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What Illness Can Teach Us About Uncertainty - Jonathan Gluck on his new memoir about cancer and coming to terms with not knowing

2025/6/16
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Megan Down: 作为主持人,我介绍了Jonathan Gluck的新书,并概述了访谈的主要内容。我强调了人们对不确定性的厌恶,以及Gluck先生如何与疾病和不确定性共存。我提到他的回忆录探讨了疾病如何影响他的生活,包括健康、婚姻和人际关系。此外,我还提到了我和Gluck先生都曾在媒体行业工作过,并经历过职业上的不确定性。 Jonathan Gluck: 我分享了自己被诊断出多发性骨髓瘤的经历,以及这个诊断如何彻底改变了我的生活。我描述了最初的症状,以及如何因为忙碌而延误了就医。我讲述了得知自己患有癌症时的震惊和难以置信,以及我如何逐步地将这个消息告诉我的妻子和其他亲人。我强调了在面对不确定性时,寻求专业帮助的重要性,以及如何通过与治疗师的对话来稳定情绪。

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In his new memoir, An Exercise In Uncertainty, journalist and editor Jonathan Gluck chronicles more than 20 years of living with multiple myeloma, an incurable but treatable cancer. He joined me to talk about how he’s coped with illness, why he chose this moment to write about it, and, most importantly, how he’s learned to deal with a condition all of us face to one degree or another: uncertainty.

Jon explains the concept of “predemption”—a mindset that’s helped him find something positive, even in the toughest moments—and describes the invisible aspects of cancer, how it affected family dynamics, and the honest conversations he’s had with his kids about his condition. He reflects on the strain illness can have on relationships, especially marriage, and how fly fishing became a crucial form of therapy and connection.

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Jonathan Gluck is a writer and editor whose work has appeared in The New York Times and The Washington Post. He was deputy editor of New York magazine for ten years, after which he worked as managing editor of Vogue. His work has been recognized with multiple National Magazine Awards.

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HOUSEKEEPING

📖 Order my new book, The Catastrophe Hour: Selected Essays, on Amazon) or directly from the publisher here).

📘 The Catastrophe Hour book club for yearly paying subscribers starts June 11 and will run for 14 consecutive Wednesdays, 3-4 pm ET. We will meet on Zoom.

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Stuff to read and listen to:

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Recent(ish) solo episodes :

  • January 9: The First 24 Hours)
  • January 16: The Immaterial World)
  • January 27: Housing Wars)
  • February 5: Remembrance Of Things Past)
  • February 13: What Is A "Catastrophe?")
  • March 2: A Mental Infection)
  • March 31: Dignity Is Out Of Style)

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✈️ The Unspeakeasy’s 2025 retreat) season is underway. It includes a just-announced COED retreat with more attendees and multiple speakers. October 11-12 in New York City. Programming and ticketing info here).