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It's time for tweet this week in tech abra or hei lisa at a chico and dan patterson, join me to talk about the twenty third birthday. Yes, IT was today, twenty three years ago, that the ipod was born. We'll also talk about the big winners in the two thousand and four twenty four presidential election.

I give you a hit. Wasn't the president IT? Was cypher, currency and row blocks? Easy a threat to our children are a great way to learn to program all that more coming up next on twitter.

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this is to IT. This is twit this week I tech episode one thousand five, regarded sunday of embro tenth twenty twenty four, one hundred twenty five thousand dollars in bad gets.

It's time for tweet this week in tech, the show that covers the week's tech news. And I love this panel. This panel all of us have either worked for or currently work for.

Seen IT completely by accident. A bra alete is here. SHE reports on technology for seen a ha bra hello, how are you well, as well as one could expect, you know, i'm doing alright, but are you you're .

wearing a fabulous sure and i'm jeff. I wish you had told me that you were going to work.

It's arabi. Color the .

clothing. I really got to stop IT up .

next time. Yeah no, this is, I tell you when I first, when I was in the studio, I would always wear bright up laser in a dress, sher in a button down short and kind of office casual look. Yeah, but in here in in the attic is so colorful.

And I thought, know, so I I have about forty shirts that a listener sent has been sending over the years from a store in sama, ga. sama. And I went in churchill.

Every few months I would get a new bunch of shirts. And so I love these shirts. They're very colorful. They're made locally in the mexico with the patterns that reflect my culture. And I just, I IT makes me happy.

That makes me happy too. Thank you for wearing that for us.

Thank you. Yes, did you ever wear that on television?

No, they would have stop me. Yeah, the bosses would have stop me. That's the patterson. He is editor, director, black bird day. I and I could have over zd net, which is kind of sort of like seen net, but you work for seen that the day, right?

Oh, I sure did. I sure did. I don't think I snapped.

Like I went to work for other companies. I left cbs, but I continued. Like, like, now you can't stop working for saying IT never.

none. Nobody can because they're so dominant. In fact, a bra works on the same team as lisa at a cheetos. Your editor has seen, at least we haven't seen you as so long. Hello.

hello. Yes, thank you guys for having me back.

It's been a while so long that he lost the microphone.

It's very good under my piles of gadgets and the basement .

somewhere so well, you said fine and lovely to see you as well. Senior editor at scene t so IT is kind of alumina gathering. I was, I was talking about this before the show.

The forth employee i've seen back when I just tossing minor and a few other people. Didn't work out, but that's a long story. We don't need to go into that.

You know, IT today is all I was going to pull this down off my shelf. Hold on a second. IT might be with your microphone in the basement. But long.

you never gone to live that down. This, I hope you know, I know you.

I know I did this to myself.

This ipod turned twenty three today.

Wow.

eyes in the fields.

I bet you a bra. Lisa, don't even remember the first ipod.

remember? I don't afford IT.

I I I was like in parly six great at the time, but I remember I was like what the rich kids had oh yeah but I did get and I pod shule a couple of years later and that was my starter apple device.

So the so afford one, but I had a dell pocket. D J, S.

that's af. I'm so sorry.

leo. I bought an I river h one forty because you could pluck a microphone into the top, and thus began my podcasting career. Wow.

you were podcasting. You know, I river yet this was not my first mp three player I had. So they called the diamond rio. Yes, that that thing was awesome.

yeah.

And had played out table books, which is the main reason I got IT. I had spent years commuting, two hours, sometimes four hours, a data seen that, i'm sorry, CD TV. Which kind of what's seen IT.

Anyway, it's a long story. It's very ancestors. But anyway, and that commute almost kill me, or listen to books on tape.

But they came in boxes of cause sets. And when auditable came along and said, oh, you know, you don't have to have a boxing assets. You just need M.

P, three player at all. This is great. This was member Steve jobs. A thousand songs in your pocket.

And one of the things that made this possible was there was a little hard drive, a little light, tiny match book size hard drive inside this um which the manufacturer of turn ever was a cana who made that first started couldn't figure out where the marker was of t that they were close to discontinuing IT when Steve jobs came along and said, we want to make a music player that can hold a gig, a bite and at the time I cake a bite of of you know, flash rm would have been obsessed, expensive. So they've found this hard drive, and they put IT in here. And I became the first really popular.

I would say this was apple's first consumer hit, right? Not the apple two, not the mac and touch, not the imac. This because .

I think IT was for everybody, right? IT was like as a child due hear about IT, right.

because of all the cool kids had one and IT six grades .

and IT was like, yeah yeah in the error before. Like, you know, cell phones being like, I mean, people have cell ones, of course, but like, I don't know before the smart phone, I feel like the ipad was like the first like device that you had that you were like proud to show off, like a brother was saying, like a kind of major look, cool. Everybody wanted one. I feel like I was like that. I consider IT to me like the first like, really like consumer tech gadget that kind of started the era that we're in today.

Abba, really, for everyone, is such a key phrase because apple was this cool, kind of smaller company, but apple people were their own. IT was its own culture, and IT was a kind of in its own universe. And the ipod really was for everyone IT IT made people on windows want mac devices or or apple devices, yeah.

And this, of course, inspired the iphone in summer respect. Remember when Steve jobs introduced the iphone in two thousand and seven, he showed up with a phone dial on IT first. Then he said, we've invented an ipod phone and then he said, no, I just joking and showed the remarkable iphone two thousand and seven. That was, of course, the biggest consumer header for apple. But this rocker, the rocker, yeah, the motor, a rocker which predated the iphone IT .

was IT was the first introduction of itunes on a mobile device. Yeah.

the ipod came out on this day, november tenth, two thousand one. Wow, I was totally got my dates wrong.

Then i'm thinking about I was not in six grade in two thousand and I was in first grade um but six was the first time I remember people having one I think yeah this .

was dad this was not this was i'll take you one of the reasons this was a nh product at first just because IT only worked with a mac. Yeah see IT has a firewall .

port .

on oh my god yeah .

so that was um not for everyone, not for everyone. IT wasn't until his employees convinced Steve jobs that to make itunes for windows that he really took off.

So this was just really for everyone.

Yeah, then that really was exactly. This was just for the few. The Hardy IT was, I think he was to see, but actually they made the hard drive that made this possible.

Anyway, happy birthday to the ipod. And this is a good time to think about your first ipod, to think back in time. I'm glad I kept this.

Actually, you know, what's funny is every once a while, I plugged in the firewire cable and see what I was listened to in two thousand one and and I immediately disconnected, say, oh, never mind, never mind. I think he was Britney spears. I give me baby one more time.

IT should .

be yeah, yeah is to a thing. Yeah, yeah.

yeah. I was yeah.

IT was, yeah was a one point eight inch drive made by toshia. Thank you. A key.

I think you're right. IT was the first that didn't exist. This wouldn't exist. So also.

the reason this is called the podcast.

oh, I you're right to our producer, is pointing out this gave the name to the shows that we do podcasting. I never always hated them in podcasting because IT and employed the ipod. And in the early days, you, I didn't have to listen to this because we are my first.

My first pocket was two thousand and four, three years later. And IT really was a podcast that was the only you'd have to download on your mac. And then signalize IT using itunes to your M P three player, your ipod, so you can listen to IT.

You can use others know, I had the juice podcast receiver. That was, I think, OK thing. I was a team member like the podcast ally in podcast pickle days, and adam curry had the daily source code, dave wine or head morning coffee notes.

No, I know of that .

at all.

No, first I do. I, I was one of the first general. Yes, many of us.

the listener, you, not the leo you.

I was around back then. I really was alright, enough enough a memory lane. Apple actually in the news because without telling anyone, they when they released IOS eighteen point one, they change the code so that if your iphone isn't unlocked for a period of time, it's switches off, which the police don't like so much because that means the clock starts ticking.

When they get an iphone, they can't, you know, because if IT unlocks, you got a problem. The story from josef cox in four or four media on thursday, four or four media reported police were freaking out about mysteriously rebooting iphone, which caused iphone experts to look at the code in eighteen, one which came out last week and say, oh yeah, this is a new code in my my holding that up. I'm sorry, this is new code in the iphone.

I'm confusing the to which reboots IT. This is interesting from marvel. It's interesting to that I .

mentioned the phones communicating with each other and then signaling yeah each other to remote that's just .

I hadn't heard that tell me .

about that yeah I read somewhere that um in some way they kind of just communicate with other phones and send a signal and then the other .

yes so I imagine to be somewhere to like how to .

fine mine network yeah yeah yeah.

So what's the theory there? IT, we've been captured .

like IT.

Release, release us.

This sounds like a pixar film. guys. This needs to IT like.

That's into I didn't see that. So as apple admitted that it's I think it's it's finally said yeah yeah we yeah we did that um IT is Better for your security youk apple can make the case oh well if you phone is stolen um and IT gets ship to china they won't be able to no you still have to unlock IT right what .

is the theory or yeah if .

once it's rebooted, IT reboots into a locked mode L I guess one of the problems and this was the first reported the wall street journal by joe in a stern with people's shoulder, surfing you after you unlocked your phone and noticing your code. But that wouldn't work either IT would have to be that you had unlocked IT.

They grab ed, your phone and then they kept doing this as they went down the street so the phone wouldn't lock right where the police grab your phone and maybe the police have some sort of giggle finger. I'm going up and down screen. The cops definitely .

have a gigged finger.

They have a trigger finger or as as it's professionally known, a ouse gigli and and then what keeps the phone going to sleep? That wouldn't work either. I don't know who this, why would police be upset about this?

I don't understand yet. I should have done more research on this story. But IT IT just broke from seven.

Yeah, definitely seems like a like heart of applyed anti theft measures. But yet it's hard to kind of place exactly the benefit of .

IT in and why are police upset?

Yeah, I guess the chAllenge is the phone locking like you mentioned. So whether the phones is honour off, it's still going to be locked. So yeah, I don't know. But this does remind me of like a new thing speaking like anti theft updates.

I guess there's android fifteen and also has like a new thing where if your phone is stolen, like if someone swipes IT from your hand and like runs off, IT can apparently detect that and automatically lock the film. Yeah, I have not tried that thinkingly. I haven't had to see whether IT works.

but IT notices that somebody running with your phone, I guess, yes, and no longer in your possession, and the apple would add these technologies.

the phone, yes. I mean that this as a consumer, just gives me a little more sense of bees know, especially not you don't have to report some place where they want to take your phone to appreciate pictures like this, but even if it's a lost or stolen, that this gives me a great sense of these yeah.

all right, there you have IT. All right. I started with kind of more toy story stuff, Candy store stuff because I what I am nervous about going forward on twitter, I want people to have a little respite from what has been a very difficult election season.

And I think sometimes tech can be that respect. It's fun. It's interesting.

There's lots to talk about without talking about politics. There is an intersection, however, between tech and politics. So we have a few stories that are related to the election.

I don't want you to experience to hear anything. We're going to move through them fairly quickly. This is not a partisan panel and we're not going to be partin about IT. But there are some a stories you won a story for zd that down about how the election will determine text future. Now you wrote this the day before the election I wrote .

IT like I I mean, I was working on in August and september, you know, one of the most generous thing, things about the story, and this was frazee, that it's about tech policy at the partisan ship. And IT was one of the hardest stories i've ever written into stories. I'm not saying that hypothetically, 嗯， many of i'm sure you know, uh, lisa and a you're pretty familiar with a sourcing process when you're doing a tech story.

Often I called people who are kind of in my stable, and I try to get first person on the phone and talk. And if that doesn't work, I usually write a like seven and ten question email and send IT to people who are reliable, who I know will um who are authority, tive and reliable and in this case I sent IT to, I think, eighteen people I had to want to go on record. Everyone else said, this is great.

I'm happy to contribute off record. I'm happy to help you understand from our perspective regulation. And some of those people were in dc, but most people were like, look, I just unexhausted. I don't want to talk .

about this and imagine how they feel today. I think one thing.

no, yeah, yeah.

I did one thing.

You think the stock markets are kind of waited on this. I think it's generally perceived as good for the tech. Look at all of the careful ceos who sent congratulation messages to present elect trump.

Many of them with big explanation Marks. Jeff basis, big congratulations to our forty fifth and now forty seven, by the way. interesting. They all used x for this yeah, formally twitter to our forty seventh president on an extraordinary political comeback at the decisive Victory.

All of them focused on the future, the prospects for the nation, no nation basis that has bigger opportunities, wishing at real Donald trump, all success in leading, in uniting the amErica we all love course bassos told the washington post not to endorse canale Harris in the days before the election. That probably was even more appreciated by the president elect, tim cook. Congratulations, president trump. Ed, on your Victory explanation, mark, we look forward to engaging with you and your administration, and i'll make sure the united states continues to lead and will be fuel by ingenuity, innovation and creativity. Subtext, what is he really saying in that tweet?

Please be nice to us and don't like that antitrust touch us in. Anyway, that's probably good .

news for the companies because that may be google because I don't think trump likes google, but I think most of the companies lena con's gonna gone from the ftc, the most companies probably say good. We can proceed with merges and acquisitions without being impeded by a regulatory bodies, right? Actually, I wouldn't .

be surprised if there was like a wave of acquisitions in the next four years because for that very reason now there's been a lot of scrutiny on, you know, acquisitions. And I do feel like at this point, I I of course, don't offer sure. But I would imagine that thought is okay. Like if we have plans or interest or know companies that we want to invest in or by like these, next four years would be the time to do that because we don't know what's going to happen after that 呀。

This is your chance, big chance right now. Sam altman, n, of course, A I I think there are a few real beneficiaries, AI and crypto, for sure. A M on president or start founder in the boss.

CEO, I guess, of opening up. congrats. IT was like, i'm too busy to capitalize.

I just type this out real quick. Congrats to president trump. Wish for his huge success in the job. In the follow up post, he said he forgot the part where you say, oh, america, it's critically important that the us. Maintains its lead in developing A I with democratic values. No, I look, I know is did you find them in your research that the trump administration would be very pro AI a one of the .

interest things the biggest take away is that anyone who says they know really does not know. It's difficult to get from the campaign any sense of, uh, policy when IT comes to A I and you really do have to just read tea leaves what IT comes to the the president elect, uh past statement. What I found very interesting was uh the chips act and uh this attempt by the biden administration to reassure A A lot of the the manufacturing and the technology that the process in the chain. Um I don't have an indication of what the next president will do with chips at but IT seems as though that is pretty aligned with much of his uh, retorted during the campaign if you're going to .

make amErica great again, you've got to a bring chip manufactured .

back I would think that right.

What does that mean? That's intel and AMD tsf C, A time when these company, I think you is somewhat critical. At least he's been in the promise. Yeah, it's not very consistent but in very critical of tmm c.

and we'll see what happens there. I mean, that's just a lot of this is so time to geopolitics that ah it's really hard to without knowing what their policies about china will be. It's hard to get a sense of what will happen with T S M.

C and taiwan. Well, it's hard for us to know what the right thing to do is in general, right? We have close ties to china economically, but they're clearly in adversary politically.

You know a taiwan is is a know, an unknown sitting in between the U. S. In china. China wants to take IT back and democracy .

and they want to be independent, right?

But china consider a part of .

their i'm gon yeah or russia considers .

cry me a cry me to be about their country. Here's the elon mosques. X when he call IT is A I can't call .

a tweet anymore.

so boring. But it's morning in america, he says, calling back to a Ronald reagan that was his campaign slogan, and then a clearly AI generated picture of the elon, including the american flag floating high above new york city. I don't know, since I see the empire state building the back, I don't IT maybe at one he's standing on the, I don't know what one world treats and I don't know what he's standing on.

So it's AI what doesn't need to be standing anything. Google CEO and arpa chic. Congratulations to president at real Donald trump. Not by the way, all of them were adding him on x, even though he posts rarely on x, mostly on his own. Trump s social congratulations to president at real dental trumpet is decisive Victory.

We are in a golden age, again of american innovation and are committed to working with this administration to bring help, bring the benefits to everyone. That's interesting. Such an adela CEO microsoft.

Congratulations, president trump. Are looking forward engaging with you and your administration to drive, oh, innovation. There's a world we haven't heard much for.

The drives new, creates new growth and opportunity. The united states in the world, they all feel like innovation is a word they really want to get in there. Michael dell, congratulations to president and tremens successful campaign election win.

We look forward, continue progress and opportunity. Did you mean innovation? And Michael, under his leadership and working together towards strong and unified future for all this is this is just smart business, though right now we could .

take a cross section of CEO and there all executives are going to say similar statements.

What I mean IT, oh, it's going to .

say kind of like A B matching earlier. I mean, in their rise is in their best interest to align themselves with whoever is in office because nobody wants to get to be the target of a big antitrust probe because that's been happening a lot in the last like five to seven years, more so than in the decade before that for sure. Um and that's one thing that's really been at the top of my mind, especially with a lot of talk and concern about A I regulation and A I being so unregulated um now that like we're at a point in time where A I is really part of like every single tech product that we actually use, I don't know, is interesting to see how things will play out. Like dance said, we just don't know yet.

It's just politician is just smart if you're going to do that.

And I think like we kind of mention trumps ideas and policies and opinions change a lot. And so I think a lot of these tech leaders believe that if they start now uh and trying to get along, then that becomes easier for them to achieve whatever their mission is. Um and so I think that's why we're seeing all these congratulatory ory posts. Um and I also saw in that uh, cnbc article that currently jeff basis has only twist twice this year. In both times they have mentions Donald trumps.

So that's kind of telling. I mean, bases and must both have space ventures. Space ventures, which means there's a lot of potentially a lot of money coming from the federal government toward them. I know basis would love for blue origin to beat spaces in this that I don't think they're even close to doing that.

It's very interesting. I mean, we can make jokes about the washington to post all we want, but it's interesting that business elected to use x as opposed to his own media accompanying make that statement.

They all use dex. Is that really a tacit admission that it's not just done trump you want to court, you wanted to court elon mux as well?

I think I think threads just kind of sucks like I don't know no.

it's not going to be friends, blue sky, and it's definitely not going to be massaged on. I understand that there.

You know what's so interesting about that though, do you let's flash back to twenty sixteen. I made a lot of hey back about ca and facebook and the social graph in order to uh at the time there were um uh claims that that uh our behavior can and would be manipulated or was manipulated um and you know social media in criticizing facebook was big business for several years um now it's we have just kind of lean into, okay, this is what happen we're in to post about our on ex.

You know by the way, there was a lot of concern before the election. We talked a lot about IT. We had alex Stevens on who for a long time where in the internet observe tory at stanford watching election.

This information there was real concern that A I would really become I remember this a year and how we're seeing well so here's from the washington post today AI. And this is recording a study from um this institute for strategic dialogue. Researchers noted that A I did not sway the election, that people didn't change their minds.

And I think this makes sense to me. Anyway, people didn't change their minds because of this information. Or A, I, although he does say IT deepen in the parties and divide. I think one of the things that is my opinion, i'd like to know what you think means tweet, post do, is to confirm your its confirmation bias, to confirm what you already have to leave you or it's a way of showing you're part of the tribe and can confirming, you know, that this is what you now you blackbird.

I this is my data. Is this my decision? We can your opinion at all. Well, I don't anna log role for my company.

but I have, you know, my friend.

I know a little bit about AI and A I disinformation and many of the goals and techniques. And I really don't like seeing articles like this because it's totally representations of goals of thread actors or bad actors. They are not trying to switch an election.

And we we know this. We went back to twenty sixteen in twenty twenty. The bad actors trying to influence those elections weren't trying to flip a switch or change the election.

They are trying. They had a larger geopolitical and strategic goals. One thing that more subtle goals.

maybe that wouldn't be so obvious as .

flipping well to to change, to reinforce views, sometimes to change views, but to play the long game in the big game. And look, let's not forget that there were billions of people literally that voted this year, not just the united states, but more than half the world's population voted in twenty twenty four. And when we take, we looked at all of us.

In fact, I just dropped in a link. We've been looking at this all year. We've been looking at election, this information in the role of artificial intelligence. And what A I has done is the same thing in cyber security.

In fact, now we find almost all cyber attacks have what we call a narrative attack or some sort of disinformation that's time to IT or um a use of narratives ranson where is a great a great example a naming and shaming you expert trade data and then you use that data to get additional information from your target um but what we see with narrative attacks that are targeted at elections is that there is not one big boogyman trying to change things for the bad. What we have, our agenda driven actors who all want different things in different regions, different countries, different counties, different cities. But A I has reduced the distance in friction IT is made IT easier to perpetrate um agenda driven activities at large scale very quickly.

Sorry, you again, that's a ant. And I always do this on the show. Italy.

I go into this place. It's your time. I mean that this is the story of blackboard dot A I vote twenty twenty four, the top narrative attacks disrupting global election stand rote this with them only common at blackboard AI.

So you're actually talking about the this is actually quite interesting because it's the different at narrative stories that are that are set about yeah and their impacts. And I think that's very interesting. You will stuck about AI flooding, something Steve ban and calls flooding the zone with pop.

I love my former employer. I am very close friends with many people there. But they started a disinformation desk with fact checkers, like every big news organization did. And that is a reading of twenty eighth century geopolitics.

You can t check the way you can fact check.

but many of these techniques are designed to flood to make IT. Just like you said, it's too, so much is so much in the zone, really, and that's another goal of this information. Well, I think I to increase cynical M, I don't really know what to believe all these politicians. They're just talking and I don't like any of .

just worked also worked .

in your tracking in taiwan and a lot of other places where this information and narrow attacks are being deployed.

So that's another really important point because we're unfortunately, we're in the us. Most of our contributors are in the us. So we tend to be a little us century. But there are there been elections all over the world.

This is happening everywhere in the world, not just in the us, is there? But it's hard if you if the goal is nebulous, it's hard to say, well, they're trying to do this. They're trying to do that. What are they trying .

to do then where there's no they, I say agented driving actors because there is no. I mean, in the case of, let's say, russia and nato and ukraine, there was a day and we know that it's putin and that it's easy to do a binary one in a zero. But I going to wait.

And maybe when IT comes to china in taiwan, it's it's an alga. But look, no, this is deployed. You look at what happened in anglade sh and in india, and you look at what happens, you know small towns and in cities and in counties, it's not one day.

IT is many of us who have access to artificial intelligence, and we can create information that reinforces our word view. And some some actors are more coordinated and have larger goals. But IT doesn't mean that it's one big buggy men against thread of us IT just means that all of us have to be vigilant against narrow attacks.

That's such an interesting perspective because it's um I think the way it's been framed has been that information A I or not, will sway people and make them change our minds. But I I really like that idea of we're already so fragmented and more already in our ego chAmbers and that will really reinforce whatever preconceived notions we have. And having factual information to back up, uh, information should always be factual, you know, have information to come to back up whatever your world view.

I also think it's interesting than what you're saying about like this just kind of amplifying technique like A I just kind of amplifying techniques that have already been used by you know bad actors or you know um people out there with specific agendas and interest because I think that's the biggest criticism about a lot of the fears people have about AI. Is that like hate, this isn't necessarily new. Photoshop has existed forever.

But what IT does is that IT makes those tools accessible to anyone. You don't have to have any technical know how or you just have to know how to push a button and on your phone in the same way you would push a button and to do anything else on your phone. And you can just generate an image completely .

from scratch and share IT OK. Lisa, you.

I think that was our biggest concern about A I was that would just make IT easier to flood the zone that, that wouldn't necessarily take any particular position, but that all the positions would have many, many more posts do. Then does anybody study this? Do we know how many bots were disinformation bots on x, for instance? We do we have any idea much of people .

study that I loved when you had alex on the show, I thought I was such a fascinating conversation.

And he left this danford internet observator works in the private sector now is see. So at set, no one, but he's still a great resource .

of information. I think the the rest is fantastic. I again, I don't want a log role, but my C, E, O was seen clad, is just a google search for, was seen collect and fortune.

He gave a talk last year early in the summer ah that was a really it's like ten or fifty minutes but I really frames this in a way that helps us understand like um our understanding of information is really based on facts and facts are fungible. Yeah that wasn't what he said perrache, but that was just a tremendous speech. Again, I hate coming on in. Log ruling is not not log growling.

Everybody's on here for their expertise and this is an area of your expertise. So it's not log growlin, it's just talking about something .

you know I hope would be helpful. Yeah, I really think what seem as tremendous in the speech that he gave is really IT visualizes IT helps IT helps me understand that the scope and scale of the chAllenge of disinformation.

interesting. One thing that did change very much, I think the number one source, certainly for her Younger people, is youtube. Youtube viewers watched eighty four million hours of presidential election day coverage on youtube, eighty four million hours as well.

That's yeah. Is that where you got your news? yeah. I have .

flipped between different networks on youtube.

Yeah, well, I watched on youtube TV because I I don't have cable, but I don't count that is watching youtube. I think they mean youtube videos, right? Well, maybe not.

Fox news is most popular broadcast streamed live on youtube, setting a record of one point one four million peak viewers, abc news trAiling behind with six h like half that six hundred sixty thousand big viewers, neilson reported the traditional broadcast and cable viewers to forty two million viewers. So there is a big still a big golf across eighteen television networks that is down more than twenty five percent from last time, which doesn't surprise me. There is definitely some burnout happening.

Fifty nine, fifty six point nine million prime time viewers. Fox, of course, our ranked all the other network's thirteen million of them watching fox. And the digital platforms stood very, very well as well. One of the advantages, according to a zarb, a BMP co whose product matter streams charts, is not just about watching any more people are actively debating in, reacting in real time, reshaping election discourse in the process. I guess that's where .

social networks like x come .

in and the youtube section tube as friends yeah I think there's like .

a couple of things going on there too. Like it's you for one know a lot of Younger people might not even own televisions that they are probably already used to getting most of their information and their news through places like youtube because they're watching on their phone to a lot of us have subscription fatigue even if you do on the television.

You probably don't have cable or you might not have access to those networks the way that you had in the past. So I think those two trends are certainly like, you know, a big factor in this. But also, I do think this election cycle in particular, I think, was so influenced by like online discourse, more so than many elections in the past.

And I was thinking about this really brilliant piece I read by tel, I know if you guys had a chance to check IT out, yeah, I use your mag. But ah you just had this great story about how, you know, republican rightwing influencers kind of galvanised these like giant audiences online throughout the election cycle. And I just I don't know IT was just one of those things that I feel like was a really mind blowing revelation. And this says nothing to do with youtube, but in the way IT does because a lot of know youtube is where people go to watch their favorite personalities, whether it's about politics, whether it's about tech, whether it's about anything. So I do think, you know, i'm not surprised to hear that, you know, election night viewing also happened on youtube.

I mean, that's and it's gonna bigger every four years, right? I mean, just inevitable. This is this is where every boddy's moving just an .

acute s that youtube has. I mean, it's one of the few I feel like that's just continue to become more relevant over time. And I do think it's really benefit from at least mantuan.

I mean, i'm in the second camp of people who owns a TV but doesn't have cable, and I even cross my mind of cable. And to be so honest with you, I just do not rely you never. And I feel like I should at this point because I don't want .

to have ten scription .

for and there are times where I kind of watch I had you know easier access to live TV but um but youtube always there and for I mean, I actually pay .

for premium yeah .

you have to otherwise so many ads and so know somebody in the twitch shed said pats, said h joe rogan interview with down trump at forty million views you know podcasting became very important in this cycle, not my show but you know other big podcasting became very important .

what is sixty minutes .

to ah that's a good question. Course they didn't have well, here they had Harrison. right.

big. I'll talk. We'll take a break when we come back. Big winners and losers in the election. There were some technologies that did very well. But I did want to mention, by the way, I don't know, one point eight millions.

seven point eight start .

interpreted fewer that's really interesting, far fewer than joe rogan.

but really great. Proceed as is is IT. That's a good number i'm today. Guess that is, have you seen what's going on? Yeah.

I used to do live with regions and Kelly back in the day, and I was always four million people are watching. So seventh, good. It's not it's a fraction of the total.

It's nothing like joe rogan. I used a perplexity AI during election night, and I did quite well. I think it's something I used for search as well.

And they created I wish the'd created IT sooner in election hub. I wish they create IT because I had voted already by the time they created IT. So I couldn't use to do my research. But I think very cool what what they did. And I don't did any of you look at that or before voting or during the during the election night cover?

No, but they've really done in interesting content strategy move manuvers.

Yeah, there's they're not trying to be a chatbot. They're sensually trying to replace google, right? As is, by the way, ChatGPT. Now because they have searched as well, although it's not quite as forefront as IT is for perplexity that AI perplexity that I lash elections and let me just, oh yeah, still there. So this was I thought this was quite useful lot of information, including in my local races, which was kind of interesting as well.

No, I think this is a good at example of something that A I is very good at right now. I think there's also this perception that I can do anything and everything because there are so many new products and services coming out. But I think organizing vast amounts of data that you can present them easily is one example of how IT is actually useful.

Especially, yes, because you're pulling is what we call rag retrieval augmented generation. You're pulling from a known set of data that so it's harder to loosen. You can't make up stuff or you don't make up stuff because you pulling from a set of data.

Let's s OK. I didn't make up anything. Curse my cursy inspection didn't see anything completely wrong on that, right? Let's take a little break that's IT for well, I want to talk a little bit.

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Appreciate your support. Thank you. Look at so um president elect trump did go to the bitcoin conference, changed his mind a little bit in the past. He said bitcoin is bs.

But he said, done, we're going to make amErica bitcoin country he was very and you know what, he was a smart move because there are quite a few bitcoin billionaire and millionaires out there who I think supported in doge coin. Another mean coins also did very well. Coin hits, what? Seventy five thousand dollars per coin mean.

Coins surged on wednesday after the election. There is a doge which, as remember you on, must kind of liked doge coin surged ed fifteen percent chibi six percent in a big coin exam. So i've got to seventy six thousand dollars.

why? what? Why is the bitcoin? Why are the the crypto currency folks happy about personal like trump? What is he gonna for them? One thing he said he was going to do with this fire, gary, against lor, the chairman of the security and exchange commission, has been a little bit heart on bitcoin.

According to bitcoin supporters saying it's a security prosecuting people for securities violations, i'm sure got trust said at twice he was going to fire cancellable i'm sure he'll put in somebody but IT wasn't just trump. For instance, bernie marino, who is A A bitcoin executive, defeated the chairman of the house banking committee for for the senate banking committee. M sorry, I think that this was a very much a pro crypto currency election. Yes, nothing to say here.

I was going to say the things that way based on the coverage. I'm not a huge a crip to person. I don't follow crip to that much. But you .

Better start.

apparently, I Better .

start bitcoin sorry, is now eighty thousand dollars the easy .

answer is the regulation again, it's like deregulation .

yeah .

that's exactly what .

I was to say .

like adding on to what you're saying. But that's my as an encyclical person that .

is my take yeah deregulation. Nobody saying it's a security but did didn't. This is one of things that puzzles me because one of the advantages of regulation to the incumbent is IT pulls up the latter for new players, right? It's one of the reasons OpenAI and other AI companies have asked for congress for regulations when the reason mark zuker g get meta keeps saying regulate us because that makes IT harder for competitors to arise. yes.

Well, you know when I say deregulation, i'm using that kind of as abroad catchall. Um you know h the by administration has uh enacted more stringent regulations than perhaps the trumpet administration would. But really what IT is signalled to the market, what we saw, of course, with the rise of cypher were a bunch of associated scams.

There's just all kinds of there is a core technology, uh, the block chain in in crypto technology and there are a number of of um less than desirable business people who are drawn to that. And so when I say deregulation, what I mean is that what we kind of saw broadly over the last four, five years was a number of state, local and federal laws, not just regulations, but laws um and and we saw law enforcement kind of go after the scammers. I think what we could see is a relaxation of that. I'm sowing down a little bit because I really don't know, but I think that, that was kind of the mood in the climate and that has shifted pretty rupil.

Yeah, detroit has announced that it's going to accept cyp do for tax payments. Now one of the problems when the reasons bitcoin and other cypher to currencies have had a hard time making as a currency is opposed to a specular security is that it's so oil, and you don't know what it's worth given moment, not to mentioned gas fees converting IT detroiters avoiding this because they're going to take the crypto Price at at its current Price and immediately converted in the dollars to minimize the risks. This is from a descript dot 点 com to minimize the risk of crypto Price voluntier ity payments would be converted to us dollars on paypal before reaching city accounts。

So then I gonna glass hands, hold.

not die in the moon .

to the moon. Dion hands. Dion hand, i'm sorry, got my hands back.

although I thought you were making to play on diamond hands like they're not very good.

I mean, yes, that's actually right. That was clever. That's of course you didn't know. Of course.

that's all the time. I didn't realize paypal was a cypher exchange. So a paypal, you can buy, hold and sell bitcoin, a theoria bitcoin cash on and light coin coin. I did not realize that another.

but that's got to .

be for people. yeah. So anyway, this is an interesting move. Detroit is partly doing this because they want to bring blockchain innovators to town, right, to try needs business investment.

Blockchain technologies have the potential to drive greater accessibility and efficiency, says Justin on wendo, who's detroit the director of entrepreneurship and an economic opportunity. This isn't the only place where this happens of apparently colorado to utah. And lousianner will accept cyp to payments for certain public services. I think that's kind of surprising. I didn't expect that I am .

been a much about cypher a but I do think gets I mean a good for detroit for trying to figure ways, you know yeah yeah.

read the engine .

exactly that one. You say you are .

clever if one were cynical, which of course i'm not. But if one were cynical, one could also say bitcoin allows people to donate two elections anonyme sly.

oh, oh, you won't. That's good.

It's actually what we know now that as much as one hundred million dollars from the bitcoin, from crypto currency fans went into a the trump campaign. As long as money is such a big part of american elections, there will be many ways to get around limitations.

This is by partition though. I mean a number of democratic legislators, uh, accepted gypt to currency perfectly above the board, but were procreate to over the last half decade. Yeah I mean, like a non scammy way, or at least in ways .

that like I think get scan pass every scary right right? Um so shared I shared what's his last name? I don't know.

I can't remember. I shared Brown, who is the chairman of the senate banking committee, was ousted by manny marino, who was a cypher executive. More add dollars flowed into that ohio contest than any other congressional races this cycle.

Heavy investments from the crypto industry, some say you, that was the key to marino's Victory. He was, he was losing in the polls until shortly before this, this money kind of float in. um. So they got in the cypher industry, got a congress.

I think the total number of members of congress that were procyon to elected was one hundred and fifty three as a number I remembers seeing compared to a much smaller number of anti crypto or less the solid cyp to supporters. What would what would be a are the cypher currency community? Do they want the united states to move to a digital dollar? Is that what they're going for? Is that a good idea? Okay.

we're going to get off this, I told me.

enough. Anyway, watch with the interest because there's you know was a lot of money spent by the crypto community into the election. And the brian armstrong says the us.

Voted for two hundred and fifty seven house candidates favoring digital assets. He's the chief executive of coin base and says IT is the most crypto congress ever so get ready. Um you know I have mixed feelings about this.

Um I understand the power of block chain and know i'm not completely convinced that is in fact it's all about getting money into the hands of the unbanked. I think it's a lot more about speculation. According to armstrong, americans went to the vote partly to show their this taste for how the sec have trying to strangle the industry for years.

He said. The country fully reputed the worker senator Warren and gary against tried for years to unlawful, fully kill our industry. The next congress will be the most procyon to congress ever stand with.

Crypto voters showed up and forced to help like proscriptive candidates and almost every district on both sides of the IO two hundred and fifty seven elected in the house. It'll be interesting stand with cyp to which is an industry group, obviously gave travel a rating. I think this is the next four years are going to be very proper pto.

I don't I don't know what that means. You know, I think a lot of us in the tech community become of anti crypto because IT seems to be it's empowered ransom. Where right become the you?

I think without crippled without bitcoin particularly, ran somewhere would not have taken off in the way IT has. It's been used to kind of hidden payments, anonymous payments in politics. And I think often it's been used to take advantage of less sophisticated investors. People could put crypto in there for a one k now I think that's a terrible idea.

Si, yeah.

but you know, I saw somebody on x say, well, all you people didn't like crypto all this time. Your losers, i'm rich.

They're not honestly.

i'm rich, right? That's great. Let's take a break. We will drop this crypto thing. We're going to drop IT. We're going to go talk about at an AI that's much more interesting in just a second.

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This blew me away from today's new york times in the AI robot painting sold at auction for one point one million dollars. The craters of robot named I dh. IT depicts the british mathematician alan turing as the caught artificial intelligence.

Here's the painting, oh, okay, sold at auction for one point one million dollars. The experiment was the brainchild of a den meller, or interesting, a ida aten meller former gallery. sts.

Living outside of oxford is work. The team of the thirty people, you have to build a robot because you need something not to think, press. I guess the robot is dressed like a woman with a bob haircut.

H, you pronounce IT ada, because it's it's an an hour of vata loveless, a idea, but it's proust. Ada, eight, to love this, of course, the world's first computer programmer from the sixth century, Miller says i'm trying to adapt to this slightly surreal moment. The painting, which depicts turning as the god of artificial intelligence, was offered as part of sofa's es digital art sale.

They thought I would sell, I don't know, about one hundred twenty, one hundred eight thousand. And which, if he asked me at the time, I said, no, I pay one hundred thousand for that IT got twenty seven bids, was sold to an anonymous ire. I'm gonna bet a crypto bro. I'm just guessing from the united states I .

went to be rich.

Well, might have been an investment because if you think about IT, this is is the first AI painting. And to sell the auction for more than a million dollars.

This is history.

This history you can say if, I mean, you could argue it's a robot performing the action is interesting as a novel.

It's novel is a good art, is I guess it's, here's a picture of ada, the robot with a bob haircut. And here's mother paintings. I guess that should we say, SHE, IT, what do you think? What are her pronounce? You know.

What might be interesting here is if you are a painter IT.

theoretically.

what you produce is finite. You are only capable of producing so much, right?

Yeah, you any world, and you have a warehouse of people suck screening here. Thank think it's over and over.

Maybe this is andy world, and maybe this people .

were very critical of the warehouse, right? Of any warhorse was making a statement. He saying, this is the industrialized of art.

That's what eight is, right? Like like the robot campaign all day .

and it'll always be the same wants to be like, I guess you could just have to repeat, but like as a human, you'll never be able to repeat something exactly the same again. I wonder if there's a way to would they I just feel like do that again. I know also things for .

yeah and do IT and like a different color, different ways. I do think it's interesting because and not to like play devils advocate like I do think there's a lot of really important concerns and questions around the creative industry and AI, but it's it's called the knesset. Someone embracing IT in a way that I guess enhances their are verses, you know feeling like it's taking away from what they do.

So this is the process, by the way, melis going to take the million and put IT towards making IT a Better. This is the process though, which is, I think it's almost a human robot collaboration. So a at the software, at ate at herself.

This is all in software, at first interpreted a photograph of torn, oh no, I guess, and then painted fifteen individual paintings based on different parts of his face. This is all from the new york times. The robot chose three of the robot chose three of the portraits along side of painting.

IT is made of turns bomb machine, which was a device they used to developed the enigma machine. The works within photograph. Ed, I guess humans did that and upload to a computer that used data language model to decide on the assembly of a single painting, which was then completed using a 3d textured printer。

Oh, okay, that seems cheating. This is a story from Zachary, so i'm reading zx writing here. Studio assistance helps to create a more realistic finished product on the canvas. Eia then added Marks and textures to the portrait to complete in meller said ata was supposed to prompt discussions about the ethics of artificial intelligence and had technology is changing our definition of who or what an artist can be. Can an artist not be a non human?

I think IT depends on how much a human was involved in like creating like this sounds like a human .

is involved more than than I thought.

Yeah exactly like even if like, let's say, a different example where maybe there isn't so much human intervention, like is coming up with the prompt ideas. Like is that part of the artistic process if you are, you know, creating something that involves typing promise to get a desired results to come out in a different way? I don't know. It's interesting.

Feel like， remember twice as old as both of you. I know you're an artist. You're musician.

I said this, I think the last time we talked about um the robot making are making like a piece of art is that I submit that the robot is the art and .

it's a robot I think mill, that's the art here is a human created a thing .

yeah that's the art there. I like .

that perspective. yeah.

GTA sad of that. I was going to say that there's no art without a human. Yeah.

right? And I think this is this whole, you know, A I race has LED to that big question of, okay, A I can do something, but do we wanted to do something doesn't mean something if it's created by A I and so that's why like this perspective because it's like, okay, look at this really cool thing that a human is able to achieve um but do I want the product of that thing or do I want something where they were? There were feelings involved in the creation of that and there was a lot of human thought. As a human, you're going to relate to other humans more than you would a machine. Um so it's it's hard to kind of IT doesn't matter how what you are, I think it's hard to be rain around the fact that A I could be as IT create something as avocat ative as you know what a human can do, right?

I think art is the one area where I has like a long way to go before humans will not be involved just because I don't know if you've ever seen like over the past few years, there's been like A I generated movie scrips and things like that, and it's all just so terrible that doesn't really make much sense. I think there's always going to be human orchestrating things, at the very least, whether it's building the robot or deciding know what kinds of prompts to enter into a machine or or something like that, at least that's my hope.

I use A, I is a creative tool every day. I use IT like a dobby creative club uh I mean I use for images, not just framing is no um for for to analyze intelligence to I would say right but you're right please. I mean you anyone who's tried to get A I to write for you is just garbage.

It's mediocre, right? Work along side. So I work with intelligence analysts, and their job is not to be writers, it's to be intelligence.

And less so they will often give me their findings, and I will. My most common prompt is organized these notes. But now I use, I use a combination process, but I use the claude, the in rope x cloud, A P, I.

I create a prompt to help IT create a prompt, because they will create a much Better and longer prompt that I can then feed into other AI systems that will give me a little more, not Better copy, not Better writing, but a little more intelligible and useful. But this is a process. And often i've thought if I, if I had an editor, this would be, this be a lot easier. If I just, I could hire a human.

would do a Better human. Well, right?

But words start up and and we just don't have the budget for that. But if I had a uh a like a managing editor who worked for me, I would be faster and Better. But I I, I hate to say this. I hate this so much, but that processes is kind of replace them engaging editor for me.

and a copy editor too.

and a copy dator. Oh my god, I like, I look, I don't have a copyright or I don't have a copy edit, so I have to use grammar pro, which is great. It's like a copy editor, but I so missed my copy. I at joy, at the net and SHE was wonderful scene, had wonderful copy editors, cbs news, commendable copy editors, who always made my work stronger. And now grammar, which is a tremendous programme, but IT just makes my work tighter.

Do you guys still have a copy editors?

But oh yeah.

and good .

for your publication. Don't let's just plugged or like like during .

yeah there. No, we need copy. Yes, I can copy when I go to a website, I know if there's a copy editor and not right yeah because there's typo. There's ungrammatical stuff you can always tell when somebody with as proof thread and copy edited something oh because when you're right especially when you're right for website.

you fast oh yes. And like I I love the saying that I learned on from a teacher, but there's no such thing as good writing. There's only good rewriting.

But not just that. You a second good writing, say again, that's really good.

That's so good.

That's no thing writing, only good writing.

No, that is perfect. Yeah.

yeah. no.

Make a poster, something like a lead graph .

and then you come back at daylamites are like i've written to lead them like that is so good and that is and the next year. So for .

those .

of us .

who are not what is IT or writer, what is a copy editor.

do a copy editor um will look over your writing, your copy and sometimes that can be as simple as making sure that you know periods and question are on the right place. But I could also be, hey, i'm seeing like a loophole here like I feel like this is something we need to address. You have a quote or any type of information that can kind of fill in this gap here. They're kind of the final check before IT goes out .

into the public or if it's not a logical flow maybe or you left out .

around .

exact I see a lot of movies where I feel like they needed a copy here because there's a gapping hole in the bloodier.

Well, that's also to above point, that's like what a really good copy editor does. I feel like I know sometimes copy editors really do just look out for a grammar and punctuation because maybe it's a breaking news moment and that's all they have time for. But again, I will get off. I think we've been on copy editing for too long.

But no, this great because they .

do story at IT. Sometimes too, yes, they're like a good you know usually your editor knows what you're working on and what your stories about so they might not catch something that maybe like the average reader wouldn't understand, but the copy does well. So yeah, lots of love .

for the copy as I was red watching A T, V show of funds, a corona disclaimer last night and there was escaping ing plot hole, no spoiler. But there's a bad guy at the hospital who's about to kill this woman son. And this woman is racing to get there to stop him right? Then she's frantically texting her husband saying, i'll let him in and i'm thinking, I just call the hospital and stop them.

Just call the nurses station, say, don't let this guy in. I don't want him to see my son. But then you don't have the chase. You don't have you don't have running thly. There's a copy editor.

We've seen that exactly.

although so there's this here.

I get to say rain ali exceeded who edited the story that we talked about earlier. They both did exactly what you talked about. This said they found areas of the story that I was like, oh, you're right.

Like IT really is not very good without these suggested changes. Yes, thank you. Except change.

I did think that there weren't a lot of copywriters left. I did think that there maybe it's just your big publications .

like seen that may be the new yorker I D the publications .

don't .

checkers you guys have I wish you did.

I mean, we work but yeah but the whole point is .

not that you can't do IT, but just having a second person look at IT is so valuable. I think the only .

time we had one was back when we had the that magazine row, and they shot that down a few years ago. But there was somebody who would kind of go through and really make sure everything was a because he was in print, right? You can't change IT in print. So that that was really, really helpful. But I got, I wish more republicans had a budget.

I wrote so the A R P magazine, because i'm all asked me to write a column, I end up not doing IT because one endor said, can you make IT more techy? But his boss said, can you make IT less techy? And I figured, this is not gonna be a good marriage, but the one or two pieces I did, right? I got multiple calls from fact checkers and and like I say, okay, now this and I said i'm links and then they say, no well and they would follow up IT was its kind of a pain is .

the publication .

before and I ve gone through that process as well. I've had to like in some cases like share like transcripts of my interviews for fast tracking purposes but yeah honestly, I still do that myself just because i'm a little bit everything .

yeah and IT is .

helpful because again, having that second pair of eyes, like sometimes as the writer, as the person that's closest to the story, you think, okay, I know this is right, because this is how I found that fact. And you know, this is, i'm convinced that is correct. But sometimes having another person to just read IT that's not attached to the story.

look at IT, is very A I do that as well as a human .

dout IT I don't think .

so because I think so much of journalism that um know maybe people who aren't journalists don't understand is like the way that you phrase something even if it's such a subbed difference IT can completely change characterization of a piece of information and those like sudden new ones I don't know if like a machine whatever able to do that.

Ah this is right. Nuance art is in the nuance.

I also worry about bias from A I right because it's like as journalists we have a really huge responsibility to not project to bias is there in a word choice or what we choose to can be and I don't know if A I is there to be like maybe don't say that .

you know like i'll give you another quote when I see yeah when I see A I painting or A I writing A I singing i'll give you a quote from a Joanna manchester a who is a writer in an artist on twitter. He says, I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so I can do art and writing, not for my AI to do my art and writing so that I could do my watering dishes.

Yes, i've seen that too. Yes.

it's a great quote. It's he has been around for a long time since the spring. But yeah what keeps coming up if it's not making .

the things that I don't want to do easier, why is IT taking away the fun things like I don't want to have an I I to have fun, just make sense.

Yeah, I do think I can be helpful for like learning like if you are learning a new hobby or a new skill and you don't always know where to start or if you're just like no, like for example, like I used to play guitar a lot and I Young ger, I don't play as much anymore but if I pick up my guitar and don't know where to start, I can ask ChatGPT we're like an easy cord progression or something like that and then i'm still doing the thing but i'm using A I to like help me figure out like what I might wanted play I think yeah.

I go head. I'm sorry I was .

going to say I think what i'm realizing more and more is how A I averse i've been because it's like it's been like a stance for me like no, I will not consult A I for anything but I love seeing these kind of like less um um apocalyptic takes on yeah .

I think maybe you should reconsider because I think the key is not avoiding A I but using A I in an appropriate way yeah for .

sure almost .

always that the in partnership with human right IT .

seems like I .

mean that's my cancer least yeah I son .

article about a is being used more and more in medicine and hospitals, but for instance, in radiology, reading x rays. But the doctors who do that said, but it's really important that the human still be in the loop that this is a it's like driver assist. You know, you can't take your yes, off the wheel or at least you can take your eyes off the road, but you can let the AI do some of the work.

And I think that is an area that's so promising and has so much potential for good because i've seen you know reports about how I can detect things like cancer very, very early on. Um and I I understand the doctors who are now obviously wanted make sure that the the important the importance of their work is still recognized and where this really where transition period that's only just beginning and figuring out how to baLance all of that.

I have a friend with a Younger person in ni, enthusiastic and a physician. And what I proposed to him and I think he kind of liked was one of there's two doctors kind of have two jobs. One is as a diagnostic, which really requires memorizing of a lot of symptoms and their causes, right, and of getting IT all on your brain.

The other job is the human element of that, which is relating to the patient finding an appropriate cure or finding appropriate drug. And I said, I proposed that, but maybe the AI would be a Better diagnostician Better at saying, well, here's the medicines and the treatments we use. And then the doctor becomes the arbiters and the translator of the AI work.

And he seemed to think that that was a pretty appropriate use of ai. He does use AI in transcriptions. I think most physicians now do I know, mind does. And he says, you always want to review IT you?

Oh yes.

Memorialized IT make IT permanent. Yes, I think that's .

a good example of like A I being assisted and not necessarily like replacing what a doctor does, but making their job easier. And also A I has been used in medicine for like a pretty long time, or at least the research has been happening like way before this wave of like generate A I ChatGPT developments. So I do kind of trusted a bit more too, because I I feel a lot of the stuff that i've seen, at least around A I and medicine, has to do more so with a computer vision and these other technologies that have been explored for a .

long time versus no generate A I A big Victory for OpenAI at one in court a number of news outlets suing over opening using their content for training ross story um which was acquired by alternate twenty eighteen suit OpenAI sam IT missed articles from news outlets rosty an alternative to train his large language models. A new york federal judge thursday dismissed the lawsuit.

Judge colima man said that the alex could not show enough harm to support the lawsuit but did say you can file a new complaint, although he was, quote, skeptical that they could, quote, allege a cognizable injury, and quote, in other words, who is IT harm? What's the harm? OpenAI said.

We build our AI models using publicly available data in a manner protected by fair use and related principles and supported by long standing and widely accepted legal principles. This was a loss file last february. They said thousands of their articles were used to train ChatGPT and then IT reproduces.

Their original material went prompted. This was the crux of IT with over the new york times as well. With the new york times is you don't have to read the new york times. You can use OpenAI to write the paper but IT IT is pretty hard to get OpenAI to regardant its training material at at whole, whole cost. In fact, um you have to jump through many prom tubes to do IT court ruled in their favor.

I think it's interesting as the judge essentially saying, you know europe said about uh, this issue of the copyright information being removed and fat into this when maybe what you're really worried about is GPT using this uh, information are not paying you for IT. So maybe how you should a lot right interesting to see you then just point that out.

Maybe that yeah and I I think that is a big part of IT like leos. You're not going to be able to get ChatGPT to like reproduce an entire article from you know, a website that you want to read. But what IT does mean is that you know, this information, all of this like reporting and writing and research that the new york times did, is being used to create like an entirely different products at the new york or to improve an entirely different products that has nothing to do with times. So or whatever outlet IT might be right because there's like multiple lawsuits.

And this, yeah, if you go to perplexity AI election site, you might be doing that instead of gone in the new work times election I understand theyd be more worried about that than now judge with man I think really saw through um what raw story was trying to win here he said um let us be clear about what is really at stake as you said, a bra, the alleged injury for which the plane of truly secret dress is not the exclusion of cmi but the use of plane of articles to develop ChatGPT without compensation they just wanted to get paid for .

yeah you know and to that larger point that you are making about not just recruitment, the article but the actual news in the reporting I just loaded the proposed ity APP I just updated um and under the discover feature IT is just a news website is right for you top stories, science attack, finance, art and cultural sports entertainment so this to me seems like IT would be a is greater .

competition .

I I should .

not admit this. I quite like perplexity that ai and I say that knowing full well that at some point it's gonna a podcast that will you know as no book elam does from a google google german and at some point IT might do a pockets is Better than mine.

do you know? Phillipps there? The life yeah is one of the good second life.

Yeah, really good guy. Very interesting guy. His son, to that point of AI creating podcast. His son did that last summer. We are chatting.

And if we were having this conversation about, like, well, I was going to take my job and he said my kid actually did something pretty unnerving. And IT is the top news stories of the day read, and I am sure uses eleven labs. But IT sounds like a fantastic news guest, and this was a year and half ago.

Imagine me doing now. right?

Yeah, right and right. Just like no book. L M, I can imagine that the soon this this show will be just our avatar or swearing anything .

or my it's just, it's my hope that I will be immortal ality for me because I have so much audio and video on record tens of thousands of hours that somebody will use IT to generate a AI. Leo, and I won't live forever. I'm hoping that's all.

That's my, a shakespeare and maybe the B N, A. I, you know, you don't know, do you? You'd never know. Do you think shakespeare new that people would be reading him four hundred years later?

I think my, my two year old is going to have A, I friends. And I think we, I think my recently departed relatives are going to um i'll have conversations but .

couldn't be cool.

I don't want that .

feels very black mirror.

I don't want black mirror.

There's a company called my heritage and they um i've covered them kind of an offer with the years because it's very fascinating. But they basically let you upload picture of your disease tips, and then they anim ate their faces. And so creep had voices to them too. So we call .

IT nosti a yeah, yeah. I mean.

give IT five years a little a little advance of, like, let the processors advanced a little bit.

Yeah, we're getting close to that, aren't we? Eleven labs voices blow me away. And of course, they ve ve paid money to the estate of launch, Olivia and others so that they have actually really some really good sounding.

They're moving in the content too. I mean, they're they're new APP they just .

bought on the read IT later they the four user and I was a live distressed Oliver was like pocket where you would send yeah later but .

you wouldn't be .

Better if on the four then I collected everything I made a podcast .

yeah I mean, it's it's really what eleven labs is doing is really innovative. We can love IT or hate him, but it's really innovative. And IT is content and its content that is somewhat meaningful or interesting. There's also using the Sarah funds and IT comes across as though it's nuisance IT feels as though something created artifically it's the typewriter designed to evoke .

my feelings look, so I understand why humans don't like this. Are we right not to like IT? I mean, like this is the end of the world or we just like the the likes who didn't want jacket looms to replace their manual loons. Are we just fighting against the tide of technology?

I am. yeah.

You perplexity, I came up with a really good story. By the way, hackers demand by get ransom a ransome ware attack. This is not made up.

IT comes from the register in yahoo new's, malaysia. The ransom where attack on a french match, multinational shear electric is taken in unusual turn hackers to many payment. The form of one hundred twenty five thousand dollars worth of bag gets is very friends.

Would you going to do with them?

They'll be stale by the time you get through all this is the hell cat ransom, ransom where group?

So random.

Yeah, that was not on my bingo card.

See plexi. Although I have to say when you read that you go that's made up. That's that's an AI pollution inside for sure. I will fact check .

IT later.

It's too juicy not to know you know, I really I welcome our air over lords. I don't think it's gonna replace humans. What would be the point?

How are we feeling about? Remember two years ago, there was this wave of the first ChatGPT public release was available and make boston profile rose. And we are all talking about immortality and like the robots, they're so capable. Now I really feel like it's it's just, uh, adobe creative cloud is just another creative tool. How do you guys right?

Yeah, I kind of feel mixed about IT a sorry burge um yeah, I can feel mixed about IT. I do feel like there are certain things that A I can be really good at in areas where I do see promise. And then other times I feel like not only do the results not kind of live up to what we expect, but I also find that I have to go out of my way to like remember to use some of these tools like they're not very like natural yet.

They're not something that I think most people find themselves using on in everyday basis. And for me, I write about phones all the time. So my first thought is, like all of these new eye features we've seen and the last year, like do they actually make your phone Better? Do they actually help? Or is IT just kind of are these companies just doing this just to say they have an a iphone? Now I think it's mostly the latter, but there is a couple of things that are promising.

I I take a break, but we come back. I have an opinion about apple intelligence, which is slowly jumbling out to our iphones.

But we'll take a break and we'll come back and talk a little bit about that with lisa at the chico who covers phones and other things for seen that it's great to have you abra ht, who is on the same team technology reporter had seen IT and farmer seen IT zd net right, really still writes for seating net, which is seen in net sort of who owns? I can't remember to seating that on sea net. I think seating that own sea net now right?

Zip, Davis ones, everybody.

Yes, if Davis owns both a seen net and d net.

but sif Davis is not the sif Davis I used to work for for TV. That's a difference, a difference. But it's is a CD net which but is IT red ventures?

No.

no, no.

it's fy of us. Is is that .

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your private equity involved?

Apollo is come .

on it's so simply go come on I need a it's .

a drama and org chart. That's what I need. Damping terms ones also hear from blackbird ai but it's not an AI company is IT yeah we .

use a in effect, I would never say factor, but if you want to check things, compass that blackboard A I company that blackboard A I it's slow, but IT is great if you want to check the uh, veracity of any claim, any image, a deep fake, a mean anything.

Compass will check IT IT. He says it's real or it's provide, no, no.

no, no, it's way more complex than that. IT will give you the context we call IT a contact me with a contact jacker. There might be there might be like a sign bump air.

but all all there is, is IT used an industry or is IT used? Yeah.

I can I and i'm not on the business side, i'm on the editorial side, so I can speak. But yes, IT is absolutely used, not just an industry, but governments in large organizations.

How interesting. So I I can detect A I propaganda that well IT IT looks.

I mean, if you try to use IT and it's instantly understandable like you type in, I think way forward to you is the earth flat? No, no, it's no. It's is for amErica in ima get we might have something up for enterprise right now, but no type in like is the earth flat and IT doesn't just say yes or no. It'll give you a paragraph to be that explains with links and context what you are asking about and even complex issues like who's right this is really is a palestinians that's a really complex and heated topic IT will give you the context was right.

but I will be exactly .

with a deep fake. We are able to say, you know, this is A A manipulated or synthetic media, the, but what our AI really does, you know, we have a sweet of AI products, but what they really do is find not users, not networks. We find narratives.

We find this information themes that are crossing from chat apps, from social media, from the dark web, and we find how they are pushed in where these narratives go. Our artificial intelligence also works hand in hand with human intelligence analysts. So it's not just in AI black box, and there's a match of products on the site.

Of course, i'm not in business. I am on the editorial side, but i'm at this company because I believe in what we do. I believe in the mission and the technology and my daily job.

As I work with A I engineers and I work with threat the analysts, threat intelligence experts. And we AI is at the center of that. But IT kes IT takes a lot of collaboration.

But weirdly, I apparently already had an account because the metal logs.

though, I can't I can't roll any more logs, so i'm just .

going to have to that one I just signed up and they said what already have would .

account I might have put you on I might have like put leo like.

oh, maybe you did in the back end.

Okay.

so I I said the claim is Donald trump the election and now it's gathering data to tell me.

like I said, if IT might take some time. Compass is not fast, but I think we should. That's fine things to be fat. I want my speed. That's right.

yeah. In fact, it's one of the things that open the eye is saying is if you're patient ah, our models will do a Better job than if you want an instant answers. Yeah, take your time.

I used compass just as an editor. I come, I have IT open in a tab, and I just pace stuff in there all day.

every day. Well, I come back a after this word with the context of the claim that Donald trump won the election. I can't wait to see what he says.

I tell you something I do use all the time. I sure they brought you by mid mobile. In fact, you know, it's so funny. I been going through all of my cell bills and cleaning him up, you know, after we closed the studio.

One of the things I also did is go through a bunch of stuff that i've been paying for all this time and saying, you do, I really need IT. I choked when I saw my cell bill from the big Carriers. Fortunately, there was one cell bill i'm not cancelling.

There was a lot less my mint mobile bill, the same great service for a ridiculous amount of money. I would look, I love a great deal as much as anybody, but i'm not going to crawl through a Better high calls just to save a few bucks. It's got be easy. It's gotto be and no hoops, no bs.

Back in the day when min mobile said I was easy to get wireless for fifteen dollars a months, when you buy a three months plan, I said, come on but then I signed up and IT turns out, wow, they're not making this up IT really is that easy to get the same service you're getting for a hundred dollars a month, for fifteen dollars a month, hundred dollars of my saying, sometimes a lot more, sometimes the hardest part of the process is the time you spend on hold way to break up with your old provider. Trust me, it's worth IT do IT mint mobile is amazing and right now is the greatest time ever because it's fifteen dollars a months for the first three months, go to mint mobile dock com slashed twit, all three months. Plans for every amount date, including unlimited, are only fifteen dollars a months.

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The claim that Donald trump on the election refers to the twenty twenty four united says president into election where Donald trump, indeed one, gets commonly arrest according to multiple reputable sources, including npr and cbs news. And that goes on. Associated press also confirmed IT IT. It's this is great so you can put factual stuff in there and .

IT IT tells you, yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah right. I mean, it's a paragraph of context instead yeah .

a lot of context. Therefore, the statement the danna trump on the election is accurate in the context of the twenty twenty four race. Now if I said in twenty twenty, I probably give me a little bit of a different answer.

Yeah, it'll be more complex and more new and will probably give you a longer answer.

I like IT compass.

No.

yeah, I didn't realize was free. I must share. And I don't need a free bee. It's free.

right? Yeah, it's free. It's, it's not free. Bee for you guys.

It's, it's free, but I don't we're not really like we're not a consumer tech companies or we haven't been like promoting IT to consumers. And we've been we've been well, I that's what I D like. I want to talk about call stuff. I don't want to be promoting a thing.

No, no, no.

I asked you it's the journalist .

in me that's like I know .

you're cringing, it's OK. But I mean, really I was using .

this admire your integrity .

then you know just raise the journalist yeah .

you can you can take the journalist out of the magazine but you take can't take the that doesn't worth yeah here. Is that now? okay.

So I didn't mention in maxy. Curious what you think this to. Have you used apple intelligence yet?

Oh yeah, been using this for a while in beta before IT rolled out.

So I have a theory because IT is they rolled IT out and they only ruled out like three features, right? You get notification summaries, you get a document summaries and bullet points. I think that that .

has rewriting to you get .

a friendly the image.

So um you're thinking of a image playground. And jan mogi, yeah I just know this so quickly at the top and I had those are eighteen that two but eighteen that one has like if you want to remove something from an image or something like, oh yeah, yeah, yes, magic at IT yeah.

yeah. And that's where all the android people says, yeah, we've hand that for a company and show when you talk him. But what I think is interesting is apple is rolling this out slowly.

And the first IT seemed like, and I think people have said all just not ready. And apple sold these phones and you promoted this, but then didn't ship IT until a few weeks later. And eighteen two is, of course, rumor to be coming out in early december.

You know, I think they're smart. I think you know I have a google pix online as well. And I think when you get overloaded with too many new features, you don't use them, you don't know bottom. So there's smart, just pick a few. I love the message notification summary there, sometimes hysterically as as in the guy who we talked about a couple of weeks ago broke up with his or his girl end broke up with him and the summary was what's something like SHE broke up with you and he wants to stuff out of the apart.

It's very clinic goal. yeah.

But the guy said that acute no.

I totally agree though. Yeah.

I think they're smart. I think that doing IT a little bit of time is it's probably a lot of pressure on a company like apple when you have google and OpenAI and everybody and their brother and the anthropic pushing out all these features to say, yeah, yeah, we got all that and put IT all out.

But I do the one thing. I do think they're smart and I agree I also agree that the message summaries are the most useful part so far. I just publish a story about that like a couple of days ago actually .

but but yeah, sorry, I still so .

it's nobody. It's it's true and they are funny, inaccurate a lot of the times, but they're also good enough just to get the basic just across. yes.

But I think the the one reason why and this is a kind of specific to me, I guess, because as a reviewer, I do feel like IT is hard to really review the new iphones and say whether or not apple intelligence is a big deal or if it's worth upgrading for when IT doesn't feel finished and it's not like completely out yet. That said, I do agree that for general users is not very overwhelming. It's IT doesn't really feel like your phones very different. Um so I do feel like it'll make the learn in curve bit easier but and .

not scare anybody, right?

Yeah I think they are they benefit from the fact they're rolling IT out gradually, but I think IT was really just i'm not being ready like I don't know that's my I don't have any intil, but I just feel like if you're going to roll out a new phone, you would rather have the AI features ready to go.

but the phone is ready to go.

Yeah, that's true. And so I feel like maybe I will play to their advantage, but IT does not seem like something that would have been ideal to just have this like stage of, okay, for all roll out the iphone and then we will do the first phase and we'll do the second phase.

If they were ready, they would have rolled out at least the first phase at the same time as they ship the phone.

I think that would have been great, right? Like having that first batch. And then people are introduced to AI as they unwrapped their iphones sixteen.

And then they say, hope, but there's more coming. And then you get the second battery of people who are buying for the holidays who will then have the full picture of you. I think that I broad to .

that though. Like what does that mean to ship? Like we know the iphone launches on a day in september, but right, there's a whole window where people are upgrading, not just yeah we buy holiday first day but yes.

i'm still in my senate mode. I have apple upgrade .

programme and the like. As soon as IT comes out, I still feel like I can't get ready to write about what i'm not ready about this phone, but I do. I feel like much of the consternation about this was silly.

How how many times has apple released updates throughout the air? This is pretty common. I I really am not upset that I might get updates later in the year. I don't I just don't understand what people are upset about this.

Well, I think the problem is that wwdc and the iphone event were both so focused on an A I, and now I wasn't ready, right? So it's like they made IT a big deal.

made IT a big yeah, okay. And then we ate up .

the narrative and then really like apple and audience is coming and then IT wasn't there.

I guess I wasn't paying attention to those events like I was when I was attack reporter. So I mean, I was but not like I didn't watch .

you a more Normal person .

that day yeah well, I don't know lio come on.

let's that go too far.

But I like I think I followed IT like a civilian and so that maybe that's why I just don't like, I don't care and that's why we'll get some updates this year and that's fine.

That's I don't think the average person really cares. I think well, I think like apple is also a little bit unique and that they still have that fan base of people that like they're not just people that are getting a new phone because they need IT. These are people that want the latest iphone, want the newest features, want to use them right away.

Not everyone. But I do think apple has that audience still in. A lot of other phone makers probably don't. So I feel like that kind of maybe the exception, but I think the vast majority of people, like, do not care if they get a software update two months .

later would IT be Better if apple were like google, for instance, or or open a, well, I I think apple want to do air on the side of caution they were really afraid of. But google really stumbled when IT released its chain. I at first IT lucent in its in its demo.

Yeah, yeah.

That was an incredible demo.

It's like, dudes is wrong, like out of the gate. And so I think apple kind of wanted to avoid that.

Oh yeah, there are always very cautionary, right? I think that's why they didn't even announce our intelligence until later this year. Is that very cautionary approach of we're gona do something less.

We do IT right? And we do IT Better than everybody else. And it's up, but still, you know, up for debate whether or not there being at Better than everybody else. But they gonna work towards that and try to avoid any gaps.

And to be fair, they're kind of copying what, at least I correctly wrong, but doesn't pixel will have a monthly feature drop every month. Google pushes out new feature.

Yeah, i'm glad you brought that up. It's not monthly. I think it's quarterly for the new jobs. But I do think the age of like there's one big often are update every year is slowly fading away like, yes, there will slowly be like a new big version every year.

But I think you like to your point, google already prove in that you know there's big updates once a quarter. I think samsung, you know, does that to some extent as well. But for apple, they've largely stuck to that approach of like, okay, this wave of new features is coming with the newest version of IOS. But now with apple intelligence, I do think these, like, you know, that one, two, that three updates are gonna important in a way that they haven't been in the past.

What's funny is google pushed out and at fifteen and a little bit early last month, I didn't see a lot of cup IT wasn't like IOS eighteen IT wasn't like, in fact, I don't even know what's the desert its named death is .

they don't do that anymore. They suffered that and they would like Andrew ID tender something.

They stop doing that. Oh, okay. Is IT just that we are kind of this is not a whole lot new that you can do. I mean, really AI is the biggest new feature in any phones these days, right? Yeah.

I feel like a lot of the interesting software features now launched, ed, like with the phones themselves versus like in hundred and fifteen or you know I guess I S eighteen. But that's technically not true, I guess, because apple intelligence launched with the U. S. eighteen. But I do think it's more tired to like the moment when the phone launches versus when like the new software update comes out.

By the way, one of the features I think I gave you the credit to apple for this one of the features and android fifty, like a google's blog, is the new theft detection lock, which uses AI to keep your data safe. If your phones senses someone has snatched IT and is trying to run biker drive away, will automatically lock your device.

You can also use remote lock to quickly lock your device, many phone from any device using your phone number and a simple security check. So wow, okay, I guess apple didn't invent that. That's usual. Android was there first.

It's what do you do? You see i'm really current because we you know, we had an android show, which we cancelled for a lack of interest. Do you see as much interests are used to be in the next generation of phones?

Depends on the phone, I think for sure. But yeah, I would say we do. I don't know, but if you have like specific bets on this too, but I think everyone always gets excited about the new iphone, and I feel like there's always a lot of interest there. And then um a lot of the bigger android phones, like the next time some galaxy phones, the new pixel phones um yeah there's people are interested.

Yeah I agree with that. I think it's big ones, the big three.

And by the way, we should mention that the the host of all about very include Jason hell continue to do if they call the android authority show now and they do IT on the relate that FM that works. So if you're a fan of hand, right? IT was nothing that we didn't we didn't cancel IT because we hated that.

We love them, but there was just not a big enough audience for for us. Here's something i'm not thrill about. I've always worried about AI being given agency like you wouldn't want A I to control the nukes.

right?

There is plenty of movies about that. How bad an idea that is anthropic, it's been announced, is teaming up with plentier to sell AI to defense customer. By the way, customer s is plural, is IT just us.

They say U. S. Defense customers. So that means that A I will be used in warfare.

will be actually .

he's already being .

done in ukraine. Is the future?

yeah. Is that a good thing makes? Here's what I really don't want. Maybe maybe i'm old fashion. I don't want an AI to .

make kill decisions.

Yeah yeah. Absolutely not like it's that doesn't seem like a good idea.

Access to claude this is the announcement from kate earl jensen, his anthropic s head of sales. Access to claud anthropic AI within palante on will equipped us defense and intelligence organizations with powerful AI tools that can rapidly process and allies vast amounts of complex data as not so much. This will dramatically improve intelligence analysis, enable officials in their decision making processes, streamline resource intensive tasks, and boost Operational efficiency across departments. Now remember google, google engineers revolted when google was going to provide this kind of technology to the defense industry and convince them not .

to do IT. No.

anthropic was actually A A splinter group that was leaving. I was at google, or opening, I think, was google. They left because they were concerned about A I safety. And here they are uh selling their a AI to a defense department. Yeah the article notes later .

on the the the terms in the terms this can be used for the design or deployment of of weapons. But I like until until when now right because it's you start with um analyzing data information. Say, oh but this could also help with this next thing like this, give an Angela run a mile um so I also get nervous about what of the future implications of this as they realize how capable IT is um uh I also agree that I would like to not have a ibn charge of a making decisions about whether not people die.

Dan is not happening in ukraine and israel now.

I don't know anything that anybody else. No, I think I think there is a compelling I have heard I am not making this argument. I am not making this argument. I've heard a compelling argument on why you do want AI in the kill chain and that so that you are not there is not a human culpable um there is .

not a illegal chain um that's .

why firing squad with one bullet and exactly yes yeah yeah similar rational um I I mean, I think that if we are hearing about a consumer AI company making a deal with the defense department, then this has happened a long time ago. I mean, yeah you're right.

By the way, plentier is likely to be one of the recipients of a lot of largest from a trump administration because it's right by Peter teo, who was a very large contributor along with the elon mosque.

And well, I mean, there's a really this is pretty interesting. I mean, tough for nothing but law enforcement love palencia. They love IT.

Again, this is not me. This is just an observation as a report. And somebody has been around IT for a long time. The enforcement loves IT, including close people who I trust quite a bit.

What are they use? However.

this is the FBI, this is the FBI. They use IT for law enforcement, for the the things that law enforcement want to use IT for to to.

I use IT for face recognition.

I yes, I probably, but nobody has said we use IT for face recognition, can give database as they can search. Yeah yeah. I think they say they rely on i've asked to see screen shots and what they're looking at, and I can get that.

But what I mean, my guess is that but there's a really interesting thing happening. The FBI, which is long enforcement, really love this. At the same time, we have P. I is about to be, have an interesting come to jesus.

Oh, because of the new administration.

we can infer a lot from that statement.

I should mention that plentier had a very large jump in its stock value in the last five days. If we look at the one month trend, you'll see IT was actually november well was interesting as kind of november forth that has started go up, but quite a large job in evaluation. I mean.

I'm not surprised, I guess um OpenAI spend a little bit of its huge VC funding they got recently. I valued at or no raised one hundred and sixty seven billion dollars. The largest single raise in the history of venture capital they have purchased with some of that money.

We don't know how much the domain chat dot com. So if you're got a chat dot com now, you'll get ChatGPT. Last year, hub spot cofounder and co darmon shop bought the domain chat to come last year for fifteen and half million dollars. So you got to figure, sold IT for at least sixteen.

Did A, B, C, by go out come for OK?

Well, but that was way back when, right? I think the first time there was a big domain, say, I think, was a million dollars with sex dot com. But what ended up happening is all the people who, in the early days of tld, registered those generic ones like news dog com and sex 点 com and chat dot com。 We realized the generic tile, these worn as valuables, they thought that would be at least in the first few years.

We're now proving them around because chat that i'm probably sold, we don't know how much, but sold for a lot of money. He shot sold IT. He acquired IT last year and he sold IT in march of this year to at the time and a name buyer today in a post on xi confirmed, yeah.

I was yes, i'll know who owns news. That calm though, right?

The same theme of the day.

Where have you I know did seen IT buy IT or did IT I did IT was a smart after to registered from the very beginning.

I don't know.

Don't be buy IT were .

there not sure I yeah .

I yeah what I work form that had known IT.

So okay, I think I heard .

that he was bored. Yeah and yeah so maybe .

that conventional wisdom, that the generic names aren't that good. Maybe that's wrong. He says he didn't.

This is his breaking news secret require fifteen plus million dollar domain chat that come revealed and it's exactly who you think he bought IT and then sold IT. I wonder if he bought IT four. Sam Allen.

well, that's what I was wondering. Wonder he buy IT because.

like, I found IT around the time .

ChatGPT was back up. And like he probably thought I I could probably make a pretty penny on this. Yeah.

actually, he says he bought IT for a project. He doesn't usually speculate in self domains, but when he does sell domains, almost never was he. OpenAI was the perfect home for this domain.

So he decided to sell off his known same for over a decade. He doesn't like profiting off people he considers friends. So maybe he just sold to him at cost.

That would be fools. I hope he wasn't that you wish.

Anyway, a IT does work. I went to chat that com, and there is a ChatGPT. You know, who else has get the ye now? And it's about time.

Microsoft, no pad. Microsoft is very strange. For years they ignored notepad and paint.

They were just kind of the free bees that came with windows. And all of a sudden they are putting A I in IT. Like this is the next big thing.

I think my favorite line in the story was in july, microsoft finally upgraded. Note, pat, the spell track and auto correct. So you go from .

bad to like already everything for you. Yes, got the right. That is wild. Finally.

I was today, I and everything, I feel like that's the story.

That .

microphone is pricing .

as why not look that put a .

castle in bliss. But those are the .

two apps where IT does make a lot of sense for there to be A I tools because again, like all of these things that we're seeing, whether it's apple intelligence or you know something else, it's it's all about, you know the first wave of A I features that we're seeing is all about summarizing text or rewriting text or making IT easier to make changes to a photo without having to know how. So it's kind of surprising to me that this didn't come to to no pad and um and um paint sooner .

yeah to that point. I saw ad yesterday for adobe. What out because I netlist ad um and I was like, okay interesting. It's an ad for photoshop and IT was a fifty second ad. And the only thing they focused on was removing distractions from photos and I thought, oh, that sounds like a direct response to tools like clean up and I or um you magic reader object racer, uh so really interesting to see kind of more traditional platforms say, okay, we need to like show people that you can also do this on our platforms too, especially once you pay for hot shop.

Wait a minute, you you, you have the ad supported version of netflix. I just happened .

IT happened like a month ago because I had the basic plan that they faced out, the twelve dollar a month one. So is either upgrading to wit seventeen eighteen dollars a month or six sellars months with ads i've been surviving. It's not been bad. It's a good like water break time, you know yeah .

so actually I ve ve never anybody as the ship is very successful by the way, netflix was really thrilled at how well this .

is gone and there through because I had money from and subscribe yeah honestly.

I am kind of with you a bar. I don't I don't find commercial that much as long as only too, too long because I feel like I miss having that moment to just like stretch my .

little something like it's healthy, right? This is how gonna .

at IT they had twenty two million subs um to the add version.

I mean, it's saved. I'm right around. I'm that was at a date .

a as of may, IT was forty million users. Wow, I mean, he was growing fast. So tell me about IT a brock because I don't know, but he so they're all short ads. How often they show up.

So so right now i'm really watching the crown again. So imagine our long episode. I think they're probably about four ad breaks throughout the hour.

The shortest will be fifteen. It's not ad tourists will be fifteen seconds, which is very, very sure the long as i've seen as a minute. So it's .

really not bad at all. Do they just do one out .

or they they pick back much, much throughout um and they did a pretty decent job figuring out because I was like, where in the crown do you feel like there's opportunity to lake promote or but they found a way to like they get a little bit more seamless.

So the link of the breaks total.

I would say under three minutes OK honestly long enough to .

get a cup tea, but not so long that you lose interest exactly.

And I think that's the sweet spot as you're not getting out and you know it's over in the black one eye.

But remember, cable used to do that, but now cables full of ads. So like it's going to podcast .

used to do that and now podcast.

Are I just the beginning, right? It's going to ramp up. Yeah well.

maybe not, though. I mean, they're already they're still charging you. So there maybe making enough money just doing a few ads that mean IT depends whether you think they're softening you up or this was all they needed. You think they don't .

want more than like you. They're happy they are satisfied. Seven dollars. And when you think that's .

an then our rule is no more than one one, one to two minute that per half hour yeah which I think is okay. I mean, I came from A M radio or is literally nineteen minutes of ads every sixty minutes IT was one third of the content was ads. And that was hard.

You I didn't like that at all yeah. And that's the risk is you can get greedy. And then, and look what happened to A M radio, I was going to .

say it's impressive that they had minutes of ads. People, oh, a talk radio leave.

Did you never go to the talker's talk media conference? Yeah, I want once Michael has one of .

the first ones. yeah. IT was at the only because there was a sapard cisco at the that was a surface strike or maybe IT was the same. France is, anyway, remember going in saying hello and the guys hello.

I worked in A M talk radio, the talk radio of new service that I was on, political campaigns, running radio rose, running all all over the country, hooking up I, S, D, M lines. If.

well, I had nice in line until, you know, very recently, because that was the only way you could do radio remotely. And nobody, by the way, no talk show host works in the studio anymore. Yeah, if you go down to eyehe art, where I used to work for premier, you go out of their studios.

They built this facility with public ten studio. There's nobody in them. It's their empty except maybe a board up, but there's no host there. They're working at home.

Yeah.

discovered no voice tractive. Yeah, maybe that no. And collin shows you have to beat them. Yeah, you can maybe you could voice track or call and show, think a good voice track.

Yeah, probably that show the talk, the tech, you could probably ice track, but on the other hand is kind of dying. So maybe he was kinder. Kinder is one of the reasons they get rid of I, S.

D, and that the fact that the phone could, I didn't want to supportin anymore, were very, very expensive. And so we were replaced, I mean, few years ago, replaced the ice stand line. I head to the studio in L. A. With what's called complex or just regular family.

Yeah and there .

actually nobody said where IT was. IT was just using the that phone lines that was you could use phone but was using the public internet and worked fine. I do need to take a break. No more AI.

We've got other things to talk about like robo ks, the big road block section coming up next this week in tech, our show today with this wonderful panel, I should know, round of applause abroad. Hey, lisa at a chico. Dan patterson, yeah.

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Let's talk about I said I would talk about your blocks OK. Okay, i'll talk about rob locks if that's what you want to talk about. Robo ks is banning kids from some of their spaces, and specifically the social hanging out spaces. They're introducing changes to make things safer for kids after recent reports about child abuse links to the platforms. Now I any of you ever played the box?

Yeah, now you have, I don't play IT. no. But I mean.

there you have a kid.

but not old enough to play robotics, right? Yes, no. I mean I didn't play because in years also the mechanics of robo ks are really interesting and the way is informed other gains yeah I don't .

have a lot of um like first hand experiences playing our blogs. I do feel like it's more getting children but why why do you think similar to add as saying like the like mechanics of IT are fascinating.

It's got to be highly addictive, right? Because kids just like I mean, more than is IT like minecraft was taking on.

if you can never see, it's a .

platform, platform.

Kids make their own games and give them to other kids to play the games go.

So it's more about make games. Yes.

there were accusations uh, a couple years ago from a pretty good youtube channel that did like they're all investigative reporters and and created youtube channel. I think people make games. I think that's what it's call people make games. Um but they investigated the the pale mechanics so allegedly, just like the needle said, robo lix is a platform much like minecraft to accept instead of building in one space, you can create a game. You can create a roll cosa game or something like GTA or you can create any type of game and then sell that game or or create microtron actions within that game.

So that is a money.

Yeah and that was what was investigated, that that advertising IT to minors and also the payout. Ts our allegedly were in the pennies um and and again, allegedly there were a number of of a predators who would use IT as a place to make to meet Young people uh, it's just been a controversial platform for so long that it's fascinating.

Well and you would think that this would be what they would have set all long as let's protect kids, especially as copper. But apparently they had didn't have any restrictions on how kids could use IT. And now a bite default users under the age of thirteen, which is the copper age limit, will not be able to play, search and discover unrated experiences.

So they have ratings and they can have suitable for children. This will ensure that parents and users have more clarity into the types of content. Is there adult content and robo ks, a second life there was is i'm .

on mostly not sure IT depends on, I guess, how they're moderating the content, if at all. I'm not really, really with like what kinds of approvals are needed to get game published on robo ks.

Lu mm, who was a long time hostel on our shows of this weekend, energy texas kids can build their own games of three d assets and lua code. His nine year old has a number of castle flag gates on there, so lose a program or IT games can get quite a histin ted to first person shooters to advances games like mist. So I wonder who is in our discord? T do.

Would you? Could you do IT or do adults would they be interested if you can write lua, you could write your own games. And is there are there adults in more blocks or just kids?

There are absolutely adults making games because there and making money, a lot of money off that too.

and apparently predating, and the predators are on there, that everywhere.

on every platform says there .

is adult content on road blocks, including extreme violence and terrible language how't. So maybe I should start to play. I like lua. It's a good language. I like they're also restricting cess to social hangout IT seems like they should have done this from day one and free form user creation experiences to users under the age of thirteen.

The thing is, I think IT was like minecraft and wearing IT wasn't necessarily at the beginning meant for get.

So kids come down to IT .

and kids took him. Now it's for kids. Yeah I was just to .

say I don't think I was designed for kids, but I do remember like years ago, they're being a lot of buzz around the idea that like kids can not only like I guess, sharp in their like programing skills, but like kind of learn how to become a little entrepreneurs through this platform that was accessible to them. But again, like I I don't know too much of a robo ks. I just remember that being like part of the reason why I was like in the new cycle like years and years ago, like early two thousand and ten, what whenever or blocks launched, I don't remember.

I should have paid more attention to IT during the it's the biggest game of all. During the average day, more than eighty million people use IT. That means more people log on a road blocks every ten minutes. The new second life in a month that it's pig three hundred and eighty million monthly active users, twice, many as steam, three times out of the playstation, three times the number of unique annual users of the intendo switch, five times as many have bought the xbox console in the last ten years.

But I think that the ratio of those numbers are the same. If if you look at kids content on you two.

two other, oh yeah.

just kids stuff. They have time to do that the whole day.

And parents often just let their kids do at the very good thing. Yeah the funny thing is robots has yet to make any money. It's very expensive to run, but it's very hard to profit from IT.

I wants to say I think I think a lot of hate for like I personally am not I don't care about robots, whatever. I do hate for road blocks, but I bet you, any of you, eleven now, you would all be all over IT.

Oh yeah, all love you. I was really in the minecraft when I was a kid. No, we did.

We had stones and advocates. no. But I love minecraft even just a few years ago, run rate spending on robotics.

This is from a really good piece by Matthew ball. And Matthew ball, that co, he's that headline. More blocks is already the biggest game in the world.

Why can't IT make a profit? And how can IT the run rate, the revenue rate right now in road blocks, or at least when he wrote this in may, is over three point eight billion dollars annually. In twenty twenty two, rob locked users designed one hundred seventy thousand virtual clothing and accessory items, fifteen thousand virtual worlds every day.

Average daily users have grown forty percent since then. So it's probably even more. Tens of millions of worlds have been created.

Over hundred user created. The world's been played over a billion times. One has over fifty billion plays.

It's funny, I think. I think the norm world in the adult world doesn't know about this, and every kid does. I obviously have to play more.

Rob locks. I'm going to make that my resolution. Good one.

yeah. wow. Anyway, rob locks is finally doing something to protect kids. I feel like they should probably have done that sooner. But anyway, speaking of success, reddit had a very good year. Stocks wise twelve percent rally on election day lifted reddit market capitalization twenty one and a half billion dollars, making IT more valuable. And snap, which is four times bigger.

They seem to have really put the controversies of twenty and twenty three in the rear view.

You know I thought I was over for reddit when the moderator revolt happened and and people were shutting their substance down and protest over read its a management and no they managed to not only quill IT but move on and succeed even Better than you know they went public shortly after them.

Yeah curious because you mentioned like how well it's doing and like the context of snap as well. And kind of interesting because I feel like and I could be wrong, but I feel like snap maybe isn't as popular as I used to be like during a hay day. I feel like it's been overshadow to some degree by tiktok and by instagram now that you know, instagram essentially copied tiktok and snap. But I don't know. I just I feel like I don't hear snap mentioned a tent like the social media vacuum as as much as I do used to like twenty sixteen.

when you are a Younger person, do you probably use snap chat? right? I feel like that's .

the fn thing about snap is we were just talking about where blocks and I have I kid you sit and everyone's like, what like you know, unaware. I snap as one of those things where as millennial, we would at first launch, we were super into IT, and then we decided that I was like uncool, and we stopped using IT. But jensie love snow track, like still, still and that's the reason why still around and honestly, like IT does impressively well every quarter seems like or at least every year. So um and it's it's that idea that a femoral media is still hot topic, great still people still want to disappearing messages for whatever reason.

Young yes no for social media. But yeah, you know, the feature I masted on that I think is like A, I mean, I don't keep any content on social. I I used that for years, but I don't do any of that.

And the one feature I asked on this great is that I will order delete post. You can just set IT to auto delete post. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt there.

But like that's a new feature though. Isn't IT then?

No, it's been a room for a while. Yeah I want every social network to have that feature. And then maybe i'll think about using social media again. But right now I post stuff and then a couple hours later, I like I just post a link to here's my work, here's something i'm working on today like in the .

link to a little funny i've lost that or don't use to both picture .

of my election with like like disappearing messages and stuff. It's like you it's still scratches that each of posting something and getting reactions to IT and seeing that people are seeing IT but is also not there forever. So yeah I think people get uh, a Better piece of mind .

with that. I think to control .

to be horrified yeah I go do right you ever .

write .

to control your digital footprint and it's kind of when I stopped, IT was not like like I was in the twitter beta because I was an audio. And I used all this stuff years ago at A B, C. In other places.

And I just found that, like, I had this A M enormous digital trail and IT didn't be very little good, but I was owned by other companies. And like that never really like this, but you you make IT very hard for me to erase involved like I can just select all delete. It's really chAllenging.

And when I started looking around, in fact, I did a whole package on this cbs news in twenty eighteen and like a long time ago, like it's very, very difficult to delete your digital trail. And when I kind of figured out how hard IT was or how IT like time intensive IT is, I then I was like, no, these companies don't have my best interest and they have their best interest. I'm not going to keep possing here.

but now everything's being used to train AI.

So it's like they want your content. You take you down, you're taking value .

away from them a disparaging any one particular company. It's me, not them.

but it's it's not you, it's me yeah I just .

changed my posture. Yeah and he repointed tly.

I think like that idea you mentioned, you know, you don't necessary feel like you want to post you know, every little thing like you're laundry, whatever. I feel like our attitude and for social media have shifted where IT felt like there was just like when these things rolled out like I want to post everything on instagram and I you're like i'm being very selective about what I post an instagram for whatever reason whether it's privacy or feeling like it's not going to get enough attention or likes or whatever IT is um and so then at least this point, I think that idea the femoral media kind of scratching the edge without IT being like this is who I am forever and never and never yeah um that's why platforms like snapp to bring you back to that our popular still um we just don't nestley hear about as much maybe with .

us when you post a snap, you're posting to a specific group of friends though it's not a public or is IT a public post.

It's to your friends or you could dm somebody essentially .

it's not like twitter where you're saying, hey, world, here's what I .

have for lunch if you are a personal then maybe .

and I think some people do if you're .

DJ clio yeah but shows .

the date time I don't know who's been on snap anymore.

Well, sometimes I get random recommendations to people who are in my contacts, but I haven't add. I don't use snap, I don't really post anything, but I check IT every now then, but i'll be people in my contacts, but I guess are posting publicly because IT has the option to add them as a friend on there. So there must be something, again, this is not something I used in like six years, but maybe there is a way to still be some of public on there.

I need to get some Younger hope. Some.

yeah, we're out day here.

I need some fourteen year old you .

remembering for its ipod, but I used to .

ask my kids but they're in their thirties now it's like, no, that's not gonna AR and ask dance kid, how does your baby now she's and in fact.

at some point you might need to get bad.

but he is in get dinner most is curious what you're gonna do when SHE gets to twelve and wants to be on these things?

Yeah, I think about this, especially with A I and I do think about like AI relationships and A I friends. I think about that is like perhaps away for her to interact with her relatives. Yes, I don't know formally. You have a while to figure this out.

I don't know.

My wife and I are pretty private people when IT comes to, so I hope we teach those values. So I don't know. You just parent like like there is no trick.

Just be a parent, right? No, there anybody.

There is a lot of privilege in that samen though there is a lot of privilege. I am a White man who at works in new york city, I make a salary. I like IT is IT is harder for some people to parent as often or in .

the same way. So right? Canada has ordered the shutdown of tiktok canadian business, but they're not .

lock in the APP. interesting.

I wonder if this a couple of days after election, I wonder if what's going to happen in the us. Of the tiktok.

I was seeing in the same thing me.

because trump has gone back and forth. He he was the first to suggest banning IT back when he was president. Now he likes IT. But I wonder if when he's president again, well, because of chinese, you won't want to bandit again. This is why canada is banning IT the government innovation minister france wah Philip champagne, perfect named, says mr champagne, says the government is sticking action to address this specific national security risks related to bite dances Operations in canada to the establishment of tiktok technology canada spectacular.

Actually .

pretty.

I don't know how I do so this they have a like cfius in the united states, the committee on foreign state in the us. They have the government can assess political risks in canada, national security from foreign investments, but they're they're not to shut down the APP. Maybe that's what the us. Needs to do. I don't think that solves the privacy issue though, right?

Definitely doesn't IT makes that look like IT solves .

the private issue.

maybe the but IT doesn't do IT there there as as people who are against this, i've said they need to be measures that protect people's data from being still, you know, given to third parties. And getting rid of tiktok does not solve that problem.

The canadian government, like the us. Government, bans tiktok from government, issue the devices tiktok says that will chAllenge the order in court. Shutting down tiktok canadian offices and destroying hundreds of well paying local jobs is not anyone's best interest.

And today, shut down order will do just that. Of course, the the clock is tik talking in the us. Because they have until january nineteenth, one day before inauguration day to sell tiktok or face a ban.

I just forgot that that deadline was coming up with everything else going.

Ah I mean that yeah that's why I feel like I I don't know a tiktok ban would go into a fact that soon because it's so weird .

this january in nineteen and this was a long time ago, months ago but yeah, it's kind of weird like they knew you know a january twenty of everything .

changes yeah they were preparing for that just in case and here we are so I don't know a tiktok doesn't seem like IT plans on telling anything and I don't know the U. S. Government would really go go through with that. It's going cause a lot of uproar if they do so I don't know that's going to happen.

Let's let's begin to rap this up because dance got an appointment with a string broccoli or something but she's not she's in human food.

of course. That is everything.

that is food. She's just .

it's a bad time, I think.

Yeah all right. Well, one last add and then will wrap things up with what what a great panel. So nice to have you on here. Damp atterson from a blackbird that I also was contributing over eating net. Now part of the sea net family, or I can never remember, seen as part of the zd net family.

I think lee said a chico working in this CD family at seen that senior editor and of course her friend and colleague, A B A heat from sea t as well. We didn't planned IT like at all. Seen t gets together.

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my time so you so among the west coast though so dani, at least you actually have permission .

to go to say this almost here.

And where are you, lisa? I'm in new york, new york and dancing new york. And I bw you in the bay area.

I can't remember I would .

invite you to our studio, but there's no one there .

and I got to see what you still yeah you .

got got to visit once, which was really nice, at least once I was there. When you visit, if you ever want to come to the added, you can I have a cat bed if you want to bring your cat? You know.

I need a cat camera. Why did you have a cat camera on this?

I have a cat camera, but unfortunately the cat here, i'll show you, the cats never in the bed. I don't know why .

the .

cats got a bed. It's just waiting for. But SHE doesn't like IT. Oh, I got this idea from Anthony y. Nelsons, one of our producers who always every time he's on a call with us, he's got a Kitty cat here.

Love that writing. Incredible to have fun. I would be there.

I know. Well, come over. Have a cup of coffee.

Thank you.

You we do. We have a special chair for for visitors.

And the chair.

the chairs right here, here is the old doctor that we had before. I don't know. You know, I got all these extra cameras and all this extra set, but there's just me.

So I just always stay on single, oh, oh, well, dead patterns that black bird does A I, where he's editorial director. Now that i've got my account set up, i'm going to use this more. Thank you.

You going to read .

this stuff there, or on CD IT from time to time, very, extremely at her. Thank you, dad. always.

Thank you. I really appreciate. I always love being here and thank you. Least in a bra was great talking to you and beneath.

Thanks for the great beneath and help our editor and producer and booker and everything else he does IT. All right. Do you ever use that manual type aor behind you?

I have, yeah, I mean, I ve tried to get a room in IT, but I think it's a reality. But I ve tried, I mean, i've learned in a manual typewriter .

just some of somebody where was IT a maybe a microblogger massed IT on a boat like a thousand feet of type a river. I guess you can roll your own. Going a little too far. That's extra manual. yeah. Thank you. Damn, appreciate.

Thank you. likely.

Thank you to abara heat. Always a pleasure to have you on shit works at seen IT and she's a bra heat on instagram. So you do publish stuff or post stuff on instagram.

I do instagram and take talk. My tiktok isn't completely unserious, but instagram I tried .

to actually do.

You can actually I do. It's also a borrow to, again, it's IT has nothing to do with my active job.

So a lot of and a .

lot of random means that I feel like making so yeah, I feel free. It's a nice change of pace, but i'm a little too addicted to IT.

but it's fun. We have we are now maybe you didn't know this, but we now stream on tiktok. So we have an audience, one thousand two hundred forty nine people watching us right now.

That's amazing.

Friends, discord, youtube, twitch, twitter, slash x tiktok linked in facebook and kick, 哇哦。

everywhere. It's great. I mean, also like tiktok is a streaming life on tiktok, a great move, some that are doing IT. Oh, I think we've .

it's really been good for us. I keep getting comments like he's still alive. I used to watch him on the tech .

TV and thanks. When people hear that I work at, see that I was still around so yeah.

it's pretty. We're the old time is and of course, when you work at seen that, you work with a wonderful place at a chick o who's seen at to seen that is IT just phones. You cover many other things.

many other things. I mean, I don't know everything's related to your phone these days, but every stories about your phone.

if you think about IT, IT is the primary computing device now, right? We started the show with the ipod. And now where ended with the primary computer device, your iphone? It's kind of amazing. Thank you for being here.

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