Tesla’s big, epic, confusing future
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Walk with the verge cast the flexi podcast of super helpful humanoid helper robots. I'm a friend day of peers, and I am sitting here buying bathroom vanity. So my wife and I were having some worked done in our house partly to just like make our bathrooms nicer, but also because one of them is starting to leak.

And if you're watching the sun, youtube, just out of frame up, there is just a growing stein. And those are the things that start to happen. And I just see all of the money that I have in the world start to disappear.

So anyway, we've been starting to do some work on renovating our bathroom, Megan and changes. And I have discovered that shopping for bathroom in ties is everything that is wrong with online shopping. You go dorn's websites, wafer or lose or home deepo or amazon or pottery barn or create barrel, and it's just all the same stuff with different Prices.

You have to become like a subject matter expertise. I now know the difference between solid wood and all the different types of manufacturer wood and M, D F, which is bad, but only in human spaces. Like, why do I know these things?

This is not information i'm interested in knowing, but there isn't really just a place you can go online that's like hero, the good vanities. This is like the endless chAllenge of shopping on the internet. You can't really trust the reviews because everybody has these paid for review programs.

Some of the pictures you see are helpful, some aren't. Some of the one star reviews are just about like weird things that we're happening in their house. The day that things got delivered, it's just a mess.

And so what i've ended up doing for these very expensive pieces of furniture is basically just going online, finding one that looks good and then google lenzing IT. Because what you discover is actually most of these places are just selling the same thing. Much of IT comes from china or other countries in asia, where they're just being shipped out of factories.

And all these companies sell the same thing under different names, often for very different Prices. So I find one that I like, a google lens IT. And then I hope to god that there is a set of reviews or helpful pictures, or an expert in the field who has talked about this somewhere.

And then you go on reit to see, because reit is the best place to get actual information about things. And everyone on read IT is just like go to a local cabinet maker, get this stuff customer made, do not trust the internet, it's good advice. Honestly, it's probably the correct advice for many things, not just bathroom vanity, but the people are coming tomorrow to start putting new things in my bathroom and I don't have time, so I am fully, fully at the mercy of the internet right now, and it's terrifying anyway.

That's not we're talking about today. We have a super fun show coming up. We're going to do two things. First, we're going to talk about tesla because tesla last week had this big shareholder meeting, approved a huge payday for you on musk, but also gave a hint to what the next phase of tesla is gonna like some new products, some new initiatives at the company.

We're going to bring andy hawkins on and talk about all of IT and hopefully only a little a body on musk. After that, we're going to talk about wearables. We have a new APP that people are really excited about for tracking your steps and all that of.

We have a new apple watch feature of the people are excited about. We have a new samsung watch the people are excited about. It's just a bunch of interesting, cool kind of fitness and health stuff and v song from the verge.

And I have been talking a lot about finding more relaxed chill ways to do wearable ables and fitness instead of the like hyper intense capital f fitness people. How can I just have a wearable that helps without yelling at me about IT? So we're going to do the first part of a little bit of that today and more to come this summer.

We also have hot line question about whether that i'm very excited to talk about and lots more besides all that is coming up in just a sec. But first I have sixty five. Those tabs open that all look essentially the same to me.

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Walk back. Alright, I bought two variations. Are there any good? Who knows? Do they have good return policies? Yes, they do. Because if there is one thing the internet is good for, its that IT made IT relatively easy to return all the crappy stuff that you buy from internet. Anyway, let's get to the shop.

First up, I wanted talk about tesla, and I say tesla very specifically, because what has happened over the last week has been a lot of news about tesla and about elon musk. And I want to focus on the tesla part. So last week was the end of this big road to a shareholder vote over a huge paypal age for elon musk.

We're going to mostly leave that to the side. But what happened after elon musk, the Victory that for getting the shareholders vote because he wanted, was he kind of laid out what he sees as the future for tesla. He talked about the optimist robots.

He talked about wanting to be a data center company. He talked about full self driving. He talked about super charges.

They talked about new vehicles. And I just think tesla is at a really interesting moment right now. And I felt like a good time to talk about IT.

This company has been so important for so long to the electric vehicle industry, to the whole tech industry, to the world. And this felt like a good moment to kind of check in on where tesla the company is and where I added. And of course, andy hawkins is the person to do IT with andy. Welcome back to the show.

Hello, thanks, travel.

It's been a minute. There's like just an on slot of car stuff. And I feel like someday we're going to have to catch up on all of the car stuff put today tesla time.

I'm here for IT. okay. So I I have two rules for you up front and then and then we're going to dive in. Rule number one is i'm going to ask you a question about elon mask at the beginning and i'm going to ask you a question about mask at the end in in between, we are going to talk about the on musk little as possible that fair.

that sounds more than fair. Okay, good.

And rule number two is glaser rule and more of the cavy up. And i'm going to make the caveat that I haven't I want you to add attract to IT as you would like to OK. We're about sock, a bunch about plans for tesla and the company that tesla plans to be.

Elon musk, in particular, is known for. Hyperbole makes a lot of promises that don't always come true, or don't always come true in the timeline he has. What I would call acute shiny objects sync me. And yet I still think all of this is worth digging into and talking about that a fair cavy out anything you would out or subtract?

No, I think that that all sounds more than accurate. I accept your cave yet.

good. Right then. Beginning you on my question really quick. There is a big shareholder vote last week. This has been really like in some ways, like six years in the making. Just give me the very quick story as to why tesla shareholders voted again to give elon musk many tens of billions of dollars.

yes. So they have voted the first time to give him this amount of money or to promise to give him the amount of money back in a twenty eighteen uh with uh I using in the cava being that he had to meet certain freeholds in order to actually see the full amount of the paypal age that was a approved for him a and he did. He met met those conditions.

texas. Uh, value exceeded wild leaps and bounds that even possible. Imagine of what a test that could actually be valid. IT succeeded in that he was the most valuable car maker in the world by twenty twenty one.

And he was to meta threshhold and uh his paypal age was vested then at the beginning of this year, a lawsuit that had been winning its way through the courts from a tesla shareholder. This guy, Richard, turn to who we believe is also a heavy metal drummer and he only owns like a handful of shares. IT, which is a kind of a facility in aspect of all of this, sued the company.

And elan musk saying that this process was flawed. H he should not have been rewarded this amount of money to get tossed out. A judged in delaware where tesla is incorporated, uh agreed and avoided his paypacket uh in january of twenty twenty four that made on musk very upset. And when elon mus upset his legion of fans, a lots lots of them who are shareholders also got very upset and they decided to just do the process over again.

H, so for the last several months, they'd tesla h has been engaging a pretty aggressive lobby in effort to get its shareholders to once again prove this, uh, this massive paid package, which is upwards of fifty six billion dollars, suspend said to to be worth, which would make him the most highly compensated chief executive in modern history. Ah so they went to the shareholder again, said, let's let's vote for this once more time. Let's show this judge that when we said that we wanted him to get this money, we actually and low and behold, a tesla shareholders voted overwhelming to award elon muk is pay package once again um and that's right.

okay. This is why I think this is actually a good moment to talk about tesla because there was a moment in the speech that ella must gave after the shareholder of vote ended, where I think what he said was, this isn't a new page for tesla S A new book or something like that phrasing OK.

And and then I would say he he proceeded to say, kind of layout what he believes the future of tesla to be, and I just want to to run through a handful of them and kind of a take your temperature on what you think about all of these big ideas as they pretend to kind of wear tesla is is going from here. And I feel like the first place we have to start is with the the optimist robots, right? I feel like if you were onna pick up thing.

so he would like you to start there, so he be very so.

okay. Well, so that's actually one of the things i'm most curious about is I didn't IT didn't feel like cars with the big story. I didn't feel like energy was the big story.

I felt like robots was the big story. why? Why robots? How did this become kind of the shy est thing at tesla?

yeah. So for years, iran and tesla have been interested in A I. They have been trying to produce itself driving car for many, many years now.

And muss has been making numerous uh radios promises about how testers future is actually in autonomy and robotics and know it's become sort of you know kind like a bit of an inside joke almost that know he makes these promises that there's millions of self driving vehicles on the road by certain dates. Those dates come and go. Low behold, there are no self teslas that have taken over the robot we do have is know a series of driver six products.

First, there is autopilot that there was full self driving drivers very much still need to take control, you know, pay a attention to the to the driving test. They cannot fall asleep or allow the the car to drive itself without their attention. So IT seems like they're still a ways to go still before we actually get to this point where tesla has achieved and solved for a time. Me, like some other companies have made a lot more progress with.

But that said, you know, I think the that we really saw this becomes sort of more than just kind of like a side project of tesla, but becomes sort of the core purpose and of the entire company and obviously, of sort of the way that mask markets the company was around the time that I think open a ee emerged with ChatGPT and then we started to see sort of the spread of A I fever. This becomes sort of a very, very clear a hype cycle that were in the midst of at the moment. And IT was clear that the things that investors in wall street formally reward a test la, or which was for IT, been on the the angular of electrification in sort of changing the way that people think about personally on vehicles that was somehow not as exciting anymore.

I mean, text was still worthwhile out of money, but IT was, sadly, people were certainly to pay more attention to the robotics and the autonomy aspects of the company. And I think tesla in elan especially really leaned into that and are now trying to sort of shift the definition of what tesla is away from being just a car maker to one that is focused primarily on A I and robotics. That really came out, I think, very strongly during the last earnings call. E said that if you don't understand that this is what tesla all about, that we're an AI company that were going to solve for economy that you just don't understand the tesla story.

interesting. So the this is somewhat makes sense to me there, right, that if you if you solve in the same way, that energy inside of cars ultimately lets you solve much bigger, wider sorts of energy problems. Solving autonomy inside of cards lets you solve other, bigger, more interesting problems. And this is like, this is the version of the world and future that tesla has always talked about. And again, execution is another thing. But like that version of how to think about what a carcan then expand out into sort of make sense to me, right? Like again, leaving aside whether IT is possible for tesla or or anyone else to build a self driving car, if you can IT puts you weigh down the road of solving a bunch of other really interesting problems.

This is sort of fundamentally, I think what tesla is trying to say into how a mask is sort of trying to talk about the company. But I think what IT belies is that know kind of like something that he maybe would not admit to in what a lot of people inside the company or the fans of the company would not really admit to, which said he's just fundamentally aboard with running a car company car.

The car company aspect of this has just become kind of and you said IT yourself talking about is like chinese chinese ject syndrome. The car company is not a shiny object anymore. It's not he doesn't hold his interest.

And this was so much a part of the lobby, an effort in the run up to the shareholder vote coming from uh, the chair of of tesla's board, Robin den home on down talking about how we needed to award musk this enormous sum of money because we need to hold his attention. He has all of these projects. He's got his irons and in multiple fires, whether it's a obviously with x formerly twitter.

Neural ink, the boring company space sex, obviously being the granddaddy, the all a tesla is just not like keep keeping his attention the same way that IT used to uh so in order for him to the fully devote himself and and usher tesla into this next chat or this next book because he likes to put IT, you know, we need to cut him this uh, gigantic check because that's gna be the way that's going to keep him out of locked down and focus on what's gonna test of the most successful company. So I think that there is an exhibit of this like they're trying to solve for for certain problems, are that they think autonomy and robotics are going to help themselves where there is around labor or around sort of like the safety around A I. But I think fundamental really just comes down to like this, do to spread way too thin and they needed to keep him more consolidate and focused on on the basket head.

right? And obviously, what you are cooler thing to think about, both for investors who care a lot about the stock Price and for elon, muscular and executive and just for like the people who follow us, that the human od robots that follow you around your house, right? Like I can't imagine a thing in this moment of this crazy AI type cycle that will get more attention from more people than we're gone to build a robot like screw your her thing that's on your phone like we're going to build a fricking robot in your house like tesla thing is to take these things to like the end degree like that feels very in keeping without this company Operates to me.

Yeah, one hundred percent. And I was like the mosque of the past was coming in, poking his head out a little bit during the the shareholder of day where he came out. He did his Victory lap. He told everyone at how much he loved them.

And then he just started speaking incredibly hyperbolical about about how optimism in the human oy robots and how tesla was going to have potentially hundreds of robots working in his factory by the of next year, I think he said. And then he made some comment about how tesla was ultimately the the robotics industry. Can remember I was exactly tesla or rob.

I'm sure he was seeing them mutually the same was going to be worth twenty five trillion dollars someday, which like you can say, what you will about musk in his hyperbolic statements and how he hypes things too much and just sort of goes over the top and describing millions of election cars, leaving tony, a robot, a dog company in the we ever see, nor do I think we will see in the history of of like a corporate america, or just, you know, the history of of capitalism. Is that something that I think a lot of people even think is fundamentally possible? But that said, that that was like, fully like the vibe that he was trying to put out. I think with all of this.

that makes sense. You have aggressively broken or no elon muscle, which means we have to move on. It's very hard to do.

And this is like this is the stranger thing about this company right now. And where this comes to my ellam question at the end. But let's let's get back to some car company stuff because tesla is still a car company.

No matter how wants to talk about IT tough. There were three shouted vehicles up from two shrowl vehicles that we've seen before. They put up beside elan, I believe, said we have some stuff pipeline.

You speculated wildly about what these three vehicles might be. Give me the quick running down. What what do we think is is literally under the hood that we're going to see from tesla in the near future?

yeah. So IT was interesting to me because I was one more mystery vehicle than we last year, which is when they had their investor day, and they talked a lot about, like the third master plan and about how they were going to use all the sustainable energy in order to shift the world over to a more sustainable energy future. And at that time, the criticism against that s okay.

They're talking high minded about all these things that they want to do. There are losing focus. There's no new car announcement. There is nothing for people to really sink their teeth and to accept for a lot of these kind of like grandee statements about what the future energy was going to be.

Isn't been anything since the cyber truck, right, in terms of like concrete?

And that's a long time, if anything, that all over the map there been report about cancelling plans for for a cheap model two type twenty five thousand dollar EV and then they are are back onto IT. It's it's unclear exactly where the where they are stand on, sort of like what the lineup, the vehicle line up of the future going to be because I think because the cyber truck kind of that all the oxygen, the review is an enormously difficult task to build up a production sort of scheme around that truck because of how difficult IT was make.

And that kind of just an obviously to the company, you know, a couple months ago, went through a huge h laffed period where but they laid off over ten percent, maybe even up to twenty percent of the company was laid off. Uh and now they're actually hiring a lot of those people back because they realize they fired to many of them, which is not the first time that that's happened with us. But anyway, so yes, there was an additional mystery vehicle under a under a shroud of that they hinted that during the shareholder reading, two of which looks like had the shape of just regular tesla that looks kind of like model trees know something that we from that we can say, okay, is one of those.

The model two is one of those. The cheaper, smaller, more affordable electric AR that they said they were gonna make and said that they weren't and new, sort of been flip popping in, backtracking and going, Oliver, the place as to whether that they actually have plans to make this vehicle is the other one of those is that maybe the refreshed roadster that we were first promised, uh, I think back like twenty and twenty when they had the event announcing the tesla semi truck and then the roadster was sort of like brought something we're going to do. The roads ster, the original vehicle launched tesla.

I honestly forgot about that. Like if you had asked me just now, is there another road started? I would have said, no, that was like the first I honestly forgot. And didn't they collect like a huge deposits from people for that too?

Yeah, they they take a total deposits definitely over you know several millions of dollars worth. But yeah, that doesn't appear to be any closer to production. We have not gotten many words. I think he's waited a few times about sort of with the progress.

There's been lots of claims about using like SpaceX style rockets to make this like a vehicle that can reach zero to sixteen under two seconds or maybe even a second and a half. It's we're bending the laws of physics. It's going to be a fun time because one of those mystery vehicles could be that road story.

Then there was a third mystery vehicle, which was more boxy shaped, a little bit taller, higher ding, maybe even then shaped. So there is some speculation that this could be A A van or at least more sort of high capacity vehicle. This could be the robot taxi that that tesla has been talking a lot about.

I was just meant to say, do you really think tesla is going to make a many of, I think, but in the taxi version of the world, that makes more .

sensitive if they're going to make some sort of purpose built autonomous? The conventional wisdom is that that needs to be something that is kind of van chips that you can fit a lot of people into a, you can IT can maybe be something the word there could be some Carolin aspect of some right sharing. So IT does seem to be that maybe tesla is interested in that, interested in some sort of van type format for its technology. So um those were sort of the guesses that I i've seen and and other things have talked about in terms of like what test less future vehicle that .

might look like OK the robot taxi is supposed to like this .

summer right soon yeah August, uh eh he said, okay, it's going to be the event for that.

I feel like it's probably then a fairly safe bet to say one of those three is going to be the robot taxi.

Yeah, I think that that's correct. And they've been happy that a in a lot of their communications there talks about how it's gonna somewhat similar, design wise to the cyber truck. So we are gonna maybe a lot of angularity, something more trying, gully shaped perhaps, probably not stainless steel, but you know, you never know with this company.

But yeah, this is going to be sort of like what we've all been built in, tories, right? We've had these drivers, this products, we've seen how they behaved out in public. You've got a lot of people, tesla, others were big fans of full sales driving and autopilot.

That is great. IT takes a lot of the pressure off of driving that. IT works fantastically.

And then there's just a ton of evidence that shows that it's just not what it's built up to be has a serious gaps. There have been some studies to show that I can execute certain manuvers. There have been hundreds of crashes, dozens of fatalities involved in drivers using autopilot.

And then there's concerns about how people might be over using these products more reliant in them. They should. And obviously, due to the fact that tesla markets in in a way that partly leaves a lot of confusion to people.

IT is called full self F S. That is it's hard to not read that the way that that sounds yeah.

I know it's like, why can't I take my eyes off the road? Why can't I fall asleep? Why can't I climb into the back, the back seat and now the Carter drive me from from that way? Well, because you there are plenty of of warnings that pop up on your screen to say to never do those things.

So yeah, it's the way tesla markets these products in. The reality of them are constantly in conflict um and we're started to see some court cases move their way through the system, some regulators in california, the dmv, a tor general, uh, the department of justice are are all investigating. Uh tesla is maybe perhaps uh part of a uh a criminal investigation to show that they have willfully misguided people in terms of how they marked this um .

uh this technology got IT okay, which makes the robot taxi thing even higher sticks .

in a bunch of ways.

I would a good d well, and speaking of around of that, I think if you assume the robot taxi thing is real and coming this summer, IT makes a bunch of the other things. Tesla and ella must are talking about all the more important, right? He mentioned the tesla network, which is the this idea that we've been hearing about for forever, that you can just get out of your car when you get to work, and then your car can go be a robot taxi all day and then come back.

The super searcher network, which I think we ve heard a lot of conflicting things about in recent months, the whole theory of like A W S for A I the tesla trying to be idea of this like big, broad network of tesla and what that can be in the world, feels like it's about to get tested in a pretty real way after a lot of talk over the last few years. And obviously, autopilot and self driving is part of that because like the first part of robot taxi means there is not a person. This is not an uber for tesla thing. This is a very different thing tesla is is trying to go for and like IT feels like that's coming to ahead here pretty fast. no.

Yeah I mean, it's just sort of goes back to this this idea that I I fer, which is that know they're trying to explore many ways in which they can continue to hype tesla and justify the valuation, is that is received over the years in ways that don't sort of expose kind of like the fundamental reality of what the company is, which is that it's a car company.

But as soon as you put tesla alongside uh of its fellow peers in the auto industry alongside, I don't know, uh, ford and gm heavy bui aud merces IT kind of loses its luster in a lot of ways because we know about car companies. We've seen them for decades and decades. You know over a century now we've had car companies and there's nothing that that the story really doesn't lend itself so well.

So that kind of like excitement that has surrounded tesla t that also must himself as someone who is like a future resent is going to help usher kind of like this more this Better future that we have a plan for us. But I think it's just really kind of like this tension, and I think that that's why he's talking about things like about tic because I but even like the aw s of I mean, that's just spitting ball in h and talking to a number of of experts that i've said, yeah that that's like the fact that tesla vehicles are cars that they move around and are go from place to place. And I don't have like a fixed location necessarily kind of kind of undermines the idea of using that as some sort of like distributed network from which to you know like you know more paying for your book in terms of like what an actual electric car can be used for.

But if I think you know sort of ignore res some of the the real potential, the top behind uh, evs, which I think a lot of the other car makers of the dead, which is things like virtual power plants, uh, and sending energy back into the grid or using your EV as sort of like a mobile power generator that can help you out in the meeting, there's a black out where we're having. There's a heat wave on the east coast this week. There's going to be heat waves as part of our future, fundamentally like know, we do have to really can get used to that. And evs could be a real good way to help make sure that people don't who do lose power, don't use lose the things that they really need the most refrigeration and A C and things that during this time. So you know, there's a lot of things that evs can be useful that that beyond just like driving from from a to b and IT doesn't seem like he really has or the company really has much interest in those things.

Yeah, that makes that. So to that point, actually, my impression of tea for years has been that IT was very early to a lot of things and was right about a lot of where things are going beforehand, even leaving all of the good and bad aviion musk aside, like test la was right about the future pretty early on, and correctly bet on a bunch of things, including electric ics.

The story around tesla the last few years seems to be that IT has given up a lot of that lead as a car company, right? And and that is the sort of mote that is built for itself, has like withered and dried up. I guess to just like destroy that metaphor, is that fairly, is that what is teslas mode as a car company at this point? And and again, the answer is not allowed to be elon mux were going to come back to that.

But as a as a like technology and car company, does IT have some of that mote and advantage still? Or has IT has the landscape around IT just changed? Yeah.

I think it's it's kind of a complicated answer because I think in some aspects IT does because I think we've seen you know the thing that was most often described as tesla IT was a supercharger network, right? That IT made these cars that people wanted. They were expensive and they were future sc looking, but none of that would have worked if there was not the infrastructure, the charging infrastructure to support the ownership of those vehicles.

And so tesla very smartly realized that he needed to build that itself, that I was not going to get the help from the government or from maybe even like the supplier network and the a the third party after markets industry that exists, I needed to do IT itself. And IT did IT created what? What is still stands today is being the best and most reliable and most distributed evi charging network that IT exists on the planet.

And they not only did that, but then they opened up that standard of the charging standard that they saw being sort of more streamline and cheaper and more sort of technologically proficient. And they open IT up to the rest of the industry. They said, okay, this is not just stars anymore.

This is the north american charging standard, the ncs, you all can use this. And ford was the first to jup on board, and the G. M. followed. And then all the dominos soon followed afterwards.

And now we have every single major auto maker in the world are saying that that not only will they um give their own customers, their own E V owners access to tesla network, but they will also adopt the plug for themselves on their future evs. So we're going to start seeing four vehicles and gm vehicles come out with text less plug versus the one that exists, which is the ccs plug. And so that is a lot of ways tesla's mode and still stands.

IT is as a tesla's mode in in protection against the future. But IT was always going to be the case that he was not going to be able to maintain the market share that I had. I had the vantage of been first, so therefore know I think that the most IT had over seventy five percent of the evy sales as testers eventually.

And if I was successful, if I could guarantee the fact that I was successful, other companies where we're going to inevitably follow its lead and make their own electric cars. And now you starting to see that markers share shrink. Its now around fifty percent. Its sales are down, its revenue is down, its profits have shrink. And so there there's a lot of concern about, we know sort of tests list future as a car company, which is still for all the bluster about a robotics IT still is fundamentally .

a car company, right? And is that because tesla has lost some of its swag or because everybody else has finally caught up? Or a little bit of.

I think, a little bit of bit, I think you've got the fact that is not just a tesla anymore. You can go out. You can take a look at these really great electric conditions and these great electrocutions, the for musing mucky remains a very popular vehicle.

Now you've got elective trucks. You ve got the uh electric f one fifty in the silverado, and there's more to come. And if you don't even like some of those old dustier legacy car companies, there's riviere and there's polestar and there's all these other sort of newer tesla light companies that have maybe as much of a chine on them as tesla ted.

And maybe you don't like the kind of things that you don't must stands for. You don't like the things he says on x. You don't like his positions, his political positions, which I have obviously become more conservative and right wing over the last few years, and he's not shy about sharing those with the world. And so if you find that to be abhorrent, you can know there's plenty of other places for you to go.

And I think that um as we've seen in this presidential election now with electric vehicles becoming so politicize that if republicans are rAiling against evs in what you're left with is entirely a progressive or democratic or left leaning customer demographic, those people are not going to be willingly goblin up teslas that right maybe they grudged ly will buy a tesla because of how good the charging network is or the Prices which have come down significantly in the last years. And now you can get a tesla, especially a used one for around twenty twenty five thousand dollars. In a lot of ways. We the twenty five thousand dollars EV exists and IT just happens to be a use model three. Uh, so I think in some ways that to become a lot more complicated, but IT in A A lot of other ways, this is the way that I was always going to go, especially if tesla was is successful as IT has proven to be right.

So you ve brought me to my last year on bus question and then and then I will let you go. I think a lot of this road map is really interesting to be. And tesla t deserves credit over the years for pulling off a lot of what IT said IT was going to do.

It's been much weirder than we expected, did a lot of the stuff that said I was going to do. And so to the extent that I wanna give the company the benefit that out that IT has been able to do this in the past, I might be to again, that's one thing. But we've talked about this so much over the years that elon musk is tesla and tesla is elon musk.

And I feel like what that means has change. Some here is for for your read right now in twenty twenty four, even different from what I was in twenty eighteen, the first time shareholders voted to give them all this money. What is you read on what elon musk means to tesla in sort of this? Next phase, like is that, that close association was undeniably good for tesla for a really long time.

Say what you will IT just IT just was a whether you were a person who liked electric vehicles or a person who won't, the stock Victories is all around for a long time there. Do you think that still the case in the next phase of this company? Or has IT sort of inextricably changed since 1？

I think it's still the case because if you look at the vote totals, you look at the way that people voted their shares, which there were billions of shares that that were voted a during this this past shareholder vote, over seventy percent voted in favor of awarding him this paypacket, which is a pretty strong sign that people see tesla.

And not only tesla as IT is today, but tesla is future as some sort of undefined robotics company or whatever IT is in the future as being intricately linked to elan musk in his ability to be the one that sort of this guide in that ship. So I think that, that was a pretty clear sign if we had seen IT was pretty much, I think, the same percent that first awarded him that paypal age back in twenty eighteen. So there's been six years right between these two votes, and we're seen basically and unchanged vote total.

That said, no. And I talk to a couple experts in the midst of this. If you're someone who bought tesla shares back in twenty eleven, you are really happy with elon mask with these in this company.

If you are seven who bot shares in twenty twenty three, you have probably a lot of questions. And you're you're probably wondering about what the post musk e future is for tesla. And he was asked that during the shareholder mini, which he stood and says and took a lot of questions. Many of them were uh, not great questions that to be desired. You know, as one can imagine, at a tesla event of this kind, you're gna get a lot of like, you know, he sort of over displays a fields and I call them that.

How are you so terrific questions.

Actually, yes, I call them the questions. But anyway, you going to have those times the questions, but somebody did asked him some something along the lines of like, you know, you going to live forever, which maybe, must might disagree with I know he might. I know a lot of him and his friends were working on that problem right now.

But the city there, how's your health or something along like the lines of that and what's going to be the future of tesla? And he gave the biggest answer. He's like, i'm very excited and confidence in the future tesla.

There's just no one line being lined up to take the the rains of this company. In fact, most of the people that could have, I think we're fired in the last round of layoffs. They had most of the the sea sweet executives have departed.

There's new people that I ve just come in IT does not seem that they have any interesting grooming somebody and I said, I mean, musk is not that old. He's still in his a fifties and probably has um you know uh long years ahead of them running this company. And it's very clear that that's what the shareholders want, which is why they voted in this way.

So IT just seems like, you know, yes, the people who have said that mosque tessin tesla is that is more accurate today that IT ever has been. I think it's just a question of does he still see himself leading this company? If so, what is his vision of the future? Because that's the one clear that that most people are interested in, in following right.

And IT sounds like very much under that world in which elon musk and tesla are more connected than ever, tesla is going to look less and less like a car company as time goes on.

Yeah, it's possible it's very possible that IT becomes know that the car aspect of of its like business h shrinks. But if that's the case, they need to really start to think about how they're going to replace those revenues because right now, they're in a bit of a bind because the uh, it's over eighty percent of the revenues are automotive.

They still obviously pulled in some revenue from from the energy side of the business and from battery storage. The solar aspect of of their business has remained pretty flat. It's not growing and nearly as much as i'm sure a lot of analysts would like to see a grow.

So there's just nothing really to replace the money yet. And obviously, robotics and autonomy and the tesla network and self driving cars in the road, global taxi, all these things remain just far too theoretical for anyone to sort of like hang anything solid on. So I just think that if he wants to be this company that is, is setting itself up for IT needs to start to demonstrate it's actually going to make money. Otherwise, a lot of shareholders are going to feel very much like bag holders at the end of all of this.

At some point.

you've to start self, self. That's how works.

I'm told there's let that go on with A I in general right now, it's all very shiny. And at some point, you got to start down stuff. And I think I have a feeling we're heading for a couple years of reckoning on what you can and can't sell when they come to .

I stuff that .

sounds about right, andy? Thank you. As always.

it's my pleasure. thanks. indah. D .

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All right, we're back. So it's now then a week since wwdc, apples in your developers conference, we talked about a lot of the show. I still think that the fact that they announced rest days for what O S. Might be the single most exciting announcement to me.

The personalization even extends to your activity rings, where you can now adjust your goals by the day of the week. Or if you have an injury that's making IT harder to close your rings or maybe you just need a day off, you can pause them for a rest day, week or more and keep your ward street going.

The thing where i'm lying on the couch feeling sick or tired or just haven't had time, that data go exercise and my watch is like yelling at me about not closing my rings is the thing that makes me want to take off my apple watch. I actually turned off a lot of the goals. I just tried to not worry about that stuff anymore.

But I like the idea of being able to care about IT and then not care about IT. But anyway, that is just one piece of a lot of wearable, able news. In the last few weeks, we've gotten lawsuits from sn over or as smart rings.

We've gotten pixel watch leagues. We've gotten a new samsung galaxy watch. We've gotten a bunch of F, D, A news, v song has been covering all of this and is deep in the wearable, able space as anyone who listens to the show.

Well, now, so I figured i'd have her just come on. And where is going to plow through some of news and talk about how big a deal any of this really is and take a Victory lap on rest is fees on? Welcome back.

Thanks for having me.

You did IT. This is, this is the biggest news in the history of the song wwdc. This year we're gona do.

I have apple stuff, samsung stuff and google stuff. I wanted talk about what we got with apple. I'm just, the floor is yours. If you, you can laugh, you can cry, you can be happy. We got.

I was screaming so loud in my house. And like, so I have this one cat who loves to, like, just annoy me in my room. He likes to sit with me in my office. And as soon as they are like, oh, and rest, they're going to be a thing. Now I was like so loud and I was just like typing in the in the verge lag with like so many types, just because I was going like, huh and I saw that the life blog, that somewhere I was like, fish pumping. Yes, all of that was happening.

And if IT waster, the fact that I had to, like, get the watch was eleven blog out, I would have probably just like run around like a crazy person in my office just going like just finally, this is so great on so many levels I could it's just like i'm here to wax poetic c on IT, so I will. But like this has been ten years of the apple watch and IT IT has been like a feature that I have been running for at least eight of those years just because it's oh my god, what do I start? There's just so many reasons why you need to rest day.

And the big one is that we're not machines. And I actually think streets are quite toxic for the average person because we all know that one apple watch person who's just like, oh yeah, I was sick but there's no way i'm breaking my streak so I just lowered IT and went for a walk and I was like, I hear that story so many times and i'm just like that is the opposite of improving your health. That is actively not doing the best thing for your health and your body in that point in time.

Um and then there's for other people, those notifications are actually extremely demoralizing. So when I had covered, I had IT pretty bad. I couldn't really think properly.

I don't actually remember a lot of having cove IT because I was like a bad time. But one thing i've really do remember was getting a buz on my risk looking and it's like you can still do IT. You can take a twenty seven minute walk and close that ring.

The thing it's like just go for eleven mile walk. It's only nine P M.

You'll be fine. No, this is like, no, actually I I have coded right now and so I was just so annoyed and I took the watch off and and I put IT on the charger because that's just how tibi I am, was just like, oh, i'm not going to throw access the room. I'm going to put IT very gently on the charger, but that that kind of impulse.

And I have also heard from several of my friends that on their wedding days, they either wore their apple watch on their angles or gave IT to their spouse to Carry for them because they were not gone to break that street even though I was their wedding day. And I was just like, I think I think we've gotten to a point where the streak is no longer hopeful. If you are at that point, I think we have lost sight of what the streak is supposed to be.

IT is a motivational tool. And yeah, of course, like IT is a great way to kind of visualize your consistency. But you know you can have a weekly streak.

You can have a monthly streak. IT doesn't have to be a daily streak. And after a certain point is actually counter tube like the the more into training, you go you're supposed to have rest days. You're supposed to have days where you do absolutely nothing.

And on days where you do absolutely nothing, let me tell you if you have a your moveing set IT like a thousand calories, like some people do, you're not going to a thousand calories of exercise or you should not get a thousand calories of exercise on a rest day. Especially when you're doing something like physically taxing, like any kind of race training and any kind of, especially if you're doing a marathon. Those rest states are really important because some people are out here and there and they're pounding the pavement with four hour long runs.

You're putting an incredible amount of stress on your body. Any athlete will tell you rest is incredibly important, and that's why so many athletes gravitate towards the loop, the grave, towards the oring because those are prioritizing rest. And everybody s in the industry for the past three, four years has been prioritising rest in some form and capacity.

So to have apple leg so far behind on that IT was just it's like the most glaring thing because the apple watch is the leader in the smart watch world. That IT is like the one that everyone points to. It's the one that's popular.

It's you know, apple does something with mark watches. Everybody follows. But the one thing that they really weren't doing for the longest time was sleep tracking. And then on top of sleep tracking, rest and recovery was just like closer rings or else.

yeah IT really IT could like medicine. And then the notification that really did me in was the one the next morning where you wake up and it's like, uh, you only close two rings yesterday. I would like, parenthesis you pathetic monster, let's try and do Better today and I get those when I don't wear my watch for a day and it's like, come on, watch like I just wasn't I didn't have this on and then I get to the point i'm like, I go for a walk and i'm not wearing the watch and obvious you have that feeling of like, oh, I didn't count because and and then it's like those of the moments from like, oh, this is no longer serving the purpose that I got this to serve for me yeah.

you know, I I have that exact experience this weekend. I forgot my watch when we, my friend and I went out to a park and then we went for a hike at the park and I was like, the entire time I had is like, it's not going to count. It's not going to count.

And I really hate that that's not going to count because this is a very Steve hill. I'm not getting credit for that, but that actually its super counter intuitive because I still did the hike. I still did the thing that was very good for of my body IT, just because the apple watch didn't acknowledge IT.

You know, like I think and I think we have to really examine what streets mean. So like before apple introduced the ability to pauses your paua rings, which I download the beta and i've used IT since. And I like really was just like, oh my god, this is this is such a nice feeling that i'm not getting punished for that. But before that, I would just every once in a while, once I got a streak up till, like ninety days, I would perfect.

purposefully break IT interesting for your own sanny.

just for my own sanny. And just to teach myself that like, the streak is not. The streak is not how I define my consistency.

Because like I can tell you, for the last six years, I haven't gone a week without running or some sort of physical exercise. So I would say that I am consistent in my fitness routine. But you know, life, and i'll get a little vulturous with everybody.

My life has not been super AR easy the last few years, just because i've had a lot of like circumstances, namely in my entire immediate family died like kind of one after another. And when you go through those life circumstances, the last thing you need is the apple watch going. You didn't close two of your rings yesterday.

What happened? And you're like, well, well, evil lodge, there was a funeral yesterday. That's what I did not go and train my little legs out because I was not having a good day that day.

So you know, I think having that flexibility, allowing that to be within the of a watch and then also have the other fitness features that they introduced, ed, like training load, which you does not knew. Governments had that for forever, all like the polar. I've had that forever. But I just like the acknowledged that there are going to be times where you should not push IT, where you should ease off the gas and that overall that will be good for you. Is is just like like, yes.

well, that that context is a really interesting way to think about all of the watch stuff. And like you said, I think the apple watch, we pay tention to IT more than most smart watches, but we should because IT, IT, IT is the ones sort of driving this whole industry in a lot of ways.

IT really feels like a sort of vibe shift in the apple watch from like how do we get you to do more and turn everyone into super athletes and and put more and more and more data into here. And there's still some of that, right? And like if you wanted know all of the tiny, tiny details of your body, like the watch is getting Better and Better at that. But at the same time, there is this recognition of like, okay, actually maybe the watches job as IT starts understand you Better is to help you not push you, and that those are not the same thing.

The struggle that every single smart watch fitness tracker has, that no other credit device has, is that IT is trying to affect behavioral change. And behavioral change is very difficult. We are very engrained in our habits and building a new habit doesn't actually I take twenty one days like some people say, I can take twenty one days IT could take sixty six IT could half a year.

So like building change like that, especially when it's musical activity and exercise, which is notoriously you know we are not like evolution has not made us crave exercise. If anything, evolution has made us crave the couch and a va potato chips because you know that's that's just how IT is. And so even though, you know, it's good for you, you know, there are people who love stress.

There are people who love game fiction. There are signs that game fiction does work to an extent. There are also people like me who are just like bundles les of anxiety and nerves and full of burnout.

The world is full of things that will make you burn out streak. For me personally, our source of burner, if I am chasing a streak. That is how i've gotten every single running injury in the past two, three years that I gotten off.

Injuries in N. S. IT has been trying to keep streak going sounder to like my kelton and or my cafe or whatever, saying, like we're a little out right now.

Could you take, could you take a break? Could you walk instead of going on a six mile on? And i'd be like, no body and I will have a streak to maintain. I wish they had just called IT like.

leave me alone. That's all I want from the activity thing is, every time IT sends a notification, one of the buttons should just be leave me alone and then it's it's just like, my bad, sorry, i'll leave alone and then he comes back the next day and it's like, recall. Now can we hang out like that? That's the relationship I want to have with my apple watch.

I mean.

same before we move on. Anything else about watch eleven that got you particularly excited live activities.

I think if you really fun and cool, I kind of want to see how well IT does cause IT really depends on the intelligence being able to tell or I suggest a really cool thing to you while the life activities are going. But i'm very curious to see how that plays out on .

on the rest yeah to get so okay competitor time. Uh, all of these, I would say, are the the ones trying to do android apple watches. They're going to be people who don't like that description.

but that is what is going on. What are do what is .

let's the pixels. So we got both some new stuff for the pixel launch two and some leaks for the pixel watch three. Uh, anything exciting for you in in pixel large land right now?

I think bigger pixel watch like the rumor is that is going to be called pixel watch excel. So I just I am praying for my future self in a video going the pixel a watch three excell of that's actually what they're calling IT. That's the mouthful.

But just in terms of that is the biggest complaint we had with the pixel watch two is that IT was only one size and ironically, IT was the smaller size. And so people like we want a bigger one when historically smart watch size complaints have been, this is too big, this is too bulky, make one smaller. So this is like an ongoing conflict that we've had.

But I think it's just kind of shows that you really can't do one size with all with more watches. So for them to have a bigger size, i'm stoked for people. I had a lot of readers just be like but I have a bigger ARM and the pixel watch looks stupid on IT and like, you know .

fair purely anette ally. I will say I see apple watch ultra everywhere like in much higher volume than I expected because it's it's a big watch, but I see them everywhere on people of all sizes and all fashion senses like the willingness to do the big watch, I guess, for extra battery and sextra features like way more of that than I expected when the ultra came out. Are you winning ultra right now?

That is an ultra too.

And you are not what I would call a large person.

I am not a larger, my very tiny bird rests. But what I will say is that I have been a matiz ed to really big watches a over the years wearing a lot of garments, some you kind of use to the weight at this point. But also my eyesight is so notoriously bad that people keep asking me like, why is your iphone on the largest front possible? Because I can't read well.

And the ultra has a giant tic. Scrut dei has made fun of me many times. He's like, you know, I can read everything on your apple watch. It's like, yes, yes, and you know what? So can I and that's the point.

That's dream. Yeah, that's the dream. No, I agree. I think I think the bigger pixel watch will be a Victory, if only again, because it's just more options.

And I feel like for me, the pixel watch a landed in the right zone. It's like about the size I want a smart watch to be. And I liked the round like I was very happy even with the first one.

But you're absolutely right that the only way to do this is to have lots of them because people are different. And it's like it's all the winter or when you get to glasses and will talk about that another day. But like this is just where we are now.

The other thing, the pixel watch, that is like a very small thing, but for me, as a wearable review I went, is the fact that car clashes detection is coming. Mixed watch too, because we don't have that on android yet. And I was like, this is the first time that we're going to have car crash detection on a smart watch and android.

And yes, yes, IT is so that I think is significant in the sense that, like you know, google will starting so far behind apple and so far behind samsung when the pixel watch was launched soon to be three years ago. So um a lot of the times when we get these new features, it's like ah it's it's been done already. And yes, that is true.

This is still true here, but the gap is getting smaller. And for me, i'm like, yes, finally, the gaffe is getting smaller and so excited about that. So like that's just like a tiny thing because amazon doesn't have car crash detection for its watches yet. So for google to be like, hey, we ve got this.

It's progress.

Yes, it's progress and i'm excited to see. It's just like a very small thing that i'm excited to see.

Yeah, no, it's it's a good one. I think you're right that google basically just systematically doing apple watch things is the correct thing to do, especially if then I can turn around to be like going out of the gym, man, I stuff. And we're onna finally figure out a fitbit, even though i've essentially given up on the possibility of the pit international, never making any sense.

You can see the path. This is the thing about the pig arch that drives me so crazy. You can see the path to IT being great.

And i'm i'm hopeful at least that google still seems to care about IT. So that's something. But the fit bit thing will .

never stop driving either of us crazy. No one can pray. One can pray.

yeah, that's enough for about a bit on this particular broadcast. Let's like what's same time for many? You route up same time.

It's the one with the new watch that was the news of, I think, last week. Now ah the galaxy watch F, E. Anything exciting? There is cheaper day for cheaper.

It's cheaper, which you know that's notable has the last two years we've seen Price increases for the base galaxy watched five and the sex because inflation, samsung not immune. And that was kind of sad at the time because of galaxy watch has historically been kind of competitively Price under prised for what IT is. So IT would just be like, yeah, you could get the base model for less than three hundred dollars and that's pretty, pretty solid.

And that's like not really the case anymore. It's I thought I believe it's about three hundred down for the base model. So to get the F E, which is one ninety nine and for the blue to the only version that's a solid two hundred dollar watch, which you know the the apple watch s is to fifty, so starting Price. So you're looking at that, you know let go OK OK.

But what IT really is, is that it's a rebadged galaxy watch for so that's kind interesting, I expect why so well, as you are getting the last and chip and I think once you kind of look at the picture like, oh, you're not really giving that much up, but at the same time, it's not that exciting because the the design is very similar. So what are we actually looking here? And we are looking at samsung, once again, throwing spaghetti the wall with its lineup and trying to fear out what the hell is gonna work.

And I think they're identifying very realistically that, you know, apple does kind of have a winning combination by having a entry level watch for kids and for elderly relatives. People use IT for having the base model and then just having this massive ultra for people who want the best test and the greatest and like imagining themselves to be hard core elite athletes, or maybe they are hard court elite athletes. And I think what we can tell from league so far as that, samsung very much aligning itself to kind of have the same lineup.

So we have the F E. now. And I think it's very telling that that's coming ahead of unpack because, uh, we're gona have the extensively the galaxy watch seven and then the galaxy watch ultra is I think the rumor name for IT is the squirrel looking thing from the league on the renders that we've seen. I don't think I like galaxy watch F E, galaxy watch ultra. I think we can point to the other company that they're kind of taking, let's say, inspiration from the .

little to there's just .

leaning into IT. I don't think it's a wrong. I think I think it's actually quite smart to kind of position themselves as, like you say, the android of the apple watch of android is kind of they're fashioning themselves as are just kind of leaning into that. Again, some people are going to be upset about. I don't think there really should be there .

are worse things to be at, at this particular room in time.

I think they're just kind of going I think this is what people want, will give them what they and then on top of that, we're expecting the galaxy ring. So that's one way that samsung can go like, ha ha, suck at google, suck at apple with something that you don't and it's a galaxy ring. And really i'm really stoked and excited to see what that's going to look like, especially says they preemptively .

sued when .

I talk about which okay， that's fun. Ah I just got a new smart ring in the male currently wearing three. Yes, i'm wearing three at the moment so i'll be wearing for a just to get like. So I know all the competitors when I have ever IT is and very excited to see how that goes down for ora because this is the this is the first time I think that they would ve had a competitor that could let's just be real, ed could really fuck up there.

You know, the thing that you've had for a long time, they've been going out and you this, the samsung case, the pattern case, they were just like, listen, you d not suit rank n you do not suit ultra human, you do not suit circular. That's the other one. And samsung just came out and like, yeah, we see what you're doing. You have this pattern of just suing people for doing what a smart ring all to deal. So we just want to preventively say that we're not infringing ing on your pattern so you can see us.

which is an amazing loss you to file by the very good .

I just can't wait to see what happens because doing that in a press for the other smaller company, I would be a little stress if I was ora. And you can tell they are stressed because they just keep dropping features. They keep coming out and really like we got this new thing and we got this other thing thing you can we can tell how older heart is now we can do this and we have science. And so i'm just really interested to see how that drama is gonna play out over the next few months.

Yeah, i'm really excited about the galaxy in particular. I think it's it's shaping up to be a pretty fun year for watches in that. I think to your point, we're going to have three pretty competitive lineups of smart watches if all of the leaks and have come true, which this is very exciting.

But I think the galaxy ring is going to be really the first like mainstream walk into an electronic store, and it's going to be honor shelf in front of you from a company you've heard of smart ring a. And I think that's very exciting. And for mote we've seen so far, IT seems to look nice and it's not human gest. That guy actually pretty high hopes for this thing. And I think if it's good, we might start to see this market take off pretty fast.

I I think that if IT is, I want to say, fifty percent as good as what the orring is, is bringing to the table with the convenience of just like integrating with your samsung products already. If I was ora, I would be scared.

V thank you is thanks .

for I agree.

right? We got to take one more break and then we're going to do a question for the forecast. How time.

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I'd love hearing from you. IT is my favorite thing. This week we have a question about the weather average.

This is Steve and I live in dallas, texas, where we've had a ton of weather this month. And once again, i'm looking outside at a understory m and my weather APP says its Sunny so the apple weather is just terrible and ever since apple boat blue sky, I have just been struggling for a good APP that doesn't sell my privacy.

So i'm wondering if the verge has a twenty twenty four recommendation on a good solid weather APP on the iphone that doesn't solve my privacy away. I to here, you on there. Thanks.

Steve. You have come to the right place. I am here to tell you. You have come to the right place. Liam James is here. Liam is IT fair to say you are the virtuous preez or not like that a fair accusation?

I would say I am doing my best to to fill the very large shoes of dance secret. But I I am very into the weather.

How's the weather station first? Well.

the weather station is doing great. Is still same batteries installed on the the roof of my new york city apartment building illegally, still sending a signal down in my weather station?

I love IT. So part of the reason I brought you on here is that I wonder if we are going to get to a point where we tell people that the best thing you should do in order to get a good forecast is installed the weather station on your roof like a mani act. Is this a reasonable recommendation you would give to people?

No, IT is a completely ridiculous situation. But what can I say? I love gadgets and all started with our father's day give guide. So really, I mean, we've created our own, our own problem to solve.

This is what we do. okay. So I have two things I want to talk about here. One is that, and I think you and I can agree on this, the single best and most important piece of advice that I can give you here is a website called forecasts adviser, which people don't know about and people should know about. You go and you plugged in either your zip code or your city in your state.

And I will tell you which of the many data sources that exists is most accurate historically for where you are. Do you use this? Liam, have you ever have you ever run this testing in yourself?

Oh, absolutely okay. I believe that was actually dancer ed who introduced me to this. But yeah, it's not the APP so much as IT is the source data your APP is pulling from. yes.

So okay, let just let's just do this life for our body, Steve here. So will go go to forecasting visor that come we tape in dallas, texas where IT is currently as we are recording this ninety five degrees. Steve am so, so sorry.

And what this says is that for the last month, so may twenty twenty four, the N. W. S, the national weather service digital forecast was the most accurate data source at seventy one point eight six percent of forecasts.

A low number says a lot about forecasts that the best one is only seventy one percent accurate. There are three here. There are all basically identical.

They're all seventy one point something percent accurate. It's the national either service, the weather channel and areas weather, and then IT goes alit down to you. Like the reason this is good as, let's see, there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten other ones. And the one of all the way the bottom, which is called persistence, was only rate forty five point seven one percent of the time. So this is like you are looking at a weather forecast that is literally only half accurate.

I believe the current apple built in weather abuses the weather channel, if i'm correct, what what was the score for the weather channel? And dallas, texas.

So that second on the list here at seventy one point five one percent second .

at seventy one percent, yeah, it's tough.

What was interesting about this though is one of the things that forecasts advisor shows, I think, and I am extrapolating a little with here. But if you look at IT over the last year, and again, we're still don success. Microsoft, I don't know what is just as microsoft, which is apparently a weather source, was at eighty four percent at the time.

So what IT seems like is what we just had in may might have been like an extra voluted month of weather, especially in dalai taxi. But like, let's let's look where you are. You're in new york.

York for you is the weather channel is number one, eighty three point six percent. So yes, dallas just has some monkey weather. Go on, everybody struggling with dallas.

Yeah, it's usually, in my experience, because abused to the service in many cities. And the national weather service is not usually your top pick for you.

The national weather service is like fully half down the list.

Yeah, it's it's I was surprised to see that be the topic for dallas. But yeah, it's it's not the air using so much that is the source. Some of the more nerdy weather apps will allow you to pick from a list of sources. I use the earliest of all IOS weather apps, such as carrot weather and IT. IT has a list of IT looks like almost a dozen sources here for me to choose from.

So care was one of the ones I was gona bring up because IT is a beloved APP. And it's also, I would say, like you said, maybe the wanchee st of weather apps just in terms of lake, the amount of stuff that you can see if you want to. I don't use Carrier personally, but you, I would assume as a giant whether or d love IT very much yeah I mean.

I think a lot of people use carrot weather because IT was the first out of the gate without a watch support. But i've stuck with IT because they add so many niche nerdy features, like being able to pick your sources, but also just like completely customized the layout for what you want, things that i'm constantly wanting to see you are, uh, the humidity percentage and also just like the U V index because is wildly swings in new york city. And so kind good to know when you should probably put some sunscreen on because you're onna get to across p when you go outside .

totally and that's actually another good customization point that not only is the data source really important, but knowing which parts of the forecasts you care about, like everyone where was in california turning all the wildfires, the air quality and next became very important yeah. And so that was then like a thing that I paid a lot of attention to in the forecasts.

And having something where you can surface that into either like the home screen over over or even like a widget on your home screen, goes a really long way because glaize sibling is the whole thing, right? Like you should not have to spend forty five seconds in your weather APP to get a sense of, what do I need to know before I go outside. So that's very good.

And Carry does do that very well. Care IT, we should say also just got a big update that people are very excited about. I I that's a pretty good place to start.

is a really good weather APP. Yeah, it's a great weather APP they just really the new update that again allows war ization of the of that like main screen you see when when IT comes out. I think there's a few other odds ends goods that were in there.

My back up weather APP is just about the nerdish one you can get IT IT is called ambient weather, and IT connects over the internet to that weather station you are asking me about earlier. So I have a weather station on my roof that reads all the weather information that you could possibly want. This APP allows me to access that weather station from anywhere. So regardless where I am, I can pull up the same information that's on the cute little L, C, D screen that's on my desk. So that's my back of weather APP.

That's pretty good. I did a big tour of weather apps maybe a year ago there. A lot of good ones out there are honestly like especially if if is somebody who really likes to see like weather news and you want to keep up on sort of weather more broadly, the weather channel APP has actually gotten a lot Better over time and is actually pretty good now.

They did a big redesign, I think, earlier this year. It's still kind of too much for my taste, but it's very good at but what I landed red on is and I called hello weather, which I would say is a lot like care IT, but just kind of less. It's very design. They have a very, very beautiful widgets.

But my thing is, IT has this incredibly good kind of glens ble hour by our forecast, which I discovered is the only thing I ever actually care about is just like I wake up in the morning, when is IT going to be hot? When is he going to rain the end? Like, especially for where we are, those the only two questions that ever really matter.

And hello, weather, like care IT lets you pick from a bunch of different sources. So I did the forecasts advisor thing. I went through.

I picked the most accurate or for me and at that point is just about kind of aesthetics, right? Like all the da is the same. And there's just something about this sort of cleanliness of hello, whether that I have come to really like.

So the the biggest question I have about this APP the hour by our weather data is IT the feels like temperature or is that the actual temperature?

Believe that such a good question. It's such a good question. I am so good. IT is the actual temperature, which is the wrong answer. IT should be that feels like temperature.

But what IT gives you at the top is it'll show you the actual temperature and big letters and then right into the the feels like temperature. So right now is recording this is is eighty seven degrees IT feels like a hundred cool love summer twenty twenty four. But IT doesn't give you that hour by hour, and I would argue that I should.

But what I like that IT gives you is a sort of running change in what matter. So when it's not going to show the U. V index in the in the bar graph, but when it's gonna in, need to show you the pacification amount per hour.

So the hour forecast actually shifts based on what is most likely to happen. So on sunday day, like today, the IT tells me the U V index. So they've just done a bunch of very clever things. And again, all of this is dependent on the data source to be accurate. But i've gone and figured out which data source is is most accurate.

And so now I have this thing, the one thing I hate about hello weather is that each data source spews different text, so they all have this structure data that just flows into the APP, but then they all will also have a description of the forecast. And the data source that I picked is active weather, which at least the last time I was most accurate for where I am, pumps out these really long, sort of unhelpful, stupid things, like this one just says, partly Sunny and hot semicon a thunderstorm and spotts late this afternoon semicon hot to stay. So far this year's semicon stay hydrate semicon storm can bring small hail and damaging winds that all comes directly from active weather and is just a noxious. And I found other ones that are much nicer written summer funny. I hate active weather, but that's not hello, whether fault into here we are.

Yeah, that's really weird. Yeah.

but it's a very good APP and that is really good widgets. So I just I have a widget that I can just swap over and IT shows me the hourly and that is most of how I track my weather. And I like IT very much, but basically, I think the way to start is to figure out which data source you care about and then figure out which apps support that data source and then just kind and then you're like looking at the most, is that a productive way to put IT? Yeah absolutely.

If you don't travel a lot, maybe you find your weather source and just download that weather sources APP. But if you do travel a lot, you're gonna to up like the one David and I are talking about, where you can go in and set the source that is most accurate for where you are in the world.

Yeah, agree. Don't use apple weather. I like up whether less and less as time goes on. There are lots of Better ones out there. And I will say a bunch of them cost money, but most of them will cost very much money. And I think for as often as I check our weather APP know, ten or twenty boxy year seems pretty easily worth IT.

Yep, totally agree.

sweet. right? We am. Thank you. Is always, of course, go back to wether station.

I will.

All right. That is IT for the verge cast today. Thank you to everyone who is on the show today, and thank you, as always, for listening.

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