U.S. Says NUKING IRAN May Be Only Option, Trump Admin DENIES Ruling Out Nuke, Bannon Met With Trump
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However, Mediaite is reporting the White House has denied Trump ruled out using a nuclear weapon. The Daily Mail is reporting that Donald Trump backed away from direct strikes on Iran after realizing the bunker busters will not work and a nuclear weapon is the only option. Now, Jack Posobiec appearing on Bennett's War Room broke down exactly why. And I'll keep it simple.

Iran knows the U.S. has bunker busters, so they built their operation underground in a mountain. The idea is you either need human commandos to go in and shut it down. It's a one way trip or you need bunker busters and not just one, but several. Now, it seems that we've got multiple reports. Trump does not want to use a nuclear weapon.

That may be the only option, in which case there's no option for war. Now, I'd argue that's largely a good thing. Trump has recently met with Steve Bannon and got on the phone with Tucker Carlson, two of the biggest voices opposing intervention in Iran. Now, Steve Bannon says that MAGA will get on board if Trump decides to take this action. But I got to tell you, it's it's it is sounding logical at the bunker busters. Not going to work. Not going to work.

and that the U.S. would have to use something more substantive, like a nuclear weapon. And if that is the case, there's no option. That is a no. That is a no that will not happen, that cannot happen, and Trump knows it. The ramifications of the U.S. dropping a nuclear bomb on Fordow, the Iranian nuclear facility, would be catastrophic, and it could trigger mutually assured destruction. It's a rock and a hard place.

Now, Mediaite reports this White House denies Trump ruled out using a tactical nuke on Iran. Fox Heinrich reports. The PAC show covering all the angles of this historic moment. Israel's former prime minister, Naftali Bennett, joins me. Also, His Royal Highness Reza Pahlavi, exiled crown prince. I don't think this video is going to show what they're claiming because media tends to do that. So.

Fox News senior White House correspondent Jackie Heinrich reported on Thursday that the White House is denying a new report from The Guardian that the president is not considering a tactical nuke in Iran.

Heinrich spoke to Fox anchor Martha McCallum. So this is the right video, right? With some insights into fresh from the White House briefing. Hi, Jackie. Hey, Martha. There have been a lot of headlines this afternoon, including one from The Guardian that claimed that the U.S. military has doubts about whether the bunker buster bombs could get the job done and further claiming that only a tactical nuke maybe could finish it.

And it further stated that the president is not considering a tactical nuke, that it was not one of the options that was presented to him. I was just told by a top official here that none of that report is true, that none of the options are off the table, and the U.S. military is very confident that bunker busters could get the job done at Fordow. The president is giving himself until July 3rd to make a decision on whether to get involved on these strikes, saying there are signals that deployments... Okay, I'm going to say this.

They're certainly trying to float the possibility that a nuclear weapon is used, but I would say the possibility of that happening is zero, zero. Donald Trump may be jokingly referred to as a madman, but he's not a literal madman.

Maybe it's 0.01. There's always a possibility. But I think the reason that they're denying the report is that Trump wants Iran scared. But I guarantee you, Iran's sitting there saying, never going to happen. There's no way, no way the U.S. would use a nuke because they would have to use, in all likelihood, some kind of ICBM, intercontinental ballistic missile.

Now, it's possible the U.S. sends in some bombers, which are reportedly mobilizing, and they can use a low-yield gravity bomb. So these bunker busters, these are 30,000-pound bombs. But the U.S., maybe 10 or so years ago, developed a more compact megaton bomb, massive. And it's a gravity bomb, meaning it must be dropped from a bomber.

The Daily Mail says how Trump backed out of nuking Iran because only a tactical nuclear weapon would destroy Fordo bunker as Kremlin issues nuclear war warning. Trump is believed to have backed down from military action against Iran, paving the way for diplomatic talks after realizing that a nuclear strike may have been the only way to completely destroy the buried Fordo enrichment plant in Iran.

The president is said to have told defense officials it would only make sense for the U.S. to join Israel in striking Iran if its bunker buster bombs are guaranteed to be able to destroy the key enrichment site, according to people familiar with the discussions. I'm going to throw it to our friend Jack Posobiec, who breaks it down. Take a deep breath. President Trump tells you we're not there yet. Jack Posobiec, your thoughts and observations.

Well, Steve, look, I read this piece as well about, and this is all about an assessment from the Department of Defense, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, DTRA, and their goal is, and I've talked about BDA on this program before, so battle damage assessment. So when you're conducting a strike, whether it be on a facility, whether it be on a building, whether it be on a person in some of these assassination strikes or a hellfire strike,

like which took out Soleimani way back when. You're determining what type of ordinance do you want to use for what type of target. And now the enemy, of course, gets a vote and they understand our ordinance and they understand what we have as well. This is why Iran employs decoys and many

of their air defense sites that have been struck have actually been decoys. This is an old Soviet deception program, Moskorova, which was, you know, they would use inflatables, they would use the rest. And of course, it even goes back to the U.S. doing that in Normandy back in World War II.

And so one of the other, of course, tactics to defeat ordnance is to bury your sites deep underground. This, of course, is what Iran has done in this case with the Fordow site. And so the Defense Threat Agency, the DTRA, has come in to say, all right, this is our assessment, and this has been briefed up to the Pentagon, and it remains to be seen whether or not this has been briefed directly to President Trump in these meetings, where there are serious questions.

As to whether or not these bunker buster bombs would have the ability to completely take out the facility at Fordow, because it is so deep, because it is within this mountain range south of Tehran there, because it was built for this express purpose. If it can penetrate all the way in, because the goal of these bombs don't have a lot of explosive power, the bunker busters. What their goal is, they have a giant steel casing around them. That casing penetrates

The bunker, or in this case, have to penetrate through solid rock to get all the way to the center of the mountain. And then the explosive charge itself actually isn't as large compared to some of the other ordnance out there. The entire goal being that it's got to get through. That's why the weight is so heavy. And that's why you need the B-2 heavy bomber, just to be able to carry and launch this thing. So they're putting up the assessment saying, hey, one bomb might not be enough. The likely target of the bunker buster, if the U.S. were to get involved in this conflict, four.

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isn't going to penetrate that. You're going to have to have multiple hits at the same spot. Drop a bomb, another B-2 comes in, drops another bomb in the crater of the first. You might need multiples. We don't know how many strikes it would take. And even going beyond that, because there are so many levels on this thing, you might only be able to take out the first couple levels. The centrifuges down at the bottom might still be intact. And this is why, and by the way, this is exactly why Bibi himself pointed out

that you might need commandos to infiltrate this facility to take it out on a direct manned mission similar to the bin Laden raid or something like that where they would go in to ensure the destruction. Because if you don't destroy those centrifuges,

And the scientists and all the rest, because it's a dispersed program. And even though this is the largest site, they have other sites. The point being is you may only set them back a year. You might only set them back two years. And now you're finding yourselves in a shooting war with Iran. Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. You know what they're telling you? They're telling us all right now it's either a nuclear strike or boots on the ground. So where does this go? The dominoes are falling. The die has been cast. All bets are off.

Bannon says MAGA will get on board if Trump decides to join Israel against Iran. I think so. I think so. I think we are heading into Iran. It's hard to know for sure. Trump's trying to negotiate, but the negotiations have failed every step of the way. Now the liberals blame Trump. They said there was a nuclear deal already. Well, that clearly wasn't working. So do you want a nuclear strike on Iran? No. I think everybody on the planet saying do not cross that line.

That opens up a very dangerous possibility. But what are they saying? They're saying then you need humans on the ground in a commando raid to go into Fordow. Now, let me ask you this. You've got the Iranian nuclear program. Of all programs they have, which do you think is the most secure? Indeed. So you're just not going to waltz. One does not simply waltz into Fordow and destroy their nuclear centrifuges.

So what do you do? Full scale invasion. Secure the site, secure the northern region around Forto, take out all the enemy commandos, soldiers, defense, etc. Go in, destroy all the program, destroy everything. And then what? As Jack pointed out, you delay them for a year. Indeed. I think what they're setting us up for is an impossible situation.

It is going to be regime change or nothing. And Fox News ran the story yesterday. Is regime change possible? And they were effectively advocating for it, saying we need this to happen. It has been in the works for a long time. And I think it would be foolish for all of us to assume that the news we're seeing right now just happened. Trump's probably known about it. The Democrats probably knew about it. And it goes back decades. You had...

Who is that? I always forget the guy's name. General, was it Wesley Clark? Let me see if I can pull this one up. Very famous story. Indeed, it was General Wesley Clark stated the U.S. plan to attack and occupy seven countries in the Middle East after 9-11. Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Somalia is not in the Middle East, nor is Sudan. So they've disputed this. But let's take a look. I mean, Iraq,

Yeah, we got it. Syria? Yep. Lebanon? No. Libya? Yeah. Somalia and Sudan? Well, you know, make your arguments. Sudan, maybe. And Iran? No. So maybe it's not all that accurate. The point being, the narrative has long been that the U.S. intends to take Iran. And Bolton, you know what? I got to pull this up. I got to pull this up. We need this. Bolton celebrate in Tehran. Let's see.

Here's the intercept. Let's pull this one up. No, I don't want to be in your email list. What is this? Will you go away? It won't. All right. Let's see if we can get rid of their stupid pop-up so I can read their actual. Get out of here. Jeez, you're an awful website. Here we go. Here's John Bolton promising regime change in Iran by the end of 2018. Just eight months ago, John Bolton told members of a cult-like Iranian exile group that before 2019, they would be ruling in Iran. I think he said celebrating, right?

2017, Bolton said withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal should be a top administration priority. Indeed, Bolton was in the Trump admin. Many saw it as a mistake. Now what's interesting is Trump has had a conversation with Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson. I think we may actually see Bannon and Tucker come around.

I kid you not. Not because they're shills, not because they're grifters, because I think Donald Trump is their friend. And I think Donald Trump is going to talk to them and they're going to realize the harsh realities of the circumstances we face. I know everybody wants to believe that it's always the deep state cabal that is forcing these things to happen through Machiavellian schemes to empower and enrich themselves. And that may be the liberal economic order, the liberal world order.

They want their weird ideological gain. But I do think there's a reality to Tucker Carlson comes out and says, do not do this and then gets on the phone with Trump. And what do you think Trump says to Tucker? Now, apparently, Tucker apologized, saying he went a little far with it. And I know that Tucker and Trump are friends. I will say this as a direct source. I have seen Tucker Carlson called Donald Trump on the phone, literally pulled out his phone. How's it going, Mr. President?

So when I see this, I'm like, just call the guy. And they did. And I'm willing to bet that with Bannon and with Tucker, Trump is saying, listen, you know, I don't want to do this. And I know why you don't want it to happen. Here's the reality of the situation. As much as you can tell them. Bannon recently met with that's the wrong one. Where's it? Here we go. Nope. That's where's the stupid story. Oh, here we go. Sorry. Trump meets with Steve Bannon, the head of decision to delay Iran attack.

Bannon's not an idiot. Bannon's not a bad and Bannon's a good dude. And so is Tucker. These guys, they're not bought and paid for. I think what we're going to see now is Bannon's going to come out. This is my prediction. And I'm not saying this to be disrespectful. I'm saying when the president calls you and he slides that folder across the table and says, tell me what to do, please. Bannon's going to be flipping pages and to go, holy crap. I don't know. I wish the answers were simple. They never are.

We don't know if we're being manipulated. I don't. Look, there's a possibility that Bannon and Tucker have been in it the whole time. They've both wanted Iran. I'm saying hypothetically and that they're playing the heel to keep MAGA in line with Trump. And then Trump calls them. Maybe maybe it's a grand conspiracy. I took my sugar.

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If Trump is considering something, you know, the intel is worse than we realize. And there's questions we don't even know to ask. This is my fear. I don't want boots on the ground in Iran. I don't want intervention. We've been we've been sullied. We've been soured. They have lied to us. I'm just saying this. I think it's going to happen. They're telling us the bunker busters won't work. They're saying they'd have to use a nuke. They are giving us the big ask. They're saying we can nuke them.

Let's fire a nuke. And then you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. And they go, OK, how about boots on the ground? How about we just send in some humans so we avoid mass collateral damage and nuclear war? And then you're supposed to go, wow, we narrowly averted war by sending boots on the ground into Iran. I got to make some phone calls. It's freaking me out. Everybody wants me to be pro or anti-Israel. Everybody wants to give them the answers. My guys, that ain't me. It's probably why

So many other people have bigger shows than I do, because if I can't see through the fog of war, if I can't see what's going to happen, then I got nothing for you. I can just say there are obvious reasons why we don't want this. I can lay these pieces together and tell you what I think is about to happen, but I cannot prescribe for you morals. So maybe you're going to say no, under no circumstances, any kind of intervention, no matter what the data is. If Ben and Tucker come out in support of intervention, they're wrong no matter what. That's that's for you. That's for you.

I lean against it. OK, I've said this, I'm a reformer, not a revolutionary, meaning I'm not going to be like a staunch extremist saying never. You know, if it came out that Iran had a nuke already or that it was legit, I don't know what to tell you. I could just tell you one thing. The negative ramifications will be severe. The inflation will be severe. We are already dealing with a crisis in our country for our younger generations. And I don't know how we afford to extend ourselves to a place like Iran.

Man, this is this is bad. So, again, I don't want to impugn the honor of Tucker or Bannon or Trump or anybody. I'm not saying that Tucker or Bannon believe or don't believe. I don't know what they believe. I'm just saying when the president sits down with you, if he's telling them, guys, you're my friends and this is what we have to do. I mean, what's Bannon going to come out and say? He's not an extremist. He says Maga will get on board. We'll see.

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Mediaite reporting Gaza activists sabotage military jets after raiding UK's largest air base. Let me just say that again. What? A news report coming out with video they've released where they sabotage UK military jets. I don't believe it. There was a video back in the day of a guy claiming that he tagged Air Force One. Let me see if I can find this actually.

Super old. And it was fake. Mark Echo tagged Air Force One. They're claiming it's true. What is this? Let me see if I can find the news story. They're claiming he actually did it. It was Mark Echo, huh? I'll look back at the audacious Air Force One graffiti stunt. I mean, people have done it. Wow. Okay, what is it? Elaborate hoax. See, I knew it. I knew it. Admits elaborate hoax. Well, I don't know. It's a super old story going back 20 years, right?

A video purporting to show Mark Echo spray painting a tag on the side of Air Force One has been identified by Flight Global readers as an elaborate fake. And then he issued a legal disclaimer. Now, I'm bringing that up because I can't believe this video. Let me play this video for you. Okay, anti-Israel, pro-Gaza activists apparently sabotaged jets. Look at this. I don't know if that's paint or what he's spraying. Oh, man.

I'm

That's it. Pro-Palestinian activists infiltrated Britain's largest Royal Air Force airbase on Thursday in a dramatic security breach to vandalize and sabotage planes it claims are used in surveillance and cargo missions to help the Israeli military in Gaza. Footage released by direct action group Palestine Action shows two individuals inside the Brise Norton base in Oxfordshire at night. One of them riding a scooter across the tarmac to vandalize two Airbus Voyager refueling tankers.

The base serves as the UK's hub for strategic air transport and refueling, including missions over Gaza via the RAF Akrotiri base in Cyprus. Red paint was sprayed into the aircraft's jet engines using repurposed fire extinguishers, according to the group, who also said they used crowbars to damage the aircraft. The group claimed that evaded security rendered the planes out of service and caused further damage using crowbars.

The Ministry of Defense condemned the acts as vandalism of Royal Air Force assets and confirmed an investigation was underway in coordination with police. Now, hold on. Vandalism? This is an act of war. I mean, who are these people? Are these British subjects? I mean, sedition then? Are they? That's crazy. Despite publicly condemning the Israeli government, a spokesperson for Palestine Action said,

Britain continues to send military cargo, fly spy planes over Gaza and refuel U.S. and Israeli fighter jets. The stunt has reignited debate over the U.K.'s military entanglements in the Israel-Gaza conflict, even as ministers framed it squarely as a national security lapse. British Cabinet Minister Lisa Nandy called the break-in deeply concerning. What? I'm just going to say this right now. This really seems like people are underreacting in the United States.

Pretty sure that if you infiltrated a airbase and did this, they would shoot you. Now, I don't want to say too much because seeing stuff like this, I've noticed lack security in some locations. You know what? I'm just going to bring it up because I don't want something like this to happen in the United States. But out here in Martinsburg, we have an airbase and it's connected to the Martinsburg airport. Anybody could just walk out.

Like there's no fencing or anything. He's walk in. And I think that's probably what this is right now. They don't believe it could happen. They don't want to spend on security. Who's going to go and try and destroy a several hundred, you know, a hundred. How much these jets cost, man? A hundred million dollars or 50 million dollars. Some insane amount of money. Deeply concerning. Promised a government crackdown on people who think they can treat national security with that level of disregard.

While the footage showed the activists roaming freely within the high security perimeter, it remains unclear how they gained access. The incident follows a string of similar direct actions by Palestine Action, which has increasingly targeted military infrastructure and weapons suppliers linked to Israel's war effort. Holy crap. Now, CNN reported on this, but they didn't even bring up the sabotage.

They just write pro-Palestine activists infiltrate Britain's largest air base in security breach. I'm kind of shocked by this. This is like highest degree of... Listen, what if this person did not actually just spray paint it? What if they slapped an explosive to it? This is crazy. They said the video shows two people riding electric scooters on the tarmac of Royal Air Force Bryson Norton in Oxfordshire.

Britain isn't just complicit. It is an active participant in the Gaza genocide and war crimes across the Middle East. By decommissioning two military planes, Palestine action have directly intervened in the genocide and prevented crimes against the Palestinian people. It added a ministry of defense source told CNN that RAF Voyagers do not carry anything for the Israeli forces or refuel Israeli aircraft.

The incident raises wider questions as to how the activists who have not been apprehended managed to get into the airspace undetected. Inside job. I'm going to tell you right now, inside job. That's my bet. R.I.F. Bryce Norton has approximately 5,800 service personnel, 300 civilian staff and 1,200 contractors.

In a statement, the Ministry of Defense strongly condemned the vandalism. Jeez. In a statement posted, ex-British Prime Minister Keir Starmer called the incident an act of vandalism. It was disgraceful. Vandalism? Britain, you suck. You are pathetic. Holy crap. Yo, what do you think Trump would do if a couple of these wackaloons went into a U.S. Air Force base and sabotaged the

These aircraft. Now, you got to understand, I don't know exactly what they're hoping to accomplish. Do they have more more video? I don't think they have any any more than we already saw. I don't know what they're hoping to accomplish with this spray painting of that. You can see them spraying something in there.

The paint probably will damage the jet. It's going to destroy everything. The intake, it's going to get cluttered up with debris. But maybe, I don't know, I could be wrong, and paint isn't just, they're going to turn the engine on and it's going to fry everything and just blast out the debris. I mean, there have been engines that have ingested small animals, you know, and they still go. So I don't know, maybe they're calling it vandalism because it's not actually enough to cause damage. But what if?

What if these guys didn't post the video at all and that plane took off and then the engine blew out and it crashed, killing several people? If this were to happen in the United States, I'd imagine you'd see a manhunt beyond all manhunts. And this person would probably get like 25 years in prison, some insane amount. Considering everybody's already freaked out over plane crashes.

I'd have to imagine this wouldn't be tolerated. But my question is, how is the UK tolerating this? I'm curious what the people who are commenting on Mediaite are saying about this. They're probably cheering for it. What are they saying? Britain's military is in a sorry state. They can't even keep out the crazy ass left wingers. It's nothing compared to the damage done by Israel and its supporters. These people are nuts.

Look at this. I call them the MAGA wing of the Democrats, but I think they're worse. More like the mega make enemies great again. What a great way to get lead poisoning. They say, interesting. Israel is fighting to change the narrative away from their Holocaust in Palestine. The activists are trying to bring Palestine back into the center. Spotlight is wild. Jeez. This person said the RAF should have blown off their heads. This is an act of war, regardless of political views. I completely agree.

Who are these guys? They're probably I guarantee you they're going to turn out to be British subjects like the British citizens that were granted citizenship, but probably not from the country. But who knows? A lot of hyper polarization and wackaloon politics, an act of war by whom the stateless state of

sabotaging national defense assets is just treason. Do they still do that to who heads on spikes thing at the tower?

This is amazing that the British government is treating it so lightly. What a pathetic failed state. What do you think is going to happen when you get, say, like someone commented Russia or she and they see what the UK does? They're going to be like, OK, so we can go and start sabotaging their air assets with a guy claiming to be Palestine and they're not going to do anything about it. Indeed, my friends smash the like button, share the show with everyone, you know.

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The U.S. wants a means to enter this war. And so there's several scenarios. One, the U.S. could just do it themselves and say it was Iran, maybe. Or the U.S. could sit back and say, let them do it because we want them. Come on, hit me. Basically saying that, hit me. We'll see what happens. If Iran does make this move, the U.S. then intervenes. Or worse, a third party wanting to instigate a war between the U.S. and Iran could also do something like this.

Now, we do have this from Newsweek. Satellite images show the U.S. preparations for possible Iran war as of this morning. We are seeing what is this drag the slider over? Nothing's different. I don't know what the what the point is. They're saying that across the U.S. is this video. All of these planes mobilizing for potential war in Iran. Look at this. Holy crap. Look at those planes go.

You can see when they go over the North Atlantic, you lose them on flight tracker. But then they're all repositioning around Europe and the Middle East. I think it's I think this guy's not wrong. Here's the video from Matt Gaetz's show on One American News. Do you believe right now Iran is in the planning or execution stages of cyber attacks against the United States?

Absolutely. I wish this wasn't the truth, but I believe within the next 30 days, you're going to see a massive cyber attack. All of the indications are there. Everyone's ganging up on Iran. You're seeing a lot of tension building, and they cannot compete on the military front, on the physical front with airplanes flying.

WEAPONS. THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN COMPETE WITH THE UNITED STATES AND ISRAEL. BUT ON CYBER, THEY ARE VERY, VERY ADVANCED. REMEMBER, STUXNET ATTACKED THEIR NUCLEAR REACTORS.

Yes, they were a victim. But when you're a victim of a cyber attack, you also get access to all the code. So they actually have all the code that was used to break into their nuclear reactor. They now took that and they can use that against us to break into our nuclear reactors. Kind of. Just because we were able to break into their reactors, the way Stuxnet worked was it infected every single computer everywhere. Today's show is brought to you by Progressive Insurance.

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And it was looking for specific code related to centrifuges, particularly the Iranian ones, based on the names we know and the information that we had gathered about them. They could theoretically reverse engineer the code, but the code wasn't actually that complicated. What was sophisticated about it was that it was a small worm that infected every computer without anyone noticing because it didn't do anything.

It was trying to infect everything until it got to their reactors. And when it did, it caused them to spin until they exploded. But I don't think he's wrong. Physical capabilities are very hard. It's expensive. But training on cyber is particularly easy. On top of that, offense in cyber war is ridiculously easy. Defense is ridiculously hard.

There's a thing in cyber war in security called a zero day or O day, whatever you want to call it. This means that an exploit, maybe like a gap in your armor, has been known to the public for zero days. That's where it comes from. So the issue would be some security researcher notices that there's like a security vulnerability. Let me give you a really simple one, a really, really simple example.

There's something called SQL or SQL injection, old school rudimentary hacking stuff. Most of this has been patched out and isn't really a concern, but it's really funny when people don't have updated systems and you can easily inject their systems. Here's how it works. And I've explained this before, but not everybody sees this stuff. So when you enter your username and password, you'll type in, you know, guitar guy 99 or whatever, and your password is 1234567.

What's actually happening is in that box, there's actually a string of code before and after. And it says something like, if username equals blank, check database for username. If username, you know, password equals blank, check database for password. If yes, then open up website. That's how it works.

So you type in your username and password, it's putting it in there, and then what happens is the code compares the name to an existing name in the database and to the existing password. And then they're usually hashed. I mean, it's converted, it's encrypted, and they compare the encryption. And then what happens is the website opens. Now, hold on. Injection is actually really easy. This is, again, old, and a lot of sites don't have this anymore.

If it says, if username equals blank, then do whatever, you put a username in. But what if someone puts code in that box? So what happened was someone at some point realized, I know how this works. I'm going to write this.

So in the username box, they did just put a username. They added code to it that would say, or if username equals blank, then open up the website. So what happens is the code behind the scenes says, if username equals blank was changed to, if username equals or username does not equal, then still take action.

So people figured out you could enter code into that box, really simple stuff, and trick the website into letting you in. That is the very rudimentary way by which people would break into computer systems. That's typical injection. That's so you basically get it. That's old school now there. So that's an exploit. That's how an exploit would work.

When this becomes known to the public, they would say, you know, a security researcher says, hey, we figured out this hole in these systems and they publish it to the world saying, fix this in all of your systems. It is now known to the public. Governments spend millions of dollars on Oday exploits. And then the term becomes like someone says, hey, I found this exploit that's not in public record. It is that there are zero days. So what that means is

No one knows it exists, at least publicly. So it's not security patched and it's going to give you direct access into these systems. There are people who work in security and they sit around and fumble around on phones and computers and stuff like that until they can figure out how to break in. And when they find that, they sell it to governments for millions of dollars. That's crazy. Now, it's easy to do. It's easy to buy. You're buying a mistake.

It's really hard to defend against these things unless someone already knows about it. So Iran need only put out bounties. They could tell their citizens. Russia could do the same. The Syrian electronic army that was hacking on behalf of Syria was based out of Russia. They were in Moscow.

And famously, they hacked Twitter back when it was Twitter and reported that Obama had been injured in an explosion at the White House, causing the U.S. stock market to drop by billions of dollars. Shortly after AP got a hold of the situation, they reported it was fake and recovered. Now, the way that most hacking is done like this, like social cultural stuff, is called spear phishing or phishing.

People are dumb. They'll get an email and it'll say, hey, this is your security administrator for the company you work at. You've got to change your password. And they go, OK, click the link. And boom, they just gave all their information. Usually what happens is you click the link and then it'll it'll give you a fake Google page where it says, like, you must re-log back in. And they'll go, OK, and they'll try to re-log back in. But they're actually just sending all their information to the hacker. The hacker then logs into their account.

There you go. The stupid thing is, I got to be honest, it's much, much easier than actually even spear phishing. You just like Google search people because people have notoriously bad security. So hacking usually is social engineering. But if you want to break into a system where you can blow up a nuclear reactor or a water processing plant, water reclamation, the conspiracy theory is.

Every nation has a new mutually assured destruction outside of nuclear weapons. And that is that over the past 10 years, every country has invested heavily in exploits against the cyber and industrial infrastructure of the opposing nation. That means many in cybersecurity believe Iran has the ability to press a button and blow up a whole bunch of electrical reactors or the electrical grid in the United States.

Some have speculated it could be millions of millions of dead that if they were to shut down electricity in certain areas across the country, crippling our defenses, crippling our economy, crippling the Internet in some capacity. This is going to cause massive economic failure and that chain of events will lead to death in the periphery. I think so. I think one of the reasons Trump is concerned about engaging directly is that we do not yet know the full scale of Iranian cyber attack capability.

Now, they may not be as good as China or whoever else, but if the U.S. does this, China could intervene. They can execute a bunch of ODA exploits, destroy a bunch of our nuclear reactors, like energy reactors. And what do you do? The sad secret is, within the past 10 years, researchers have been pointing out that our industrial control systems are from the 70s and use simple lines of code that are so easily exploited, it'd make your head spin. I think we might see it.

They've talked about a cyber 9-11 for a long time. They want to go to war in Iran. They say either we nuke them or we invade. We'll see. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Stay tuned. We got more coming. We'll be back tonight at 8 p.m. for TimCast IRL. And we'll see y'all then.