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Iran, Israel, and Trump

2025/6/17
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Nahal Tousi: 作为一名资深外交事务记者,我认为以色列长期以来将伊朗政权,特别是其核计划和弹道导弹计划,视为对其生存的威胁。因此,以色列认为现在是攻击伊朗的合适时机,尤其是在过去一年半的地区冲突中,伊朗显得尤为脆弱。我们已经看到,以色列摧毁或严重削弱了伊朗在该地区的代理武装,并袭击了伊朗的武器设施。这些袭击的目标包括伊朗的高级军事领导人和核科学家,这表明以色列决心阻止伊朗获得核武器。尽管美国和伊朗之间曾进行核谈判,但以色列并不信任伊朗政权,不相信任何协议能够充分缓解其担忧。我认为,伊朗不愿意放弃在其领土上进行铀浓缩的权利,即使是低水平的浓缩,而这对以色列来说是不可接受的。内塔尼亚胡总理甚至暗示,以色列可能寻求伊朗的政权更迭,尽管其他以色列官员否认这是官方目标。总的来说,我认为以色列的行动可能会使其国内更加团结,但伊朗人民普遍厌倦了现政权,只是缺乏组织和能力来实现变革。最终,即使以色列的行动引发了危险,美国也会支持以色列,因为美国始终将以色列的安全放在首位。

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The episode begins by discussing the ongoing conflict between Israel and Iran, highlighting President Trump's threats against Iran and the uncertainty surrounding potential U.S. involvement. The conflict reveals a division within the MAGA movement regarding American intervention in foreign affairs.
  • Five days of deadly fire between Israel and Iran.
  • Trump's threats on Truth Social, calling for Iran's unconditional surrender.
  • Israel seeking American help to attack a nuclear fuel enrichment plant in Fordow.
  • Internal conflict within the MAGA movement over U.S. intervention.

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The conflict between Israel and Iran is revealing a deep divide within the MAGA universe over whether to get more involved or stay on the sidelines.

This episode was produced by Avishay Artsy, edited by Jolie Myers, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Andrea Kristinsdottir and Patrick Boyd, and hosted by Noel King.

Further reading: There’s a bitter clash on the right. It could determine whether Trump takes us to war. )Listen to Today, Explained ad-free by becoming a Vox Member: vox.com/members. Transcript at vox.com/today-explained-podcast.

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