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That i'll starting reverse order right now. Well, i've been trying for three years to do this interview. Um the U. S.

Government prevented me from doing IT by spying on my text messages and leaking them to the near times and that spooked to the russian government into canceling the interview. So i've been trying to do this, but my country's intel l services were working against me illegally. And that enranged me because i'm an american citizen.

And fifty four, I paid my taxes. I obey the law, and there was no expectation in the amErica I grew up and that my government and its intel services in A N CIA, which are always outward focused on our foreign enemy, would be turned the inward against american citizens. And i'm shocked by that, and i'm infuriated by that.

And so once I discovered that that was happening, and I confirmed IT was happening, and they admitted that they did IT, then I was totally determined, monomaniacal dedicated to doing this interview, not simply because I want to know what veteran putting is like and what he thinks about a war that is resetting the world and really gravely damaging my country's economy, but also because they told me I couldn't on the basis of illegitimate means and for no really clearly stated justification. And I thought, that can't stand. I don't. I want to live in a free country. I was born in one, and i'm going to do whatever small thing I can do to maintain, know this society that I I love.

You are known to be through republican party, right? Thing of the republican party. This is what they claim.

They said, first, you've been a demotic. That's a republican, okay? Or you are known to be program. What is truthful in this and you want to pull in because you are programmed. And I mean.

my views are not very interesting. I would i'm not sure how to character. I seem they're changing as quickly as the world itself is changing.

And I as a matter of principle, I I think that you your views should change when the evidence changes in assumptions that you had in the past or proven wrong. That has happened to me virtually every month of my life. If you pay close enough attention, you can reach your own performance just as if you're betting on sports.

You know, I lost that one. And when you do, when IT turns out that things you thought we're true. Where lies you should admit.

So what are my views? I'm not certain. Tell the truth is my main view.

And I planned to do that to the best viability. So trump played no role in this whatsoever. There's a obviously election in my country coming to fruition an in november.

I have no idea what's going to happen. I think that the current administration is very obviously incompetent and the president is senior. That's not an attack.

Everyone knows IT IT has now been confirmed. I would say this week in in the report that you're all familiar, but and that's very sad. But I had sort of nothing to do with the interview.

I wanted to interview putin because he's the leader of a country that the U. S. Government is sort of at war with, though not in the declared way.

So, you know, your president, president biden, well, yesterday been working in several media organizations from P, B S C, M B C, M B C, fox news, CNN, and you have been covering this field well, and you know, the american politicians, and now you've been following put putin, and you did a very lengthy interview with the gentlemen, and for sure to interview them. You do your homework and you do deal research comparing the culture, the competence between flad, mir, putin and biden. How do you see the two men now running the world?

I mean, if this was boxing, the fight would be called by thematic. So and I say, that is an american, and I don't have another passport. I don't plan to ever leave my country.

My family spent there hundreds of years, and I love IT. I am a patriotic american. And I G eve, when I see that the president is non compass menus and that in my country, IT is considered very rude to say that.

And you sort of wonder, how did you get to a place where you have an incompetent president who's driven in not simply the standard of living, but life expectancy downward? And no one feels free to say that that's not a political observation. It's a statement, in fact, which is provable empirically.

And the most radicalizing thing I would just say for me in the eight days I spent in moscow was not simply the leader of the country, who, of course, is impressive. It's the largest land mass in the world, and it's wildly diversely. Linguistically, culturally, religiously, is hard to run a country like that for twenty four years, whether you like IT or not.

So an capable person couldn't do that. He is very capable. And many, if you know him, and you know that what was radicalizing, very shocking and very disturbing for me was the city of moscow.

I'd never been the biggest city in europe. Thirteen million people. And IT is so much nice for than any city in my country.

I had no idea. My father, who spent a lot of time there in the eighties, when he worked for the U. S. Government that barely had the electricity.

And now IT is so much cleaner and safer and pretty oaz themal its architecture, its food, its service than any country in city, in the united states that you have in this anonymous logical, how did that happen? How did that happen? And at a certain point, I don't think the average person cares as much about abstractions as about the concrete reality of his life.

And if you can use your subway, for example, as many people are freed to in york city because it's too dangerous, you have have to sort of wonder, isn't that the ultimate measure of leadership? And that's true, by the way, it's ratio zing for the american to go to moscow. I didn't know that i've learned that this week to sing singapore to tokyo to dubai.

Ebitda because these cities, no matter how we're told they're run and on what principles they're run, are wonderful places to live. They don't have rampant inflation. We are not going to get raped. And so is me. What is that?

Excuse me, are you and the american model?

No, I am the most pro american. So i'm fifty four. I was one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine. I grew up in a country that had cities like moscow and abadie and dubai and singapore and tokyo, and we no longer have them.

And what I have discovered is that a voluntary choice as inflation as as you heard in that fascinating last panel, inflation is the product of choices made mostly by the central bank, not exclusively, but by policymakers. Crime same, you don't have to have crime actually, if you don't put my children don't smoke marijuana, the breakfast table, why? Because I won't allow them.

It's very simple as short conversation. no. And you can run your country the same way. We're not going to put up with that.

So don't do IT and people understand that filth graffiti is one of my favorite cities. New york, one of my favorite cities, are filthy. And part of the reason their filthy is because people spray paint absent taties on buildings, and no one clean IT up.

So that encourage is more people to do the same. And our policymakers, for some reason, don't notice this. London, another of my favorite cities. You see english girls begging for drugs on the sidewalk.

And I thought to myself, if i'm borried Johnson briefly and very badly ran that country, I would ask myself, like with a second, my county men are begging for drugs on the street. Maybe I should do something about that, but now show up and give some speech about ukraine and how we need to send you more cluster bombs to the beach. ukraine? What are you doing?

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You mentioned ukraine by talking to this gentleman, president protein, for this lengthy interview. My question is, did you had coffee with him? Did you have any um of the record discussion before the interview? After did you feel during the interview or before or after that this man can make, or is willing to do historical compromise?

Number one, on the status of the world with the west. And number two, about ukraine. Is he compromised? yes? Oh, no, of course.

right. I mean, the leaders of every country on the planet, other than maybe the united states during the unipolar period, are forced, by the nature of their jobs, to compromise. Compromise is part of that's what diplomacy is.

And he's among those. His positioning is clearly hardening. Russia has been rebutted by the west.

I mean, White, my puttin, this is not, i'm not flag king for putin. I'm in america. I'm not going to live in russia.

I don't live vatten my putin. I'm i'm stating the he asked bill k. Linton to join nato. He tried to make a missile deal.

He mentioned this in the interview.

That's correct and and he's mention in other forms as well. And nato said, no, we don't want you now if the point of nato, not if the point of nato originally, of course, the post war goal of nato was to keep the russians, the soviet, from coming into western europe. IT was a bow work against the russians.

So if the russians actually join the alliance, that would suggest you have solved the problem and you can move on to do something constructive with your life. But we refused. And so, I mean, just meditate on that. Go sit the sona for now and think about what .

that means before sitting in the zona. A question, a question. Now, final conclusion. You think that flad mir porter is eager for a compromise, a compromise like yalta psychic o the altima empire receive agreement, any international agreement, to share power and to share influence in the world with the west. If there is somebody who is willing and by the administration, one tension once war want to exert pressure on him so that they can um weaken his economy and weaken his alliance with with china is this is what you are reaching from your conclusions.

My conclusions are in coward. I mean, I been talking about this for a years. I have a whole new set of data and all over and not a genius.

So it's going to take a while to figure out what I think. But at this stage, four days later, I would say for all yell sex picker or to the worst agreements ever struck. Um so hope whatever comes out of this is nothing like those.

But first things first, putin wants to get out of this war. He's not going to become more open to negotiation the longer this goes on. One of the things we've learned in the course of the last two years is that russia's industrial capacity is a lot more profound than we thought I was.

Russia had having an eat russia. This country, we were assured, was a gas station with nuclear weapons has a pretty easy time making missiles, rockets and artillery shells, whether nature doesn't so we should think about what that means. One to um the west doesn't spend any time or our policymakers and washers spend no time thinking about like what are the achievable goals here.

I have heard personally, U. S. Government officials say, well, we're just going to have to return crime, meet to ukraine well, you don't need to be a russia's charm that's not going to happen short of a nuclear word.

That's insane, actually. So even to say something like that reveals that you d you don't understand the area at all and you have no real sense of what possible. And so as long as our leaders, and not simply in the us, but nato, and I really mean germany, don't like take the time to learn about what's possibly we're not going to get anywhere.

You think that is a big gap between the depth of understanding the philosophy of history, between biden and between putin. You see putin who have studied history and who is very deep in history, and he looks like he gave you lectured in, and for thirty minutes, concerning the history of ukraine and its relationship with the mother, does, by then understand the law of action and reaction, which moves a county like russia.

I can't overstate how in capacity job iders this on an attack that is a fact, and anyone tells you otherwise this line. So these are not decisions provided, is making, but there are capable people on by, and I know them, what they lack is any perspective at all. So a conversation with a us.

Policymaker about the history of the region would begin in end with a conversation about, of course, chamblin and churchill and hitler period. So the american policymaker historical template is tiny, that in fact, there's only one. And at two year period in the way, like teen thirties, and everything is based on that understanding of history and human nature.

And that's insane. And so actually, american policymakers have convinced themselves that black putin is going to take over poland. And IT is not a defensive putin.

I don't mean to defend putin. I'm not a fair of putin and i'm not a subject putins. I'm in america.

However, there is no evidence that putin has any in expanding his boris. He is the largest country in the world and it's very hard to run. They don't need natural resources. There's nothing in poland he wants. There's nothing he will gain by taking poland other than more trouble that just saying he said, poland, you know, what you're talking about here is a point.

a point in the interview when you asked him, are you are you ready to to invade poland and he has in poland, he said only if poland launched a war, of course, on russia, okay, ukraine did not launch a war on russia and he invaded ukraine why you didn't follow up on this question?

I started with that question actually um but he treated me to thirty five minutes of Katherine the great okay and the rules but no the core questions why did he move his forces into easter ukraine and I watched this from a distance vantage in the united states and I watched the vice president dates commoner Harris go to the munich security conference just days before that in february of twenty twenty two and say in a public form any press conference to sillinesses the president, if you can, we want you to join nato which is another way of saying to sign him for we planned to put nuclear .

weapons on russia think .

this bit for shopping first they did. And everyone and IT just tells you how constipated and restricted and censored the U. S.

Media landscape is that I was the only one who said that what way is second, the purpose of diplomacy is to reach a peaceful, mutually, one hopes, beneficial al, conclusion to a crisis. So if you're showing up voluntarily, the muni e. Security conference and saying, hazel lensky, why don't you? Well, I was to put nuclear weapons on russia's border.

You're cruizing for a war because, you know, that's the red line. Because putin's said that any closing over the area only knows. Now.

do you have an explanation? Is reasonable explanation why there is this anti war and this very negative reMarks about this interview from a lot of your colleagues and a lot of politicians in the world.

One of the ways that I think i'm different is I don't like the internet and I haven't seen any of the reaction. And I would imagine i'm not the most popular person among my colleagues in the united states. I wouldn't have dinner with them anyway, so it's no great loss.

But I can't imagine what their motors would be. I didn't go to russia, of course, to promote vitamin putin. And if I, that was my purpose, I say so because i'm not embarrassed.

I went because I felt that most americans in whose named all of this is being done don't really know what's happening. And they know nothing about the guy they're supposedly a war with unofficially. And I just felt that my job, if I have a job in this world, is to bring information to people so they can decide.

And so I wanted to the longest interview I could with, let him, a putin that contained the most amount of vladimir putin talking, not me, grandstanding about what a great person I am when an american journalist to interview something like flatter and putin, the whole point of the interview is to say, i'm a good person and you're not. And that interview was aimed at his colleagues in the newsrooms in the united states, i'm a good person. Why is a bad person? You're committing genocide.

okay? That's not fruitful, and that's thrown out my role. I care what god thinks of me, what my wife thinks of me, what my four children think of me, and that's all I care about. So I don't need to prove that am a good person. I wanted a vata, a putin talk, so people in my country can assess what's happening.

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Okay, i'll tell you, you should chAllenge in in in the rules of an interview and your a master in your a new business. It's not for me to give you lecture about that, but you should chAllenge some ideas. For instance, you didn't talk about freedom of speech and russia. You did not talk about navoni, about assessing ation, about about the restrictions on the opposition in the coming elections. I didn't talk about the things .

that every other american media outlet talks about because .

those are covered and .

because I have spent my life talking to people who run countries in various countries have concluded the following that every leader kills people, including my leader. Every leader kills people. Some kill more than others.

Leadership requires killing people. Sorry, why I wouldn't to be a leader. That press restriction is universal in the next states. I know because i've lived IT asked my family, i've had a lot of jobs and i've done this for thirty four years, and I know how that works.

And there's more censorship in russia than there is in the united states, but there's a great deal in the next states. And so at a certain point, it's like people can decide whether they think what what countries they think are Better, what systems they think Better. I just wanted know what he thinks. That was the whole point.

I was very surprised about an unappropriate remark. I don't think IT is contains any of the, uh, what you can call john T. S.

Or nice is from, uh, mrs. Clinton when he mentioned phrase about you. I don't .

want to repeat my feeling.

Well, well, gentlemen, SHE called this gentleman, just honner's gentleman, that he is playing the role of a.

you say, I didn't see you, you didn't see the child. I don't listen to her. Has laya doing? No.

no, no. okay. SHE said the useful idiot. And and, and if you see the interview, that has nothing to do with this at all, he was trying to get A A testimony about the world as putin sees IT.

And this is exactly what we need to know how this man thinks. Either you consider him an enemy, or you considered him a friend, or you considered him a dictator. But you you should understand how demand things. Now you put IT Better .

than I could that you just .

describe my motive right there. okay. So now now the question is, if this is that, is that, as they say in the united states, and this is the the the power of media, and the way the media is becoming very based in a deep state like america, where are we going in the model of democracy in the world?

Media information in a free country is a counterbaLance against entrench power, and not just government power, but the economic power business IT was in my country constitutionally IT is IT is designed to be the service account baLance to that. So if sources of information media outlets a line with entrench power, then you have a powerless population and its teletext an and that is very quickly the direction the nine states stated.

And and I do think that technology abets this progression and machine learning especially. And so it's a parallel moment if if word democracy, purportedly and a prerecorded for democracy, is information so that the electricity can make its mind and decide who to choose. And so if you don't have access to information, you don't have democracy.

And we're in this sort of weird spiral where our leaders lecture ist ever more about democracy and how secreted is, even as they choke IT off, choke IT to death. And so I think the people who provide information, who bring the facts to the public, have a critical role to play. And right now, it's difficult. I'm not facing great. I don't need to cast myself as a hero and truly not a hero at all um but I do think it's tougher and tough fer to do that and that means we have a greater obligation to do IT.

So do you have an explanation till this moment since the gaza events took place, till now nobody came out and said, how on earth the united states of amErica is video wing? The stoppage of fire, how a country would be to not to continue war, how somebody is again is stopping a war.

The united states is, for this moment, is the most powerful country in the history of the world. So if you were to frame this in terms, were all familiar with which the most basic terms, the terms of the family, the states would be, debt, would be the father. And the father's sacred obligation is to protect his family and to restore peace within his walls. So if I come home, i'm fortunate if I come home from work and two my kids, you're fighting. What's the first thing I do even before I assess why they are fighting.

before I gathered the facts .

and know what's happening, finding? So if I come home and I have two kids fighting and I think, go, go put the crap out, I am evil because I violated the most basic duty of fatherhood, which, to bring peace, because I have the power on the only one who can bring peace.

And so if you see a nation with awesome power abetting war for its own sake, you have a leadership that has no moral authority that is a legitimate and I mean that too, and not i'm even referring any specific region or conflict. I mean generally, and i'm deeply offended by that deeply and and and something that I tried to express, and i'm often called a trade for saying that is the opposite. I say that because I believe in the united states, I think it's a moral IT has been immorally superior country.

And if we allow our leaders to use our power to spread destruction for its own sake, that is shameful. It's a binary, okay? It's it's a black and White. It's zero one to one you are either creating or you're destroying, you're improving or you're degrading. And that's how you know whether something is good or bad, where there's evil. If you just judge the fruits by its fruits, you will know IT and and i'm very distressed and concerned that we are entering an era where this awesome force for good is instead being used for evil.

Two quick questions, because I ran out of time. First question is, now in the american elections, we have probabilities. Either it's biden and trump or biden and somebody else, not tramp or no biden and no tramp and circumstances or faith get us two different people representing a republican or democrats.

What do you think? Where are we going to reach coming ninety s of november? Who will be running the show?

I have an honor. I have a definition idea. And but I think there's volatility ahead in our political sphere when clearly there is because I like you.

when you said I don't have idea, you you have this courage of to say that you don't know you were telling me this morning that what one of the things which you like very much about here, our our president chick and benz got bless him when you ask a question if he doesn't have an answer to them, actually, I don't know the answer of this question.

I've never heard a leader of anything, whether it's a country or a company or a socket team, ever in my life, in a life spent interviewing people. I've never heard a single one of them say I don't know. The answers is very complicated to have been figured out.

I've never heard anybody say that to me. That is this the pure sign of wisdom? Because wisdom grows from humility. Wisdom grows from the recognition that you are not god.

And in the united states, we had a period where we were sort of, you know, having this debate about are some religions good and some religions bad? I'll tell you my view, and it's a harden view. It's a sincere of view.

I divide the world, not between muslim, june, Christian or buddy. I divide the world between people who believe they are god and people who know they're not. And the only people I trust are in the second category, because that is the beginning of wisdom. When you know you are not god, that you cannot affect every change that you want, you can proceed the future that you're not omnipresent, then you are much more likely to make good decisions, wise human decisions. By contrast, when you believe you have the power to shape the world and other people, as we were hearing this morning through, you know, biohacking, when you think you can create a Better human being through technology, you're very dangerous because you don't understand your own limits, and you will get a lot of people killed when you when you have those false beliefs. In my .

opening by by this note, mr. Coulson, thank you very much for giving us this chance to come for the first time of real great interview to talk to the world through this podium and this country and my humble set. Thank you.

So thank you for having me.