be questioned. That's the whole otherwise .

it's an unending series of questions. We think we know this. How do we know it's not so different from what journalism used to be, which is like a process of it's a process is way of thinking.

It's skepticism. Polite, reasonable skepticism is rooted reason though in the belief that we can get to the truth are closer to the truth using logic and um that was just abandoned immediately. That was the table for me. I know nothing about vaccines. I still don't know much about vaccines, but I know a lot about people.

And I saw people saying things like just shut up and do IT because it's science and then I thought, well, that's the opposite of science yeah and was and I and I also got a very senior vibe right away. And just my gut level was, I don't know what this is. I'm not doing that.

And others, my family. But the weird thing is, is why I so preciate. What you just said is I don't really know that many people who got fixed. I don't live in a vast world at all um my kind of people given where I live and the people I like and how I spend my free time like they are not the people got the back. So I don't spend really any time with people who would defend that and I think I need to think much more about IT and and realized I all of us live in a tiny our own tiny little words and we think we are mainstream, but we're not.

And and to the algorithm were in an echo change where one of you or not, you know.

because this were seen no, it's totally right. I someone said me the day me was you. Do you know anyone who didn't get the vx who's upset he didn't get the wax? yeah.

Does anyone regret that decision? No, no, right. Not one person ever, but people who did get to actually, which is why I love what you said.

I think they do regret IT. And I think that when you're doing something wrong, you're very defensive about IT. I used to smoke cigarettes, and they tried to make me feel shame for smoking cigarettes.

And I always like smoking cigarette and publicly came up smoking cigarette. And because I sort of new gratitude, smoking cigarettes not good for you. But I got my hackles up and I was more aggressive IT.

Would you like a cigarette? Would your child like a cigarette? I mean, sorry, i'm not being that because I knew what I was doing was wrong. yeah. And do you feel like that part of what's going on here?

I think there's there's a big spot that's like that. There's the other spot that goes I did this because you told me to do and this was Mandates and now you're walking back all those things you said to me back then. Now there's some anger.

So is the whole populations like me to keep doing this? I am going to wear my mask and public and am going to get another booster in your folking face, right? And then there's the other group is like, I know I did this to keep my job to like keep from being cancelled, to keep you off my back.

And now you gonna walk back and say you didn't say that we're safe, effective, and you didn't say I wouldn't get or or or I wouldn't acquire or transmit covin. Like you're what you mean. You're now you change in history.

That is the only reason I got IT. You said this is the only way to be safe and there was no side effects and that was all that I booster. That was all stuff that was set and there's videos out that you can check.

So there's that side of the population that all the hold the fun like, yeah, you said all this stuff now you're walking this back and so I feel you know and then there's the other said that doesn't want engage IT, all that did IT and now has a lot of fear around IT, a lot of shame around IT. And so I think two of those three groups of people we can kind bring in, you know, there's a compassion and kindness. Compassion and kindness for the person is still where in a mass to especially.

And I can't relate that type of fear, but I understand what is like to be scared of things and and just a fear. the. To feel like you should still have to do that, like that's a really should a place to live.

So like strong compassion and kindness, and it's easy to make fun of those type people when you're on the way other side. But like what is that to actually accomplish if we want to come together more? And I look, i'm guilty at times for sure, but like i'm tired of that. I don't want to be a part. I I want to be a part to bring .

people to so strongly agree with that. One was last time you saw a national leader trying calm people down about anything, ever.

No, I would .

love IT if somebody in elected office work with a lot of influence nationally, where to stand up and say, let's start with what we know. We're all gonna die, probably terrified and alone so that we know we're going there. So in light of that, why are we afraid of anything actually, given that our faith are all sealed? Like, doesn't that liberate us?

I think so. I think that's a great place to be. You know, like when you step into this, you personally want something about you.

When you stepped into this this round, you the number one, I 个 number one shows nightly and the stuff you were taken on and and the way that you were hosted there and then you go to x and you the fucking what the interview should go on， the numbers you go, then you go and interview putin like you're putting yourself in in harm's way like and I commend you, just like I command Bobby Kennedy because there there's Bobby said recently, there's a lot worse things than dying. That's for sure and I commend you as I command Bobby like there's understand enough for what you believe in and doing your job. You don't. Old school, I hate the safe at old school journal. M where you're .

just I am old, I am hold fortunately.

Like, but when you go into that, that is just a big back of what you just said. Like I don't know this but personally, but I know that you must have a relative with death where you realized that is inevitable. And you know, i'd rather like live the way I want live, stand for what I believe in then like live in a fear that something could happen.

I might rather be a free man in my grave um so of course, yeah. And by the way, I have a massive advantage of having grown children. So when you have little kids at home .

and I haven't had a very .

adventurous or dangerous life, but a couple time, one time in particular, I was pretty sure I was going to die a little kids at home and um I was in a plane crash and I remember if I was going down, I was like, oh my gosh, you know, they're gonna thrive if I die I mean that really terrified me and but now they're grown it's like, I am gonna die yeah so this we know and I meditate on that a lot.

I don't think it's more bit I think it's liberating. And so then you realized like what what you going to do to me is i'm not afraid at all and I mean that you may have come to the obvious conclusion that the real debate is not between republican and democrat or socialist and capitalist, right left. The real battle train people who are lying on purpose and people who are trying to tell you the truth.

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But I can't admit that because he makes me like an s all a week, like a follower. I understand that too. The people who called for the death of the unvaccinated ated, that's that kind of the category. That's harder for me. For people with camel, for example, who famously .

said shen well .

and shown pen as well, I know actually in sort of like, but what what I like a month after hearing that, what how do you treat people like that? Who wanted you to die? Doctor felt, he said, that if hospitals get any more over craft that are going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an I C U B, and that choice didn't seem so tough to me.

Vaccinated person, hard to take. Yes, come right on them. We'll take area. Unvaccinated guy, gold horse.

rest in peace with you. I think you frame that in the right, in the right place like there's there is a great mash up that rogan talked about a few times where there was all these different shows. And it's brought to you by fizz Anderson Cooper, brought to you by father.

I think I ve ve to realized that there's it's all about the money and and if you get into this, you read bobbies book about their anthing fouche. You realized if you want to know what really go on on not just a big farmer, but government is bother the money and and even in of I mean, there was a strong push. They sent studies out to every team to try and enforce a vaccination level above ninety percent.

Every team with zero exemption was zero um uh informed consent. Uh just get this so that we look good because big farmer ad spend is humongous, not just on the late night shows. It's obviously influence is hollowed wood. The nf, fl, so you have to understand who .

is actually a navy seal. Front of the other day had just got navy. And like professional athletes, to me, these were the last people who needed the wax. And so there was this intense push to make them all get the wax. He left the navy over IT, but he said most of his friends on the seal team he was on did not get the vx, got fake vx cards because they knew they're very touch with their physical health, their seals, not so different from an nfl player. How many nfl players actually got to achieve?

Any idea? I don't have any idea. I know that i'm i'm sure that there was plenty who got fake red like you know there's um I think there's a base level of a hesitancy around just A A big farmer, medicine and general who .

you black seventy percent like I I about some of human experiments .

that went on and ridiculous things in some of those communities if you know about you know what's gone on in foreign countries as well with some of these vaccines uh but I uh places like africa oh yeah um where people have been mad and killed, paralyzed by these vaccines, many of which are not actually approved anymore in the states. Get sent over to again, that's a reference to something the Bobby talked about in this book about fault.

I um there's a lot of interesting chapters around that. So on a base level, there was a lot of his cy, like I don't think this is I want to do this, but in the nfl was like if you're working thirteen, there was no choice. There was IT was give facts, if you're a player, there was a choice.

But if you chose not to get IT, then you had a whole different set of rules. You had to were a different color. R ban had you couldn't go to a restaurant, you couldn't spend time at someone's house and one, three people were there.

Uh, you couldn't go anywhere on the road. You um you know had to test every single morning and not into the building, into negative back. That all went away once the once the playoffs. En, because of course they want to ruin the money at that point and all the testing I want away.

but there was a playoff exemption for the disease. No, i've got ask if they're making you wear a colored piece of clothing. Okay, since all of us group in united states, where war war two is the the only historical event we learned about, forcing a small, despise ed minority to identify itself with the yellow piece of clothing seems kind of resonant. Did anyone of you will say maybe not a good idea to force people to wear yellow warm bans if they weren't faced?

I don't think they cared and they cared. I think they just wanted to hit hit their numbers.

So we look like nothing, but we don't care yeah I mean.

I when the stage came and talk to I asked a lot of questions about like inform consent about testing a liability and he based and answer ing my questions. The present the team under the meeting um and to a ton of people from every level. The building came up afterwards and thank me for asking the questions because many of men know no choice, just get vexed or lose your job and there are certain coaches around the league quit because they don't want to get vx. I'm sure there may have been no fake cards that they went around I hope um and you know we also know there was many batches they were super toxic and deadly and many batches that were perhaps silan and uh uh and didn't didn't cause adverse effects, but the interest thing about around the house.

So do you think that the drug makers knew that they were giving out salian vaccines?

I mean, not a pure conjecture. I think there's I have great things about um the amount of amount of vaccines that went out wouldn't have been possible to produce that to that level. So they may have them some knowledge um around that, but again, that's just conjecture.

I I don't have any specific evidence on that. I'm not an expert at that, but am an expert my body and what goes in IT yes and how I feel about about that. but. Um yeah you know a the whole thing has been uh a real a interesting thought experiment in action around like what people are when they put up with how you can control through fear and how obedient someone will be um because remember what was going on all in networks, you had to live death toll that we're taking up as you watch the T V.

You had the life case numbers, you had um just the fear mongering and then anybody that stood up to IT was cancelled the twitter family released when elan took over that show the club between the phab uh companies uh control on the stuff and the old you know people with acts was going on facebook in the center ship and all these true experts in IT you know the round was a Peter mccourt's is all these different people who stood up the oak parents and who who know said, try to try to just get the message out with silence and censored I think and an a person with any level of common sense would even if they got the box ago, let's got weird. Why are we sancy all the same opinions when in the history of the world, have the have, has the censorship ever been, uh, been, been done by the good guys? The good guys are the ones doing the censorship.

That actually doesn't happen. What do you care if you are scare of people there to make up their own mind? Yeah and yeah you you see IT on a Bobby just released the video, thirty minute video and uh about IT about who he is that I got censored by facebook, which is a child. I mean, they're centering the election stuff which we know got on you know the can if you watch that document about what um IT is just pretty well that the the world we live in, where there's um the idea of free speech and what is IT is called into a question all the time I just read um and treme book those a few years ago cooled the coddling of the american mind a basis talking about what's going on a college campuses which see now all this know this outrage and different things that started post twenty sixteen and got elected when campuses felt like they need to create safe spaces because speech is violent, you know the certain types of rhetoric is actually violent. So we are verifying the uh opinions now and we're cancelling people based on the table even and that's a slippery slope to go down, whether you cancel somebody who's um you know a super racist or or or or um you know against the opinion that you believe and like none of that actually works, ignoring the shit you don't want to listen to and or be a part of is one thing but like picking and choosing what the sensor is a very slippery slope and you have been in the media. You know how important is to to give people in all different sides .

what you can have, democracy if people can say what they think but but .

democracy and gentleman, this country is found as a constitutional republic, yes, which empowers the civil liberties.

Democracy is government unless, yeah, people are not slaves unless they're free.

But know, I mean, democrat falls into into fashion and tyranny and ultimately dictatorship.

Unfortunate aware of that and .

that's where we're IT.

Why do you oh, i'm aware. Why do you think that is? Why do you think, do in a lot of nineteen century, sort of free minded people in europe looked over at what was happening in the newly minted united states and said, that's going to become a dictatorship. Ultimately, what do you think that happens?

I think I think um there's a lot of reasons. I think a entitlement is is a big part of our society that has been you know a cancer for us because people believe that their opinion is more important than somebody else the opinion. So IT was IT was a IT was weapon ised against the people who choose not to get the action. People say you're freedom isn't more important than life I can write to live and and and but I I think that I think ultimately um IT creates um IT creates too many voices that ah that are all about division to this you know the true democracy where every vote matters means that all of us are important to the whole but when democracy spires out, control and entitlement um is is the common thread through that nobody believes that european on matters as much of their opinion and IT goes into uh a straight eaga C A narcissist view which ultimately leads to some sort of fascism, some sort of uh terran ical stuff and and when it's weapon zed by the people in control who control the messaging in the media, controlled the food supply, control the water supply, you you find a losing battle IT .

just feels that way and IT IT feels like, you know, both of us grew up in a country that was outward focused on IT. Its enemies were outside its born, right? I mean, I grew up during the cold war, enemy was the soviet union IT were china. You pick a country we are at odds with IT does seem like all the energy um that the federal government masters against his enemies being mutually against american citizens like we're the enemy.

That's the way IT feels to me. Yeah, I was I was at to conduct derby this last weekend and they were swearing in some new a recruits to, I think, during the army and so they had them repeat, repeat after the charge and whatever was who was swear i'm in. And I just was stuck with that one line that to protect against all enemies, foreign, domestic.

Yes, I was like, I sit kind of domestic out loud because I was like, we forgetting that one because there's a lot of domestic people in this country who actually don't love america, who actually don't um don't want to see as though I am super patriotic I think is because my grandpa found the second war war once a prisoner war and believed in freedom and fight for and lost many friends use near force who were at pro harbor and you know was flew many bombing a bombing missions over you know to try and liberate the french and polish people there uh over in europe and and almost lost his life for and lost a lot of friends and believed in this country and in the freedoms uh that he was willing to fight and die and as I grew up in, you know, I love this country and I want to see IT thrive. And I think there's a lot of people that don't give you sure about IT. And if you look at some of the policies, how does make any sense to have no open borders, to have non secure elections, to have um you know the lobbing that we have in washington where uh you know the pharmacy company is the big egg, the big everything uh controls the policy of the policy makers.

You have people in congresses in the senate who uh you know who go right from you their duties to these huge you know huge profitable jobs are speaking engagements and big you know swath the economy, whether it's banking or egg or military defensive whatever IT is in everybody's airboats pocket. And then you create these bills that have forty different things. And then we're spending billions dollars ukraine and billion dollars israel, billions dollars these called campuses.

Um there's just a lot of issues right now that that seem really on american, and I think there's a lot of red blood of americans. People like how can you know how can trump up such support? Well, people are fed up with that. And he speaks the reddick of like taken back, make an amErica great again and stuff. My thing is he had four years to do IT and didn't join the swap and whether he just got scared because of what he learned when he was in there thing is very plausible um but that's why I was interested when Bobby candies and would you think about my running mate and I said, are you serious? I'm talking football play but I love this country and and i'd love to be a part of you bringing her back to what he used to be there's a great did you think about IT?

Oh yeah.

I thought about that. I thought about because I love about and and I just want to hear what I D say about IT. There's a great opening scene of one of my favorite shows called newsroom.

You see the opening thing with jeff Daniel. Jeff Daniel is his nicker for a new station. This and there's a panel yeah great person and he gets ask this question, uh, you know, why is amErica to start spinky great?

Know what makes amErica so great so he says, like a democracy and so this is like freedom and he's like, you know, he does not want to answer the question. He says, know the prawle. The constitution is a great as piece of written material and he said, my and then he says, not. I can let you off like that. Got to give me an answer.

And he goes in this like three minute to model logue about america's north Grace country anymore he talked about the literary rates and math rates and reading rates and um we spend more than next twenty five on the you know on the defense spending and uh but at the end he said but we america's north west country anymore but IT could be and he talks about what used to be and used to dream big dreams and um and build incredible know buildings and great technology and different things is like a super patriotic c and that starts to hold show out where he gets kind of cancelled for this he gets put on display like, oh my god, like this guy is one to like tackle some of the big the big issues in this country and like keep IT real and I think that's what that resonate. So I guess like what used to make amErica great, like how can we get back to that? And that's why I love people will want to stand up for they believe, like yourself and and the stuff you would talk about, uh, on your show was.

was that A B? No, that .

nobody also doing .

that .

though, but more a country of carriage. Now people are not willing to stand up for or stand up to the people that are in charge. I not many people and I .

have such contempt for them. I mean, they're not even good at fashion. That's that's, I guess, my final analysis or not good.

What was that for you? You just like, fuck IT like, i'm going to say what I want to say. You always like that.

I was good.

but I had to be something where you like. Okay, because you talk to about J, F, K.

the c part of the dinner, which I was so interesting. I mean, in your professional athlete, this is not your day job. No, IT is my day job and live to wash for five years.

And I didn't really quite, I mean, have lots of opinions, all kinds of opinions, but they were. Sort of a line with the political party and I didn't ever question any of the basic um assumptions that I had. You know people say, oh, roseville knew that the japanese were gonna attack a wa hoo in the number of one thousand forty one.

I was like, you must be crazy. Will turns out that's true. IT was a senate inquiry into IT during the war that suggested that strongly.

Because it's real, they don't like run the things. But IT took me a long time to even ask those questions. And when I did, I was like, I was, well, I had to leave the city.

I I moved out because I was so shocked by IT and so distress by IT. But you were saying that me, the real question is not, how would I come to that? I am, I was marinating in that world my whole life.

Um why did you take me so long as the real question? But how did you run an athletic track? How did you come to these conclusions that .

the more unusual? Well, I think I was I was A A number of things um I always want to the question what I believe because I feel like I could strengthen that ah and although that wasn't maybe the the thought the process grown up in the church, there was there was a lot to like to believe this and have faith don't ever question IT if you question IT that's doubt and doubt is a sin but I was like how no like I kind of want to question this so so I can have you to confirm can .

can I point out that on the cross as he was being tortured to to death jesus said, my god, my god, why you for second me jesus said that so the .

idea bt, yeah on the um but but I got into so I feel love to ask .

questions and well yeah .

ah I can't myself that permission but I did report myself every year in a high school on jf kat and I was just kind of super fascinated by his crimm and a the Kennedy family in general yes and then his death and the what little I knew about IT um and I talked to um some people that maybe they believe warn commissioner the official al narrative so I did a report on IT was more on gfk because I think we have picks the influences person from history to report on so I picked to F, K.

And in a high school .

in high school and back then with very limited internet access, I did a lot of research in the library and read of things rather warn, commission um a decent amount of IT the one report and was like, this is bullshit in here. This doesn't makes sense. He told me this magic bullet from this guy went bomb, bomb, bomb a through, and then they just happen to find IT.

You know, in the hospital certain spot was like, that doesn't sound right. So that kind of got me into, uh, questioning things, conspiring for sure, questioning things. I've seen some really interesting U A P phenomenon in the skype talked about IT and I know that something you you are a fascinated by um you at the time. I also found a uh a way to to see uh there's a proof film which I was very uh fascinating as well um even though super grainy um and not gonna get me into questioning things and then there has been a lot of really interesting um things that have happened over the years.

My grandfather though he you know I didn't get known that well but I do know that he always questioned um and believe that that rose about new um about the japanese is coming and that always stuck with him because he uh you know he was super patriotic and another one of my heroes patton man, I have left the N F L at a join uh the army um you know his death is very uh suspicious as well uh in that not the fact we know that he was killed by friendly fire, but the way they handled his body afterwards. His uniform, uh conflating his last journal, uh using his death to prop up the war propaganda. There's been a lot of great people on history or a super patriotic of question a their government. And I think that's what I i've done since you.

since I was part my ignorance. I didn't I didn't even know that about tillman's journal. So that was .

configured by the his uniform was burned and and his journal was most confiscate that's in john crack book where men win glory which is a fantastic book and one of my best friends in entire world asia hawk AJ grew was hear out him in his buddy um in two thousand and four um in as an o two to pt um because pat I had a long here play for the cardinals left at more than lion are contract to go um you fight and you fight um how guide and taliban gets over there and like, fuck of my doing i'm garden these poppy fields is now what I signed up for I miss my wife.

I miss here in the states. This is not what I thought we were going to be doing over here. And in some really uh negligent manuvers um happened and split up his unit and end up being with one of the members of the a afghani uh army who is the kind of guide and you know guy saw the guy and in some dim lighting on the ridge was with pat the fired on him.

Obviously pat and the afghani thought that they were been fired on by taliman were fired back and pack got killed. His brother was not told right away. He was friendly fire. They come like them because it's all in the book. It's fast. Nine book a minutes when the only books i've ever cried reading just because is so john, an incredible writer he wrote into the area, he wrote into the wild and he wrote under the matter of .

heaven I read .

those of the man book is incredible but um I don't know why I bring this up just there's so many people that really love this country is a and .

part of the by their I mean for your grandfather who he said lost friends and paul harbor and was shut down over europe and held as a pow but .

and he recently there's a gentleman writing a book about me and uh he's writing a chapter on him and he went found the war crime uh um uh committee that actually interviewed him after came back because he was just treated over there are there was uh one of his um when the guy there's a group of there were ten people on his on his bomber one of the as rupture of spleen on the way down and they must treated them a made him march like twenty miles in the freezing cold didn't get in any medical a treatment so there was like a war crimes commission there was no one interviewed so he was interviewed about that um and I talked about kind of how he was treated to know how they put your warms in this food and drink in water for certain times and just the bag conditions there and and that's all he went through he went through all that because, you know, he really cared about his country and I think even up to his death, you know, there was for sure some bitterness, I would guess, around what was I actually doing and why was I doing and who had to die. You know my friends at pro harbor, you know for this country that I fuck and .

love that I almost died .

for um and I think those those are the great people that have made this country what IT is and were you know now even question the government, you some like right wing conspiracy y crazy ten foil hat ware which is wild because this seems like the left is gone so far left and anybody write at that, there's no center anymore. The according to the left, you just your right winter like you was so far on the left, the left that used to be a party of occupy wall street of and free speech and writes for everybody. Uh, now is there the ones beaten the drums on the war machine and censorship and obedience?

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There was a fascinating study, a very revealing study, that showed that at the height of occupy wall street, the new york times talked up its coverage of racism. So the word racist, racism, supremacy went up hundreds of percent in the new york times. You can check all this on their database during occupy wall street was almost like somebody decided IT would be Better to be a war with each other than to be asking questions. A Better financial system.

It's not surprising that's what they do that they distraction. The true dest information comes from actually those those publications .

now how have they treated you?

Uh a lot of character assassinations .

noticed um when I um .

test positive covert the whole my whole world changed and people I thought we're allies in the media just turned on me um they spammed my h sponges know to the tune of uh one of my sponsors who have a hard time uh keeping me till they get span with one hundred and forty million uh impressions across all social media to get rid of me um because of my choice about what I want to put in my body ah they didn't to their credit, they stuck with me for one more year a one of the sponsors dropped me uh within a couple days which is fine. Um uh but yeah um you know when when I came out, whether was similar from the campaign or not released that I was a finalist to be babbies by president, there was a total character assassination was a bizarre story from two of years ago that somebody thought they heard something, that I was questioning something um and what IT all comes down .

to I think we see .

yeah of course is i'm not belding you know I have a contract but I don't you know i'm not beholding anybody. I'm i'm dangerous to them because I speak my mind you know i'm not you know clan in an obedient. Star athlete, I speak my mind. I'm a loose can to them but why .

I mean ouldn't just be easier to collect the actions and collect the money and and just not say what you think in public. Keep IT for dinner parties like yeah I mean.

I think a lot of people who ve done that over the years has been a lot of great stars. We've done that and I respect that. Um I think I just.

I I love you, I love this country and I believe in this country I believe in people too much to um they just be quiet about things that seems so obvious to me and corruption in any form this is a no should be exposed and the evil in this world that are out there and you know there's good and there's evil and ah the powers that be that they don't want to the light to shine, the good to to exist, you know really push push things that aren't the best sort of anybody and I just got tired of of of dealing with that. I also you know got to a point that rogan got to I think and many other people were made my money um I have a platform. I felt success in my business.

What's the worst that you could do to me like you can kill me yeah um please are not dying on my knees and um stand up what I believe in with you agree with me or not with agree with of the way I went about IT that's your own opinion that's fine but um I feel I feel good about about the way that uh i've stood up for myself and like puppies, there's a lot worse things in dying and like I would be dying a little bit every single day I didn't says some myself on my mind now I do want to like not be a part of the the war against uh, the people that uh try to cancel us. I would rather be a part of bringing people back into the fold and and actually building bridges with some most people. Now there's the evil that exists that I don't care to engage with those people and they know who they are. Um most people that have attacked me um that are beholden to big farmer or money here, whatever might be. But um I think if there's a chance for this country to keep going and to exist and not be like the roman empire fall from them and I don't know that even possible honestly, but I think it's got to start with love and compassion and empathy and i'd like to be a part of that conversation if possible.

I so strongly agree with that. And clearly, COVID was used like race questions have been used like the train stuff is being used to divide people and to make them hate each other. And that and you don't want to be a part of that.

I don't want to make that worse at all. I believe I love the country and none only do I love that i'm stuck here. You know, i'm born here.

I will die here. So it's my country. That's how I feel. So I don't want you to get worse. But I do have unanswered in my mind like what was that?

I mean, you described that I think the motives of the people that you know or I know they were afraid, they're just instinctively deferential to power. Okay, that's fine. That's all human nature. But like big picture, that's so crazy what just happened and the ex and people are so bad and we don't know .

what the effects could be, we certainly don't.

It's gonna years IT crosses the blood brain berry or so like what is this it's absolutely fair to ask the question does IT change your DNA that's not crackpot science at all um and there's some evidence.

but they added to early on if they'd called this experiment with gene theri, nobody would have taken IT. So they called a vaccine and they change the definition vaccine that's not that's not bulshed. That's not can speak.

That's actually what happened. They really talked about this, I believe is some the W H C D C, one of those two. You can somebody can check me on that, but there's a little a conversation that they are having where they we'd call this gene therapy. But maybe we thought I was about five to ten percent of people that might take this. But we call a vaccine that that brings in all the potential being cancelled as an anti baxter because I later to me and you as well they have this game plan works like um you know we are name called you know antia or anti semi biid races, whatever I might be you know we're onna center, you and we're going to trying and cancel you and we're to go up to the people that you love and care about um and that's kind of how they do IT. Um and so if they call a vaccine, then all these people were hesitant to not get cancer, not be hammed by being called anti asa, are going to get on line the ticket.

But big picture you have any guess is to like what is the program here? Like what is the point of this is a depopulation because that that is a fact, of course, the lockdowns and the vx depopulate, by definition, when you said massive miscarriages rate, but also just kept people inside for year and a half, destroys their ability to find a mate, destroys their souls .

like an system.

And its effect on your immunity stem, exactly IT causes illness.

I didn't know some people that yeah there won't be population. Now there's been video of uh you know bill gates that know has people think is taken out context. But if you look at his track record and what he's done um around the world, I don't know that he's proponent of like all life and uh you know people have more kids and and more population on the service.

He's strongly pro death from what I can tell.

I don't think he's not the only one. I think there's a lot of all the people um I don't understand what that motivation is um why um but I think those are somebody evils that they were up against.

Are you noticing all around just in your life? Are you noticing people's begin to make a reference to spiritual forces in a way they didn't say five years ago? Is this my imagination?

No, I don't think so. I think I think more people are kind of wake up up that I think people that watched. And there is probably, I don't know, ten, fifteen, twenty million at least that sign your own rogan and side.

You talk about the the supernatural component of U A P. I think that is a good part of conversation for people. To the reference. I grew up in the church. And in the church, you know that there's a battle that's going on between the scene and the unseen world, between good and evil, between the the powers that we can see in the power that we can see. And there's some wild things out that we don't know about, and there's some government seekers we don't know about, at a bare minimum, whether you believe in a alien life UFO U A P where everyone to call IT.

There's some technology author that exists that finally have some sort disclosure that the government or the powers that be don't think we're ready to be given any information which is kind of wild um and understand that uh I don't actually don't understand that um the thought process is it's going to a change the way that we look at life for religion or whatever that is the whole other idea about the religion being as a you know a way to control people uh control thought maybe um which is pretty wild um but but disclosure I think needs to happen. Uh it's going to be interesting to see how that happens, where IT happens. But I you know in my space where I met, where I do you a lot of play medicine, the veils between world world get dimensions, everything. So the idea of seeing other entities um see you know the Angela type of beans and demonic type beans is very Normal um and the idea that there's a dominic aspect to uh the U I P phenomenon I think is very plausible and interesting.

I do too. So you say playing based medicine, I think you are probably do a lot of different things. But among those who be say, iowa or silicified mushrooms, so the conventional understanding is that if you you take a allusions you see halse nations things that your brain creates that don't exist outside of you.

But you're suggesting that you can see things that are ineffective, real, but that that you don't Normally see. Is that what you're saying? Yes.

definitely. Then I um i've done I have many times now and have had many incredible experiences, finally feel comfortable talking about that. I wasn't maybe after the first like six times I SAT and then I finally said, you know like this has made a huge impact on my life and made me feel more connected to this world, more loving and more in my heart and even this last um ceremony group of ceremonies that I did I think is really helped me with the last four years of my life. Or um I went from a uh pretty beloved a similar enigmas ter but pretty loved a athlete to very polarizing figure um and has helped me to um put that on the right context in perspective and actually have attended gratitude um for the whole process even there was tough up and down and and more empathy, compassion for those who have landed me and cancelled me or tempted um so it's been it's been really important for me and really.

really deep for me. If you wind up with more compassion for enemies, it's hard to criticize because I think that's that's where we need to be.

Well, they also couldn't criticize because I the first time I did that, I want A M B P. Then the second time I did IT, I want A B P again. So everybody wanted, you know, put me in the like, drugging category.

Oh, you're just some wild hippy, druggy guy I like, yeah but also Better at foobar probably afterwards than a Better leader and Better at relating to my teammates. Uh, so there's a lot possible. What is your companies say?

What do they say in general?

They're interested, very interested. So many people from all different sports. I'm talk in best ball players, tennis players, golfers, baseball players, hockey players and in my own contemporary and league are all interested about IT.

There's a base level of a plant medicine use for the most part that I would say it's marijuana um and a you people have opinions about where I wanted but um a lot of people are really interested about the healing effects they can have in the self deep person to self love and deeper sons connection um there is just so many maths about IT misnomers um i'd like to say in kind of revised my view of the plant medicine and medical, what is a should medicine is anything that uh is is healing is not addictive and drugs uh our substance ces that are addictive and there's a ton of drugs and not all farmers bad. There's some incredible pharmaceutical stuff that helps us with um with with things that i've used. I would have had many surgeries and anesthesia and i'm thankful for those types of drugs.

But um medicine and and food as medicine has been you know really impactful for my life and. And if there aren't, uh they are not addictive substances, uh their stuff that i'd like to use with deep reference in ceremony setting. And this made a big impact on my life. And the people that know me have noticed to change people that don't know me um you know have there no shot their opinions about me but um but I I do have more apathy and compassion for all those people and and and for myself too and i'm just trying to do my best and I was fighting a lot of battles you when I text pose a recovered and got cancelled or attempted and um I don't feel like I need to fight as much uh much of those what about you though because you you did on the most controversial on hall at me most controversial interviews in the last, I don't know how long when you want to russian, did butin how did I feel coming back is like anybody watching something like, number one, I was fucked and awesome number two, putin came off as interesting, thoughtful, smart individual. And if you read one thousand nine hundred eighty four, you know the base camp plan of government control is you have an enemy and you have to slider that enemy regards to be know anything about him. And I think a lot of people like go put an apologists like you know White washing all the stuff that he's done to different people and I was just like, no, i'd love to see joe by and given interview where you can speak on the history of the united states in the same way that putin talked about the history of of his country.

I'd love to see bad node interviewer, he shows how to Operate a microwave and I I don't think that's onna happen. And by the way, bad won't do interviews. Another world's landsknechts AR .

but wasn't like to to come back and you you were like in a couple of the places after that I .

went to middle east after that for a while. I mean, I was out of the country for most month so I missed and I don't ever read about myself anyway. I know I don't need want to so um I I missed all of that is I always do but the idea that someone would criticize an interview where you something I talk for a couple hours, I think I just think that inherently useful.

I mean, I just wanted to do IT as a documented record of what putin is like or at least what is like in this context. And people can decide for themselves. I'm a big believer in letting people decide for themselves.

I think adult men have the right to come to their own conclusions. Bad things adults have the right to. So um i'll never stop believing that because we're not slaves, we can have any opinion we want. And if you don't like IT and try and change IT through reason and if you can't, then fuck you and I really feel that way.

So that's that's the kind of perspective I had going to talk about and my perceptions of him more exactly what you just said I thought is an interesting guy, smart guy um impressive guy you know in some ways obviously lot more impressive than joe biden. But he's russian and runs russia. And i'm american and I live in america.

So I care about my country. I want my leaders to be Better. I'm not on put inside. I don't have any emotional attachment to any foreign country because i'm not a foreigner. I'm in american and this is only country I care about but um but for the record yeah I thought people can watch .

IT and assess for themselves .

and they find the idea that you shouldn't be allow .

to do so crazy count people who just bow down and given interviews from their knees to the lensky of the world.

Gargling is the interview yes.

wine as this guy comes over and fucked in a an outfit you'd wear to the, you know to the store on a sunday morning to ask congress for another hundred billion dollars.

is fucking what he looks like. He's gonna in the know village people music video, it's like a saying the whole thing is like you .

do .

sort of wonder like that in a million of the things going on right now. You wonder if there they're sort of seeing how far they can push the population till someone start laughing, like.

are you joking? IT feels like sometimes, what can we what if we did this? Is nobody going na give a shit? no.

OK, well, okay, now let's try this one. here. We going to put joe biden up and do this. What this guy you can walk over. You should spend everything good.

They're not going to pick the single dome's, but most self confident person in the entire nation of three hundred fifty million people make their way out preseparation ary. So you I have to deal with this every day on your television. No, I know it's well.

I'm the real question I had for you in in relation to freedom of speech and free speech is too too I believe champions of free speech who are now um in exile um Julia sange and at stopping I know them both .

and new had conversations .

with them both people who expose corruption and yes uh there was attempted murders on both them yes um both are alive jilin is rotting in a cell right now I believe in yes and ed is in his own exile in rest but driving this seems like yes um but both people who um have a lot of affection for just the fact that they would do they did and expose the exposed and knew the consequences um what what do how do you feel about about those? And do you think there's any path back, whether it's trump or boby? Maybe I trump because I ve got trump ed and do IT but if Bobby to get elected, the opportunity to depart those people who they come back to the states, you think would they.

Well, I mean in the case of uh snowden, who's stuck who i'd like a lot and um and as with him in the sound, I don't agree with them on everything. I don't agree with my kids and I I don't have to agree we agree on the things .

I don't find .

being taught us that they probably do agree with them one things. But whatever, have a question.

Bravery.

visible courage. Those guys that are willing to suffer for what they believe and the principles for which they're suffering, you know, the dignity of the individual were all created by god. You cannot treat me like a slave.

You cannot tell me what to think. You cannot tell me what to say. You cannot lie on my face period because I have some of respect.

And there is a field of value. This is right, this is wrong. What was going on was wrong and we got exposed .

well in snowden, especially I mean snod a sanchez australian. He lived around the world. Um he was a journalist.

I don't think he had any expectation that he would wind up spending his adult in person. I don't think that even cross his mind, maybe I did. I have been asked him, uh, but it's not new exactly what he was getting into.

And he was, you know, middle class american, hi I Q guy. Lots of job opportunity here, could have lived a very comfortable life with his wife and kids. And he intentionally put all of that at risk in order to tell americans what their government was actually doing.

And what's crazy to me is not that the U. S. Government is trying to murder him, which of course they are, but that news organizations don't defend him. That's when you realize the quote, news business is totally fortunate. None of these people mean that they went into IT.

These are people went into the news business as a way to exercise and exert power over their fellow americans like nothing with informing people um IT has to do with controlling and oppressing them. That's why you work in nbc news so you can control people. It's really sick and my my love for them just can even be described in words because it's superfine.

I have not forgiven them and I don't think I will but snow yeah snow den would come back tomorrow and he's american, his wife's american and he's got to find life in russia but he's not russian. And ultimately, I mean not if you've lived abroad um we probably happened at time but if you spend enough time in forever countries you realize no matter how wonderful they are, not your country you know I mean you'll never fully be a citizen of another country if you were born here. So he wants to come back and they won't let him and it's disgusting.

It's discussing that they would use the term like trader for him when he is literally exposing government corruption. Instead, you should give a shit about.

if I catch you, Robin, a liquor store and call the police and I the criminal. No, you are the criminal. You are robbing a liquor store.

Its note exposed crimes by the U. S. Government against the american population.

U. S. Citizens were paying for this. We're being spied on illegally.

And he's the criminal. None or no. He's the hero. You are the criminal. Michael po, director of the C. I, who was literally a criminal and yet he's treated like, I mean, he's in the running to be defense secretary of Donald trump ins, it's shocking. Take a criminal and give him nuclear weapons really.

But has been the whole revolving door with government, with the um uh cabinet that happens, revolving door from the F D A to the uh C D C 的 W H O is is a secret handshake society of everybody just pan each other back and and stand in IT that's the corruption needs be exposed and it's .

it's out there。

It's and they're just doing IT so lightly who gives a ship .

well in very high stakes to it's it's not just like, well, i'm not doing the best possible job as transportation secretary. It's like, no, actually i'm forcing the the entire country take poison. I'm killing people and destroying the U.

S. Economy for the benefit of a few. These are big things.

These are not minor fucked ups. These are like, these are major families in my opinion. And that's .

why I mean, that's why I have hope and I want bobbi to have a chance to debate and to get into a because if not, it's just gonna the same shit over and over and over.

And like when the financial crisis happened in a weight, right? And obama put many other people involved in IT into his cabinet, into the to know the department of treasury was like one of the guys from golden and sex, I believe, who was a part of the whole I can shit and went down. And that's on inside job.

which is a great we take the captain of the titanic and make him secretary the navy.

But that's that's that's what you're doing.

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I think he he loves standing up to the man to to the corruption. Now he is royalty because the Kennedy family is one of those special families and his family has been a part of uh in in a position of power or uh fame, riches for a long time. But look at his life and when he's done, he's gone up to the E P.

A forever and he gets shit for uh for his vaccine stance but he was never a part of that. He was actually a couple of women came up to him when he was soon in E. P.

A for years and winning yeah for them, destroying our our water and destroying people's lives and we consistency and then he's like, oh, shit. There's another issue that's going on is the chronic disease epidemic in this country. And he can give you all the numbers from what I was.

And there's certain dates and time where certain things happen where china disease went way up in the eighties, specifically after a bill signed by rona reagon. And sense that time, if you look at a lot of the numbers, there's been a huge jump in chronic disease for kids and illness and seeds and, uh, autism, allergies, all these different things. yes.

And he just saying, listen, i'm not saying that causation is correlation one hundred percent, but there has to be some sort of relationship pure with this. And why don't we do some studies on IT? Why do we get some transparency? Why don't we have these vaccines go through the Normal trials and and testing?

Because learning things is anti science.

yes. And but but um but I don't think Bobby um would put those kind of people in his cat. I don't think he would, I know, give power those kind of people and you know like like i've talked to um you know IT is frustrating as some of the of about the gangs or organizations are there's a lot of great people and there's great people in the C A.

Great people in the F B. I, is great people in the C D C, in the W H O. And the F D. A who really care like more and think they're making a difference. But there's a top line and lot of organizations that are actually at their core tii american and are not doing things that in the best of our people and worth fucking paigning, it's on our time. And all the stuff that happened post nine eleven, you know with the patriotic and the fires accord, uh as for as surveilLance, domestic cally in spine, in fact, that they are not actually on on earthy needs like domestic terrorist plots there a lot of great documentation stuff.

You can look into that the fact that our food and water is not an acceptable level, the fact that our border is not at the right level, the fact that some of the stuff that happened A T F um you know, with some of those, they were track and these guns that went to the car town, they were being used to kill border agents and all these different shit has gone on that again. I'm not saying that those all these organisms are super corrupt. There's a lot of fucking and great men and women that work for those, but there's some people, the top, who aren't great people and that's what needs to change. And I think, Bobby, I would go there and change a lot of that stuff. And that's what his uncle and his father we're trying to do if you know .

the history of how that turned out.

Well, yeah, that's what happens, companies. And that's why I love Bobby and you because you want to stand up. No one that that does not is. And well, for people going up.

this guy who's uncle and dad were murdered in the course of their jobs as elected officials will look at .

the history of our doors, right yeah if you know his history he was in banking for the for the bush family then you go into the O S S which is a pretension to the yes and he was probably a part of um Operation paper clip which repeats the german scientists yes um which there's some ethical issues of that uh he tried to get us in the world war three in cuba uh Operation north woods um in majority of G F case actually close to advisers. I believe they voted and the majority said let's do IT and let's blob the ship and let's get in the war three and let's go after cuba and gfk said, no, I doing IT fie Allen um and an ison dollars minds up where as basically one of the main guys in the in the warm commission IT just as warm as I believe only at nine of the thirty summer uh meetings that they had but the two guys they were really in control of IT for one I bread Allan delis, former fired at the C. I, A, who end to begin to draw back and there's an airport named after him and jail ford, future president who was at the time number two at the fb N F B I LED by jawa who hated the Kennedy es.

So given that all of that happened, it's a little war that the by administration won't give bobbi Kennedy secret .

service protection. He's no forever like they were friendly for a long, long time. IT wasn't like it's his some outside like he's been around the political game for a long time and he's the only major canada who's not gun a secret server protection there also limiting and and skin, I believe some of the polls to try and not just keep him out of a debate but keep him uh out of secret service protection.

He spent in millions of the zone dollars on private security um which he asked you because he's a threat because he's not you know button paid for um and you know he's a foil to the two party system but one of his size baba recent came out said uh in the summer months at some point he wants to do a fifty state poll with like twenty thousand I don't know what the exact numbers votes in each of these states and whoever pulls lower between him and joe biden has to drop out the race because in his own he analytics he's found out that if the three of them run a trump is most likely to win if he goes against trump. He wins if he goes against biden, he wins. If biden goes against trump, trump wins.

So in fact so he said, hey, listen all drop out if you pull higher than me in these fifty states um but if I pull her higher the new you're out there's no way he'll go for back but I think it's a brilliant, a brilliant model to be like, no, no, i'm not the foil. Bobby is not the foil, right? Babies of a main player in this and going to this process and just like entertaining IT for a small time to learn about the corruption with getting on a ballot, is that's fucking in wild IT is fifty states with fifty different ways to do in IT for the most part.

Uh you know you can have your signature thrown out of of the wrong color ink on one of fifty thousand signature. Uh, some states you file with the secretary of state, some states with the governors of it's it's so ridiculous the whole process, which is just set up for a two party system, right? And then who knows about the, you know safety and the gentle acy of this whole thing? Well.

it's a lot hard to get on the ballot than IT is for, say, a non citizen to vote.

or dead .

person or a dead person .

of those.

So you made reference a couple of times to the food supply, and you said, I don't know about not expert of vaccines, but I am an expert on food.

We are not .

expert food. Mean.

it's your job. I.

right. So what if you learned so for people who aren't paying as close attention um to what they eat, what where do you think the the bad like was the bad food?

Well a lot of its in the wording of IT I mean fat is a bad term, but fat is really good for you. Cholesterol is and also a really negative stuff. Yeah yeah but you need class strong because it's good for your brain.

There's there's some bad types of IT and some like shit that you can eat that doesn't help your that kind of skills, your levels. But sugar, Terry, before you anything process sugar like fuels cancer cells. So eliminating sugar process foods.

But if you're to start with one, to be getting ready, sugar.

yes, definitely. And in fasting, fasting is incredible for your body and research your body. I do at least to five day fast every single off season, this kind of kick start the open season that like it's it's a fun process.

It's hard. But after the past three days you have this evolutionary uh impulse kicks in uh, and you feel amazing. Actually I got to the fifty eight this year like, man, if I wasn't going on this trip and and I would do ten days, I feel real credible yeah and I just resets your body and IT. Actually there's a lot of great research. Da White was talking about a recently um that um you he did kind of before and after testing and there's there's a lot of studies now to talk about the the percentage of goes way down of of heart disease.

Heart attack based on fast in um cancer obviously has a really hard time when you uh when you fast when you uh at least fast from sugar um and that's kind of my problem with the whole um you know the cancer industrial complex is that there's very little uh people treating cancer that a that kind of start base level of diet and I met saying that all treatments are terrible. There's a lot of you know people do and really great work and and and can for patients but diet should be the first thing you look at um especially a sugar. Had a weird experience.

I was at the hospital years ago seeing a friend and and and a coach mine, he would had a heart issue, and you know, I got there, he's got two dents put in and he's drinkin in a coke and he didn't put in. And I like, what the fuck are you doing? What are you doing? And that's that's part the promise is, is we're not using food as medicine.

sugar also someone who was quit smoking and drinking and drugs, I can say way more addictive is .

a drug addicting .

like actually.

Yeah but in every single day this stuff that is finally come out like I was just reading some this is for you know four IT was like a orio um lucky charms something else and gate you know been exposed as having like uh forever h chemicals in them. So this finally people getting some of the message out and forcing in, uh, yes, these companies to change. But the best way to vote in general, uh, is with your money.

And I really believe that, obviously, you know, I love that if Bobby would win, and definitely we voted him. And body on local levels is really important, especially for your local you know D A and share of and different things is super important. But like voting with our dollars is really important. Companies that they are involved in, uh shady practices, um unethical practices, h friends that uh have poisoning them uh and they know IT don't know by and they'll change, no change just like with the government if you don't you know don't follow their ridiculous uh jona rules, they are gona change.

So IT sounds like protein is the answer and but not .

everybody has little different so little different body, little different constitution. So um yeah but I think on a base level fasting uh is good. Now a lot of the uh interment fasting data uh for women was postman apostle women. Um I will I definitely know that so like a fasting and fasting for like women demonstrating I don't know that's great for health but I didn't fast in general as a good recipe for your body.

How hard of the first three days?

Hard but IT changes your relationship with food. Now I would not living to eat. We're eating to live and he gets important a distinctions .

and you feel like heat or .

jump again the sugar blues and the sugar um depression there if you if you if you're coming off in until the sugar for sure but I don't need a lot of sugar um is IT was fairly easy for me but I do all the time too. I think it's like just start with twenty four hours this service twenty four hours and just drink water or a bond breath um as a good reset. And then if you get to three days as great, get to five, it's incredible.

The research says five and in up has like the greatest benefits. But it's a good recipe for your system. Um you look Better in the mirror. R um and your your body just starts function .

a little bit. Yeah is that hard?

Yeah it's lighter. Workout one of my fast, but because I need some energy to work out. But what's .

the longest you've gone testing?

Yeah seven was I like, awesome. Past three is like, amazing. I think he goes back to, like the honor gather we have food and a few days you get this fucking and energy job from your system to go find food and after three days that I feel lazy I don't even need food and then just ease back in the same stuff on day eight um you know but but I love IT I did you some uh arva tic stuff as well um like a thirty day arva tic uh diet and that was incredible for my system is just eating uh uh and and doing um kind of A A full body body flash reset like they do in in india it's their kind of way of doing medicine and that reset my entire system I lost I lost weight my um uh my stomach line in change for sure I went in being alerted to a lot of things and having um like URL balls android I came out thirty days with like uh no allergies no uh interjections no euro about stuff and I just like flipped and I was what were you eating for thirty days on this .

just mostly arab tics .

of some rice. Lentils um original meat and I love you know me and protein but um maybe I just a lot, uh let tls and rice and the vegetables.

What what's a darkness .

is .

IT a fat rat retreat?

Well, you just in a room about a third of the size, probably with a little bathroom bathtub, and can't you shit like .

nothing?

Nothing can see anything. You start allusion, inc. Like I did five, nine, eight, four days.

You start a lucky, like on the third day, because your brain starts the d mt. Starts getting activated. Is IT hard to text in that environment?

no. So you're actually in total darkness.

total darkness. No concept for what time IT is, especially at the first couple days. Could you sleep so much the first night after that, you don't need to sleep her at all because you have no stimulation for your eyes.

So you're not really tired. You just kind there or moving around. I was like, didn't yoga did long meditations set the bath for a couple hours? Seem like I don't know. Time was irrelevant, but not a great .

contempt. You like feeling your way to the back.

And a lot of times you start looking different shapes and doorways and stuff, and you just run in and stuff all the time. And it's it's .

a quite process ier than any drug. I think I would be afraid to do that. Yeah.

I am. I'm glad I did IT. I don't need to do IT again, so I need to, can I do?

Do on the darkness for reads. So like, now I did that. Check the box. Some school not going to .

do IT again.

What did you think about? Uh, I I started each day with the meditation and just said, what do I want to contemplate today? So contempt the relationship's family and then two days was uh one was and retired and one was implying and so I went through all the insecurity around retirement and then um all the uh fears around plane again and just really spent hours just like thinking through things and anytime and I good thought would come in just being curious about IT uh wondering where that comes from uh, if there's a root of that.

There's something from childhood that is involved in that fear and security and IT was really but really amazing for me, just the healing that happened. And I came out really feeling comfortable either way, like not scared of retirement, not scared of of slip in into irrelevance, actually welcome that uh not not a worried about what the future looks like if I don't play for the packet ers anymore and i'm on a new team um and new guys a new city so was really a really mean informally glad that again don't need maybe to five days four nights um but uh good experience. Have you done like that?

No i've spent my whole running away from stuff like that um but nobody even that can .

take a few minutes to get off their phone. You know you rather are Better than most.

Oh, I did find no, I take this on every day for twenty minutes in silence.

But you do you watch T V?

No.

we don't have a, have T, V.

that's a good way. I like the, I don't like noise. I don't actually watch any video at all ever. And but to be without in total darkness for five nights, you know, I don't know what would happen. Were you afraid at all?

No, but the weird thing was night one, I had a bad dream, like a nightmare. And when you're a Normally when you're at home, you have like a weird dream sentence off. Maybe see if feeling entity or just sometimes freaking me out.

What do you kind of wake up or interest up OK on my bed? I'm fine. Here's this.

Maybe I get up out of my dad, do something I am okay. And then you able to use, get back, sleep in the darkness. What you see, eyes close, is what you see, eyes open. So there was no escape in the .

um three i'm GTA take a leak. How take you to get to .

the john five minutes for real? Yeah cause you just like here's one step. Here's one step in your super distances.

He's gone to really slow now feeling around around feeling but my bomb, okay, there's, this should be here banging on something. This should be over here. Okay, the moon, here's a time door.

Okay, get in. Okay, now I got know. But I mean, in the you just be not really wearing closed for the most part because you don't need to use complete darkness.

What's dinner like? But the hot is actually pretty good. So once a day the food came.

At six o'clock there was like a double sided door. So he put the food in one side, close IT. Then i'd open.

So is no light. And you just like use your sent like smell, be like that's super. Have an after dinner. Oh, here's there was the food for the next day too so okay, there's some apples and have breakfast or here's some some makes not someone have that for lunch, a snack.

O here's what is this? H this is some sort of like post, okay, and have that first lunch tomorrow, so you got to go through that. And you just like you have all the time in the world, so you just like savor every bite and just eat super slow and IT takes a very meditation that part of school.

I done a lot of using gene drugs, not in many years, but I have when I was a child. And you know, no matter how weird cats you feel like what is the drug, you know, but when there's total silence and darkness, are you worried that you're gonna onna rise up from within you and scared the crap out of you?

Not really because before that i've done I was a little little times i've done so five and journeys um so I had I figured out I was like to surrender to a process or ceremony so I can treat that the same way and just said, you know what, whatever comes up is what's supposed to come up like we say and do an I O like the medicine will give you exact what you need.

So I kind of a took that attitude into the darkness and said, whatever comes up as what I need in this moment so i'm going to surrender to IT. And it's like, it's weird and not my phone. There's no distractions.

There's really no sound to like every now then, like in the afternoon, a plane would fly by above and I was like, okay, must be afternoon, you know and then six o'clock, you knew, was six clock because the dinner would come. That's only reference for time that you knew. But I just surrender to the process and said, i'm here for reason. I've paid for this, so i'm actually enjoy this experience. And I did respond.

T, G, feel amid evil prisoner locked in. You want to do? I could leave .

at any time I wanted the door was open. So if I want to leave.

did anyone else make IT? Five, nine, eight, yes, a lot of people .

and somebody was coming out actually, when I was going in thirty, thirty nights. I could not believe that because I don't I wouldn't want to do do I mean, like I think I really forty eight hour reset would be interesting, but even five days, four nights was like, okay, that's enough. You know.

last the person, look.

I mean, I didn't see them, but I heard they were a little bit depressed, which I can I can imagine.

Are you kid IT?

Yes, I heard your story on the on rogan though like you definitely double a little bit in in some psychiatric s did you what was there ever any like real major breakthrough that like stuck with you or was a lot of just like tripping .

i'm going to the years old no but it's a different country um and you know just it's so so long ago and far away it's hard to believe it's real but um yeah .

for sure I mean .

we but I was seventies eighties yeah s and I just scrip world drugs. Certain drugs much more i'm accepted that they are now i'm not saying that's good but um at all but you know different time but yeah no, I did.

I've done a lot of that and I decided I mean a long time ago I ve had an advil in twenty two years i'm i'm the sobs manual ever made but I was afraid, I mean, one thing I learned was there's a lot of stuff swelling around inside you and that's why the darkness retreat really struck me because that would know that stuff would rise right to the surface. And i'm not really comfortable being in touch with all of that. Some of that is chaotic and scary.

And it's not clear how much of IT is from within and how much of IT is from without. No, I didn't really believe in the unseen world when I was doing stuff like that. Uh, so I didn't really consider IT, but I may I saw some very scary things and I was don't do that again, you know IT means so actually I didn't get much out if you and I remember once while taking on sty, I when I was fifteen, you know just too Young to be doing that anyway.

But I remember writing down like my profound thoughts. And as I was in the middle, this very, very far out experience and didn't make any sense. In fact, I found them in my barn, in this building upstairs, where we, what I need to see, the generations of family stuff stored um a couple summer ago I was like I got to go through these boxes, you know various dies from deceased relatives and including my my acid memories, which were really banal and in fragmentary like what does this even mean you know to get through them away when my kids seeing that but um no, I didn't have any breakthrough. I'll tell you the breakthrough for me was so priority just because I party too much so having to face things without a correct iphone really and admit you know your I think all growth and joy begins with admitting who you really are being onest by yourself.

not only.

but I dark distro tree would maybe too much honesty for me. You so you said you thought about what your life would be like if you kept playing once another team or if you retired. I mean, at some point you're gonna tire, right? What what you going to do?

I take a few d breaths, relaxed little but I think um i've been done this for twenty five years uh playing football uh twenty this year in the interface. M um i've been mildly famous um for the last you know twenty years old， twenty one I guess um i'd like to to stick step back and just you know enjoy life in a different way, like to be a father at some point and take on that that chapter in life um which is exciting me but how hard is IT to date .

when you're as famous as you are oh what you .

can be hard pressure but I think in general um you become a pretty good judge character over the years when you make mistakes and trust Young people uh whether is business or personal life. Um you know you can sniff some things out pretty quickly, I think but you never know and you know you you might so man, when you're fifteen right yeah um the most beautiful thing about that, uh which is the harder thing about relationships in general that i've seen with my friends, is how do you grow together you know, because your different person, fifteen, twenty, twenty five, thirty five, you know.

But finding someone who's willing to like grow with you and being what you're into and that you have your own separate life, which is beautiful and big and fall and then you can come together and not having to find you like full identity in that other person, I think is really important. So you know, it's just trying to to do all those things. I really just trying to work on myself and and ready myself, uh, because i've you know been way to co dependent relationships in the past or and kind of lost myself and I called on to this idea of what I think a relationship is and I just not IT hasn't been sustainable for me um but I am confident to be will be a time when that when that comes comes together and till then just just enjoying myself.

Since you spent the majority of your life famous at this point, what do you think of that? What do you think of being famous?

IT has its pluses for sure um it's not ever anything I signed up for. I just love to play foobar, yeah and my fame grew really around the same time we won super ball and I did a stay farm commercial and I it's actually true。 It's like it's unna but it's true like, uh, I became the stay farm guy at the same time.

I became a super champion and A P ultimately um in my life from twenty eleven on just really took a whole different change before that I was uh recognizable, I would say after that I was famous yeah and I was like the famous foobar player also add man pitch guy from stay farm um so more people knew me and I love my privacy and that got totally kind of taken away so so I went through out of you felt like this. But i've definitely done two phases of being a recluse for sure why I just don't want to go out, don't want to see anybody um and I don't really like that. I am introverted in general, but I I love people I love like my routine and I feel like I got so just scared of not having my privacy year, just like annoy that.

I just stopped doing things that I enjoy doing, and I just didn't really like doing that. And I do exactly what I want to do, what I want to do IT. And and trying to have a little bit set to humor with with some of the reactions that come up from people are situations where I can just add privacy and just final more human.

And that seems to transmit some of frustration of fear in the, in the joy in those moments. What are are you? I mean.

yeah, yeah, I not do IT at all. But yeah, you can definitely .

become a red for sure. Some people kind of sign up for, that's what they want.

Those are the saddest of all people. You want to be famous, you want to be loved, but who would have never .

made you what's like kids these days or same? What you want to group is not a fireman ter athlete so it's famous or an influence .

or well to influence people I think is a great honor .

and and .

can be a joy yes right? But to be well known is no of course, it's a where there's no upside but soever in if you find that important than your a holo said person, that's like what you what is you know? But I mean, one thing I noted by famous people, i've always notices, having spent a lot of time around them for last thirty years, is they all know each other.

Ever notice that? yes. Yeah there's knowing I think you can know what what that person's going through. So there's A A base level of like, oh, we kind of know how to navigate this life in a similar fashion. Yeah there's like that there's that um just closest I think that comes with initial meeting of like oh, we probably have similar experiences. So there's like that connection um kind of off the bat uh, with that um I mean, i'm sure you feel you feel that in yeah have .

a big family so that really helps. Um so yeah I don't have that many famous friends but some but .

I don't know, was looking at you're bored to you.

A lot of a lot of people in this born when you're going through like for example, when you tested positive for ona and and then you admitted that you were part of the despise ed unvexed yeah you are a criminal amii, zed and the world just like comes down on your head and your agent and of the sponsors are calling you maybe yes, there we of course they are right. And i'm sure the league is calling you and you're just under who do you talk to about is do you have people in your life who can bucks you up?

You have a great support system, I think IT the last couple years and i'm sure feels same way but the last ten years, but every year, IT seems to get even smaller. But the circle kind constricts a little bit and there's just there's less people who know exactly what's going on. There's just a really tight nit group of inside, and there's a beautiful group outside who you love when you talk to and spend some time, but they don't know everything and and they don't get to because there's a certain things that only meant for a really small group of man, and I love that. And so those people are Marks and they're not, yes, people there people that can tell me exactly what's going on and what I need to hear and what I want to hear um but there is a .

really small group if you keep .

the skippers at your life yeah a lot of them oh, I know. Yeah, you want to be involved.

Would you rather be attacked to your face or flattered to your face?

Probably flattered.

You're not this .

man you know attack. It's like, you know because you we are talking about this last night about you know like we can be in situations where you can just have a Normal conversation with somebody who disagrees. You're right. A lot of times it's that persons film te or something else film or there should talk to you and they want to get a reaction out of you. So those you know, I don't shy away from those and I don't those don't like get under my skin X, I find those comical, but I much.

no, not .

really. I think most people that, uh, I do say this like, and I feel confidence like the majority of people they want to enter me, cancel me, shame me, should talk me if they got to know me, I think would have a different opinion at me. And I hear this from from actually a lot of people like, man, you're just so much different than I thought.

what do they think you're like?

Well, they get through the image from mainstream media or from two discount teammates that i'm some sort of like overly argan narcisse c prick. And then when you get to know me, it's like, oh, you're not really any of those things um that you've been painted as because you have to have a villa and you're the villain now because you stood up to the government and you're not you know but and paid for and be holding to all these other you know things and you're not quiet about your beliefs um do I think that's usually the common uh perception and in the common reaction I hear from a lot of people, people who don't even actually agree with me um or who thought about me a lot of time a certain way uh often will say me and I really enjoyed this time together this dinner, this conversation and and you're different than I thought. I'm always like thanks I guess no expectations you know, high deliverables.

I thought you were in an as hole by the way. I'm sorry, totally forgot. This are pretty just put all stuff have any moted any but they found this which just amuse the hello amy member how they were saying iver mecon was horse d warmer. Pretty sure I took iver mcs horse faced. This actually is IT was .

by dura .

mecon over mecon paste for oil use and horses only, though IT does like rectal use. That's the ever macand dispenser. I'm going to keep that on the bar right behind you .

just to see if see little shadow box, the box for IT put up on the wall and be awesome.

So what are your team mates? Think of all this .

stuff most of most really interested, you know, I try to uh, share a lot of my experience, especially my failures as Young player, because I want to help these guys not make same mistakes. So whether it's failure in the higher wrong manager, agent or financial people are just not be involved in my business as a Young person or some these guys involve a lot of family members to handle like really important part of their jobs. And just .

like share my .

experiences with those member is like a sort of I you know account. There is something lawyer or something you trust them like. I think it's always best to kind of keeps some distance between friendship and business to its always can get a little bit di at times.

H, I made that many mistakes doing that and try and share those experiences with them. My life are publicly the things I talk about more now as we're shifting four years from um three years ago from covered uh is more around play medicine. So they are very interested not interested in.

I was ask so Simon, and the effects and the fears and they have a lot of the same uh fears that most people have around a bad trip, a bad journey, a bad um time. And so it's fun to have those conversations. Many people reached out wanting to save their own journey, their own trips. Just learn more about IT um I am a habit reader as well so the people know check on me about your books to to read and recommend and so I love doing that was on my t mates and so I might start with the alchemist without one and maybe sent him to crack our booker same to a self file book or something or maybe a book about medicine but um B I just we joked there was a group of us in the corner, the locker that we can call the brain trust so we the four of us start talking and you see like somebody compulsion up another guy I would come over like next you know it's like ten guys is kind to listen to what we're talking about and guys are eager to learn um people from all different types of backgrounds and walks life. And um that's a lot of fun but I think to be reliable to those guys, you get first share your failures, you know share your share you know the things you wish i'd done differently and and it's like I would guess it's like a parent where you don't want to say on from everything, but but you like to stop on from making you big mistakes that could really affect their life uh, down the road, some some lessons to get learn on the road. But there's some things that i've fucked up on that I love to share the guys so they don't make the same as C I did.

Are you going to miss you?

Yeah, for sure. I miss you guys like going to derby is less we can. The best part in with all respect to the horses and churchill downs in our stuff, the real point of the trip is is the the come out with the guys.

And as most guys I played with and lot of guys I only see maybe once or twice a year, and this is kind of one of those events, like we just share stories and laugh about the same stuff and catch up on family and kids and and injuries and body and health and the newest hacks that they're work on, on one of our guys, you know, who is my center for a long time, and he played like three hundred and five pounds, highways two thirty five. So like seeing him healthy is awesome. And talking about his life of their four kids. Now on a beautiful wife, the fun parse is seen these guys want to twice a year. And just like keeping that close bond.

Is that weird to be the last guy stand? He is work. I'm here. The last guy from your year.

i'm the last guy from a year i'm last go in that group. Uh, that's a the big group. This plan devoted atoms was with us in advantage to plan going to the ten season.

But we I like all the guys I came in gue are gone, you know like long gone, long gone. But I and I trans send a lot of stuff like we had dinner saturday and a few of Simon guys came over and one of the guys was ray Lewis, the sun. And just tell a kid who's not a kid he's in his twice, like I played in your dad, that feels gona weird. Yeah, that is wear. No, it's crazy.

What's the truth about C T. E?

The truth is our sport is dangerous.

Oh yeah, yeah.

And the truth, our sport is dangerous. Um the truth is that there's minor brain injuries and happen every single game. I would assume there's collision.

It's a collision sport. And I think it's important that we really pay attention to uh, how our bodies responding. The league st uh in the agreement with the players has gotten Better.

Every single collective bargaining agreement, which I think i've been a part of three now, where they've done a Better job of taking care of older players. But back in the day, even when I was a Young player, you get there in the head. Just let IT clear where you see stars.

That's fine. Like farve, he talked about all the concussions. He he said he he would never come out was just like a day the scene starts as fine just like let the past and go back in there. Have a gated yeah about that um but I think we do want a Better job of uh of safety and the you know equipments Better. The homeless are Better, diagnosis are Better.

Our people worried about what do you think Younger players?

I don't think, I don't think so. Not not, not many of them. I think more people are worried about their own health and some of the you know mad that are given out like there was a mad problem in league for a while. Guys used to get IT was easy to get vacant purchase sets that kind of stuff. Um then there was an issue, uh, had one of the teams and I kind of change policy which is Better now, but um that was an issue, I think, uh, some addiction to some of that stuff that I need, some my teammates .

had um do you remember that?

Oh yes, I remember a team in a mine who was so addicted, uh, to purchase that that yet to be put under anesthesia to have his uh surgically repair knee, uh, moved that was wild and I was that was not abNormal. There were a lot of people that were.

why? Because IT adult.

his this is painted he has just like he had you know, he had to give so many magic to like be able to to be moved sword .

to he recover .

not really. I mean, he has he since as now and he's and he's he's don't really good. He's spent sober for a while but um but that's an issue there a really bad start that that used there was a scared tactic but it's true back and day said within three years seventy five percent of four players ah three years post retirement will be broke uh divorce or unemployed um and a lot time is multiple of of those three and I see a lot because you're live in his life.

You're making ten of money uh that money train drives up uh you maybe don't have eternal life skills or haven't spent time in the league like planning for your post career stuff or don't have the money to just like coh like I could and some of the people buy a long time could and then you know there's this mental issues that um um you know that that happened, you know and it's a very sad statistics. The league you tries to do some things to kind of promote the second career staff and financial literacy, but um a lot of its on the guys to learn on their own, and if you do not have the right people advice, he knew it's i've seen a lot of my former friends yeah I go through some a some crisis in their twenties because the course three years now you're you know you twenty six, twenty seven, you have no job. You may or may have graduated from college, but who knows how many people actually lose use the degree now anyway from college, I mean college, you know you know.

skills other than to the game.

And now they're trying to figure what to do.

So pretty in and they ve got married the wrong person .

along the way possibly yeah or just like fifty percent of marriages at this point or more and the divorce anyway so um when them you know you know I mean there's not blaming, not wife shaming here. No.

I get IT, I get IT. But I mean it's again back to the fame question. If a woman is coming at you because you're famous, that's not a good basis for a marriage.

No, that's that. And you know there's some guys who um you know haven't you have made some brought decisions too with having kids and multiple women and um you know some of those were bad decisions by the men, some of those women you know who you saw a million aire foobar player and I want to you know be ten care for a while. Both of those are true. Um so sometimes that is some you take with you in the game where now you have a couple your kids out there that you are taking care for many years and you know the same type of money coming in and list financial issues with some of the child support that you should and do pay um so okay, there's a lot of mistakes are made and some you can rectify and get through and some make lipo one more difficult if you not able to play like me twenty years don't have any financial issues or any kid issues up like that.

You said um that you started to realize that a lot of what we take for granted IT is actually untrue and in some of this by this I mean our civilization is built on lies.

You start to figure that .

out in high school. What do you think but but you also said you're in favor of just disclosing, like the government should tell everything IT knows if we did that, if if we actually learned the truth about everything, various words that we've had, assassinations that we've had, our economy like, what would happen? The government thinks things would fall apart.

People would just be so overwhelmed and so disgusted they wouldn't believe in the government. They would. I do not become natalist or something like, what do you think would happen if we actually knew the truth of that?

Everything I want to get the worst thing. I mean, if if you make any decisions based done. Was the worst that that would happen in this case.

I think they'll be a ton of people actually connecting and finding common ground because IT be a common enemy. You know, the enemy of of my enemy is my friend. It's right, right? And I think would be fascinating to what's the structures we put so much trust in just crumble.

And I think a lot of that needs to happen, whether that's in one disclosure, one fell through per over, over the years. Um IT is kind of while though that we still can't release a gfk files and were that happened one hundred and sixty three or sixty went sixty one years as november yeah um fires are tried to release their files in seventy five years initially. That's what they asked you know their their their testing stuff seventy five years they want um disclosure on the U F O. Stuff was supposed to happen many times.

right? Trump most recently last year.

the trump suppose you saw and then decide not to releasing right? IT was at the gf case of he was talking both both yeah and by everything's gone push back. I don't know. I think in order for us to to advanced society there has to be in this age of a court has to be disclosure. I mean, for you, you had to be pretty living in washington working you know, for fox being the top either stuff that nobody knows and you probably know more than the common person but how much did you encounter your specific is stuff that you don't think the american public could handle that you .

know or that you believe um I mean, I agree with you one hundred percent and I thought that was so nicely put and so smart that if you knew the truth, your belief and lives, of course, would evaporate. You'd no longer believe the liars and that's not a bad thing, but that you would be united much more than we are now with you're fellow americans and I think that's a really is a wonderful way look at I think .

that's right yeah I said enemy of my enemy but it's like i'm not enemies with, uh you know a democrats or republican in is something different skin color and do you wanna .

you know, if you watch the media? I I ve thought this couple of years ago they always called me racist. What supreme es, when never bother me that much?

Because i'm not you .

logy apology. I didn't care all about that. I really want to be called the races because that's awful. It's awful to be a racist. So um but then I stopped bother me.

But I was left with the feeling, man, there's a lot of racial attention in this country and this clearly some. But I gotta a tell you in the last I know ten years, I never, i've not had one black person confront me about being raced. Is not one, not a single time.

And i've also not heard people like angry about race in my personal life. Maybe just me. I think there's a lot less. Rest hate. Then we're told there is much, I think, most people kind of to get along with each other actually in this country. I believe that and I very clear to me that they're doing the same purpose, the people in charge, in order to keep us divided and angry and confused. So I agree with you um that disclosure would have that effect in my specific case.

I feel like i've earned probably too much about a couple of topics because IT, by the way, there are some things that I can prove that I believe to be true so I don't repeat them um but you know the U I P stuff, I some of that is really distressing to me, what I believe to be true, but I I can prevent. But um as i've said before, I think it's spiritual. I think some of these things are dark and I human um probably someone. But you know do .

you think because there there's potential entire human uh properties that there's actually pro human supernatural.

Well, I think gods, I think gods real for sure. And as you know, evil flourishes. You also see it's it's obvious you see good at work, you see, got at work I do in my life all the time in a way that I didn't say five years ago. I wasn't thinking like that at all. The very secular person who grew in a very secular world, unlike you, I did not grow up in any recognizable church at all and so um I had none of those assumptions but no I I think it's know in bad times like this one, there are macula and hurtling moments and I will exceed that all the time. If we learned everything that the government is hiding from us, what would you be most interested learning about?

Well, I mean, gfk, for sure. Yeah, I want to, I want to see those files because that would got into IT. But I think the U A P thing. Would you be shocked to learn .

that jeffrey abscission didn't kill himself?

no.

I mean, how .

many, how many jeffrey up stine thai people are out there? Well, that's right. That's the real question.

You mean people who been killed, who been killed or people who are using sexes a blackmail tool that you?

And then who's pulling the strings on that?

Any guesses?

Klain maxmara has a lot of tied to the master. Yep, that would make sense. I mean, Jeffery didn't seem to get some of the appointments he was given in the prominence based on merit.

Somebody was put them on the right spots, but I don't think is the only one I think this I think there's a problem weird, bizarre really that has a weird sex component to IT um with some of the elites and there is a pedophile component to as well which is which is really sc and there's in some prominent figures you know who are in the spotlight as as a late this I would like that to be to be exposed. But Geoffrey epstein's had the goods on everybody. There were a lot of people that didn't want him to be alive. And in the whole you know wild story around you know multiple people being sleep and you know he had not been watched at the time is real convenient and I just don't believe in that many coincidence.

No, no, no. He he was murdered in in federal detention in manhattan. I don't think there's any question about that and people lied about IT, including the the then attorney general.

the united states. I think there's some weird correlations between the and anomalous that you know the john y debt trial had eyes on a crazy coverage in the glen maxim trial head next to no coverage, no T V coverage, no no nightly commentary about IT, no traffic to nobody. I mean, they really got SHE is endive for trafficking kids and nobody who SHE was traveling kids to .

canada IT .

or named yeah and all the files are are out there, haven't still have been released. We have one testimony from one, uh, victim. That's how we have when I came out. This is only the one victim and there's hundreds i'm just in that little who flew on a little leader express and there's a lot of super prominent names who are on the flight. looks.

What's the .

sex thing .

about I mean, you have been in famous guy world for a long time and you're from like me, you're from california so obviously been around well known cultural figures um the little have you how long if you thought this that that sex plays a role well .

i'm not that long. I mean I I just kind of i've seen some interesting things.

I bet you .

have been around some interesting parties and yet gathering that of strange um not anything like what IT sounds like a daily party um but just even at Oscar party just seen how some people act was always very little strange I just never resonated but I was almost like interesting people watching but there always seem like there was parties from within the party people who can do their own thing um that always kind of wear me out a little bit but but getting into conspiracy y stuff then you know about secret society stuff and like stuff like the heming growth yes and you know what nixon said about the and grove and what do you say well you have to go look at was great as well as not exactly you know there this is something .

that they are all gay.

right something like everybody said, yeah um and the secret around that and that's not the only secret society, is a lot of really interesting secret society is not just like the skull bones at yellow which has produced all those presidents and in the free misery at a higher level and um there is a sexual component I talked to a lot of that um obviously with abstinent IT was black meal to get them and do what they want.

I mean, how many people are compromised by that that are in positions of power today? Yeah I think you're naive to think it's none. And you SAT on the podcast when joe, the scary part for those people is that um and for us you know is they could you know puts some of your computer to cancel you. They could set you up for something oh of course thankfully me i've I don't want born uh you i've never been uh into any weird kinky stuff um so be really you know and think you would be .

pretty unwise for a person to get into online point because all that stuff is monitored.

What I think a of those people probably are .

you'd have to be an idio. There's a there's a camera on your phone and your ipad in your laptop yeah, yeah but .

I mean, didn't you know, again, weird anomalies with everything, but you know, IT IT gets used all the time, right? Like the fact that gets used all the time of silence people to quire people, whether that's legitimate or not. If it's legitimate, that's fuck and sick and gross. And you should be if it's a legitimate, not real and has been planted like that's fucked and city shit. Sami.

well, Kitty porn, I I always try and say IT allowed just to independent y myself to protect myself against. I don't I don't have a laptop, not in the born or Kitty born. I just want .

to say that out that yeah just feel like I would if you can spend .

five nights with darkness. I think you psychologically pretty healthy like you you're beating the averages on that um I feel like i'm pretty psychologically healthy and I couldn't do that. But if you .

found .

out everything you said, faith government would collapse completely. Yes, and that's a good thing. But would would that be like the road to energy at that point?

I. Think you might need some of that. You know, like what enter key I think is always seen. You have to look up, give me the exact definition of anarchy. But the thought of energy is just like chaos.

Yes, chaos.

But it's more just A A A belief. It's more like a belief in um the uh it's a doubt in the governments ability to .

his job yes, at its core I qualify them yeah .

um I can call you an anarchist but um we need some of that we need we need some of we need more questioning, we need we need more um disclosure. We need more things being brought out to light. Um we need more journalists to do in their job and having the right conversation. I'm excited for you. I can you imagine who you gna get on on your podcast and this kind .

to be amazing the first one, and i'm grateful. So if just two more questions .

and then .

I have the end to um so the the first one is I asked you what you're going to do when you retire, which is probably imminent just at some point just because of your age and your um amazing lang getting so far on the sport but you said you just want ticketing breath could you see yourself running for office?

I know I believe in bobbi and and what are you stanford? But um i've never been super into a politics and and as said publicly, I believe its a shame now I retract that when the context of Bobby because I I believe in what he stands for but i'd never felt like there's bitten two parties. It's just been the same people and bombs still get drop regards of whether it's trump or obama or bush or clinton, war still get fought.

Taxes still get levied, you know um evil and corruption still exists, secret and shake society still exists. The lobby's power still exist. All the big, you know big whatever in military industrial complex still exists no matter who's in charge.

So how much can you actually impact? I don't know. I I like to think that the Bobby I got in, they didn't take him out, that he he an x and real change. I think the alphabet groups need a full makeover.

And if we're going to, you know, support asp an, then let's make sure when I doing that around people who are good, you know, uh, well, you know, consciences, h, freedom, love in americans, public, ican, democrat, independent, black, White, asian, mexican, whatever, IT is just great. Fuck, people live in this country. Leave us alone.

Leave us alone. Yes, stop spying on me. Yeah, get off my computer. Get off my cameras. Get off my ring camera. You know, take down all this stupid fucking in C, C, T, V cameras everywhere that are watching everything.

Uh because the next step to all of this, people don't realize this and this is the fuck and facts is china and what's going on there and social credit cores and the entire life monitored like that's where we're going on slowly, joran pearson said. Was we talked about how does camera with the conversation was I heard him say this, how does corruption um take form when it's so obvious？ It's slow moments.

It's like barely ancient towards you know total uh corruption and obedience where you don't really see a common next you know like oh I know other option but get a chip on my hand or uh, have a social credit score that allows me to fly in a plane if I don't have a good one that I got right on a bus or train or a cab or you know I can drive you know they want all elector cars. I can just shut that off at some point because you your post on facebook kind of violated the government standard here. And also we're going to uh freeze your bank account or only let you you know eat this restaurant.

Um sorry, eat you know get groceries from the the store not like the nice organic story to eat this shoot over here eat insects and what are the other store? We're not far from that if we don't like stand for for civil liberties and people always like, you know what I talk about because i'm always been a big proponent of of that snowy people like I have nothing to hide and I, mike, that is the fucking worth ed answer, because I don't really high either, but I want my privacy and you understand you think the government is gonna stop and what they do. And now now I going to a stop with this, their ancient closer to to be in thousand nine hundred eighty four.

Will they have, uh, SAT in your some sort of TV set in your house that watches you, makes you get up? And do you can push ups and sit ups when to watch every aspect of your life, give you a social credit care? great.

I mean, it's a fucked and great book to read was in one thousand hundred and forty nine and how many, how accurate IT is today. Little, the administers of truth. We had the, we really had A A government org, zia, that was censoring free speech and and category and things as misinformation. There was a, there was a ministry.

Truths are who was making decisions based on what they thought was acceptable language online and all these fact I can bullshit like we're not far from nineteen forty nine from that book one thousand and eighty four which was riding one thousand forty nine um if we don't take a stand for our civil liberties and and that's why I think that the needs be more disclosure, I hope there is a hope there's more corruption, hope Bobby is a chance to to debate because think you do a help and job hope the change the uh comella Harris because I think that would be A A big win for her. Um have you met her? No, I haven't. No, I enjoy enjoy what he says.

Um my last questions, like we are moving there and no one is stopping IT at this as of today, you know may twenty twenty four. So where are we in five years?

I you know I was a little bit worried come out at covent because I saw so many people who were manipulated by fear and lay down and follow the rules. I think IT was a lot of people who are captivated by fear for sure, but the majority was conscious. Good, harder, america. This rate, I really do believe that who just wanted to do what they thought was right to action, trusting that the government wouldn't lie to them, wouldn't fuck with them. And I think those people are waking up and as why I have hope, I really do have hope that um that we learned our lesson and that the powers that be the the the the evil unseen world um overstepped a little bit too far and a day they got power hungry and they get little over their skies and the people woke up and and are not going allow this to happen again. And there's some weird things going on the world right now.

The stuff of the border is very weird, like listening to but when I talk on Robin about the groups of chinese uh military of men that are getting in is very a nervine um and they donate in new ways I were not prosecuting body uh in ladies big cities and there's the George source of the world who are anti human and funding a lot of these protests probably on these cause campuses as there are arresting people who don't have student cities, who aren't part of IT. We saw in wisconsin there was riots going on their boston people in front elano in I different places. So there's anti there's anti human people out there who who don't want this to happen.

But I think there's so many incredible good hearted counts to americans, both republican, democrat, independent on the side, don't give IT IT about politics, obsess over sea span every day, whatever might be, who are just waking up and going, you know what? This is not the america, deb. You know, my ancestors fought for that.

I want to be a part of that. I was when I was a kid, when I was in high school, when I was in college, whatever might be, and they're gonna put up, put that much larger. And I think that that's i'm saying I think the the evil kind of overstepped a little bit too far. And now that the the ties are turning.

I hope you're right. I hope you look back and see cover is blessing.

Yeah, this is the other part of IT is where do we get our media from these days like the the the information police who forever grown up, not me, but like the water park kids of the world who are idealized as like the dan rather even would like IT seem like there was someone you could trust to was, give me the truth on T. V. Yes, that those days are gone.

And thankfully, x has some level of freedom. Smith too. But media or media, we get from majority of us, from twitter, not from fox or CNN. True, right? You had a huge following, but then you go to x and your numbers go fuck and crazy. Yeah but the majority how we're going to change the world, I think is by having conversations like this and not just me and just some some tie backs. Foobar player .

is there .

conspire is yeah um but with joe, I mean the most the most influential people in the world, right joe rogan want to want yeah joe has ten plus million. Listen to everyone is podcast. Every single podcast that does goes immediate the number one on spotify oh yeah yourself the numbers you get in present, you get the you get when you did interviews with trump and putin and everybody between or astronomical no was ever seen.

It's gonna be. What gives me hope is that you have our voice of reason. You are willing to stand up what you believe in, and that, you know, guys like joke and yourself and countless others are willing to like later, reputation aside, a cancelled for stand up what I believe is right. And that's the way that we change things. So that's why I fucking in a huge fan yours and just want to encourage you if I can just like fuck can keep doing down because this is how the world changes by haven't long form conversation with interesting people who can change narrative and give people to go, you know what?

Maybe I can change my opinion because that's the only way that we grow together is talking about that we don't actually agree on everything or we have a what we think is a tightly held belief and we go, you know what, i'm onna lose that grip a little bit and just listen to what somebody else has to say and maybe there's something that goes, I like that I might I might not have to hold so firmly to this anymore and it's it's just like in the church, right in in your spiritual son. I'm a for a person talking about aliens. You can talk about this in church right now there's no what god created adamonis ve and just on this planet, right? There's no nothing else to look at.

Well, there's some weird to you know, extra treasure references in the bible that, uh, they didn't have maybe the words for but uh, there could be some should going on here and maybe I can hold so tally to that one belief that i'm the only thing in the entire earth and the earth is five thousand years old and there's nothing else going on here like we all need to transgress uh you know to trans sense, sorry um our our beliefs to include this stuff that we want and all of us to get to the next level, whether that's the next dimension. Uh a new earth, uh a new way of living is to transit and include what we believe. And in doing that, I think it's talking to people that we don't know to agree with. It's like what i'm trying to do and will continue try and do. And I have employ and compassion for people that have slighter me, chain me and can tell me, try to and give us that is the most Christian possible .

thing you could do. I mean, Christians are commanded to do that. They don't.

But they, they're commanded to do that. Pray for those who pursue you love your enemies. I mean.

that's and like some cereal, do IT I an incest ly trying try and do that? And I think we can all do that on some level. But IT starts with just like this opening your heart will try to let people look bit Better to and love, so lobby Better and then not being scared to stand up. What you believe .

IT feels like there's a depth of conversation. This is my last question. But have you noticed in your personal life that the conversations are having with the people you love who are friends with that they're much deeper than they were five years ago.

much, much deeper. Yeah, I think there's a number of reasons for that. It's just where i'm at um personally and and the the changes i've tried to make um but I think in general, people are desperate for that deep connection and they just tired of service service level stuff and and they really want to to go deep. And we attracted our tribe, you know you via attraction, our tribe. And just like you said, I don't really know anybody who is like vaster more in a masking cars are .

really either and .

not judging interesting. I didn't have them most fearful. I love you know whatever you do in, but like the people that i'm trying to attract and that IT happened um IT is people who are desperate for like depth and connection and finding like common ground, even the people that I don't to know what people recently that are you know fully backs and double boosted.

And we had a beautiful conversation about know a dozen different topics. I left go on fuck is awesome. Like I love me now to connect with people like that who don't have a base level of like yes, believe that I do but the but we both came the table like in the actual table like want to have like a deep conversation and understand each other Better and I think that's how we move this thing forward.

And that's my life is just like people who want to go deep. And whether it's on medical of medicine, talking about medicine and not talking about medicine, it's all it's all like how can we connect deeper? How can we love Better? How can we love ourselves in our world and and actually make a difference and that's why you guys like yourself, guys like joe, or making a difference because platforming people um who really care about this life and are doing awesome things.

And when you hear somebody who's passionate about somebody, just get you like, kind of my body lies about life, you like, fuck yah like these people do love amErica and they do want to make a difference and they do. You care about right, wrong. And there is a field value where things are good and things are able and stand up for what's good. And that's that's what you don't as you did on fox for those years, that's what you did when you folk and left fox. 嗯， and i'm glad to know you're glad of your friends.

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