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484: Doppelgängers

2025/6/8
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Ben Calhoun: 我最初从一个听众那里听说了猪直肠可能被当作鱿鱼出售的故事，这让我感到既震惊又好奇。我开始调查这个传闻，联系了农民、肉类加工厂经理、食品专家和亚洲食品供应商，试图找到确凿的证据。虽然我没有找到直接的证据，但我发现海鲜产品被贴错标签的现象很普遍，而且猪直肠的质地与鱿鱼相似，经过处理后有可能冒充鱿鱼。最终，我决定亲自尝试，和我的妹妹一起烹饪猪直肠，并邀请同事进行品尝。虽然猪直肠的味道很难去除，但经过油炸后，它的外观和口感与鱿鱼非常相似，甚至有人无法区分。这让我意识到，这个故事不仅仅是关于食品欺诈，而是关于一种可能性，关于一种廉价的肉类如何通过转化和救赎，最终登上餐桌。 Ron Meek: 我在肉类加工厂工作时，确实见过标有“人造鱿鱼”的盒子，而且我的老板也告诉我，猪直肠是用来做人造鱿鱼的。虽然我不能确定是否真的有人用猪直肠冒充鱿鱼，但我相信大型屠宰场会充分利用猪的各个部分，不会浪费任何东西。我认为，如果有人想用猪直肠冒充鱿鱼，他们很可能会逃脱惩罚，因为现有的监管体系主要关注食品安全，而不是食品欺诈。 Eddie Lin: 我吃过很多猪直肠，它的质地和鱿鱼很像，但必须去除难闻的味道。我认为，通过漂白或腌制等方法，有可能去除猪直肠的味道，使其可以冒充鱿鱼。 Lauren: 作为一名厨师，我对猪直肠能否冒充鱿鱼持怀疑态度。我认为猪直肠太厚了，而且里面可能还有粪便，味道很难去除。但是，经过油炸后，猪直肠的外观和口感确实与鱿鱼非常相似。 Brian Reed: 自从听说这个关于猪直肠的传闻后，我就一直在避免吃鱿鱼，因为我担心自己会被骗。如果发现猪直肠和鱿鱼无法区分，我就再也不会吃鱿鱼了。在品尝过程中，我误以为自己吃的是鱿鱼，但实际上却是猪直肠，这让我感到非常震惊和恶心。我开始怀疑自己以前是否也被骗过，可能吃过猪直肠。 Ethan Van Buren: 只要切得很薄并油炸，任何东西都会尝起来像油炸过的东西。我认为，如果餐厅里端上一盘猪直肠，大多数人可能都不会注意到，即使有人觉得味道有点奇怪，也会继续吃下去。

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Fred Armisen's impersonation of Ira Glass for Saturday Night Live is discussed, highlighting the unexpected challenges and eventual co-hosting opportunity on This American Life.
  • Fred Armisen impersonated Ira Glass for SNL.
  • The sketch did not air due to potential issues.
  • The This American Life episode theme is doppelgangers.
  • Armisen co-hosts as Glass's doppelganger.

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We got a tip about a meat plant selling pig intestines as fake calamari, wondered if it could be true, and decided to investigate. Doppelgängers, doubles, evil twins and not-so-evil twins, this week. Fred Armisen co-hosts with Ira Glass.

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  • Prologue: Fred Armisen worked up an imitation of Ira and put it into a sketch on Saturday Night Live a couple of years ago. But when they rehearsed it with an audience, there was not a roar of recognition; it seemed like Ira might not be famous enough to be mocked on network TV. Armisen finally gets a go as Ira’s doppelgänger in our studios by co-hosting this episode. (4 minutes)
  • Act One: Ben Calhoun tells a story of physical resemblance — not of a person, but of food. A while ago, a farmer walked through a pork processing plant in Oklahoma with a friend who managed it. He came across boxes stacked on the floor with labels that said "artificial calamari." So he asked his friend "What’s artificial calamari?" "Bung," his friend replied. "Hog rectum." Have you or I eaten bung dressed up as seafood? Ben investigated. (26 minutes)
  • Act Two: For decades, the writer Alex Kotlowitz has been writing about the inner cities and the toll of violence on young people. So when he heard about a program at Drexel University where guys from the inner city get counseling for PTSD, he wondered if the effect of urban violence was comparable to the trauma that a person experiences from war. Kotlowitz talks to a military vet from Afghanistan and a guy from Philadelphia who’s lived in some pretty bad neighborhoods to find out if they are doubles of some sort. (23 minutes)

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