TWiT 1000: The Reunion Episode - Catching up With the Original Twits
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This is to IT this week atteck episode one thousand, recorded sunday, october twenty twenty four, the reunion episode.

It's time for twit this week tech show. We cover the week's technology except this week is a little bit different. I don't know if we're onna get to technos this week because this is our one thousand and episode of tweet and I thought we'd bring back the ganging, the old gang ang, that was here for episode one and the first few episodes.

Patrick norton been with this since the very beginning. Great to see you. Patrick and saint Lewis.

Now say little measure. Yes.

nice to see you. Everybody always asked me, where's Patrick? Where's Patrick?

So the midwest.

he he got ten a motor home and drove until he ran out of gas. And that's where .

in them we took an airstream traded for a year round quality R. V. And we're doing a massive tour around the country right up until coated hit. And then, you know, that's what turns out, thirty food rv seems really small when all of the museums, national park libraries, restaurants and everything else is closed.

What a boner. But you had a good time up to that point. absolutely.

Yeah, so nice to see my old friend from a tech TV coast on the screen savers. And yes, one of the hosts, none only episode one, but episode zero. You and mr.

Norn zero was on episode zero. The one we did from the brooke b. Robert heron is also here.

He was on episode one, I think episode zero as well. Harry, finally a comer high. Robert.

hello, hello. I believe I still have the original audio files that we recorded for that episode.

Don't have to really save him because it's a to that TV slashed to IT one. Now all the shows. Are there a thousand shows? Can you believe it's been almost twenty years?

Well, the what is that? The twenty fifth, third slash third of the niversity of TV technique is coming up.

And or are we going to a picnic .

again in the park?

See not I didn't get invited, so to have no detail. It's a nice hot day and sand Frances could be good day to do that. Also hear Roger shank, who was a regular on many of the early episodes, and of course, another tech TV lab rat like Robert. Good to see you, Roger.

It's good to be her.

You were to call for help with me. And then, of course, now you're on the daily technical show every single day.

monday through friday, day.

day and company. And that's awesome. That's awesome. So is that your job is podcasts? Ter.

I execute to produce, but i'm also of the booker, so i'm aligning guests with the shows as well as planning our content and special weeks and all swords of fun stuff.

So great to see you. And finally, David craig, er, is also here, producer on the screen savers. You heard his name all the time in vain, and he's been very, very fect. All of you guys have been very busy. What are you up to these days of?

Well, you retired, aren't you retired?

Admitted.

no, not retired. So I I took A, I took a full time job, my first w two job in over ten years. Um i'm right. I'm building out video strategy for marketing for a company called automatic .

nice I know automatic. Matt mullen, wade, he's been in the news lately. I won't ask you about the wp engine anything.

There's a lot of drama. I I if you feel like did .

you you didn't take the buyout?

No, no, i'm i'm actually really excited to be there. There is a huge opportunity. Everyone talked about word Prices, you know forty, forty three percent of all websites.

And I believe that fairly accurate, not automatic, of course, is a small percent very, very small percent of that. But it's also you know the open source project which not started are cofounded is know is the behemoth. So obviously there having some issues mostly around copy, right? Um i'm IT right around trademarking, right it's turned into a public spat. I and it's it's been very difficult, I think for him because IT looks like you know that model is being the the greedy bully. But same time, what you've really got has you've got a know W P engine is company owned by a large private .

equity firm of Green.

They are to be on yeah you and so I kind of feel bad about how automatics and a little of us now some of the posture might not have been the best way originally started. But after after many, many, many months of saying you guys needed to contribute the project, which is not legally required, but they have also know using the trademark and using the trademark e, you know that and several the folks and the executive teams that look, we need to tell these guys to stop taking advantage, to stop taking adventure, the project, and that's how we got to work regard today. And so as things come out, you know, W, P, S, I felt bad enough that they wanted to file lawsuit for everything from slander to libel to to extortion.

And I think you know when when things shake out and you really look at what was being thought over and what open source means, a great large outside of even just what word dresses we're fighting, the good fight is what I think. And so and again speaking of to buy out um you know IT was a generous offer. I think a lot IT was talking about aligned and whether or not you know the speak amongst the employees was if you disagree, that's fine.

You have every right to disagree. If you don't believe in what automatic is and you want to hurt automatic or you want to lead things automatic, that obviously there's no place for you at automatic. And so they created this, this biology. My gut tells me also that, you know, some people were not alive, and I think some people are, have been there for a long time, talking about the jobs, thinking about even retirement.

And when you give someone an offer like that, that makes you think about where you are in your career, what you're doing, where you want to go and if you're thinking about leaving, regardless of what necessary the reasons were even before the wp engine thing came out. I think IT was IT was a easy way for you know eight percent of the company to take that off, make that decision. So if anything, I think you know for math prospect can not speak for me, but I think you know we're kind of reenergize and see that we've got over ninety percent the company that is really excited to be there.

I'm fairly new there. I see our opportunity is extensive. I am having a really good time with that. So so I didn't cross my mind at all, but it's interesting times because this past week almost felt almost like a layoff but IT wasn't you ve got .

that was a huge percentage, was eight percent yeah.

one hundred and sixty, almost hundred thousand of a big to two thousand yeah IT was a big deal. But it's it's also nice to know that everyone that left did dits of voluntarily. What have been impressed with is the the reMarks that people made on we have our own internet and different internal discussion groups and the kindness that came out of colleagues for for each other for a fully distributed company was a pretty impressive.

How how many times people have gotten together. They do a lot of me. So every team meets up one or more times a year. Every division meets up one or more times a year. So I was fun to see how much to come. Rather there was and how much respect there was a lot of those staying and amongst those leaving type, yeah, I feel really proud to be organic and it's a kind of a best because you know word Price is it's you know above the fold and make dream technical right now. And it's not i'm kind of hoping it's less about even wordpress with more about what .

opens source of all. People love drama. Excuse that people love drama and it's bs.

And I know mad. I've no math since the early days. A word press was an early user.

They were a sponsor on our shows for many years. I've been interviews, met many times. He's a good man and a real support of open source.

Yeah, he's great. I even ended up with the company because I I used to do well after after revision three left, I started doing marketing and promotions videos for startups because I fell in love startups and I fell over with entrepreneurship. And so I would just do be up a launch videos and promo videos for for various startups. And automated is, ironically, still start up.

So I would do projects for automatic every and then and so we just had a conversation after running past each other kind socially and started to talking about what they were doing and what the marketplace was looking like, what their competition was doing and you know where they were, where they were doing well and where they were doing wrong. And there is a lot that they weren't doing, not marketing in general, which is like, how are they are you leveraging video assets, which is i'm pretty good out. So yeah, he's talking me to join the team and night and I had just had a daughter and I hadn't .

had an you have a year old.

I do yeah anything people you just turned to yes. So so when I saw the the benefits package, which is actually quite good and I haven't had a benefits package and the laugh full have employed by employer as I got right, I think I think i'll do this and and I was still got side project and he was like, you could still, you know, do those. So IT was kind of an easy, good, easy opportunities said we .

need to show the whole group here because this is a pretty special group of people for a one thousand episode. Know, twit has gone through a lot of iterations and generations. It's almost twenty years, and lots of different people have come and gone in south forth.

But these were the cats that started. There's one face missing though anybody who listen to our at least episodes we will say, hi, where's Kevin rose and Kevin couldn't be here, but he did send us discreeter a leo. Kevin is here.

Just want to say a huge congratulations. Really bumped. I can be there for episode mor one thousand. I'm actually going to be in london during the recording, otherwise I would one hundred percent be there. I remember going up for episode number one um we were shooting in some little tiny cubby kind of back office thing on the ground and that was just the beginning of watching you embark upon this amazing journey to create a all this great content over the years.

And you, I think back at that time and obviously detectives moving to los Angeles and all the other things you could have done in media, the fact that you chose to take the entrepreneur path is was just really inspiring. And I just want to say thank you for doing that. Thank you for going independent um forbids the the media empire that you have today and for entertaining and informing all of us over many, many years and many, many episodes.

So a couple quick reminders though when we started this episode or we started this this podcast, uh, the iphone didn't exist. Bitcoin was not invented social media and facebook was one year old, and I was a college only at that time twitter did not exist. Windows XP was the dominant OS and youtube had just been founded in february of two thousand and five.

Um it's crazy what has happened and what we've witnessed, what has changed over the years. Net lix was also a male service at that time, so was male and only there was no online streaming of netflix. And lastly, the fastest processor at that time was an until pentium four and IT went to three point eight giga hoards.

Which of these doesn't seem far off where they are today, but maybe that explains some other problems. Anyway, enough about that. Just a fun trip down memory lane and all the stuff that you've seen over your career. And a huge thank you for giving me my first opportunity. My first got started text TV by the Grace of yourself in pop lock lowing me to do that first.

I really kicked up my grand and i'm forever grateful for that so I love you wishing you many more great episode health and I don't know how you're not aging, but it's just IT is crazy to me. I made some skin for tips. Thank you, Kevin.

It's great to see all of you to such great memories. All of us were a text TV. I think that's how this all got started as we worked at tech TV um which started in one hundred and ninety eight. And I guess the picnic is for the twenty be the twenty fifty anniversary is all right. Wow.

I think remember David, the out he was, the studio .

acr had .

a place .

like this.

He did and he would call at the speed way swing member. So 是。 This this is that I think and market is him and markets beauty .

putting IT together of marmaris was the sound guy great side. When is .

IT gonna h xx?

Well, I guess I Better fine my invitation.

I think you're just .

an open .

invite.

You've heard the start of it's called um it's all text based. It's called um what is .

old every guy no .

the text base is a text base event APP called a party ful. I'd never .

heard of that party for okay yeah be a party .

for and yeah it's actually quite good because just all text, you get a text message. You can use the APP if you want and then just all the you should .

fly up for this next saturday come on out, go go to the speed way now he doesn't onna happen alright? Anyway, it's great to see all of you a thousand episodes at roughly fifty to a year is almost twenty years. Kevin, actually, i'm glad put that list together because I was thinking to do IT and didn't get around to IT.

But there a lot has changed, but a lot has changed in your lives, too. So i'd like to kind of catch up a little bit with each of you to see what you've been up to. Patrick, the last I saw of you, you're driving off in airstream. Yeah IT was that twenty, eighteen.

twenty nine, twenty nine?

Yeah, you and your wife, Sarah, and your two children, one child, I can't remember now, two, two, that's what I thought. Okay, who are you? Two kids and how old? They .

seventeen. Tristan is twelve.

wow. So you ve got teenagers. How is that going for you?

Ah, you know, it's a teenager, you remember much of teenagers. It's good tristan in the you know seven grade which is mind lowing he's going to a school here in site. Lewis shame is still home school and their kids you know he was IT was fun like the full time our being thing was great right up until cob a hit and and you know, full time our being is a lot less fun. And all the national parks, museums, parks, restaurants, libraries, everything else is closed.

Did you plan on on landing somewhere? We're just gonna drive through.

Remember two thousand and eight when the the economy collapsed the last time. So we we add a list we'd put together, list the place where many of us were working at that point. They were going to run of money.

That's when we bought the air stream originally at a list of seven, nine, particular, like fifty places we want to see, like potential towns and cities to live on, national parts we hadn't seen. Then the company got more money and kept going to the spot by discovery. Within three kept going until the spotted by discovery. And then two and nineteen we still had the air stream in this list when I was simply to called for yeah so we had this massive road trip um you know that we baseball across we had to establish omai and sand ago, spend time and not send ago and south dakota full time our beings kind of fascinating, totally boring.

So specially family I that's that's a well .

that was great, right? To see a well, you know depends on the family. Also, we were just like going for national park. National park spent a couple weeks with family and denver did a bunch of time in southeastern colorado, the great sand dunes and the same is valley. Um came out sec luis and ah then go IT hit and you know we had this huge we're going to come back through all of our favorite national parks in southern new talk to go to sign on a brice and then up through um you know the um I still haven't seen um uh josh we tree and something we have this all this list of places to hit all the way back to california or back up through monta and then then kova just shut everything down so we got a house and saint Lewis and been here represents so the company .

you're talking about, of course, revision three. The company that Kevin prayers started, right, was that you and Kevin, were you the two principle.

the actually five kind of fight wells is Kevin. And in the weird way, Kevin.

dan, with, yeah, we talked about IT. yeah.

And then and then j adults got involved, you know him, I think, sure. And he started technics.

which is he's an entrepreneur, so he, he knew had a great man. Yeah, yeah.

And so he said here, because we atti did did a field like little field segment about how data center work.

J with the great. yeah.

His interviews. So he became friends with Kevin and saw that Kevin and the end of the system show, which is kind of like a less another version of the broken IT, wasn't quite as that. The broken, I guess, kind of an adult sh, even though, no, I wasn't as much as know how to explore your heart drive and the friends come in and more about how to hacking your x box.

Instead, IT was coming the first DIY show that streamed online.

Yeah, IT was cool. But j and said, hey, about, I give you, you know, fifty thousand dollars, quit your job and so then they created some positions, and then there's getting wrong word to ski.

Who is their first kind of like systems guy and the Keith Harrison who was at the time he was shooting and editing, yeah, he was shooting and editing yeah, he was a technical sector tec v, but he was shooting in the broken and then they wanted someone to kind of producing this dev and more production work. And so Kevin asked if I would come join. And so we were kind of the founding team at that point. So I I quit my job at G. I think the first job at revisions to you, I think my self, I was like forty grand, and and you know and then we know we built a little, little empire of sorts.

did really well. That was dignity, was the thing that really put IT on the map.

right? I did because IT was so easy. I mean, IT was easy in the weird way, like this, this show in the word way, easy. And you find some text stories with some good personalities, and you talk about and and that's what they did. No, they might have feel they brought.

Have you seen .

that I was down there and help them tape the first one or participated and I should say and then um i'm not sure the entire motivation but I think he just wanted to you know after getting out of his N F T stand that the yeah yeah he wanted .

to get back .

in the media because he's always been the media guy even though .

that is real love he was an entrepreneur he always said, I like making apps. Have a Kevin rose. I like making apps, like helping people make apps. But you know what he like broadcaster that really .

a know even a pounds member pounds that .

could have been twitter .

but I wasn't no ah I would even say revision three I mean yet the nation helpfully for a while but and we were almost too early and even the timing could have been weird did .

me so we did more vision three. And what did you do for a vision three? Petr, ick, you were doing.

I was the proof of concept that the dignity wasn't a fluke and other shows could make.

And what was in the show?

There would be tex, ella, I took over illa basically running system and texas ella and texel daily and helped out with mother stuff.

And we eventually discovery. But IT wasn't a big exit or anything.

People just kind of got that .

well at that point.

I was to say after the economy crash, I think any exit that didn't involve crashing and burning and getting chair instead of a final paycheck was a solid exit. But .

discoveries by out was a very, and i'll say this in a very diplomatic way, IT. IT was a very unique liminal space between what revision three was and what marrying into a large media congruent that had different ideas of how did you stay with .

IT a Roger after they have bought IT?

I stayed on for a little bit and then yeah the we decided to part ways .

yeah the mean, the media landscape has changed a lot in the last twenty years and that was just one of many waves, right? I mean, I know what look what discovery is now .

they're huge, but you know what they are. They're still swim. They're still swim in some of the same kind of organization systems. I think that uh, Patrick and ee encountered with .

you're being very diplomatic.

I live in an industry town. I don't don't want to kind of this.

but we can read between the line.

I live in saint luis, so I can probably say anything at this point. But but but i'm on the marketing side of the fence working for you know somebody that doesn't make media. But discovery bought revision three because they were fascinated that anybody could make money on the web and they didn't get that. Um and IT was there were some I mean, there was some really hysterically moments.

You know one of my favorites and I know Robert and frag IT and Roger, if you watch you the video watched their faces as I say this because, you know, we got pulled out of these dog and pony headquarters at discovery and the the super senior executive vice president kind of person who is part of acquiring us was discussing like they make content for a hundreds of what we do per hour and i'm like my hand goes up and he's like Patrick and I could take a thousands and is like and they're free and like you're explain that we may content for much less money and at a much higher frequency. And I remember being like, we have to do you show us a year minute them or you we disappear and I watch you can tell all the producers in the audience of about six hundred people because the producers are going, their heads are going back. And for, no, no, no, no, no. Like.

don't tell him that. Why are you telling him that for?

And youtube es around at this point. But nobody knew what was gonna happen.

Yeah, nobody how we did not exist.

Yeah yeah so nobody really, but they had much interesting because they had a sense that what was going on IT at revision three was kind of the beginning of something. So show some some intelligence on their part.

But there is also there was so much internal friction.

It's not a good match. You get a big bittle in network.

There was also funny.

We were like me. They were like, well, how do you make money? It's like what our host to you host branded IT ads and they're like that doesn't scale and more like you've heard of like Howard stern and we started rattling off people and industries. They're like that's never going to work and we're like.

ah yeah, he was right. Well, because guess who decides whether or works or not? They do.

David as well. Yes, dave, let me give you give you a one, one story that sort of sustinet tly ties together, what Patrick has been saying at what i've only been intimate. So we have the opportunity to have the guys from myth busters, Jimmy and most spacing on his name, the other guy from adam on I got contacted directly.

Okay, which you would like to have them on. There is part of this kind of a sponsorship that you're doing with a gilead on our shows like, hey, that's great. We're all part of the same family should go perfectly well.

No, I literally asked everyone in the office like, you call what this is? okay? You will call what this ask jim.

I ask head of sales and bremer phy. And this said, yeah, no problem. This should be perfect. Soon as I tried to schedule, I got a cough of discovery headquarters about some issues, and I needed to talk to the producer of myth busters in order to kind of a switch.

Any kind of concerns you may have of us doing something with Jimmy and adam? And I was weird because IT took almost four days of back and fourth phone calls to kind of like that. I was like, this is the weirdest thing I have ever experience. And I remember ergin walked bias, like, you know, if they don't bias, this would have been not, this would have never .

been an issue said, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah yeah jim, you talking about jim later back back, who became CEO of vitamin? I think he's still fit, kind of of CEO still find .

semi retired. Yeah.

he retired well, was he?

By the way.

he's my content creator because I see him all of a linked in create and .

content he is a weekly news letter is are linking about .

the created is actually he knows his stuff from yeah .

yeah I know everyone .

and you're watching the two. I'm sorry, this is very inside baseball, everybody. If you want to come back next week, we'll probably get around the tech news.

Although that was a pretty good insight story about automatic there that would not have had with you had not been here, David. So thank you. I appreciate IT.

We're fight no old battle. So mostly because it's just the old time is sitting around the barrel talking about the good old days. So Roger, you have kids?

Yes, I have.

I thought that would never happen.

why? why? I don't know.

I just, I don't know russia. I just feel .

like I forever, forever like the fresh face. Twenty three .

year old, you never grow up from my point of view. So you married. Tell about the I am.

I been married for third, ten years.

ten years. Yeah, that's congratulating. And then how old is? Are your children?

There are six and nine. One has to will turn ten with the new.

And you love apple of your eye.

Yes, yes, as they get older, there are certain things that I am trying to uh, work out. But overall, I am I am very pleased with. But there's a trajectory .

good for you. You know I just didn't know you had IT in your Rogers. That's all.

Wow.

can read. You're like a high school.

You like a high school coach rolled in with a drunk uncle, oh my.

that's me in a cell.

How do you go? Do great things but coach.

they call me that. And Robert, what are you up to these days? Robber hearing.

I still do a variety of basically technical and and a in person assistance through my company here and tilt of you.

You do a TV calibration and things like that, a vy .

calibration assistance in terms of consulting local businesses and individuals for the the AV needs. I also have managed to stay busy with uh, either through a variety of other gigs that I just kind of pile on do IT all uh, namely either writing or doing consultation work for various manufacturer of the gear i'm usually getting hands on with anyway. And have yeah IT is ever since the tech TV days that let us down to g four, then eventually ended up back the Davis media through PC magazine and extreme tech until they laid off the whole west coast.

And at that point .

I got kind of that is like the third or fourth lay off i'd been through and I was a little burned out on that. And that's kind of what set me on the path of sort of can I work for myself and how long can I do IT? And so far, it's been just been a fun ride and taking me around the world a couple times.

nice. yeah. In terms of .

the different companies you interact with be IT from asia to ena me, IT and and across the united states, there's a lot of a lot of fun to be had. And i'm still kind of doing what i've always done well, just keeping up on the latest and greatest as far technology goes. I'll be at ce come january again.

That's like my playground for seeing all the new stuff coming out in addition to some local treasures to like through S I D uh society society of in this plays when they do a local a tragedy, hearings and oz. And that's where you can really meet the scientists involved of whose crafting the technology you'll be looking at in the coming year or two. And and between all of IT, it's just I have a lot of people i'm grateful uh, toward in terms of either helping me out being on your show back in the day call for help uh, as an intern taking off Rogers old position.

an intern call for help. I was I took took of .

the writer's job. And then when louder bec started the lab pass, patra got me into there. That's right.

And that that was the world were the .

total highlight of because then .

it's like after .

g four ended up being invited by a latter back was working for six Davis media and the west coasts office. And I ended up going back to that environment, which surrounded me with just amazing tech kids and good writers and just being able to create a new, a new environment in the early days of streaming content and IT was all just ugly, fantastic.

And nowadays, I kind of spread my time between my business and i'm a member of my a local service club for the last fourteen years or so. And that gives me a way to contribute back to the community. And I I work with the children's group every week, a teaching safety and other items. And it's just, yeah, I do what I can and I really enjoy what i'm doing and .

I have no kids.

You one ah yeah .

yeah everyone.

Now the prager actually had a had a child at .

this advanced stage. I said.

what a lot that just .

say the tax actions are are, are credibly Better official.

My kids are Henry thirty and abbe's thirty two. wow. And you remember them, come on on call for help.

And they were this. I remember when I was just aby.

yeah then yeah. And angry was born yeah yeah that goes really fast. That's all I can warn you and just enjoy. I know it's hard as they get to get more teenager, but enjoy IT and David, you're write the medal of a two year old.

Wo that's it's crazy. What's weird is IT it's finally going to be sort of Normal I I say the word like .

my daughter .

like IT feels Normal IT takes a way. In twenty seventeen IT took me a full of .

year where I was used .

to say my my wife yeah yeah so but it's great. It's going well um we're just taking you out of her mani program so she's going into this high school and I was immediately the the childcare so expensive. So it's it's like I feel like I just got a massive race because because we cuts our child care expenses in half and they were ridiculously high.

So IT is there is no joke. Yes, childcare is very expensive. I I am very grateful for the the many programs california presents to parents that helps alleviate some of the cost.

Yeah, it's so hard. I think people don't realize how hard is being I and dad.

It's A A lot of work. A lot of work is a lot IT is very rewarding like I .

thing I in the best thing I was .

at the first, like my kids first girl scout meeting last month and is all this is going to be weird, but it's actually category. You get to be around the other parents as they are making a little friendship bracelet ts.

and they don't call him girl cats anymore, right?

sketch. But it's Brownies for the eldest and the Daisy .

for my Youngest. Nice, sweet. You're watching a special episode of this week in tech or are one thousand episode.

I thought i'd bring the old gang back together. We can catch up. We get more catching up to do.

But I have to take a break because we're ad supported. Actually, we're also clubs supported. I know all of you have I think almost all of you have patro on pages and and clubs.

And that's one thing is really changed. And I think very, very powerful is the ability to go directly to your audience and have the audience support what you do. I know Roger d tms is is doing great based on patron support.

I will say this, if we had patching on back in the revision three days.

I have been a different thing .

would have been completely different. There is a level of there's a report between you and the audience that supports you that I find to be very supportive. It's not how things used to be where if you aren't careful, things were just kind of evolved into a very toxic atmosphere. It's a very I mean.

no, no, you can. I've been there too.

You life like six seven year supporters and know they're transitioned into patron from from from their days. You're just watching when we start in two and fourteen. And IT is i'm always impressed.

Everyone has a very A A very productive conversation. They have ideas. It's never very like you said, not stupid and gna rain you, but it's hard to describe. I always constantly amazed that IT is as healthy as IT is.

What is clear to me after doing this for twenty years is that the real secret to uh, this kind of media I don't want even call a podcasting because it's now it's youtube, but it's all the right thing. But the real secret is community is building a community around you. It's not audience.

I kind of always said that even in the tech TV days, it's not about an audience. It's about a community. It's about you in a group of people together.

And C, D, T, V, net camp network. Yeah, ah, yeah. Look how far we've come though.

Mean, he used to be. We had a cinema. We've sent him a three come net cam.

right, with the PCI card that they had to install themselves.

and then they had to pick up the phone because he couldn't do both video and audio and any decent company. And especially they be on the phone and one frame. Every force could not .

see whether they could do video at this equality.

I was just for video.

The video was a miracle .

by the phone was both the stroke of genius, but also the in diamond of the level of technology of tellest conference at that time, right? Because worst case in area, the video goes dark. We could still get their audio.

We could do and the food .

is going to work. You can totally talk to them. But I mean, the community is IT. What you've said is that you know having a strong community, it's it's amazing because there is a what we're very country interests of this on dt is to have a conversation is not just a one way lab, one way. It's a back and fourth, and I think that's the key, is to have a conversational community, an approach to to the content.

We started a club about two years, a glow club twit. And IT has been IT is now a significant part of our revenue. And uh, without IT, I don't know if we'd be able to continue to be honest with you because podcast advertising is kind of to winter lease found and a nitch with because we're a tech podcast whorf with B2Be tec hnology com panies.

But really, the club is a big part of what we do these days. If you're not remember, by the way, seven box a months, the club twit twi T T, T T V seh club twit. Somebody was about to say something I heard of breath.

I do want to do something I was going to. And this might be at a love fiel do brad Murphy, who used to, he were to, he did his own company called seism. And they just put together, you know, advertisers with, well, what generally is cultural ors. But you would be in a little, David, is brands on the year shows .

having done this for so long, I was I was a creator, I was an influencer, but well before those categories existed. So i'm not because i've been doing IT too long. And you know, one of the one of the kids today, anyway, how do you want to take a break? I'll come back with more of this great panel and more memories of tech TV and tweet as we do our one thousand and episode with Patrick north n robbert hirin rogate chain and David craig.

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We're celebrating a thousand episodes. It'll be twenty years. Our first episode was in April twenty fifteen. So it'll be twenty years in about six months. But you know, we've done one thousand of these and IT all started well. There was episode zero, which I think everybody here was on episode zero, which we did after macro expo at a brew pub, the twenty first amendment group pub.

which Patrick IT or IT was the one across the you from the w the spanish top place.

No, no, no, no. It's to twenty first OK because I remember we are walking as a group down second .

to get to IT. So you guys were all on and Sarah, your wife Patrick was but I wouldn't put her through this.

You represent the couple uh, and then we did a but but and that was so cool because we did that at hawk just without any plans we that we SAT and talk with fun, put IT up and I think ten, twenty thousand people download of IT and I was like, wow um I had already been podcasting the radio show that I do and so already had the kind of the mechanism for people to download IT such as IT was and so far but I I couldn't believe how many people did IT, but there was no way because you guys were all over. Most of you had gone to L A. With g four.

There was no way to kind of get and I was up in pedalo, ma, to get as everybody together until some may call the radio show on skype. And IT sounded really good. I said, how? What are you? You're not on a phone, are you? They said, no, we're on skype. I said, oh, maybe that'll make IT work although if you listen to episode one, Kevin rose was sitting on the floor, the added patrigno on skype, I think you maybe you are under your know you had just gone come back from a long drive somewhere like a road race or something.

probably from some desert race.

desert race, I think so, yeah, yeah, some like that. And so in the quality was was terrible. And I can remember for years, sunday night, the show would be over. And I would spend five, six hours working on this audio, trying to make IT so that you could even understand what was going on, what people were saying stuff.

Well, you could probably could .

probably take that same audio quality and run IT through .

some A I the .

it's it's kind of sad because I think we're even doing color correcting for video. You don't have to spend that much .

time on anymore .

because so yeah, it's it's incredible and even far you can strip out, I mean, ten.

five years ago can look at this ript A I. You can edit the text and IT would do the audio at its have you heard the new no book? L, M, google, gi, nope, elm, that makes a podcast out of anything.

Yes, I passed my resume thread and it's the most I will say there is a level of fluctuation that's both a weird, that is both kind of worrying, but also very like, wow, I sound so much Better than what I put IT to IT um and IT is a IT is both, I think, a very uh interesting display of the technology. But I also, I think underscores the limitation. I passed my resume, I passed a couple of wicky pages I put in a product web page I think I was like for a sota um and you tend you tend to see where IT repeats are the familiar of certain aspects of IT. But I mean, if you want to hear your entire ized work kind of spoken about in a podcast, a in a in a very kind of conversational pod.

guess so, Roger, when you did this, did did they have basic to anonymous issue? Podcasts holds talking about, just talking about Roger chain? Yes, they talk you about.

yeah, there a male as a female.

and they sound like podcasts ers because this sound kind of dope and like, oh yeah well, like I mean they're it's very of ad libby .

right has a very conversation like will hold on so you're saying and then they drop in the I I even .

drop in an article .

they worked at .

revision trees.

How would you tell him me? I mean, I said I was at the cusp of of the cable TV revolution. Oh yes, like and it's just like, wow, this sounds so much Better than what I had.

It's kind of, you know I mixed feelings about that. Sounds like you to two, Roger, because on the one hand, and makes everything sound kind of mediocre, but on the other hand, it's kind of amazing that IT can do that right.

There will be a time where so much of IT that we find so kind of jaw dropping or or eyeball popping will become so rote in generic that people will automatically dismiss IT in the same way that when photoshop allows you to alter images for the first time, in a way that seems that my realistic and you didn't need to use our brushing or anything, people is like, wow, this is going to change things. But people got used to IT. And then you say, hey, this day looks photoshop because, you know, you know, people, people acclimatize to the change. And then they start seeing the themes, and they start pointing out .

there are moment when it's really surreal like A O podcasting is translated into several languages and the tool they use um you know one thing for for IT too sort of like listen to the podcast and translated in the spanish but the thing it's it's one of the places were AI is actually working phenomenally well because IT not only turns the podcast in to spend finish but IT makes you sound like the person hosting the podcast is if they were speaking spanish so their accents relatively intact except you know three of speaking but it's really surreal um when IT works when IT doesn't work. Yeah I think greger leo, the whole moment where you're just like that was almost like a human but not I mean.

it's weird because you bring up the translation think the one thing that I remember distinctly from a the home meter, a uh comfort or um uh uh convention, a keynote that they did, what the metal glass then doing the real time .

translation.

which is kind of kind of like the golden, like like the the the standing cup of like real time.

It's the fish from from joker's guy. I mean, it's yeah that would be amazing.

I mean, I know I .

have to say every tech company has shown this demo, and i'm still waiting for IT to actually happen. You can kind of do IT with your phone. Have you tried this at all? You know, you're in mexico and you say, hey, how much of the talk .

OS google translated amazing.

I just had this done to me two weekends ago. Someone wanted some change to park at the beach because we're at the the beach over in sana. Monica and SHE didn't speak any english so her her daughter camo SHE must have been like fourteen and SHE had her phone out and he just added, say what they wanted.

Um I mean, you know it's it's definitely it's definitely a technology that I think will be the will be the kind of like IT when IT works and IT works for everybody like you're just not you're not tied to a specific platform. You not tied to a specific service, it's gona blow up because now people will have a way to converse that you don't necessarily need to to to spend a lot of time, which is not to say that you shouldn't spend time learning a different language. I think IT opens up your your concept of of different things are being from a bilingual. But I IT IT is very much like I think IT will go a long way to helping people interact, uh, in situations that might have been a little more cluster otherwise total.

I ve been in scenario where I am the stranger in a strong's land. And that was the only tool I had available to me to communicate with those around me. And IT served its purpose Better than expected. And this is even going back a few years now, through across several languages and everything from trend to order a meal in a restaurant I otherwise wouldn't upset fit in to just people in the street. Or I keep going back to google translate, but they have an ability just to have a message you can flash up on your phone in large text.

And that was useful for just quickly signal to someone who who may not be that adapt to their own language even and being able to just get get something across quickly or in debt conversations like o you know what I need to, I need to understand fully what this person is, is trying to get across to me. And you can literally lay that device between you and them. And just please look at the screen to reference what's being said and translated in real time. And IT is IT impresses me when IT works perfectly.

I had a several hour later in istana coming home, and I took a uber to just because I wanted.

like i'd never .

what did that is? And just basing started having a conversation with me because he wanted to know what I was doing there and how much time I had and and we just had a short conversation just and I give him credit, I didn't pull up in the APP. The uber driver did.

So you talked IT into his phone, and he translated for him.

So he said something. He played IT for me. And then he said he, I forget what the APP was.

A lot of in school.

school trains, you hit a button. Gool people.

yeah. They will. yeah. And the cool .

thing is I use google's ear buds, and so I can have to translated speech, go into my ear, and they don't have to hear that repeated. And IT makes me even more seamless that way, where IT is very close to being like the battles fish, which is.

The start universal translator .

IT is impressive. Patric.

your writer though, do you ever think what do you think about A I and writing? There's a kind where he coming up next month, nano ryo, the nano ryo, folks, we're saying it's OK to use A I and then a lot of writers think IT is absolutely not OK to use a iphone nano ramo.

Well, I think using A I for nano rio defeat the .

entire in the process .

of creation and become maybe for inspiration or something like that. Know you know, there's. So I spent most adult life writing, I ve taught people the right to help people, right of editor people, stuff.

I've turned web articles into, you know, scripts. I've turned scripts into web articles i've written for, you know, blow, blew, blow, blow blaw, right? So you know, I like books yeah you have .

a few behind you for people will not watch in the video looks like you're on library .

diet say it's the by we're going for here but the you know so there's it's interesting right there was a sort of, you know somebody freeLance plant at work. We've had a service and was like a gig economy deal where you paid you had a twelve month contract. You pay however much per month.

And they generated, you know, six thousand worlds a months, four year. He was trash. IT was bad.

It's very mediocre, I find. Well, the nobility gm stuff is well, whole held that thought for second.

right? Because this was humans and none of them, they didn't know what a lead paragraph was, right? They couldn't ite a sixth grade. I say you were supposed to tightly outline things and I would tightly outline things and they would not actually follow the outline.

IT was IT was a mess and and when ChatGPT three was released, the the client I was working with ran something through ChatGPT three and their like, how does this compared to such and such and I was like, well, that's Better than what the service is doing. And it's, you know, for all tense of purposes, free. One of the things they know a lot of people who write on to, whether it's on the marketing side or or the you know whatever side you want to take uh, is that different tools do the job Better than others.

Um different services like ChatGPT three got worse and worse over time. I was like the more people used at the longer and weirder the sentences got. So went for like teen tight clean copy with a solid to the sort of meandering things. Um I don't magine there's anybody in this podcast right now who hasn't done a google search and thoughts themselves. Gosh, I really hate the cirl results being clogged up with this A I at the top for what because I I don't think I get through three days in a row without looking at google summary of search results without being horrified.

or I stopped using google. I they make a big mistake. I think there's ve gone. Wait out.

That was one thing I kind to appreciate a technical especially was having a copy editor. Somebody could go over what i'd written in IT made me a Better writer in the end. And that's what I see.

A I right now is one of the best tools available. Granted, it's taking jobs away from people who who study very hard to be very good at at the written word. But IT is a wonderful tool to go through and take a look at and just take a look at what I written.

Is there anything obvious and gLance? And then also for research, IT is so much Better to use a tool like G P T four or whatever want and and IT as far as a the ability to tell you where it's getting that information from and to present you with relevant facts about a particular topic. I just I I enjoy IT and I appreciate IT four years.

It's weird because I use ChatGPT because I write a weekly column for for the A D N S. patrons. Patrons and I run IT through ChatGPT to copy.

I at IT. Then I take that and I passed IT through. My wife was a copy editor and SHE.

There are still things that need to be cleaned up and there's still things that need to be done. But IT does kind of shave off some of the some of the work. I will say that some of the alternative that offers tends to kind of blind, blind eyes.

Uh, what you're writing, if you, if you write a specific voice, intends to make IT all the merging, which I find kind of not helpful if you want to stand out. I also find for research, I still follow up with all the links to double check because they're been a few cases where IT ChatGPT. But but gemini also does this were confused, two very similar pieces of information as the same thing. And I I go through because the last thing you want to do is, yeah, this soon so happened that this person, when I was, in fact, two different people with a very close sounding name.

So sounds like you guys are all bullish AI. It's not fair to say .

anybody not I am I am bullish, but i'm also circumspect about what I can do. I think there's A I think there's a hype cycle around A I for where where we kind of had the same thing with big data, what a decade ago, everyone was saying, you ve got to collect all the data. You'll be able to process that.

You'll be able to find the best customer and then you're targeting with add strait to the eyeball that, that sell them, that one no product that no one else wants, but they want. It's not that I don't think I will be through for. I just think there's also a lot of there's a lot of people trying to get in this space and intends to froth up things more so than I think people would understand IT to be.

I made a wonderful assistance, and I encourage many people who may not even consider such a tool in their day, day lives. H, I know a lot of people in very blue collar industries that are being asked now to prove themselves again within, said they just been bought out recently, and they need to be more technologically a stood, or how you want to put IT. And that is a tool.

L, you can literally go to and just have a conversation with about maybe a subject you're not familiar with. I've also encouraged some of my Young nieces and nephews. It's like, hey, look, they're dealing with everything from like a class project where was like, okay, I here's a coating language you guys are working with to make an L D turn on and off.

I'm not one hundred percent familiar with what this is. You're working with their blood. I can ask, say, chat, a beauty forward to provide sample code for this and give you guys at least an idea of what card yeah, yeah. It's a wonderful tool like that in every programmer I have come across the last few years. Everyone has a paid account for GPT, and they are using that for as as a face just to get the grind work done as far as the whatever project they are currently working on.

Her trying to finish I we just interviewed Kevin player from a time he actually uses ChatGPT to write we're not chat T G P T another uh general AI to right code for him for things were just like I don't really not a code, but IT works and IT works IT up for .

for what I like there's a recipe for disaster. Well.

and IT doesn't .

know what it's doing, but that .

seems to work. I think there is A I think that kind reminds me of the busy .

week days of did a lot of stuff for you but at .

the same time I was like, you need to understand what the other, what you know, what this command, what this library does. So if you need to fix something or change IT, um you understand .

how to go about IT. I've i've also never thanked google search, but I I regularly drop a thank .

you here and there to ChatGPT kit rose.

tell me, always, never know.

Are you worried about the existential threat that some people talk about with AI that it's going to it's going to achieve the singularity, become as smart as humans and then just start to write us off?

Or is that about replacing everybody who generates .

content ideas? I made IT, which is that you don't yeah all solus. I have ten thousand hundred thousand hours with the content on the internet. They could turn me into a bot easy or cool.

right? I mean, well, I mean, there's a moments when it's really close to the turing test and you're like, this is great and then something goes completely sideways. You're like, okay.

you blew that. But is that man? It's Better of the maximum isn't IT.

I think it's Better. This is thing i'm not worried about having the general social intelligence come up and dictate in kind of that of the colossus of i'm going to take care of you and i'm going to manage human society so just buckle under. I'll take .

care of the rest.

I think we are had A I mean, you know it's it's not an understanding ment to say that society is at a change point, inflection point that's not all that different than the industry evolution.

You you think it's epic a deal?

yes. I have a number friends that work in the industry, whether they do visual effects, whether they're writers um for shows um they're very concerned about IT. And it's because they are producing work that a lot of a lot of these generative AI models are based on and they feel, whether rightly or wrongly, that one, they're not getting compensated too. This is a way for certain a uh uh certain company is certain of you know studios to say, hey, I will use your stuff once and then I will use geneva I to fill up the rest so it's not like it's going to replace them, but it's going to short change them if that make sense.

agree. It's certainly .

if .

you look up sorry, no, I was going to say when you look at you know can an entry level knowledge work information processing, the stuff they like, claims processing for insurance companies or you know basic level tax support. Um a lot of this you a lot of people I know who are pretty you know not particularly bullish ed on A I, but bullishness on giving the best customer experience or light.

Look, if we can train the ii to properly handle that first level of know customer check, right? Everybody on everybodys called into their isp. And like the first or second question is, what have you rebooted your motor? Have you rebooted your router? right? And there is no reason a lot of that life can be done by A I and not particularly potently.

Um IT says that starts getting more and more advanced because I do level two or level tree tech support. How much programing is IT does? Can we trust its programing? How do we create an AI that affords security if you are doing work where your product will end up in in three letters, agencies and united states military in place, there is a huge number of questions.

And Rogers, absolutely right. It's like the beginning of the industrial revolution. You know, at some level that was like we're going to make more money because we're going to weave cloth faster or make shoes faster or make steel faster or make whatever faster, you know, and you're fast four or one hundred and fifty years and there's a lot of unintended consequences, I think for some people. What those unintended consequences are is kind of like, you know, is that nightmare fuel is that whatever will figure out as we go along and looking at the energy to .

insult for a lot of .

the AI system .

n they're at microsoft is work .

in the three my grit.

it's not the reactor that it's well.

another one that broke. It's good as other one yeah the good one.

But I think I think you know, again, there's a confluence of things. We have a demographic at least in the and developed the kind of you have a demographic brunch um but even in emerging economies, whether it's in america, you're looking at any stage. People are getting older. They're few Young people.

And so a lot of the the the naca labor force that used to be an abundant supply to do all that stuff that made IT so cheap to have your sneakers made at like fifty cents you know a pair you know on some factory and then seventy four hundred bucks is IT there anymore. And I think can I see AI is sort of a bridge um for a lot of that work. And it's again where in that frothy period, where is really hard to determine how that plays out.

What will will be impacted is the call centers right the call centres right right now or either offshore uh to in the earth, the Philippines, uh, whether it's you know just websites where you used to have like just a bunch of articles just are written by AI to fill out a web page to get clicks. I think I think IT is a very I can I can see a lot of the concern. I don't think it's I don't think it's as negative as people think that will be, but IT will require a reevaluation of how our education system prepares people for a labour market that is fifty, for an understanding of the labor market that's fifty years old.

Part of the problem is that is so unknown, right? We don't know exactly what's going to happen. We're living in I mean, california are trying to pass an AI regulation law, which the government video last week and in where is kind of glad I video IT because I think it's too soon.

We don't know what A I safety is. We don't know what a capable love that. We don't know they'll be a singularity. Maybe it's just going to be a kind of a crappy writing tutor for the rest of our lives. And IT seems sensible to kind of wait and see and watch what happens right before we make any decisions about are regulated.

I mean, one of the the truth isms that has existed, at least in western society, is that a university education A A guaranteed you not maybe a great income, but a decent income, right? You could go through four years, whether it's a batch, err, masters, well, maybe not a mater PHD. You would be able, you would able to to have an expectation of, I can get into the corporate world.

I can make example, t dollars. I want to be, I won't be, you know, super rich, but I can get by. I can have kids.

I can do all that. That's all changed, right? Like having a four year degree no longer kind of guarantee you a certain standard of living. And I think for so long, what we can sider to be White color, more educated kind of professions, that we kind of turned our nosis down into trade, whether it's carpenter, re, plumbing.

electrical and all that stuff to play jobs.

those are their jobs. My page generation, what my uncle does, right? I'm gonna be a White collar work.

able for house.

I don't know. My wife and I ve talked about that. I have already decided that i'm going to leave in my house. This house I have right time to leave IT to.

I'm also but when you're lucky, that's generation .

on wealth .

doesn't feel like I am sure .

but I I am very, very well there are of of how yeah there there's people that don't get that.

And when the boomers finally shuffle off their moral coil, we're going to have a demographic deficit, right? Because they are such a huge e chunk of the population, not just in terms of labor, but of consumption, right? Those are the people are still buy things, whether whether it's a parol vacations or or food or groceries, they're spending without them in the economy. A lot of things start to change. In fact, you can kind of see how that plays out when you look at countries like japan that have a very advanced .

aging economy with a problem.

I mean, you know this, once your kids are at the house, you're spending totally changes. You don't buy the same things. You tend to spend less.

And I think A I is coming at a point where all these things are coming at once and people are like, what am I going to do? My kids will not have the same auto acy might have Better ones. They might have worse than too early to tell. But it's it's it's IT is something that I think keeps policymakers as well as just the regular folks a little, a little, a little concerned.

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We stream on discord for our club twit members, of course youtube with we have for many years um we also on twitch that t youtube that com slash to IT twitched our TV slash to IT. We're on facebook linked in x start common kick there you go, seven different ways you can watch. And i'm seeing a very active jt.

None of those places is really great to see everybody in there. Thank you for being here for one thousands episode when we first started doing this show was audio only and and I don't know if you remember, but we were like on radio we get some band with from we ve got some bandwidth here, a cup of band with there, cobo, IT all together. And IT was just a crazy thing.

And I had no idea how we were going to get, as the numbers started going up, how we could get this out to people I thought he's put on a website. No, I didn't work that way. I always laugh.

Yeah I can say I remember somebody was like, you know, bang with cost nothing and I just had this bitter laugh in a meeting and they're like, what's your damage? And i'm like, I remember redoing all of the rendering and all of the output for del TV. And I reduced our band with costs by like ten grand in a single, by shrinking the while.

by shrinking .

everything down. Somebody like, wait, what i'm like trying to explain, you know the early days of content, you know, data networks and everything worked. That's ridiculous. And like, well, yeah, you used to pay a lot of money. No, you told it's gotten much.

he. And we look with all those seven places are streaming. It's basically free for us.

We don't have to pay for that. That's only a fraction of the people who end up downloading the show. But I think it's still nice.

I think it's important you always did this to offer a live version, if you can because that's what you do, Roger, with DNS. Because live is more interactive. People can talk back to you. You can have a conversation.

It's more it's more interactive. But that also what I found is that gives a chance for the community to talk among themselves in a way that they Normally couldn't if IT was just a download and they .

that's what's happening. The chains yeah that's really cool. Isn't IT they know each other now many of them have known each other for years and have chatted together for years. It's really it's amazing.

And in its again, and I was impressed because there is a quality of conversation, I think that you would be missing out on if IT wasn't live, if you didn't have that option. Even if it's a even if it's a small subset of the entire viewing or or a listening audience, it's still engaging and IT allows people who maybe haven't been in a haven't seen a live show but say, hey, i've heard dead guy may comment three times. I want to be on IT I want to go live so I can talk not just with you know a Sarah tom uh, during the show, but also talk to the other members .

of built is a very social relationship between your audience and you, right?

Well, IT turns that paris social instead of like, oh, I, I, I look at look at you from a distance to a more by directional conversion, which I think is what you kind of what we .

always experiences that, right? Patric, we'd go out to those signings. I see people all the time say, I saw you and Patrick tom's river or I said, you know, little time we are in the cou sa parking lot.

And and IT was a long line. We've been signing, signing and the radical company came in. They took the table in .

the tent .

and we still we're signing and site and signing. They actually took the thing down because you're only rented for three hours or whatever. Those are really made experiences because I was, even though I was a brief encounter, IT was like meeting people you knew .

I would know I was, absolutely was. I think he was Harry who SAT me down when I first started. I don't just remember her only days.

Yeah your followers like, look, you don't understand yet. Like you know, people are going to lop this intense relationship with you and you just know they're they're going to watch you over dinner. You're going to be in their living room.

They're going to see more than they see their closest friends. They're going to watch in bed. They are going to watch you god helpme in the toilet now was just like I was.

I have really helped my anxiety.

but I was, I was really amazing because, you know, right, for websites or or or magazines never had that kind of impact on the audience. So yeah, was that first time we went to send Lewis is kind of like, wow, what has happened?

There are people here. I member, the very first thing we did, the tech TV sales team, was going to lost vegas, uh, just a kind of promoters with the cable company there. And kate, I found out, and kate said, well, why can we go and they said, you want to go? They said, yeah, we'd like to. We'd like to go.

And I think he was in a compusa and remember getting out of the car in the parking lot, I member kate grabbing my ARM, her nails dug in to my arms he said there are people here there and there were and IT was one hundred some degrees um can Marcus can from can Marcus and me he did he kept the flying chapstick to my lips. He was going around. He looked like gracy grey gin.

There was so hot I think he was trying to take care of us but he was so little IT was a little strange Patrick going to place up then this will be a blast from the past to understand this. You have remember that this is around one thousand and ninety nine, and dell computers had a very successful campaign with that stoner guys at tude. You're get adell.

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No mr. And mrs. report. It's me, Martin. I miss Martin sergeant. He was some mouse. He he still around out of my saying as I like, he's still around, but he is he's a great fellow and a very funny comic.

He's very good writer because yeah, I used I used to haven't do copyright work for me.

He worked to one of the big agencies and said.

yeah, but what's cool? Like I saw him. He's really good at writing software more common, that's on the day, and she's really good at IT. And then he started like writing serious stuff that would like pull out heart strings about with the proposition I was doing. And you just struck me how good a writer is. And actually, since we are just talking about IT, I mean, IT speaks to went Patrick is even saying and Roger was talking a little bit about, is that the personality that you can pull out a good copywriting that it's going to be a while, it'll get there, but it's gone to be a while before you can really get that kind of prose from from from a season writer.

I and I think you know tom merits been saying this for a while, is that the future of A I will be kind of narrow cast to train on your specific data. So David, you would have a train on your writing style so that particular air will be like David, David, chat preger or whatever GPT.

Do you think you will be able to impersonate David effectively?

I think you will. In this, I think you will do enough his voice, that you could do a lot of the boiler plate emails.

I would read john cy to orc, another early, a member of our little club here. And you could hear his voice when you read his column. You here and go, and you can really hear IT.

That was when I first realized that that a good columns, especially columnist, they don't let reporters have voice, but a good columnist, you can hear their voice as you're reading their their text. But that seems like a very hard thing for an A I to do. I think we're good moment.

So I think we read .

a good moment where they're still bit of the uncanny valley where you can look at a photograph or you can at text almost tell it's still A I. But that is starting to blur.

and that's what I worry about when we take well.

IT will be a while though, I think and I totally see a market though for being able to train these uh, systems on your own personal data, especially going forward.

You think about just the market alone for especially as people have recorded themselves more now so than at any time in history, you could transform that into like almost like a living thing of someone who's passed and to be able to experience grama or grandpa twenty years from now with all the content theyve ever produced. And there is a certain level of creepiness to that. But I think there's also a desire for a lot of people. And the other aspect of I too is just simply as someone to talk to uh, for mental health. H there is quite a bit that can be done in that aspect to where people might be more comfortable talking to the computer rather than taking that first step towards IT in to a professional's office.

Well, let me talk about mental health a little bit, because that's another thing that has been coming up a lot in the last few years, is this notion that the internet and social media in particular, is bad for mental health and that we, some have to protect our kids from social media. David praga, you're onna. Keep your two year old off of tiktok. Er, whatever is, I guess.

ten years from now, she's too Young for me to too much. Well.

you gonna to .

face this mean to the point where, you know, the main enticement of using a screen eman, which was just a lean back experience, would be to destruct me. So I do to deal .

with you ever give the ipad and my.

the only time we do that is when we're putting .

your fingernails. That's a good place for me.

Yeah, it's something to think about. Know what? Interesting as if you look at what social media is done for the adolescence on instagram and a few other networks, is is that I must feel like, three, the action has been in a week, day in a glass, have full kind of way faster than I w'd thought. It's taken less than a generation, well under a generation, for the alarm bells to sound off. The fixes in there is starting to get there. So i'm kindly, cautiously optimistic that by the time you know my daughter is six and seven and eight, which is still you know four and five and six years from now um that maybe the infrastructure we put in place to have a Better interest stinting of how to how to Foster a growing brain and how to have positive social interaction skills develop because there's a gap of a couple of years or more where we do have issues with that. And maybe i'm lucky that my daughter Young enough that maybe we will be able to figure that out little with Better eick.

What did you do with your kids?

Well, I mean, we too are certainly we we did the same thing we talked about doing before I had case, which was know the computers public. We didn't let them use ipad in the room. We monitor their consumption. You know something .

that is a phone. It's very hard to keep an eye IT .

isn't yes and no. I mean, he was going to say i've been lucky that shame, as is kind of genie or gently pha, in the sense that he just really is interested a lot of the social media and it's it's been anything to wide sort of early jensie versus late and sea, where there's as you get Younger, they sort of look at social media as being this kind of incredible waste of time if you're not deeply enmeshed with IT.

So you know IT, it's been very curious to watch that because shame is looks at you know IT doesn't matter, it's tiktok or instagram or or you know any other number of other places where he is like this is where people go to prove how stupid they are in public. Uh, you know, he has a particularly fantastic going off on the whole, like people tied, you know, the little tight things. And I know IT was, I don't know, I i've been lucky that way. I'm hoping for praise, gar, that he does not to deal that at all that they have mutated IT down to the point where it's not even serving people care about because, you know, especially when you're raising daughters, it's kind like O G was .

IT was kind of interesting where sweden recently past new guidelines suggesting that parents not expose any child under three years old to a screen period. And then from that point forward, IT was like.

and who he used, they had to light.

light IT books me when the government, though, tells parents how .

to raise their kids.

I know a guy makes sense, but the it's ultimately it's the parents job.

This is, this is where my kids are. They both have fire tablets that I I put google play on, but I I limit to what they access. And i'm also very judicious about making sure they're not on social media.

The the only close enough social media outside of maybe a youtube shorts is row blocks. But no blocks is like the one place where they can actually talk to their friends. I mind bit IT is IT is differently.

and I quite a high scum ability.

This is the thing. You know, one of the things that my wife and and I do is to kind of make sure they understand what they see when I I watch what they watch and I go through and I explain, like that guy doing that, you probably either heard himself very bad. Or that or in some cases, that was totally, you know, fake. It's one of the things I have to explain, like I don't leave IT up.

It's there. It's probably good, I would imagine, to sit with the kid and go through some of these. And okay, do you think that was real? IT wasn't real. Those people were acting, in fact, to teach the media literacy, in effect, right?

We started that when the boys were basically egos. So, I mean, you know, shame as we started identifying advertising for shame us too much from the point he was capable of forming sentences.

They want you to buy that serial shames yeah, dad.

for you I mean, you when you talk about the guidelines of the american academy pediatrics are like basically outside of video chatting. They're like, you know, keep your kids off the screens from eighteen month and Younger. Uh, you know between one thousand hundred and twenty four, you can start introducing high quality media, uh, you know small amounts, you know don't have an ipad and walk away. I mean, there's also been interesting like you know there's been a couple cases you know where i've seen you know James at one point you know snuck away with an ipad coming back. I realized you been on youtube product four hours and think some of the holes that people end up on youtube weird mixture of mind boggling and terrifying .

we're just like, yeah.

I think it's very important to understand that all that doesn't happen in a vacuum, right? Social media isn't this one thing that will either .

corrupt or or or or .

or liberate your child from whatever you notions they have about life. And I think, you know, as with anything else, there just needs to be consistent, active parental engagement with everything. Because what happens on social media doesn't exist constantly for their kids. Because when they go to school, these when my kids go to school, they talk about these things where appears right. And you, my daughter console, asked me question like, so one so says, this is gonna en all going to get wash in the flood happens and I told there's like, no, that's what we have storm rage you called to create that that takes .

the water away like .

the moment and it's constant know you constantly need to I mean, people been saying this since TV, right? TV is gna watch .

your brain before we they said, jeff jarvis h is one of our hosts on this weekend google as written books about this they said IT about novels they said people, they said IT about pretty much every form of media people are gone to read novel, and they're going to .

lose your ability to imagine. They said this about comic books. And in the whole s are in a way up to the woods. These packs of comics with all sorts of weird and creepy things, they're going to get weird ideas there, maybe commit a felony or worse.

They're just corrupted right here, river city, that's just with the tea.

I mean, you know the old things like the old crip keeper comics where there four, there's crime.

and that's why they created the comic book code, right? Because you afraid of kids becoming demented.

And movies and movies, like there was a thing where, you know, people who were abroad and behavior were punish ed ed at the end of the movie to show that you could not get away with IT that justice would happen in the .

and so I have to lose, but I think in most cases were smarter than that.

aren't we? I think what worries people is the scale, right? You your kids can exit. My kids can access the abp a lot quicker and it's .

and I adding to that and and foreign governments trying to subvert well, and this is why .

you constantly have a conversation with your children, right? You don't just say, see IT at the end of the week, you know, after you've maturation and soaked and marinated in all the social immediate also encourage other. One of the things my daughter really enjoys is watching youtube short, where people draw because he draws along.

There's stuff like that. Yeah, there are so many youtube channels that are a Better education in school. You know if if you're started once in a more about storm drains, I guarantee you there is a storm drain channel.

Youtube really swear your stories for a while, going to go down the .

storm during rabbit all. And then you get I .

think what's overwhelming for parents is there's just so many avenues for this stuff to come through.

And it's because it's it's all new stuff that we didn't grow up with, right?

yeah. And we grow up in TV and we grew up through the threshold ld of the invention of social media.

right? So we were already a question for all of us, did we? So this has come up a lot lately with A I regulation.

In fact, that happened on wednesday. We had a guy on, he said, you know what? We didn't regulate social media when I started.

We should have. We made a mistake. We've learned now that we made a mistake that social media is delicate ious to your mental health.

Let's do. Let's not make the same mistake what they are. That is what people are saying.

Now I think, I think what what is most damaging about social media is that the book of humanity has access to IT.

And what i've learned the best thing about IT.

So this is the thing, I, I was super big into the family. Patrick knows I used to go to come a kind of rear .

whenever we needed to know the name of a military vehicle or a military plane. We would say, Roger, what is that? And he would say, he would know.

But those communities were really supportive, strong, but they're also very small as more of a broader scope of humanity enter them. You got a lot of the same issues that you have. You have a broader ter society.

You have bullying. You have people making objective reMarks about people the way they look, their appearance, their religious affiliation. There are ethnic, racial background.

All the things that people try to get away from mainstream society seeps back in. And I think social media is created a past. The point where he was just a select few of people were super into IT. Now to everyone and everyone's voice, opinion or whatever is kind of given the same level of of weight. And I think I love that has to do with where we are culturally on how to filter that. Because when I was what when we were going up in watching TV, we already had all the kind of rules about, don't believe everything you see on TV, some of that, a special things out of that, someone just trying to sell your stuff you know, IT isn't real tall, fake, right? What social media are still in that phase of like filtering our people, but because many more people with immediate and uh quick access to IT, they can indulge a the emotive part of their brain rather than the rational part .

of their and there's also, I mean, you you're not really dodging here is is so much as social media is beltran and algorithm. The algorithm is engineer to generate traffic IT doesn't care is a good traffic or bad traffic, just wants more traffic to run more ads against. And that's where things get really, really weird. I mean, who can remember the last time I saw, you know who there's five people in this group who here has actually seen something they wanted to see in their facebook feed, actually pop up in their facebook .

and and I had been using IT since. You're totally right, patch, you're totally right. Same with T, V, though. There was a reason why why, uh, reality T V took a boom in there earlier to mid two thousands because that was not only inexpensive.

but people would watch IT. Was grath's .

ics driven in the sense that is Better? If was real housewives, new jor, orange county.

my back loop is tiger. You had to wait for the ratings to come out, you to make sure now .

it's instant, right? Like the deluge is so much quicker, right? You can get smacked up ahead quicker with click bait then you could .

before you wouldn't want to watch tiktok without an algorithm. I promise you, I think it's .

help to realize that's what they're doing and that's how that system works to be able to see that and to have a healthy scepticism along with a well rounded education is an ideal all of us have had. And if that is what makes us people like us, to a little bit different from, maybe a lot of people just haven't had .

the similar opportunities well. And also, a lot of people engage with social media, often due times in an emotional state, whether or might not be in the best of mine, right, whether it's .

don't drink type.

So back back in my health, back in, back in my high school health class, we had to watch A, A, A video of a film, not a video, but a film made in the late sixties by, uh, that showcase a reference who had a drinking problem. And he kindly describe IT in a very non religious way of what was happening. And the whole thing was that alcohol removed the rational part of your decision making, just leaving your emotional, uh, component take over. And I think when people engage with social media and they are maybe emotionally vulnerable or they might be like they're looking for comfort, they are seeking certain things to help them.

You know, I see fan do ads one after the other on football games. I think of all the people who are addicted to gambling. And now you can bet, like every three seconds you can place another. Yeah, it's terrifying the american way, though.

I think it's can alcohol if snake rett could still be advertised on the, they would yeah .

and we would be smoking the like chimneys. I take a little break because I got to to advertise something Better than cigarettes. Thousand episode I remember now why I love you guys so much and love getting together with you guys.

My old friends from tech TV who helped us start this, we can tech a thousand shows ago. That is a long, long, frequent time. Isn't twenty years. How many these .

episodes were you not on, you think?

H almost all of them.

No, no, I know that. Like, you know maybe six.

no more than that. Probably sixty year, let's say sixty year. So one hundred and twenty. So I play on that.

Get a good well.

yeah you know this is one show I can't started for me to miss. But when I go on vacation, we have good people who come in and and fill in for us and that's nice. But you know i'm getting close to retirement and be honest with you guys, I don't know how much how much longer I can do this. You ever think none of you you're all twenty years Younger than me. You got at least you got a long way to go.

I just Younger.

We don't really expect to retire. We don't expect to retire.

Remember, there is a whole thing. I don't expect those security to be around when you need IT like when you reach sixty. Let i'll be fifty this year. I'll be lucky to see any of the money my parents got from those are security.

That's true. That's true, you guys, you're paying in my social security. So I just want to thank you very much.

Believe me, I am very well aware.

All right, i'll take a break. We'll come back with lots more with a wonderful group of people. I hope you're enjoying this trip down memory lane, and it's fun to get know a perspective from people in covering tech for twenty thirty years and what's going on the day too.

I think that's very interesting. And rubber hariri and I I think you're saying you might have blackouts. Your lights are flickering.

They have a few times today and .

is really hot in the the the area unusually. And when .

peak energy usage t spend over one hundred degrees for the last.

and I have five thousand watts of lights on right now is my fault.

I have doors, clothes. I think the aac is running. I have fans this.

My wife just came up and said, I don't think the c is work in the house. That I have something to do with all these.

I one of the things I learned after moving down that a is you precooked your house in the morning when it's cold enough for that, the texas trick.

you open up all the windows and doors, get the cooler and you see up.

I'm also in a rental with very poor installation. I've come to .

discover good on the west .

side of the house if if .

you need IT if you hit that point the lights go out we'll just say, okay, well, like a gman that was Robert hern. I do appreciate.

I don't sweat IT. I don't want you think i'm just pull in a bluggy hair.

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We thank you so much for their support of this week in tank, episode one thousand. And we brought together some of the old timers from the original, the very first episode, actually, episode zero and one, Patrick norton, Robert heron, David rigger, and of course, Roger chan Rogerio. You ever get one of they get these medical lasses.

You ever try these at all? Anybody use these? I'm going to take your picture right now like that.

See that little light. You'd never know. I'm taking your picture. Have you tried to? Anybody do they .

look to your phone for .

the processing? Yes, some of IT, and they are very good sound in the temple pieces. They just did an update, which means I can, I can look at, I press stuff, and I can just say, hey, meta, what am I looking at right now? And IT will say, in fact, IT does.

He says, you're looking at at us, I mean, thinking out to with various electronic devices, cables and equipment, there is also a person visible on the Green, a workspace with various cables and electronic devices and equipment. There's also a person on the scare in front of you. That's what I just told me.

Now these are getting Better and Better. Some students figured out a way to put face recognition technology on these, and that's a little scary. This is a service called PMI is a face recognition technology.

And these harvard students were able to put pm. s. On their metal meta glasses. And well, let's face IT mac on some poor woman on a subway by pulling up her docks. That is a scary, scary thought.

This is something google and others decided not to do for the long, you know. And but if you can get around that with a meta glasses just a matter of time. Are you guys worried about this kind of use of AI face recognition and things like that?

Never trust anyone wearing glasses.

That's h great. great. What I need .

to know.

glass mean. I mean, this is the thing. If you're in a public area, especially around something that tends to have high audience.

you're probably already on Cameron.

You are ready on Cameron. And they do views software, maybe not A I, but they use pattern recognition to to .

I feel bad for your kids again and feeling terrible for you except your robot. And I feel bad for your kids, but I feel, I feel bad for your kids kids because they are grown up in a world where everything is observed and recorded, right? There's nothing that's not on camera.

This also goes back to just having that healthy skepticism of when, especially with interactions with strangers and like, look, maybe they are using a tool like that. Maybe they do know things about you and there and you're being approach for some reason that seems like a rare event. IT doesn't seem like something want to get up to walk around being afraid of twenty four, seven, but some people might and h depending especially if if you're just in a position where you you have information somebody wants or somebody who's trying to hit on you for some various purpose.

But I mean, this is the thing that already happens with people on their cell phones, right? Where do you fake all these tiktok videos of people getting IT into a punch out at what the wolf us is? Two A M in the morning? No, they don't need glasses to do that.

And I think one of the things as we have as a society, as a culture, sort of set up the barriers of of of what's considered appropriate and inappropriate for the technology. Worst I worst against stolen that turn phase in the same way that we've had for other uh, technologies, right? Recording someone without their prior knowledge is a big no. No, it's .

interesting because jone discard is mentioning this nowadays. If you're hiring people, you're just gone to have to assume that there are pictures of them drunk on facebook, right? I mean.

it's just it's no longer you don't have to call me some cases in some cases yeah I mean, some cases quite good.

Like hiring somebody who has a, well.

a drunk picture is one thing. Any of a number of unfortunate behaviors. Something yeah yeah. You know.

somebody wants to love. You're wearing a killed right now. petroc.

I am not wearing a kill right now.

Have you warned to killed since the screens?

Absolutely, yes. But you .

know what you are.

So we did an episode. Didn't we do an episode where we all were killed.

everyone working that was, that was going away, present from a certain VP of content, who as is going away present told us to put everyone in kills as his fu to the company that uh, had bought at the time?

Wasn't David pope one of the the guest that .

it's really I don't think so.

I think I might be, i'm just gonna look, but I bet gets on .

youtube tonight .

tom hank's and ron Howard bring a polo .

thirteen.

This is not this, the logo, your desktop, and it's actually right here on the screen. Savers, if you scrolled down, this is not the killed episode. Let me see if I there's there's a lot of quilts, but there is one maximum .

Kitty ge episode.

Maximum Kitty ge is out. All the only thing I remember of from that episode is you can't spin in the kill because IT goes right .

up like that.

You can.

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all the basically all of our producers and on air talent killed .

and the kills yeah yeah I know. Ah, here, IT is the maximum kill tage episode coming up tonight. Answer the future with the author of exit tragedy. That's again, martir. Google, I think, is wearing a kill to create a visual graph of result.

And should a man be allowed to wear a cute on national television life for the tev studios? I'm going to skip this part because we've revolting this. Here we are. There's Kevin in a killed magna kill check the make the kill.

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He's got pants deported.

And reason I got say the reason we're doing this is Better because you know, is known for his killed and and stop warm. And we got lots of letters where there was a whole campaign that could get that camera off the ground. I am not working.

Get back. There was a whole campaign. Now I know, like girls cross the like.

There was a whole, I do believe later on, I spin, we heard, and I think they might have caught a little bit of something. Yes, I went out the door there. I'll leave. That is an exercise for the rest of you can .

filter links for for making money on selling kills.

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of course not. They didn't have IT of money to buy ads.

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on the line. Well, you see what he could do, get some sales.

don't really start until wirecutters, right? I mean, you could argue that wirecutters wir cutter success with affiliate sales is what made google search so horrendous .

in the last you talking about. When you click that link, they get a person .

of the sale Price before, before Jones were popular, we had these like tiny little thirty dollar remote control helicopters. And we didn't episode dignity, where we are trying to land them on the top of a bear cam and I created amazon, a pilot and link. And I think we sold, like twenty thousand and little helicopters .

and all we cow.

Yes, I mean thirteen dollars. I think we got like, you know, a dollar each, a dollar times twenty books. There you go.

I think bad cover .

or IT yeah .

going back to what you said .

about the AI facial recognition, I mean, I kind like the fact that in general, in the big city that C, C, T, V covers most square blocks. So if something bad happens is generally going to be available camera. But I think on the facial recognition, it's it's really scared.

But the cat is unfortunately out of the bag. Those database persist and you're not going going to hide them. Yeah and and it's just that you're going to have you're not as anonymous this you do. You're going as you used to be able to be and that.

by the way, i'm looking on wikipedia and IT, turns out we did of the screen savers in san franzka one thousand and three hundred seventy five episodes, Patrick. So this one thousand twit, no big at all.

But that was five days a week.

That's true. And overall, one thousand four hundred and eighty three episodes. They only did one hundred and seven in the los Angeles. But then they changed the name to attack of the show.

So you were talk about Kevin parrot and interviews, brother, right? Yeah, you were talking about interviewing him and he and Gavin parsel, who is actually kind of my boss at g four for a hot minute. They have a show called A I for humans and is actually quite good.

They just go over. They go over everything with a little bit of a community bent. And I mean, i'll be honest if I if I just straw through their shown notes, I generally have .

a decent idea of what's going on to the indus. He was talking like they do have any I generated cohoes slash contributor to that show, which is sales. But he he often they often go over some of the new technologies in some of the new AI services for for creators.

And so it's definitely a double edge sort you know for some people yeah I no longer I will be able to make money doing this bit um but if you you're creator, you need some music and you want to in a certain like a show tune hit a studio right like I want to I want a theme song that sounds like chef but maybe not exactly like chef and IT will generate. You thrown your lyrics, you get something something pretty good you ever did. There's one there's one for june, the music which is but also .

when you listened to a lot of this stuff, I don't know who I don't know if it's someone coined the term, but I always hear people referencing IT that as bad as it'll ever to be. Like if you you use a tool and you are like they will Smith eating speakest.

the is terrible.

but if you look, but that is bad. If you look at someone trying to recreate that now, you can tell if it's a real video.

whilst me even see any or not. The only real question is will continue to get Better at the same rate or and that.

And that's where the power generation comes in, right? Because a lot of these A I models require a lot of computational power.

And sam and says, seven trillion dollars to build the next generation of chips and needed to make.

We talked about this on friday's d with mollie wood and he was talking about how, uh, at climate week in new york city, one of the big conversations that everyone was having was how big tech companies were kind of planning out power power stations, power generation to power data centers because the needs are just going to keep growing exponentially unless like A I doesn't generate, A I doesn't take off and it's a huge bon doggo, which just highly unlikely.

I notice that Kevin is doing the show on youtube is that if you are going to create a new screen, savers is you would probably do IT there, right? You wouldn't do .

IT on a television network more. I would be one. I I mean.

you can't really do a screen savers on youtube because youtube only wants a single subject per segment, right? IT hates sco over multiple things. The SOS a nightmare. Ask me how I know the sco from multiple subjects. Well, we remember, pat.

you're on that. We did the new Green savers on twit, but yes, didn't do very well.

I mean, it's IT is Better .

to make sure content that is focused on to one particular subject, terrible at this, that influences in country creators.

Yeah, yeah. I no. I mean, I I have friends who no longer do any long form common and content and its all shorts because they can generate the same amount of revenue for you know a two minute video that they came for fifteen .

and do people not want other cases stuff anymore.

said there's a toner long stuff we would .

feel seem to beginning longer.

I think. I mean, youtube, there's tones of thirty forty minutes is a whole thing. One of youtube where people talk for like three and a half hours straight on one subject.

I think that .

I think I mean, I think part of IT is a lot of the creators I followed no longer rely on their youtube channels as a prime source of revenue. They use IT. They use IT as a way to host their content, a way to grab my balls.

But they, they, they direct people to their patriot or whatever else that they're using to p make up a majority. You still need youtube because IT is a free seat and it's a free movie theater for people to go watch your content, but do not expect make the on youtube, but do not expect IT to be the kind of cash cow. IT was even five years ago, because that that boat is long since sail the way.

But IT is IT is an important aggregator of vibes. And from there you can direct, hey, support. You love our content. You see this, at least all the shows I watch, our channels I watch, love our contents, support us some patron point, you know, and they give out the address. So you know even if you have a ten percent conversion or on on that and you get like you know one hundred thousand views, that still a that's still a decent wet ten thousand people, that's still a decent chunk of of people that you convert you if there like a dollar a month subscribers uh to page our supporters on on patr that helps out but and if you can get them to you know raise awareness of your content to their friends and family, you know it's really just I mean, to hate this hate this word so much because it's all over used. But you kind of have the hustle to get to get that audience and as many places as you can.

But what you do, D T N S, what is the secret cotham stone? Very well with the D T S, obviously.

I mean, D T N S is, I mean, where we're on we're on twitch. We're on youtube, where we we have our patron on fees were on a we try to be in as many places that that makes sense for us and all .

the revenue that is from listen to support.

right? Well, I would say a majority of of of our our .

support events.

we we our patron level is clear that s we do do a test which which .

but that's free.

that that is the free here.

You know, somebody told me you're at the end. We do direct ad insertion as well. They're lipson and they said, that's the best reason to join the club because the inserted as are so awful.

I want to join the club to get the ad free version. That's not our intent, by the way. We're not trying to be nice, make IT off.

Well, the key is to make IT available to as many people who want to listen or watch.

I like of of having a free tier. I do I really think that's important.

And you know I mean, Patrick and I know this, china build an audiences like china, china juggle jela, right? You just going to come like it's going to run through your free.

I got a great insight from our producer, benedet, who is listening right now, who said, if you're going to start something today, you Better started somewhere. I can go viral somewhere where there is an algorithm that you can catch because that's the only tent exists because we were on tech TV, right? And we ve got promoted there, and we able to catch that wave a little bit.

My son, you know, you could make cooking videos s till the cows come home. But because tiktok picked up the videos and started promoting them, he was able to build an audience there. Then take that on an instagram and on and on.

If you're gone to start something today, you Better have IT out there are Better be an algorithm and IT Better promote you, right? Otherwise this there is no discovery. There's too many channels.

there's too many china, no, that there's been a one of the most fascinating things to watch over for the pandemic was how many people started a podcast, started to video, started doing take talk videos. And the amount of me know the there's been you know there's there's been the amount of advertising. There's basically the reason these websites have died and been brought up by holding companies is because banner ads died.

And the amount of money being investing in podcast is both. If you're not a very special interest podcast that has advertising interest, it's much thinner and it's spread much farther. There's less advertising being done.

It's being spread much Better. And yeah, you know beney do is right, right? You need something is going to multiple. You then you need to figure out how to get IT and then you need to figure out a way to monodist IT because .

you would never meet anybody of tiktok. I don't going to have .

in famous yeah that I mean, that's huge, right? But you're not gonna monitise. There is an but I means like it's not as bad as facebook where you know ninety percent of the revenue ad revenue that came into facebook state inside of faces, at least in the case of youtube, IT was like math revenue at revenue that came in a facebook state inside of facebook or youtube. I mean, but tiktok, there's never been a huge part of revenue.

I mean, the elephant in the room is this, the ad market is. Drastically changed in what IT was four, five years ago, propane mic. And know a lot of a lot of creators have realized that what worked five years ago does not work if you want to stay in business.

And so you cannot realize solely on a single channel, you can rely solid tiktok. k. You can't rely solely on youtube, short, can't rely solely on real.

You you have to be in as many places as you can because your audience is all in so many of those different places. I would be great, if you could of just kind of nil down to to the one platform everyone's on youtube that just do youtube, boney. But unfortunately, that's that's not the reality.

Let's take a little break when we come back and and ask you guys about your current tech situation. We have the originals the the guys were on episode zero and episodes one of this now one thousand episode show this week and check. It's great to see you all again.

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But I do that most thing because I just want to support them. We're talking to the the og, the original twitter Patrick norton robbert hair and David preggers Roger chain. So what's technology you guys excited about patrol? What are you excited about these days? Or do you do you even still have the same passion for technology you did back in the screen .

savers days? Yes, slash, it's different. Um you know i'm still blooming away. I one of that continues to blown me away is the quality of the cameras that are in phones and you know every couple of years and I like can get that much Better, something comes out. I'm just like, wow, you got that much Better.

And when you have kids, it's really nice to have a great camera always with you, right?

B, at it's, I take entirely too many photos of my kids.

They got the point, well, as my kids did, where they go dead. Stop, stop. no. And like some my pictures, after a certain age, they're awful because they are going on. No, no.

But most of the time I was pretty, most of the time is pretty cure. Occasionally i'll get that. But yeah yeah, watching like like low light performance on cameras that gives me really excited. The quality of audio gear for fundamentally no money is amazing. Know, I got make a hugely .

expensive studio with basically consumer and IT looks Better than the old studio stuff.

Did I think, rogan, I were talking like i've got a black magic ative mini right here yeah you know, i'm sitting there and not only is IT, you know, I be right because I was like five billion dollars build the tech TV studio. IT was like fifty thousand dollars in another fifty ground and cameras to build the deal TV studio, although IT was like a five thousand dollar box, right, was at the core of that.

What did you you know?

And the original try .

caster .

in beta, we help them diagnose the problems of the initial .

series of boards, which we do well once.

I mean, once they, once they got the B G A, I was B G A, basic sockets warn the chips weren't properly sotte red on the board. But once that was sort of IT was pretty reliable. But I laugh because if IT crash IT was like an eight minute reboot, is the windows eighty mini pro? Yeah, the eighty mini pro or the eighty many IT crashes a yank, the power out of the back, put that back in and reboots in like eighteen and seconds.

The try caster, I think, would have worked Better if they had not used a shuttle style PC case because those things get super hot. And yeah.

the later ones were massive being.

well, they they moved into the same market that grass editions and a few other video switchers.

I am blown away though, by what consumer level. I've got a roadster mixer that can do more than any mixer i've ever used. I've got the eight tem.

I have the mini extreme. So it's an eight camera. So which you're we're using zoom ISO for this and eat cam, I mean consumer grade software. And we're doing stuff if we can only dream about .

on tech TV, I mean, in many ways and I mean, in many ways, it's it's kind of like the way desta publishing in laser british kind made so much content.

Do you think so much content anybody can do IT?

I mean you the same time, all contents, not the same quality, right? I have seen some really well shot thirty five minute uh uh just know a great way to to kill a few hours and other ones that are just like unwatchful. But they used a lot of great equipment in june shots um because they spent money and then have to show you that they can soop through someone's house.

There is something to be said for talent, not that I have any, but there is something to be said for talent. The people who are really good at and are IT will work regardless of the quality of their gear. Gear does not. It's true with photography .

to atrix about the quality of the phone cameras. And I found I don't have an apple vision pro, but if my daughters doing something exceptionally interesting, like when he started walking SHE is walking on the beach and I shoot IT in spac video S I, because i'm afraid that maybe if I don't shooting spatial video.

I won't have IT in that kind of years. actually. Go, dad, you shut that two. D what's wrong with you? Dad.

yes, but, but, but and consciously not an owner of an apple vision pro. I'm impressed with IT and I think there's give me a place for some of that type of has a display stuff, but I I kind of feel feel like i'm going to get get in on like version three or four.

I've been the number one skeptic for IT because I, having owned every one of those VR head, sets up right up to that point, including buying a vision prom, returning IT. I don't think people want to strap a computer .

to their that's and that's the big kind of friction point, right? Do you want to wear something on your head? In a way, i'll be honest.

Even if, even if he was like strapping, you know, a downhill to your head, you still got to strap IT to your head. And there is a YSL kind of disconnect that people, this may not be into. People want the holiday from start track. If you want to walk into a and IT look like your semey valley or or you like, I bet Robert .

would agree with me. I think you have pretty good VR if you have a nice big screen. I have a seventy seventy, a samsung qd OLED with a great surround system.

I'm sitting six feet away from IT, so it's virtually emerged. It's not strapped to my face, but i'm immersed and i'm watching a great blue ray, uh, d DVD that's VR and it's damn fine. I think IT looks great and yet doesn't go with my face when I turn my head. But I don't want IT to I agree .

with the devices themselves not being the best in terms of foreign factors. That would be great if IT were something like contact lens as or eyecup.

Someday that'll happen, but that's way off.

But when we are when the show started, even going back a few years prior to that at tech TV, IT was forty two inch plasma displays. And today we have stuff like you are seventy seventy quando t OLED that is ten times brighter, has more realistic color, is a inner display and more energy efficient .

and doesn't burn in. Do you remember we buy and burnt, exported to inch classmates for for the study for hathorn, right? That was deception or more. Yeah, IT was ten thousand thousand, and he was burn in in the first six months, right? totally.

So that all changed quite a bit. Uh, home theater is now one of my specialty. So I focus lot on display systems and seeing where that's going in the next few years still excites me. I am still thrilled and going to tatches like society of information displays. Um and when seeing the people who are working on the next gentex that gets me going.

you know it's interesting though movies just don't work anymore because people have good theatre systems at home right?

There is something to be said though for dolby vision cinema or doby cinema period and I max ay system I went .

to see up in hyper and IMAX just because I wanted to but you know, that is spectacle. That's the problem. IT distracts from the actual content because it's a spectacle.

However, if the maybe the budget in your life doesn't can't afford the latest increase in home theatre are going to a dolby cinema theatre, though it's going to present you with state of the art twenty quarter million dollar laser projectors, amazing contrast and color performance that succeeds pretty much everything you can do in the home right now, in addition to just amazing audio. So is .

everybody here so good to movies?

I ve never been. No, I have been to once .

I say that, yeah, and more more of the own body on that.

The last I won him as well in the max.

the I went to just, I want to see that and actually I like to Better at home.

So and in fact, the last one I watch was got yellow, the king of the masters, because I wanted, I wanted, like the whole boom, boom with the noise. But after that I was like, I mean, to be honest, when you had kids, you can either wash the movie really early before everyone's awake, or you watch IT really late after everyone's asleep. And neither that's .

what vision pros good forward, by the way, the people I know who actually still use and like their vision show, they watch movies in bed at night so they don't wake up their spouse.

But they could have bought something that costs the order of magnitude less and had ninety eight percent of the same experience. I mean.

what more expensive .

devices that are doing? An impressive VR experiences, but with even larger things, you have to strap on your head.

And I think a good, a good movie or a good display is is VR. The music arouses your emotions, the pictures arouse, get your brain engaged. You are a good movie. You're immersion IT, aren't you?

yes. And unfortunately, the precious few movies that I ve come out that really in age me in that level of a very similar where you're like totally in rap most of the time I not like, I just fast forwards, like exposition, exposition, obvious thought point.

character watching the new George clinical brad pitt vehicle, no star vehicles.

I am so sick of star vehicles.

And an apple TV spent one hundred million dollars, and they were going to put this in the theatres, and they realized this is gonna be egg on our face when this bombs in the theater re, because so many movies right out bombing. No, it's not a bad movie, although. So listen, I started watching last night about an hour, and we went to bit. But that's the difference is we know we can watch the rest of IT tonight.

if you want to, to. But the same compelling reason people used to go to the movie. I wrote about this all back, going to the movie theatre with friends or after dinner with the data, whatever, is kind of like the same reason I used to go to the bowling. Ali, like on thursday nights with hole workers like that whole thing, like the the people's taste change.

It's not the same appeal as IT.

Was we to have one? I used.

I used to, I used to hit the before became A Y bus, a the bowling ally over on hate.

yeah. right.

King, yeah. And then like, after while people like I made a different stage of my life.

that was, he play loud rock music and they have flourescent .

pins all as much as you want for, like ten box.

I do want effective VR though, for experiences like with microsoft flight simulator that provides almost photo realistic quality. Note a and to be able just to move your head around rather than half to use a mouse to move.

And because you want .

to look out of people .

who like yourself to assume .

and they have a motor on your back in your seat in real life.

i'm not saying that doesn't work. We had I but stupidity bought the metal quest pro, the fourteen hundred, which they've since this this continue. But there's a game where you have a plane, you go up in elevator and you're in a building and there's a plane that's out over the street and you're hard to feed up and IT is damn hard to walk out that door over that plank over the street. I means like your body, thanks, you are about to to die.

E that's that's good. That means that part of your brain still works, right? If you were fearless and you did IT, you'd a great trap pi's artist.

But I love you. I mean.

there are certain attributes to the human psyche that exist for a reason, right? We're afraid of snakes. We're afraid of hates, and we're afraid of things that burn.

keeps us alive and keeps us alive. So what about you? David praga, what technology are you in love? Whether or have you lost your, your.

your this? Well, I was going to say, before we even started the show, I was going to say that I was, I spent a lot, a large part of my career. One, yes, is just a producer but also just as as a tech journal alist in a pundit. And I was about to say coming on here like I wonder how because I keep up with everything, but i'm not in the business of discourse around IT.

And so it's always going to give me a give myself a cavy on almost like a posture sydney of, and i'm going to be able to have worthwhile cutting edge commentary based on the things of recovery, although I can feel like, yes, because I ve just imbed in IT. And i'd say what, if anything, what I tried to keep up with with the most is just really AI trans and that's almost like just fear of fine behind. I want to make sure I know everything I can do to make me as product as possible. But it's also at times that makes you it's not I don't know, I am a friend again of all the AI tools and what what we can do. But you know the same time, I don't know if that keeps me up at night, but I just I want to make sure I have a clear understanding, everything possible.

Now i'm with you. In fact, I feel like AI could be, not necessarily will be, but could be the next huge revolution. And I don't want to miss IT at the same time, I think there's also a good chance that day I could be a complete slop and they will look back on this. And o yeah, we got sold another like cyp.

Don't keep talking about the a singular. I can tell that at least my i've thought is that I don't think we're going to get in any kind of sentence, but we still run the risk of a worrying, worrying about the paper clipper clip experiment.

You everything, but and that's and that's not .

because the robots wants to take over the world. It's like you programmed IT so well to be so good. I want to follow the rules and follow the rule. If the humans are getting in the way of making paper clips and eliminate that.

that's the existence al threat that me giving a nuclear weapons.

Roger ahead. And they're doubly gonna be jobs that spring out of general AI industries. One of them is fact checking A I to make sure it's not giving you word bogus information yeah um i've again i've said this before, I ve had a fact check a because sometimes IT sounds really good but you know what not factually correct.

Um the other one is that it's going to free up people to do other things. But and here's the huge but you're gonna have to go through this kind of turn where before I was people moving from off the farms of agriculture and the factories and then from factories and the offices and then offices at work at home. And there's a disconnect. And I think one of the things that needs to be addresses, how do you how do you make that transition less painful for people who might have been you know, i've been a copy either for forty years of my life. Now what am I going to?

What does your wife think about the future copy editing?

She's both amazed, but she's also like, some of this is garbage, right? Some of this, like these edits don't work.

Very few publications still have copy matters. I mean, well.

very few publications exist more in the ones that do.

They're all gone and my tech is gone. I'm more just folded its story.

But it's the there there's very few, you know, having watched, you know, like magazines. But one thing I want to do and a kid and want to write for magazines, i've loved magazines on entire life, but you know that industry.

what's a magazine?

Daddy OK, I don't even start with the brain wall. Daddy, old life before the internet work, when you make dinosaurs.

I want to read the atlantic online. I want to read the new republic online. I want to read these magazines online. They insist on sending you a paper copy, like because .

the infrastructures already there are probably trees.

I I will read this online.

I'm never going to be there. Maybe I suspect there maybe advertising sales. Energy to killing trees. In other cases, there's not right because and the other thing is like every organization is flinging every possible revenue generating idea against the wall in order to stay around, right.

right. But now we are .

yeah no, that's just the nature of right right now. But but the whole is you know where this huge transitional phase and but going back to what you know you rather or talking about, it's amazing what gram I can do. It's also really historical when grammarian is wrong or you know Rogers seen IT where I I remember like somebody puts something together and they asked me to read IT now is like, this is fantastic. It's tight, it's thoratec, the copy moves and it's one hundred percent factually wrong, you know.

But know if you think about humans are also often factually wrong, that would be expected as to be Better.

Well, I mean, in force, they have the .

entire internet to work for. H working from. I don't.

I do not. And I bet you guys do the same. I will not ask some unknown person on the street for directions somewhere, because I know half the time they are going to send me the wrong way.

I will ask .

an A I A difference between .

like using ways or google maps. It's like ways is great for certain things. Google maps is I need to get to this.

Yeah I just ah I just need to know where the address is relative to my location.

And nobody has a thomson guide in their back seat. They can flip through to find dress anymore.

Some of us still Carry paper maps rig.

I me this also .

mean like the ARM gaz tz like you know, gets IT tears. There's parts of the country where you know you can't get a and you can't get decent direction. Many, they AR enough of the of the reservation. You know there is no nobody. There's no one to ask. There's no cellphone in signal if you need to find something or if you need to get back to a highway, if you don't have a paper map, you're going to have a wonderful experience turning right over and over .

again until you find that's where the starting get slowly .

place if you're not cashing your raps before you go, before you get .

to rusting.

I know we all remember, and a type had to James kim, who did follow A, I don't know what is google maps or some other map of the road and lost his life. One of our elaborate.

I mean, I will say it's always good to have a passive backup, right? Papers, not onna, really put you out in terms of space. And when you need IT, you don't need batteries, right? You just need a source light.

You need to be able to maps in your car. Roger.

I used to Carry one for the data california, ever since my car got, uh tilford. I think the guy who look who took my my old my old time time GPS of also took the paper map. But maybe because I was in the same compartment where they were both stored, then they just grab the whole thing. What's this?

This looks interesting.

If you know what, when it's a smash grab, they just take everything and that this sort IT out later.

What technologies are you excited about?

Roger generated AI is one of them, but also referred equipment. I ever since ever since I found out that you can get like relatively you decent spect equipment that was like you like enterprise hardware or or or work with station hardware for like four hundred bucks. And the stoke has a ninety day warranty on IT. awesome. I got like I used deva furbish I got this twenty four in inch 4k month for like a hundred thousand bucks five six years ago ah I don't know there's something about a deal that I that doesn't .

go away for me as I get older had .

opened mean.

rob Robert, hairy, you've got to be excited about something going on video or maybe not. What is what technology excites you these days for me?

It's just getting my head and keeping up with the things that are most useful for me.

And you still have a passion for you think .

I do for technology in general, but especially for things that can improve the life or the quality of of a learning experience. Or um I even think of like my current phone service that I use, it's it's a google phone on a google phone service plan and it's assistant AI for call screening has a voice and occurrence to IT that is remarkably real and IT pulls most people that call me and don't have like the direct access and IT asks follow up questions and and IT doesn't fantastic job and lately for me I actually subscribe to ChatGPT now. Uh, that was just something I did in the last month after using the free service for quite a while.

And as a research tool IT actually IT IT automatically provides all the links to everywhere IT found that data allowing you and to alleviate some the concerns about where did this information come from and and can you double check IT? And I think for a lot of people, is that a good place to start? There's so much change going on in the world, but just for the learning capabilities and the ability to do your own research and like having somebody with the knowledge of wikipedia in your pocket that you can now talk to and have conversations with, there's a lot going on there.

Really amazing, right? We're going to take one more break, one last break, and I let you guys go appreciate you're sticking around for Roger. I mailed Roger, he says, is for all three hours I said, yeah, three years. It's not really no.

we're going to get any work. The next free bin podcast, he goes like five hours.

He must have bonds of steel or something.

And joe rog, and I look at these people, I go, how do they get people to listen to all five hours?

I know joe rogan. Joe rogan technique is this, you do do the long podcast, and you chop everything up into low bite sound bites. And then you released those separately.

We would be doing that lately.

Yeah yeah. Did I listen to podcast? I I listened to so many hours of podcast a week, and almost all of IT is at one point five where I listen to npr on the car occasion, like why are you talking? So we .

use that. People come to the studio and they say, you sound drunk and say with this because you listen one and a half, don't you? I said, yeah, anyway, let's take a little break and we have a final thought with our wonderful crew for a thousand episode and you know, I really oh thank you to all of you who listen the shows and have listen many of you do all one thousand episodes.

We couldn't do with that you. So thank you so much for for listening for all this time. I think we all feel very lucky able to do what we do.

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Also, I was a pa on your show call for help. That's where I got my start, Henry. Kids were brought me on and through through a friend, jeff neuron. He was the one to put in the good work for .

me and and these guys. I want to go to this picnic at saturday.

Yes, almost one hundred percent. Saturday, not sunday.

I will check this out if it's sunday.

I'm working. I live into six pm. Apparently they're going to be doing up we and hot dogs and in the area in golden gate park.

Nice.

I hope. Send you, send you a link.

Would you send me a link, please? Yeah, I would like, i'd like to give you a hug, Robert. It's bit a pleasure working with you for all these years.

I'd d love to do and call for help. That was so much fun. I did. I was so weird because they asked me. They said, well, before at first they weren't interested in me and then they realized, good lord, we're enough to fill twenty four hours with content and they said, leo, how long is your radio show? I said, three hours.

They said, do you think you could do two shows a day? I said that absolutely just a radio show, and so, but we had to distinguish the two because we are doing the screen savers with. Patrick and I wore shirts like this kind of crazy shirts.

And then I would put on a button down shirt in a sweater vest for call for help. The idea being, is two different people, is two different people, is conservative leo, and is crazy leo. But IT was so much fun getting to do those shows.

And I was funny because I know wonderful time in place. I know the zd TV people thought we're just going to do this until we get enough content and we're going to get rid of this clown. They thought internet tonight they thought that's gonna be the hit.

We ve got a comment. We writer is going to be a huge hit. And what do people want to see? They want to see me and Patrick answering questions.

Put olympics on a machine, Patrick, using a sled hammer. You will always be remembered for that sledge hammer. Patrick.

always you guys anchor a bunch of wonderful content, reasonable.

And i'll never forget, Patrick, the first time you appeared, IT was on call for help. You were terrified. The first time I .

was recorded was discussing windows ninety eight. Before, like a spring comdex or something, I was physically shaking.

You were, I could see you.

Leaf was terrifying. The only thing, like, the only thing less natural than making television is dating.

It's about as bad, isn't IT, you know? But you know, you got very as hard that's comfortable and and you got beloved I must say such a nice thing to see you all my oh my love to your family. Do you still love the rv in the backyard.

not the backyard, but we still love .

the rv so you could take off at any time.

Me, if I wanted to be divorce.

sure. Well, blessings to you both. And it's great to see you until your beautiful children. Same to you, David bigger, two year old tiger.

I'm so happy if I thought .

you've got married. A beautiful woman. She's norwegian.

she's no region, she's a document film maker and but she's got entrepreneurship ration. She's going to start build a community around tin fish and do the importing of of seafood and other.

And rage you come up to peuvent. We get a seafood restaurant called the shocker y and they call IT conserve and it's td sea and they serve IT with like little crackers and stuff and it's like thirty dollars. And it's incredible and it's not it's norway. It's incredible that this is a whole menu item.

其实 yeah， he's gna start this start to build a community around distributing content about sustainability, about the food itself, about how to get where to get in, and then in my segway, into consumer package guys. But depends on how well we build. The community can do IT all out in the opens, like building your start up or building your your company in in the public realm, public domain.

I'll see in the grocery skirt because my son has convinced me to be his bacheler, his chief investor in his pickle company. And so I will see you up, will probably be rain next to the tin fish. I will see you in the grocery store.

David, it's great to see you. What's what's your daughter's name? yeah. What's your .

joy's name? Emilia with the e no. Is a mila with the e yeah, yeah.

Well, give a melia big smooch. And thank you for letting us have daddy for .

a couple hours. I really IT. I was chah.

It's nice to see you. Rogers shank same. I'm so you guys are doing so great to date. D tms, you and Sarah and tom and Molly and the whole gang i'm really proud of you had just doing great work, and i'm glad to see a gainfully employed with an actual family. I would never thought IT.

Yes, my family is also very, very problem.

I love easier, Roger. And you know what? The name of this shows going to be your drunk uncle coach.

So you get .

the you get the name.

the show that sounds like, you know what? I think that's a good idea.

Love you, Roger. It's great to see you. Of course, you started to call for help as well.

I started as an intern for both shows. I did screen series in a call for help and then a red rick o hired me after the summer of one thousand nine ninety eight and I became the official al pa. For both shows.

Nice David, how did you? You are a producer. I Roger .

got promoted and um so I decided I went to work. proceed. T. V.

I try to make a mistake, but I sent a letter to most of the executive saying, here's I am. Here's what I can do. Here's what I love about the network.

And if you don't hire me, you'll be missing out on these skill sets that I, this skill set that I have, and for some reason that they worked. Ironically, just a jim later back thought I was good, and he sent him to can artis. And then I flow out, did a couple interviews and started on november thirty, one thousand nine hundred ninety nine.

So wow, there was, there was a wear time. I got interviewed by Lucia first for the web team. But SHE was very skeptical of me.

But kate mark is SAT right across her said, you want to work for me is said, sure, I did a three months interns stint and then a split opened up. And when I can you feel the Price? sure.

Did he ask you to keeps the chapstick handy?

Now all I remember most of king was at the time, he was very fond of that little old mail, puck and apple juice in the morning.

That's when, by the way, I knew the tech TV was gonna sold is when they stopped putting up meal in the, in the snack room.

I lived on that for two months, and I looked in soup, the low, yeah.

And they and they said for is some weird cost cutting and they said, no more of meal for you. I thought this is not good. They're n, they're trying to turn a profit. They are trying to convince somebody to buy him.

I I remember when paul Allen was going through the office and we were doing, and we used to do a geek library, and IT was a movie about revenger. Nor, no, what was that? I was A T. I was a movie that he was in, and I was going through clips .

of the movie that we revenge.

Okay, IT was that? yeah. And I was looking through clips for the show to run on the geek library. I been on the screen savers when he, paul Allen, walks by. And I, for some reason, didn't know what to say .

to him other than nice beard.

And yeah, and I spared you, said beard, nice beard. Here's why I was looking at him on the screen. He was watching me watch tim and I looked at that and he had this huge bird.

I looked when he had IT and my nice beard. I thought I was funny, but I also, I didn't know what else to say. And he did one of those handshakes.

No disrespect. pon. He did his hand checks with the limp hand.

Ah IT was the limp pest. What is sad is not, look at heat. I can I get that the man was like, in social anxiety in any of number of those things, but IT was one of the most surreal experiences I ve had, where IT was like, one of the exact, the family that the president, the founding president, was introducing him to me.

And I, okay, i'm the dog and the dog and pony show. And IT was like the held two fingers didn't look me in the eye. And I was just like, wow, I feel really part of the team here. And I was IT was a couple years when I realized I had nothing to do with me.

was just I think this is right before polar and thought the network and right before he sold IT. I remember joke lsb telling the story about him holding is wallet up and said it's not getting .

any thicker to have almost half a billion .

dollars having to having talked to a bunch of this exact after the whole thing, tech TV was actually on a pretty good trajectory wise. You just you had to appreciate how cable networks worked. So you weren't alarm ned, by what .

was happening.

Mean, is a famous antic dote when after who is this? Our first program director left the hipster, my camera has name yeah greg driver in and left and .

then greg came and then .

we get the other. Greg came.

no g we some sweet guy.

not super competent. Anyway, he driven was brilliant programmer, but brand, he was kind of just I think he was just IT was a holding pattern right to they get self the thing but he got called up to seattle with the other executives to meet with the paul Allen. And paul Allen asked Brandon, when are you going to do a show for people like me? And brennan said, never. And that I convinced that was when I was the end.

because they did a show for him.

It's called tech life.

the music show. No, that the music will take life. There was a lot of money he wanted to do.

Yeah, but that that was a direct, at least we understand. Yes, direct. I want something like this on our.

Well, he was, he was told that M. S, N, B. C was the most profitable part of nbc. So they built four half hours of programing a day in this audience, five minutes.

But they also want to covered the stock market, sorry that they cover the stock market, but only the tech talks, which is obviously the cornerstone of the market valley right now. But you can you going to cover all of IT. So that was kind of a weird. I yes, we were tech TV they carved out in that even in the finance world, which didn't make sense to me anyway.

that was not IT wasn't brilliant. But on the other hand, it's tough to do a cable work now it's IT was tough then. I had a good time for six years.

I do love that what the screen tags became, which is attack the show, huge. Create the very, very, very thing. The thing, the sort of that show was you guys, you Patrick leo, waking up from a bad dream and then taking off with your .

rock packs to go bob, new heart episode.

think that's .

a simple thing to end with. Yeah, got blest Joshua put that in there. Let me see if I can find that because i'm pretty sure that is on the youtube and and maybe there be a good thing to end with .

um I am so grateful and I don't yes I think if you put in put last L T S episode screen yeah the twist ending .

to the a ots and I got down a few times but maybe i'll .

find the right one well.

that's the thing is nobody really owns this. Well, actually, I guess comcast technically owns IT, right? But they don't care and they don't want that.

We try to buy. We try to buy episodes from them and never were able to. Let me see if I can.

I have a link from the nerd st. Let me see if I can get to this. Yeah, here, IT is, I am going to go. Video unavailable. This video contains content from g four who has blocked in on copyright grants.

You've to find .

us on .

the way, way back machine.

If I play IT, they will take us. So, oh.

I see. But yeah, that was fun.

Patric, remember that we went a little coffee. We strapped on our backpacks .

and flu up.

I think I said something about hot dogs. I smell hot dogs, so I don't know. I didn't watch to take at the show, but I was now Olivia month, a superstar.

So there you go. Patrick k. Norton, bless you.

So nice to see you again. Robert heron, of you guys. Course, my erstwhile son. Roger chain, I help you.

sure.

IT is great fun. It's funny how twenty years later, you still have the habits and the patterns of those.

Most people say I look remarkably unchanged for twenty years.

having you have not aged .

one with no gray hair. Well, I have a few friends, but most of the Grace of my facial hair.

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