E953 – Going Deeper with Tyler Cameron And Tate Madden
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Oh yeah, last time you were like half naked, weren't you? That's pretty funny. Why was that? Why were you naked?

Oh, it was after your first April Fool's joke. Only fans. Your only fans, yeah. It's a favorite holiday. I'm going to consult you guys on the next one. Have you ever done a podcast date? Kind. I did his, but it was like... Oh, his Patreon thing? Yeah. This is like my very first like... She's nervous. I'm not nervous. You're nervous. You're being weird. I'm nervous. Are you nervous? I'm nervous. I mean, the first time Natalie and I did a podcast...

And like that you guys are doing where it was kind of like almost debuting your relationship and speaking on your relationship. Like I was very nervous. And then all of a sudden we made it was like we did our friends. We were like, we did our friends doing our friends. It has to be like safe space. We have to be able to take shit out. We're not just doing anybody's.

And we still got heat. Yeah. Well, always. We've learned quickly you always get heat for anything. Yeah, I mean, listen. I'm sure I won't get as much heat as that milk video, so we'll get into it. What's that? We'll get into it. No, we started. Oh. Oh, we started. Oh. I learned to hate. Well, you know, we kind of started, but didn't start it. You're crazy.

Tyler and Tate, welcome. Hello. Sounds nice. Tyler and Tate. Tyler and Tate. Natalie and Nick. Natalie and Nick. Tyler and Tate. T.T. and N. Wow. It's beautiful. Welcome back, Tyler. It's been a long time. Last time you were naked. Now you're clothed. Yep. You know, I have a girlfriend now, so I think it should be more presentable. Did you have a girlfriend then? No. Well, yeah. Yeah, you did. Sure. You definitely did. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

When is your anniversary? October 26th. Yeah. Okay. So that's like when you officially asked her to be your girlfriend. We kind of like don't. We had three anniversaries before. Yeah, honestly. I was so grateful to get married for no other reason than I could just wash all.

all those other anniversaries away. So what are the three? It was like when we met in New York and then it was like when we like kind of started becoming boyfriend and girlfriend and it was like when she moved to LA. I was like when we got coffee at Starbucks. Were you creating these anniversaries or was Nick? Oh, of course it was me. I was like, gift? Gift?

Yeah. Smart girl. I think we're celebrating, like, we're closest to our anniversary. Nick's like, I have to have a quarterly anniversary with you right now. Every quarter. And Nick was like, I feel like none of these matter. And I feel like maybe we shouldn't celebrate any of them until we, like, get married. And I was heartbroken. Yeah, that's so cool.

No, I've learned every holiday, every anniversary really matters. Okay, listen. I made the anniversary very easy for him because he doesn't even know his brothers and sisters.

parents' birthdays still to this day, he has to really think about it. So he did ask me to be his girlfriend on the, or I guess he made it easy on himself, the day of the gala. The one that you guys came to. Oh, yeah. Yes, that morning he asked me to be his girlfriend. Where's Tate? He literally went up, Tate was talking to us and Nick goes, so where's Tate? I had never seen a picture of her, so I didn't know. She's like, oh!

I mean, I came in hot with you too, because I was like fired up to meet you. And I was like, hey, Nick. And I think you were like taken back. You're like, hi, how are you? And I was like, okay, sick. And so then I kind of like just jived off. And yeah. And then I was standing there being like, so where's that? I was like, now there's this take person you've been talking so much about. She's like, I'm right here. It's like, oh, the maniac. I've put myself, I've put my foot in my mouth more than a few times.

It's okay. What are you going to do? We all do that. Tate, it's like, I feel like we're, we've talked to this guy like so many times, but obviously a lot of people are very curious about you. Yeah. Yeah. How, like, who are you? I also feel like me and you have, we can relate very much in this aspect of like being normal, not in the public eye at all, falling in love with someone in the public eye, kind of dating, you know,

Secret, navigating that, navigating the like they still have appearances to make and things to do. Like I remember on Valentine's Day, Nick and I were seeing each other. We were in New York and he like did this Good Morning America date thing and went on like dates with all these women. And I was just like in the green room like...

the worst so it's it's like a weird world that i feel like not a lot of people understand and so i feel like i'm glad we're kind of on the same page with a lot of things i feel like they both acted kind of similar yes which how did i act like a bitch i'm just kidding no but seriously like i definitely in your defense like it was like it was so new we were dating we were

I mean, in my mind, I was like, I don't even know what we were at that point, you know? But we had definitely... By February, we had been hanging out for five months at that point. Sounds very familiar. Yes. In my head, I'm pregnant. And then, like, Good Morning America... Actually, what happened was, like, Nali was set to, like, come visit. You know, she was coming out to L.A. And then...

like randomly good morning america called me up and was like hey we have this like idea and like we'd love to fly you out and at that point like you know i think i had the i had the show but like you know when gma calls you're like it's kind of exciting it's better new york and fun and you want to say yes to like gma like giving you the call and they're like yeah and they basically pitched like me this like i would you know go on a date with a winner which was like and then like you

you know, they would win a date with me. It was really silly and cheesy. And so my mind, I think it's stupid. And then like the date we went on was like, we all got like the producers of the show. We all got a cup of coffee downstairs. And I talked to a fan for like six, a few minutes. I just acted as if like, this was totally normal. And I didn't even go, I didn't even take the time to like check in. I was like, Hey, we're going to New York.

instead of LA. Can you meet me there instead of flying out to LA? So he didn't preface that it was... He was like, I'm doing this thing for GMA. I'm doing this thing for GMA. It's like not... That's totally identical. It's nothing. It's silly. And you're like, oh, you have to make out with all... Okay. You have to rewind and break it down. Like, hey, can you see why this was maybe like...

it's a bigger issue now than it could have been if you just would have like maybe just told me a little more information yeah but you were like working for her yes okay fucking the boss it's like that jerry seinfeld episode you're too old for me i don't know oh my gosh

No, but he has a housemaid that he starts dating and she's never cleaning the house, but she's still he's still paying her. He's like, what did I just pay for?

Okay, no, I will say that is not like me. I put my work in. I just needed the work. You were like running his social media, right? Yes. And then it turned into running his life. And then we just were spending more and more time together because I think we both have similar, like we like to grind. No.

Not in that way, but in like the work way. They're hard workers, people. Yes, we're very hard workers. And so it was always if he needed an extra hand or he needed someone to stay late, I was just always like game to like do it. And so I think once we started spending more time together in that way, it just kind of organically. And I was friends with him. Like I was friends with his group of friends. We hung out like as friends too for a while too. And so...

I will say, I think it was the healthiest relationship I've ever gone into because he's such an open book that I knew everything about him. Like, honestly, so much of an open book. Sometimes you're like, yo, can you just like reel it in just a tidbit? So going into it, it was like, I know who you are. Like, I know the person that you are. You're not going to like, you know, look all shiny and glittery at first on like a couple of dates. And then all of a sudden I like,

I find out that you're an asshole. So I definitely felt more confident going into. At what point did it go from like, this is the guy in the bachelor I work for who does what he does. Like all of a sudden, like there being a moment. Listen, you got a tequila brand deal and that'll do it. I'll tell you that. It was on, it was very distinct moment in the back of a car. Um,

Going home from the tequila event. Yeah, I think, I mean, I'll say it. I definitely got handsy first, but he definitely was like, not you. I mean, you were like, come on. Yeah.

I was like, here I am. So, I mean, definitely. So, like, what happened in the back of the car? Like, a blowjob? No, a little over-the-pants H.J. Oh, a little H.J. Yeah, and it was over-the-pants. Like, there was nothing crazy about it. I mean, that's kind of crazy since he technically was my boss at that time. But, OTPHJ. Honestly, just an over-the-pants handjob in general is kind of crazy. I know. What a move. Very old school of me. You know, going old school is fun sometimes. You know, it's exciting. I don't know.

And sure, yeah, that's where we went. And by the time we got home, things escalated quickly. And then I remember right after, I just looked at him and I was like, I need to break the ice somehow. So I just like, we like caught eyes and I was like, HR? And then we both laughed and then we were like, all right, let's go to bed. Yeah, but when was the first time you guys actually addressed that?

you guys hooking up. Because, like, you know, that next day, there's always, like, that awkwardness, HR joke. But, like, there must have been a time where it was, like, we... He panicked, for sure. Yes? Yeah, well, so, mind you, let's back this up. We're in the middle of, like, filming our, the TV show. And, like, it is hell. And, like, we're going... TV show was over. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. Oh, it wasn't. We did not hook up while the TV show was being filmed. I believe you. I disagree. I believe Tate. Thank you. Anyways...

Now, this is usually right about timelines in our relationship. Because the show went on forever. Yes, it went on for six months, but we... It went on for nine. Oh, nine. But I know for a fact that it was after. Okay, semantics. Does it matter? Yeah, go ahead. Anyways, so...

like where i started like everyone the whole show so part of my show is supposed to be a dating show right i went on like six dates with the girls like extravagant dates all these different wild things we had someone like i went on a gator date with this one girl who's a reptile scientist someone got bit by a gator on that show can i pop in for a second the producer actually in the beginning when we filmed wanted him to go on a date with me and he said no oh because

Because she was working for me then. Rude. At the time. So I was trying to create some type of professionalism inside of my career, you know? And guys, I'm trying to be an adult. And then the OTPHJ just like really took over. My first day of employment, you were hungover and you asked if we could skip work and we could stay in bed and cuddle all day. So, mm-hmm.

I don't think that ever happened. First day of work? Yes, remember when we cleaned the room? He said he was trying to be more professional. That was me trying to be funny, okay?

I don't think that ever happened. So you're filming the show. You're going to L.A. States. Yeah, we're going through hell. And, like, I will say this about Tate. Like, she went through the hell with me. Like, a lot of my people that worked with me on that show show up and did a lot of bare minimum or show up, do their 9 to 5 and did a lot of work. But still, like, once 5 was, like, out and done, they were out. Tate, though, if it was 4 a.m., she was there at 4 a.m. You know, a lot of people worked. You know, it was hard. But, like, I just noticed that Tate was, like...

grinding and working her ass off and she was right there with me and then like we just were spending a lot of time together and then there's this one day i always say that she wore like a crop top shirt in he's talking about this yeah wore a crop top shirt in and like these short jeans and everything and i looked at her and i was like oh this is gonna be a problem and then i just like i was like we gotta stay away from this and i was like kind of maybe even like push her away more but then like work we were always

like on top of each other with all the things that we had to do. So I think I just like grew such like an admiration for her, like her work ethic. And like, I mean, I don't think she wants, she's not trying to be my assistant. I think she saw this was an opportunity to build something bigger. And I got admired that about her and she loved designing houses. She loved being in the heat of all this stuff. And,

and part of the builds and all this stuff and she was right there hanging stuff on the walls on the like when we're up at 4 a.m getting ready for the reveal the next morning you know and then being there first thing like she was always just down and into it so i think that was part of it too was like i feel like i had a teammate finally where like i'm always the one with the work on my shoulders i'm the one that has to get it done and find a way whereas i finally like damn i got someone has my back for the first time ever hey that was nice thanks that was so

And then I got an OTPHA and everything changed. It was really just a cherry on top. But then, no, so then after the night we hooked up, I go to her, I go, yo, we cannot do this again. Like, and we cannot talk about it. Because, like, we were still filming. Because we filmed the reveal two weeks later. And Katie goes, why are you being weird? Why aren't you telling me this? And we had the reveal after that. So, yes, I was right. Anyways, so...

We did this and I was like, we can't tell anyone about this. We gotta keep this to ourselves. It can't happen again. We gotta be pros. We gotta be pros. When he said that to you, did you agree with him? Did you feel defensive because it was a bad thing? No, I didn't think it was a bad thing. I was shocked at how

panicked he looked because we were friends so i was making light of it like a joke like kind of like the hr thing but i kept the joke going like i definitely again was friends with him and i did not want to date him knowing what a maniac he was at the time like it was not in on my radar yeah what was your impression or your opinion of tyler

at this point when you started working for him? I mean, I always thought

that he was a really great person from like day one. Like the people that he surrounds himself with, like the way that I see him always try and put all of his good friends like in positions to win. He's just always trying to think of like different avenues for anyone he cares about. Like, oh, that would be good for so-and-so to get into. Like, oh, let me see if I can call someone to like set them up. And it was just always like admirable. I was just, yeah, I just loved the way that he always like treated people and always wanted them to like reach out to him.

reach their fullest potential. And if he could help them in that way, like he was going to. And so that aspect of him, I just knew he was a good person. There was also another side of him where I knew when he would go out with his friends, I knew... And his friends are so much fun. And again, he's single. So like, as he should. But I mean, he was crazy. So he was definitely not... He definitely didn't look like someone who was trying to like settle down or like be in a relationship or be in love. I knew that if...

I was smart. I mean, which I think I am a lot of the times. I mean, I couldn't... It was pretty black and white. Like, hey, you can have fun and this is your friend, but we're not trying to do anything else other than this. So you were surprised that he freaked out because you're just more like, isn't this what you do? Yeah, exactly. I'm like, isn't this what you do? And also...

like give me a little more credit like i'm cooler than that like i'm not gonna like fall in like oh my god now i'm in love with you like i think he thought that i was gonna be like oh my god i'm obsessed with you it was amazing and i was just like okay was it that or was it more like i was being a little unprofessional and like i shouldn't have done that it was more of like the unprofessional side of it like you could say that it was a little of both because remember when we decided that we were just gonna have a little fun

you were like, we can't do this. Like, what did you say? You know, someone always falls in love and he kind of got quiet after that. And I'm like, you mean like, I'll fall in love with you? Which... I'm getting tors. So yeah, you definitely did have a little bit of that. Yeah, I just like, part of it too is like, I was still like in maniac mode. I mean, like,

enjoying being a single and like fucking dog yeah yeah and so like part of it too was like I wanted to protect her from from me and like all my life I've had a like I'd say like a few good people in my life that have been girls that I've like thought about dating and I've always ran away from knowing that like I wasn't there and I pretty much was like thinking about like her as that I was like she's such a great person such I don't want to drag her into what I am right now because it's not good for anybody you know and so I was like

Stop telling nobody. Let's keep this. This can't happen again. Like, let's just finish up everything. And then, you know, I love working with you and let's keep it going. You know? Yeah, we did work really well together. So, I mean, it really was a toss up on if this didn't work. Like, I did feel I'm like, damn, I'm like, I love this.

working with him because we have the same energy when we work. Like, we'll just do what we need to do to get it done. So that was probably the scariest part was thinking, dang, I finally found something that, like, I truly enjoy and, like, someone who matches, like, my energy in that aspect. If this doesn't work, I feel like it'll just be so awkward that it's like, okay, I'm not dating him and I, like...

I don't have a job. Yeah, I don't have a job. Well, like, you guys started talking about how, like, similar you two were, and, like, another similarity is, like, you know, we had different reputations, but both Ty and I had, like, big reputations. Mm-hmm. You know? Like, once...

Now that I started dating, she started learning about what my reputation was and how strong of an opinion some people had about me. And Tyler, again, he comes in with this very dominant reputation. And his reputation being the ladies' man of Bachelor Nation. It's one thing to be a guy on a show that's followed by women.

hell even as a divisive character i did just fine like as a single guy but like he's the guy that's just like every woman is supposed to like you know he's he's the heartthrob and there's like do you ever honestly i'm curious i've never asked you did you ever feel that pressure like that you were supposed to act a certain way where it was just like you were

truly objectified i mean i'm sure sometimes it's fun but like it did it ever get annoying and frustrating well i think it creates a pressure of like either you have to be single and live up to it and like be always available and be the bachelor type guy like and you know around and like so i was like it's more profitable to be single and wanted than it is to be with somebody you know it was like was like kind of like one thought process and then like it just like became you know

I think too, like when I met, like getting to know you and me around you, I was like, you're not the type of girl you just date and hook up with. Like you're the type of girl that you end up marrying because you possess all the qualities that would make an amazing mother and an amazing wife and an amazing best friend. So I was like telling myself, like, if you're not ready to fully go down that route, you don't mess this up. We don't mess her up. You know what I mean? So like, that's what I was like kind of fighting and battling. And then it was also like,

me losing being single, does that ruin the reputation of who I am, like you're saying? And so it was kind of juggling all that to come to a decision. And then finally, I was around her so much. And I could still feel like sometimes I would run away with the boys and go have a wild weekend still because we weren't together. And I could see it affecting us. And I was like, you got to come to a decision here soon. So how long was that like...

Kind of fucking around. It was probably like two months. I would say like two months of just like messing around. I know the first time I thought like, oh my God, does he like me? I think I've told you this before. When I slept over? Yes. So he was doing something in Miami and as he does, like he never, you know, checks in or anything. Like we were just having fun. And he always would...

I think there was another night of something. And he called me at like 5 a.m. And he was like, hey, are you at home? And I was like, yeah. He's like, oh, I just don't feel like driving all the way to my house like 15 minutes longer. So I'm just going to come to your house and sleep. And I was like, okay.

What? So I'm like waking up and like my little sister comes out because we were living in an apartment together. She comes out of her and she's like, what are you doing? I was like, I don't know. Tyler wants to come like... Were you like cleaning? No, I was just like, I didn't know like why, like what was going on? And I guess she just heard me out there and I was like, I don't... Like he just wants to come like sleep. She's like, why? I'm like...

I don't know. I'm like, this is so weird. So she's like, I think he likes you. I was like, he doesn't like me. I'm like, this is so weird. So then he comes over. It definitely feels like a scene you'd watch at a rom-com. Yeah. And so then I'm like, he gets there. And before this point, every time we hooked up,

we would kind of like fist bump or high five and we'd turn around and like we'd sleep. Like it was not like we weren't lovey dovey. We weren't snuggling at all. And he came over driving home and slept and just I laid in bed and he just grabbed me and like we just cuddled like the whole night. And I remember I just laid there in bed while he was cuddling me. With your eyes wide open. Eyes wide open. Like freaking out. I'm like wondering what was going on.

That is so funny. I have that same memory with Nick of like, it's like just hooking up and it's like really, you don't like, it's not that serious. You're like just cool. And then you like kind of start to get feelings and then they start kind of showing more affection. And then, yeah, like going to bed and like him wanting to cuddle. I was like, wait, he's obsessed with me. Be cool, be cool. I know you're obsessed with me. He's literally obsessed with me. Do you remember that?

Yeah, I don't remember. Like that, you know? What made you want to call her that time? I just was like, I don't know. I think it was one of those things where you're just like...

wanting comfort and like someone to be like, all right, you know, I think a lot of this time in the light is fun, but it's also very lonely as much as it doesn't seem lonely. And then it's like, I finally had like someone who was like starting to become like your best friend and feel like it, you know, like you want to be around them, you know? And I think it was like one of those turning moments, you know, there was like many of those moments that come out like throughout that, like, I was like, Oh, that's a big turning moment. That was a big turning moment, you know? So then the next morning,

He wakes up. He brought a bag in, like a duffel bag. He wakes up the next morning. He has to go to do something for work. And I'm getting ready and I notice his duffel bag is like laying in my room. And in my mind, I'm like,

why would he leave his duffel bag? That doesn't make any sense. Like, it's just a tiny bag. And so then I'm showing my sister, of course, and she's like, oh my God, he like left his bag as he like wants to come back here. This is how girls think. And I'm like, no, I'm like, that's weird too. So then I'm making dinner that night and he just calls me and I'm like, he's like, oh, I left my bag there. Should I come get it? And I'm like, yeah, you can come get it. I'm just making dinner. He comes over, lays down on my couch when he gets in and is like taking a nap.

and I'm cooking dinner and the whole time my sister and I are just catching eyes like she's at the table and I'm just cooking and we're kind of just like not knowing what to say. You made meatballs that night. What? You made meatballs that night. I did. So we're like looking so then we're like sitting we're eating dinner everything's fine everything's going good and still things are kind of weird and I start to clean up dinner and he's like still there and so I'm like doing the dishes now everything's done he's still just sitting at the table and so finally I'm like okay I want to go to bed

So I kind of looked at him. I'm like, hey, so like, are you like staying here again? Are you like leaving? Because I'm going to like go in the room. And I went and like locked to the door or something. And I walked back to my room and he was like tucked under the cover. So I was like, oh, get a leap pass. So I just like slid in next to him and like fell asleep. And yeah.

Yeah, then the next day it was... But like you were happy about this? No, I was happy. I was just like, what is going on? Because he doesn't speak like

I mean, he does a lot more now, obviously. But at that point, I think he was so confused. Yeah, guys do that. I don't know why. At his feelings. Like, he didn't communicate anything. And I think it was like a moment where he's like, well, maybe if I just like just start doing it, like it'll just happen. Like, I don't need to talk about it. So you cooked and cleaned and he just sat there and watched you? Yeah. I don't know. I think...

You're like, I'm cooking and he's sitting on the couch and I'm cleaning and he's still sitting there. Natalie, we're still at I'm a guest period. He doesn't want to impose. He doesn't want to overstep his boundaries. I think it would mean more if I was doing that. Yeah, that's true. I'm fascinated hearing Tate's story because again, I'm sure you do have a different version of that. And what were you... I remember the way Tate's telling the story. I remember and I've talked about it in different ways, but when I was like,

do I actually do this thing? Do I date this person? I've been so afraid for different reasons. And like, you know, and so finally I was just kind of like, you know, like I just, I just kept thinking of all the reasons why it wouldn't work out, you know? And then I was just like, well, I've been doing this with do it. And I can, it could, it could just not work. You know? Yeah. You know? And so, but I had to have a conversation with myself and like tell,

tell myself to just do the thing that I was so afraid of doing did you ever like whether it was that night or prior to that or after that do you remember a time where yeah I think I had a lot of conversations with myself you know in my head because I was like I said I thought she would be the most amazing mother the most amazing wife and best friend at all these things and

I was just like, if you do this, like you got to go do it. You know what I mean? And it's like, you can't half-ass it and you got to treat her, you know, a hundred percent. Right. And all. So I was just like,

It was one of those things, like, you're going to give up one life to do another, you know? And there was, like, many signs that, like, I wanted to be with her and many things I want. You know, she, like, she's the first person I ever dated that reminded me of my mother in, like, all of the good ways. And, like, I'm not asking Tate to be my mom or, like, take care. But I'm talking about just, like, the way she, like, lights up a room, the way she is just so much fun and energetic. But also, like, my mom was the hardest working person. And Tate's the hardest working person I've ever met, you know? And I was just, like...

damn, I see all the best qualities I ever had. And like the, to me, the greatest woman I've ever had growing up, you know, in her. So I was like, she would be like, just made me think of how amazing my mom was to us, like how she will be to her own, you know? And so this is one of those things is like, if you don't do something though, you're also going to probably lose this opportunity to be with the best person you probably have ever been with, you know? And so I was like, let's just try, let's just give it a shot, you know? And, you know, I think, you know, when it came time to the gala,

We were like living together essentially at this point, you know, and I was like, I would hate for this girl to have all these people in town asking, so what are you guys? How's it going? Who's this? You know what I mean? I was like, I need this girl to be my girlfriend. I want her to have the best time. I want this to be a great relationship. This is a great way to kick it off. Let's do it. You know? I appreciated that. Good.

Because I was having anxiety about it. That's a nice thing. I mean, not to, I mean. And I woke up really early that morning and like ran to Publix as soon as they opened. And of course, I'm like, where are you? What are you doing? And he's like, just don't worry. And I'm like, you're being weird. And so I go get flowers. I go get a card. And I'm like, will you be my girlfriend? Like check one, you know, check the other. And she checked yes. Thank God. Yeah.

She's like, she checked now, but I've been holding it hostage. But I just kind of stayed. So, I mean, that was kind of like how it all started.

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Have you thought about what your mom would think of Tate? My mom, like I was part of it too, is that my mom would love Tate. And I think of all the girls I've dated in the past, like I was like, my mom, like it'd be like, it's like 2.0, but you know, but. Maybe like best friends. Yeah, they would just have so much fun together. And I was just, that's like, that's one thing I always thought of was like,

It always scared me how much she would resemble me. I'm like, it was like a fearful thing at first, but I was like, you got to embrace it eventually. And I remember even like one time, cause my mom had a smell to her and. A good smell. A good smell. Like, and like, like she always wore perfumes and she always, you know what I mean? And I've never noticed that on anyone else, you know? And then Tate had, I was like, and they're like, I remember that one time I was like, whoa. It was like the same perfume. It wasn't the same perfume, but it was like a strong, distinct smell. I was just like,

And it like made me think of my mom right away. I was like, this is crazy, you know? And so I was just like, all these things were like signs. How soon did you meet Tate after your mom passed? It was like three, four years later. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. Do you feel like maybe there's a world in like your mom, like put Tate in your life? I think so. I think, I mean, I think she's like a, she, I mean, Tate has been a blessing, you know, either way, you know, I think, so I think it's like, uh, something I'm very grateful for and,

glad I took the leap because like I said I've always been scared to do like but not been scared to mess around with the wrong ones but always been scared of messing with the right one because the right one you know like that's end game you know what I mean I think also I was your friend like we yes we worked together but we were friends I think you respected me as a friend so I think that also went into play like other girls you didn't have like that

type of relationship where like she was hanging with your like group of friends and stuff it was kind of like yeah yeah i feel like what i have most of all my relationships i have my best friend you know and i think every other relationship i've had is like i had the girl i was like a girlfriend you know what i mean we're here i have my best friend too and i have like someone that you know we get up and we do everything with like like when she's a

80 and I'm bringing 20 sometimes and she's or sometimes it flips and sometimes we catch it and we're both 100 and it's sick you know but a lot it's too much honestly yeah all the walls are getting demolished in the house you know how were you nervous about once people started learning about you know

you being in Tyler's life and the role you played in it, like, because the internet is like very mean, especially to women. Like now he's gone through a hell of a time dating me as a result of like my audience and things like that. And obviously like Tyler's audience is, you know, a certain kind of audience with certain expectations of Tyler and you're kind of coming in and, and maybe to some people ruining that, because again, like he was,

You know, I was like notoriously single, but like Tyler was famously single, you know? And was that intimidating for you? What was that like? Yeah. I mean, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't. I mean, as much as you want to like be like, I'm so cool and not bothered by anything. Of course, I had a tidbit of like anxiety as far as, oh, he's obviously very beautiful.

And like so many girls want him. So I was just like waiting for people to be like, that's what he ended up with. Like, oh, my God, this like beautiful man. Like, that's what he like. That's his end game. And so like that was always like in the back of my head. I will say a lot of people like the majority. So nice. They like cheer me on. They like hype me up.

But of course you can have so many good comments and it's always the one it's like, I mean, a lot of people are like, wow, he went from Gigi and, you know, page to this, like, oh my God. And it's like jokes on you guys. I know they're stunning. Like I would love to look like that. I mean, I love looking like myself too, but like, I think we're all fine. And yeah, he dated beautiful people of course. And I'm sure they were wonderful, but also I'm like,

should someone just marry them like should he get married to someone just because they're better looking than me like what's going on you also don't give yourself like you're beautiful and stunning and i love bringing you to like all these like influencer events and these like of whatever these things are stagecoach all those things i'm like see like they ain't that fucking special like you know what i mean like you're it's that instagram filter yeah i'm like i'm like you're beautiful like you almost feel like you're supposed to like

concede to like Gigi Hadid, you know, because like she's like, she's literally known as a supermodel as it's like, well, her ex Bella dates now. So she'd been bagging people forever. It's just a mind fuck. What was it like for you at first? I remember like distinctly, I think having a conversation with you being like, I'm not ready to,

to like tell the world yet. Like it was like very scary for me. And I think it's because people kind of like caught wind. I was like took a like selfie in the backyard and someone like matched up like it was. And I remember it. Yeah. And I was getting like DMs already and we hadn't even like posted anything. And I just got really nervous. And I remember being like, I'm just not ready for this. Like, I think we should wait.

Because like once you invite a third party into your relationship, it's very hard. Yeah. And especially for someone who's not used to it. Yes. And has never had to worry about like. Yeah. The stuff that people come at her for is just like they're just like a lot of them are trying to find things, you know, so they make issues over spilt milk. You know what I mean? Like. I mean.

Literally and figuratively. You have to think about it. It's a projection of themselves. It's things that they wish they had or they don't. I've gotten so much shit. We're trained for this. I'm sure you're much more trained for it now. Now you're thrown into the fire, which is a scary thing. We're throwing you to the wolves. You got to just...

learn how to take the punches and roll with it. It sucks. I think people like to create their own stories too. Cause if not, like nothing's interesting. So it's like, they like to create what they think it is. And then someone else likes what they've created. So then they chime in and then it like just rolls. And we've always said like, the truth is never as viral or interesting or like juicy as whatever this person's story has made up. And it dies. And it dies.

It dies. It dies. And at the end of the day, it's like, I don't know them. They don't know me. Yeah. Like, why would I this? Why would this affect my life when I literally have never probably will never ever meet this person? But like what advice or help has Tyler given you as you have started to like grow your platform and people are starting to give opinions to you that aren't warranted? Honestly, Tyler being in a relationship with him and I.

say this to him all the time. It doesn't bother me as much when people, if they decide to shit on me online, because he's the first boyfriend I've ever dated who truly lets me be my 100% full self. And he loves it too. I've dated guys who've pretended like they like how fun and outgoing I am and act like it's, oh my God, you're like the greatest. And then we'll get

further into the relationship and they've like got me. And then all of a sudden everything I do is like bad and they make me feel bad for everything. And I start to hate myself. So it's easy to like shy away like these stupid comments because I mean, he is like my biggest hype man. If anything, like he's like telling me, go dance more, go be crazier, go. He's like, he loves it. And like, I always catch him like watching me from the sidelines, just like with light in his eyes. I'm like, oh my gosh, I've never had someone just fully like just absolutely

absolutely love who I am. It's taken out such like the mind game of it where I feel like in past relationships, it was like, I'm such a people pleaser that I was always just trying to think of like, okay, if I just do this, then they'll be happy. Or if I just do this, then they'll be happy. And like, okay, if I just like reel it in a little bit, like,

then like they won't yell at me. And I don't even think this was a joke one time, which actually isn't a joke and I'm probably toxic. But he said one time when we were joking and I was yelling at him to do something, he's like, do you talk to all your other boyfriends like this? And I go, no, because none of them has ever been as nice as you are to me.

Yeah, I was scared. He's like, wait a second. And I was like, you know what? That's actually kind of messed up. But it's true. Like, I don't think I used to sit in bed and think about like every scenario that could happen or what would I say if this happened or this and that. And it's like, I'm so open, like we're so open, like we know everything. It's just so much easier. It's such like such a nice feeling to like not feel like you're trying to like

conform and like shape shift into like who this person thinks that you should be. And yeah. - I remember like, I remember early on she'd be like so afraid cause like she thought she messed something up. Was almost like coward from me. I'm like, yo, what's wrong? You know, I'm like, she's like, well I mess this up and I don't want to, I'm like, who gives a shit? You know what I mean? Like she got-- - When you say mess up, what do you mean? - Like for instance, this is a really like, she got, she was driving my truck and got T-boned, right?

And when she got T-bone, she called me freaking out. Like, I'm so sorry about your car. I'm like, fuck the car. Are you good? You know what I mean? Like, and like, I get there and she's like, so worried about like the car, the car, the car. Like, are you, you know, like me being mad at her. And I'm just like, you're healthy. You're like, your sister's healthy. Everyone's good. Like, thank fucking God. Like that stuff. No money or not. Like that stuff. We'll figure it out. You know what I mean? And she was like, and then like, I remember they're like,

Oh my God. Like my ex would have freaked out on me. And like, you know, went ballistic on me. I was like, why? I don't know. I also grew up in a household like where like my parents fought a lot and I don't like to fight. Like if you get me to yell or like, I must be losing my mind about something. Cause like I tried to never fight. I have a hard time speaking up about things that I don't like just because of like,

been around like combativeness my whole life i just like will do anything to avoid a fight you know do you think that's something you've had to work on because at some point you guys need to like i have to be better about speaking up about things and like i think i'm better with us sometimes she'll know because i'll get quiet about things and she'll be like what is it and then she'll pull it out of me um and then you're gonna talking though one another moment where i was like oh my gosh is when we

Pretty early on, I was like after the gala when we have like officially we're dating, I was upset about something. And I have a hard time speaking up too, because I just felt like everything I would say in like previous relationships was wrong. And so I would always try to say it like as eloquently as I could. And then it would always just make it worse. And I would end up crying. And it was like, okay, well, I should just like shut up and like not speak. And one time I got upset and he came over to me and he's like,

get off the computer, stand up. He's like, we're going for a walk. And he like made me take a walk around the neighborhood with him. And he's like, I can't fix like what's going on. And I can't be better unless you communicate to me like what it is that I did or like what is bothering you. And it was such like a,

I was probably like a deer in headlights too. Like the first night we snuggled. Cause I was like so taken back that I was like, Oh my God, like we're going to just talk. Like we're not going to yell. Like I'm not going to cry. Like this is crazy. So it's yeah. I will tell you though, when I do get in these little arguments with her, she's so logical and so good at remembering everything. I just get crushed. How do y'all fight? If you do fight, I think we just like, if something's up, like either we'll like,

get into it right away and they'll settle it right away. Like, does one of y'all need your space and then like, you'll come back. Sometimes we do. Yeah. Sometimes we do. It's on and off. I think most of the time, if it's something that he does, the reason that we can kind of get over it so quickly is I, I find that he doesn't intend. It's not like he's intentionally trying to like do whatever he's doing to like irritate me or like,

you know, piss me off. So it's easier to be like when he explains it and I'm just like, okay, you're just, you were just an idiot. It makes it easier to just kind of like roll past it. As long as I'm like, hey, like,

I'm acknowledging that you're an idiot, but please acknowledge that maybe let's do that a different way the next time you decide to do that. But I mean, it's interesting. You weren't in the public eye. Natalie wasn't in the public eye. I don't know about you, but did you ever give any thought, once you were in the public eye, once you had dated some monster celebrities, there is an element of like,

It's sometimes easier to date people in the public eye because you don't get like I've been on dates where it's like, what was like so-and-so like or they pretend not to have watched. And then it's just like they they just make you feel kind of weird, you know. But I've dated like celebrities and that's a whole thing.

Another kind of weird, you know? And like, were you surprised that you ended up with someone who didn't start in the public eye or give thought to like whether you preferred someone who did or didn't? The reality is like, our world isn't weird. Like, it's not normal. Right.

we normalize our lives and then we forget how unnormal it can be when we like get into a relationship. And I'm like, again, like how this whole conversation started. We're like, Hey, I'm doing GMA. I got a thing. And she's like, this motherfucker invited me to a date. He's on with another person, you know? And like, now he would bring that up a couple of times. And in my mind, I'm just thinking like,

like calm down. Like what's the big deal? Like I felt like she was like making a big deal about something that wasn't. Yeah. Well, I think I've run into that a lot of times. Like she's like, if you would have just explained it more to me, I would have felt more comfortable in the situation. And we overlook it because we just think things are so normal.

you know and i and so that has been like a huge learning lesson is like talking things through like what you know what it is and why we're doing it this way you know especially early on in relationship when we were like keeping under the wraps and everything like that it was just like we're doing it this way because the show and you know what i mean it was just all that i will say you've gotten significantly better at just keeping me in the loop in the beginning it was very frustrating because i would always just want to be in the loop

But then when I would say that to him, he would take it as like me telling him not to do stuff. And he'd be like, this is my job. Like, and he would make it like, this is my job. Like, what do you want me to do? Like, this is the things that I have to do. And it was never about like, hey, I don't care if everyone else thinks that like, if you go on a talk show, you're dating someone that you were on a talk show with or whatever. But like, if you go on there and I don't know that you're going to be on there, like, and this girl's flirting with you and all this different stuff, like,

I feel stupid. No, totally. I don't care if the rest of the world thinks I'm stupid because, ha ha, they don't know that I'm in the loop. Right. Yeah, totally. I mean, I remember Nick and I were fully, you know, not dating, but definitely we. So, yeah. And he posted an Instagram picture with and like made a caption like very flirty. And everyone in the captions was like, oh, my gosh, y'all should date, date, date, date, date. And I was like, why?

Like what I'm sitting at home in Georgia, like not with this man being like, oh my God, I'm like, am I stupid? Like what the hell? And if he just would have been like, hey, I got to do this bit for Instagram. People are going to lean in and it's going to be stupid, but like, don't worry. And that's kind of like what a lot of this stuff is. We just do things because we know it's going to get a reaction. Yeah. And we know that it's just like,

Because the whole part of this game that we're playing is just keep getting reactions, keep getting reactions, keep getting, you know what I mean? So now I think our game is hopefully getting reactions to

the houses we build and design, you know? But what I... Recently, there's been, like, some... You threw, like, a milk jug or something. Some milk at, like, a DJ. So you've been getting heat? Oh, yeah. It's actually my first round of, like, people just... Like, you've done it. Like, really hate me, like, because of this bit. Which...

I'll say this from an outside perspective looking in it's a lot. Our friend at country night there are DJs so they were DJing at the day party that Tyler's been putting on in Jupiter at this bar called Topside and

They bring jugs of milk when they DJ places. And they're my friends. We also had our friend JP there who's a maniac. So he like hypes me up and whatever. Anyways, I'm going to look like Mrs. Doubtfire. I'm a maniac to begin with. Like if anyone knows me, like I don't care if I'm in here. I am. Yeah. She's just like drowning herself in milk.

And then I fall, which everyone's like, oh, my gosh, she's blackout drunk, which I mean, I don't know if this helps or doesn't help, because maybe if I'm blackout drunk, it will make me not look so stupid. But I really had only had like two or three drinks. Like I was not blacked out at all. Like I went home, ate dinner, like and then I went somewhere else like later that night. But there was one point where I slipped because the milk is so slippery when you wear cowboy boots. And Tyler tried to help me up and.

I like push him away and I'm like, no, I've got this. And in my mind, I was thinking, oh, like when people crowd surf and they don't get caught and like they fall on the ground and then the crowd goes silent. But then they pop back up and everyone's like, yeah, that was what I wanted to do. And in my mind, I was going to do it where I was like, no, don't help me. I got this. And I was going to do a cool trick and pop back up. But then I slipped on the milk again when I tried to do my cool trick.

But anyways, everyone's like, she's so rude. Like, he's such a gentleman. He's trying to help her up. And like, she's such a bitch. Like, how could he be like out of everyone? Like, how could you be blah, blah, blah. They hated that I pushed him away. And yeah.

It really wasn't that serious and it wasn't that deep. And I blame him. He's hyping me up. He was like, yeah, pour the milk. Dance. And he posted that video while I was sleeping. I was like taking a nap. Wait, you posted that? The milk video he posted while I was asleep. Yeah. And he posts dancing videos, but the slippery milk made it look like I was asleep.

way more wasted than I actually was. You were just slipping. Yeah. And then people have to bring in like, oh, that's like the chick that you want to be like the mother of your children. And I'm like, OK, can we just relax? Like, yeah, they love. Yeah. And they're like, oh, my God, can you imagine being her mom? I was like, my mom thinks I'm awesome. And my mom would be pouring the milk on her as well. And we'd be in it together. So but people do come out of like the woodwork with crazy comments. I just said this the other day, but we posted our like

full wedding video on our anniversary and someone commented wearing a full length veil while fully having birth to child seems ironic. I'm like what? The things people like you wanted me to wear a red dress? Yes. I guess. Like with an A on it? Like symbolize virginity. Oh yeah. There's like all this you know the white dresses it's all like They were slut shaming my wife. Yeah. They were calling me a whore. Yeah.

They said I looked like I was having no fun. I'm like, okay. I replied, I'm sorry you're hurting. I got a lot of likes. Yeah. I just like, even that whole video, I posted like six videos of her dancing and they all like, it's all fun. Because I love watching her dance. I'm always cheering her on. I have so many videos of her dancing just because it's like, she does this stupid ass move.

and i freaking love it he loves my grapevine yeah and so like i think it's so fun because like i don't know i've always like been like love being around the person who likes to go for it likes to give it their all and like whatever we're doing she always does that do you feel like your past girlfriends have been like too cool yeah and i hate that because like if you meet any of my friends we're all we're the village idiots yeah like we're all having fun we're all cutting up we're all getting down and like

she's one of the village idiots like us, you know? And like, we don't go out that much. So when we do, like, we'll go for it because like, why sit on your ass? Also, he's the one like hosting these day parties. So I'm trying to actively, like, I want them to be a success for him. I mean, I probably could have gone a more mellow route, but... Like it's a creative choice. Yeah, thank you. But even the day parties that he had previous, it's like, I...

I am trying to get everyone excited. I'm trying to get everyone up dancing. Like I am trying to create like a fun space for everyone to just like let loose. You were literally thinking of your boyfriend. I was thinking of Tyler, you guys. No, I just, I love it when she's like cutting her rug and like making moves. Like it just, to me, it's fun. I enjoy it. And that's all I thought it was, you know? And like people are like, oh, you should push away. I'm like, that's a guy. If your girl falls, go help her up. If she doesn't want the help, let her be.

You're like, don't take a... I took zero offense to it. I was just there every time she fell and I knew she was going to keep cutting, moving, keep doing it. When I saw it though, I was like, it does look rude. Like the way that it's... No. I know what I was thinking in my mind, but like it looked rude. So I knew as soon as I saw it, I was like, oh, people are going to like have something to say about this. Sure, yes. We can... It's very easy to watch. Certainly a picture, but definitely a video to interpret it.

Yeah. Again, people love to make stories. Yeah. But yeah, I just like, I think, I don't know. It doesn't, I don't think it looks rude. I think you start to think it looks rude because of what people say. The one issue I have with comments and it's even happened to me, like,

The more people comment, the more shit you read, the more you become trigger shy and posting the stuff you do. Like I think about the stuff I used to post, like when I came out about, I was wild and like letting shit rip and it was funny. It was this, it was that. But then you say something here and it didn't work for something. Then you start kind of getting more sensitive and more sensitive. Nick always says it handcuffs you creatively. It does. It does. And so it's like, I, I, I get upset with her when she's like reading this stuff. I'm like, don't because like,

It'll start to be in the back of your mind when you're starting to think about saying something or doing something. You think about this one person. Yeah. You know, like I call it 80-20. We're like 80% of it's great. 20% of it sucks. Like why focus on the 20? I think that's definitely like one thing that Nick has very much instilled in my brain that I'm very grateful for because in the beginning I was definitely like,

Reading every comment. I was like scouring Reddit being like, what do these people think of me? Like I need acceptance from anonymous strangers. And then it was like so fucking mean. And Nick was like, you have to stop reading this stuff. The good stuff doesn't matter. The bad stuff doesn't matter. You just like can't read any of it.

and honestly I was like by the way no one fucking likes me on reddit so like yeah don't go looking for a compliment you won't find it yeah it's just like at the end I think like Benny Blanco was just like in an interview saying all this where he like he doesn't read it because it's like

the good comments aren't good for you because you believe them. 'Cause you're like, "Oh my God, I am beautiful." - "Oh my God, I'm amazing." - "Thank you." And then you read the hate comment and you're like, "What?" - Well, they're both strangers. - I did just believe that. - They're both strangers. - So you have to believe the bad if you're gonna believe the good. - And think about it. Do you think, like think about your close friends. This is how I was trying to think about it. Think about your close friends. Do you think they're the ones that would go on to Reddit and be an anonymous person and sit there and have conversations about people they don't know all the time? Or do you think they would be the ones with a fake profile

like comments, mean stuff on people's stuff. Like our close friends wouldn't be the ones doing that. Like you then you gotta realize what kind of person that is, you know? And so it's like, don't stoop to that level. And like, don't let the people that are at that level

affect what's going on in your brain and your creativeness and your self-consciousness. Who you think you are. Because it sucks. It fucks everyone up. I think we're all ignorant to say it doesn't. At one point, we've been through the ringer. And now you're all getting thrown into it. Yeah, it's just hard. Thanks, guys. I do think the sad part about it is that one day it's going to end really bad for somebody.

Yeah. And it's going to be someone that we all know. And like, someone's like, Oh, sure. Yeah. You know, like I, no, I know sometimes I just like, can't comprehend that. Like, just because it's like the thought of like creating a profile just to say like nasty things about something you've never met before is like so wild to me.

that someone would spend their time doing that, but it is, it's like just a constant, like you kind of have to just practice, like not. You also like part of it too, is this like, you know, there's always a lot of conversations, especially like about reality TV and like when we cover it in terms of like, you know, the bad producers or like the, like the moral responsibility of these TV shows and these big mean contracts we all sign. And like, I'm not here to like defend production companies or producers or things like that, but like,

I think sometimes we also have to remember like it's different for you ladies. Cause like you didn't sign up for this, you know, like now he's a little different and not, you know, like right now you still have just been playing the role of like, you're doing your thing. You're, you're, you're Tyler Cameron's girlfriend. Now he has chose to be on the show. She has chosen to like,

you know do a brand deal yeah you know being like now nally is in it right and so like once you're in like this arena the business of it like the haters pay your bills yeah like honestly it's not your fans as much that is the haters they keep people engaged like the haters activate your your fans like because most of your fans are too busy going about their lives and be like yeah i'm a fan

And it's always like when your haters really just, and your fan comes across a hate comment and they want to kind of defend you. But it's like you really have to let the haters, you have to be okay with it. It is like the game we kind of chose. Again, you're a little different because you didn't choose this as much. So that's the part that sucks. But as we become more involved, it just kind of comes with the territory. Once you just kind of accept that where it's just like, it's like a necessary thing that needs to happen.

100%. I mean, at the end of the day, it's fun. There's so much fun that comes with coming into this stuff, the things that I've gotten to do with him, even our day-to-day, the simple things. If I just was in normal life, it's like you don't get to do what we do and do it so closely with your partner. So I think we're very lucky, too. Yeah, I think part of the reason one of the biggest reasons I fell in love with Tate was like,

her light shines so bright and it shines so bright on like so many of the people. And like, she, she just lifts everyone's energy up. Like, I love that about her. And I just get worried of people dimming that light. And I don't like, that's the only thing I ever get scared of. And like,

Because I do push you a lot. I'm like, you need to do this and do that. And I'm trying to tell her, you need to start an interior design company. He starts a new business for me every day as I'm trying to start the 10 businesses that he wants to start for himself. But I just think you're so skilled, have such a vision, so great at all these things. And I'm like, I'm always trying to push you, push you, push you. And I get afraid that you seeing and hearing and reading what other people have to say about you will...

make you scared to do that because like it has affected me and like I don't want those effects to affect you it makes me insecure about certain things I want to try and do like where I'm just like no you just gotta stop worrying about what these people say and just go do it and like that's why I try I like you know I'll get on you about it don't read that like come on like that's not who you are you know like because I'm like

I think Tate as a whole could be just whatever she wants to be. She could be the best. She'd be the best designer. She could be the best personality. You know what I mean? So I just, I'm trying to like, I totally, I hear it. You're totally here. You're saying, but also you got to remember like your guys's story too. Like it's a cautionary tale in a way. Like, I mean, truly like the story you just told, like it's not realistic.

We became friends first. Yeah. With the heartthrob guy. Yeah. Like, oh, well, for all the ladies out there who are friends with a guy there are secretly in love with that they've been chasing for a long time. Do not listen to this episode. You know what I'm saying? Like, but with that, you are going to get a shit ton of fucking haters and criticisms. And it doesn't like, I think the people who ever probably even say that shit and project that shit. Yeah.

It's just like they're not, you know, it's just like as soon as they see the milk video, right? Their first thought was like, why does this bitch deserve this life? Oh, for sure. Absolutely. You know, like I would never throw milk. I deserve this. You know what I'm saying? It's just coming from that place of like encapsulating everything about who you are by watching this video and then projecting what's not going right for them and

and being frustrated with what's going right for you, you know, and then I'll turn to you. But then it's like, you have to think about how you thought about that day before you read any comments. And like, I bet you were like, that was so much fun. We had a great time. And then like, if the comments were, oh my gosh, she's so silly and goofy, love her. Like you would never have a bad thought about it once. But because one person, two people, three people were like, OMG, you're like, yeah, I shouldn't have done that. And yeah, it did kind of look

rude and I should you know it's like you never would have thought that if you hadn't read those comments yeah no I did tell Tyler when we went to stagecoach I was like no videos of me dancing not we're not doing that this time which yeah we missed out yeah I danced a little bit

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Another funny fact, I actually wing-womaned for Tyler a bunch too. Oh, say more. Yeah. He has this thing, or he had this thing, where he's an avoidant, so he never knew how to get girls to leave. So he would always do this thing where...

They would like start hanging around and they like think that they're like finally the person that like Tyler Cameron is like falling in love with. And all of a sudden I'd get a call or our friend Kate would get a call or us together would get a call like, hey, can you guys just come here for a sec? And so we'd go hang out. All of a sudden, where's Tyler? He's like not at the house anymore. Like we're all hanging out. Like leaves us with this girl.

This was like multiple times. So you had to send home the booty calls? Oh, yeah. I would pick them up sometimes, too. What? Yeah, I picked them up, dropped them off. This was before we ever did. The fact that you had your assistant doing that shit is crazy. Pick up somebody to meet me for an event?

I mean, the one time that I did, the time I picked them up, it was to go to like an event, but still funny. I couldn't pick them up. So it was during work hours. I was like, can you go pick up this girl? I don't think it was during work hours. You were collected. Can you go pick up this girl from the station and then bring her to me? Yeah.

But you would take some home like at the morning? No. No. So he would be like, hey, yeah, can you just hang out with them? I made enough money to get an Uber for, you know. But sometimes I just wouldn't leave. And so then I would text him and I've come to realize that Tyler would literally rather give a girl his home and just be like, just take it and I'll leave. Yeah, if we ever break up, we'll be good. Then telling them that like, hey, I think it's time to go. Like, hey, I'm busy. Like, maybe like, let's get you an Uber home. Couldn't you just be like, hey, I just like, I have a doctor.

at a doctor's appointment he makes it way too complicated this is like how the things that like used to upset me in the beginning where i'd be like hey if you just communicated that with me this wouldn't be that big of a deal like that's another example but like a little bit deeper like i had a girl that made it so much worse she came in and bought a one-way ticket in i didn't know what she was ever leaving like how long i didn't know how to get her to leave she flew in yeah and only oh

And then I just like, I was like, so I just started right away. I started calling Kate and Tate. I was like, Hey, can y'all go hang out with her?

for a little bit and i'd be work work is actually going to be at the airbnb so we hang by the pool so that i make our work day at the airbnb then i would dip out i got hair in the room remember when we all got our nails done everyone got the nails and hers took like 10 extra hours we got like i don't know something simple and stupid she like got a pedicure got like a gel with an acrylic like yeah so we're all like afterwards we're sitting in the front of the nail salon all three of us just sitting there and she's just like back at the table she's like the

And then takes his card and like he bought like pays for it. I mean, as a real gentleman does. And then I remember it was like an hour later. She did something like we were all trying to play like bump a volleyball or something. And it just went and broke her. I know. We're all like, damn, that's rough. She's like, I gotta go back. Don't come with. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, I mean, Tate saw it all before she got into this mess. Truly. But I think, you know, I'm excited for her and I'm excited for us. I think the reason why we work well together is just because we both, like, we want to build something special. We want to build a house. We want to build a family. We want to do these things. It's not just life. So, like, when do you think you're going to propose? Yeah.

let's just get right to it I mean is that the deep question you wanted me to yeah well he's the one being like and the family it's like okay so like well yeah well I mean the reason why one of the main reasons I was like she'd be the best mother best wife all that stuff so I was like you know like

any idea i got she's like down to try and make it happen and build it out and like and same with her she's built your whole house she pretty much my bare hands i tried to help but then she she fires me all the time she like is laying grout like this is crazy yeah she she she stoned our whole fireplaces and and grounded and then she fired the painters out of the house kicked them all out and then painted the whole thing herself before we had our pottery barn deal

And then I tried to help Stone in one place and then it all fell on me and she kicked me out. He has really good intentions when he comes to help and it's cute and it's like, oh my gosh.

And then all of a sudden, like his foot is in like a paint can and he's like falling over and like knocking over. I don't know the ladder that I'm on and I'm like dead hanging from the seat. Yeah. Dead. Like not alive anymore. And so it's just it's always good and like good intentions. But I'm always just like, just just set it down. Yeah. Just like just go somewhere else. And then I started thinking like, are you doing this on purpose? Like you do want five kids. Yeah. And like.

I know we gotta get to it. Yeah. At some point, you do kind of. And he's like so adamant. I, me, the women do not have as much time. And five's a lot. But for five? And I'm not even engaged? And it's not even like a convo? I have a deep question for you. Something Natalie and I learned in our relationship is like our, like,

our connection and not and like an like a tangible connection like do we feel connected or do we feel disconnected like as a tangible thing to be mindful of you know does that make sense where it's just like i feel connected to my wife or not on the same page like what are times where you feel the most connected and like what do you guys do if you're feeling disconnected who makes the first move to try to reconnect you guys i think the times we most feel connected are

I'd say is like when we're building stuff, we're fired up about something. Like, I think that's like when we're most connected and like we see things come together and like, damn, we did that. Like we, we can do this. We do anything together, you know? And I think like, I think just at home life, getting through home stuff together. When I feel the most connected to you, like, yes, the building stuff, but like, there's never been such like a sense of peace that I've ever had before other than like,

ordering in food, like sitting on the couch at night. Like it's just and I'm like looking around. I'm like, wow, like we're in our house. Like this is our life. Like and it just feels so right. And I don't know. And it's just easy. Like there's no I think I said earlier, but there's just no like I feel like I used to think, think, think, think, think when I was in other relationships. And it's like my mind is so calm when it's just us. Like it's so at ease. There's no

like conflicting thoughts like as i'm sitting there like trying to think about the next move to make sure that i do the right next move and i mean i don't know if i scare you and you don't feel the same like that but no no i agree i think what i was like harping on more like on my side of it like when i feel like can like my biggest fear

in life is, is cause as losing it, like my, my, my parents, they lost all their money when, Oh wait, happened and the market crashed. And then we lost our family shortly afterwards. Like it just went to shit. And so for me, like financial stability has always been like such a big thing. And, and I've always been on my own and like this,

world that we're in now, like it's helped me expedite the success I've had, like in construction and building all these things. Cause I basically went from being like, you know, a guy working with a hammer, making 200 bucks a week to now being able to buy homes, flip them and do it all myself. And like, I skipped all the middle part, you know? So really we're like learning how to flip and renovate these houses on our own. And when we're doing this stuff, I love working with her cause she's got such a good eye and she's so like

she goes hard so it makes me go hard like and like we just work so well together we push each other and there's like we'll get up at 6 a.m and we'll leave a job site at like 9 30 10 o'clock at night like eating barbecue and be like fuck we did it you know and then like getting up and doing it again and it's like fun it's like i'm doing my best friend and like we're building something special because like i have a fear of always like well this bachelor shit's gonna run out like you know i can't be making money off social media forever so how the hell am i gonna make money elsewhere and

And then it's like us building these things together and, you know, going through these houses and building these, you know, I want to build a property management company. I want to build more rentals. I want to build more units. I want to do all these things. And like, then once we knock one out, we knock the next one out. I'm like, damn, we can really build something special together. And like, you know, that we don't have to worry about being on our phones or doing this stuff. Like we can just, you know, and so like, that's where I feel connected because we're pushing each other and making each other better and greater. And then we're like, we're always like, the way I look at things is like, we're creating lives for our kids.

And so, I don't know. I feel good. Five children. Five kids. Yeah. I mean, I love the answer. I relate to it a ton. I mean, it's just like, yeah, just like having a partner to do life with. I know it's like so cliche when you hear all like the wedding speeches and things like, have a partner. Yeah. But it really is like, I don't know, there is something about feeling like knowing that you have...

that person to do, to do life with, to do projects with, to like accomplish things together. Yeah. It's so much more meaningful, you know, like when you think of, you know, and like we have our daughter. So now it's just like, it does make it more purposeful. Like, I mean, now it's just like, I think about my life when I was single and just kind of like

how stupid a lot of, a lot of, a lot of it was. Like, I got to do fun shit, but there was really a kind of no meaning behind it. Purpose or meaning. At least I didn't know what that meaning was, you know, other than like checking a box or doing something off, you know, that like, oh, that was cool, you know, as opposed to like having more meaning behind

behind it and like yeah just feeling like you're accomplishing something and like you know to do things with natalie is way more enjoyable than doing it by yourself yeah i think like you know like on the flip side the only time i ever do feel disconnected is like when things like aren't rocking and rolling you know what i mean like like kind of like lately right now we've been sitting on our hands because like we just threw a lot too money into two houses and then we have uh and then

And then I just paid a lot of tax money. You know what I mean? I was like, damn, I thought I had more money to invest than I do, you know? So then I'm like sitting on my hands, like, what do we do? What do we do? You know what I mean? And then I like, I get squirrely in my head and then we kind of like, I can feel like that's when I get disconnected. And then it's like, I should be expressing those feelings to her about like,

I'm in my head about this. Like, I don't feel good about that. Like, and then we have those talks and it's always so much better than we always lock in together. Cause I always think it's something that I'm doing and like, he's disappointed in me and yeah, the communication definitely during those times. I think that's natural. I feel like that's probably how I feel as well. It's like, if, if we're disconnected, it's definitely a like sense of,

Like what's, what have I done that makes him feel like he's like going away when usually it's just, yeah, business or something that's in his own head. Yeah. Like haven't gotten a chance to sit down and talk about it. Yeah. And I think too, like sometimes it's like, I feel insecure about talking about it. You know, like I don't feel good about where I'm at with this and what I'm doing with this or, or, you know, cause like business wise, financial wise, like I've never had anyone to teach me anything, you know? So it's like, I've been getting screwed over, fucked over.

you know, learning the hard way on all these things and still learning the hard way on all these things. And I'm like, I don't want to tell her how I got burned or I just wasted this on the, you know what I mean? So it's like, well, also like, I just want to fight everyone. And he's like so much more chill and calm. I'm just like making this up as I go. Yeah. Like I don't fucking know. Well, but I think, you know, at the end of it, like it just gets better if we just keep doing it and we keep doing it together and we keep talking through it, you know, like just like you, I mean, you've been such a great additive to what,

what Nick does here. And it's like, but you guys just keep figuring it out and keep going and keep growing. - As someone who observes relationships a lot and judges people a lot, it is just great to see this relationship and you guys together, especially, you know, like, you know, we, like we talk about guys and fuck boys and situationships a lot, you know, like just hearing, like there are so many men out there, right?

men who are successful with women who like, you know, for whatever Tyler did as a single person, like he was always upfront. You know what I'm saying? And you, you know, whoever's, I don't know what you think about Tyler's version of his story when it was just like, you know, I had all these women and then one, you know, it's just like, then I have this person in front of me and I don't want to fuck it up. But like, there's a lot of intention behind that. And there are a lot of men who will float, like we'll say the L word and talk about relationships and, and,

to close the deal essentially to like get in bed. Have you said I love you yet? Oh God. Y'all want to hear a fucking story. Yeah. You want me to tell it? So we hadn't said I love you yet. It was probably like a couple months into dating. We went on a brand trip to Aspen and it was,

One of those moments where he was like in the shower, but I was like in the bathroom, like doing my makeup or something. And I was giggling about something he said. And I was like, oh, like, oh, I love you. Like, I love you. Like, because he said something stupid. And I was like, no, no, it's fine. I'm like, God, I love you or something like that, like slipped out. And I just immediately got quiet. And I was like, oh, I hope he didn't hear it. Like, what do I do now? And I just and he was in the shower. So it was all steamy. You're like, ahem, ahem.

It's loud and you can't hear anything. Probably like a 10 second pause and then he just goes, Tate, you're the best. And I was like, I'm gonna just... Okay, here's my thing. Love is a very, very strong word. You should just pat her on the head. Okay, buddy. I don't think I said that. Maybe I said that. Tate, you're just the best. Yeah, good of you. I don't believe in just saying I love you to say I love you.

Like, I think that's like very hypocritical. Like you said, just using the L word to get in bed with somebody. And so I, I'm not going to tell you that until I can fully say, I do mean it. You know what I mean? And like, love you as a friend. Sure. But like, love you as someone who like, like, like romantically want to be in love with is like a different thing, you know? And it took me, you know, it took me until yesterday. It happened right before it was mother's day. But I just like,

people will probably shit on me for that no i actually appreciate it because i think he has always been an open book and i was friends with them and he i'm friends with his friends who have seen him through like all of his relationships and they always said like oh as soon as he likes a girl he's like oh i love her i love her i'm gonna like she is the best thing in the world so it was actually cool to see how he was where he would get like go all in and just

and then it would always like crash and burn whereas like wow he's being so much more like delicate and like careful with me rather than like the other girls like I'm like so different different yeah I mean I haven't known Tyler that long but kind of what I was saying before it's just like I know that the time I mean I was like like that where it was like I I didn't I never wanted to lead people on I

I never said things about feelings that didn't mean it's just like if I was, you know, people know me as a pretty direct, honest guy. And I very much was like that in dating. I mean, Nellie's told the story when we first met, I was like, we'll never date, you know? And cause I just didn't want to, but like the flip side of that is like, you know, once I was in a relationship, like I don't fuck around, you know, I'm very like, and I see that energy with relationships.

with Tyler in you and it's very like it's great it's very endearing it's very intentional and like it's it's it's very real but like yeah that's cute but like but I don't I think my my first time I read a girl was like a year until I said I love you like I like I don't like two months like I don't I'm sorry like we're still like

getting romantic, you know? To clarify, you have said it since. Yes. Yes. Yes. There's rules now. Like, I got to say I love you and give her a kiss before I leave her. Yeah. And we'll scurry back in. There's no love you. It's I love you. Yeah. I love you. Like, big old smooch. But like, I'm like excited and proud and happy to say it. You know, which was before, like, I would have hated to say I love you at that point too just for her to be happy. Then us saying it, saying it, then I come and almost resent the word. Yeah.

Then you call it a love bar. Yeah. Yeah.

So I didn't know how to respond at that point. You know what I mean? Because Mother's Day, she said it again to me. She's like, I just love you. Well, he was talking about his mom. That is a little confusing because it's just like, I just love you. It's just like, I can say that about anyone. But I love you. And then the Mother's Day, she's like panicked. She's like, I'm sorry. We were having a very deep conversation and we were just sitting in the car and he was talking about his mom and

I was like checking on him because I think that, you know, naturally that would be like a hard holiday and.

I think it just came out like I was saying something nice and I was, you know, I just love you and I just want you to like know that like I'm here. At that point, yes. At that point, I was like, is this guy ever going to tell me that he loves me? Because I like I'm so obsessed with him. What's going on? No, I just love you. And I just, you know, I just love you. And I just want you to know, like, I'm always here if you want to like talk. And then I like stopped and I like tried to get out of the car and I'm like, I'm sorry. Like, I didn't mean like that. And he was like, can you like get back in and like chill out?

Fuck out. So was that in the car that he bought you? No, no, no, no, no. That was just this past Valentine's Day.

Which is so cool. I had a lot of people mad at me after that Valentine's. I was like, dude, you bought her a car? Like, now all my girlfriends are like, he got him a car. He got a car. He did have so many people calling them. I'm like, this isn't like a normal, like every year I expect something as like lavish as a car, but it was definitely, definitely a good Valentine's. It was a Range Rover, right? Yeah. Range Rover. And I thought, I knew he, we went and looked for cars. Nick was like, let's get you a new car. And I was like, oh my God, he's buying me a fucking car. And then he was like, yeah, and you're going to pay the car payment. I was like, whoa. Yeah.

Relax. Like, I'm good with my car I got now. I don't need a new one if I'm paying the car payment. I like to turn the key ignition on. I don't need to push it. I like that. I like to carry some oil with me in the car to fill it up. I like that. Before we go, how's your friend Matt James doing? He's doing good. He's doing good. Is he still in...

no he's back here where did he go i thought he was kenya kenya yeah he's doing okay yeah he's doing good he's never gonna tell his side of the story i have no idea i think that's i've tried to text him he hasn't even responded yeah i think for him like the best thing to do is like let it die and be done with it you know um i think he knows and probably regrets

The scissors were made. Yeah, I think he just, you know, it was, we both saw, like, everyone saw the interviews and stuff, like, they both need to be broken up. 100%. And they need to go their separate ways and they need to figure it out. At the end of the day, what happened, maybe not in the way that it happened, but it was supposed to happen. Yeah, like, I think the breakup post, he regrets it, you know, and...

It was weird and wasn't... It transcended my beliefs and understandings. Otherworldly. I love Matt. I still love Matt to this day. You know what I mean? Once things like that blow up in your face, sometimes it's best to just kind of let it go past. Yeah, but everyone wants to forgive someone. And also, he didn't kill anyone. Yes. I mean, the way people reacted. I mean, I couldn't be more happy for Rachel and her finally having her day because that

she's a star we love her and like she also like we all know how how terrible the beginning of their relationship was and the shit they had to deal with but like yeah i mean he's just it was just a insensitive breakup like that certainly he can learn from and apologize from but like he also didn't kill anyone and people act like holy shit man like yeah well i just think nowadays everyone wants to

to just destroy everyone on the internet. You know, like, there's, like, there's no, like, middle ground. Everyone wants to, like, build people up. They want to find new creators only to, like, dig down old tweets and find something to cancel for. For sure. And so it just, yeah, it just didn't go well. They could have done it another way. I'm sure if he did it another way, it still would have got some sort of backlash. You know what I mean? I think the post, it just didn't, it wasn't good. Well, I don't know about that. I mean, there's definitely...

lots of ways that were not that way for sure for sure but I think no matter what there's always going to be a winner and loser in it yeah and that's how today is like there's no there's nothing that's amicable anymore everything is like winner loser loser dies yeah you know no for sure like we are in the gladiator days where everyone just like kind of yeah you know it's so true it is wild

- Yeah. - Well, we love you guys. Thanks for doing this. - Love you guys. - Love you guys. - Love ya. - Love ya. - Really happy for you. - Love, look at all the love in here. - No, but really, we're really happy for you guys. I'm happy for Tyler and his friend to have such a great woman in his life and wishing you guys nothing but the best and let's go have some dinner. - Heck yeah. - Let's go eat. - Let's go eat river. - Yes!