Session 63: Lisa Rinna
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Hi pussies and welcome back to Therapus. Tonight, well, I guess this comes out Wednesday. So Wednesday I'll be in North Carolina, but tonight I'm in Athens, Georgia. We went out last night. We were in Orlando. I had the biggest show I've ever played.

And Alex came out. It was really fun. Then we went to Palm Tree Club after. We hung out with everyone. It was so fun. I'm a little hungover, if you can't tell. Tonight is my fourth show in a row. So I'm a little exhausted. But I'm really excited for tonight because Heather McMahon is the guest. And I haven't seen her in a really... Actually, the last time I saw her...

i think i was on a date so we have a lot of catching up to do and i'm really really excited to see her and this is her home state so i'm really really really excited that she's coming out for this show tonight on therapist we have lisa renna who i absolutely adore we work together on the walmart campaign and as you guys know i'm the biggest housewife fan ever so having being able to have her on ask her

whatever I wanted to ask her was like the greatest thing ever. And I'm really, really excited for you guys to see the episode. As always, go to passthatpuss.com and click live with Jake Shane to see if I'm coming to a city near you or click tell me what's wrong to tell me what's wrong and leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Enjoy tonight's episode. Love you, pussies. Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapuss. Today's guest needs no introduction, but she did just launch a podcast called Let's Not Talk About the Husband.

The one, the only, Lisa Rinna. Yay! I'm so excited. I'm so excited. Can we get messy today? Yeah, please. Okay. I was...

I was expecting it. I was hoping it. Listen, I get messy every freaking podcast that I do. I know you do. That's why I was like, I want to get there. I want to go there. Well, that happens. How have you been the last time I saw you? Well, the last time I saw you was at Alo, but we did the Walmart ad together. We sure did. And we had a blast. We had so much fun. We really did. We did. We had a blast. And that was a really nice job.

I mean, like a nice job. The trailer was lovely. I was like, if this is the life, sign me up. Walmart, here we come. I loved it. No, I loved it too. Ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-fucking-ching. And the Black Friday deals.

And I was a vampire. Yes, you were. I mean. You look amazing. Your outfit is so chic. You always look chic. Thank you. Well, you've been on the fashion scene lately. I sure have. Woo! Have I had fun? Have you? What's it like going and like- Wait, I have aloe socks on. Did you notice? I know, me too.

What's it like going to all those shows? I mean, were you able to go to all those shows when you were on Housewives, or do you have more time to do that now? No, they would never allow me. They wouldn't let me. What do you mean? Well, the truth is, it didn't happen until I left Housewives. Okay. And that's just the truth. I always look at the kids over here. No, please. They're an active audience. I do. I always look over here. That's the truth. The minute I left the show, that opportunity presented itself. I left the show. The announcement was January 6th.

2022, I think it was. And I got a call from my publicist. It sounds so Hollywood, but it is. You are Hollywood. It is. So my publicist called and he was a new publicist. So I'd gone with him in November and he called and he said, do you think you could go to Paris in four days for the Kenzo show?

I was like, yes. And that's how it began. And it's just been this amazing journey ever since then? It has. And it's been so fun. I just keep saying yes to it. Yes, yes, yes. And they ask. They keep asking. Thank goodness. And I'm just having the time of my life. I really am. And is it rewarding to see Amelia walk in all those shows? It is so. I can't tell you as a mother what it's like to get to sit front row and watch her. I know.

It's mind-blowing. It really is. When I saw her this last time at the Jean Paul Gaultier show, it's funny because she didn't know I was wearing the blonde wig. I wore a blonde wig for this show and I hadn't told her. So in a way, it might have been good. She said she was looking for me, but obviously she didn't know I was in the blonde wig. Right. So maybe that's a better thing. I don't know. Because I don't know. I get nervous when my parents would be in the audience. Do you? Yes. They were there for my Los Angeles show and I was so nervous. It puts a

little spin on it. They always do it with love. Okay, good. They always do it with love. Then I'm okay with that. Do you miss filming at all or no? I actually don't. And let me tell you why. Because I'm still friends with the girls that I connected with. Okay. And so I don't feel like I'm completely, you know, out of it. Even though I am completely out of it, I get to see the girls that I love. Erica, Dorit, Kyle, and Teddy. Uh-huh. So that's the truth. And...

Well, what can I ask? Like, what was it like when Kyle and Dorit were fighting? Like, do you find yourself stuck in the middle of that or like? Yeah, I mean, it's really always awkward because it is a reality show. It is not scripted. We are really living that in a heightened reality. You know, it's heightened and it's always really, really uncomfortable. And it's really funny because I'm a person. It's hard to believe. I know that doesn't like conflict.

I do not like conflict. It's true. Getting to know you in real life, I see that. I hate it. I know. And that's what that show's about. It's all about conflict. So you have to figure it out. And when I first started the show, I had, you know, I'm an actor, so I hadn't done anything quite like that. And so, I mean, I'd done some reality, but not that. Yeah.

Yeah. And so I had a producer, Chris Collins, say this to me. And this is what really, I think, made me the housewife that I was. You can blame it on him. He said to me, came over for a meeting at the house. You know, they come and they like, look at your house and they ask you about your life. And he said, this is what you need to do. You need to think out loud. Oh, wow. Think about that for a second. That's actually brilliant housewife advice. Think out.

loud. And at first I was like, okay, but if you really think about that and if you think out loud, that can be devastating to people. Yeah.

Because if you're saying what you're really thinking, and that's what they want on that show. And if you do, I mean, you're a good housewife, but you also get killed. You know what I mean? Because it's hard to do that and be still friends with people. Right. Did you ever find... Because what I always wonder about is... I'm like, I feel like I could be such a good reality star, but I would be so anxious about what I would say in the confessionals. Do you guys have this kind of code of like...

It's in the confessional, like we can't really hold that against each other. A tiny bit, like a teeny weeny bit. I remember Kyle would say, listen, I'm sorry I said something in the confessional. I'm just going to give you a heads up. Right. And that helps a little bit. But I think what happens is when you don't know that and you see the episode and then you're kind of like, oh.

Right. And that's the brilliance of the show and that's what they want. Right. That is what they want. They want you to be able to see it and go, oh, I hate that fucking bitch. Yeah. You know? Right. I can't believe she just said that about me. And that happens every single time. Right. Oh my God. Do you remember like, well, answer it. I remember. Yeah.

Amsterdam was your first season, right? It was. Can you believe that? No. Yeah. The end of my first season. So you go on a trip. Right. The ends of the season. That was the trip. Right. And were you not, you weren't expecting that at all? No, no, no. Not in a million years. No one was. And was it like, were the producers behind the camera like? Probably. Probably. I'm sure they were. The truth is that we, we'd had some, like, there was some stuff on the plane that,

where, you know, it wasn't great between myself and Kim. Like, there was weird cold energy. You know when people vibe you? Yes. So she was vibing me. Wait, that plane ride was, I haven't seen the episode in like a few years, but that plane ride was filmed, if I remember correctly. I don't remember if it was.

It was. That's one part I don't remember. I remember coming off the plane and all of that. And she vibed me the whole time. Yeah. And it started to really get me. Like it was getting under my skin, right? You're on a trip. You're away from home for the first time with these girls. Right. Jet lag like crazy. That night we go to dinner. That night. We sat down and five minutes later that happened. Five minutes in? Maybe ten. Maybe ten minutes in. We hadn't even ordered dinner.

I swear to God. Like, she went right in. Oh, my God. And that's what happened. And you see the reaction. I mean, it's really, now that I'm able to look back on it and look above it, it's one of the greatest scenes of all time. The way it rolls out. I mean, like Kyle's just running out of the room. Beast. Yeah. How dare you. Yeah. How dare you.

Oh, do you still talk to Eileen? I love Eileen. She was everything. She was short-lived on that show. Three years. Yeah, that's short for a housewife. It is in a sense, but you know what? She was one of the greatest housewives. She was so smart. She was so smart. God, I loved her. You know, we came in together. Yes, yeah. Those were the good old golden days.

golden years, I think, if I may say. I know. Because we didn't know what we were doing. Right. You know, Eileen and I, funny enough, had never watched Beverly Hills. Do you watch any of the housewives before? I watched New York. I watched Atlanta. But I'd never seen Beverly Hills. Like, clips of it, but never seen it. Which is brilliant for them because you don't know what's going to happen. Right. They get you, like, these fresh, green little beings and they just go at you. Right. And that's what they do. That, I mean...

Those were the golden years of Beverly Hills. They were the golden years. I feel like those were the golden years for most housewives shows. I think New York was in its prime at that point with, I think Bethany, I think Tinsley was on during that time if I remember correctly. Even before. Yeah. Yeah, even before. I mean, you know, the thing is I think now that they've been on for so long, I think 18 years, 19 for Orange County. Yeah.

People now know when they go on the show, they know what they're getting into. They know how they want to be perceived. It's not as unknown. And I think that just colors the shows now. Do you feel like, though, you guys set the precedent for that? Because I always say housewives...

How I view it now is kind of like a game, right? So like they all come in with their information on the other housewives to bring it in front of the camera. Oh, interesting. I never thought of it like that. It's like when Lisa Vanderpump put the tabloid in Brandy's suitcase. You know what I mean? Yes, I know what you mean. And it's like that's the game. Yes, I do. And she's like, and I feel like you guys kind of created that. But do you think maybe producers had anything to do with that? I think Lisa was a producer in her own right. Yeah.

You just sit not me. I mean, am I wrong? And that's why, I mean, when goodbye, Kyle, it was like. Oh my God, that was a great moment. It was all great. It was all great. Have you spoken or seen Lisa Vanderpump since then? We end up at the same sushi restaurant up at the Glen quite a bit.

And no, no, no words have been spoken. But is it like cold energy? Oh, you just pretend like that person. We just pretend like we're not there. Like I, she doesn't see me. I don't see her. Like it's hilarious because we both know we're there. Right. Right. Like I know she's there. She knows I'm there. It's hilarious. I'm just confused why she, it was like the minute she got any information,

Push back from anyone. Cause she like really played Monopoly with that show for the longest time. And the second she got pushed back, she left and there was no speaking after that. Right. And it was just a clean cut. I believe she left right in the middle of the season. Yes. And what were you, when you were watching that all go down, was Kyle like as affected in the, as it seemed. Yes. That was heartbreaking. It was. Yeah. I mean, they were,

Right. They were close, whatever that is on, you know. So, yeah, I mean, what you see is really what you get. My God. What a show. Yeah.

Do you have any like. Yes, Jake. Do you have any like happy memories from the show? Oh, a ton. Like I, like this is the most fun I've ever had. We, okay. I have had some of the greatest laughs. Perfect example is when we went to Provence and we go and have this wine tasting. I remember this. It is one of the funniest to me.

One of the funniest times, we are all staying in this chateau. Right. And everybody is drunk, and they're all coming into my room, and that scene was so funny. We had some amazingly funny moments. We really did. It's not all torture. Right. No, we laughed so much. I mean, I bonded. You know, that trip was...

More people were supposed to come, but the Malibu fires happened. Right. So a couple girls couldn't come, so they're only the five of us. And that's when we really bonded because, you know, everyone's like, you guys have to make a show, and yet you're all getting along. Right. So ready, set, go. Right. And...

That's why we bonded, I think. What happens when everyone's getting along? How do they... This show's boring. The producers call you and they go, guys. It's true. Really, what do they do? Are they like, come on, bring it up. Talk about some shit. They have a very masterful way. They're...

How would I describe them? They are, they're genius. They're genius. At what they do. Yeah. Absolutely genius. So let's say you want to make something happen. It's very easy. Think about it. If you put a group of women together. Mm-hmm.

All you'd have to do is maybe say one little thing to somebody that maybe somebody said something about them. Like, it's so easy. You know, it's like you're all in a room together and after a while, somebody's going to blow. I mean, evidently in the show. But do you remember, aside from Amsterdam, the most worked up you've ever been on that show where you're like, oh, like I'm mad that I just got that worked up?

Well, that's the pinnacle, clearly, because I think you've seen that. Who hasn't? It happened a lot. Yeah. You know? It really did, but that was the pinnacle. I've never been more worked up than that. Yeah. I just, I don't, you tell me, I forget. I can't remember how many times I was worked up, but I think...

You know, my buttons were easily pushed. That's why I think I was a good housewife in many ways. And I would react. And that makes a good housewife.

And is it annoying for you guys when a housewife would come on and not want to talk about certain things going on? Like, is that for us? Like, that's kind of what happened with Denise. No, she didn't want to talk about what was good. Well, it's very, listen, we all know the job that we need to do. Right. But I think what happens is people then go, oh my God, I got to protect my family. I got to protect.

my husband and you know some people shouldn't do certain things like you know the housewives that come on a show that know that they have some kind of legal issue in their life I will never understand that I mean I just don't get it like do you not think

that this will come out. Right. And I don't think they do. Ever. I don't think they think about it. I think they get the idea of I want to be on the show. It's so great. I don't understand how if you've done something, maybe they don't think they did anything wrong. Right. I don't know. Right.

But that is concerning to me. But then it's different, right, when the legal issues play out on the show, right? Then you would say that's different. Well, I would say that's different when they all of a sudden play out and you don't know that's going to happen. Right. But if you know that you've done something illegal and it's going to come up and you still do this show, that's where it is mind-boggling to me. Is there a thing that you can think of where you're like, how did this happen? Well, Salt Lake City. Right. With Jen Shaw. How about that? Yeah.

Yeah. Do you watch Salt Lake? I know.

I loved Salt Lake. I love Salt Lake. I love Salt Lake. I really think it's such, I mean, those girls are great. They're good. They're good at their job. It's a great franchise. I take my hat off to them. I love Salt Lake. I love those girls. They're good. Do you have a favorite cast member on Salt Lake? I can't pick one. I like them all very much. Mine's Lisa Barlow. I love Lisa Barlow. I love Lisa Barlow. I love Meredith, too. Yeah, Meredith is great. I do. I love them all. Listen, they do a really great job.

Can I say I wish Monica came back? That's the year I didn't watch it, but I hear she was, I'll go back and watch it. She was brilliant. I hear she was everything and more. I bet you they bring her back. Would you rank who on the current Beverly Hills Housewives who you'd want to film with the most to the least? Oh, I think it's pretty obvious. I mean, Erica. Erica. Yeah. Erica, Dorit, and Kyle. Uh-huh.

I would like to film with that boss. I like her from what I've... I haven't watched a show since I left. You haven't? Not one second, except for clips. Okay. So I can't really speak on what the show's about other than I have heard the girls love her. Yeah, she's great. They love her. She's great. So I would want to work with her, and then the rest I wouldn't need to work with. Yeah.

So you don't know what's going on in Beverly Hills right now? You're not... I know a little bit because I hear it's just all about, you know, Dorit and PK and Kyle and Dorit fighting. Yeah, well, because Kyle... I don't know anything else. Kyle was texting PK. I heard that. Which blew up on the show. PK and Kyle have always had a very...

funny sense of humor type of relationship. Now I understand if you're, if you're, if they're breaking up, if Dorit and PK are breaking up, it's maybe not the most opportune time to be texting. So I understand that, but they've always done that. Right. From the day one that PK came around, I feel like. Yeah. I thought that it was Kyle, Mauricio, PK and Dorit were all very close. They were. Right. And then obviously everything blew up. And you know, I will say Dorit and Kyle were really close. So no matter what the

Dialogue is about that. Okay, because it's interesting you say that. They were very close. Because on the show, it seems that Dorit feels as though they were very close. They were. And Kyle feels as though it was a co-worker close. No. Yeah. I can say from my own, they were closer than anybody. Oh, really? They were closer than me and Erica. You and Erica are like this, though. Yeah.

Wow. For sure. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's my opinion and my take on it. Yeah. Well. And that's that. Well, cheers. If you could fix one franchise, how would you fix it? And which franchise would it be?

Again, I'm not watching them much. Once you leave shows like this, you just can't watch it. It's too much. So I would say through the grapevine, I hear that they want to fix New York. Yes, they do. They fixed it. But then tell me why it didn't work the second year. Because I thought the first year, everyone was so excited about all of them. Okay, so I don't watch New York. Do any of you watch New York? I stopped this.

Oh, shit. Okay, why? Because evidently when they changed it, everyone was so excited. There was a situation, if I remember correctly, I didn't watch, but I watch Watch What Happens Live, so I remember them talking about it. And there was a situation where they played a prank. Do you remember this? They played some... No, no, no. There was a pregnancy prank of sorts. And they like made up...

up a storyline and like the two were in it together and like it just it felt a trick and they admitted it to the viewers and the viewers felt tricked. Well you know it has to be authentic. Yeah. The viewers are very very savvy now. They're very smart. Yeah. And if they smell authenticity no.

If they smell being inauthentic, no bueno. Right. They know. They know. Right. So now I understand why it wouldn't work. Because also I think what happens is people start to protect their brands. They're like, shit, if I...

If I get too messy, it's going to make my brand suffer. Yeah. And that's a catch-22 of this show right there. Right. Like you want messy. Yeah. And you want people like that. But then again, you get on for long enough, you're like, I don't want that in my life. I don't want it to ruin my marriage. But oops, I guess that already happened, right? Right. Like...

look at how it plays out and I understand what would make you go, hold on, wait a second. I don't want to bloat my life like that. So I see the conundrum that's happening. I think also though, every housewife has a brand now. And like, that's the thing. Exactly. Every housewife has a brand. Exactly. And they want to protect it at all costs. Well, of course. And you can understand that. You're a branding, you know, genius. You really are. You heard it here first. I can't. I mean, you are a slur.

I love you. It's true. And I think that you would be the same. You're like, wait a minute. What if I lose X amount of dollars because I'm being messy over here? It's a conundrum. It is a conundrum. I love that word, conundrum. I feel like you always held people accountable on that show, though. And I think that's why people loved you so much. I did. You know, I talked to Harry about it a lot. He was like my therapist throughout the whole thing, I swear to God. And, you know, I have a thing about injustice. Mm-hmm.

Growing up, there's something about injustice that I just like that burns me. It really gets me. And so I think maybe one of the reasons why I held people accountable is if I didn't, it would feel unjust. Like it feels like people are getting away with something and that's not okay. That's where I come from, I think, and why I would do it. Right. I think that was always very prevalent in who you are and who you were on the show. It's who I am even off the show, I will say. Yes.

You are, and you've always been vocal about that. And I, do you think that's why the Kathy situation pissed you off so much? Yeah. I think that why it really, it freaked me out first and foremost. You could tell you were rattled. I was rattled. It freaked me out. And I just didn't feel that it was something that she should get away with, that she's gotten away with her whole life. Right. And you just. I was like, no, I'm not going to.

Make this go away. It happened. Right. We are supposed to tell the stories of what happens. Now, there were not cameras there. That's clear. Yeah. But we were still on a trip. Yeah. It still happened. You're still at work. And we're working. Yes, we are. And I got her out of that club to help her. Right.

And so it blew up in a way. And if I were to do it over, I just stayed in the fucking club and danced. Right. And let her do her thing on her own. Right. I, my intention was to help her and protect her. Right. Because she was in public. And was she yelling at you?

In the house, not in the club. In the club, she was doing other things to other people. And I think we all agreed. Now, listen, everyone's been very careful about this, but I think we all agreed that she needed to go. Yeah. And I was willing because I was ready to go. Yeah. I was willing to take her back. And so I did. Right.

And did that like affect, I mean, on the show, you and Kyle had issues with it, but is Kyle like ultimately grateful for how you handled it? You know, I think Kyle's in just a very tricky situation. Yeah. To be honest with you. I think that,

in a way she was really happy that I spoke up because she's experienced her whole life. Right. But it's a really tricky situation. So yeah, that was very, very unfortunate. But you know, the way I look at it, everything happens for a reason and it must've happened because again, I could have stayed in the club and just been like, I mean, Kyle was like, I'm not taking her home. Yeah. I mean,

I mean, that's the truth. Yeah. And Crystal was supposed to come with us. This is really interesting. But she couldn't get her coat in time. You had to check your coats. Right. And she was going to come and she ended up staying because it was taking too long to get her coat. Right. So everything happened for a reason. And I, again, just had to own it. And it happened. And there you go. It was great TV. Well...

You know, the good news is that I have been able to talk to Kathy and we've been able to move forward from it. And that's the best part. So you guys are on great terms. Well, I would say we are on good terms because we addressed it. You know, do you think that I reached out to her just so you know, and she's told the story. I reached out to her because I was like, life is too short. I want to move on. I don't want to carry baggage. I never want to carry it. And I don't think anybody wants to.

Do you think that, like, the show...

I mean, because you see people move past things in like a really beautiful way sometimes. Which is a great part of the show, I think. Do you think it taught you anything about having to deal with conflict and how to handle conflict? I mean, again, I never liked conflict. So yes, I do think I learned a lot in those eight years. I mean, eight years is a long time. It's a long time. To do anything. Yeah. So yes, I learned good habits and I learned bad habits for sure. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Well... You have really had me go there. I went there with you. I did. These are the best questions I've ever asked anyone. Good job. Thank you. Are you really? I mean, that's well... I'm impressed. Because, you know, I don't usually like to talk about housewives. And I get myself in trouble every time I do. But this feels...

It feels right. I feel like I'm just being very honest and we're having an honest conversation and I'm okay with it right now. Okay. Until I'm not. Until people fucking drag me.

You know, whatever. I don't care anymore. Actually, I think your honesty is super refreshing. And I think as someone, you were on the show for eight years, there was so much you could say and couldn't say or had to say or didn't say. And now with your new podcast, you can kind of say it all. Truly. And in our first episode, which aired today,

Congratulations. Thank you. We just did an interview for E! and the guy had listened to it and he said, you know, I found it fascinating because you talked about Housewives, that I talked about Housewives and he said, I'd never heard it from you like that. Right. So that I think is going to be the beauty of Harry and I being able to open up and be honest in a sense. I mean, you only really saw like maybe 30% of me on Housewives. Right. Maybe 20. No, I mean, getting to know you outside of it

It's a completely, it's different. It is. And I think that I, I was really missing being able to express myself freely without an edit. Right. You know, cause at the end of the day, you're still on a television show that they edit. Right. And there's eight other people or however many, and it's,

You don't have a lot of time to express yourself in who you really are. So that's what I'm really learning, and I'm loving it. I'm really liking being able to speak for myself. I mean, it's going to blow up in my face, I'm sure. I mean, but it wouldn't be you if it didn't. That's right. That's right. It wouldn't be you if it didn't. It's so true. So in a way, it's kind of scary. It is scary because I think Harry and I have been able to keep it kind of at bay for 32 years. I mean, you know us, but...

You don't really know. No, you don't. What we do and what it's like. You don't really. Right. And we've been able to keep a nice arm's length. We can't do that anymore. No. We're talking on a podcast. So that's going to be interesting. I mean, but I found what you said about the edit super interesting. Is there ever a time where you were watching something, and not to go back to Housewives, but when you were watching something and you were like, that's not what I said. There was, we called it Franken-editing. Uh-huh. Where I was in the car.

And they had me say something because they weren't on my mouth and I didn't say it in that moment. They took it from somewhere else. Really? That happened one time. And you were like, hmm. I was like, wait a second. Where'd that come from? Right. Because I did not say that in that moment. And did you call someone and be like, by the way, this wasn't in this. I mentioned it at some point, but by that time, it doesn't matter. It's airing. Right. So you're fucking out of luck. You know what I mean? Were you anticipating like, because I feel like people.

People who don't know Bravo and don't know the culture behind Bravo understand just how humongous it is. Were you anticipating like when you signed up, like you didn't understand that feedback you were going to get. I knew that it was good real estate. Yeah. I knew Bravo was very good real estate and I went in wanting that and knowing that. Mm-hmm.

Eyes wide open. But were you, did you ever find it hard to deal with like feedback from people? Yes. Oh, it got, it got very difficult toward the end because of social media and because of, in the beginning we wrote blogs. Right. We wrote a blog. You'd have to watch the show and you'd write a blog about it. Right. That's a, that's a long time ago. Then it became social media.

And everybody got really comfortable behind their computers saying anything. Right. And by the end, it was, well, I said this the other day somewhere and I, and I forget where I was cause I've talked way too much lately. Um,

I said, you know, truly the fans were the ones that ran me off that show. It wasn't Bravo. It wasn't the girls. It was the fan base got, they villainized me in a way that I just didn't want to live like that anymore. And that is the truth. So whether you want me back or not, you know, I get a lot of that. The fan base has to know that it's because of them that I left the show. Right. And that's something that,

I don't think they want to take responsibility for, you know, that's the truth. I left because the fan base turned on me and listen, the fan base turns on everybody.

after a while. But this was a way that I was like, life's too short. I'm not going to do this anymore. It was too much. And was Harry and your daughters like super supportive of it all? Oh yeah. They were like, it's time. Oh yeah. I mean, you know, I lost my mom and then to go through that after losing my mom was just too much for a human to handle. For me it was, it was too much. No, everybody was very supportive. It was time. The timing was,

I needed to go. It was too painful for me. Well, I'm proud of you. Thank you. And I love you. I love you.

I love you. I do. I adore you. I think you're so special. I really do. You know I do. I don't know. Maybe we had a past life together or something. I think we did. Because we had this connection that was just like, boop. I know. We really, really got, we really, I was so excited to meet you. I mean, I know your daughters and I was just. I know. I know you from my daughters. Yeah. I don't know. We had, we have a connection of some kind that is just really special. I love it. It is special and I'm excited for people to see it.

Oh, me too. And hopefully. I think. I mean, I always get so nervous at these things. But at this point, fuck it. Fuck it. You have a podcast. I do. I do. And I'm just going to talk about everything. And you know what? You're just people are going to have to get used to it. They will. And isn't it beautiful that you are now in control of your own narrative, as you were saying before? Like you're regardless of what people say, you're on that mic. Yes. You have total control. Yes. And I do like that. Yeah, I do. It's fun. It's fun.

Have you had fun? Yeah, I've had fun. I get bad anxiety, so that's why I tip my hat off to you. I really tip my hat off to you and all the housewives. And I think that's why it's so good for me to watch housewives. And I'm not – I know people like straight men will probably laugh at me for saying this, but housewives is really therapeutic. Is it? You're watching – I'm serious, you guys. You're watching these women, you and everyone –

Let it rip, really, and say whatever and have the worst thing said about them and continue and you still show up. I never thought of it like that. And you still show up. Yeah, you do. You have to. Yeah, it's your job. It's a job. You have to show up. That's why when somebody doesn't show up, it's unprofessional. Right. It's just unprofessional because we're all showing up. Everyone's lives are falling apart. I mean, I'll never forget when Erica's life was literally falling apart in front of her eyes. Right.

She showed up every day. Every day. Every single day. Every day. And oh my God. I, you know, I mean, that's the, I remember watching that season and I remember thinking, holy shit. Yeah. Like I can't even imagine doing this on camera. And she was there every episode, every trip, every dinner. Time. Just so honest. Yeah.

My hat is off to her. I just saw her in Chicago on Broadway. And how is she? She's amazing. She's the best thing. Yeah. She's just the best thing in the whole show. Like she really fucking nails it. I was like a proud mother watching her. And it's the second time I've seen her. But the way she has overcome and really risen from the ashes is pretty remarkable. It is really remarkable. And I think it's super admirable that she just dealt with it all on the show.

Like, truly amazing. Very strong. Do you feel like some cast members were unfair to her during that time? Yes. Most of them. Right. I think I was the only one that wasn't. Well, you were the only one that stood by her through thick and thin. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, they all were unfair to her. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely unfair. But look at her now. Right? She's on Broadway. Look at her now. Yeah. Yeah.

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You know, people had come to me to do a podcast since I was on Housewives. Right. Or had asked if I wanted to do one. And I never wanted to do one at the time because I felt everyone was doing a podcast, you know, that was on a Housewives show. And I just didn't feel that that would have been something I should do. So I didn't ever want to do one, to be honest. And then they came to me, my agents came to me and said, do you want to do one right during COVID? I was like, no, I don't want to do anything during COVID. But everyone's trying to make money.

No, no, no. So I said no a couple times. And then I don't know what clicked in me. And I said, what if I did one with Harry? What about that? Yeah. To me, that felt interesting. Like, that could be fun. And it just took off from there. That's literally it. Are you guys having fun? Yeah. We are so far. I think we've done seven. Yeah. We have seven in the can. Oh, wow. So you're putting in the work. In the work. Yeah. We have seven in the can. What is different...

to you about speaking about stuff on a podcast for speaking about stuff on a TV show? Oh, it's totally different. I think I was born to have a mic in front of me. You absolutely were born with a mic in your hand. I think so because I love that mic and ours is the kind of mic that you pull towards you. Oh, I love it. Oh my God. I just, I don't know what it is, but I think I had another, like a radio microphone

personality or a life as a radio host or something because it feels very natural. I don't know. I think you were born mic'd up. I think I was born mic'd up. I think you were. I think I was too. But I like this kind of mic rather than, you know, the lobs that they put on you. There's something about having this. That's it.

I am a control freak. Yes, I am. That's what it is. Yeah, well, that's why you're successful. Oh, my God. Yeah, but it's painful. I know. Was there ever a moment where you were like, oh, just because this is my worst nightmare, like having your sane shit, and then you're like, I'm mic'd up. Oh, yeah. Trust me. Oh. Really? Oh, I did it one time.

On Days of Our Lives. Let's take it back. Yes. Let's take it back. Days of Our Lives. And this, I'm still very young. We're shooting outside, which we don't normally do. Very once in a while, you shoot outside on this little location set. I have a lav on. You don't normally have a lav on soaps. There's a mic right above you. Oh, you're not mic'd up on soap. You're not mic'd up. So I wasn't used to it at this point.

And I remember, I don't know what I said because it was too long ago, but I remember the producers either in my ear or coming down, somebody said to me, you have a mic on and you just said such and such about somebody. And you have to know that you have a mic on. And I was like, what?

I'll never forget it. From that day on, I don't think I ever, ever, I probably did somewhere along the line, but I was very hypersensitive because I was only like 20, I think I was 28 at the time. Right. So that set a hook in me to be so fucking careful. Like I've never had a Lisa Barlow moment on that mic. Oh my God. That was diabolical. No, man. That was diabolical.

So thank you to Days of Our Lives for burning me at the time that it happened so that I was never, I always know when I'm, I miked, I miked, or if I talk, I'll be like this. Oh, really? That's the secret? Like you really want to just not say anything, but if you had to.

fuck it up so that they can't hear you. So like you and Eileen kind of came in and you both like knew what was good with like filming and stuff. Well, maybe subconsciously.

Because we're actors. But yeah, like I'll never forget. Eileen wanted to get the show on the road. So like if nothing was happening, because these girls sometimes can sit for three hours and just talk and nothing. And we're talking about like yoga and smoothies. And Eileen and I would look at each other like, are you fucking kidding me? And she would be like, okay, what needs to be done? Okay, boom. So you just did, you said this and this about somebody.

That's what I loved about Eileen. She made it move quickly. She moved it along. Right. And you know, the seasoned girls after a while, they know how to do that. Right. Eileen knew it right out of the gate. Right. She wanted to go home. She was great. She was like, I don't want to stay here for three hours. I want to go see Vince Van Patten. Right. You know, I'd rather hang out with him. Yes. So I do miss her for that. Right. But then I, of course, started to do that because I was like,

Are you kidding me? Get me the fuck out of here. I want to go home. I want to go home to my kids. Yeah. You know what I've been desperate to try? Harry's pasta sauce. You have to. I should have sent. I know. I should have asked you to bring me it. I really want to try it. This new one came out, the vodka sauce. He's now got two. I'll send them over. Okay. I will send you over both sauces right away. If I get sent Harry's pasta sauce, like I am making that my entire personality. You're getting it. You're getting it. I'm going to send a box.

You're going to get both. I'll give you three of the marinara or the bolognese and three of the vodka. I mean, he's a chef. He's a good chef. He is. Thank God. Otherwise, I'd starve to death. Or I'd be just post-mating forever or air one. I know. That's all I eat is air one. I know. And post-mates. Little post-mates. Mostly air one. But I mean, I would literally starve if it weren't for Harry. What is his favorite dish to make? The new favorite is sausage penne with kale. Oh, my God.

It is so good. And now we add the vodka sauce on top of it. I'm having that for dinner tonight. He's making that for Valentine's Day. Oh, will you send me a photo? I will. Because my, if you know me, sausage pasta is my favorite pasta. No. Swear to God. You can ask anybody. So you like the Justin Bieber at Il Paseo. Yes. And I love like an orchidi with sausage and spinach and like an orchid.

In olive oil sometimes? Oh, me too. That's why you would love this. It's so good. Oh, my God. Yeah, because it puts olive oil and garlic. Yes. But now I add the vodka sauce on top. It's to fucking die for. I need it. We'll get him maybe to come over and make it. Please, please. I'll send you some. I will make sure that you get some of this. I will figure it out. I really, really am excited. It's really good. Okay, so riddle me this. Okay. What?

Where did Lisa Rinna... You're so good at this, first of all. Really? You're really good at this. You think so? Yes. I wouldn't say it. You're so good at this. I'm very on right now with you. Okay, go. Okay, good. I'm not usually this good. Woo!

All right. Sorry to interrupt you. I just feel comfortable with you. I'm so glad. I feel very comfortable with you. Good. I feel very comfortable asking you questions. Good. And I'm not scared. Okay, good. Good. You should not be scared. But I was scared. But you were? And then once I was like, can we get messy? And you were like, fuck yeah. I was like, let's go for it. Okay, so go back to Riddle Me This. Where did Lisa Rinna start? When did you start acting? When did you know you wanted to act? When did you get into your career? Well, my mom said I came out that way. Right. Basically. Yes. You know, I was an

I grew up an only child. I have a half sister, but she was 12 years older and we didn't grow up together. So I came out that way. I wanted all the attention. My mom said I was like Sarah Bernhardt, which is a very old 1920s actress. The old, not your audience is not going to know who that is. Google it, guys. We'll put it here. Sarah Bernhardt.

Um, so I think I was destined to do it. I came out that way and I lived in Medford, Oregon. I don't know how I got out, but I got out and I somehow made my way to Los Angeles and, um,

I had no help. My family's not in the business. And I just fucking did it because I was just driven. Right. Do you remember, like, the first time you got something and you were like, this is my break. This is it. Well, I think it was Days of Our Lives. Yeah. It really was. To play the character of Billy, they'd been auditioning people for a long time. And they said that they saw 211 people auditioning.

And when I first went in, I had long hair. And when I got a call back, I cut my hair off. And you're not supposed to do that. You know, if you go in, you're supposed to then go in the same way after. And I was just at a point in my life where I was like, fuck it. And I cut all my hair off. And I really think that that gave me the confidence and the drive to get that role. That was the turning point, getting Billy Reid.

Wow. For sure. How long were you on that show for? Three years. Three years. And then you did Melrose Place. After like a movie of the week and then I did Melrose Place. What's movie of the week? I've heard of this. Back in the day they used to do these movies of the week. And they're like a TV movie. Right, right, right, right. And I did a movie with Rob Estes before I did Melrose with him. Uh-huh. Yeah. Did you like doing Melrose? I loved it. Yeah. Highlight. Yeah. To work with Heather Locklear and that whole group of actors. Yeah.

It was so much fun. It was the time of my life. It really was. I loved Melrose Place. I really do. You work so hard. You have to. You work so hard. You have to. You know that because I know you work hard. Thank you. I mean, I've been in this business now for 35 years. Wow. I don't think I've ever not worked hard. I think that that's what this business entails. You know, how do you have longevity? You have to keep going.

and reinventing yourself. And I think finding the joy, you know, finding the joy in being curious, I think has really been two things that have propelled me. Do you have a moment over those past 35 years where you're like, this is like one of the best moments of my life? Like you just like remember. I can tell you exactly. When I...

Was able 18 years ago to do Chicago. I played Roxy. Right. And Harry played Billy Flynn. And we did Chicago on Broadway together. And to stand on that stage was by far, with my husband, the highlight of my career to this day. Oh, my God. Truly. That sounds incredible. It was incredible. Would you do it again? Yeah. Yeah.

I would, of course. Okay, now I have to ask you because you're here. Yes. What, and we just talked about happy stuff, what are you therapist about? I don't get pissed that much anymore. I think I did all that on Housewives. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Injustice makes me angry. Right. Unkind people make me angry. What are you pissed about? What are you therapist about? See, I'm very pissed about very small things. Like? I have to get my eyebrows waxed.

Pisses you off? And I really don't want to go get my eyebrows waxed. That's more of a, that's not. It's inconvenience. Okay, so but you're not pissed about it. You're just kind of like. You'd be surprised. Really? You would be surprised. Can't you have somebody come here and do it? No, I like to walk. Okay, all right. I like to walk. I like to take myself there. All right. And what else am I pissed about? Louise, am I pissed about anything as of late that you remember? This is funny to me. Yeah. When you get older, you won't give a shit. No, I know. I know.

You'll be like, whatever. Right. Fuck it. Right. I mean, I get agitated. Me too. I get really agitated. That word resonates better than pissed. Okay, what are you theragitated about? Like stupid people. Yeah. People that are stupid. People that don't pick up the ball. People that are not as quick as I am. I mean, it just agitates the shit out of me. I get very agitated with how I deliver my feelings.

So like if I'm very angry about something and rightfully so, I'll deliver it in a way that no one will hear me because the delivery is so poor. What? Yes. So that is what I'm really angry with myself. What would you call that? Like lack of self-control. Like what would you call that? There's got to be a name for that. But I need to look in the DSM-5 to see what that is. It's like demeanor. I don't know. It's just like I'll deliver. I'll have such a good point and it'll just get lost in like how I deliver the news.

So you're not stepping into yourself. You're afraid. I think I'm afraid that I won't be heard if I'm not yelling. Yes. Yeah. Yes.

Oh, interesting. I think maybe it's just like, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. Well, it's something to work on because at least you know it. Yeah. That's half of it. You know it. Right. So you just can change that quickly. If you're unaware of it, you're aware of it. I'm very self-aware. That's so interesting. I'm very self-aware, which makes it difficult sometimes. Is that something you did in your childhood? Yeah. I think like my parents and I, we just communicated. It was just like, not like an Italian family, but we're very Jewish and like, no.

Like yelling and stuff. But nobody's listening. No one's listening. We're all just like yelling. It's out of love, but that's just what I know. Yeah, of course. It's kind of like – do you watch The Bear? Yes. Do you remember the episode of The Bear where they're with –

Where they're all cooking dinner. In the kitchen. In the kitchen. Most brilliant scene. Yeah. Like one of the most brilliant. The Christmas dinner. Yes. It's one of the most brilliant scenes. And they're all screaming, screaming, screaming, screaming, screaming. Like, you know, and it's like all out of love, but no one's listening to each other. It was brilliant. Yeah. I get it. What else are you watching right now? Oh my God. Now I'm on the spot. What am I watching? Severance. Severance. Love Severance. Love Severance. Are you caught up? Not quite. What episode did you just watch? No.

I forget because I've traveled so much. Harry just got caught up on the first season. He wasn't caught up. So now I'm into the second, but I don't know where I am. Probably only the first. So don't say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I will say...

Severance, I always remember I need to stick with it for a moment. I had to stick with the first like eight episodes. Yes. I kept being like, I'm not sure, I'm not sure. You know what else I love? Slow horses. And that's another one you have to really stick with. I couldn't. I tried and then I got lost. It's so good. But I've heard the latest seasons like otherworldly. If you can really hang in there, it's one of the greatest things. But I almost couldn't.

Really? I love it, but it took six or seven episodes. Okay. And I just kept going back. I just kept going back. Then it clicks, and it's fucking brilliant. Okay. It's fucking brilliant. I know people really love it. Alice's family loves it more than anything. That's like their favorite show. Oh my God, but you really, really, really have to, because it's smart. It's smart, yeah. And it goes right over my head. Yeah. And I have to like go over it 5,000 times to go, oh, that's what's happening. Right. The acting is so brilliant. They're so smart. Do you, are you watching-

There's this new show on Hulu called Paradise. No, I don't know about it. Apparently, it's very good. You know what I just started last night? Apple cider vinegar. I've heard it's amazing. I've heard it's amazing. Oh, my God. What is it? Can you explain to me what it is? This girl lies about having cancer, right? Okay, I've only seen the first episode and like a teeny weeny bit of the second, and then I turned it off because it's so good, and I was like, I'm going to save it. Right. Supposedly, it's based on a true story. Right. And it's about someone who...

allegedly fakes her cancer diagnosis and then becomes really good friends with somebody who actually does have cancer. Ooh. Okay. And it is bone chilling. It's like, Oh my God. So I highly recommend it. It's very well done. It has a beautiful way it's shot. It has a sense of humor about it. I know that's hard to say when you're dealing with something. I know what you mean. I mean, it's a very deep subject and a very tough subject, but there's something about this show that,

Pulled me in instantly. What a great little actress. I mean, unbelievable. Have you seen her in Dope Sick? Yeah. Oh my God. I didn't even know this was her. It took me a minute because she's got an Australian accent. In real life or in the show? In the show. Oh, no way. Do you know how hard it is to do an Australian accent? I can't even imagine. It's almost impossible. That's why I kept saying, is that her? No, it's not.

Is that her? That's a brilliant actor right there. Yes, she is. She's generational talent. Totally thrown by her. Right. She's so good on every level. I mean, I've always thought she was good, but this? Yeah, I know. I'm excited to watch it. Have you seen any of the Oscar noms this year? I've seen everything. You like Nora? My favorite film. That was my favorite. I think it should win best film. Me too!

Me too. Me too. I am such a film buff. And you know, Harry's a member of the Academy, so he gets all the films. Right. So I watch everything. That should be best picture. Just my opinion. Just the way... Oh. Knowing... He just... Sean Baker, the way he portrays every class and every... Unreal. And he humanizes everyone and it's just...

Mikey Madison was just like, that was a performance for the ages. Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. It was like career turning. It's brilliant. It's just. I mean, I can't say enough about it. It blew me away. And there's some really good films. Right. You know, Amelia Perez loved it. I still haven't seen it. Loved it. Okay. I loved it. You loved it. Loved it. It's so different. Okay. I think it's fabulous. I think it's sad what's happening. There's a lot of.

really horrible stuff that's around it. And I'm sad about that because it's a really great, great film. Right. Great film. I still haven't seen Conclave and I really want to see Conclave. Conclave's good. Yeah. They're all really good. I mean, I have my favorites. I think that Timothee Chalamet, I just think he's delicious and what a great actor. I do. I think he's the cutest thing ever. And if I saw him in person, he would probably want to run because I would probably come at him because he's just so cute. You want to squeeze him. I know. He's so good.

I mean, that's a hard to play Bob Dylan. Right? But he's such a good actor. He killed that. He's such a good actor. Yeah. The Brutalist. I still haven't seen that. Oh, Jake, we got to get you going here. I know. It's so good. What is The Brutalist about again? It is about the Brutalist architectural, I can't even speak. The Brutalist, what's the word? The architecture of the 30s was called Brutalist. Okay. That's what Brutalist is.

but it's about many things in the middle of all that. It's three hours and 20 minutes. You got to like be ready. There's an intermission. You got to be ready. Okay, I think I'm ready with the intermission. It's beautifully done. It's beautifully shot. Adrian Brody is brilliant.

Brilliant. He will win the Oscar, I think. But isn't there some controversy with the AI of it all? Yes, but I can't tell. So I don't know. I don't know. There's so much controversy now. It's a shame. I know. Just in general, right? Do you think there's like a lot more controversy today in the digital age than there was? Yes, of course. Yeah. Of course. My God, when I grew up and there was no phone and there was no...

social media in a way it was so brilliant we didn't even have an answering machine you know like if they got you on the phone at home they got you if they didn't they didn't right no the world is very very different with the phone and the social media of it all it's completely different i mean it's harder for news to pass in like a natural news cycle now because people are stuck on things yeah and things are manufactured there's so much propaganda and misinformation everywhere how do you know

Especially a young, you know, a young person. How do you know what's real or not? You don't. You don't. That's what's scary. It's terrifying. It's terrifying. And everyone should be terrified of that. Yeah. To be honest. Because you see something and it's so believable and it seems so true. And then, I mean, like... How do you know when you're scrolling TikTok? You don't. What's real and what's not? If I see something and I'm like actually interested in it, I'll like Google it and like see...

My mom's a journalist, so I know how to spot it. Oh, interesting. Because she always taught me about fake news from a very, very, very young age. Oh, very, very great. Because she's like always taught me about it, always spoken about it. I've just learned always to fact check and source. So that's one thing I'm very good about. I can catch AI very quickly. Wow, I can't. I can catch it very quickly. I'm very proud of myself in that sense, but – and she's also – she's very skeptical. Oh, yeah.

And so I have my skepticism from her, but I know a lot of people who will send me something and I'm like, that's not real. That's fake. It's all, that's a lie. What you're sending me is a lie. That's what's scary. And that's scary. That's scary. Should we get into the tell me what's wrongs? Yeah, let's do it. Oh my God. Okay. This first one is housewives related. Okay. What's your favorite moment from the real housewives of Beverly Hills? I'm rewatching from the beginning and it's TXOXO.

It's hard to remember because there was eight years of favorite moments, but I'm going to go back to the Provence wine tasting. That was when you guys were all mimicking each other too, right? Yeah. That to me was my favorite moment. Did Kyle do the impression of Teddy walking? Yeah. And we were, it's so funny. Kyle is so good at impressions. And just to watch that again and be there, we laughed so hard. That was pure joy. That's my favorite moment.

Yeah, that was such a... So funny. Such like a peaceful moment in Housewives history. It was so funny. It really was really good TV, I think. I think my favorite moment, aside from Amsterdam, which is just unmatched, I think, and I'm sorry, is the bravo, bravo, fucking bravo of like just that whole storyline. The breaking of the fourth wall and like everything was just so like...

Like, you know what I mean? Like just that moment where she goes, bravo, bravo, fucking bravo. And they kept it in. And then everyone at the dinner table pauses and it's like, you can't do that. So, I mean, and my mom was there. I'll never forget it. Yeah, she was there. I mean, that was so fucking surreal. Yeah. Imagine your mom is sitting there watching all of this and she's like 90. Right. It was so funny. I mean, it was so funny.

It's so funny. She got the biggest kick. She thought we were so fucking stupid and just so like, like just got a kick out of us. Do you know what I mean? Like not fucking stupid, but she just would like shake her head at us and she just got such a kick out of us being dramatic and dumb. Right. To her, she was just like, oh my God. When you're not a part of it, it's like, oh my God. Yeah. Another favorite is you running after Denise. Oh.

Okay, that was really funny. That is just... Okay, I forgot about it. In my bare feet. Yeah, you're running. You're like, what is happening? And she just leaves. Oh my God, the Twilight Zone. I go, this is like the Twilight Zone. Yes, yes, yes. See, I forget. I forget. You have to remind me that was funny. Or when Erica is crossing the street. And she stops. Yeah. And the biker comes. And she goes...

There's so many good moments. There's just too many. Also, when Brandy slaps Lisa. What? Oh, I know. I remember that. They wanted something to happen. She made that happen. She made that happen. Who, Lisa? Brandy. Brandy? They knew something needed to happen. If you look at it, it's just a little tap. Yeah.

That, that, I remember that. They were like, you guys better make something happen. Do you think it's odd to have dated multiple people with the same name as your brother and sister? I just realized that my last three boyfriends all had the same name as my brother. They don't look, that is weird. They don't look like him, but is, is it weird even just a little bit? Yeah. That's weird, right? A little bit. I don't know, like. Yeah. To just realize is crazy. I would know

It makes me nervous a little bit. That's weird. Yeah. It's a good thing she asked. Self-awareness is key. Self-awareness is half of it. I was talking to this guy and he Venmo'd me to get a plan B. I already had one at home, so I used his money to get my nails done and he found out. Needless to say, he didn't talk to me again and thinks I'm insane. I know I'm in the wrong, but please tell me it's not that big of a deal. I'm just a girl. I actually don't think you're in the wrong at all. Why did

Why did she need a plan B? I don't think they used protection and she needed to take a plan B. Oh. She's the one going through that, not him. So she should get her nails done with the money that he gave her. Yeah, why not? I am so team her on this. Why not? Okay. Why not? I am team. I don't think she did anything wrong. I'll go with you. I'll go with you on that. If he is upset that he gave you money for your nails, he doesn't have enough money to sustain this relationship. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'll go with that. That's my thoughts on that. Okay. Okay, Jake.

One of my best friends just told me that she has a crush on me and I feel very awkward now. I still love her as a friend though. That's never happened to me. It's never happened to me either. Cheers. No, I know. I don't know how you recover from that. I don't.

I actually don't think you do. Oh, you don't? I think it changes the relationship. Right. Once you know that. Yeah. I'm not sure. No, I think you're right. I think it changes everything. It just changes everything. Not that it's bad. It's just all of a sudden your relationship is completely different. I mean, but on the bright side, wouldn't you rather know now rather than later? Yeah. You always want to know now rather than later in everything. Right.

When should where should my roommates and I go on our spring break trip? What will get us the most fucked up but also be the cheapest? Maybe like mom. It's hard to ask me that question. I'm a mom. You answer that. I don't know. Maybe like Cabo or Key West. Yeah, I was gonna say like a Florida Florida thing somewhere in Florida. Yeah, Lauderdale would be cool.

Yeah. Okay, I can't sign up for that. I would watch Spring Breakers, the 824 movie. Oh, Jesus. With Selena Gomez and Ashley Benson. Which is actually a great movie. It's a great film. Harmony Korine directed that, right? Great movie. Wow, look at me. Look at you. Wow. But they get really fucked up on not a lot of money. Jesus. Yeah. Dear Jake, my name is Hank. We already know that.

I don't know how to come out to my strict Catholic parents. What should I do? I recently got engaged to my boyfriend and they have no idea, but I want to invite them

I think that you need to do it now. Right. Like, if you're going to, you got to do it. If you're engaged in getting married, you got to, Hank, you got to do it. Yeah. Hank's got to do it. And like, thank God you have a wonderful fiance, I hope, that you have to lean on for support. This is a lot right here in this. This is a lot. I don't usually get intense ones like that. Let's send him love. We're sending you-

of love and support and just know that you're loved no matter what. Right. I think that is so important because that's really tough. It's tough and I also think Hank should know that he can do it however he pleases.

However, if it's over a text and that's right for you, send it in a text. If you want to call them, call them. You don't owe them an in-person meeting about this because if they're making you feel uncomfortable, you need to protect your peace. Oh, that's good. So like if you want to send them a text, an email, a letter, a phone call, however you want to do it, you do it however you need to do it. Very good advice. I wouldn't know to say that. And I think that's my advice on it. Protect your peace.

Because they're in the wrong, not you. Wow. I agree. I agree with that. Yeah. My boyfriend has been texting my brother about moving in with him, but I want to move in with my boyfriend. How do I bring that up without making two of my relationships weird? Oh, I see. So the boyfriend and the brother are going to move in. Yeah. She wants to move in with the brother or the boyfriend? She wants to move in with the boyfriend. Well, if your boyfriend is yours. Yeah. I mean, why would you want to? Yeah. That's a hard one. Just.

Why would your boyfriend want to live with your brother? I mean, you should be grateful that they get along. Should we look into that? Should we look into that, though? Maybe a little. Maybe we need to look into that. Someone is making up a rumor about me. They are saying I am pregnant with my math teacher's baby. What should I do? I don't want everyone to find out. To be laughed, not to laugh. The rumor is not true. So then what's the problem? You're not pregnant. Yeah.

So who gives a shit? Who cares? Let them talk. I agree. I describe the song A World Alone by Lorde because she says, people are talking. Let them talk. Oh, I love that. Yeah. People are talking. Let them talk. It's true. And that's how, and you know, do you listen to Lorde ever?

Very little, but I like her. I mean, she's a good artist, but I don't know. I don't. The beginning of that album, Pure Heroine starts out with the song. I think it starts out with tennis court and the opening line is, don't you think it's boring how people talk? And then she ends the entire album with people are talking, let them talk. Isn't that cool? Genius Lord. I love Lord. Who are you listening to right now?

Kendrick Lamar. I love Kendrick. Me too. Madonna. Madonna. Disco. I listen to everything. I just saw Sunset Boulevard. I need to see it. Oh my God, it's so brilliant. I need to see it. So I'm listening to the Andrew Lloyd Webber soundtrack. It's so good. I need to see it. Life changing. Do they do that walkout every show? Don't they have that walkout at the beginning where they film the guy walking through the streets? That's during the show. That is...

After intermission, right after intermission. And when we were there, it was snowing. So usually I guess he walks out into Times Square and he couldn't because it was snowing. So he just walked out a little bit and then came back in. The show is brilliant. I've never seen anything quite like it. And Nicole is, it's one of the greatest performances I've ever seen. Wow. All time. Wow. And I got to go back and tell her this. It blew me away. And I've seen everything. Yeah. Almost. Almost.

Mind-blowing. I need to see it. She needs to win the Tony, and she will. Oh, yeah. What's the premise, or is it you going blind? I saw Glenn Close in Sunset Boulevard in 94. You haven't even been born yet. It's true. I'm not going to tell you the premise, but go watch it on TCM. Go watch the original movie. Wait, I think I have seen that movie. You have. I think I saw it in film class. So it's based on that. Yeah. And it's, you know...

an old Hollywood silent movie star in her later years. Oh, I have seen this movie, yeah. So it's that, but it's so much more than that. Okay, I'm excited. I'm convinced my boyfriend doesn't know how to read. He can't sound out words he doesn't know. He is an engineer, so intelligence isn't really the issue. But we'll, like, be reading a text or a bill or something, and he'll just stop and ask me what that says, trying to play it off as a joke. Do I ask? Yes, you ask. Okay.

Yes, you ask. Why haven't you already asked? It's giving... Do you know the bit about Lea Michele not being able to read?

No. You've never heard of this? No. Oh, Lisa. I don't. It is like this. I literally just saw her and chatted with her at the Michael Kors show. She can read, okay? Of course she can read. How would that start? She's an actor. She has to be able to read. It's this gay Twitter thing, and they've come up with this notion that Lea Michele cannot read, and they've collected evidence as based on, what is the evidence, Manny? There's tons. I don't know.

You never want to be on that side of the gays. That's all I can say. But it almost feels out of love at this point to Lea Michele. She must laugh. She has to laugh. She has to laugh because, of course, she can read. She has to laugh, but the fact that they came up with this is truly fascinating. No, it's one of the more fascinating gay theories I've seen on Twitter. Yeah, I will say that too. Are you familiar with gay lingo on Twitter right now? Uh-uh. So you don't know about the nachos of it all? No. Okay, so...

So like. Oh shit. There's like if someone's paying tribute to someone like they can be like oh she reheated her nachos. So like. That's actually funny. So like Lady Gaga just put out abracadabra. So they would tweet oh Gaga just reheated her own nachos. I get it.

I get it. Wow. Or like, you know what I mean? Like, and then there's also like, there's just, I don't even know. I like it. Yeah. I don't know any of them, but I probably would enjoy them if I knew. People are trying to get tired of the nachos. I saw someone tweet, like, we need to mute nachos on Twitter. Okay. Yeah. I think Diane Warwick responded. Someone tweeted, Diane Warwick, do you know about the nachos? And she responded, what? Oh my God. I love her.

I fell in love with a guy that made it clear he wanted only friends with benefits. He lives in another state and we talk all the time. He sends so many mixed signals. One minute he wants to be with me and the next we're just friends. Should I walk away now or get with him and hope something stems from that? I would say walk away now. Yeah. I would watch the movie Friends with Benefit or No Strings Attached, which came out at the same exact time. Do you remember that? No. Oh. I don't. They came out at the same time. It was like the same movie just came out at the same time. No. They probably didn't know each other was making a movie. Yeah.

Yeah, no. Move on. I struggle to find a balance when going out. I can never be chill. I always black out and don't remember anything. What should I do? Stop drinking. Oh, you did? When? No, they should stop drinking because if they're blacking out, that's the problem. I had a nightmare about blacking out the other day. Yeah, no. They gave me a sign. No, no, no, no. That one needs to stop drinking and they'll go out and have a nice time. If you're blacking out, you need to stop everything you're doing. Okay. You do not want to black out. Right. It's scary. That's my advice. Don't do anything that makes you black out. Okay.

Agreed. Because shit happens when you black out. I know. People don't do it. Don't, don't do it. And cover your drinks at the bar. Right. Because those roofies are real. Right. I mean, that's terrifying to me. Like, if you black out and end up in another place and you didn't know. That's happened to so many people that I know. And that is terrifying to me. Do you have, like, a blackout that you think about daily sometimes? I know you do. I'm in freshman year of college. My friend blacked out and, like, ran across, like, the...

What? Yeah. See, this is so terrifying because bad shit happens. Yeah, yeah. That's when the evil people come and do evil things. Right. So, what about you? Okay, me neither. Ever? You think Manny has ever blacked out? Manny is so responsible. What about you? Many times.

We never blacked out. We did a lot of shit, but we didn't black out. Right. You guys don't black out. Don't do that. No, no, no. Don't do it anymore. No more. Okay. All right.

Lisa, what did we learn today? Oh my God, we learned so much. No more blacking out. No more blacking out. Be very careful about that. What did we learn? You tell me, what did we learn? Maybe show, not maybe, show more grace to those that you see on reality television because you're only seeing 20 or 30% of who they really are. Amen to that. That is what I learned. Oh, good. That's the truth. Yeah. I think. I mean, again, all of this is my opinion. It's

Only my opinion. That's all that matters, right? Right. But it's all my opinion. Other people might say, oh, that's not true. But I don't think you get to see the whole picture. Right. Of course not. How could you? How could you? Yeah. So I learned that you are a great podcast host. Thank you. You ask really good, interesting questions. I've had so much fun. It's made me think. It's made me...

laugh and I've really enjoyed myself. So I had a lot of fun with you. It was really, really fun. I'm so glad I did it. Cause I hate podcasts. You know that even though I'm doing one, I didn't, I didn't do a podcast for seven years when I did housewives, I started, I fucked myself so much up by saying things and getting myself in trouble with everybody. I said, I'm not going to do them anymore. So for seven years, I didn't do a podcast.

And I just started doing them because we're doing our podcast. So it's really been fun this time around. But I still get myself in trouble. You wouldn't be you if you didn't. Okay, thanks. Exactly. Lisa, I love you. And cheers to that.

I love you. I love you. Do you want to say bye to the pussies? Bye, pussies. Bye, pussies. Own it, baby. And make sure, what day is your podcast out? Fridays. Every Friday? Every Friday. Let's not talk about the husband with Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin. Love you. He's got you. He slayed and he shook. It's therapist, therapist, therapist, therapist.