TWiT 1004: Embrace Uncertainty - Political Texts, Daylight Saving Time, Digital Ad Market
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It's time for twitter this week in tech shasha White man is here from the sloth committee in our street that or nicklas daily on from consumer reports. And our future is amy web. We will, of course, talk about the upcoming election, how much detect influence, the kind of uncertainty of this election amy talks about embracing uncertainty is with the garden AI, as well as everything else.

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This is twit this week take episode one thousand four record in november third twenty twenty four, embrace uncertainty.

It's time for twice this week can take the show. We cover the week's tech news. All we have a good bail today.

We've been we've been kind of want a role like the amy web is back, not just back on the panel, but back from a hundred, several hundred mile bicycle ride through spain. Hi amy. Happy birthday. When's your birthday?

IT was a couple of weeks ago.

Okay, you were celebrating. yes. Well, happy birthday to you, amy.

Author of many great books, including is this still your latest? I know you're working on one. Yeah, right? yeah.

Brian said if I started another one, he was going to divorce me. I don't think he's actually going to .

divorce me.

And on the marriage.

yeah exactly. no. C, E, O of the future today, institute. And this is still a very current books, the genesis machine, about the biotech synthetic biology, the biotech revolution that is happening right now. And A I has a lot to do with this.

I know I has a lot to do with that. And interestingly enough, the previous book that the big nine, so much of what I wrote about almost eight years ago, has come true, yeah that that book has gone into another printing and has started selling out again.

So yeah, because it's about, I have the tech times and their thinking machines could work. Humanity, yes, in the big t, big nine, would you say let's say it's still IBM. Alibaba, microsoft, facebook.

amazon on and google are those all I would say so because got to well, but it's because the future vi is really not just about the chips or the the code, it's also its hyper scale. So at the moment, you still need the cloud to make all of this work, which is why those companies, I think you're .

still relevant, makes perfect sense. Also with this from consumer reports are highly regarded consumer reports seeing your electrics reporter Nicholas Daniel, it's good to see you. nicklas.

Thank you, leo. How are you?

You moved from new york to the big great pacific or southwest, the southeast born.

raised the new york basic new york, and then moved out here to near two sons, like thirty minutes north .

that they got completely native because yeah, you were in an indian blanket jacket. You got the howling move. Yeah, no.

I I really like IT down here. I mean, I would have to be paid an enormous amount of money to move back in new york again. Uh, it's great.

It's today's a little rainie, unfortunately. But otherwise I love the people. I like the architecture. I love the weather. Obviously, IT IT is just a very nice place.

I like IT that you found your bliss.

Nit, so far, so good. Yeah, yeah. Nicholas.

if you come back to new york, you can jay walk and shop, lift, you know and and that's OK you're not going .

to get yeah new york following and thanks .

for football. Some reason that thing one thing here, one like the others are locked off. Everything's open. Everything's Normal where I live, it's pretty.

my opinion. If somebody wants to shop live, some deoderant should probably let them. I'm just thinking to shana, White man is also here, our street.

She's head of digital media at our street that or in, of course, chairman of the sloth committee, which explains the giant sloth looking over her left trouble. Don't move inch. Hi senlis, shana.

Things we're having .

me it's great to see you back. We are in the midst of an interesting election here in the us. We have many listeners outside the us.

We're probably watching with equal interest and a little bit less aga because this I think I can't wait for this to be over. Amy is IT always like this. I don't remember being like this before. Is our presidential elections always so high stakes?

I think a couple things that are happening IT certainly feels more like everything related to politics lately as high stakes, and that's most likely show sha probably has more deepen sites into this. But my assumption would be that that IT has more to do with um the amplification and constant stream of tweet and snap and texts and everything else that's happening. You also have performative politicians um i'm sure by this point everybody is aware of the choice that one of the one of the candidates for the highest office in the in the free world made with a microphone that they were in front of and you .

know that was wild talking about I just saw that this morning. Tiktok, yeah. wow.

So I think when you have when you have performative acts that makes everything feel much more urgent. And of course, you've got the there's a lot that happened with the tech sector and prominent ceos who have wait in, in ways that they that we haven't seen before. So I don't know that this particular election is any more consequences than the one that two previous. But IT definitely feels he feels like this is a memetic time.

IT does feel that way. But I just wonder, you know, maybe in nineteen forty, when roseville was going for the third term or eighteen sixty, IT was, we were approaching civil war and lincoln was running, I imagine there. But other times when the presidential politics has been, this waited. So hana, you're nodding, are you do you study history? Because I feel like this, a historian needs to answer this question.

I know you mean, no, I I know the history of specific regulations otherwise i'm not as into histories you might think. But it's funny. I feel like twenty sixteen and twenty twenty felt more intense to me.

But I think I personally really worked hard to tune out of the selection because like nothing was going to do like well for me stressing out about IT like there's nothing I can control yeah right? So i've tried to like chill out about IT, but I wondered to like what people felt like in the past about IT at other like critical points in history, like I ve often wondered how I felt. And I I always try to try to temper myself by thinking back to that kind of stuff. But i'm just not sure that we have enough enough like historical, a record of of what people were thinking like we're .

people farming their yeah right.

You kind of onder .

wonder actually there were people in the south that we're thinking that is yeah but yeah.

even when I watch out, old movie is on, like Turner classics, sometimes you get a little hint to IT. There is one I was just watching, I think had to deal with the one of the the roads of world elections. And IT was just kind of funny to to think about that kind of stuff. You know.

niclas daily on youth choose in such a different community. And one of the things I noticed in this election is that people are very much influenced by their communities. The communities that they're in there are, you know, pockets.

But but generally, if you're in A A blue state, you're in a blue state. You're in red state. You're red state, and there seems to be consensus in that community. You did you notice a shift moving from the very blue in new york to somewhat purple arizona? Yeah.

I think purple are a good way to describe at at least where I am in arizona. Again, I am about thirty minutes north of two sons. Uh, you see a good split of the signs, the trump signs, the Harris signs.

Uh, I I do find some of the, I don't know, these signs are elsewhere. You see, I C try science round here that says a lyric boils down to like trump, good comalong bad, like that level of, like discourse. And I don't know like how effective these things are.

I don't know. Like, I get so many things in the males, so many like nail mail, like, oh, this guy a jerk, this person's a saint i'm like, I don't. What is the point of this? Like this seems very silly to me. Uh, a lot of the kind of like the structure around this. Ah what I did you .

wonder how effective IT is yeah because if you're in one campus or the other are you're going to be sweet because you got a mailer saying your your person is a loser .

and to me like that the strangest ones are are not from the campaign s or the candidates they're from like the packs from outside like I got something in the male day I was like, oh, we noticed you haven't voted IT would be a shame if you if you didn't exercise your right to vote when we when we follow up next week, we hope to see that you file your ballot. I am like this language really like .

written to be a me if you N I like.

I know who this is helping like both sides are accusing the other side of reheard c and yield a and i'm like you've got .

to be because you're in a swing state. You've got to be in indented. I mean, I in work, california. There's nothing much anybody's going to do to change the results of a presidential election in california. There are other elections going on, but I get four, five text messages a day.

I wish apple would give me a little switch that says, hey, i've already voted, so there's no point in asking me to change my vote. It's done. I'm not given any more money, but there's no setting for that. So you just have to go, stop, stop, stop. Are we you raised an interesting question, amy. And and the reason I ask you know is that worse than it's been is because IT does seem like technology has and social media and twenty four, our news and all this innovation of information that technology has brought us has changed how people relate to what's going on.

I let me tell you a hypothesis that I have maybe I shouldn't say this publicly.

but whatever I say, I say IT, you're thirty years old now it's okay.

Years old that's exactly right. Um alright, here's the theory that I have i've been tracking i've been curious about this sort of recent spate of pulling the only times and the post pulling editorial page endorsements the times as a separate issue, right?

I so we'll put .

the time aside. But the post to me was pretty interesting because .

he was who bought the I was trying to somebody the other day, said jeff bazo zones, the washington post and I said, yeah, everybody in my yeah group knows that. But I guess in the real world, people aren't really quite aware of that. Something made them aware. You know.

i've been trying to figure out IT was pretty late in the game and that was a change that was a strange um move from my point of view for him. I'm thinking about one mask. And if you separate um what he's been saying on twitter from how what he's been doing leading up to the election and by that I mean offering a million dollars, the basically the lottery system for people deciding the pleasure, whatever.

I started thinking about the companies and the holding companies and I um a lot of the tech companies, you know how their earnings calls last. In the past week. So I was looking through paying attention of that. A W S is so amazon as a companies biggest revenue driver is not amazon dot com. And as A W S by a significant margin, A W S D .

services.

right? And they're primary, their largest contractors, the U. S. Government in space sex.

You same us.

Government same thing in space sex recently like this was announced a couple of days ago or disclosed, I should say, going to be building new types of satellite for dog department defense. So it's applausive that um you know if Harris wins, whatever it's no big deal.

That guy she's not onna, that's what I was going .

to say correct? So if if he wins and if that of these editorials had gone forward, my my senses that lists are being kept and is implausible, that truck .

wins in a ministry IT would be problems and there be .

potential like a real threat to those contracts um SpaceX i'm not sure who steps in at that point because blue origin potentially would be the other, I guess and boy are other in fact.

when basis IT said when basis pulled that endorsement from the washing post that very same day, tom had a meaning with blue origin now basis says all I didn't know .

about that he probably didn't he's far removed. But I could see that would be the transformation process is I think, probably technologically implausible at this point, a giant migration from eab U. S. To azure or a google thought, but I could see cyphers off. And so to the original question, if I think about F, D, R, some these other critical moment in history in the us, I don't i'm curious to know there was another time that we weren't under some kind of crazy economic stress where a couple of business leaders have had this much influence in the result.

Did carnegy or her standard oil that rocket feler have this kind of influence on?

I did. But that's also a good analogy to where we are right now with the state of, uh, technology advancement and how you know if you think about that original moment in time when the rail words were being built, in this moment in time when all of the advanced tech and deep tech is really scaling, it's somewhat analogous.

yeah. I feel like I look at somebody like tim cook to is the model of a modern major CEO who plays both sides directly. He was in china at almost exactly the same time. India, they announced that india was going to make the bulk of the new iphones next year. He has both.

I'm sure he certainly appeared with trump, trump president member, the texas plant that apple was opening to build a mac pro in trump made in appearance of that plant with tim cooked by his side, with tim meeting in the White house with other executives. IT seems to me he's a very good diplomat in the sense he burns no bridges, he carefully praises everybody, doesn't offend anybody. Is isn't that a Better model for how a CEO should approach this? Any thoughts? nicklas? Onny, oh, good.

Just so I just gonna. I think it's more than ethical model in that like, you know I mean, regular to our captures the thing. And if companies know they can get a sweet deal through, elected officials will definitely try that. And we should blame the elected officials for that.

We should blame them for wanting to be quoted by industries and wanting to say, like, you will work niche together if you're nice to me and I know that's a big trump h thing, but it's child dish and you I ve heard of stories that much smaller scales but for state reps and state senators where they're like, oh, you know this bill hurts you well, maybe you should consider donating to my campaign but then if they're whistle lower, then we'll never be able to like, do business in that state again, just like crazy stuff. And I see this all over, know we're right to think about IT at the presidential level because IT matters and is big there. But but this kind of regulatory capture and corruption is a problem all over.

And I like that. I think tim cook does a little Better job where he's just nice to everyone, doesn't really pick sides, and I think that's more ethical. But if we see other CEO doing the other kind of stuff like it's not right at at any level, but you kind of get IT if the elected officials say, hey, I open to whoever is going to like back me, it's not how I should work, but like you kind of get why they end up Operating that way so that they don't become targets.

I mean, look, elected officials represent their constituency and that includes companies and CEO as much as you and me. So they have I mean, they're representing and can cy. So i'm not exactly saying that the company shouldn't weigh in and a politicians should not looked to companies.

There was a story, I think IT was in CNN, that andy, Jesse, after the assassination attempt on trump, called to wish him well. And trump said, you know what really make me feel Better if you throw some money my way. And I mean, that's campaigning.

I don't. That's part of the problem is that's how IT works in the united states, politics and money are hand in hand, and we don't seem to have the stomach for changing that. And so it's hard to get angry when I mean, Harris, I think, raise more than a billion dollars after her announcement.

IT costs more than a billion dollars to become a president of the united states. Is that not problematic? Is that not feed oligarchs, the people who really can give that kind of money? okay. You guys are you're being very smart and judicious, and I praise you.

One thing I will say no is that there I think they've been study is shown that the the candidates that do Better with small donors tends be a little .

crazier that like interesting union and yeah .

yeah oh my gosh. Like exactly except like that. And it's like it's not that i'm not open to the campaign finance reform. Its just that depends on like what you're trying to solve for.

And if you're if you want politicians to be less crazy, i'm not necessarily sure that that's the way to go because small dollar donors like guys like r fk junior and and some of the crazy urs were Carry lake. I think he did Better with small dollar donors and people like that. And that scares me. I'm like, oh, you know, I get where we're going here, but like maybe we like going out to incentivize that stuff so much in the system.

I don't want to turn this into the twitter politics edition. We try to kind of step away from politics much as possible. But I think that there is an nexis, a little bit of a nexus between tech, big tech and certainly big tech CEO today and the political order of the day.

So i'm really curious what the responsibility of tech is. I worry that it's it's a sigh fight trope that eventually corporations will run the world, right? what?

Corporations are already running them.

But I feeling we're halfway there then.

I mean, I would say that we were look. You know during the trumpet administration um there were a lot of people at left state, the state department, and they went to work at microsoft. Microsoft had know has a mass of formidable international, a formidable team of people very well versed and international issues and diplomacy, which was a very, very smart move by brad smith.

And I think IT served microsoft quite well. I think if you want to think about the future of government and business, I would look to what's that part of california. Leo and maybe shoshanna Nicholas also know that um they've been some tech folks have been quietly oh yes.

just north of us yeah yeah north sanford go bay as a smoking country, a camera, the county but they they ve been buying up land they wanted to create a tech meca which by the way was gonna voted on on tuesday in the area and they quickly pulled that initiative because they realized.

didn't the votes yeah well, whether or not that happens, there are special economic zones now in hate and in other economically depressed areas around the world where if you want to do experimenters like biomedical experimental that is not legal in the united states um you know economically depressed or emerging economies are happy to have tech lan or money come in. They've created special economic zones where it's possible .

free to go and said a bad thing but this .

is the point that i'm making is I think if you were to be curious ous enough behind closed doors, it's like it's like a three cited prisoner's dilema situation. You've got the government believing that IT is IT has all the power because that has the ability to regulate. You've got the tech sector, which is building all of the tools that everybody now relies on and they're sitting on top of mounds of data.

And then you have finance. You've at the street, you know that believes IT has all the power because IT has all the money. And in reality, um no one of those three has complete and total power. They collaborating would be Better for everybody but they each believe that they alone um are suit to make the decisions on behalf of everybody, which you're starting to see played in many different ways. I mean, if you look at who is nearing oxygen's husb VC hedge fund guy who was writing letters.

hold me out here I am my amy.

My brain is melted. Did too much writing today.

All of the blood has gone to your caves.

That's IT has, you should see anyhow. But but he he was behind the number .

of of the batman.

Thank you. Thank you. So act man was behind a extensive campaigns to to get um college presidents to resign and was successful in a few cases right?

So that so there is a center of the nexus of power. But you've got you know elon musk exercising his power different ways. So I think the issue more is we don't have a if you go back to like ftr, he was my favorite president.

If you go back to that point in history um that we did have trust for the most part in government, there was a singular accountability chain. We don't have that anymore. Things really centralized, trust eroded and and people are following different types of leaders.

But I think we forget that there were people, lots of them, who thought the new deal was a horrible thing in the F D R, was a comi. And there were quite a few people who did not. Like F D R.

been in the thirties. Actually, when I got elected, there was a fascist take of the attempted fascist take Operations by, I do point.

and things like, right, right. yes. So that's what that was. My original question is i'm not sure that we haven't always doubt with this kind of thing, but IT feels like, if you just look at social media alone, that there are tools that have been weapon zed out there in ways both by russian disinformation groups, by oligarchs in the united states, to to kind of sway public opinion that didn't exist before, you know.

And I just worry, i'm not one of those people who says social media is ruining the our world in especially children. But x has become, as one says, one might say, a political weapon for elon mosque here. And you know, I don't know.

So it's is that what one might say?

You one might say that, uh, he is interesting because I don't think when I think he didn't, I think he made a joke about buying twitter, was forced to buy IT, right? He didn't really want IT. But then as the election loomed, I think he sudenly realized, or wait a minute, he wants to buy because he wanted make dad jokes, I think, but maybe not. Do you think that way back when he was planned three hs, and he wanted twitter because he knew how powerful would be? Come on, november third at twenty twenty four was my own opinion.

We've talked about this before. I don't think so. I think he got back into a corner.

I think you flip in and got back into a corner, had to put together financing, bought IT. IT was IT was not profitable to begin with. And now he stuck with this albatross and lose money.

But he could afford to lose forty four billion. And isn't only half. It's is .

eighteen I am comes maybe .

but so happy.

He's pretty leverage though. I mean, he had to use I don't know.

you're right. He's borrowed against space ics and tesla stock. And IT could crash either stock, most likely tesla if if he were to be called to, to put that money in. I don't know what's you know, I don't know if that's what's worrying him at this point. I also really wonder if tech, uh, executives who are choosing sides in this are doing the right thing. Is isn't IT Better to be a tim cook in the old days, you would see companies donate to both parties, hoping that that neither party would notice that they're also donated to their opponent. Well, soon there has been quiet.

We haven't heard anything. Yeah, we haven't heard anything out of google in interest.

Is so because ten years ago, remember people saying google has no lobbying ARM in washington a dc. They do.

Now the only person who's been um sort of specific about an endorsement as inland mosque now .

because in recent horror spin, horror z has been market and reason has been there is a group of now my friend jeff jarvis, we call them test real billionaire, these billionaire who have this kind of weird sipi I vision of the future that what happens to our dissents is more important than what happens to us. And and these guys are I mean, they're really out there, but they're quite a few of them.

The palmer lucky of the world, I think a smart C E. O, tim cook, probably mark ekberg, I would include their son, arpa chi. Such an adela are staying above the fray, while behind the scenes working the the gears right?

If you, if you're the c of a publicly traded company, your board absolutely does not want you to come down, right? Does not want you to publicly say anything at all, which is the correct thing, the correct position.

That's the right way to do you think you yeah i'd .

also add in that IT bothers me when like when when he was tried to basically, you know donate to campaigns come out there for candidates to get government contracts or more government contracts. But IT bothers me equally when they advocate for regulations that they know well, like harm their competitors. So it's funny, like some of this works me up. But what worked me up way more IT was when sam altman went before congress and was like, oh no, regulate me. And in ways that he knew would harm .

I was regulatory capture, right?

Oh, drives me not because lawmakers eat up there like one, has someone ever be regulated? And I like such a thing. This is like such a basic thing.

Have you not goole this? Sorry, google, you know, google of this in a bit because you see IT all the time. And IT bothers me like and I respect when companies genuinely want to regulation because they think it'll make stuff safer.

And you can kind of figure out if you know the the area where they are being honest about IT or if they if they oppose the regulation because it'll stop competition, that they're going out on a limb there. And I appreciate that. But so much of the time, the easiest course of action for them is just to say, you regulate me in ways that will harm my competitors.

I win. I look really good to the elected officials, and I won't name all the companies doing this, but a lot of companies do IT and IT drives me not because they're just they're about like whatever helps them right now screw the future, then screw their competitors and then the ftc IT ends up going after them or their competitors. And I like, let's stop this vicious cycle and make sure that regulations don't harm competition unnecessarily, keep people safe.

I'm all for that. But like so much of IT, it's just ask and I regulatory capture, I see IT across areas. But man, that's what like that's what I am really into family guide right now. That's what grants my gear is, you know.

really grind my is we had last week alex Stevens on and he written an editorial in the secrets to b saying california should ABS government news. Them should absolutely not sign the AI regulation building had passed the states assembly legislature ah he did not he vetoed and stay much is very happy. Some said that you agree that was that that was the wrong kind of regulation. Oh yeah.

oh my god. Sh IT was just IT was just like regulation for regulation sake and IT was arbitration all consuming? And I like alex, stay most a lot to I bought him down and then for ideas and he's always very gracious with his time. He's .

awesome. I love him. Well, you know, I feel like, I mean, elan musk supported IT. I'm sure Geoffrey hinton, a lot of the AI dumas support IT because IT had thinks like a kill switch so that no A I could be generated unless there was a way to pull the plug on that before IT took over the world.

And IT felt a little bit size I ish newsman said, look, it's just gonna AI research out of the state. It's not going to serve any purpose. He says.

I'm not against A I regulation, but it's this is the wrong bill. And I will work next year with the legislature to come up with a Better bill. Amy, you think that was the right point of view?

I think, well, the problem that i've got, what I have been saying for a very long time and and absolutely striking out when IT comes to convincing anybody to think differently, is that are the regulatory structures that exists in the E. U. In the united states, don't work when IT comes to tech regularly. Again, like xu hanna probably knows way more about this than I do so we should try and but my totally uninformed opinion is that regulation is inherently response to something that already happened. IT is not anticipating because its very hard to do this unless you build out models, which you we do for a living, but you have to continually .

update A I .

now we always have. So we twelve years ago using machine learning to do some of the modeling.

And really a bad to describe this though. And you're using computing to look at to chew on data to look at all right?

Yeah I mean, here .

let me let intelligence .

yes yeah. But basically, like I don't think regulation is the right way forward. And I get the desire in california to do something. But that thing if you regulate, you know you're gonna wind up with lawsuits. Every every company that you attempt to regulate this is gonna ind up psus you and IT doesn't accomplish what you want.

What I would rather have happiness incentivize these companies to make extraordinary amounts of money such that, uh they they they would be not doing their short they you know they would be doing bad by their shareholders to to make poor decisions in the way that you can send them to make money is to compel them um to do what's best for our shared goals for the future, right? Because they're not going na respond positive letter regulation. But if you create a situation where they are going to make a lot more money, then they have a fiduciary responsibility.

They have to comply like they have to comply, but like setting up the situation where the big test way that our biggest companies make even more money is not something I know that everybody is uh, thrill about. So we've been using machine learning. I have more Peter dly. Multiple time is built like clones of myself and trained IT to answer .

things I .

no kidding um yes actually to .

train IT do you give IT your writings .

or um in like twenty I had what year was that twenty sixteen maybe um I built a chat out of myself and deployed at something called the online .

association .

conference of .

day and I as I was .

talking about emerging trends I said you could ask I had called IT a cura IT was meant to be non gendered um and ask whatever questions you want and I had i'd built at using pandora ts and some other shelf and um anyways I was more of an experiment for me versus at being a tool for the people who were there.

This group of journalists like these are journalists who should be um behaving Better um all ask what what are you wearing? No like who do you lie? Who do you? So they were asking totally .

inappropriate questions.

and I had programmed IT to respond with like, hey, this you this is our future and this is not a good way to train the systems that we're all going to be interacting with soon. Anyway.

it's nice. Yeah my friend Kevin rose has always be polite, say please and thank you. I saw you.

Yeah I mean, so I think part of IT is being play. Part of IT is also like, you know there's so much misinformation at this point um that's baked into these things a classmate of my daughter so i'm I don't know what I was doing yesterday but I give this email forwarded that that my daughter had forwarded to her from one of her classmates that said, your mom, I saw your mom and a tiktok video um a youtube video or something so in it's a picture of me so i'm looking at the video is some guy who is talking about interesting last names and the job that the people went on to do so are going all these people and then he gets to mine name so it's a picture of me is amy web, uh you know, web .

sporks in the way .

to the british and and so I was like, hey guys, this is a good as I email me, my daughter .

and her GPT, I would ChatGPT .

so I was like, this is a good on ending to remember that it's really important to check your sources. I am neither british nor the i'm kind of freak out by spiders .

so that's a sterile but if is the case, this is ana wiseman is chairman of the sloth committee so I hope to ChatGPT knows that much. I want to take a little bit. I know I hate, hate being political.

I feel like it's on everybody's mind right now. And I really do wonder how much the world has changed because of all these new technologies or if it's just something that we've always gone through in the past. And I don't know, I don't know.

I feel like my biggest fear is that people get so overwhelmed that they decide not to participate that they say, yeah, you know IT doesn't matter and it's too confusing and everybody is at each other s throats. And i'm just i'm just going to put my head down. I'm going to vote.

I'm going to participate. And I completely understand that I feel that way all the time, but I hope that you will all participate and get to where the red, White and blue you're vote badge that's that's the badge of honor. We take a little break.

Amy web is here, futurist author of some great books, including the is the genesis is machine and I hope your husband reliance so we can get some more books out of you. She's also the C. E.

O. The future today institute a nica day. Lyon, who is the senior technology reporter, and no electronics. Now, did you, did you have anything to do with that title? Should be technology.

Uh, I believe technically, you know, my H R. Literal title is senior electronics reporter. So I could tech. I put about everyone that is little dated like.

yeah we only like what time ex watches .

and remote control i'll .

be doing coffee machine and I have uniqueness. They're very technical right now.

I know less than zero of that cost. Very exciting.

Hook up with mark prince, the coffee geek. He is the of the king of coffee machines. He got me to buy two in the last three .

months really .

yeah and I like on both for different reasons. Yeah, it's a big topic right now. Just ask game web. But you had for breakfast.

I what's your coffee machine?

I am now using a bravo oracle jet that which is the newest revel. And it's a very automated. It's not it's not like a marzo. Where does all you .

have to too time? I just want to push a button .

and get really good coffee. And he had also recommended, and actually really like IT, that from ninja, who's famous for making where the plants is, like I just sign out, they're doing a slushy machine. But but ninja makes a very good coffee maker for only five hundred dollars.

That cafe looks and IT actually makes very credible, not just distressed s but regular coffee, drip coffee, ice coffee. And it's surprisingly good. So IT has a lot of the features of the travel.

I have a jura e eight.

The jurors are very nice.

Yeah, great. IT has a you can technically have to make the milk drinks for you, but I it's chAllenging to clean so I have a little nespresso sword thing there, nicolas, sure. Your reviews .

itself we just wrote for yeah no, it's become a hot topic, very hot topic these days. Also, here's shasha White man, what's your coffee preference to china?

You're you're going to all judge me really hard next cafe. So I was in patongo little back and their next cafe is amazing. So like you know, IT, it's cheap. I can pack IT, it's the same everywhere and it'll save me money. So I have instant coffee every day.

Wow, okay, we are disqualified.

Yeah I understand I don't playing me, but they have different kinds like they have this column y and when I have now on the still not one and the originals, okay, but i'm getting into fancy that's cafe.

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Bit warden, bit warden, not come slash to IT talking about A I story in bloomberg saying amazon's A I based alexa is stuck in the lab and won't be revealed. They had hoped to show IT when they did their kindle reveal last week, but according to a bloomberg, it's not ready. The big data version they had hoped to ship this year won't be out at best until next year. That good news or bad news uh, nicklas, to your your real people use these voice system yeah I .

was just going to say when I was advice, uh, several years ago, we did a story on a one of the echoes like, you know, how to set up skills, how to make your own skill. IT was like the top rated story of the day. So I was like blown away at the, at the the demand for information about alexa back then.

That was twenty, sixteen or seventeen. I don't I feel I feel like it's a little bit of a fumble, to be honest, like when when they first came out in twenty fourteen? Uh, well, I won't initially being like, is this even a real device? But they seem to like plant toe, like I have A, I have a bunch in the house. We use them literally just to like turn turn on light and maybe set timers every night.

Then yes, they glorified kitchen timers for most people.

Yeah so I feel like you as as like future looking as they were twenty fourteen when the first one came out. They are very quickly kind of plant tote is okay. They do this. So must be frustrating if your amazon, hey, we developed this this this tech and now chat V T, and support the kind eating our lunch, how did that happen? Ah yeah I can imagine very .

frustrating for them all up.

Yeah, please.

So on the one hand, in some ways, amazon, amazon has has had a full sweet of A I tools, that of that that they themselves used to help build their own products and services that are very, very impressive on the consumer facing side of things. Why do you think? I don't know.

I guess i'm curious snicks. Why do you think consumers where they freaked out by IT as that is our brand image problem or is just like why? Because the devices are really cheap. And there was a time a couple of years ago when microsoft was was feeling very, very far behind the the apple on this one and was trying to release a sub fifty dollar product of their own and to market that was .

consumer facing.

So is there five .

hundred billion elea enabled devices? I mean, that was that echoes though that's toothbrushes and toast ers and my growth ve ova, but but that's a lot half a billion.

I mean, a ton of hotels bought elexa devices, so there are lots of rooms, so that's bad. And I I think there's a lot of them in in in china, right? Aren't there are tons of marry out properties that have I could be wrong on this. Yeah yeah so of some of those devices are like hotels. But just curious like why do you think people didn't buy IT?

Yeah, I know my sort regulation is like these sort of voice assistance, whether it's a lex, we're saying I am sorry to the folks, I just trick services. So all these services that we all know the names, um it's a tech that you know that feels like tech was kind of structure before A I kind of hit maybe two years ago when ChatGPT really blew up. So I feel like tech was was searching for like the next IT was VR IT was cyp to IT was this digital voice assistances IT kind of like moving from like thing to thing for the next big thing after social media, after mobile?

Uh, I I just think these things are limited and what they can do, you know, how many times are you going to ask for a time we're during the day? How many times are you gonna for the weather in alba ki? Or what if it's like it's a neat toy, but like it's not going to like transform my life in the way that the iphone did for Better or worse, you know back in the day ah so it's their their useful tools, but like useful the same way that like an alarm clock is useful. It's like IT works. And you know, okay, great.

You know, when somebody asked me some years ago, but only ten years ago now may be maybe less. But what new technologies, as I was excited about, I get that question a regular places. And at the time I said all, I think voice is going to be the next new interface.

I think a lot of us thought that the new interface for computing would be voice for some reason is proven very disappointing. The people I don't think I know IT might possibly be. I know what you're asking me, our people of paranoid about having a microphone in there homes.

And some people are for sure. I talk to people all the time. I say, oh, I would never have an alexa, a goole system or a story in my house listening to me. But I think, for the most part, people just didn't find them that useful to shanna. Do you have a voice assistant listening to you?

I do not IT freak me out when they like, respond back. I do have. I don't, anna say its name enabled ipad or not. Ipad h like tablets, so I can watch TV on my forty degree and climb trade medal, which will not allow me to watch others stuff on IT. So I have that .

four degree up or down and .

then six degrees down.

Wow, it's so that's love.

IT.

it's good.

I turned to the baLance so it's like perfect. So I have a little tablet on IT. Um because of the IT limits what you can do, but what people underestimate is the chabot observing kind of situation. Cy, who could told leagues elect that no one showing orthodoxy ois, how to use IT for shape would IT.

Would IT be compliant. You could use IT because you're not touching a switch.

So like, I think people would be cool with the timer aspect, like how I can connect things for timers. I use IT to change channels on the TV automatically.

I was before I was. I should explain for some time after your chavez coy. yes. And now I have .

a robot doing IT, which is great. Oh.

for more.

for more a traditional dues, like I think they'd be chilled with like like having a heated on or like having lights go on. I say a word.

turn on the light and that would be OK that would be going.

you'd have to set IT before, but setting IT before still like.

Better than not happy. Hey, a would turn on the light at sunrise tomorrow .

or what are yeah yeah exactly. Stuff like that for me .

is automatically that let you after hooker .

yeah I guess you could set IT up for ovens and for i'm thinking about like.

I have a ship compatible, evan, that connects to the wifi. I i've never I don't know how that would not work, but I guess I would work kind like that.

I just taped down the light in my fridge and never untamed because I don't really care if I would light in my fridge. But like if I care than I would like one a little device, like doing that for a botton stuff.

So just to explain, if your orthodox opening the refrigerator has a little switch that turns on a light and on sabis, that would not you would not. That would be inappropriate.

right? exactly. We can work. So it's like you can't turn on and off lights, work, stuff that creates light or heat.

So candles or or the oven, or even stuff that doesn't have light if IT creates heat in another way over the electric. We basically don't do IT. But amazon, the lex that tarnel I can do IT I hope IT doesn't .

make the noise. But yeah no IT bothers me because .

I have an employee by the same name and I like stresses me out when I heard in the background. I need a team but the name but like why is no one marketing a to orthodox? You like .

that's a you do you know who moto high lights one is?

So like he's .

an old friend. My assumption is like he would be on top of all of this, right?

Like, yeah, why isn't he do? And something is not his job .

and also for like .

other other people of disabilities who like could benefit from this kind of self like, I mean, it's the automation is amazing. I kept switching back and forth, but we, king of the hill and Alfred hit cock presents on chabot t without having depressed the button. And that's like life changing for me. So I don't enough to sit through late symptoms, which I hate watching. It's like perfect.

No one anticipated these problems right back in the days of the old testament they had read, or whatever the door .

they so again, regulations, regulations to go work. And they work like IT just doesn't work in the of a technology like the tour of the whole thing. The bibles future regulations doesn't yeah.

I love IT that .

there is no our street for the bible, though I don't think .

I don't know. I do kind of IT out that way on tora, though all full, like constitutional onta, but we can have original intent because god ent matters. But like, but then i'm like OK alva and .

who knows exactly what does in tent was there's a lot of interpretation. Friends, I understand the electricity. On and off IT isn't I mean, obviously wasn't electricity in the time of the tora, but but it's creating and destroying, right? So but when I first started.

when electricity was for us introduced most, you thought I was like chill that that was fine because it's like different.

Some rabbi came along and said, no, you can't do that. I'm kind of with that rabbit.

but i'm not always with the rabbit. They chAllenge the rabbis and they don't know if like, because they're relationship. Can you just like, like, go go along to get along every now and then? And i'm like, no must understand everything like to its score.

I just it's fascinating to me.

I will jump in the if I get very briefly I was human SHE just texted me and he says, as a disabled military, Better SHE does find alexa quite helpful. House to turn, let you know. SHE has such as back issues.

So we got lights, which is a weird spot. So it's like, and I have them, of course, because of a nerd, I have them took up to the services. And SHE finds IT very useful in in those you know whether why these things haven't really grown beyond that level that we're going talk to him about. No, but shit literally text me a second, said he loves IT and IT .

is very helpful for her, my mom. Same thing that loves IT for that reason. yeah.

So I think some of this is use cases. I think the other thing is, at the beginning, you really had to speak clearly, otherwise the system didn't understand you. My dad got parkinson's. He struggles. I would love to fill his the place where he lives with wace assistance but um honestly, I think we've tried and I think he's probably too intimidated to to use them no matter how many times we try. Yeah but it's find a new cases.

I have one of each in every room of my .

house IT seems like a lot that seems like overkill.

It's to a take things for different things.

Are they kind of catch think i'm .

going to use them for home automation. You know I have this fantasy yeah that I A say good morning, a word and she's gna the curtains and start the coffee and you know play my news updates and but I never we got smart thermos .

over the summer and we'd still just pushed the button on the thermostat itself. It's like, good you so no.

yes, exactly. I don't know what is about humans. I think we don't we feel like lights, which is are fine. You know you you flip IT one way he goes on, you fly another way he goes off.

What do you need anything else for anyway? Am is on struggling with this, of course, because they're losing billions of dollars a year on the award even though they're selling them like crazy. They had twenty sixteen, a thousand employees and aren't basically unlimited resources.

But once amazon realized people were just used where they were buying stuff, they were just using them, you know, for timers and things and and IT was costing them a lot of money. So adding intelligence, maybe that's, you know, the next way to get people to use these things. Here's a chart from bloomberg about amazon's growth with echo.

They had one product in twenty fourteen by twenty twenty, and they're twenty two echo enabled products. I went up and down, but as of last year, there were eighteen different products, including eye glasses that had amazon echo built. And yet, what really cares a whole lot about IT now panels panel left microsoft to go work for this division. And I thought maybe he might bring some excitement to IT. I know know IT feels IT really feels like this had such this was an opportunity missed.

Yeah, I would say i'm thinking now I feel like the the amazon has also got a little here over the years like it'll just do a notification that will say.

oh, a book .

from your favorite author is I oh, your ring law on paper tales you more like I know I mean, I can you know i'll just leave IT because IT doesn't bother me that but certainly ten years ago, I would have been like, this is an outrage. But yeah, you could just feel them trying to school eze more revenue out of the fact that everyone owns one of these things and they just .

use them to turn on the lights would IT change your point of view and others about the echo if I had ChatGPT and IT, that's that's what they're hoping, I guess.

So I think that that would be the killer rapid this point because the the google devices also are really, I think under perform um anything that is answer related. You wind up with a string of hyper relicks that isn't super useful and .

series even worse. He said, here's what I found on the web about that.

right? So I think um I think once if it's a ChatGPT as much as that is you know could be lad IT could be whatever well.

yeah in fact it's probably not chat P, T, M, A spoke. Amazon has his own models, of course. And according to bloomberg, a former AI engineer says the echo teams i've lately been leaning on models from midrates anthropic. Amazon has invested four billion dollars into anthropic. Amazon says bloomberg rights that no single model works best for every use case, and its teams take a range of multiple l ms.

Through A S. yeah. So I would give you A I bet you once once some of these tools make their way into into devices, I think you'll start to see, like a hockey stick, forty percent incline explosion.

uh, we've been waiting for that. You a gracious hanna. You think a hocked tcc explosion once you get some nice AI in your in your echo.

I don't know, man, I be somebody talk .

to IT would be nice yeah .

just talking on the right. No, I don't want to talk on the trend mill. It's like already out of breath, like walking up that breaking in cine.

But they did just add amazon video and netflix. I need if they when they add who you I can like, take the tablet and put IT off the dread mill. Right now it's just like the tablet and top.

because you touch IT to touch you. Yeah, I talk to that. There was a fire TV cube that you could talk to.

And IT was connected to all the devices, and you could say, hey, turn on the liner's game and I would know which devices to turn on and all at which child to go to. And IT would just do IT all IT was really great. I don't know why I stopped using IT, but it's so strange. You think these things seem like they would be so great and then they just, I don't know, maybe I don't know.

IT takes a long time for IT takes a long time for us to develop new technology patterns.

That's something.

And I think at this point, everything is new and novel because we are indicated continuously with things that feel like they've just happened or theyve just launched. So unhooking, from here, I can give you a great example. Um we I was doing some work with dell and they sent me a brand new laptop and i'm trying to work oh.

it's a code so i'm .

just trying to hit control sea every time I go to like you know my hand has muscle memory for where that control button is and instead i'm .

hitting some A I button .

that is a so you if I how annoying .

is that right? So is this clippy? Isn't this clippy? Two point?

Now that the laptop is great, the complaint.

very good. No use to use copilot. I do not. No, so I rest my case. It's another little I.

I I use a apple OS so I am well, I can talk about apple intelligence .

because that's coming .

out yes I mean I use windows occasionally to stand top of things and you know um but the point was like IT would take is a big ask of me to develop a new habit to not put my finger in that spot. That's what i'm talking about. IT seems very same.

We're talking about converting many people into into many new habits given the breath of technology that's out there. And I think that's just going to take a little bit more time, right? IT may not have anything to do .

with the .

ticket itself, right? Actually, I think it's also has to to tablets to touch screens in your car. People just love that. Now people want button back because like, oh yeah.

button are actually Better. Well, excited about a new technology. And then as you use IT realized, well, okay, I was excited.

But IT isn't really life changing or a worse. It's it's bad, it's negative. Like a like button touch screens instead of buttons. That's a very good example. Well, anyway, amazon is struggling and really wants you to you start using if you would start using your eco more and someday, maybe adding a little assistant in there, I have high hope.

Didn't weren't their earnings pretty good?

I mean, they weren't like everybody do fine. Aw s made a lot of money. As to your point, that's their big driver, microsoft too, that quarterly results were generally very good. The tech industry is not in .

except for one company.

Are you want to an intel?

I would love to because from my point of view, as I don't mean to insert myself, but from my point of view, that was a the reason is a lack of strategic force sit. They did not need to to take billion dollars well, because they did what a lot of companies do during the pandemic. Everybody needed computers.

They're like we can make computers in up yeah, we will just mass produce chips. Um so they bought the technology that was good for that moment in time without thinking through what does the world look like you know one to three years from now. And if they just looked over their shoulder what in video was doing, they might have created a different plan that was more extensible that didn't settle them with enormous technical debt, which is the situation that they're in right now.

Yeah, you think that was this reason as twenty twenty .

though I feel didn't they spend up? There's been a long decline, but this is the originally IT was a billion dollars that they had told. Whatever the original story line was, we're going to be a Better billion dollars um short and dury math earnings call. The billion dollars went to sixteen billion dollars and a lot of that had to do with the investments that were made in facilities designed to produce chips that were relevant, you know, during twenty twenty and twenty twenty one.

It's embarrassing for until to get know its competitors offering to buy them. It's embarrassing that they have now been removed from the dow Jones industrial average and replaced within video. Yeah, who would have thought that right? Yeah, I mean, I guess it's sad, but this is the way the world companies rise and and fall.

I love that the government is subsidizing in dell and like trying to like stop in video. I'm like.

great job guys picking smart room. Let's talk about the chips. Zc, we're going to take a little break when we do.

When we come back, we will talk about this. Your change, wiseman, from our street dot organics day lay on from consumer reports. subscribe.

I been to subscribe since nineteen and eighty. Very proud since I kind of emerging into the world. It's really worth reading. And I look for to your coffee reviews that's gonna fun.

That's going to be interesting .

and to cus more and capture, you know, like this press. So and I guess .

is whatever the market this, I mean, I was just assign this maybe two weeks ago. I am really .

are you do that like a lab and test one hundred machines.

though the lab was still in OK. So I will be just kind of writing up the reports and things like that, maybe tests.

So they are doing that though. They're going to do a lot of tests.

Yeah, yeah. No, they study or they've tested coffee makers. I don't know how.

I hope they get somebody who's like who has like really is a coffee kind of, sir, as opposed to somebody like.

right? I mean, no, i'm pretty sure our test who are doing that.

this is nothing like my next cafe.

I don't know people like, I mean, I what do I use? I use a law L O R express opop. That's kind of what.

And I use amazon. I'm exactly the last person to be a coffee snob. I use amazon as presso podds.

They're cheap. They come in in boxes, big boxes. And nescafe can be used in chavett. Is that right?

Yeah, I mean, I have figured out how to make like nice circ. I figured out like the way to make nice coffee and chabot without like a machine. It's kind of like you can make IT work. But now next cafe and it's just seems to like me.

have to keep water hot for a day. But other than that, you a hot plate.

I have a hot plate that I put on that and .

you leave IT on.

yeah, yeah.

Hasn't burned .

out of .

electricity can turn IT on off.

Yes, exactly.

perfect. So that how plate runs all saturday.

sometimes sunday, when I forget to sleep .

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We think of so much for supporting this week in tech, and thank you. If they ask, say, hey, I heard that on this week and take look out dot com. Actually, that reminds me there is a move back to the office I didn't name. As I say, we want everybody to move back to the office. Um how is that going on, amy?

Um I I think people are pretty ticked off.

Yeah I know that anybody he .

is not going well.

no. So that's really unexpected change in the way businesses work. I know .

that isn't unexpected. IT seems pretty um I mean, well, if you in .

high insight, of course, that makes sense. But if i'd ask you, I know before the pandemic five years ago, do you think most employees will want to work at home? You would have say, yes.

I think most people don't want to work.

Well, I understand that. That's a different question.

Look, I know .

nothing wants to work. I don't blame for that.

If you are IT depends on your circumstance. Child care, very, very expensive. Pet care is very, very expensive.

yes. Um you know like I think there is a sense that you can multi task. I think that some people are very good at working remotely. My entire team since we were founded because we have offices, but for the most part, everybody has always had the freedom to work remotely as that's true even as we've grown, but we hire a very specific type of person. And we we built the company around remote work.

But if you know you kind of have to have those organic structures in place, I think if you went from having everybody in an office space, letting them more remote than trying to get them to come back. And I think that's tough and that's happening at the same time that like meta has cut all of its a lot of its perks, you know a lot of those um perks that used to be attractive are also going away. Laundry, you know free meals, all that some of the best food I have ever had in my life was at google and twitter um probably fifteen years ago and i've had mission land start restaurant meals but there was some good food, good salads. Both campuses really good and of course.

IT was good for business because they didn't want employees to .

walk yeah but know so that's not unique. So has been some media coverage of this lately as though take the tech industry invent of this that is not true. Bloomberg um has always, I don't know, they still do. But what back when I was a journalist one hundred fifty billion years ago, they were providing um ample snacks and neils because they kind of wanted everybody to be you know on site, working, fed, not distracted anyhow. So that spent at least a staple in some news organizations, probably less so today, given the and .

american enterprise institute. For anyone who is eaten there, their food is that their foods great. But I used to be free, so I was like, great to get invited there for lunch.

Then you could have an enormous, delicious free mail. They, like, have all diet types. They, they always had cake. IT was like, man, if a friend at a ei you were doing good.

you, i'm sure the heritage has very good food too. And I don't .

think they have a, we, we never had we. okay. Is that excel? If i'm being real?

Do you work at home to sha? Do you go industry?

I worked from home. I've always done a lot of work from home, and i'm really good at at the problem is I work too much and there they can athlete tell me to like log off sometimes, which is great for them and then I get extra creed to keep going on on limited vacation so that like .

works out and and of course, Nicholas is obviously you you're not in yonkers.

So no, I I worked from home. We I mean, i've worked from home from most of my career. I've done the math here and there, like my very first job in journalism, gizmodo.

I started right before the iphone came out. That was remote. I mean, we had an office in manhattan, but you didn't have to go.

So I just worked from my apartment. Uh, technical. I worked remote.

I was a technical for four years. The bike office was office. Every ton's house for a while was you work in .

every ten's house. No.

actually never went. But know what? We had colleagues who did work there. But like, I worked from home for the only time I haven't worked from home was that news corp. For two years, vice for two years.

And then consumer reports were like two years before their pandemics send everyone home. So I am used to know i've always had a home office with my high school, had a desk, had puter. So this is just like my happy place.

Anyway, sitting in front of a giant PC with, like, all the light. This is my battle. I am into this as .

actually battle held .

yeah my political battle station.

my battles, my year action.

So it's not different. It's not really too difficult for me. But I do remember when the pandemics and everyone home, we had some colleagues. I had some colleagues who were like, not used to this, and they had scrambled to buy a, you know, a laptop stand, and they had to get a chair, and the desk was like, weird, or or their working in the kitchen. So I IT was tough h transition for some folks, but i've actually done this from most of my career.

Ah you can see why employees who have had, at least since the pandemic, the ability to do that are very reluctant to go back. I'm not sure exactly why companies want them to go back, except that they built all these buildings. They read all this realest date.

It's really it's really state, but it's also, I think, a deep seated fear that they're getting taking advantage. If I know I worry about urbano that you're not putting in the hours that we would expect, I don't worry about you and you know but and I don't worried about shasha, apparently her problems, overwork. But don't you think that most people, if you're working at home, you know, kind of makes a dyal about working.

Be curious if there's any are going to say a decoration of there's any reliable source of data on that because a sensibly would have to sell, report or subject to are all day long.

So if you're on the carpet with rolling around with the dog, nobody knows. I do. There is one data point, the rapid rise and sales of mouse chiggers.

Is that real?

Yeah we you're talking .

about like truck is ratler right? Is IT called the rattler no .

mouse genlis something that moves your mouse around so that the moderating suffer. Your employer has installed in your computer thinks you're doing something.

Oh, that's funny.

I like what I like, america. What a genius idea.

that's. Amazing that people got fired for using them.

I think it's the employers now on the other side because when people used to go to the office, they would usually go in early and leave late. So employers always got an extra couple hours out of their employees before. But now when you're with your home, you just get your work done and you're .

done yeah and you don't like that idea.

They just don't like the idea. I think it's nothing IT works.

If your project focus like Joanna is or Nicholases or you are going to where you have a specific tasks and you know, you get IT done, and how long IT takes you to get IT done shouldn't matter your employer as long as you get IT done. Here's the story from the summer. Wells fargo fired, fired some mouse giggles, who some people who worked at wells fargo a doesn't employees, after an internal investigation revealed they were using simulators to simulate keyboard activity, creating an impression of active work.

I love that. I really love that.

I have I have to say, if you, if I mean, are there jobs where there there are no deliverables .

like meets meeting of those jobs.

meetings and emails jobs. I call the meetings and emails jobs.

They are horrible jobs. Nobody wants to do them. And I understand people trying to escape from them by staying home and making a sandwich dial. Blame me.

I will see though one of my friends runs a digital firm called red dead, and i'm a huge fan of the stuff they do. They really they're really ethical in their work and they think their stuff lot. So I was talking with with my friend there and he's really big g on are not having full work from home that like he wants people to come into the office at least a little bit .

because certain amount to a team building in socializing.

it's that but it's also they come up with Better ideas together where he is like not like inherently opposed to IT. But for for them, it's like they come up with Better work, more creative work and it's not like they have to be in for eight hours a day, but they have to come in for at least a little bit. And that IT like does help their work. So i've tried to think about IT, and he's probably right to degree, but I really like working in my pajama as all day and like it's gonna hard for me to like we motivated to change that when I do good work in pajamas. But like I do kind of wonder, like if our street had more in office time, if like the stuff that we've d come up with that we wouldn't otherwise .

Steve jobs that there was a certain a certain depity to having employees in the office and kind of he didn't very famously when they built their new campus. He didn't want bathrooms on every floor because he wanted people walking a long way to the bathroom. So the'd run in other employees and have exchanges and exchange ideas. He was kind of a cook.

No, I like, I like my bathrooms close .

by to love my bathrooms .

as close as humanly possible.

I'm actually sad that this addix studios doesn't have a bathroom minute. I'll be honest with you. I have to go downstairs. Scotty in our youtube chat points out this is the same wells fargo that a month later revealed that a woman had been found dedit or desk four days after SHE clock in. Nobody noticed for four days fargo just .

wells fargu was like the florida man of business.

It's pretty amazing.

I think IT was arizona .

from i'm staking that oh well you know um so we might as well talk about daylight so saving time because it's just we did IT again and here in the the us. We do IT after everybody else. We do IT after halloween.

Reason being the sugar makers, the Candy makers of amErica lobby. This is a really interesting lobby, lobby congress to not do IT until after halloween so the kids would have more daylight for turkey or treating, thereby consuming more Candy. So that's a good regulation. Ship, ship. And where do you stand on time change regulation?

So I will say you should look into like the sugar industry and like all the all the subsides there, it's like really mess up one of my works on that and like you wouldn't believe the stuff that goes on there. So I just think like I love interesting, weird lobes that like control things like the florist lobby in lousianner stuff like that. I'm all over IT, but i'm kind of floor and I know this is a little out there and I might have just change my mind today and kind of four abolished time zones. But then I found out china has this informal time zones because they .

don't like IT.

So if if i'm reinventing the wheel, i'm like, i'm kind of out of that now, but we should at least like not change the clocks twice a year.

There's no reason to do. And it's where .

I grew up. I I tell people in from chicago because that is easier to explain that why I am actually from, which is a tiny corner of north west in Diana, but called lake county. We were a tiny blue dot in middle. Why .

it's famous. IT is for .

a lot of range of cousins. I like kana.

I grab. I thought I was thinking of a lake county, california, which has another.

Now.

lake county is a little .

blue little blue speck in and it's like thirty minutes southeast chicago and any rate. Um my cousins, so my mother's brother, my uncle lived in a place called south band.

which is where noted dais o so we would go .

there for holidays depending on the time of year and the year that IT was. Some years, the state of inDiana refused to recognize daylight savings time. Some some years each individual county made its own decision about whether or not daylight saving time was onna happen so literally and you they were fifty minutes away and depending on like which direction the wind was blowing, we were either, we either had to leave two hours early or an hour later .

than we needed to.

Lazy and IT changed from year to year. IT was a complete panama neck. I remember .

that because I I had a close friend who lived in convoy ohio, which is right in the border of inDiana, and time would change because you went across the state line and that was nuts, was that and I know .

is just an hour and whatever. But if you're a student, that there is specially some pretty significant implications or if you're like ten and you just don't want you already don't want to be in the car and I you ve got to slip all the way to south bend for family stuff, and it's late to spring my pajamas.

So there is a move of foot in california. We had an initiative that voted to stay on daylight saving time. All you're around that care is no weight because it's the federal government that decides what our time zone is and you can't really, really change your time zone.

Apparently, i'm not sure. Would we stay? what? What would we like? We like to stay on daily saving time. I think we just like that because there was a summer time, right?

I wonder what the rules because I know azzo .

and we don't .

change a lt time. Now I because I ordinate with east coasts a lot and sometimes california, I still have to be cognizant of the time changes and stuff. But here we don't change the clocks and or a reo where but the family, they don't change the clocks. Uh, so IT is I feel like we could just pick one. I don't really care which one .

IT makes a difference the farther north you are, right? So if you where is on is fairly subtle, is same with portugal. But if you're in washing in state IT could mean the kids are getting up in pitch black and going to school in pitch black, or vice a versa.

They're coming home in in other darkness. And so IT does make a difference. But the day is gonna get short. No matter what you do, you can make the day longer.

One other weather d effective IT. And since i'm unlike so much medication and supplements for all myself, I do a lot of random research to understand IT Better. And IT turns out that like I think contraction is like less effective around I forget if a deadlight savings that are the other one.

But because it's like you take IT an hour later than Normal and then it's like then your body like IT doesn't adjust, right? Because you're supposed to take IT at the same time every day and people don't think to adjust like on taking IT at a maybe I should start taking IT at seven this half of the air. So like so that's that's an a weird externality that I think should be accounted for. Even other are like harsher meds. Am sure that there's some effects there.

The Candy industry is part of their lobby effort. Put a pumpkins filled with Candy on the seat of every senator. As as a way, by the way, he was also wall street that wanted to uh uh change time zones because wall street, one of the extra hour of trading an hour overlap with the london markets trading day so they were IT wasn't farmers, but I was wall street that according to the USA today article about this, actually, no, i'm sorry.

This is a archived article from the new york times. We've been debating this for many years. This is from two thousand and seven because I wanted to know if IT IT was an urban legend that the Candy's makers got involved. And apparently it's not.

Surely we can use AI at this point to simulate everybody, every argument, every side of things, every potential outcome. And like, call us around.

you said something interesting though you want do you want no time zones at all?

I didn't say that yeah.

I was kind of down .

for IT until I found out in china where they don't really have time zones, they kindly recreate their own. And I like.

but see. So this is this clock behind me is that UTC? It's twenty three, fifty so I would I mean, I guess you'd get used to you say, well, the sun sets twenty twenty four hundred or three o two hundred and california yeah I guess you'd used to IT right? I'm kind of here for .

IT that we know and I like everyone is the same clock and the clock is the same everywhere I am.

I give out UTC times for all our shows because then you could figure out when we're on.

at the very least, if we could IT would be great if every country that observes daylight tes saving time would just do IT .

on the same day.

Well, that's another problem because brazil does IT different, like I was just in brazil a couple of days ago. And this time of year is really tRicky to schedule meetings because we have to triple check to make sure .

on the right time zone I games, because rope, they would change your times. Different times still. I started at two forty five, and now it's one years ago I got at mr. First half was a real, a real problem or wild.

Well.

it's got to be an economics like like again, if I always comes down to money, right, it's got to be a financial reason. My assumption is that would be financially Better for everybody to at least coordinate. Maybe i'm missing something.

Know the Candy lobe has decided for us the Candy .

in the wall street, by the way, mexico, two years ago said no more. We're not change in the clocks and we've been they didn't change him again except for baa, which for some reason I just because a tourist wants to be in sink with the united states, but the rest of mexico doesn't change their clocks anymore. I would love to stop this.

The funny thing is, technology is made IT less of an issue because all of our stuff, except I still had to go around to like the microwave. I'm looking at clock right now. I not think it's changed this time because it's kind of a manual o clock. So it's a little frustrated anyway. I don't know why I got to do this or because you .

wanted to .

talk about I just IT drives us crazy, but we live with IT. And so you're saying in china without time zones, they just made their own up.

Yeah it's like a local code. That's what twitter was telling me. I didn't have a chance to to .

fact check most yeah but someone was saying they eased .

to live there and that like that's what happened, which I thought was kind of interesting and that's that's if I actually like learning about like when we all kind of come together to make a decision and then just reinvent the wheel a different way like that hopefully I know when that's going to happen. Yeah well.

IT also tells you something about human nature, which I think is endlessly fast, something little break and we'll have more right? There have not been a lot of stories this week and I think it's because everybody just kind of holding their breath for tuesday. Um so we have a few more.

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Get my magic apple here. I here on the shell. Do you remember, do you remember sending these, sending .

these? Oh yeah, I totally .

do question. Just see. I'll shake, shake the future, the institute. Magic apple, what's gonna happen on tuesday? That's a big one, right? IT says on a subside down.

I think IT only takes yes or no questions.

though no IT.

IT takes all kinds of .

questions that says read the trend report. I think that's a good, good suggestion, of course, which the institute does this fabulous trend report. And you can see that online at their website, you should future today institute dot com. So three ago, that's a good answer, makes good answer. This is say to everything no.

it's sometimes that says give us a call. Sometimes that says like make some scenario.

Here's when this says accept uncertainty. That's really the answer I should have gotten yeah, for tuesday. They accept uncertainty. Thank you for, thank you for playing .

with them. I should have put a speaker in there.

And yeah, you could have listened. I could, could. It's bad. The size of a theory home plan. I could put IT right next to them.

So did I detect that you are about to say something about apple intelligence?

Oh, I did. For anybody answer this, you have to be an apple user. Know if you all are.

I just, I had. So I ordered IT. IT took a month to get here. Oh, no. And then I was gone for like two weeks. So this thing has been sitting in a box and I just have to find some time on my calendar to actually open IT. But does this has anybody actually used IT yet?

I I have there's some very interesting stories we're talking about this tuesday and mac break weekly when I first turned IT on one of the things that does that, you know, apple intelligence right now is eighteen point one, I S point one, and is very limited most is does IT does IT does a summary of notifications, things like that?

Mark german has said today in his newsletter, he's the number one apple rumor guy usually correct, said that the eighteen two will come out early in december, like december faith, which is interesting because that is going to have a lot more to IT. But this one does summaries of your email. It'll some is a document or do bullet points on a document.

But the notification roll up is kind of funny. I showed this on the show the other day. Actually it's still saying IT IT says five to ten. And if you can see this, this was from last night, five to ten people are at your front door.

Now what what's really going on there is it's rolling up a bunch of doorbell front door movement from ring and which probes somebody just coming and going. But he says, five to ten people at your front door. There's also a very funny story of the me escape out of this, the very funny story of the the program.

Only if I find IT on twitter who got broken up with by text messaging and apple intelligence. Let me see if I can find this break up. And i'll show you what he he learned he was being dumped.

This is from our technique by A A I, A summary of text. Nick got his own one. For anyone who wondered what apple intelligence summary of a break up text looks like, it's this, and this is legit.

No longer in a relationship, collen wants belongings from the apartment. Nick says, yes, this is really yes. That happened yesterday.

Yes, I was right now.

Now, IT was a fair summary of the text I had received from his girlfriend. So I mean, I don't know if you blame apple intelligence for that some free to look forward to amy.

Yeah, i'm gonna. Yes, that that sounds fun for me.

I have talked to some people who have used the summary feature. Somebody said on one of our shows that because executives those want bullet point summaries, there is a nice little bullet point feature that you can take a document and say, make bullet points at this and give IT to the boss so that I think people will use that. The good news is when it's pulling from a source like that, IT doesn't it's not likely the hallucination because it's basically taking only what's in that document and summarizing that, right? So you excited, amy, all of .

the battery. I am excited to have a Better battery situation and a less slow device. So there's no but yeah, no. I can look, I i've been very intrigued and i'm always eager to play with every companies latest nest thing, you know. So so i'm looking forward to what I just have to find time. Maybe, maybe apple intelligence can create time on my back, have a daily daylight savings, extra hour of time, somehow, through applied intelligence, have time to like unbox things.

Nico, are you an iphone? Ur, android? I am like a guy.

No, no, I mean, I mean, I am, I am an iphone guy. Have been an iphone guys since iphone four was the first one. I uh, so while I have I actually haven't upgraded I O S eight.

is I i've had other .

things going on. So IT has a bit of priority, to be honest. St I I put IT on my ipad tonight when we're done here to check this out. But I just kind like I I really don't use these tools that often anyway like I use ChatGPT honestly modestly for like cooking stuff .

um so do you ask you .

for recipe for recipes I ask for like oh, if we're trying to eat foods that doesn't cause information, these and dishes .

I tty as far as .

I could tell. I mean, I do I do try to like fact check important things, but for the most silly things, that doesn't really matter that much. So trump.

if I have a shellfish allergy, yes, trump is one of the few foods you can eat. If you ever know, it's not .

actually does. Here's a question because I i've never seen this before. Does that are there disclaim ers saying, ah we're not offering that device but IT does that do that?

And right not medical specifically. But IT says, don't trust anything. Get back here.

Here is what's at the bottom of my ChatGPT screen. ChatGPT can make mistakes. Check important info like .

in the search. So if you searched for, like, oh, what are some foods that I should be able to see? IT doesn't say that her search IT just says that general warning at the bottom .

of the main page will get ready. Because on halloween, ChatGPT introduced a kind of scary thing ChatGPT search. This is the thing google was most afraid of, is that people would start searching the web.

ChatGPT until recently was was only aware of stuff in its training data. So at some point you cut off the training. Uh, and h IT doesn't only thing after that point, but this case is gonna, I guess, somehow connected to the net and we'll be able to be up to date.

I also would be remiss if I didn't say that different people have different inflaming foods. I've learned this very hard. So all different inflaming diets are lies for some people.

Oh, no.

I know if that have to .

do a fod map or something to find out what's what's bother.

Yeah, you have to do an error. Fod map doesn't work for me at all. Chick piece are my poison, who, I don't know why.

but they send me on your chick piece. I love him.

love them, but they hate me.

That means no foul. No.

my whole body claims from chick piece some of the .

best things in the world. How excessive seeds? Yeah, yeah, yeah. okay. Oh, sometimes there is a little, a little bit of homes in a hua.

yeah. Oh, I can tell. I can tell when there do you I .

didn't ask you use an iphone.

No, I android mostly is some cheap yeah .

yeah my daughter, who is the loan hold that in my family is an android user. But she's got ten around this lack of AI by downloading an APP, a russian APP that's a little, a little friend and he says, oh, I love this. She's so good and SHE talks to all the time and says, I think he really gets me concerning.

yeah. So I can now search what I don't know, should I search for? Let me see you then see there's a button. You you click the button right let's search your saturday night live. I don't know that that's a trending search.

So now i'm getting a whole summary of the history said in life, but also getting the november second episode, last night's episode. So that's interesting. It's just proving its up today, right? Um let's see our chick peas.

I was going to a say i'm like I don't .

want to be two on brand tory. Let's see what says generally considered anti in flam matory, you see. But however, for some individuals or with certain auto immune conditions or sensitive religions.

chicken is not legumes. It's just peace first. Peace just stick.

Isn't a funny that they're branded as an anian flaming food.

I know a lot of antonine plan matory food like destroyed me. It's funny, but it's interesting to you that they mention this without as many disclaimers. If I like type and ideas for like medical issues they were like auto don't ask us meddle cool questions and I like, I know I know but like give me some invoke .

yeah maybe they're more confident now I don't know this is the latest model four o cool yeah I don't know. I know. Is this a thread to google? Is this what people going to do instead of searching?

I don't know if it's going to necessarily sighin off daily traffic at the moment, but what IT does is reset the expectation for what search should be yeah and the bottom line is google made some some choices about its own search and its display graph and everything else. And as we all know, it's been very hard to find what you're actually looking for now in google because you have to sift through pages of totally unrelated shopping ads and pictures of things and then you get to the end of the page and it's like, well, sure did you actually want more things to show no yeah .

google bastian ed itself yeah .

and it's which .

is sad um the guy who some holds responsible for this has moved on proper a rogov on so maybe I don't know I maybe i'll get Better. I don't think I will. I think he came from the sale side and according to some, was anxious to make search more financially rewarding and as a result, did exactly what you just described.

Now, I tried, I just tried to ChatGPT search for the same search I did with google earlier, which is apple intelligence. Break up texts. And instead of getting the article I was looking for, I got some suggestions.

So if you're looking for guidance or examples of thoughtful break up messages, here are a few crafted with care, gentle and honest. Hey, i've been thinking a lot lately, and I feel it's best if we have an honest talk. You mean a lot to me, but I feel we're growing in different directions. It's not easy to say, but I think parting ways would be healthier for i'm .

more interested in your hear scope, but was your harra .

scope you want to know? Well, okay, so I am not a leo, but because my name is leo, IT gave me leo Harry scope. So I all I said was, what's my hara scope today? Instead of saying what's your birthday? Is that all your name's leo? So you must be a leo, right? So that's not so bright.

Let's see what that does not oney.

Yeah as a leo, today's R C, i'm not a leo. So okay, at least IT does one thing which I like, which is that gives you sources. So let's see what the sources were.

They were the Scottish sun. First place I go to read my hara scope, that's for sure. Astrology, dead com and yahoo. That's so interesting. That is using the Scottish sun.

Do you think IT as a deal? Oh, this is a, this is a murdoch sun or is IT? Is IT, I don't know.

Speak of yahoo. Marissa s out there. Pedling a new AI tool. You seen that.

So I knew this was coming from amErica because, you know, he started this company called sunshine.

Well.

that's IT. yeah. But originally IT was just a contact.

sure. right. But I knew there was a play. There was, I mean, you're not going to make any money selling a contact manager.

So what he is being positioned is that SHE, she's an AI pioneer. She's been in the field all of her products, which no, okay, fine IT just IT sounds like it's a people heard of something called life three sixty. It's a geo fencing tool that you can set locations and then have a trusted circle. And any time you come and go from any of those places that .

automatically let's reMarks .

on you IT does IT sounds to me like it's some version of that, but as but like a dear like a media management platform maybe that is i'm .

puzzled because of i'm probably not .

describing this， not why i'm definitely not describing as the way .

that they would describe IT. So after they introduced the contact manager or was IT a calendar, I used IT briefly.

and I thought I felt more .

like contacts. Yeah yeah now and then the injury shine a couple of months ago, which got a lot of especially on product, a lot of negativity, saying why what have you done that's different or new? This is this is terrible.

But leo, it's ai.

It's A I and now he looks like they're doing events. So it's a pivot upon a pivot upon a pivot. And yes, look, these are AI generated images, aren't they? So is shine now unique and changed completely?

So was a photo sharing site, intuitive group photo sharing fallest ly org ized events. Now I visit shine and its IT looks like it's it's like meet, meet up. Oh.

this is very that's not what I looked IT .

directly from sunshine with this. Maybe I got the wrong if I done something wrong. No, i'm pretty sure this is merry admire.

I don't know. A lot of crappy sites get big right up like every every work stating APP that exists that is no users has like a big profile. So like, yeah, this looks really stupid if i'm being real like, like, I don't usually like I I mean, i'm harsh, but i'm not usually this harried and something, but this looks really stupid. Like, really stupid.

I really wish mura mie well. He was an early employee, google, widely considered responsible for for the streamline early days google search page. There was always the stories about obsessive SHE was about getting every detail just right, including the colors in the google logo and so forth.

Then yahoo came a collin, and he went to be CEO trying to save yahoo, which was at the time, I think even then, I go kind of quicker tic mission. I don't think yahoo was that savage, although they have kind of survived a little bit with a few of their properties. And now SHE SHE went with one of her engineers from yahoo.

I think somebody who knew at google as well in rk, what's his last thing? They don't mention his last thing. Just the first name to start shine sunshine.

When irak marisa discuss starting a company, IT says on the website. These are the questions they came to focus on. Why are our phone list, calendar, text and email so disorganized? Yeah, maybe they didn't.

Nobody A I or think about IT at the time, but that's definitely A I play. Why is this still hard to keep up with your friends job and address changes? Why are artificial intelligence and other new technologies being used to reinvent these everyday social tasks? I think there's an opportunity there. I don't .

think this is IT.

but yeah, interesting idea. I wish I really do wish. Well, I don't I just don't feel like she's surely fatally.

Anything great to replace google with? Here's a story from CNN. If you've been seeing more properly, is ads online lately? Here's why why Nicholas delay on.

I guess they just bought a lot of ads.

I A money?

Yes, yeah. I is the first time I ve in in a swing state during an election and uh the sheer volume of ads on youtube in particular, uh, was very surprising to me and he is so silly where it's like one commercial is, you know john Smith is a jerk and the very next commercial is john Smith is an Angel just in there. This is ridiculous, like this camp. This is the democracy that, you know, that is imperial. I guess .

this is a CNN story, focusing on A A pack, the future forward pack, which is the largest single candidate super pack in the election. Harris yourself is raised, I would believe, a bit more than a billion dollars for her own campaign. But then, thanks to citizens united, these packs can come in with essentially unlimited budgets.

The future forward pack is focusing half its four hundred and fifty million dollar budget on digital platforms, including what IT says is the largest political ad by in youtube history. Used to be these campaigns were were real bones for local radio and television, right? I think is probably still is if you, if anybody watches local radio, television.

But IT was only a matter time before they realized, you know nobody y's watching TV. They're all watching youtube. So I just I have a question .

I don't know anybody can answer this ever maybe this is an obvious answer and i'm out of the loop. So the volume of text message we are getting a lot of text yeah from a particular .

campaign yes.

Who so do the Carriers make money on that? Does somebody have to pay the career? Are the a good question .

like who's making somebody .

y's making money because, you know that's a lot of money to send all that stuff, right? Maybe tWilly o is is doing some of the automation. But like on the other side of IT, does A N T wireless get paid for all those text messages that literally nobody wants?

I I don't that i've reported actually that's an interesting question.

I'm just curious.

Yeah, i'm pretty sure the telecom companies get paid IT and then there's like firms that handle IT, you know just like with email marketing. But and it's funny because i've never really ducked in deep.

But like I don't know I mean, I wonder fly, the techs are basically just like the pipes and they're not making it's the services on top of that, that that aren't making the money.

Yeah, i'm not sure how much they make on IT. I would I would guess that I would have to be some amount, but just how much like enough for them that I wanted deal with this stuff like i'm not to sure you know.

So this is a time magazine article from the summer before political campaigns can send mass text messages that required to register with irrelevant text messaging registry to verify the legitimacy of the campaign. And short clients with industry standards for opting and update procedures that, that stop message that you can send if you don't want to continue to get texts from that particular number.

This is Mandated by the cti a, which is the wireless communications trade association and us Carriers. Once a campaign received approval from the registry, they can use a mask texting service provider tWilly o podium, the many of them, to deliver messages on behalf of the campaign from a dedicated phone number. I'm sure that there is some money going to the the Carriers for.

So if if you text stop and IT doesn't stop.

that means is not legitimate. Well, that's my thinking. I made that up. But I think there also is a time out. So but if you mesh, I think if you answer stop right away and IT doesn't is supposed to write away, say, okay, okay, we give, we're going to stop uncle, I believe if IT doesn't do that, that they are not an approved messager yeah.

does I had so you, when I had a good story in the journal the other day on on trying to opt out of these text messages, oh, stop. And they just keep coming and coming. So IT feels, well, they do not. The best regular p .

only blocks that one number. That's the problem right now. Let's see. Run a campaign for a thousand dollars with text marketing from easy texting dot com.

Okay, paying here is a driver blowing up your phones of political texts in the campaigns last days. This is the associated press this came out to on halloween. Texting is cheap and an easy way to reach potential owners.

By the way, you'd think they're getting that uh, information about you from the donor rules, which are by federal of public, but they are also buying according to a time they're buying information from data brokers as well, which helps them narrow IT down, right? They want to know before they message you whether you're likely to be supportive without a texting doesn't have the same rules that broadcasting does. Both sides are working the testing pipeline aggressively. Says a story. But I really that's a very good question, is where is the money flowing?

One thing I dog is interesting. I these started rapping up for me maybe in june to like getting phone call. A lot of the phone calls are labeled as spam IT would say like possible spam. I picked IT up anyway because I I think is fun to show the polls Frankly, i'm that weirder that likes answer the polls but um they have dried up over the past like I would say last tuesday, wednesday that I stopped getting I was getting like two or three a day combination of phone calls or text messages and they've kind of I have got one in in a bad week so I don't know that if they're taking arizona is finished one way or the other because I tech ally registered independent, I has span .

registered independent. So aren't not everybody is boy is that, yes, we'd like you. yes. So I was getting .

really dried up last week. So again, maybe books think the the game is over here one way, the other I have no idea. But yeah, it's here.

This this story from ap does say there is a lot of fraud, illite texting, not so much from scammers trying to get your money, but from opposition trying to change your vote or or keep you from voting. The league of women voters this month of wisconsin wrote to the U. S.

And state attorney general report of thousands of fraud and text messages from an anonymous source were sent to Young people threatening ten thousand dollar fines or prison time if they vote a state where they they're not eligible to cast ballots. IT was intended to intimidate students from out of state who are legally entitled to vote and was constant if they're going to college there to keep them from voting or to get them out of the state and have them vote back home instead. Last weekend, thousands of pensylvania voters received a text message IT falsely claimed they'd already voted.

This is from the philadelphy inquire. This came from all vote, which election officials have repeatedly flag is a scam. The group said the false claim was a result of a type bow.

I've got all vote text messages a couple of in the summer and yeah I would I would say them as, uh, they were not misleading but again, the language they use as I H we noticed you have in vote did it's like, who are you to like, just leave me alone like IT this whole, like the voting industrial complex of all these, get out the vote organizations. IT feels very scammy to me. You know, I am not really comfortable a .

lot of this, yeah yeah. And a lot of them are using the same kind of verbiage and emotional appeal that scan messages use, you know, the pig butchers use that that the people who are trying to take your money use. Oh my god, if this doesn't, if you've got to do IT today, it's going to, oh, it's terrible. Like I said, if I could just put a switch on my phone that says I don't want these .

that kind of stuff drives me nuts um because I you know work I used to work more on the political side and that's that's when when I basically when I started like working in digital, that's of a lot of people.

We're trying to do that like urgency and stuff like that emails and that's when I kind of all began and I was like, hey, guy is like, maybe we think about doing IT like an an ethical way you know cause this, this is one easily replicable, if nothing else. And to like, I can't imagine that this is gonna work for very long. Like people, like people get tired of urgency.

Understandably, over time, they were just never really. And people trying to be more ethical about IT or do IT Better because IT was just easy money. But there's data showing that IT might be drawing up because the older generation isn't donating anymore and is aging out of life.

And and the next older generation is kind of already to use to this a nose that scams. It's it's not what the what the message is, says IT is. So i'm kind of wondering like how political fundraising evolves past the my kind of messages. I'm assuming .

they're going to be protect either way next .

and the weeks that follow. What technology do .

you think is gonna get use? So because twitter isn't banning words anymore or censoring anything, so that seems like a good network that people will be using either way, right?

Mean what? You know you nice to either way. But I I think one side was much more likely to use twitter to spread doubt about the result of the election than another.

or organized a protest because, look, if trump wins, I think .

the other deats will organize.

I think they demonstrate versus protest. I think that there will be civic action either way. And I guess suddenly, as I was losing the everybody, I was like, well, there's mobile phones organizing WhatsApp because people aren't using facebook, or at least they don't seem to be using. So four years ago, social media was still being used for this. Well.

facebook is very, very definitely tried to opt out of this. They've stopped doing news and you really don't want a lot of political content.

right? So that was kind of my question. Like what's the organizing how you I mean, like water people using, what are the Young kids .

these days is using cause I know yeah instagram, but instagram is this matter and I don't believe they encourage that kind of the answer.

Is tiktok right? discord? Maybe maybe.

Well, that's by the way, that's a separate problem, which is that telegram, discord um and other messaging apps are below the radar. They're really public apps. And so we don't know.

I mean, maybe I hope somebody knows how something paying attention, but we don't know about all the traffic and activities going on out of the public eye. You know there are lots of telegram groups are with all sorts of sky zy motives. A one of our club twit members says there's an excEllent podcast episode about this bander cats, says boxes today explained podcast last sunday did A A whole episode.

And why do I keep getting these weird fund raising tax? So I think that might be something you want to listen to. We are talking about why there are so many urgent text asking for money.

Homeless do IT, but Better cats says it's very good and explains IT, explains all the atlantic does have charly wattson, who is, let's face IT, a lefty, has a long article in the atlantic about this is what forty four billion dollars buys you talking about how elon will use and has used dex during this campaign, and what he might use IT for if truly losses. And I can imagine that I really used as an organizing tool. Yes, you is going to be pretty. He spent millions in the legs to support truck in a variety of ways, including some ways we've got them in a little bit of trouble with the the state.

I mean, he said that if if trump losses, I think he's talking to talker. If trump loses is like he's in truck still? Yeah he feels like he's in, in, in big trouble.

Which mask is in big trouble?

yeah. Elan said that if trump losses, he thinks he will be in big trouble. Maybe his joke, and you can tell when he's just never.

but they were talking about taking away his citizenship, right, or denying .

his interest.

Zh, because of some of.

yeah, he was. So I think this is pretty diminished. But he was a student. He was in in the country in a student VISA and was working and not going to school. So I guess teacher ally, they could revoke his IT is in now our resident, i'm not sure which .

is going to get departed for much less.

That's true.

Can I just pile on a tiny, tiny bit? Because i've been thinking a lot about this lately. Did anybody ever watch the show? Big love on?

Hb, yes, all about the the Polly emery mormon's CT. Ah.

so IT was about really good. And there was a break away person trying to be more modern, trying to live out in the open. That was played by bill paxton, yeah, who had a new tab, bought three a jaccard property, so three, a jacket, a sensibly and as a hold as act as they shared a backyard.

And and then each wife was in a different home, run back for exhausted.

It's also about everybody had a night. It's actually really great show. IT had any great a lot of the attention.

I joined IT because I was a fantastic y for me. But no, I had done why they don't make IT a particular.

It's not sexual at all. No, no, it's a drama. It's really clever and smart at any rate. One of the driving, animating forces of that show was regulation and escaping the police. And this is illegal and everything else. So my question, dear listeners and panellists, is, has iran must not done the exact same thing? He's just bought three adjacent homes, study on where he's home.

He is invited all of his wives, and there's many children, eleven children, to all live together in harmony.

right in different homes. How is that different from what played out on big .

love for really them? And that's a good question. Is he planned to go down and visit. I don't know if you've crimes, by the way, is declined as .

declined as .

offered as his first wife is down there uh and I then the the executive, the chief executive of his of a neural link, I think has gone down with her.

I mean, a little, it's a legion c question. I've been thinking a lot about this.

I had infinite money, and I had infinite children and somewhat less infinite number of wives. Yeah, sounds pretty good. You get a little compound down there and book a chicken. Er I think it's different if he's married to them. It's not the illegal to have multiple baby mamma's.

Well, I guess the look, i'm not an expert in mormonism, but I think that there is like the one legal marriage and then the celestial marriages, right? right?

But but is not a biggest. Nobody assumed he says she's a biggest.

I don't know. I got it's again like .

reminds of the idea that sure is the only .

difference was .

elan owns a rocket company in a car company in a social media site and bill packs and own hardware stores, but otherwise very similar.

very similar, very similar.

and has many, many more children. Let's say, let's take a break. We have, yes, there a few more. I apologize. This is nothing happening. So we have a few stories, but this is giving a scope to talk about some a broader range of topics, and I think that's been fun. Little later on, we're going to have sushi explain why SHE left slights so very much because SHE is chairman of the loss committee.

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It's put me a little bit, meta has used the term for its laa LLM open source, open source ai. And i've always said, I know what open source means to me. That means that the source code is available.

You can look at IT. You can forget, you can create your own product. Well, now the osi, the folks who are really in charge of the open source definition, the open source initiative, have released an official definition.

And no surprise, lama is not open source. There are some that are, let me read you the criteria according the U. S.

I, for an AI system, be truly open source. IT has to provide access to details about the data used to train the AI so that others can understand and recreated. I know how viable that is. They also need the complete code used to build and run the AI.

And that's the traditional definition of open source, right? And this is, I think, maybe most important, the settings and weights from the training, which helped the AI produce its results while lama is publicly available, you can download and use IT, but that you can use IT commercially. IT doesn't give access to the training data. IT doesn't tell you it's weights. Amy, you agree that this definition is accurate.

So the what I have read is that um the organization that has created the open standards.

it's wet O S I O S ah .

the has said that there is no singular definition of ai um which is incorrect. Stanford and others have very clearly aligned on definitions for ai and you know have said that unless uh lama reveals its training data that that that they no longer will be certified. And I guess my response that that is and like, so what well.

there's no way. I mean, but mark has been using this term open source A I for quite a while and I think it's kind of unfair of him to do .

that and you think he's going no.

I mean, well, I mean, it's a for people who are yeah but okay but it's a program for people whose are responsible for open source to say no. Let's be clear, this match our criteria the hugging .

face folks stepped in and said, this is a great thing. We love this clarification. But they compete against islam. You know, I don't know, I nothing very few open source does not mean totally free.

Not no, I notice there is there is no mention in here about free.

So I think that there is some amount of conflicting. What do we mean by open source, which would imply we're gona give you, you know, everything that people can build upon, use rate, use things in new ways, which is clearly not what's happening.

But I maybe i'm wrong, but I do believe that if A I if we said no, A I needs to be open source for us to support IT. Yeah, that would be an improvement wouldn't IT over closed AI that we don't know really how it's been generated from large person.

I mean, in the business world, the open source is fine for sandbox exemption, but anything beyond that is understandably true.

Roles are software as well.

I don't get to we don't do a ton of work on the right side of the general software side of things. But yes, when IT comes to A I absolutely and there's a move towards more agents models, so looking for instead of one single vendor, you know like using different systems and tools together. But the but the um open source piece of IT, I can tell you IT is is unsettling for a lot of larger corporations.

One there you go.

So I don't know what the continued, but in all just seems like a weird like this seems like a weird fight to have from my point of view.

I've wanted that clarification though, just so that people because otherwise I think there's if mark says is open source, so I must be open source. It's important for the open source community said no, that's just Marks marketing term. IT isn't open source. There's a separate discussion over whether A I should ever be open source or whatever. But I I think it's appropriate to take mark tasks to say you're misrepresenting what you're doing.

Well, I think this perfectly illustrates this moment that we are living through, which is that much of what's happening in A I in public is about marketing in hype, more so than anything else. I mean, OpenAI has been calling itself a general a generative A I not generate a agi thank you aid too many actions artificial general intelligence yeah company now for what at least eight months or so and it's yeah not no .

um so I think that there .

is some amount of desire to differentiate between everybody else and what everybody else is doing and let's not forget facebook or whatever mea is coming to the party with a hefty amount of baggage that is Carrying in the in the public eye because of some .

previous um .

bad behavior bad behavior yeah so so using like that's a semantic twist and using open source feels a little bit more friendly. And I mean.

when they are open and they except that they let you download their model and use IT, but that's the only in the only way they're and you can use for commercial purposes that either. So I did actually want to ask you because I know you have a lot of experience with china. You live in china for a while, and we've seen this brewing trade war going back to fourth for some years.

We've talked about IT on the show before with you. You may remember that dji, the chinese drone manufacturer, has been sanctioned by the commerce department and and there seems to be a move to keep them from selling their drones into the us. Now china has respond, responded by sanctioning sky dio, which is, I think, one of the few us drone. And this is a big deal for schedule because they get a lot of their components. Their parts from china might also be a big deal for ukraine because ukraine uses sky dio drones in their efforts against russia.

yes. So again, I think I think november is a weird time to be doing that. You know well.

are they trying to disrupt the election? We talked to a lot about this .

information. Um yeah but I mean, I look of all the of the of the enormous consultations of technologies that would concern me. I ve got to say drones or not the top of my list for the election um right now. So you know again, i'm wondering if some people in the current administration in the various agencies have a negative outlook on their future given given where we're at and maybe they're trying to sneak up you quickly, make their mark, maybe not make a requite like have impact that they've been wanting to have.

You're talking about the Better the U. S. Common department sanctions. D J. I.

yeah. Now china's response that that's pretty part for the course when we love sanctions. This is how they respond now. And it's not like we have no one hundred and fifty different drone manufacturers like we're kind of well.

that's what kind of there is. There are unintended consequences to, uh, a trade war like this. IT goes both ways. You, if you fired shots, shots may well be fired back. And I I always thought that our relationship with china, our deep economic realize with china, are good for peace because we're dependent on one another. But those but broken.

the united states has made a pretty big and public call for chips to be manufacturer natures by t sm c. But in places outside of tawang, we've there's been sort of a rearranging of warships in the area over the past couple of months.

Do you think it's likely that china will invade diwan anytime?

So interesting, you should ask that um one of the things that I would say to everybody is now is a really great time should be doing scenario planning. And you don't have .

to as a company, as a business .

or just as a person, you don't have to to do this professionally to to allow your allow yourself to think the unthinkable, even if IT makes you uncomfortable. I mean, to think through you, what if well, but not enough way that you're like catastrophes, more in a way that you're being sort of as objective as you can and non emotive to just really think through well, what are the potential outcomes?

I got together with some friends and we were working through um in a world and I can tell you who the friends are or what the circumstances were, but I can tell you what the outcomes were we were doing something called the axioms of uncertainty which is a tool that we developed that um looks at tones of different variables and asks if these variables are present as two axes. If these sets of variables are present at the same time and usually they're highly on correlation, then what could be the next possible outcomes? And the purpose of doing this is to sort of break free from the current constraints and see if we can get to places where are like, oh, we never thought of that before.

And so we looked at a ton of different variables and factors in a trump present, a trump administration or a hero administration. Some of the people that were part of this exercise are a part of government to say, there, there some folks in congress, we had some folks at dog and some others. Interestingly, what we determined was that the world may actually in a very, very near term, we may be safer with a trump s administration because for two reasons. One, trump, like foreign leaders, have no idea how trump is gona react.

Predictable ah he's not .

unpredictable, like an a cool way. He's just he's got a different group of people behind him this time. But like no, he's totally capricious and vendor like malittle.

Therefore, that alone is deterrence. That alone serves as deterrence. sure. And then the second thing was, well.

IT serves as deterrence if that person also has access to to a massive nuclear arsenal, right I mean it's only deterrent because of the united states military mind .

or totally yeah ah tally but the second the second interesting thing was um he's more like he's kind of an isolation, so he's more likely to just be like whatever taiwan that's cool. Like we I don't want to get involved or pulling out of nato, which we've already seen, right, pulling out of some of these conflicts.

Do you think that's more stabilizing in the .

very is like that's what I said. So what's interesting coming out of this was in the next, let say, two to four years, it's actually more stabilizing. However, IT reorganizes IT reorganizes geopolitical and the economic power in a way that IT creates instability after that.

Well, as an example, that is, last term, russia and invaded crimea.

And would they have done that if not been empower? And the answer is probably .

they would have waited, right? So there that's interesting because that does seem like a destabilizing action .

that particular won yes because of the relationship that he seems to have with um so that I thought any time is like I find contradictions really interesting because it's like that I .

didn't I never found you .

know so look, I don't know what I would encourage everybody to do who's listening and regardless of when you're listening to this is just allow yourself to ask the question, what if and this is not about branching over until like conspiracy theory is just being very sort of honest um you know asking what if over and over and over again and being ruthlessly objective and thinking be unthinkable and then when you get to the end of that chain of what is great, now what now what right? What do I do and what are the outcomes it's a good way of just, you know, preparing for things.

Asic smos foundation relies upon the notion that is possible to predict the future. Harry seldom is .

what is.

And is able to predict the future and and quite effectively, thousands of years in the the future. It's a concede that whenever I read that book, I think that's insane. That's obviously not possible. Here's way too many vary.

No but I mean, yes, you can predict. Yes is like predict the future of everything is is not right, right? But if you have the rate, if you have the right information, you can create multiple scenarios that that have higher abilities, right? And then you have to sort of be willing to constantly.

I don't know how you act on them because well, we'll see when where are the other will find out? Do you do you cover drones as well? nicless? I mean, is that I haven't .

look at drones.

There's a guy in her, A J, who's I think probably typical saying i'm not going to buy A D J. I drown because it's in its future is uncertain and I may not be able to use a new one in the united states. And that actually the possibility that hurts its business, obviously.

Well, we'll see what happens. You think the old chinese curse may you live in interesting times, is is in effect, feels like IT, feels like IT. The chips act actually has been, which is heard somewhat of a non success, according to a political only one grand of one hundred twenty five million dollars out of that billions, thirty nine billions in subsidies, has been awarded. This law was passed twenty twenty two. And so far the first award is one hundred twenty three million dollars to polar semi conductor minnesota.

So it's hard. Look, it's been eighteen months. There's fifty two million and fifty two billion dollars that's been earmarked in some of that for R N.

D. And some of that for your things. It's actually IT takes time to allocate all of that money.

Ten of IT was to to build A U. S. Chip power to make the U. S. More and .

hopefully more yes, to build to reassure loops that keep knocking this microphone, to reassure um and to start building capabilities here. Japan has actually done the same thing not through its through through different legislation and and uh there I believe the first manufacturing plant which was created in partnership with tmc T S M C has already has already been spin .

up and intel has received or is going to receive quite a bit money. Yeah, is IT .

should IT .

should IT? That's a good .

question.

Yeah, yeah. Well, anyway, this is, it's up in the air, up in the air. That's another thing that might be decided by an election because how speaker mike Johnson says the group will probably try to appeal the chips act yeah and let me just dream .

line IT nothing makes me more crazy so before the bite administration, I was asked her right um one of the transition papers so for the transition team, I was asked to write a paper for like how's the best way to prepare given all of the A I technology, everything else. And one the thing that I proposed was a department of the future and laid out what that needed to look like.

And the point of this was to be non partisan so long term, like longer term appointments, so that regardless of who's in office, we have some stability. The amount of sheer and just utter uncertainty when IT comes to policy is making IT in just really difficult to conduct business in the us. You know businesses have to the capex allocations that you have to make longer term plans.

You can't just like allocate a bunch of money or change your workforce overnight. So this continual back and forth, depending on who's in office, were going to keep this act. We're going shelve the act. We're going to incentivize this. We're going to sanction mad or whatever IT might be, you know, we we cannot, as a nation, get ahead if we can just like just give up like a decade, you know I mean, there anyhow, it's just no alignment and nothing that makes me because .

is that because the stock market focuses on quarterly results, what's giving us such short lightness?

Well, that's part of IT. Um if you are publicly traded company and is volatile, things have been over the past couple of years. The planning really has gone from a couple of years down to a couple of quarters, are like the next quarter. But this is about policy uncertainty. And it's absolutely and is uncomfortable that we can at least a line on what policies for tech or a longer term plans for tech are gonna be.

This is, you think other countries are Better. This, of course they are.

You and and actually some other biggest adversity are very good at this meant, namely ly. china. I mean, for god, like they published their long term plans.

well, it's a plan economy right day after.

And you can argue that, that doesn't work for many reasons and and everything else. But you know I mean, we if you are, it's a tough time to be a leader in any business right now that the Operational chAllenges are worse than i've seen in a very like in twenty years. And part of IT has to do with technology becoming so politicized and a lack of planning on behalf of our U.

S. Government for what are critical technologies are going to be and what IT is that we need to do. Everybody has whip lash and that's that's just like just you know it's a little bit like we're creating like like exhaust, you know and we're just for turing away like we should I use a bike alloy that nobody y's going to get that I might use that anyway.

If you're writing you're riding a bike and you're putting down whats, you know, you want to be as efficient as possible. You want every pedal stroke, every single thing that you're doing to contribute to producing water so that you can go faster and further. What we're doing in the united states by not being aligned is the equivalent of writing with one pedal clip in and one not. And we're just burning. We're just like creating what's exhaustion.

One like sticking out, waiting around. The other went on the panel and your hands turning in them. Yes, that's pretty much our political system, but that's democracy, right?

That's how democracy works. Of course, a planned economy is going to have a unified vision, not always successfully. In tens of millions died in a famine, I agree. But IT doesn't have .

we don't have to go sort of to the IT doesn't have to be all or nothing. I don't think we have to be a completely planned economy.

I think having a good and being .

able to stick to that plan because it's in the best interest of our mommy is the right thing to do here.

Yeah, he seeks something .

here that makes IT really hard though. And it's not just because this is like my hoppy horse, but I genuinely in this case, I think it's a real problem when lawmakers like it's more than holding tech account table. They like like having them as escape goat to blame society. This problem is on.

And when you have that from the left and in the right for different reasons, sometimes, sometimes also the same reasons, I feel like it's just hard to to show those companies that they're going to be treated fairly or that they are gonna be treated with like logic and reason rather than like how dare you do anything. And i've talked to certain lawmakers were surprised. I still like, hey, this tech company doesn't want to work out with us on A I we can't figure out why.

And like because you've been yelling in at them for years about other stuff and not and not in good faith trying to work with them because there there are some good faith efforts too, but there's also some like we don't really care what the truth is here. It's succeeded. A yellow tech for societies problems and nothing we shouldn't solve for the problems where they are for sure.

But when it's when it's like you like the camera time for getting in front of the camera and yelling at big tech CEO and like that in and in itself, I think like IT makes IT hard to get those same people to the table and constructive ways beyond like them advocating for regulatory capture of their future competitors and stuff like that. Like I think it's just a really and and they don't and lawmakers don't stand up and up against that, which bothers two that like I think it's just kind like the opposite of vote we should see in a lot of cases. So now with the AI coming and we need to figure out like the right privacy regulations and the right like where do we need more regulation and where do we need like sand boxes or other experiments. Like I just don't think we're having the the productive conversation needed after like years of like let me just get in front of the camera yelling about tech and like that.

that's a thing that matters. perform. I wonder if this is a side effect of our our partisan kind of you ffa lt.

Fault lines in our because then everything does become performative. They are the bad guys. They're the bad guys.

Having an election every four years like this does not help stability, is far from planning IT IT feels as if we're just like a chicken with its head cut off. You know, we're not even planning. What are you talking about? We can't even we're not even an effective legislature.

We cannot effectively legislate, let alone plan. Planning requires a certain in amount of openness and unity. We certainly don't have that. I want to take a little break. We come back and talk a little bit more as we wrap things up.

This is a our final ad break of watching this week in tech, the politics edition, because we're all kind of thinking about what gna happen on tuesday. Plenty of people listening to the show already know. And there, I don't think they're laughter.

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Thank you. thanks. thanks. Thank you. We love you guys. I should mention that this uncertainty is even bad for podcast network because companies who are not spending money on advertising either, they are sitting back. They're saying, let's wait and see. Amy, what do you think is is going to be how long is going to take before things settle down, whatever happens on tuesday?

Well, first of all, hearing the word kerry so many times reminded me of the kenya niki sniff I used to Carry around was made by something IT was a, you could see everybody's .

wifi networks.

What is? I thought I called me that sound familiar body early.

early is wifi.

Yeah, I just got this. This is a hacker.

aren't you? Well, it's a great .

way to get information. So this little tool that I just got, um so we have a ubiquity network running home .

as do and and anyhow.

ubiquitous has this thing called wifi man wizard for apple devices. And IT allows you to see like I was in the airport at uh, Charles cle in lunch and I had some time and I was like, I wonder who's got what running so I able to look at the entire network.

Oh my god.

look at what every single poor, every single thing that everybody was connected to. I, and a lot of people use their real names. So I use the name of what their phones were called in their networks. And then I plug went and delicate in.

and I trouble, anyway.

you shows some hard, and I know there a wifi man APP.

but I also have that.

But if so, that works really well on an android phone IT. Well, apple, no. But with the device, the attachment, like super charges stuff at any way, isn't that I was not built for that.

It's built to do the management. But you know, it's me. So anyway.

it's mapping your wifi signal. But IT just happens that there could be anybody y's wifi signal.

Yes, IT literally can be a super fun. You should see, you see all kinds stuff.

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over to your house. You are.

you are actually invite me near your house.

I don't. You don't even, wow, wow. That's wild.

uncertainty.

Are we going to have uncertainty for how long? now? I'll the answer.

the answer is we're going to be feeling this sort of anx for a while regardless of who wins, regardless of the outcome is I just this is the sort of new Normal and it's okay to live with uncertainty, but you still have to be willing to make decisions. I don't think that one, one candidate, you know Harris wins or trump wins. That does not necessarily .

mean the economy .

not IT doesn't because ultimately, there is their administration. There's also the direction that congress moves in. There's a thousand different things. So nothing is I fate a completely um however, you know it's .

probably .

it's it's a good time to get comfortable um with uncertainty. If you need help with that then boot sm and offers a lot of hope you know ways for you to contemplate uncertainty and how to sit with that and feel .

okay maybe that's why I have a little little smile, booted, looking at me the whole time I .

do these shows just a friend of mine as a as as then boot s priest. I don't know, ever were told this story before, but he was telling me that the first night when he was an apprentice, he is taken into a room and is sitting. Basically, the very first night on the job learning is to sit with the corpse.

So in japan, much like .

judaism and other religions, when somebody is, you don't want to leave body like that, there is their rituals before the barrel. So his job was to sit all night long and perform some of, and you know, you're contemplating your own mortality, talk about coming face to face with uncertainty. But but IT is about learning how to let go of control and let some of those one .

t we are all going to be lying there at some point.

yeah, which you know IT. But the more that you try to exert control the world, the worse everything gets. So IT doesn't mean to disgust. You need to be fully engaged and sort of except the agency that you have to make the change that you want while at the same time being OK with uncertainty and not knowing exactly exact outcomes all of the time.

It's what I tell our advertisers, ride the horse in the direction is going .

yeah this is not a time to step away from advertising .

because in fact, know there was a boobed during coffee because of the uncertainty IT. Actually, the advertisers that stuck with IT did very, very well. There was a boom yeah.

And if anything, given the the crazy ess and tech, I mean, everybody is seeking out answers with things. And I really this kind of comes for circle for more. We started, but I know that people may not be talking more than they're typing right now.

But but that will change. Um every technology company is working on natural language, natural uh natural value, natural user language. What is the word i'm trying to say?

Natural language. yeah.

Ah yeah.

so that you can talk to IT in a natural way.

I R.

that's what I made my action button do on my iphone.

yeah. And that is kind of this.

if I get back is kind .

of for right now. But but things are changing. Google deep and has a new sponges you've been getting .

sometimes conversations or interactions don't quite hit the mark, but i'm here to help. However I can was been on your mind lately.

Let me know that sounds pretty.

Actually that's good.

Sounds pretty, but the point is things are things that we're in a period of transition and people will talk more than they tie. People tend to listen more than they read. And you interfaces are changing to uh, google um deep mind has a some research out where create doom as you're playing IT. So it's it's a user interface that is generated based on you as you are. It's not a predefined .

me the game .

doom well that like an emulated old school version of .

doing because doom was on rails, you know you couldn't there was no variation .

and that you're saying so so I think .

gaming could really benefit from A I am really shocked the and more of that.

But the point is that this type of interactive media has has will grow. Um so again, going back advertisers, I think the relationship betwen advertisers and publishers and and media companies evolve behind where IT is.

But well, I was because according to the cordless results from some of the biggest companies like google, meta and digital advertising is very healthy right now. Google's advertising revenue up ten percent year over year, partly that election but but also AI driven ad tools help boost efficiency. They say we believe A I will revolutionize every part of the marketing value chain.

Phillip iner, who is the chief business officer, meta sales increased nineteen percent year over year, profits balloon thirty five percent. That's all digital add sales didn't help but a stock, but that's another matter. Snap revenue grew fifteen percent year over you, thanks to investments in AI and AR that are driving innovation across Snapchat advertising platform.

According to Evans, speel edits earnings cruizing past analysts expectations. Advertising income on a reddit group of fifty five percent, fifty five percent year over year, driving its first ever profitable quarter. Roku earned a roku you couldn't think of as an advertising company.

They are they earn more than a billion dollars in revenue last quarter, thanks to strong growth in its platform business, which includes advertising. So advertizing up for those companies is doing very well. I wish we were doing a little Better for podcasting, but that's another matter for another day. Consumer reports doesn't take advertising your gold and stay leon, never has, never will. I ve .

yeah no no. Ad is also backrib er funded a and may IT .

be proud to be a subscribed, very proud to be a subsequent neko. Thank you so much for being here. Look forward to your coffee reviews. I think that would be very interesting.

Uh, yeah I don't know when the first ones you're onna hit. Uh, like I said, I was just informed maybe two weeks ago so I wont be tomorrow but yeah in the coming .

takes a while to test a lot of coffee makers. If you need anybody to help you judge or anything. I love coffee, i'll help you.

You don't ask, don't ask this one here. Shoshana wiseman likes nescafe, but i'm not going to hold IT against sushila because he also loves slaughter. Did you become the chairman of the sloth committee?

So about ten years ago, a little more than ten years ago, when I was working for a pack, they wanted us see a lot of gifts and I was glad because I like the internet and I ended up ah just falling in love with slaves.

You see slaves gives everywhere and there's this one, the flows giving a flower, two woman, and for flows, the flowers like chocolate and i'm like, oh my god, to self less and sweet and you just fall in love with them and they're so cute. And i'm also an associate fellow at the slaw institute, where I boy at the government for sloth related things. I actually do things for them.

真的 没有 really a sloth institute in costa。

yeah. Oh.

and you for the coastal ican. Government, know the U. S.

Government for sloth imports because they don't want to release the the limit database. Cause if IT basically as like trophy, like elephant trophy, yes, but IT also has slows and no one cares about the slave data. So the the us. Fish and mudd life services like yeah.

you can have the sloth names, that is the documents or anything like that there.

But I did that and I created a way of south related inspections. A across across the U. S.

You really did that. That's awesome.

yeah. yes. And they they were cited in the new ork time citing my data. We still haven't published IT yet. They can be a little slow sometimes, honestly, which matches, but but they do incredible work. They're really good to its loss protection, and i'm glad I can help them.

Shah anna is a mattar hoo for fun. Climbs forty percent great aid. You can find her at senator shoshana on x dot com and there's lots of links there to her various things.

And of course, you're work at our street, at our street that org, where you've done some really good work, especially on I really like the age of verification stuff you've done. I hope that listens to you. That's all like they .

don't usually listen that sometimes they listen.

so sometimes sometimes great. Great to have you. Thank you for being here to sha, and thanks for all you've done for the slaughter.

Really appreciate. They are they're wonderful. They move slowly, but that's OK, but they're never in a hurry, are they?

No, you shouldn't be amy web. I shook the magic APP ll and IT said, trust is that the future is today. The future is today. So live life to the fullest right now, embrace uncertainty and .

a great way to to end the show is today.

today.

Thank you. Because the future is the result of the decisions that we make today.

right? right? And today was the future yesterday. So in a way, yeah, it's very confusing, but at least i'm not in the same room as a dead body. Thank you so much for being here, amy. Web future today institute dot com.

I really appreciate all three of you really fun to do a show with you guys, especially in a day where there's not much to talk about because we get to talk about a lot of other things, which is kind of fun. Go vote everybody. Your vote matters not just and by the way, so much focus on the presidential election and makes me feel bad.

There's the local elections are even more important. Those the people who affect your day to day life. So yeah, you may go vote for president, but make sure you do the downtown lot voting too.

And in some states like california, that is not easy. If I want to start to early, do some research. Actually, I was really pleased to see, and I was to make this at one of our stories today. But perplexity, that AI, which is one of my favorite eyes, has an election site now where you can go and not only follow the election, but you can enter in your locale, see your ballot, and they collects information from a lot of different sources, non part of information from a lot of different sources. So IT helps you vote.

So if you haven't yet cast your ballot, trying to decide on those initiatives and propositions, not just the top of the ballot, but the lower dow parts of the ballot, there is a lot of information on here and it's good information. You can see the source. It's not that AI generated summary.

You can see the the source. I think perplex is done a great job on this. So that's perplexity that AI it's free to users of link to their elections. Sign on there.

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