E925 – Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa
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JoJo, welcome. Welcome back. Welcome back. Hi, Nick. Hi, Natalie. How are we? We're so great. We're so like just excited to see you. I'm so excited too. Obviously just like as our friend to like get back into the States and like I feel like we would get together anyways. But then here we are after you decided to blow up your brother and make it a worldwide international event. We really made a stamp over there.

I was telling you before we started, I don't know why I was shocked because you did something about you. The spotlight finds you. It's like the internet finds you. They don't hold back on me. We know of Big Brother, Big Brother UK, Slipper UK. We know it well, but I've never seen people talk about it the way they've been talking about it this season. And it's all centered around you. Thank you.

Thank you. That means a lot. That's actually what the producers and production was saying about the show. They were like, we've never seen an impact like this one. I think it was just the perfect concoction of things. You know what I mean? And I think really, I know you guys have gotten to see the side of me that's like...

You know, normal. Yeah, that's that's. And so I think you've gotten to see that normal side. And I think I've really, like, not intentionally hid that side of me, but almost didn't know how to be public with that side of my life. You know what I mean? Like, I always felt like I had to be super, you know, Jojo Suified. And I love I love being super Jojo Suified. That is a very real side to me. But

I also do live normal, believe it or not. I don't have crazy Ninja Turtle makeup on my face with that bar eye mask every single day. So I think it was a really great way to kind of share that for the first time because it was out of my control and people just got to see it candidly. So it was cool to be in the UK and have people love it so much. It was getting out was a trip. Were people like shocked to even see you on the show? I remember you had been talking to me

For a bit. A year ago. Yeah. Like a long time. It was in October that I got like the initial meeting. Yeah. And I was surprised to hear you talking about it, but like you were dead set on doing it from the beginning. It wasn't like- It wasn't a question. It's something you wanted to do. You were very invested, very excited about it. Like what made you so interested in doing this in the first place? I don't know. I think I just love like-

This sounds good. I just love doing things. And like, I think because I grew up on reality TV, that kind of feels like a home. You know what I mean? And I love a challenge. I love a game. I always say to like, I love the people that I meet. And I always kind of know whenever I do a show like this, you know, you come out with somebody who was destined to be in your life. And so I'm always curious of like, who that will end up being. Like with Forces, it was obviously you and Tyler. With Dancing with the Stars, it was my best friend Ezra and Jenna, my bro. Like there's

So that's always a fun thing to kind of like for me to look forward to. But I think I just love doing something that's different. And I think it'd be crazy to say no to something like Big Brother. It's just like, it's cool. You know what I mean? Like, I'm a fan of it. So I'm like, why would I not? What did you enjoy more? What was harder, Special Forces or Big Brother? It's, they're so different. They're so different because Forces is grueling, right? It's tiring. It's exhausting.

you don't know what you're doing. On Big Brother, you also don't know what you're doing. But Forces is very stressful, right? You're out of everything you know, which is similar. You're eating different, which is similar. But with Forces, it's very like, oh, I could lose my life today. And you really think about that. You know what I mean? Or like, oh, I'm genuinely being a bit tortured right now. And you really think about that. Whereas Big Brother, it's like,

The torture man is wearing a cat costume for 12 hours and it's like silly. You know what I mean? But like the same way that it's very real, but instead of hearing number three battery change, you're hearing housemates, new batteries are in the hatch. Please replace. You know what I mean? So it's like, they're very similar. I think personally for myself,

because I'm in this week, I would say Big Brother. I liked doing more. I think I, as much as I learned about myself on Forces, I think I learned way more about myself, my life, changes I wanted to make in my life on Big Brother. I think because it was just longer.

And instead of having your brain be like, oh my God, I'm going to die. Oh my God, do I want to be here? My brain was thinking like so many deep thoughts about my life. And so it was, I don't know, it was just kind of an interesting feeling. But give me a year when both are far out of distance and I wouldn't know what my answer would be. No, it makes a lot of sense hearing, I mean, I haven't done Big Brother, but I have done Forces with you. And like you said, I mean, there's a literal survival element to Forces that like the literal premise of the show is to like deplete-

Everything. Everything. Resources, food. Just strip you down. Strip you down and see what you can run on with like limited capacity. Where again, I haven't done Big Brother, but it does seem like the structure is really a lot more like. It's brighter. It's brighter, isolated, but like, and so this time to reflect, you know, and just time to just sit or like, there was no time to sit around and reflect with forces. It was like literal survival. So very different in terms of, I didn't like reflect on my life. And

And Forces is meant to break you, whereas Big Brother's meant to, like, you're meant to have fun. Like, the whole thing, the whole welfare team is like, you're going to have the best time. Enjoy it. It's 20 days. It's also much longer than Forces was. But yeah, it's exactly that. Did you go in, like, with any expectations or, like, an idea of what you wanted to get out of it? Or was it just like you said, like, sounded fun. I want to do something. Yeah. Let's fucking do it. I don't know. I think the expectation that I went in

in with was just like, yeah, it's going to be 20 days, right? I think honestly the biggest thing that was different for me is I really thought I was going to miss home. I really thought I was going to be like feeling like, oh, I'm in a foreign country. I don't know anybody. I feel very lonely. I miss my family. I miss my dog. I miss my house. I was kind of thinking all of those things going in and I was really like amping up like, oh, I'm going to miss this. But then I think it just immediately was

so fun and the people were so lovely right away. And then like, you know how normally like you meet people right away and then it kind of like wears off? Like with 90% of the people, it never wore off. You know what I mean? Like it was, everyone was genuine from the beginning. And so I think I got

lucky being surrounded by a beautiful group of people in the house. I definitely didn't think it was going to be as like intense as it is because you like, you see us doing like the pirate task, right? And I don't know how much of it you watched or not, but we did this big pirate task where we had a pirates. I was a captain, yada, yada, yada. That starts at

9 a.m. and we finished the pirate task at 2 a.m. and you're like in costume you're like it's intense that was the longest one because that was the day that Mickey got evicted and so like they had to like have some meetings quick so we kind of got like backburnered in the house literally there was like three or four hours where we were like so what are we doing like nothing's happened no movement from Big Brother like everyone just like

keep watch, I guess. Like, hopefully no enemy ships come because that's what we had to watch for. But we were clearly just in, like, a holding period. But we didn't know that. But then, yeah, like, the family task, it's, like, 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. Like, everything is so... You would think it'd be like, okay, put on your cat costume for two hours, let's get a little, and then, like, take it off. No.

No, no, no. It's all day long. And that's like, they do the timestamps in the show, but it like still like, it doesn't translate to genuinely how long it is. And like yesterday I was watching an episode and they put in my dance challenge and I had to dance to like power up the house. And they put it in for two minutes and I was livid.

I was like, there's absolutely no way. My mom was like, what? And I was like, you think I was that exhausted after dancing for two minutes? And my mom was like, I mean, yeah, you were going for it. Did you feel like I felt when they showed me carrying Tom Sandoval? No, exactly that feeling. Exactly that feeling. Because I was like, I was dancing for 20 minutes.

20. It was like, okay, 20 is dramatic. I won't be dramatic. I'll say 17. Like 17 minutes. Like I'm not being dramatic when I say 17. I was being dramatic when I said 20. That's a lot. But I think 20 is fine. Thank you for being honest. Yeah. Thank you for being honest. So down to earth right now. Yeah. Let's talk Mickey. Okay. Let's talk. That was wild. Are we calling him Voldemort? We call him Voldemort. We call him 50-50. 50-50? Yeah. He always used to do this thing. We'd be like, Mickey, did you sleep good? 50-50. Mickey, are you having fun? 50-50.

First of all, what is your knowledge and history of Mickey work? Absolutely nothing. Really? I had no clue who he was. And he was the only person that walked in without a name tag. So I didn't know him at all. And I had to say, what's your name? And he said, Mickey. And I said, okay, cool. Nice to meet you. I had zero clue. Was anyone in the house kind of like,

Oh, my God. Yes. Honestly, I think everybody else. I don't know about Ella. I don't know how much she knew about him, but everybody else knew who he was, loved him, honestly, initially. Like when you pulled him in for the train when he walked in. The conga line. Oh, my God. Dear Lord. That...

Now... Okay. Honest to God, now knowing Mickey and knowing the way he is and knowing what he's down for and what he's not down for, I am flabbergasted that he got into that conga line. I'm flabbergasted. I'm flabbergasted he showed up. No, also that we...

I have a theory and it's just a theory. I think production told him, but I don't think he listened. And then I think he listened to this person in his life named Dima. And Dima is his quote unquote best friend, but it sounds more so as Dima's maybe an employee. Yeah, Dima's the name. Can we look up Dima? Yeah, probably. I'm sure he's apparently always with him. So I'm sure he's very- Dima's a man. I believe so, yes. But yeah, he was very open about conversation with Dima. So I wouldn't expect it to be a secret at all. Anyways- I'm just wondering if he's like a public-

publicist or manager? I think, I mean, he's, I said, how often do you get to see Dima? And Mickey said, I see him every Monday through Friday, nine to five. Okay. And so I'm pretty sure Dima is like an employee. He's reluctant from nine to five. Honestly, I will say a piece of me kind of did feel for Mickey a little bit because he got out on Saturday. And so I knew he got out on Saturday and like, as he should, like, I don't feel bad for him getting evicted or kicked out because he needed to be, but

He got out on a Saturday and I knew he went out to nobody. And I knew he wasn't going to have Dima until Monday. And like a part of me did feel like, sorry for him. I think he's a messed up man. And there's no excuse. Did you take his comments? Well, how did you take his comments? Because it's like... What was the first thing that he said to you that kind of was like, okay, we'll go from the way beginning. He was just bizarre. It's a great way to put him. He's just bizarre. He's a character. He's like, what is he doing?

Everybody picks their bed. He goes to the couch or Mickey. Why are you doing on the couch? Oh, I haven't slept in a bed in 52 years. I only sleep on couches. Okay, cool shits everywhere. You know what I mean? Like he's just he's just put shit ever. He didn't shit everywhere. I mean up to my knowledge. He may have shit everywhere and someone else cleaned it, but no he put his shit everywhere. He put his shit on my bed. I had I honestly worked for like an hour to work up the courage to be like, hey, can you take your stuff off my bed, please? But I was like, I shouldn't feel bad about it was a mess. Anyways, he was just bizarre.

And then he turned the next day is when things got a little like,

When he went into the prize room, he said to me, he said, I got you the best prize of all, but you can't know it yet. And so I was like, that was like our first kind of interaction. What do you think his, sorry for interrupting, but what do you think his knowledge of you was? I think absolutely nothing. I think absolutely nothing. Honest to God, I heard he got interviewed at the airport by TMZ and they said, what do you think of JoJo? And he said, who? No, I know that, but that did not seem genuine. I saw that interview and it seemed like he was trying to...

Yeah. Oh, no, I I can guarantee that if I saw him on the street and I said, Mickey, he'd go, oh, hi, sweetheart. You want a picture? Like he would not know who I am. I can guarantee you. OK. And I would say genuinely same thing about everybody on the show. Like he wouldn't maybe daily. He might remember daily. But is that because he's just like so in his own world? He's very in his own world, in his own head. He walks on this line and it's Mickey's line. And that's it. That's where it ends.

Anyways, what was the original? He said he got you the best prize of all. Yes. And so that was kind of our first interaction. And then his prize was he got me into the prize room. And that was honest. I was stoked about that. But truthfully, I think he only did that because the people he gave prizes to was me. He picked me and Christopher. But when he picked Christopher, I guess he said the Australian with pretty eyes. And they were like, there's not an Australian here. And there's a few people with pretty eyes. And so he was like, you know, like the one with. And so then they named off Chris. And then he was like, yeah, yeah, Chris.

And then with me, I think he just was probably like the annoying girl. You know what I mean? Like that's, I haven't seen that part. So I don't know what he said, but anyways, so that was our first interaction. And then the next day he brushes his teeth in the sink. I tried to help him be like, Hey, there's a big bathroom. Cause he just didn't see the bathroom. And so I was very genuine about that. And he didn't want anything to do with it. I was like, oh good. And then he wanted to know where the cigarette room was. And he asked me, and so I took him out there and it's like, it's an off camera cigarette room. There's a microphone in there and you can't get out of the house through there. But

You can go in there to have a smoke and then come right back out. It's a black box. It's four by four. It's nothing. Anyways, so then you come out of the cigarette room and that's when he goes back over. And he's sitting and it's like me and Michael are sitting over on the benches. And then it was Mickey, Christopher, Jack. I think Ella may have been there in the beginning or not. I don't really know. But I know it was Chris and Jack.

And that's when he made his first smart remarks. And I believe the first ones that he said was the lesbian over there. And like, you don't really want to like point somebody out as the lesbian until like it just was genuinely giving him heads up. It does not offend me at all. But like just like feels aggressive. But it just is like other people are going to just like don't say that. You know what I mean? Just like just a heads up. Don't say that. Like it's it's all good to me. No bad blood there. But like just a heads up. Yeah.

Anyways, so then he said that and then he doubled down on it. Who are you going to vote for? The lesbian. And I was like, Mickey, like you really you cannot vote me because I'm a lesbian. Now you're being crazy. And then he made a joke using the F slur. And that was when actually I was like, whoa, I don't want really much to do with this man right now.

and then that's when Chris stepped in and it's interesting because Chris now if he didn't step in I'd be like come on you know find it but then we didn't know each other nobody knew each other it was still it was day essentially one in the house like it's nobody wants to do anything nobody wants to say anything no one wants to stand up to make you rock and so for him to do that and stand up not only for me in that moment but for the entire LGBTQ community and say hey like you really can't say that like

And you're just, you're fighting for right versus wrong. And so I, Chris took that away. And then that's when Mickey made a sexually inappropriate comment to me. And like... At any point did like, did it feel like Mickey was willing to listen or just like acknowledge that like he said something inappropriate? Whether, you know, maybe it's a lot of the comments was like, he's like an old ignorant man. Yes. But it did seem like after Chris talked to him, it was like, is he ignorant or is he just...

Is he doing things to egg people? So there was... Let me get there. Let me get there because it gets there and it gets there quickly. So long story short, then Mickey gets called into the diary room and told like, hey, you can't say that, right? And in that diary room, he came out and...

And he said in the diary room, like, I didn't mean to offend. I'm sorry. Like, all good. And really quick, the sexual remark was him being like, if you were with me, you were a lesbian or something. Yeah. And then he said, I'll tie you up or something. And then I was like, I'll relax. I'll tie you up. Like, try me if I dare you to. You know what I mean? Like.

you may be strong, but baby, I'm mighty. You know what I mean? This is all coming from a guy you know nothing about. Yeah. Don't know what he represents. Don't know his background. You've known for a day. But I also have exactly kind of what you were just talking about. And like the story does lead there. But just to reiterate, like or to, I guess, start the statement of like,

I also understand he is just an older guy that grew up in Hollywood. He might just be a little bit of a weirdo and I might just have to tolerate it and all good. You know what I mean? And that's kind of the approach I took. Like, look, this is weird. This is creepy. I don't like it. He's gross, but like, I'll figure it out. Like, it'll be fine. I'm not, I'm going to be okay. But what happened was in the diary room, he actually said, and I saw this last night when I watched, he said, you know, I didn't, I didn't have any ill intent, whatever. We don't hear about those diary room chats. So I have no idea of any of that. So then he comes out into the kitchen and

And he comes up to me and I told him, I was like, I was going to tell him because everybody, you know, encouraged me to like be like little...

start to explain why you know he can't do that just to like make amends almost but so he knows why you're feeling an hour branch yeah yeah and so I did and he wanted nothing to do with it he said you're gonna kick a dog while it's down I was like no oh my god no like that's not the point at all I just wanted you to know like where I was coming from then that's when Chris stepped in again because I was very shaken up at that point and Chris was like no man like just like she's just trying to like say her feelings whatever

And then Mickey was like, well, I don't really care about your feelings and all this didn't make it. And so that's what really tipped me over the edge is he then said to me, I knew what I was saying and that's why I said it. I wanted to offend you. I knew it was going to offend you and that's why I wanted to do it. I like poking at a bear and none of that made it.

So that conversation. And then he said to me something along the lines of like, I knew it would offend you. So that's why I said it. And so then I stood up at the chair and I was like, why would you want to say something that you think would offend me? Very chill. Cause I was sitting, he was standing and he said to me, he said, oh, so now you're going to stand up and attack me. And I sat right back down. I was like, no, like not, no, not my point at all. I just wanted to have a conversation with you. And he said, I don't want to have a conversation with you. And he walked away and that's what shook me up. And then that's when I went outside, took a second,

That's when Chris really comforted me. And so there was, look, they have to get a lot into 42 minutes. And so I'm not upset that that didn't make it to air. I don't care. Like it was my experience and what happened. But that's when I really broke. I went into the diary room. I broke down, talked to Big Brother. I honestly, I told Big Brother, like, I don't really feel safe around him. Like this is very scary. Now my bed was next to his. Chris did say to me, like, I'll swap you beds. So that way, like there's a gap between you two. So we did that. I talked to Big Brother about that, whatever.

But then I realized something. I realized that I can make an example out of this situation. Whether it be a good example or a bad example, I can make an example. And so I was like, all right, here we go. I'm going to make it my mission to realize where he's coming from and make him realize where he's coming from and make him realize. And so I wanted to honestly...

become friends with him. And I wanted to talk to him about his childhood. And I wanted to talk to him about why he's this way, why he isolates himself, where this all stems from.

And we did have some good conversations. He wanted to learn a lot more about the community. We had conversations about literally straight up words that are on limits and words that are off limits within different minorities. We had conversations about baseball, about cruise ships, about his childhood. We had so many conversations. And I genuinely think he just

has not had someone talk to him about anything normal in so long. And I think he was messed up as a child. And I think that's coming out now. And I think that came out in the fight with Christopher. And I think

Like he's, he's not a good man. And I will, I will stand behind that. And he's, he's gross and he's creepy and he doesn't know right from wrong, but he's also a hurt man. And I can have sympathy for him being a hurt man while also not condoning his behavior. And I think once we finally got there and I realized that was a situation like, yeah, I will say I feel sorry for him, but I will also say he's not a good guy. And I just,

See you later. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, I mean, thank you for sharing that story. I'm always like, I, you know, when, obviously, you know, I love you as a friend and your family, but you know, when people talk about you on the internet and you're out there and you're doing these shows and people have commentary, like I'm always quick to like, my first like defensive view is always like, she's 21. Like she's figuring out life.

I love that defense. But like sometimes, like, and that's just such a broad, high level statement, but like why I was drawn to you in the first place, why we are even able to be friends at the stages in life that we're in. Yeah. Is that you like, you have just an incredible like maturity and you're grounded in ways that you would never expect Jojo Siwa to be grounded. And I'm, you know, I just always like, I've always appreciate the way you handle adversity in situations where you're

There are a lot of people who never get to that stage of enlightenment, emotional enlightenment that you're at already in life, let alone as a 21 year old. I think of it as like gentle parenting, any sort of situation of conflict. I think about gentle parenting, the conflict and the person that it's with. So like, you know, like get to his eye level.

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Should we talk about Chris? I would love to talk about Chris. All right. Where does he fall on the Tyler, me, no, I'm kidding. Yeah.

No, I literally, while I was there, I was like, I cannot say he is like my favorite person to come out of a show because I have two other boys that I love so very much. I'm pretty sure I'm third, but it's fine. You know, I do love you so much, Nick. Listen, I'm the friend that, you know. No, I would. I'm the tough love friend. You know, honestly, I'll be straight up. I'll be straight up.

You all three are very different to me. Just because you are the three straight men in my life, you are all three so different to me. Our dynamic is very different. The conversations we have are very different. The conversations I have with you, the conversations I have with Ty, and the conversations that I have with Chris are honestly conversations that I wouldn't have the conversations I have with Chris with you and you with Tyler and Tyler with you and Tyler with Chris. You know what I mean? Like I wouldn't.

It's so very different. Did you know that Chris came from Love Island, UK? I knew he was on Love Island, UK because my brother's fiance was a big fan of the show and gave me a heads up on him. And I, yeah, I knew of him. I never watched the series though. Someone in my life told me about his viral sound, Sit Down, I'm Sat. I did use that against him once in the house, but I actually didn't. I didn't know it because he was...

He said to me, he was like, take a seat. And I was like, I'm sad. And I didn't, I did not, like I wasn't consciously doing it. But it was a really funny moment because he was like, did you just use my line against me? And I was like, on accident, really on accident, I did. But yeah, so I knew of him, but I didn't know him.

anything beyond Chris. He was on love Island. You know what I mean? I, I didn't even know what he looked like to be fair when he walked in and I saw the name tag, Chris, I was like, Oh, that's the one from love Island. You know what I mean? I mean, was it the confrontation with Mickey and him standing up for you that first like drew you to him as someone that like, Hey, this is, this is a person being a friend in this moment to me. And then you kind of leaned in. It's interesting. I feel like everything in your life happens for a reason. And Mickey doing that definitely, um,

kick-started, you know, Chris and I's friendship. And I don't know, I think, you know, by luck, Chris was there. I don't know what it would have looked like if anybody else was there in that moment, what anybody else would have said, but it worked out exactly the way it was supposed to. And then I think that moment outside, what I really needed was a hug. You know what I mean? And I, but it's day one. You can't ask for a hug from anybody. Also, like, in my head, I'm like, it's day one. Don't cry. Well, you know what I mean? And so,

Chris could see that on my face and he could see that I wasn't okay. And we didn't know each other. And it was just, it was a moment and it felt very safe and very comforting. And then, yeah, when he swapped me beds, that meant a lot as well. Because I was like, this feels nice. You know what I mean? Like it felt very protective. And like, I actually put trust into him being like, yeah, actually he would, you know, pop him if he got up, you know? And I felt that. And then, yeah, just day by day. I mean, you're...

it's such an accelerated environment, right? Like you are spending 24 hours together every single day. There's no other people. There's no outside contact. There's three rooms you can escape to. And so like you have to make

make your own fun. You have to get along. You have to have a good time. You have to, you know, be sad at times, but then find it and be happy. And I think what really brought Chris and I together is we're so similar. And like by virtue, we were next to each other at night. I think our energies are just so similar. Our wanting to have fun, our desire to have fun, our desire to be happy, our desire to make others feel good. You know, our desire to work out, our desire to just like, there's just so many things that like,

One day he balled up a pair of socks and was like, JoJo, think fast and threw it at me. And I caught it. And I was like, dude, we could play catch with this. And he was like, we could. So we started throwing back and forth. And he was like, wait, we need to make it better. And I was like, here, wrap my hair tie around it. It'll be like an actual ball. And then we made an actual ball and we were playing catch for hours. Just like little by little, we just started to kind of get closer. And then we made up a dance together. And then we spent a lot of our time whenever we were bored, we'd be like, let's go rehearse. And then it was just always a laugh, always a good time.

But I knew we were really close when, honestly, it was pretty early on. It was the first Saturday. And I was laying, we were laying in bed and like our beds were obviously next to each other. And I was looking at him and something was wrong. And I didn't know what, I don't know him. I've known him since Tuesday. But I could just, I could see that something was wrong. And so I asked him, I said, are you okay? And he was like, and I was like, are you,

It's okay. Like you can, you know, like if you need to talk, like, I know we don't know each other, but like, it's actually the same thing. I don't know if you remember this, but on forces, when I told you, I was like, remember when we were in the, we were in the accommodations room and it was the day that you were getting your first ultrasound and you were going crazy. And I was like, talk to me, pretend I'm Natalie, pretend I'm your brother, pretend I'm your mom, like pretend I'm somebody like talk.

And I said a similar thing to Chris. I was like, talk to me. Like, pretend I'm whoever you need me to be, but talk. And he essentially was saying that, like, something that's very similar to what I feel in life, which is, you know, I feel like I'm always on and I love being on and I love having energy and I love, you know, making others feel good and I love being silly and I love having fun. But I also love recharging. And here in this environment, you know, there is no recharge station. You're always, you're always going. And I just feel very drained right now. And I feel like sad for a second.

And I didn't want to make it about me in that moment at all. So I kept it on him. But I was like, damn, I feel that exact same thing, but I've never been able to formulate it. And so that was a moment that I really realized like, oh, we're similar. You know what I mean? And then that was a moment when I realized like, oh, I understand him very well. And then for me, I mean, he was there for me in my lowest lows in the house. Always. I was having loads of realizations in the house that I didn't want to speak about. But

you could see it in my energy and you could see it in my tone and my body language. And he was there for me throughout all that without talking through it. And same for him. And then our happiest, our highest of highs came from each other as well. So it was just, it was a perfect recipe to make a best friend. Were you aware of

Of the conversations that people are having about you and Chris and the speculation. On the outside world. On the outside world. Not a clue. I mean, you have no clue what's going on in the outside world. I asked the diary room every single day, has Katy Perry made it back from outer space? That's what I cared about. And they're like, JoJo, we cannot tell you outside information. I was like, it's irrelevant. You blinked and she was back. Yeah, literally. But I was like, come on, it's irrelevant. The internet was very bad at her. Really? Yeah. Why? Why?

Not to make it about Katy Perry, but give you the 10 second version. Because she kind of like made the whole thing about...

every time she talked about it, it was like, oh, I'm like wearing glam to outer space. And she like just kind of made it like silly. And then. Like it took away from her. It wasn't just Katy Perry they were mad at. The whole production of it. But because then they tried to come out and say like, oh no, this is about like empowering like young girls. And it was like, well, then if it was about that, then you should have highlighted, you know, the women who were on there who have studied this their whole life. But instead you like made it about glam and you made it about like

She like kissed the ground when she landed and like brought back a daisy. And she just kind of made it like a meme.

You know what's kind of fascinating when you think about Katy Perry and what I've got to know about you? It's like we live in this weird time where, you know, being an out-of-touch celebrity is like not in vogue. It's not cool right now. It's not cool. It's not cool. It's like, you know, there is a balance of... People like genuine right now. Yeah, genuine, yeah. It's beautiful. I mean, they always have to a certain degree, but like, yeah, it's just not the time to be a... Because you see so much now of everybody. Well, yeah, and just to like come... And then to like...

fake, you know, like, you know, I think because some celebrities are, you know, again, through no fault of their own, have just been so privileged and so like put on a pedestal for so long, they don't even know how to be normal or how to relate or bring themselves down to a level of a fan, which is again, like one of my favorite things about you is it's like, I, you know, I knew who you were when I met you and I certainly knew like, you know, like,

your Instagram followers, I knew you were a big deal. Go on, hype me up. It's like, you know, you really are world famous and it's, but like, it's so just, but you don't, yeah, that is what's crazy. You're so just normal when I'm with you, you're really normal. Like, you know, it's weird when you're driving with your face on a car around, you know, that's not normal. Don't have that anymore. The human, the human Jojo Siwa,

It's very, you know how to be relatable. Yeah, thank you. You know how to be JoJo Siwa. I'm very lucky. I have a good family. That keeps me. I don't know if a lot of people know that about you. I don't know. I don't know what the public perception of you is with your fans. Honestly, I think zero prior to doing Big Brother. Okay. And now I think post Big Brother, almost 100% is crazy. It is. I mean, you do have like this.

I mean, I remember you like FaceTiming my niece and being like, tell me about your dance competition. And like you just like you care about people in a way that I don't think any other celebrity with your following, with your fame would care about people. And I think that does make you more like human. Thank you. It's something that like I think I've been around the opposite so much that it actually makes me...

cringe when I see the opposite. And I have people in my life that are similar. And it's, I don't know, it's an energy that I love to surround myself with because it's hard, right? But I also like, I love that people want to say hi. I love that people want to ask me for good luck on their dance recital. Like that's adorable. If I was her age and I got to do that with Hannah Montana, my life would be, I remember going to Miley Cyrus' banger store and I handed her a t-shirt.

I still think about it to the day. I still question like, I wonder if she remembers me handing her that t-shirt. And like,

It's funny because Miley and I now have met and we have, you know, hung out and it's like... Have you ever asked her about that? Oh, so what? I showed her the video. And like, obviously she's on the bangers tour. Like she does not remember me at age nine giving her a t-shirt. But it's just funny. You said that you like learned a lot about yourself throughout this process. What was the first thing that kind of like triggered a realization? Oh, man. Ooh, this is actually kind of hard to answer because I don't...

necessarily know the first, but I remember an early on. I remember, I'll just share. I remember looking at my photo and because everyone was looking at their photo and, you know, Jack had his partner, Chris had his dog, Mickey had his dogs, Chesney had his family. Everyone had their photo and I had mine as well. And it was, it was a group photo with a load of people in it. But I remember looking at it and just thinking, hmm, I wasn't happy this day.

And I remembered why I wasn't happy this day.

And now I'm here looking at this photo, realizing there is not a single reason that I should not have been happy this day. I'm with my family in Disney World and it's Christmas. And that kind of made me honestly not be able to... There's actually a shot. I've seen it online. I don't know if it's in the episode or it was the live stream, but it's on the last or second to last day. And it's me staring at the photo and you can just see in my eyes like something's wrong. But this realization started on the first day or the second day. I'm

Maybe the second day. And I just remember looking at that photo and being like, okay, what is this? What is this thought? And then that opened a cage of a few different areas of my life, to be completely fair and completely honest. It wasn't just one area of my life, but it just opened a can of worms that then for a few days...

really did me in. Whenever I was occupied or doing something, I was so fine, so happy, whether that was playing catch with Chris, dancing in the hot tub, playing pirates, whatever it was, if we were doing something, I was great. I was invested. My feet were there and I was feeling happy. The second that I had a time to think, and I remember I would just go sit on the bike and I would just think, my brain just started to run with, with

So many things that I have been okay with, I have tolerated that nobody should. And it put a lot of things into perspective for me. And then at the end, those things got validated very quickly. I don't know. It was hard. It was hard to have those realizations and not be able to talk them through with anybody because...

Obviously, I know that I'm in a very, very public place. And if I start talking about things like that's going to be something that goes on then outside that's out of my control. And I don't want that. I don't want to do that to anybody. But I'm also realizing that I'm in here having these realizations and I like super had to internalize it. And then I think it was actually the best thing for me because I had to formulate my own thoughts for the first time. You know, I didn't have my friends, didn't have my family to help me formulate my thoughts. It was purgatory.

purely me. And that is, it's such a weird concept because you formulate your thoughts without even knowing it with other people's opinions. Like you put an outfit on in the morning, okay? And you go and like, forgive me if this is wrong, but like you're a girl, so I'm assuming this is going to be right. You're

You put an albinol in the morning, you go see Nick, right? You say, good morning, babe. If he gives you a little bit of a different look, are you ever like, it's my outfit or it's my hair? And you- And like, you think I'm ugly. Yeah. So you hate me. Yeah. So you think I'm ugly. You hate me. You want a divorce. You want a divorce. Like we have to split custody of the child. Like you go, you go there and it's those little things that like,

I had to live without, but then also those big, big, big, big, big things that I then had to live without. And it was hard. It was difficult, but I think it was the best thing that could have happened for me in there. Looking at that photo, what did you come to like the conclusion of that? Like, why weren't you happy?

Um, look, I'll say this. I will. I will say this out of respect for another human in the situation. They have asked to not speak about it for me to not speak about them. And I told them, I said, look, that's going to make me seem like I am avoidant of the situation. I'm not avoiding the situation. Obviously, a lot of people think that Chris has something to do with it. Chris does not have absolutely anything to do with it. Chris and I are friends.

We have a very, very great friendship. It's a very strange, like, you are meant to be in my life. We have a very special bond. It's genuinely unlike any friendship bond I've ever created. But my situations are completely unrelated. And that kind of got misconstrued. And that's hard because, you know, it's kind of feeding a false narrative. Are we talking about Kath? Yeah. And I obviously want you to be able to respect them.

them and their wishes but I'm just a little confused because they have been very outspoken in public which they have a right to do they're in a public relationship but it's more like

you know, to your point, you know, there was a lot of people making a lot of assumptions and speculations about like your relationship with Chris. Yes. And we can get into your comments about like, I don't think I'm a lesbian anymore and things like that. But I knew coming on the file files, I was going to get into it.

It's like, because I'm going to the Vile Files, which is like hard pressing anyways, but then it's also with my best friend. So it's going to be even worse. We also just like want the tea. Yeah. We also just want to know what's going on. And also Nick's like older brother vibes, like Jojo. But I mean, it's,

you know, they, it's like, it's not, you know, you can't go on a video and share your side of the story and, and speak your piece and then go, please don't keep your name out of my mouth. Keep my name out of your mouth. You know, it's like, okay. Yeah. And that's kind of exactly what happened. So they said, I broke up with them at the wrap party. That's not entirely the story. The story, you know, goes, they had mentioned to production, they did not want to come to the wrap party.

And I said, all good. I'm going to go to the wrap party. Were they invited? Yeah, of course. Of course. But it's not their environment. And that's so fine. It's so fine. Like, whatever. But I'm going to go and I'm going to have a great time. And I want to meet all the crew. And it's a big deal. And everybody's going. And so they also had gotten the families hotels and the cast hotels because you have to kind of come down. And I'm already having...

all these crazy thoughts that I've been having in the house and I need to formulate them. I need to talk to my mom. I need to be alone. I need to look at my phone. I need to see what's going on. I need to realize what am I feeling? What are these thoughts? I'm not in a place to talk. So I'm in a place to have a fun, cute opening conversation, but I'm not in a place to actually talk yet. And so I was honest about that. And I mentioned to them, I said, look, I know you don't want to come to the after party, but I'm going to go. And then I'm going to go to my hotel. It's going to be 3 a.m. I'm going to go on my phone. So why don't you...

go to yours and then I'll go to mine and let's reconvene tomorrow morning. And that upset them rightfully so. They wanted to be with me, but I knew I wasn't in a place for that. They didn't want to go to the wrap party, but they wanted to come to the hotel. But I was like, I'm just not. So anyways, 27. So we separated and they started driving to the hotel. I go to the wrap party. And then about an hour into the wrap party,

I was, I got, one of the welfare team said, "Hey," at the time my partner said, "I wanna come now. "I've changed my mind, like what's the mood?" So I took his phone, I filmed a video of the party. I said, "This is not really your scene, "but if you would love to come, like come." And then something else happened. I got told something else that they didn't want and I, it kind of made me feel like, okay, this is very strange. I really don't like this vibe right now. - It felt like a setup maybe a little bit? - Yeah, and so when they got to the party,

I had these like they were kind of like banners for us. They were like little huts.

And so we started to have a conversation and I was like, just come in here for 10 minutes. Let's just have a chat before we go over there. And that conversation started immediate and I was going to lead the talking, but then they kind of led the talking. And all I'm saying to every question they ask is, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Are you this? I don't know. Are you that? I don't know. Is it this? I don't know. It's one of those classic conversations. Are you happy in our relationship? Yeah. But it's just like, hey, I don't want to have this conversation right now.

And then like, but I want to ask you some questions. And then they, they start having the conversation. No one wants to have in this moment. And I was honest about that. And all of a sudden you're having it. And then all of a sudden we're having it. And all of a sudden, you know, we're at the wrap party for Big Brother. I'm getting cussed out. It was very, the security guard kept turning around to me being like,

And I was like, you know what I mean? Like, cause I understand where they're angry and where they're coming at me. But I also keep reiterating, like I'm not in a place to talk. I was just with 13 people down to six locked away for 20 days. I haven't spoken to anybody. I'm now in a room with 200 people. We're in this hut. It's outside. I haven't slept in 24 hours. I don't know what's going on. I need to be alone. Like I, and I, and, and now I'm just like, it's just a whirlwind anyways, by the, you know, 16 times somebody asks you, are you happy? Do you want to end things? You,

you're going to just do your guts. And I was honest. I said, if you ask me tomorrow, I don't know my answer. If you ask me right now, my answer is yes. And then that, that obviously was taken as yes. And it was a yes and whatever, but then they don't want to be alone. So I was like, all right, look, come to the hotel. We can continue talking. And I mean, listen, don't,

like obviously I get why anyone is sad to have a relationship and they don't want to end but what was their biggest I mean I guess you know you go on Big Brother yeah I don't know what their expectations of Big Brother were or what they saw but like you know you are very much in the public eye Big Brother is even more in the public eye

I mean, maybe the most public eyes, literally the eye is the most public. Sure. But like you have certainly done a lot of things every day to be in the public eye. But obviously, you know, I didn't get to call you when you were there. Like you're isolated. It's very difficult. Like, you know, I get asked to do things all the time where it's like, Hey, but you need to be away from your family. And I'm like, yeah, I can't. Sorry. Sorry. Not the time right now. He'd leave you for a day, but not that baby. Yeah. So I get, what were the challenges?

Of anyone dating someone who's going away. But like, we've talked about this. When I met Natalie, you know, she was also younger, you know? And a lot of it was like,

Are we at the same stages of life? Like, do we want the same things? Like, is being together taking anything away from the things that she currently wants to do or her dreams or her, you know, and things like that. These are conversations we had to have. These are things I had to consider being in a position where I was older than her at the time. I'm always older than her, but I was older than her. And you know what I'm saying? And so,

what was their expectation about like what this experience would be for you and like prior to going in prior to going in and I get well you know they probably watched it the whole time but like you know a lot of the speculation around you and Chris was this like again just people like at no time am I watching you and Chris and wondering like if you're seriously having a thing with this guy or if you know like I know who you are you know I you know it was all like

The internet's having a buzz. The internet's having a heyday. Our bond is beautiful, but our bond is what you saw. You know what I mean? There's not anything that we did that you did not see. You saw the extent of it. And so I think people are always going to do what people do. Sure.

And I think that people are always going to believe what they want to believe. People are always going to run with what they want to run with. And I think that's somewhere that I've always just kind of been okay with. You know what I mean? Why do you think they came in with such a feeling of disconnect? I don't know. I really don't know. And it's not my place to speak on behalf of them. I know for me, there should have been no...

like questioning, especially around the boundaries of our relationship. So were you presented with doubts about your actions in the house with Chris? While I was in the house? No. Okay. No, because I straight up said, what are your boundaries? And I had a few boundaries for them while we were in the house and they actually did proceed to break those boundaries. I will say that. And that's something that it wasn't big enough for me to care about, but it was something that I had specifically asked like, Hey, look for the 20 days, just

can it with a few conversations and those conversations actually picked up more. They had in-person ones as well. And like that for me was like, okay, look, I'm ending things anyways. It's just another, it's another reason, you know what I mean? It was another, another piece of pie on the plate, but at that point it didn't really matter. No, I definitely never overthought anything with Chris. Yeah. Why, why, why did Kath show up and start pressing you for these answers following this like experience? Yeah.

I like you would think they would have a little bit more empathy for like you're literally coming out of this mind fuck. Yeah. And you were asking for like a little bit of time. It's I'll say this. It's really hard to speak on because we had a mutual agreement. Like, look, let's just cool it for a second. Like we broke up for these reasons. And you know that.

you know, you, Kath posted a video basically alluding to Chris and I are the reasons that we broke up. That's not the case. That is not the truth. And they know that. And I know that. So they were going to, you know, post their video again, but because they wanted to share their story, but say like, hey, I did give some misleading information. Like Jojo and I have talked a bit more not here's the truth because I don't expect them to air out all the reasons why I did end things between us, because if they did, you know, it would be a little crazy. But

all good if they wanted to and and I but I don't I don't think that's the right thing to do either but following up that and them saying they were going to make that statement I also was going on a morning show the next day with Chris and we were going to shut the JoJo and Chris rumors down and we were going to say we're friends and I also was sure to say like look life is life you never know where life's going to take you but I can tell you today right now Chris and I are friends we have a great special bond but we are friends but in regards to my ex now the

The conversation that I had with them was they were going to do their video, give a little more context, and then they asked me to not speak about them. And the only reason why I'm okay to briefly speak about them is because they reposted their video and gave no context and then continued to let their friend who actually, while I was in the house, did something...

pretty bad to them. Their friend has been going off on social media, trying to spread the same misinformation. And it's gotten deeper. And so that's the only reason why I'm okay to speak on my behalf out of protection for myself and out of protection for Chris. But I also don't want to speak about them because that was their request was to kind of leave them out of it.

Again, which I respect, but it's like, but it's hard because you don't get to do that. And then you don't get to have it both ways. Like you don't get asked me for a business class flight home and then do that. You know what I mean? Like, it's like when I already got to a plane ticket home, you know what I mean? Like it's, I don't know. There's, there's just a lot of, a lot of business class. Nick doesn't even put me in business class. You didn't put your ex in business class? No, I did not. I was,

I was and I was straight up. I was like, look, you posted the video again. You didn't give any context. Like, I don't feel comfortable asking my team to do that right now. Like, it's a mess. And we had a long talk about it not being a mess anymore. And it's a mess. And I think that there's just so much misinformation out there that that would not be the right thing to do right now. Were you just as shocked as like the rest of us to see their video? Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely was. I was actually, I was on the phone with my mom and I saw it on Instagram first and it was, you know, cut off. So I was like, oh, the full version must be on Tik TOK.

And then I saw the full 13 minute version and I was like, oh, I'll be genuine. I did not watch it. 13 minutes is forever. I did not watch it. I did not watch it. It's a movie. It's a movie. It's honestly, I have gotten from an ex a 47 minute audio message before that takes the cake because that was actually, it was a typed out message that you could hear them flipping the page, reading it off to me. So the 47 script,

That was actually a TV show. I'm going to read you a book about a relationship, but please don't talk about it. No, literally. But yeah, I was definitely just as shocked. But I understand wanting to share your truth. And that is the exact thing that I told my ex. I said, look, if you would like to share what happened, if you would like to share how it happened, that's totally fine. It's your story. It's your life. Please do not lead to...

the false narrative that's already out there that we are now going to say, hey, look, guys, like, yes, we're very close. We have a beautiful bond. We're meant to be in each other's lives. But like, can it with these for a second? Like, well, because it's like, well, one, it's not true or accurate. And it's just like, again, like, it's also just kind of going against your whole literal whole identity. And then it's painting a narrative. There's so many reasons why my breakup happened. Yeah.

Christopher is not one of them. And I mean, look, and I actually told this guy, I was like, maybe it would be easier if he was, but you know what I mean? Like he is not one of them. So if you're going to share the story, share the story. Well, that's kind of my point. It's just like, there's, it's not, it's not an accident and there's an implication the way they led with it to suggest it again, like this thing that's,

Yeah. Not real. Yes. I mean, your friendship is real. Yeah, very. The romantic side of the speculation was just like, again, goes not only like not true, it goes against your identity, but it also like it paints this picture of like infidelity, kind of like, you know, that speculation of like, again, paints you as a villain. Yeah. Paints you as like this, you know,

and leaning into like an international narrative. Exactly. And it's like, that's where it's like, I understand. I understand Chris and I are very tight. We have this very beautiful bond, this very beautiful connection, but don't paint it out to look like I cheated on you with him because I did not. And that is, I will nail my feet into the ground and I will stand on that ground. I did not. I would not. And I have not, you know what I mean?

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do you want to talk about your comments about not being a lesbian anymore? I mean, I think I understand the context, but like, I don't know what I said in the heat of the moment. Did I say fuck being a lesbian? I don't remember saying that's not my understanding. My understanding is like, you just said, I'm paraphrasing, but like, you didn't feel like a lesbian fully encompassed, you know, your sexuality. Yeah. And then it,

honestly seemed to motor spaced off the premise that at the time you were dating a non-binary person. So that kind of makes sense to say I'm queer, which is more inclusive. I also was around somebody who's super queer. And I was looking at Danny and Danny and I had had loads of conversations about, you know, being queer and gender identity. And it was beautiful. And I come out of the house to see that. And I honestly, I'll be really honest. I see the lesbian community coming at me saying like, how dare you? Whatever. First,

First of all, let's clarify a couple of different things here. Sexuality is fluid. Gender identity are fluid. You can be one thing today and one thing tomorrow. People saying to me that I have never been a lesbian is ridiculous.

That is absolutely crazy. I fell in love with a female at age 17. And like that same female is in my life. And I have a very special place for her. Obviously, our relationship did not work out. But even right now, going through all this shit, she reached out to me today and was like, you can always lean on me. And I was like, like, I genuinely I know. Like, so to say that I was never a lesbian, like,

it just, it's like, people are searching for something. But also, why is it not okay to say that I feel more queer now? And I think I was very open. I think a lot of people just jumped and said, oh, she's not a lesbian because...

And I think that's just crazy again on people, but people love a story and I can't blame them, but it's just, it's funny. It's funny how that really ticked people off when the whole thing in the LGBTQIA community is like sexuality is fluid. Like, God, when I came out, I came out as pansexual. Then I came out as lesbian. Then I was like, maybe I am pansexual. But then maybe I was like, nah, maybe I am a lesbian. Then I was like, maybe I'm bisexual. Then I was like, you know what? I think I'm just gay. Don't know what that means. Then I was like, nah, maybe I'm a lesbian. And now I'm like, ah, you know what?

I think I'm just queer. I think I just am. I think I just exist. I think I'm done having my eyes be so one-sided. You know what I mean? And I think I just, now I'm like, I can just exist. Clearly you can't in this world. Well, yeah. I mean, thanks for clearing that up. I mean, I. The funniest thing to have to clear up. It's so funny. I know. It's just silly and funny and stupid. But at the same time, to your point, it is also your identity. And you

You've been at the forefront, you know, as a huge public figure who's a part of the community. You've obviously been a leader. You've been a spokesperson. You've been a voice. And I'm sure it must be medicine.

That was some frustration on your part to just like speak openly about your feelings, about your sexuality and seemingly a safe environment. Can I be so honest? I could literally care less because no one can decide my sexuality. Not even me. You know what I mean? I can't help what I feel. I can't help who I fall for. That's how I realized I was gay in the first place. And I think I had to learn at such a young age how

honestly, with my height. People bully me for being tall. They said I was a giant tall and I was too tall for my age. And I learned at that point, I can control a lot of things. I can't control my height. And then I realized the same thing with my hairline. And then I realized the same thing with my voice. And then I realized the same thing with the, you know, my body weight. And then I realized the same thing with everything down the line. And so I think

Now I'm at the point where it's like, oh my God, people are really going there. You can't control that. You know what I mean? I don't know. People just jump. But I think part of the realization of being queer was me in the house realizing I'm not entirely happy. And maybe that's a side of me that's not happy. You know what I mean? Maybe I'm putting myself somewhere. And the thing is, queer is a very umbrella term.

You know what I mean? It's very umbrella term and it kind of just encompasses the entire community. And I was like, that's where I feel, you know, I don't feel that's a lot of the talks that Danny and I had where you don't need to put yourself in a box within the community. You can just be. And that was a beautiful conversation that him and I had. And that's kind of what made me realize like, well, I don't need to be in a box. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter. I can have open eyes and an open heart and walk with one foot in front of the other. Well said. Thank you. Uh,

Thank you. Thanks, guys. How much, now that you're back, are you, you know, because prior to going on Big Brother and experiencing this normal JoJo, as you kind of referred to it, you've been out there just, you know, grinding, working hard, your music career, dropping music, going viral. Yeah.

and having the internet talk about you both positively and negatively, you know, and you just keep on plugging away. But like a lot of, you know, especially your music career is more of this kind of brash,

you know, shock value, Jojo anymore, babe. We're done with that. I'm done with that. It's another realization that I had in big brother. I was like, I'm, I'm faking this. I am trying to do music to try and get as big of a click as possible and trying to, you know, shock as many people as possible. And I'm like, I'm not happy with that. So my next song coming out, it's actually, it's called bulletproof and it's about not being bulletproof. It's the video is, is, is purely dance. And that's what makes me happy. And it's,

It's fun, it feels finally like back to just making art instead of making art that I hope will be successful. Like if it's successful, great. If it's not, we'll try again with something else. But I'm doing it 'cause, you know, I love it. - So what specifically are you done with when it comes to your music career?

I think just not doing things anymore for the shock value, doing them because I love them or because I think it's going to be fun. I think that's one thing that as a kid, I really realized is when I had fun, that's what worked and translated well to the audience. And I think even coming out of Big Brother, um,

I think I really found massive parts of myself and I almost remembered that. You know what I mean? And I was thinking, I was like, I don't need to be stressed doing a music video. I need to have fun doing it. Is there a world where like, I was actually talking to Tyler about this over the weekend.

And like, there's a part of me that hopes that you get to a point in your life where you just like, you've accomplished all your dreams. You're, you know, you have more money than you know what to do with. I don't know your financial situation, but I think you're doing okay. And you just kind of,

Pick an entirely different life that truly is normal. Like, and I don't even like, listen, like who, who am I to say what that should be? I don't think my life is normal. You know, I feel very privileged and blessed to be able to do what I do, but like, there is like, we, we work hard on keeping us, you know, just having as much, like we do a lot of normal things and we, and we embrace that and we don't try to, to lose that.

And so much of your life from such a young age has been the opposite of normal. And because of your value and because of the value you bring to so many people around you, I just don't see a lot of people letting you be normal. And do you think that's something that's going to be a challenge even if you want it for yourself? Honestly, no.

I really don't. I don't see that being a challenge. That's actually something too. And that goes back to the Chris conversation that he was having. That's one thing about his friendship. That or just our dynamic. That's really nice as it feels so normal. Because we're both this like...

boom and then it's like feels so normal when it's just like down and so like I think I try to find that within friends right where I can have those moments and I definitely have those moments but I get what you're saying of like is there ever a point where you would almost be like alright I'm call it retired you know what I mean

And honestly, I hate this answer because it's horrible and it makes me sad and I don't like it and I don't like to think about it. But yes, there will be a day where when my right-hand man passes away and it will be the saddest day of my life because she is my mom, I will be done. And it's purely for the reason of...

I can do it without her, but I don't want to. I think that she is the other half of my career. And I'm very grateful for that. And she always has been. And I could do a show like Big Brother. I could come on your podcast. I could do stuff like that. But I could never do a music video or a live performance or, you know, star in a movie. I could do small little things here and there and have fun. Or your outfits. But I could never.

What outfit would I wear? What outfit would I wear? Who's going to book everybody? You never would be, I mean, who knows? Like you said, at that point, give me babies, give me a house. I don't know what you'll be doing, but you're such a doer and you're so, I'll open a dance studio. It's like you will never retire. It's just like, it might be different. I love indoor skydiving and my brother's now an instructor. And so I always talk about, I would open a tunnel and own a tunnel and employ him and let him run it. I,

I also would open a dance studio in a heartbeat. I even keep the one I have now and just open it. I would, yeah, heartbeat. Like I will do something. Maybe I'll open a coffee shop. Who knows? Honestly, knowing me, I'll figure out whatever it is my kids want to do and I'll start embracing that. And if they want to play soccer, I'll probably, you know, buy a soccer team and we're going to be the best soccer player there's ever been. Are you still stuck on Freddie, Eddie and Teddy or have you moved on? No, I've moved on. Are you going to do this one? Freddie's staying. Freddie is staying. But

Silver. Silver Siwa. Isn't that so fun? That reminds me of 90210, the girl Erin Silver, and she went by Silver. It's cute. My brother wants to name his... Get out of here. My brother wants to name their kid Golden and Goldie. Name it Goldie. So I was like, if his kid's name was Golden and mine was Silver, that's so cute. We were talking about this yesterday. Yeah. JoJo, on the show. And Silver is...

It's doable. Golden's definitely better. Well, Golden was the name of Natalie's stepdad, so. There you go. It's cute. Golden's cute. You just can't name. Don't go so far that you're just naming your kid things.

Like. Freddy, Eddie and Teddy? No, that's a name. Those are names. Those are names. You know, like. No, you mean like. Influencers are. Like Canada. Are kind of taking it to. Two, four. An X level and doing like. You're saying a silver. Crazy names. Two. Maybe silver would just be the nickname. Well, didn't you get like. I actually do have a tattoo. Silver's not bad. Silver's doable. Yes. Like it's borderline. It's doable. A Freddy, Eddie and Teddy tattoo. Didn't you get it tattooed on you? No, I have not. I. Those are all fake. Oh.

But I do have a child now from Big Brother. I don't know if he got much airtime, but yeah, Christopher and I had a child. There's a clickbait. But we had a child. His name is Chase. If you ask Chesney, though, his name is Lenny. And this child is? A teddy bear. He's a horse. He's a horse. There's a thought. Obviously. That's why I'm showing you his mouth.

Who has custody? I do right now, but we have spoken about the custody and like, we do have to split him. Like we have definitely spoken about that, but like splitting like cross country, like he's, yeah. Like we'll ship him back and forth or like, you know, if Chris comes here, he can take him home. And then if I come there, I would take him home. Like, well, we'll pass the baby. I know you ever asked like at the reunion about the, like, what did you say? 48 hours later. Yeah. But like in that moment, like, was it really just about like, you were tired of confessing things on camera?

No, it was, I had just gotten my letter and my letter confirmed every thought and doubt that I already had. And then, yeah, so that was like, and I really wanted to confide in him and I wanted to talk to him and I wanted to tell him things, but I couldn't out of protection. And so, yeah. Did you...

talk to them about the letter or was that kind of like, you know what? You did. Yeah, I did. And yeah, I found out that that letter, you know, had gone through a few like, are you sure that's what you want to say? And yes, I'm sure. And so that it was just hard. It just look, it verified everything I was already thinking. And that's that's OK. It's OK. And I think that they're a wonderful human, just not for me. And that's OK. What is your love life?

look like in your eyes in the near future? Great question.

I don't know. Are you already dating somebody? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

I forgot who you're talking to or dating. You opened up to me a little bit about your dating life at the time. And like you were 20 and like you were kind of like, hey, I'm only 21. And I was kind of like, hey, you're only 21. So like just live your life, figure yourself out. And I think I for me, I jump quickly and I think maybe I just need to, you know, have fun, explore, explore myself, explore, you know, people have fun. Yeah.

I'm definitely a connections person. Like I really care about comfort within somebody. You know, I'm not the type that's just like going to go have a night out, rail and get out. Like that's not my vibe at all. I'm definitely somebody who's a feeler and I'm a lover and I...

I don't know. I think you'll rent a U-Haul anytime. I know U-Haul anymore. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I am. No, I just want to be, I just want to, I just want to live and I just want to be happy. And I can say that I'm very, very happy. I'm very happy right now. And I think single Jojo is like a good Jojo for the time. Yeah. I think I just, I think I real, here's, here's what I realized. Okay. Let me, we're going to pretend you re-asked me. Okay. What's your love life look like right now? I'm so happy where I'm at right now that I just want to stay here.

Whatever that means, whatever this is, I'm great here. Did you see we posted our full-length wedding video on Instagram? No, I haven't seen it. I was about to say you're in it with like your four ex-girlfriends. You're...

Three. Get it right, man. Sorry, sorry, sorry. We allowed people to bring guests. We did. We said bring your plus ones. Okay, can I be fully honest? Can I be fully honest? I didn't know, and now that we're planning my brother's wedding, I didn't know how...

real wedding guests were. I didn't know that that was like a thing and like I see us inviting my brother and we're like is the relationship that serious maybe we shouldn't invite them like and so I see that now and I never realized with your guys' wedding. Do you know your wedding was the first one that I've gone to as like a conscious adult? Like I went to one as like a four year

I did not know that. Your wedding was like genuinely. Oh, I guess I went to my cousin's, but like showed up, went out and like it's my cousin. Yeah. But like genuinely as a conscious adult, like first wedding I've ever gone to.

And so I didn't know any of those things. You know what I mean? I do. I remember you were like, I mean, it's pretty obvious. I remember you're like my niece who's 10 years old, you know, doesn't know anything about anything. And she said, you were, you were like making out with your girlfriend at the time. And she goes, mommy, Jojo really likes that girl over there.

You're making out there? That's gross. I need to quit. It's not fair. JoJo really likes that girl. I'm staying right where I am now. I'm happy now. Just what you don't do. And so many people have done this. And I've done this. And I have a large family, so it happens a lot. But like,

weddings you can invite a plus one bring a stranger it doesn't matter it's a plus one you don't have to like you don't have them in the photos don't bring them the family photos like the family photos for everyone my parents are people are like i want my girlfriend i want my boyfriend and like there's so many randoms in my family photos from people who are just like my parents already said decades old but i don't know yeah i don't care if you're dating the love of your life they're not

in those photos you always can do the one at the end be like alright now bring in everyone to make some people feel included but like they're not part of the actual family photos like people make those mistakes all the time just like who the fuck is that in the photo it's like oh it was like yeah it was like girl I saw for a couple weeks my bad sorry I thought we were gonna make it yeah yeah

So music, to be clear, because I don't want people to think you're done with music or anything like that. No, no, no. I'm very much so in on music. I love music. I love creating music. I love performing. I'm going on tour later this year all over North America and Canada. I am performing in Mexico City coming up. I'm performing in Chicago. When is that? Mexico City. Mexico is in May 17th. We'd love to come, but.

Yeah. I really want to go to Mexico City period and it would be cool to go see you there. Would have been fun. Okay. There'll be more. There'll be more. Yeah. Yeah. I have, I have a lot of performances coming up, maybe even some back in the UK, which I'm very, very excited about. I'd get to go see my family over there now. Is Chris going to come visit? I really hope so.

I really hope so. I would think. I mean, look, we lived together and obviously him and I have a very, very, very special, special little connection together. And so I think I give us about like a week of not being around each other to be like, hey, like really miss you, like actually miss your presence. And like we've spoken so much since we've left, obviously. But yeah, it's really weird to go from living together doing. I mean, and you're not just

living right and sleeping and eating like think about everything you do on a day-to-day basis okay like you walk into your closet and you get dressed and you're out in the kitchen cooking breakfast right you're that doesn't happen there there is no closet that you go into just to get dressed you're dressing in front of each other you shower in front of each other like it's like you are purely living together and then with 13 other people and so it's like once you gravitate towards each other you just do it's like you saw chris's penis

No. Did see his ass. Okay. Did see his ass. And everybody saw it straight on camera. But, you know, I actually, I didn't see one penis while I was there. Really? Yeah. Do they have like the fog in front of like. They do. Yeah, they have the fog. Yeah, no, no, no peepees were shown. Okay.

Thank God. I don't know if I'd recover if I was all thinking about our fitness. No, I don't think any of us would. A scar for life. Yeah. What are some of the things your fans are just dying to know about you that you never want to share?

Some of the things that, I mean, okay, look, genuinely right now, everyone has been saying, what was the 48 hours? What did you draw in his hand? What are Chris and JoJo? What did you draw in his hand? Can I be so completely honest? Don't remember. Okay. Don't remember exactly at all. We used to talk for, the first few nights, we talked genuinely for like an hour and we would just laugh and we would talk and like about nothing. Like we just like tried to stay awake. Well, okay. I have a question. All right.

Well, just for all the people who are listening to this and everything you're saying makes a ton of sense to me. And we all know the internet likes to run with the narrative and blow it out of proportion. But if there is anyone out there who is listening to this interview and just says, no, I saw with my own eyes. I saw what I saw. You guys have something special. There's like this connection. What do you want people to realize or know about?

about this relationship with Chris and why it can be what it is in your mind and still be nothing more than platonic. Like there are, I think there is a lot of ignorance and like,

people who are confused about the conversations around sexual identity and things like that. And then we put in these, like, like these barriers in our head of what we think that means or what that doesn't mean. So like, why, why do you feel like you could connect with Chris the way that you did? You know, there's the scenes where he's kind of caressing you on the back. Like,

I get it. Why can you do that? And it doesn't have to mean it's some sort of sexual thing or why it doesn't have to mean, you know, you're questioning your sexual identity because of this man, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. I'll be, I'll be so honest. I wish I could explain it. It's interesting when I sent, I sent Chris a sappy text.

when I left because it was very sad. I was very sad to leave the UK in general. I was very sad to leave the Big Brother family. I was very sad. He was the last person that I saw because we were doing this morning together, which is a morning talk show over there. And in that sappy text, I wrote and I said,

I love that I can't explain. I love it because it just is. It just exists. I think that it's people, people can see that whatever it is, is special. And it doesn't, that there's so many different kinds of special. I have so many people in my life that have come into my life and I've gone, oh, they're different. They're a different person in my life and they're meant to be here. And he is a layer of that and a level of that. And I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to spin,

time, effort, energy on trying to convince somebody of something. It's not worth it. We had a great time together. We will continue having a great time together. A lot of people in the beginning thought our friendship wasn't genuine, thought we were using each other. That was honestly hilarious to us because we were like, we would take each other off in two seconds if we weren't genuine. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, I think that the world, no matter what,

And Chris has said this as well. Like, the world is just going to do what the world does. And people are going to talk and people are going to have theories and people are going to come up with things. And the funniest part of it all is Chris and I are going to play tennis and go for a roast and, you know, see the same thing that the world sees and laugh and have a good time and enjoy it and practice our dance and be happy and be people in each other's lives for hopefully ever. I mean...

in some form. It's amazing. It's a good place to end it. Yeah, it's just, it's just, who wouldn't want to have fun? Who wouldn't want to have a good time? Who wouldn't want to make a friend? You know what I mean? I think, and we're both very similar in that way. And I'm, yeah, it's a very special, it's a very special friendship that just, it was one of the last things I said to him on the show, like, you were meant to be in my life and I'm grateful that this has brought you into it. Well, thanks for coming on. Okay.

I love who you are. I love who you are. I'm proud of you. I'm glad more and more people get to discover this version of JoJo. It's my favorite version of you.

you know, you know, it's when you're working, you're out being Jojo Siwa, you know, and the loud kind of colorful person that you can be. It's great. But like, yeah, I love this version that people get to see more of. And I'm just, you know, proud of you. Thank you. I appreciate that very, very much. Love you very, very much. Both of you. Thanks for listening, guys. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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