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We're going to to IT. We're going to get I we're going to explain that idea in detail. IT is very good. IT is also just a tiny little of the moment that we live in.

Now what if we didn't think this through and then spent twenty seven million dollars anyway and then blamed everyone else? It's it's all right there. I'm not going to tell you yet. It's all right there. I'm a friend like David pierce here.

Hi, I I also very much enjoy that. Sorry, I I was putting together the run down for today and one of the nice things about putting together the rundown on as I get to just decide in the late round what I want and I put my name next to the involved with great enthusiasm and IT is one of the things I love the thing that a metaphor for something ah you don't know what .

but IT is for sure a metaphor yeah like a vibes of four yeah .

that's really good.

Yeah that's that's great. It's just like this story is the correct vive for this moment. Alex, crimes is here.

Yeah, I don't know a house, but if I did IT ouldn't be that one for a variety of reasons.

There's a lot talk about the apple beta came out this week. We've got a what David is calling and is this anything gadget benza and then we get the living round unsponsored at this point, someone just not going to called unsponsored and that but we should start with what is usually the biggest story in the world, uh, which is the attempted assassination of zal trump and then the r ncc in which trump was nominated and announced the events as his running man is the vice present ceremony.

I want to find a lot of time on this IT feels important to talk about IT is the bigger story in the world, and there are a lots of verge stories in the story. For example, I think as we learn more about the would be assessing who was twenty years old, he feels likely as digital footprint. Well, we're real a bunch.

And that means things like hacking his phone were immediately important. We've talked a lot about cops trn hatfuls on the show and on the virtual of ears, and they got into IT almost immediately. And that's because they've just got good at IT.

The F, R. Isn't running to apple test. Them would break the phone up in.

So is that sort of stuff happening? Is that investigation goes forward more immediately? Important in the context of the verge and the archest is what happened to the social networks.

Afterwards, we talked a lot about content moderation on the show, and whether not social networks have a duty to the truth, but because I work is famished ly that he doesn't want to be the arbitration th and set up a weird fake supreme court for content moderation on facebook platforms. We are the place now where they appeared to have given up, right, like you would put COVID. It's of the high point of content, moderation, controversies and discussion and interest from the platforms.

maybe not in terms of success, but certainly in terms of volume. Like IT, IT was the moment everyone was most aggressively like all that one way or another.

Uh, and whether you know are you going to amplify the seriously theories? There is just a lot there that has resulted in major lawsuits. And one of them just sit the spring court, the spring wards said. Now the government lowed to talk to the social networks like all of that had happened and IT feels like it's in the past and we've been sort of talking about IT. But then the shooting happened. And you just saw in real time the social networks, twitter to x, whatever it's told, threads, they were good at IT for one second, they were like, this thing happened and here's video of IT and here's some photos of IT and here's everyone just reacting to IT for what one second you could verify that a thing that happened. And they were ahead of the major news networks, which are very, very cautious in breaking news events that so if you just wanted a shot of pure gentleman.

they would give IT to you. But this is actually an an unusually perfect case in that sense because you had, uh, uh, a televised event right like that. He's he's on stage talking as all this is happening, like the person this is happening to is right there in front of the camera, you have what turned out to be some like truly historic photographers out there working, taking shots that ended up being really important, really quickly.

And that's what gets uploaded fast than ever. So we had this lake primary source material faster and more, sort of remarkably than almost anything I can ever remember. Like the speed with which what you would call, like the photo of the things started voting around the internet was just unbelievable to me.

Like seconds. yeah.

And just was there and then you saw this sort of like weird everyone quoting the like CNN or near times. So that was more cautious than the rush to judgment on the social that works in me. Like why this is like the big networks and cautious the rigor is the point.

And like there's a gap here and that gap has only gotten wider, which is utterly faster to me. There is no attempt to moderate pictures of a shooting like a guy got shot and there's pictures of IT everywhere. And there is no time to moderate IT on top of that.

There is just I an an explosion of conspiracy theories from everyone. Everyone is a conspiracy theory right now. And they're all just like flooding onto these platforms, particularly x and there's no attempt to slow down or fact I could or anything with that.

And you can just see like oh, that the nab gut turned. We're just not do in content moderation like we don't care about this. We're going to do the really bad stuff.

You talk to people who are still working the history, right? They're gonna continue to not they're going to continue working against child sexual views material, or just like an object. Pornography and platforms was to have IT.

They forever, ever. Copyright infringing will be everything the platforms care about, but this, they're just like over IT, right? The idea that harmful information can spread on social networks and the the platforms of any responsibility, it's gone.

I I think this one's a marker and IT feels like a real marker to make that. That's where the information environment is now. And for all those of something about like AI or slow fake photos, yet all happened immediately, you have this event and nothing happened.

You know, I think a lot about in these events now is the the sort of public turn mark rockburg made over the last several years where he went from being the guy who was talking really, honestly about how hard meta and facebook in particular was trying with content moderation ah and saying things true things like the reason we get so much crap for this is because were the ones trying the hardest and the most transparently like I think that's basically true and even he eventually was just like, you know this is actually not worth that like all i'm doing is setting myself up to get yelled that i'm going to go back to posting about new what APP features and cools off in the metaverse and i'm going to go back tween the product guy and nick clerk who nobody cares about, gets to be the one who talks about content moderation.

And I think that is to me is so indicative of how we've gotten to this place of like it's somewhere between like resignation and nalty m where there is a sense that this isn't going to get Better. So why even try and what is Better even look like? Because no one agrees on what it's supposed to be anymore. So IT just feels at some way the only like rational thing to do is just throw up your hands, if you like, you know, whatever you guys do, whatever you want. I'm out and really, really feels like that's where everyone has landed.

Yeah it's a value proposition, right? There is no value in in content moderation from at this point and in maintaining that theatre of content moderation, the value has is just vastly diminished over the last few years. Okay, I don't need to do IT anymore.

I can move on to other stuff. And we seen them a lot of things, a lot of these kind of theatrical moments, particular and big tech, where they are like, oh yeah, we you know, we care about being good. We care about doing all these things.

They no longer have to. They realized that actually doesn't not them as much as they need IT. I thought IT would, and so they've just cuticles never run.

Yeah, it's just fasten to me the immediate reaction, right? When is like, turn down the rhetoric, be good to each other. Were all americans. And then a day later, all of the social platforms are flooded with conspiracy theory.

My favorite one is the shooter was in a video that was an ad for black rock, which is a prospective company that is an investor in, like, gun companies, and they did something in the school, and he was like in the background of the video they did about the teacher at the school. And see, now there's a blackrock conservatory theory, okay? And it's like even that is like fine and fine.

You should be able to process social whatever you want to have some what IT is like idea. But you look at twitter, it's like because of the volume and because twitter has driven away so many other wise same people or x is driven away some other. It's just like sort of conventional right? And h this is the stuff that actually poisoned the discourse, right? This is a thing that actually makes IT harder to bring people together and actually creates the social division.

And the platforms are basically given up. Ah you can see IT on tiktok and IT a very different way, right? It's just people go in each other all day about this and like insisting that one side that that has out each other and the platforms have basically given up trying to stop IT.

And I there's it's election here. It's bound ary polarize. But that's to me that's the big verge story.

Here is there was a moment several years ago when the platform is really wanted to to I create healthy conversations that I was twitters metric. Another over IT like met as like threads is a place for conversations. And what that amounts to is people's just asking questions.

Where they appear by idiots of people will help them for engagement all day long. Every people, like three open threads, and like every third post of someone's, like, I just took a bite of an orange that taking the peel off. Do you know that that's bad? Truly.

what are you talking? I posted on threats the other day that amazon is a terrible website because I was on as a terrible website and I had a bunch of people accuse me of engagement bit for IT, which I really enjoyed. It's the first seven a while I ve IT .

accused engaged is the first platform that has completely to send tivy people from asking questions because you no matter what you seem like your tracing cloud.

it's very good. It's good. So but no, I think to to your point about the lake matching all of that sort of giving up on content moderation with the fact that what like the FBI does immediately is try to get into the shooters phone is like it's both getting worse and higher sticks all the time, right?

And so much of what we have been seen over the last few days is a like discord released a statement that the shooter had a discord account like that. That is news that he was on discord. And there there's been this weird back and forth on whether there was some kind of flake, not manifesto, but like hinted to what was coming on a steam account that seems like IT was and IT wasn't. And so we're in this place where it's like this stuff matters more than ever as they try to figure out what happened and yet the ability to figure out what is actually going on feels like it's getting further and further away for us.

Yeah and especially if you're just a Normal person who's just opening APP on the phone, right? yes. So that's that we're going to cover a lot of that um IT IT seems important.

I'll give you one other example, which is just a very new example. These photos who were talking about those photos were taken by professional togethers who are in the pitt to get paid to do a job with very sense of cameras. People are are arguing with the settings for the cameras, which very nearly a thing to do in mind.

Those photos are owned that the other copy the images, one of them. So by the neurotics ap um there everywhere there's a straight copyright infringing. All that merges seeing the hat to the photos on them to straight forward.

Copyright 1， the photo agencies in the times, all those other, they're going to have to issue a bunch to take them. We went to ask them, and basically all them, like we are evaluating our options. Weird, weird, like that photo feels like I immediately belongs to the world, right? But IT super dozen.

Well, in in part IT feels that way because all of these other machines move so much faster than the lawyers for those new's organizations, right? Like the the ecs popular page was filled with that kind of merchant ate are talking about, like amazon has a thing that you can print on demand, like literally all you was upload a photo to amazon and boom or selling merge like IT IT is crazy. How is how quickly that stuff is able to happen now and it's happening faster in every of her part of the system then like within these organizations that are actually trying to figure out what to do about IT. And so they all figure, you know, i'm going to go, i'm going to make my money, i'm going to show my t shirts and i'm going to get out before anybody else has even, like, figured out what for.

And I would just wrap this, that we sent a lot of time talking A I. And boy, do I get emails when we talk about A I, and hint even a little bit that I might be useful, interesting, right, that it's stealing work, that it's stealing creativity. If you have those feelings about the air companies, and you can, and should I don't, I want start huddy feel about someone whose job IT is to stand in the place we might get shot at.

Take some of the most assert photos in the world and immediately watched that stuff got stolen by very opportunities merch vendors on amazon. Is that bad? Like maybe, but I don't think anybody has the same immediate reaction to IT the way that I know it's you we talk about to like there's something there that's weird.

We send a lot of time. I am a cover is the only functional regulation because it's effect vely. A speech regulation and you're about to see IT used is in a way that feels very much legacy regulation. You wants to sell a hat with this photo on IT some photo agencies going to come and tell you that you can't.

And like we reckoning with that is is right next to the content moderation question because all people are onna lose their minds so they feel like I photo belongs to the world or those photos want to know lots of other stories there. I'm confident. And we can you remember the separate d fery picture of obama? We covered the copyright case around that a for like ten years.

We did for six months ago. It's gonna be that again. Yes, I just like, what does that mean, uh, for these images to exist on the internet in the way they do, and who gets to who gets to make money on them is like kind of one question.

And the second question is like, that is content moderation. And the content moderation APP arai s our information environment is it's an thing is alex was saying like in a pretty nalini space, yeah you have to make sure there's not the worst thing. Be clear that bar it's like a free fall. P so that is that event immediately there after, uh, the republic national connection this week. Uh, IT was not a quiet week for projects amErica .

written has cove IT. It's like .

chill times all around. Yeah not a quiet week by an the only news and see is worth talking about is trump picked jd van center from ohio. Is his a running man, his vice presidential nominee? And then a million people in tech came out in supported trump, the mask, uh the and recent and horrible ds partners mark and reaction and horses just like down every cypher bro you can take of is project they love jd events who was a venture capitalist, took a lot of money from p ter til over the years.

There's just a reactionary right wing crypto bro situation there there IT is we will cover IT more, I don't know, but what I want to make sure we do some like reporting on IT yeah but j events are really interesting character and I I don't mean that in the lake you should read his block which is bad. I mean that in the um is so good and the movies worth um I mean that in the the malabo of his position is really interesting. His relationship to the power of big tech is interesting.

He was just at a conference that uh our learn final was at called remedy fest where he said, I think leana hans doing a good job. Why does he think lan kon is doing good job? Because he thinks they should break up google.

What is you want to break up google so you can push weird right in conservation in the interview like you you start, uh, we agree and you like drill down and it's like, oh the the flow of information is not going away that some of these people want. So we will use the power of the state to like break these companies up and you just like end up and this is like total horsey theory, strange bed follows moment. So we're going to cover a lot of that. I'm just warning the her chest list like it's coming because it's so it's so much there are so much weird mark injuries and Peter tio crypto tech money now involved in this presidential election that is impossible for us not cover because Peter .

til families stayed out of the last one right?

yeah. Well, I mean, he said.

said IT, yeah, yeah.

It's a control, right? Just, you know, I like a cranky jan. actually.

Imagine how I feel about this entire situation. But here IT is, anyway, I C, T. Venus.

They're out. They're here out. No, David has been checking up onto a melt. Like David, you you risk your phone. You you took the hit for the rest of us.

Yeah, I started with the ipad because I was like, that safe. It's just an ipad. I have thousands of them.

Work could possibly go wrong and now somehow i'm running ipad O S eighteen IOS eighteen, macos zoia uh and the new T V O S like how is how is this my life? Everything is broken. My batteries have just absolutely gone to hell. Um but I guess to use the whole new stuff, it's it's fine, it's a treat. I say the single most important thing that has happened to me in my technology life this year, i'm not exaggerating, is having rcs on the iphone.

Um well, it's like saving .

your merit literally. My my wife uses an android phone. She's a pixel brow for the life a and steadfastly refuses to understand that when he sends me a video IT IT looks like a potato every single time.

So like what what happened is that the woman who runs our daycare will send anna a adorable video of my child and annable forward to me. And I literally can't see IT because it's just eight pixel stacked that sort of looks like black hair, like that's just all of IT. But now I have R C.

S. The photos are big. The videos are big. Like IT works correctly.

I I don't have to like make every make her send me google photos links anymore. It's the best. And it's like a little monkey and IT falls back to S.

M. S. Too often. It's getting Better as time goes on. I think like the networks in the Carriers are all kind of figuring that out. But rcs on an iphone, like huge win.

And to all the people who have been in my mentions ons telling me like how you silly americans, we will use what APP first of all, congratulations. Like I don't know to tell you, great up. Second of all, making people switch messaging apps is impossible.

I don't care what messaging APP you use. Try your best to get all your friends and family to use a different one. Try best of luck.

It's not gonna no matter what IT is that you use. And so for us here in the good goal, U. S, A, A, we're stuck with text metric. So anything that makes text messaging slightly Better? Humongous Victory.

I'm excited for this trip without wide in, for people tired. I'm excited to see if when rcs roles that wide with l teen, if the Green bubbles stigma reduces.

yes, I actually think it's going to I really do. I do because the the the main things that IT improves are what I haven't done is is like really stressed test group chats with this. So that is like the main problem, right? So i'll have to see how that is.

But uh, the ability to get reseats and the ability to send high rise images and videos and the typing indicators, those are like the three things that immediately my messaging system with my wife got Better. Also, the tap backs work a little Better. But now that you can use any emerging, it's still kind of walking on the android side.

Uh, because if you'd use one that IT doesn't recognize, you just punt IT through as a text message. Uh, but I it's like it's not all the way Better and there's all the new imessage stuff like animations and the text decorations on that, that you can do that you still can't do in android, but it's much closer. And I think it's like it's not going to get all the way Better, but I think it's going to get a little Better.

Is this going to work in messages on a mac?

Yes, I have been rcs from my mac, but only because just for tear found.

just break as often as like I feel like we're just text messaging IT breaks .

all the time IT IT was actually worse at first, uh, like when I first downloaded all the bas IT was really slow and was occasionally just fAiling to send messages at all. But in the last I was a week, it's been super stable. Um so I I have high hopes for where this is gonna, but I was definitely walking at first.

There's we would have to do endless follow up once this hits wide and people like .

IT yeah even tried the .

phone barring on the mac to that seems amazing.

IT is IT is in IT like IT is because IT works right. It's like it's like continue camera in the sense like IT just IT just mostly does the thing and everyone's a while. IT doesn't for some indeterminable reason.

Uh, like leon or producer, we are going to all the other day and he, just for the whole call, couldn't get new with the camera to work. And then like the next time you tried to works and phone mirrors a little like that. But the biggest problem is you can change the size of the window.

So if you're on a laptop screen, IT shows up like relatively close to kind of real size of your iphone, which do you think is what they are going for? But if you're on a big, densely pixel display, IT was a tiny, tiny, a twenty seven inch screen here. And the iphone on my screen is like half the size of my actual iphone and there's nothing I can do about .

IT and adjusts me that that is great. I'm sorry that's that's great. Like I know that's like a beta bug like they have to know and i'll do something just resize .

the window we solved that is such a stage manager problem where they like, what if we give you a new way to do with? And I know, let me dragged the corner of my window to make IT bigger. This is not complicated.

It's very good. Does IT you don't have a touch grand max that does not like do if .

you have the magic mouse or the magic track pad, it's great. It's just like maps, all the gestures the same way you wipe the new growl and everything else uh on A I use a larger tech mouse and it's basically unusable. You you like click on the bar at the bottom to go to the home screen.

Some things will score, some things don't score. You score left and right like so on instagram, if there's a gallery, I just can't do IT. Uh, I think some of these things will probably get Better over time.

I also think apple it's it's really it's I gone a laptop is solid, right? Because you have to track pty of the gestures, fine, but apple is just not interested in you if you don't use exclusively apple car. And so I think this is like for for all of us larger tech fans out there. This is gonna problems yeah.

But to say this, this is kind of common for all apple integrations on the computer. You're just like, okay, cool. I can't do any of this unless I buy a magic track pad and then I have to use that instead of a really good mouse. And I want to .

pretty much I hate the magic track pad like I know there are a lot of people out there who really like IT. I hate IT yes, like I get the idea of IT, but because it's so far away from the screen, it's so divorced from what actually going on that IT feels like it's trying way too hard and IT just IT feels bad at the angle my hands around all .

that I hate IT no I I can't stand IT. That's why you used a trackball because the trackball you can sometimes said like a key so you can still get a lot of the gestures and by like hitting a key and ball, but with the regular baLance, you just like, well, I guess I don't, I don't horizon squirrel ever again.

Cool kid, do IT about.

I can't want to try this with a tiny little phone monkey with the mouse.

Just truly for me. I suspect there are going to be a lots of little things people do with IT. Like for me, like the one I read about the story, is my thermo SAT only works as a mobile APP. So just being a little like fire that up from my laptop is really handy without getting my phone out of my bag or whatever. Uh, but truly, for me it's just gona be a way to drag and drop things from my computer to my phone. Advice for a lake IT just solve the airplane problem of I have a photo here and I needed to be over here and it's it's easier and faster and that features is not out yet but it's apparently coming ah and just as a drag and drop machine and i'm very .

excited about IT yeah you got IT at homburg did a little red pie that just bridges your thermostat and the .

you will be great. Then you get home assistance to also be a bridge into home kit.

But we can do this that, alex.

I are a lock .

for my front door that I .

can open with my finger print. And even that end is like, no, that's what keys are print. She's not wrong. Keys are great.

Like house. So lugg on IT just like getting my house.

Once you get to, you can unlock the store by beeping your phone at IT. Then the flip is my wife is like, I don't never want to see again. I I don't never want to see a key again in my life, don't you dare?

We need .

Becky and .

ana to hang out, can we? We make the.

we are test striving in a river in. So next we going to go ter, it's to see a rival or discrimination. And so we had a rival, the test strive, and they don't give us the keys revision do come with a regular key up, but they just gave us the cards and I showed them to as like, these are the .

keys .

and she's like.

not I no thanks. So is like I don't want to know anything about that at all, like zero percent interest in your dumb key cards. Um we want to tell you about the biggest the biggest thing in the beta, which is the calculator in the .

ipad that .

is IT mean when I think a wwdc like what do they announce some bullshit and then a do that .

basically right change .

your life is IT like the whole new world?

No, I I can think I am slightly disapointment.

The hall you haven't been doing like like high school algebra this time.

So I think apple IT really thinks that if you're like a graduate student studying mathematics， that you're going to love this. And I think apple also thinks there's like tens of millions of those people in the world, and they're wrong count。 But the weird thing is, so like the calculator, APP is fine, right? It's a calculate APP.

And I think it's so funny that apple is like we wanted to really take the time to get this right. It's like, no, do you ship the calculator APP? And then you also so made another feature like you couldn't just ship the calculator APP.

It's just the calculator APP with bigger buttons. I I don't know how to be clear about that what IT is, but the cool thing is, is math note, it's right and it's like that is both. It's the thing inside of notes where you can you can hand right stuff and it'll do the equation for you and nothing is incredible when IT works, which is a lot, but also missing some sort of iba saffir.

You write a list of numbers and then you draw line the underneath and little automatically some those numbers up for you, right? And then you can actually tap on one of the numbers and and drag a slider to make the number go up and down. Super cool.

And IT attempts to do IT in your handwriting, which failed spectacularly for me. But I think that's just because my handwriting is so bad, like border line unreadable. I've talked with other people with pretty good handwriting and they've said that works much Better.

So your my log, I think will vary depending on your handwriting, but there's just little thing. So right? So like one of the use cases, i've heard a bunches like your totally up expenses for a weekend, right? I'm in the midst of planning vacation.

We're trying to like total how much thing is going to cost, write a bunch of numbers down. It'll total the them all up for you. But then if you go next to IT and you write like food coin next to the u two hundred and twenty five years, the whole thing falls part.

I just like doesn't understand what your equation is anymore and I won't total anything up for you. So it's like you have you have to Operate under these very like specific confines of what IT understands s as an equation and it's awesome. And as long as you do that, so this is what I mean by that graduate math, right? Like you're sitting, they're doing math problems as math problems. It's awesome and IT works really well. But if you're like a person taking notes and you want to do math inside of them, IT doesn't work quite as well that make sense.

So it's like just kids who have homework.

It's for doing that. Like that really is what IT is. What I want you to be is like do the math inside of my notes as I take notes. And IT is not for that, it's for doing math problems.

Do you think that the ipad pro is now going to become to like mathematicians and scientists, what the ipad mini was to pilots?

I need, I need to write this story. I am so convinced that this pilot thing is a lie. And I have no evidence for this, but i'm so sure that like three delta pilots got ipad mini and what was like, yes, this is IT on my fly.

They're still bringing on brief cases full of paper work. Like if this got replaced by ipad, I don't know where he is, but anyway, all that is that I do think apple really, really, really, really wants the ipad to be an education device. Like I think the way that A A whole generation grew up with max in the classroom and basically the generations recently have grown up a chrome box.

Apple is like desperate for that thing to be ipads. And I think that sees the pencil in particular as a way to get there. Uh, I don't necessarily know if it's going to work. I'm also not the target demo, so I don't know. But like it's very clear that, that is like even even going back and looking at the demos that they're doing really sophisticated math like not the kind of thing that a Normal person does in their data day life. And I think for sophisticate itself, IT IT works Better than for just like trying to make sense of my notes.

I'm gonna ss texas instruments. When the t eighty three gets killed by the ipad pro.

there's a store in my little town. I'm not sure if they make any money selling anything out of in t eighty three to ice scholars, but they just have a wall t eighty three es and then all high schools ers in town go to that store to buy their eighty three. It's just so confusing. The whole thing is confusing to me, especially because when I was in high school twenty years ago, we were using.

it's yeah twenty .

five years ago.

we had the most endorsing technology like the last two decades.

I feel like IT is.

Here's what I learned about the T, I, eighty two. The eighty three is different. The case of A, T, I T two, the shell was exactly the right size to fit a game boy pocket. So you could just slide a game boy pocket up in that shell. Uh, and the thing that we had to figure out was how to hide the sound, the game, you know, dating your .

teachers like cash is really doing of calculations .

yeah .

just fully playing game, boy.

He is math and so hard, his parents are going .

to so proud but the problem he had to turn on before before you walked in because you can't shut off the start of people .

became yeah think um it's .

definitely I called least once. Two other apple lings once I like one very funny apple has partner red with tubular to put ads and apple news. You don't know what to do that is except you obviously do.

It's the trump x provider on every website in the world, including our own. We don't we don't like IT, uh, but we don't work free. So there's some to boost ads at the bottom of pages. They make our company some money and then they paid bills.

It's famously the belly fat ads, right? Like for years because that was who .

was serving the belly at and we've read stories about the belly fat S I I think was kent Tiffany read story for us that chased all the way down. What the one weird vegetable.

I'm no way it's going.

Uh it's nonsensical. All bad。 But apple doesn't want to do ads.

They had a partnership of N, B, C. To sell ads and apple news IT didn't work. I don't think they got the scale.

And now they had this partner ship to bulla. And it's like what what kind of are going to seeing apple is now. And then you look in to bula is actually a huge company, massive company because just the garbage across the entire web.

And we did to bullet by our brain the other trump box provider or was IT vice versa?

I know IT didn't happen. I got break up broken.

Oh, IT was IT was so big IT wasn't aloud. yeah.

The ftc said, no only we must have competition of the champ x industry.

I can't believe we didn't do features on chop box warfare.

Got anyhow a very bad one of the least one of least on brand deals and apple history. Uh, and I think we're going, I think going to keep IT because what you going to do, I think apples what going to do phase of this would they were just like that, whatever is money, what we would you going to do? You going to go somewhere else? You do not read apple news, publishers are you're going to respond to chm boxes and apple will look at your sites. And I I think that you take the money, there's no way that unless it's like aggregate sly bad, which would look could be aggravated about just a weird deal for them already like people reacted to IT so negatively and I don't think we give a shit.

Yes, I is a step .

of being a content creator, right? Like like they're in the the industry of content now in a way they haven't been for a long time. And this is just like finalizing the form for that.

Yeah just say if you think about apples pitch to everyone.

this is not IT. This is like it's .

really experience. It's this is trusted publisher s it's not just garbage in an an order to bullet yeah I mean.

this is what this is what and lesser chasing services revenue eventually leads you to, right? Like IT just IT just gets ugar and uglier as time goes on because you have to keep finding ways to turn pennies into dollars and turn three things, independence and it's it's socks and like this is going to go in the news APP it's going to go in the stocks APP like apple has gotten slowly sort of frog boiling ly aggressive about advertising all over yes. And uh, this just feels like IT feels like it's about this will not be the last thing we see from apple with ugly ads I don't think but .

but don't worry, David, because in just seven days youtube can lose seven inches of the island.

But not if you eat corn.

stay away .

from corn. You why don't we hawk supplements? We could be doing the show on a boat and the other piece of abilities, much more. I don't think we're ever going to hog supplements, but you know that I want to boat, but there's there's a line and that IT the lighting round remains on sponsor. I just want .

to buy me a boat called supplements. So that pretty funny and I will.

That still on the table, let's still on the table.

And there is one what last piece family is resting is really interesting and sort of like in a ten gentle way related which is the sort of competitive pressure put on the APP store by the D M. A in the E. U.

And by emulators means that apple has now approved the first like nineties PC emulator for IOS. So IT can is is U T M sc IT can run windows XP and looks like windows XP mac in linux if you want to run the next on here phone, uh, which I think he do. Uh, this was they rejected IT IT was gonna go into all store and an apple approved IT. And you can see just that competitive dynamic occurring where they do not want the other store to be good. So they are loosening the rules of their own store over and over again in that competition is working.

IT rules. I think that was rightly test that who who run old store and does delta and has spent on the show a couple of times. I think that was him that posted basically IT. Turns out the best way to get you up under the APP stores is to threaten to be on all store.

That's exactly yeah, he did.

It's true like IT is IT is real that like any IT is increasingly ly clear that if you wanted get something onto an iphone there are going to be other ways to do IT an apple is so desperate to keep you in the apps that bend its rules in any direction that has to to keep there.

I believe I owe somebody some money because I said on this show not that long ago, I would be shocked if we got a full PC emulator, uh, because apple's rules have been very clear that IT is IT is like, it's for retrod games, right? Like that was clearly what apple wanted these things to be for. So this strikes me as yet another goal post move that I didn't even expect for what apple will allow is IT.

Is IT a PC emulated? It's it's XP.

So U, T, M will let you emulate all the way up through windows eleven. So I, I, I have not tried IT in the APP.

so I don't actually I was try out that I would two hours to install IT. Yeah.

these things are not easy. But like you can emulate an x ty six PC. Like I think with some work, there's probably a lot more you can do here than gets credit for. Also, you could emulate XP and then emulate a windows eleven computer with an emulator on windows XP just turns all the way.

Yes, hello, yes.

So I think is so is a reason they're not wanted like general purpose computer emulators, because they don't want people to run APP of them, right? Like that. It's a big complicated loops, but it's a looper, right? You put a general purpose PC emulator on the phone, and then anyone can just run whatever software they want without paying apple thirty percent, not a looper that apple allow. Now theyve allowed IT.

And what's fast into you, this is like maybe on the phone, this isn't such a video because whatever fun and ipad but in macos nine or even windows XP is like, wait, this is a rule but is that I didn't a lot of work in makos and I like many things, happened in my life in the context of macos, not the yeah, i'll just run back west night. All the IT has Better multi tasking. The ipad does today yeah that's real.

More customization too.

Yeah the absolute .

just quit in the background on you all the time. And uh, windows XP actually IT has technically more advanced multitasking. The macos nine.

So it's just like you just like find yourself running in the circuit. Wait is a window management and multitask of an emulated Operating system from twenty years ago. Is that a Better ipad X?

I mean, that honestly might be get we're going to get to the point where you can emulate a mac on your iphone and then mr. Your to that mac that's being imitated on your iphone and then use that phone.

God, I so that's the dream.

I want to use my phone three levels team on my phone that's i'm going for.

I think you just invinted atri .

s the real thing ruled IT did not I did not anyway those. I'm very excited for this emulation scene in particular to hit the ipad because this is the thing that apple feared. And if you get to a place where it's just like easy works, like push a button and turn your ipad into a windows PC and people start doing IT, that's the thing that makes apple take ipad multiple.

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I am back with what David has called the, is this anything? Gaia benza David? What does .

that mean exactly? So one of my favorite kinds of gadgets is when somebody makes something and then just have hands at you. And like, is this, did I do anything here? Like, is this something do you like this? Did as did this solve any problems for you? And this week was an unusually good week for, is this anything gadgets? Uh, and I mostly mean that is a compliment.

I love gadgets that, like, I have a weird new idea that the future, let's see if that works that is like the verge is built on those gadgets. We love that self. Uh but this is an unusually weird week of is this anything gadgets? Uh but first the first one of them um it's good that we're running over already because we have a real was a photo apocalypse to talk about here uh which I I U U came in role hot about this before we just started record s we should just talk about this. There are these new can and cameras ah that have a lot of AI things that have made you feel .

a lot of feelings yeah OK. So there's an u can in yes, r one and r five mart. And there are some of first cameras, especially pro cameras like this from brand like this. They just have A I features in them and the air features are fine, but I they're fine.

They have uh no interaction that gets you two more stops so you can on the ice so a little bit hotter than our instructions is good um that's AI powered and then they have four hundred percent image up scaling, which has been in this. So if you just think about IT, they've got a sensor in them. Why hits the sensor that makes the image? The sensor is usually IT determines the size, the image. Now the cameras can just make you an image its four times bigger.

You just how very big you want me to do and it's .

just in the camera. And IT is based on the fact that the camera knows everything about the light hitting the sensor. IT knows the lens you're using IT knows the settings are at. And so you know that argument is there A I upscaling will will be Better in camera because it's all one close ecosystem. Then if you take IT out to one of the many, many, many software up, up scales that exist in work, weird, right? Weird to have the camera itself generate pixel that weren't there.

I mean, this is this. We've been talking about the smart phones for like two years now, right? And we're now at a point where this feels like it's about to become unavoidable. And there was a thing where was like, okay, the like last bastion of photos, photographic honesty, is going to be these like fancy high and cameras, uh, and even that is going away break really, really fast.

I just so surprised IT cannon doing IT and not like SONY or or pana asonis or anybody else who's been in the mere less game.

This does seem like a panos onic move. They're like two one of cameras now yeah yeah.

Like like olympic, like these companies have all been here doing mirror less cameras for a lot longer than canon and and messing with that computational photography a lot longer than canada can I was like, nope, we're doing that now.

Yeah.

exactly how can in talks, by the way.

I agree.

is their yelling.

Ah, so it's monkey. You ve got to use some cannon menus. The cameras should only do with pictures that they taken themselves. Oddly, the upscaling only works with JPEG s in H F, in case you are sort of monster shooting heaps. And I think that's an .

intention choice that they're like. We have to preserve the sanctity of the raw file, but we can start to do weird or stuff with some of these other things.

We are can is also always the kind of weird stuff with the regular ones, right? Like the j pigs, they would make a warmer too. Like I was noticeably warmer up. Cannon JPEG yet mean.

like going from a raw to a JPEG is a processing step. There's stylistic choices you can make. IT is if you have a modern D S L R. And you shoot raw IT high I S S, the pictures are going to be noisy than the j pex, because the j pex have direction built them. But like, that is usually taking detail in IT.

And so like you're like, yeah I like I personally love the AI noise role in my room is all time, and I have set on the show like IT IT has changed my relationship to some. My older cameras is so good, but now the cameras doing itself, and there's none, as much as I can tell, none of the AI meddle a that everyone has been talking about, putting into these things to indicate that some of these pixels are fake, like the computer is made up. Some of these pixels, some of these details, why not have been there? Like we don't know in the examples i've seen that it's kind of actually but they know that right? Like we just don't know how to to work in every case and in the the chain of like meta data that you would need to verify.

This is a real image. Now IT just isn't, doesn't exist. I actually, if we are talking on the trump, the images of the trump shooting, immediate AI generated images from that A I modifications the lots and lots of weird images. They changed the secret service agents to smiling. And I like, all is a crazy stuff, and all of the stuff that we have talked about for years, about content, authenticity, about labelled of a blot out the window.

nowhere to be found here.

None of that work. You like to build all these safeguards. Like are you using in the safeguards? Like no. Like we are overall by sheer volume of crep. So like I just faster the cat is putting in the camera now IT is buried in the menu system of a professional candidate or IT is not the apology is not totally here IT, but it's it's exteriors in the face.

That's kind of the thing i've been thinking about with this this week is the thing you said.

And I think IT was around the pixel last year about like the question is where in the pipeline do you encounter of this ability and that eines are being really important like in in late room, that's an APP you you downloaded on your computer that you brought your phone in or your photo into and you press a button on purpose to do IT and that that feels like one thing as opposed to having IT happened, you know, in google photos where your photos live, or in the APP on your phone where the photos go like the camera all. And this goes even further to OK. Now it's a setting on your camera.

What if you move IT to being a button on your camera to what if you move is to just being there on your camera by to felt like where this goes from a thing i'm doing to you've just completely changed what is happening without me even being aware of IT all just feels very weird. And as soon as you to the device that feels like you, you've shifted that threshold ld in a pretty meaningfully. Because now I think like what what a lot of people want reasonable is to be able to just take photos off of their camera and have them be good, right? Like that's a good outcome.

I don't think most people want to muck around with their photos and White room. So in a certain way, that makes sense to say, okay, this thing that you're doing that we can actually do very well with A I we're just going to do IT for you because it's a good thing. But IT IT changes that to this is now something you've done to my photos rather than something I am able to do. And IT does IT does change things.

I can't wait for the first like wedding photographer who uses this and it's a whole new like set a lease detAiling on a wedding dress or .

just like a new brights bid.

Yeah, yes, this an extra in there. Now what's up?

Girl in the r one is sixty two ninety nine. The r five marto forty two ninety nine, if they could be like ad brides, yeah, that's the money. I will pay that money. Yeah, that provides me to all.

This is a picture of your kid .

and uprise me. SHE good. Different every time. Yeah.

you know, there are professional .

together. S right now who have based pushed matter into changing the made with A I label. They are putting an instagram so you would export a photo from light remote photoshop IT would take some medicine ata that's like use A I D added the image they would put IT on instagram. An instagram would look, add a label that was like made with a eye. Maybe all they done was the genoese, or maybe all they're done is like a little generated feel or something like some thing that is becoming very common place where the photographers were like, know, this image is not generated with A I I edited IT with AI and that is meaningfully different when I communicate with the audience in matter was like, yeah, we agree with that's weird and we're just at a place where actually we might need fifty labels to explain to people with all the different things you can do upscale in camera .

with A I yes .

is I mean .

add and right versus I typed up prompt. And now here's a picture well.

which is a great possibility. It's a perfect segway into the same sung thing that alan Johnson .

about this week. IT rules. I love IT so much.

It's so stupid. This is the most samsung caution to the goddam wind. I can't tell if I mad about this or impressed or what. I, I, I was mad .

about IT reading IT until you get to wear lake. He tried to make the lockers monster come out of a lake, and instead IT was just a giant Green bear with, like, super shaded Green bear. And you tried to make make, like the pope as a rabbit, like SHE took a photo of a rabbit and tried to be like, make this the pope and a pope. Mobile and IT was just like, we're going to put a giant rabid head inside a car.

So just to quickly explain what's going on here, samsung's imagination of the yeah.

the workers .

has infected some sung gala axy polls, and they will not let you generate the point .

that's probably yeah the Alice and Johnson is testing samsung's new phones. The first six in the four six nobody listened to what I saying. It's very important that you never listen to what you I says. Um and I think the fold six has a future called sketchy to image, which is you can take a photo, draw pretty crude a thing you want on that photo and IT will generate that thing. On tear photos. So I think the first one I saw her to you was it's it's a picture of like A A harbor with a port and some flowers in the foreground and SHE draws this like a durable little cartoon. B uh and I I guess prompts IT to be out of focus SHE didn't .

prompt IT h SHE .

didn't prompt IT. Oh, he didn't prot IT give me A B ah .

and SHE .

put IT on a part of the photo that out of focus. So IT generated an out of focus. B in that spot in the photo. And if you just look at the photo, there is not a single chance in hell you would think that that be was .

not there is there is a tiny little water mark in gray and the bottom left that says, A, I generated content.

If you squat.

I literally, I had I have looked at this photo one hundred times.

I hadn't seen that. So just IT is this I mean, I can't tell if i'm upset or i'm just impressed at the fucking yeah like let's just do this information. Would you like to draw some some disinformation? Not the pope, sir. But any other thing is fine. Ah IT is crazy.

Like look at the pictures in the article that you put a ship in a harbor ah IT is true that you think she's got a head on a bunny and the water, if you look at the picture, the hand on the bunning, the watermark is invisible. There is just totally ended in the grass. And samsung is like, why would you just make that bigger for the we also just crop IT out.

It's not in the photo. You've right. This is what I mean by that.

What is a photo apology? This is full. What is a photo apoyo c so you are giving people the tool. So just generate vacation in jy based on real al injury and then send IT out in the world with nothing with yet. They can just lie.

And like, we're gonna get to a place, I think, more quickly than people want to, where no one trust any image. And then we're going back to work backwards from there. Or the alternative, which is very scary, where everyone trust every image. There's not like some middle ground right like yeah .

I don't think the middle exists. You either just say, oh sure it's probably all real and let the chiefs forward they may or you trust nothing yeah interesting. Nothing requires a lot more work.

And and so I think it's it's actually easier to just say, oh, it's probably real and i'll be wrong sometimes and that's fine. And I I think like nyalong m kind of leaves you there. You know it's pretty scary.

I just i'm going to reserve my judgment on how how pani C2Be abo ut thi s unt il we fin d out lik e if you can jus t dra w ABS on som eone and IT giv es the m ABS.

in which case you would be pro.

I probably be con because I don't want to see if I just like I want the ads to be real. Don't don't fake, no fake ABS here, only real ABS. So so i'm very .

curious to see I asked moral .

boundaries can about you yeah six six .

pack of so. And that moral boundaries is shit ads that said, don't don't pick me out, watch water or nothing. So interestingly, samsung is not to this locally.

The picture get sense to the club, which is where some of the content moderation seems to come in, right once you go away from your phone and into a cloth ever wants to take responsibility for which is good yeah that companies taking your responsibility. Unclear how long this will take over time of these systems are being stressed yet. Um well, data usage, power usage, all the stuff. But boy, did samsung just like, fine, just draw on the photo and like, we will just make a fake photo.

Yeah, you want the lock ness monster? Have the lucky monster or a Green bear.

Is this if you're calling IT, is this any gaa bananas? A, is there anything?

This is something, yeah, I don't know what, but IT is something, but I would like, I would like to segway to want that is the most. Is this anything of anything? Uh, which is the years after essential, the the once promising andy rubin LED phone company went away.

Uh, we finally are starting to get information about the second thing they were building. There was a lot of like, I think at the time, we saw like renders of this very tall sort of remote controlling look in phone. Uh, but somebody found one on ebay and got a hands on, uh, I think this is the most interesting phone i've seen in years. And IT also might be so stupid.

X.

so yeah, I I love stupid tech. So i'm just, I dorr this thing. I don't understand how you would use IT long term.

It's basically the best way I can describe IT is like imagine two ipod anos stacked on top of each other. But it's all screen. It's just it's just a remote control. And IT looks like it's basically just a bunch widgets, which a, perhaps unsurprisingly, makes me very excited. Love a good widget.

I I think that my big call up for this one is that IT was obviously made before tiktok was a thing.

Nobody on this. You could open tiktok on the bottom, then tiktok. And again.

on the time, tiny tik .

don't, I could make a tiktok and watch a tiktok all exactly the same.

I bet that would be really good for figuring like just kind of flipping in around in your hand the the whole phone because it's so long to recall.

Essentials plan was to do ambient computing. They were going to put stuff in your house. The phone was just the first thing. So may be this really was a story about control .

that's very possible. Yeah, that IT was like they were making home device a little whole thing about this one back when I was at wired that they were their big plan was like you said to have they were doing sort of an alex a thing. But we're promising to do in a much more elegant way.

And even just looking at some of the stuff here, IT is very much like get quick information and see what's going on rather than like and lesser school in instagram, which like i'd take that that that works. But I just I miss this thing where there were people asking questions about what size of phone was supposed to be. And now, no, we've just decided that phone should be huge and leave. We are David, in your pinky from .

and and and I say, this isn't anything.

kay, yeah, you're sorry.

what?

Uh, can I? Can I rest you in the tiny? Is this anything?

Which one? Which one?

Let let me back this up instead. Can I interest you in a little silicon case for your apple watch that gives IT a scroll wheel that appears to just mechanically move the digital ground? Yes.

yeah, very good. I mean.

the perfect. I wish I wasn't eighty dollars.

the right Price. You wish I was more. That's the Price of you must.

They have a version without the wheel .

for like thirty dollars.

I just like, what's the point of that? Who whose wants that?

okay. So I will just remind everyone that when the apple watch was launch, you can go back and watch this video. Uh, bono was there. They they built to attend, uh, in a community college. And careful, this is a real thing happened and they saw saw them and they were like, with every new apple products comes a revolutionary input device. You were call the mass. You're Steve jobs in the s you were call the the click wheel on the ipod, the monkey touch on the iphone and now with the apple watch, the digital crown and I just think a device that's like now actually click well, what if we just he's a click, we'll deterred the visual is perfect I will be eighty dollars .

just for that are you .

going to put you're watching IT and then I have so many old apple watches travel here IT doesn't look at the lively I don't know why they've exposed the heart rate sensors .

on the back like something .

to hold .

IT the next like this no, okay, can I? I have one .

charging. It's charging.

Oh.

shakes more sense.

My stupid usability question that this is the watch every time you take IT off IT looks like the way IT authenticates tes is by saying on your body and then you turn that, are you going to have to enter your pass code every single time you wants to .

touch this thing? Because that sounds, I think you you .

use people to disable. Can you off OK .

people to turn to watch stuff off?

I never. That's the case. I buy the hell out of this thing.

Also, we will designate the battery life because you are absolutely not supposed to actively use the watch very much. Uh, but I don't care. I use IT.

Yeah OK. This is something blood. I will say that between the weird books pala new cycle that you and cragged kicked off and the the the interest in these things, something happened out.

I don't know what that is. I have, it's measurable and nothing is actually giving up their phone. But people are very much like, i'm sick. These rectangles, well, I are worse, right?

There is a, there is a moment of phone disintermediation that is happening that I think is very exciting. Uh, let's see a, gosh, there's so many, let's do the dine on track headphones. This is something that's the first time of that that name out loud, unlike IT not on track.

that dicon made very customized with headphone good per and they .

don't like a pain mask, which I would argue .

is a tremendous the five .

hundred dollars less improvement yeah .

that yeah I will really curious to see how they they work out. I know Chris, well, just going to probably review of column. But yeah, they do look cool.

They're just expensive.

Did the bin .

one sound good? I don't remember they okay.

but this is giving real slim Candy. And I don't know a derogatory school Candy or because just school .

Candy is a little derogatory for five hundred dollars is a yeah I think .

my issue with these and know I know people love dicon products. I just want to sit on an airplane with headphones inside dicon on them in this .

way yeah also there's no fan. Where is the .

fan you've got you've got one core technology that yeah OK I want to maybe there's something, but I don't think .

there anything. So the way you just said me, I dicon in this way makes me think you like bring your vacuum on the plan and really happy to show that off. But you don't want to read .

date IT in this way. That's saying it's it's very .

with an air rap style.

just like kill them down, down on the airplane, I don't know. And you like open the box of food and had a heavy logo. What is happening here? This makes you no sense.

Yeah I can give yeah that makes sense.

Yeah I think don just had a bunch of had phone parts left and they just ship them. That's my theory. Uh, the let's do last one. And then I have, I have more. I have we could do this forever, but let's just do one last one um and then we should go.

And I think IT is the most is this anything of all the major phone companies right now? And it's that google just leave its own pixel nine. Google was just like, here's the pixel nine pro. Is this anything .

I like to ask? I don't know.

There should be the title of the youtube video that .

like do like this. They do.

This was IT last year.

Was IT last year that they leaked the pixel league.

Can we stop calling this the league? They just posted IT.

They just posted the .

one that even like a high rise photo. The right here IT is did .

a video that just says introducing the google picks on line. You're they just launched today. You're absolutely be right.

Yes, they just really like here, IT is, for now.

did the camera? Mp is outrageous. It's huge. What do we do? And guys, yeah, the camera up is like starting to be the size of a phone like that. The little I, I, I watch iphone watch phone called the the tiny pod. I'm curious of the tiny pod with the apple watching.

IT is a big mp pico. You make the bump removable. That's what you now we're talking.

talking. That's a good stuff.

We just did IT. It's really like the whole story of this thing is going to be IT runs german, I fast. It's like it's very clear that is the whole sales pitch here.

Yeah which what else is google? I do .

people this.

but i'm not convinced germinie doing all the things school once get out later. But if that's the whole pitch here, IT has to be good. And what have we learned about AI hardware? It's probably broken, and I don't believe.

So yeah we're going to say, uh, that launch is August thirteen, right? Uh so TBD bit i'm going to say tentatively IT is not anything. Uh, we should take a break. But the last one is the the one plus pad two has a vibrating stylus um for reasons this .

sorry so you know what you're writing .

your tinsel to vibrate a Linda motor inside that .

makes the tip vibrate to give you that feeling of a pen rating on paper because you know .

how your pen vibrates .

yeah that's .

what I I think we should do.

is is anything every week? This is anything.

This is great. Yeah, okay, great.

This is that IT put up and seen the tiny pot.

I think is the big winter.

The already successful apple launch now in a weird case that something.

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by around if we get a lot to do.

we do we have to deliver on the twenty seven million dollhouse sucks, but I think we should closed that. The David, you're going last. I OK.

I'll just start with my favorite extremely silly story of the week, uh, conchas investor in company. They don't like me. They don't like me because of the way.

And I tell one story, conquest owns nbc, which has the olympics. S yes, can cast loves this because every year the olympic like a big deal for contest. M bc, they get all the programing. People are jump in and in their flip in, they are swiming, you know, the olympics in people.

people also three things. This this .

year they have great dane.

which is to be very kind of jumping.

Yeah olympic port is one of those three 全都 the so um。 As you know, sports amErica are basically in seven twenty p and have been forever because there is no completion from forecast. Congress is going .

to do the olympics in fork.

but they're only gonna do IT comments is going to do olympic and fork pillian p OK. We're probably the horrible obscured for k that they do. If you have a comcast cable box, you will get a high bit rate, low latency fork feet to the olympics. yes. So if you have an uh A X I six h SHE six, I don't know what of co oxi is because I live here in the future um but if you have one of their k boxes, uh you can get high file audio in a thirty megabit per second low late and sea forecasting of the text, which sounds awesome, Frankly, that sounds awesome. IT is just ridiculous that they are limited to their k ox, which they say to you because the custom network bbb ably.

But why didn't they put those resources into peacock and letting peak ck do IT?

I will say this is going to work for conchas. The obvious move here is to get people who don't have this box but have a conchas account to upgrade to this box. And it's gonna work like the the sporting events that make people go out and buy new higher res televisions like it's the same push. It's gonna .

work are the olympics that yeah.

it's the olympics. The olympic are huge .

sometimes.

So you get a duly vision H D R and that most immersive sound and then you channel thirteen, fifty years. U S, A K will get it's .

just a one channel. It's not all of the olympics. It's just USA and monkey runs.

Yeah, it's twenty four, seven. Access the national screen of the national stream.

Oh, that's worse. I take that back number.

yeah.

Peck.

just p cock gonna t like p cock. They seem to have been doing a really smart design for IT.

I got an email this morning telling me that my p cock Prices about to go up. And guess when my Price changes. Oh, it's in the middle of the olympics. surprise.

You can job peacock, if like, which is Better with or without paid p cock.

I I am required to keep paid peacock because IT somehow has all my shows we've .

talked about that true?

I don't know why. Yeah, the cock is really like central to my day to day existing. But I try not to I try not to think too much about that because this just makes me sad.

You get all the girls five ever though. So I do you .

like that.

If you have a compatible student device, you will get dolby vision. H, you are in utmost, but you don't get the the enhanced for kay, this is very complicated. Yeah, i'm saying is SONY pitches core that rebranded any of the course that I have an my summer TV still shown matter where the eighty mega bits per second the fine history experience you can have amErica grants what's worth?

Uh also fork related because selling TV is adding 4k streaming for free like everybody else who has just playing .

on a good sale， would you say .

with at least in the seventies.

yeah, this is like a hell man.

Yeah, this is help. Theyve already done that once they did a couple of days ago with the fox sports all star game and we all immediately when to social media talk about watching for k.

yeah that was huge news. Everybody everybody .

knew that on selling TV and on the roku or amazon fire device ah but they didn't partly because it's it's pretty much limited to sling blue subscribers because there are two versions of sling only .

in a couple of major few major fully they're fully and this is I care about this so much and it's so hard.

But if you're gains ville fda, you you can get IT and you don't .

have to pay extra. So I will say if you run a streaming service and you're out there, four case streaming as a as a like free up service to keep people engaged is going to work. Someone needs to go out and just be the one that's like, yes, you can have four k for no more money because we love you.

They will work. Sling did IT fort what sounds like eleven people so great, i'm told for those eleven people gains will, i'm sure is is, you know, happy rioting in the street. It's like, that's great. But this this is a feature that could work like this is the kind of thing that people want. And someone who wants their customers to be happy should give this to them again.

I have said many times, youtube should just pay to produce all the games and fork and then just have four k games in youtube TV. Yeah and it's too like they have the money and i'm pretty sure that it's google. They are like, whatever. I think it's too .

complicated.

Yeah right? David, bring her home. Oh my god. Talking seven million doi mentioned that this is the best.

So sam altman, uh bottle house in twenty twenty for twenty seven million dollars that was I don't know if that was when he bought IT, but I was at least at one time the most expensive sentence to relax this thing ever .

uh and it's .

sucked and he sued or heat his his people through a series of weird corporate things that are fighting. Another series of weird corporate things on the side of developers sued, uh, because basically they built him. What what his lawyers are alleging was a lemon of a twenty seven million dollar house.

This whole story is bananas so the architectural digest made eleven minute long video i'll link at the shown as uh going through the house before IT was sold and the house is it's not beautiful but it's like incredible if that makes sense. Uh IT has IT has a gym. IT has a massage room. IT has a closet that is larger than most houses. Uh, IT has a wellness cottage.

right?

IT has a wellness cottage. Thank you. That's the phrase I was looking for. Uh, IT has three ovens in the kitchen, which seems like one more than even like the very extravagant amount of OS to have uh but it's real like show stopping peace with this can't levered infinity pool that kind of looked out over cerezo. It's gorgeous.

Uh, according to the lawsuit, the people who were building the house were involved in a bunch of like corporate and financial sanctions that LED to then doing a crappy job and not paying contractors who then as a sabotage move did things like chav bags and debris into drains which then click to those drains, which did things like cause a ceiling to collapse in the gym, in the house. Uh, IT caused there were there were like inches of standing water under some of the walk way. There's apparently mold everywhere.

Uh, let's see what us to have numerous leaking irrigation lines that were incorrectly insult in the rooftop garden. Uh, failure of the trade lights in the exterior staircase, which were repared but then failed again. Defects in the design and waterproofing of syria planters just over and over and over again.

Big, giant pool basically leaking into and rapidly destroyed the rest of that. And the estimates were that the Price to fix all of this is going to be more than four million dollars, which is a number for repairs that I cannot fathom. And so basically the lawsuit now is saying that, uh, same altman was essentially duped into buying a twenty seven million dollar piece of .

crap who made IT was IT so funny, was like dr. Horton behind IT because I one of the other big builders.

And sometimes you get duped and spending a lot of money on an engineering marvel that can actually do all the things people .

say IT to do.

Just one of those things. What I think the capabilities of the canal levered pool do not match with the scoring amount of hype come was said pool.

You think the pool helps you send like lately, Better business emails.

The pool has already tried to have sex with.

I should take on the one hand.

on the one hand, like this sucks. I don't mean to like particularly make fun of sam me like somebody who just went through a much less expensive and problematic, the house renovation. This sucks.

And like the idea of spending all of this money on a house and then basically discovering IT is literally collapsing inside of itself, that sucks. I don't waste that on anybody. In another way.

it's very funny. Metaphor here is good. I said he was just striving. I like a five million.

He's five and the house is so ugly.

like it's just, I like, incredibly.

incredibly unattractive house. So good for him. He can go get IT redone like take his his earnings from from the lawsuit, make IT look like a real house would be great yeah .

it's just I I would encourage everyone to go read the lawsuit. I'll link IT its its thirty eight pages and the first like ten pages are just explaining the structure of the company that built this house and how insane IT was and there was like they lost a fifty million dollar uh, judgment against them for other shady work that they did and they were like the company was like running out of money so they stopped finding their projects while all also at the same time doing marketing about how like their whole thing was detail and twenty five percent of their work when into things that the owner would never see because they just care that much and that how it's twenty seven years. It's so, so funny. The whole thing is just like there will be a documentary about this and I will watch every single second .

of IT and the dinner will be made by sora.

Most IT will be wise.

It's gonna great. Yeah, i'm excited. All right. We are away over like it's already next week was next week at the end of the first segment.

Now, september. Yeah, the iphones are here. Now let's like about that oh no, you got ta go.

But before we do, I just want to caught one day and I said this incredible if you are old head GDP blogger like me uh shang hoster and john porter wrote about the stream deck. You'll got a stream deck and where IT came from, which is this legendary gadget blogging obsession, the art limited optimist keyboard.

Turns out, by the way, art limited, uh, turned into very weird, hard right russian nationalists, which we had to at the story, which is not what I wanted out of this very innocent story at the stream deck that that is such as twenty twenty four. Um but if you are like me, you are like reading and writing gadgets. Gs, like twenty years ago, this keyboard just kept coming up is the thing everybody wanted.

And IT turns out a company that made the actual displays kept going and that turned into the stream deck. And it's just like a winding tale of some people really believe that key should get up. And I love IT in designs.

Incredible, so great that, and then have just tones in tons of stories. There is a great week on actually um and then I I promise you will moderate the politics but they're here so just get ready. It's it's election here and I will say .

where and everybody should hold us to this. I want to spend a lot of time talking about like policy and less talking about like horse race juanes. Yeah so like hold us to that. And that is that is the thing we're going to try to do because this if this stuff matters a lot, that matters right now. Uh, but we also don't need to spend a lot of time like ranting and raving about who said what on the campaign.

That's for our other show, twenty four seven politics verge, which you can wash on rogue devices tomorrow oh, that's IT. That's a process.

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