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Am I going like crazy or is like the internet gotten like the worst in like the past five years? Am I crazy? I don't think you're crazy at all. I feel like it's gotten significantly worse. Not the whole internet, but the way as in like the level of like fucked up shit. Yeah. Maybe there was a lot of messed up stuff like five, six years ago, whatever. But like, I feel like now it's all just out.

- I feel like it's just so normal. - It's so interesting how it's like almost like an opposite effect that's happening. Like for somehow, for some reason,

even though the internet or the internet culture and people on the internet in the past five, six years have gotten more PC than ever before. And yet like almost counter-intuitively there's more fucked up shit that is like come out onto the surface as well. - I think that's why. - In like retaliation maybe? I don't know. - The more you go PC the more that these people hate it. - Because like I've seen, I see shit now on like regular Twitter and Instagram that you'd only ever find on like the fucking B board. - It's weird man 'cause you're just like,

Am I weird for being like middle ground on everything? Like I feel like I have very normal opinions on things. But the more I'm online, I'm like, am I not normal? Do I have not normal opinions? - Yeah, like what is a normal opinion anyway? - Yeah, yeah.

just being, I feel like being fair. I'm like, I don't really have heavy opinions on, well, I see other people, I'm like, oh my God. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, common sense has definitely become less common. That's for sure. - I know, it's weird. - I don't know what's common sense anyway.

- Yeah, it does feel like, is this the point where the older generation starts talking about shit, talking to the new generation? You know what I mean? - Like these damn kids? - Yeah, 'cause I'm like, did you ever think like- - No, no, no, I think it's the opposite. I think it's because the internet in general has become more accessible to every age.

age group that were seeing all of this. Because before it was just like 20 year olds who gave enough fuck to go on. Yeah. And I felt that it was a very exciting time and everyone was like really into it and you know and new websites popping up. The new hip thing. Miniclip was still thriving you know. Farmville was still going strong.

- Mafia City, I'm just gonna keep naming them. - The good old days, man. - I feel like now because it's become so normalized and everyone uses it. - Do you remember a point where it felt like there was a separation between what you did on the internet and what happened in real life? - Oh, absolutely. - And I feel like when that barrier kind of like got broken where you felt like what happened in the internet was pertaining to your active, how can I say this?

'Cause like, internet is real life, but it didn't feel so like suffocating. It didn't feel like it had a tangible effect on your day-to-day life. But now it feels like whatever's going on in the internet, whatever's going on in the world has this tangible effect on what's going on in what you're doing every day. - You literally just explained the plot to Serial Experiments Lane.

Like that's literally what that is. - Wait, so what's the time you think it is? I'm curious if you have the same opinion on this. - What? - You said the time when it felt like that became. - The time when it felt like it became like that? - I feel it depends on how long you've been on the internet, right? Like did you ever do like MySpace?

- No, I came right after Myspace. - Did you do Myspace? - Did you have Bebo? - I had Bebo. - I did. - That was very popular in the UK. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Would you say like, so like the Bebo and Myspace era, it's like roughly the same time, I would say, right? Like when you were on Bebo and when people on Myspace were on Myspace, did you see that as like, this is,

like completely tangible to real life. - Social media is a game. It's like how I go into Sims and I make myself look attractive in Sims. - Yeah, 'cause like that's how I kind of traded my space as well at the time. It's like a social game, right? - Yeah, yeah. It's like, I think what really, the first time I really thought of social media as a game was actually, so Charlie Brooker, do you know Charlie Brooker? He wrote "Black Mirror."

- So like a few years ago, or maybe even a decade ago, I can't even remember how old this video is. He did like a top 50 most influential games of like all time.

And like number one was Twitter. And I was just like, what are you talking about Charlie Brooker? Because before that he talked about games like- - That's not a game. - Last of Us, fucking Tetris, all these games. And he was just like, well, think about it. You play as an avatar on an online platform where you gain points for interacting with the game. And I'm just like-

- Yeah, I mean, he's very right. He's like social media at this point is a game and we are all feel like the game now is our job. It is our job because we're- - We've fallen right into the system. - We are part of the system guys. - Damn it. - We can't criticize the system because we are the system. - We are the system. - We are part of the system. But that is definitely how,

social media has become. And I mean, like in a way, like I see, especially like YouTube and stuff as like a kind of like a game. I mean, it's been gamified to fuck. You post a video. You post a video and it even puts you on a leaderboard on like how well it's performed in the past 10 uploads you've done. But the game, the stakes to it or whatever you give it,

Like a game is, it's the same with anything, right? Like, you know, fucking Jump King, whatever, whatever it is. It's the game only means- - It's been zero days. - The game only means whatever you assign to it. - Yeah. - Right? So if you, with the videos, right? If you're making these videos for the purpose of cracking that one out of 10, then yeah. But if you're just making the video, do you wanna make a video? I wouldn't say it's a game. - Yeah, like when you get to that point, it's like, you're kind of testing the limits on what you can call a game, right? Like, you know, is the stock market a game?

- Well, yeah. - Some people will say yes. - A game that ruins your life. - Some people say yes, some people say no. - It's "Rulette" with extra steps. - It's "Rulette" with massive repercussions. - It's "Rulette" where there's a really, really boring option that will probably pay you back. Or you can spin the wheel. - Yeah. - You can spin the wheel. - Spin the wheel. - Oh, dogecoin. You know, come on. I mean.

- It's like deal or no deal, but it's actually serious. - I felt like the, I don't know when the internet started to become very, very real, if you will. But it definitely jacked up to a hundred at 2016. I think that was when it definitely like- - What 2016? - Presidential election. - Huh? - First presidential Trump's presidential election. I feel like that's when it just went,

Boom. That's when like the two, the split went like crazy. I felt like the left leaning internet, right leaning internet just went,

- I feel like it was before that. - I think it might be earlier and it's just that we weren't really aware of it. - You know what it was? - I'm saying, but I've started then, but that's when the dial went like fucking 500. - You know what it was? - What? - It was when YouTube rewinds started becoming shit. - Okay, tell me your theory. - I don't know because- - Or was that like 2015?

- 2014? - 2014? - Okay, okay. - I don't know, I'm just thinking back and I'm just thinking, yeah, when YouTube rewind- - As in when everything on the internet stopped being universally loved? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically when we started like being segmented, I guess. I just like, I'm just going, I just,

tried to verbalize how I felt. And I'm just like, kind of feels around the same time that I stopped giving a shit about YouTube rewind. So that kind of feels like it was 2014, 2013, maybe very, like very early on when I stopped, when the, when the internet stopped being like one conglomeration and just because,

and you see things happening and you just didn't recognize who this person was, who that person was. People stopped getting along and, you know, factions and groups started to form. Yeah, but that's why it took something like the presidential election, which is like the most televised election

horse race in existence, if you will. It's like, it's so, you know, other countries we don't, you know, the UK it's like, yeah, we have this whole thing about who the new prime minister is gonna be, but we don't nearly like make it as exciting, you know, as America does. America is so good at making a hype. - I mean, yeah. - And so I feel like it was the perfect event that was so polarizing and so well telegraphed with so much information and so many parties.

putting stuff into it, regardless of your opinion on it and who you voted for. I don't give a shit. I'm just saying you can't ignore the fact that this was a thing that just really took the internet and just fucking ran with it. - I think it's also around the time roughly when like a lot of social media sites were like just where that kind of discussion was just becoming more open. Like that was roughly around the time where like Twitter increased their like character limit. So people were like, so people, you know, could only tweet about like yay Obama won and that was it.

And now it was like, let me write a full fucking novel about how I feel about this presidential election. - And then, you know, this is when they also laughed at that is when the platform started having to correct

correct misinformation and that further caused more of a divide. And then now there's just different platforms for different opposing views. So now you don't even get to hear the other side. You're in an echo chamber. I feel like what was so prevalent about just not just the presidential election, but just that year in general was that it felt like that was the real turning point for

where social media kind of felt just like a TV show. It was like a part of entertainment, right? - Well, the presidential election is the most, is the best rated TV show of all time, I'd probably say. Everyone tunes in to watch the next episode. - Yeah, I mean, it even had like a buildup season, which was Brexit, right? We had like the mid-season- - Was that the pilot episode? - No, no, that was the mid-season twist, right? We had the mid-season twist and we're like, "Guys, this-

This show can't get any better. There's no possible way they can surprise me. Jokes on you, you'll never expect what comes next. - Just fucking look, right? Look at how they decide the nominee for the presidential thing. Look at that shit. It's laid out like who wants to be a millionaire? They're in the semi-circle with this amazing fucking TV show-esque Britain's Got Talent background and they all take turns, massive audience and shit. What is this shit?

Who gives a shit? Let the party pick and then we'll fucking decide who wins. This whole thing is so reality TV show-esque. It's so bizarre. Like when you sit down and you're like, what am I watching? This is fucked up. - Yeah. Okay, here's a question. Do you think that people cared about politics as much before and we were just like too ignorant because we were like too young at the time?

Or do you think people care more now because of the prevalence of social media and just so many people verbalizing their opinions and their political views? - I don't think it has to do with the amount of people caring. I think it's just has to do with how much we are just exposed to it now.

- Yeah, so I think one of the main things here is that you have to bear in mind as well that I think like with the internet, this has just given everyone the platform. So like before, if you wanted to get support as a politician, you had to go on like a TV show and say something, right? So you only had like what? - Or if you're in Japan, you blare out of a fucking megaphone in the street annoyingly. - So like now it's like, okay, so you have like the kind of perfect storm of like,

Now there's more ways to discuss. Everyone's on the internet. Not even 40, 50 year olds are on the internet. So they're willing to listen to you. Combine that with the fact that it's become really easy to give politics a kind of tribalism with nothing to do with it. Right?

So the whole vaccination thing or whatever and all that nonsense, not vaccines and nonsense, but the whole argument around it, it very quickly stopped becoming about the science and more just about like, which horse are you backing? So I feel like now it's gotten- It became political. It's gotten really easy to just-

assign identities to certain political views. And this is how politicians have realized that they can push their agenda. It's by just giving it like, are you a real American? Then you'll believe in this, right? It's like, how about you just, if you push, it used to be before, I felt like it was just about more so, it was like, this is the policy, this is what we're gonna do. And now it's like, all right, we have to give everything a meaning.

You're either with us or you're not. Here's the meaning between it and all that kind of shit. I could explain this better if I was more eloquent with my words, but unfortunately that isn't the case. - I mean, they did that subtly with the whole Ebola crisis, right? That was the exact same thing. Like it suddenly became like, are you with us or are you not with us? Do you care about these people? Then you should be with me. It's like, but it's got nothing to do with anything. - In what case, sorry, with the Ebola stuff? Like what do you mean? - Well, like it very quickly became like, especially in America, became like a political drive.

for like the campaigns and whatnot. And it's just like, well- - Oh, did it? - Yeah. - Oh, I don't remember. - Yeah, it absolutely did. And then when the actual election finished,

everyone stopped talking about it because it's as if it had nothing to do with the American elections. - Yeah, because I think it's just, it's much easier instead of proving yourself right to prove the other person wrong. - Oh yeah. - By proving the other person wrong, you're in a sense proving yourself right, even though that's not how it works at all. Like when did Ben Shapiro start owning people with facts and logics? Because I feel like that's when it started. - Around the same time, I believe. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Probably around the same time. - When it wasn't about,

being involved in politics, it was just like, you know, you start off watching someone else just like owning other people when they're like logistical, like logical arguments or whatever, you know, it became part of entertainment. - It was like the, what's this guy? The prove me wrong guy. - Oh,

- Steven Crowder? - Steven Crowder, right? Like that as well, just like fucking exploded out of nowhere too. - Yeah, it's weird how seeing these waves come up. First, it's just like, you have the group that proves the other group wrong and then after a while people get bored of that and then it's like people proving that group wrong and it's just like, it's a constant ping pong fucking thing.

- Yeah, as well, you know, there's information on a lot of things. There's always way more nuance than people want to get into, right? So a lot of the time, if you just take one correct argument or one correct fact about a flawed argument, right? You can just run with that and push that and say like, look, this is right. Even though in context, it might be incorrect.

but you can just keep running with something that, that you know that you can parrot and it's safe to do so. Yeah. And even then, even if you're wrong, it doesn't matter. Cause as we've learned is that if you're a narcissist and you're willing to not give a fuck, if people are trying to cancel you, people have real, people have learned that canceling only does shit. If you give a fuck. Yeah. And, and people are being rewarded in mass, uh, you know, and a lot of those people like that who, uh,

even though they get shit wrong, as long as they don't give a fuck and they just make something new or don't mention it and just continue on, it doesn't matter. You get what you want. You get your platform. You can continue. You can get new followers. Oh, you lost a few hundred followers? Oh, you'll get a new thousand. Who cares? - Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's never been more of a time when

I've realized that bad, was it like bad press or bad? Like there was no such thing as bad. - Bad press. - Bad press. - Yeah, 'cause it's as bad as you give a shit. And the thing is as well as a lot of people have realized and a lot of, you see this on YouTube as well on influencers, it's as bad as you let it seem it is as well. So if you're like, that's why a lot of the scandals around the presidential election that happened in 2016,

a lot of them, because if the guy who you're supporting is like, it's not a big deal. Then maybe you'll be like, oh, it's not a big deal. - I guess not. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like there's a kind of, it's as bad as they let it seem. If you address it and be like, I don't give a fuck or you don't even bother to address it, then you know.

- Yeah, I mean, I think you're right in a sense. And I feel like even more so was when it was like when Trump got elected, like, you know, regardless of your opinion, you know, of him as the president, for me as an outsider who is not any part of American politics, it was almost like watching

a character in a show. - They were. - See, going on your Twitter timeline and seeing some of the stuff that he tweeted. - He was like a cartoon villain. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Remember the whole Kovfeft shit?

- I don't care where you lie in the political spectrum. I think we can all unanimously agree that Carl Fifth was fucking hilarious. - And yeah, it kind of like, well, I don't know what the right word is, but it kind of like cartoonified shit. It kind of like cartoonified your real life and the world events, even though,

even though these were real prevalent issues and these had a real tangible- - There's nothing cartoony about it. - These had a real tangible effect on the world. And I feel like, especially a lot of the younger generation who have grown up in the age of the internet, that's kind of like the environment they've grown into.

Where everything, when it's seen through a phone or through a tablet, they just like, it's like suddenly not real. Yeah, because we were like, what, 20 plus when all this started happening? Oh no, yeah, 20...

Yeah, maybe I was like 19. But I couldn't imagine going from like 12 to like 18. And this has been your entire memory. This is weird. It's really bizarre. It's crazy. And we don't really talk about it on the podcast or political views or our political opinions because the most part, I don't give a fuck what you believe in. Yeah, exactly. I have my own opinions, but I'm also not... I'm not like...

I don't think I'm some kind of benevolent man who knows all this. I know that I have come to conclusions on things through flawed thinking, methodology, whatever the fuck you say, just 'cause of how I've been raised, right? And you've been raised whatever way you have. And if you disagree with me on things, I don't give a fuck how you came to conclusions.

I'm not gonna judge you. 'Cause I feel like one of the biggest problems that has come out of all this is that everyone's calling each other stupid for believing in something. And I'm like, I'm sure you have a reason. If we just spoke to each other normally and didn't polarize each other all the fucking time, we might have a conversation. - Just agree to disagree, right? And it's like, we're not here to fucking dangle a fucking carrot in front of your face being like, believe us because we hold the truth. And it's like, no, no one does. - It sucks as well 'cause obviously with the whole coronavirus stuff and that all got

- Yeah, of course it did. - That unfortunately came at the cost of people's lives. And you know, the people who felt they were right felt so strongly they were right 'cause they thought that, you know, they're like, yeah, we have to protect people. And yeah, that's fair enough. But it's kind of difficult to convince people when you're calling them stupid.

It's been shown that it just doesn't work. - No, no, no. I mean, I think another big massive thing with the age of the internet is just like the fucking overload of information, right? Where it's like, I remember a point where you'd read something in a book or read a newspaper or something and you'd kind of like educate yourself, but it feels like

There is just so much information right now that I don't even know what information is the right information to educate myself. - Right, right. - So many times I look at something online and I think like, oh man, this is kind of interesting piece of information. A couple of hours later, I found out it's total bullshit.

- It's like, what the fuck? - Welcome to real life. - Literally every time. - It's so true where sometimes you even, you hear about a story or an event and you're like, fuck man, that fucking sucks. - I get told by like five or six different people being like, have you seen this thing? And I'm like, well, fuck, if there's five or six people around me that I know and I understand who's telling me that this is happening, then it must be true. And I'm like, turns out, nope, all bullshit. - When you were a kid, right?

Did you think that people were stupid? Like you think that you're like too smart? In what context? Just in general. Like as a kid, I was one of those little kids that just thought like, in school, I think half the reason why I was angry half the time. So I thought like, this is so dumb. I'm smarter than all this.

- I can't even remember. I just wanted to play video games. I didn't really give a shit. I didn't feel that strongly about things. - And so I was like, I thought as a kid, I just thought I was smarter than people around me. - Right. - Yeah. - Right? - I think everyone had that phase though. - Right, right. But I think people don't grow out of it. Some people don't grow out of it. - Yeah, some people don't grow out of it, obviously, yeah. - Because, and it's really interesting, 'cause I was just scrolling on Reddit, God forbid,

And I saw this and it was like a post where I was like, I think everyone else is dumb and it's infuriating having to talk to people. Right. Yeah. And then it was really interesting seeing how people were trying to reply to this and kind of like break it down. Right. And ultimately, and I think this is really good and I think that everyone should keep this in mind because I feel that

We judge people based on how they speak, not how their level of intelligence is. And I feel like this definitely happens on the podcast. I've seen it in the comment section where we might have a bad take or we might badly explain something and everyone's like, well, Connor's dumb or Jerry's dumb. Garnt's dumb. He couldn't explain this. It's so hard to grasp intelligence

- We only can interact with people based on the things they say, right? Not how they think. 'Cause you're probably thinking about things way deeper than you could ever explain about it, right? And it's so hard to get that out of your head when someone's talking to you, 'cause you only have that to work on. - I mean, it's a skill and that's why I have trouble properly expressing myself unless it's written down, which is why a script, right? - Which we can't do on the podcast.

- Which you can't do on the podcast, unfortunately. But we can't edit it either. So that's why I know for a fact that I express myself best in text form or written form. - But also on the podcast, I think you're quite eloquent with the way you word things. - I mean, I've had some pretty shit takes on the podcast. - Oh, me too. - We all have. - Just because I was like...

- There has been several points where I look at myself arguing an argument and I'm just like, I'm a fucking clown. I deserve to be fucking cloned on. - True problem. - That has been a thing in the Trash Tate's comments. It's been like, it's a normal thing where they'll be like, I get what Connor's saying, but he explained it badly.

- I will admit, I'm extremely guilty of that. I do that a lot. And there are a lot of things that I try to explain, but in the moment, it's just hard to get the words. 'Cause we don't come into this, it's not a debate. We don't script this shit. We just turn up. - I get what you mean, but you probably should have double checked this. - Like the whole,

fucking the food illness thing. It's like, if you gave me 20 minutes in a room alone and I could write, I could probably prepare a decent argument. However, I don't. - If you gave me time to put it in an essay form, I'm sure I could tell you. - But also this is how real life is. And it's weird 'cause I feel like when I watch people as well speak, and again, this is going back to how,

Just general life. Again, this ties into the previous topics with the online, right? How we respond to people who have, or it might be, have bad opinions on things. We observe to be bad opinions. It's like, it's so hard in this current climate online to just give people the benefit of the doubt. And just be like, I think you mean well. And I don't think like this...

this opinion you have that could be hurting people. I don't think you genuinely want to hurt people. It could be like, you just have a bad, you just, you have been misinformed and you believe it. You genuinely think this is helping people. That's the problem though, is that like, I feel, you know, a lot of social media like Twitter, Reddit, stuff like that is like 99% emotionally driven. Yeah. Right? Because I'm just- That's just humanity.

- Yeah, that too. But also, you know, a lot of people like to think that like, oh, I see this massive post on, you know, massive comment replying to a certain shit take on Reddit, right? And they think like, oh, judging from the length of this whole thing, this must be a very well thought, well written argument. 90% of the time, no, it's emotional drivel.

But that's unfortunately how the nature of a lot of these internet arguments work. - It's so depressing. You're just like, even when you go on the Reddit, I'm like, look at it. And it's just, someone will say something that's a bit incorrect and it'll just immediately turn into like argument. It's like, I was like, why do you want to do this?

It's like no one's fucking citing their sources in these kinds of comment sections. It's all emotional. - Yeah, I mean, that's just how humans are always. And that's why I don't normally try to get involved on a platform like Twitter because I-

do you think anyone's ever changed their fucking mind from like a single tweet or like a Twitter discussion? I can't see it happening. - I'd love to meet someone who's like, you know, I thought about this thing, but then I saw, you know, XXXNOOBKILLERXX tweet that, I'd be like, yeah, you know what? You're right, bro.

- Opinion change, just like that. - I've seen threads that maybe, we'll just agree to disagree. Threads that you open up that show all replies and you just keep scrolling down and it just never ends. - The only time I see people civilized on the internet and always being really respectful of each other is when they're talking about porn.

- Yes. - That's the only time. - Yes. - People are so fucking polite to each other when they're talking about porn and they're so helpful and everyone's so helpful about it. But the moment it's anything else, it's like they just start going at the throat. - It's the image of like all the board members

- I think that's very good example right now. It's literally very civilized. - I just love as well the ones that are like, you know, going back to the whole like agreeing to disagree thing. Like I've seen so many Twitter replies of like how one side of the argument tries to, you know, stop that whole conclusion up being like, you know what? Let's agree to disagree.

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- That's how safe they feel talking. What the fuck? - That's the real safe space. That is the real safe space, man. - What? - That is bold. That is bold. - I'm into NTR. Let's agree to disagree. Shake hands. - It's like Steven with his actual profile pic. It's like, what? What? - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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- The porn community in any community is like the chillest people. - Isn't it fucked up that like a Pornhub comment section is more chill than like a YouTube comment section? - I feel like 'cause you have to interact in that community, you have to have a level of self-awareness, I think. - Oh yeah, yeah. - So I think that's where it comes from. It's like, you're just so self-aware that you just don't give a fuck anymore.

And that's when you're most Zen. - Yeah. - Well, basically it's a massive barrier of entry just to sign up an account to a porn site, right? - That's a level that I just haven't been able to take. I just don't want to give my Gmail account. - I just want to be at that morning where I'm like, I wake up in the morning like, making a porn account today. - This is the most trash taste segue ever by the way. Can I say that? That we've gone from like very serious topics to signing up to a porn account. I don't know.

- What kind of person is like, I need to just have my say in this. I gotta make it known what I think about. - I feel like there's steps because I've never signed up for a PornHub account, but I have for like hentai sites, right? - You have? - Yeah. - I have, yeah. - Because sometimes you find like a hentai and you're like, I want to remember this because I'm going to forget the name.

- I will say that as a free to play user of the porn universe, I will say the most annoying thing is trying to find a video that I did enjoy. - Yeah, 'cause the problem is, you know, after you do the deed, you're not interested in it anymore. So you're like, I don't fucking need this anymore. And then it just goes out the recesses of your mind and like fucking a week later, you're like, yo, what was that fucking,

- Like an A-class hentai that I found the other week. - There is a sobering moment when you're trying to type in the keywords to find the thing. And you're like, "I'm disgusting." And you're just scrolling through these videos trying to find it. You're like, "No, no, there's something wrong with me." - I've gone to the point where I've like anonymously gone into forums and asked,

- No you haven't. What's your profile pic? - I'm not telling you. Do you know what anonymous means? - It's gotta be Joey. I want it to be, you're like, yeah, 'cause no one would ever expect Joey to use his actual profile picture on the forum.

- That's true. - But now everyone's gonna use Joey. - Yeah, 'cause I was like, I didn't know anyone at the time, right? And I was in the exact same situation where I was like, I just saw this thing, but it was on incognito. So I don't remember what it was called. All I remember is like what the,

- If you could log in, do you know the login information? Do you still use his account? - No, not anymore. I don't even think the website exists anymore. - Yeah, that is the one problem with incognito mode is that it doesn't give you a search history or like a history of your- - Like the moment the post not clarity hits and you close that window, you're like, shit.

Why did I do that? I can't go back now. - Oh my God. - So yeah, I was like, one time I remember it. I was like, I remember what the girl looked like and I remember like a certain scene. So I was just like, hey, I'm looking for this one series. These are the details, help appreciated. Immediately like five people came back being like, I think it's this one. You should look it up. None of them were actually it, but I got great recommendations. - You got some new recommendations along the way. - I was like, oh sick, that's pretty close.

- I'll look, I'll look. - What's that? - What about signing up for, well, I guess it depends 'cause in hentai and stuff, it's different, right? - Yeah. - Normal one, I don't know what would compel me to wanna pay. - What do you mean? - Like a pay site? - I wouldn't wanna give my to one of these sites. Dude, that feels like such a, you know when you hear about these, which one was it? Was it the New York guy who was running for mayor of New York? - Right. - Anthony Weiner, was it?

- I think Iwina was one with dick pics. - Yeah, that was it. There was someone else who was like, they were running for a political position and then it was found out they were spending like five grand a month on pornography or something. And I was like, that's impressive that he managed to find

- That is impressive. - You're definitely not watching all of it. That's for sure. - Yeah. - 'Cause how could you? I don't think one person is capable of watching that much porn. - How many like, how many OnlyFans was these like subbed to? - Yeah, man, that's fucked. - The amount that's been terabytes worth. - I think we spoke about this, right? 'Cause I remember we spoke about that one YouTuber who had a porn addiction. - Yes, yes, yes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- I don't remember who it was. I do remember, yeah, that sounds familiar. - It was like the most Chad YouTuber apology, not apology video. - Yeah. - He was never accused of anything. He just came out, he's like, "Guys, I have a porn addiction. It's rough." I was like, "God damn." - Yeah, well, it was like literally ruining his life, right? - Yeah, well, it's one of those things that I can always fucking say it's one of those things. God damn, I gotta stop saying that. Connor, this is a message you stop saying. - It's one of those questions to you, Connor. - It's literally my question to you.

It's one of those things that people talk about and, oh, sorry, people do not talk about enough. And it's one of those things, people don't want to give credit to it or talk about it because it's just really embarrassing. Oh, yeah, of course. Don't give credit to how debilitating it can be to have that.

- If you have it, man, I hope you can get a help. I hope you can get out of it. No shame to you, man. - It's 'cause it's something that's just like, it doesn't seem like on the forefront of things you should be worried about.

- Oh definitely. - Like you can easily, it's easy to be able to justify to yourself, oh yeah, a gambling addiction, of course that's bad. - Yeah, right. - Or like an alcohol addiction. - Right, right. - Well, I'm just kind of destroying my body. I'm destroying all my relationships around me. Like a porn addiction because like porn is so secretive

Anyway, you don't really have anyone to talk to it about. - It's not an immediate threat, I think is the thing. 'Cause like, you know, you hear about, at least like, yeah, of course I watch porn, I'm an adult. Everyone does it, it's fine. You know, most people are normal, living normal lives, you know, while watching porn. And then, you know, you go down the rabbit hole deep enough and you realize, oh, it's actually fucked.

- It's just as bad. - At which point do you like accept that it is an addiction and not just like a recreational activity that everyone does, you know what I mean? - I think, I don't know. - It's tough. - When are games too addicting?

when you're addicted to games. - Is it the hours spent consuming that medium or is it the money spent consuming that medium? Or is it both? - I don't know. - Is it when you can't think of anything other than porn? - 'Cause no one wants to help people who are addicted to porn 'cause they don't think it's like a thing. - Yeah, because they're like, "Just stop watching it." - Or just turn to something people want. - Just stop. - Just stop jacking off. - Just close your eyes. Just put your dick away, it's easy.

- To me, I guess, I don't know what the actual definition of addiction is, but I guess when you should start being worried about it is when it has like, I guess like a tangible effect on maybe your life or in some way, shape or form. - Like affecting negatively.

- Yeah, that's it. A tangible negative effect on your life or an aspect of your life. But then again, like when does it become a negative effect? When does it just become like, oh yeah, I just had a week binge drinking with the boys because we were like partying a week, you know? Like at which point does it become a negative effect?

I don't know, I guess that's the hard thing about it. - I think it's when it's, I think in my opinion, I think it's when it's like, it's consistently for a long period of time and it's consistently just adding onto a negative effect. I think that's when it becomes like a problematic addiction.

Because like you can like, as you said, like you could have like a week binge of like drinking from morning till night with the boys. Right. - Yeah. - But you're most likely not going to be drinking for a while after that. Right. Like that, I wouldn't count that as an addiction. Like that's like a short term, like binge. - That's just destroying your body. - Yeah. That's just destroying your body and having a good time with the boys. Right.

You know, when it's like a constant amount every day or, you know, for a long period of time consistently and it's just getting worse and worse and worse and worse. I think that's when it's like, okay, you should probably seek help kind of thing. That in my opinion, I don't know.

- It's when you sign up to a Pornhub account. - It's when you're like, you know what? I need people to know how I feel about that blow job scene. Like that, it was so good. I need upvotes on my Pornhub comments. - That's the one thing I don't understand. I understand like, the thing about Pornhub comments is that I understand people asking about like say fucking Call of Duty's tactics or like fucking how to get past this level.

- Rather than people actually commenting on the porn itself. Like to me for some reason, like I don't know why you would ever comment on like a porno, right? As like, because you either like watching it and you're actively involved or like, I've never gotten to a point where I'm watching this. I'm just like, I want to verbalize what I think about. - What do people think about this? - What I think about this, you know? - My favorites are the ones that are just like, just so simple, like so innocent being like, oh man, 1823, what a hot scene. I was like,

- Yeah, I guess so. Thank you for sharing that. - I wish I was that open. I wish I was that open. - Yeah. Maybe one day, maybe one day. - What, do you wanna get to that point? - Who knows? Who knows, Joey? Have you seen some of the fucking shit that Sydney's been tweeting? I need to fucking calm her down sometimes. - Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if she had a Pornhub account. At this point, I think it's just Twitter.

- She's gone beyond. - Yeah, she's gone beyond, man. - No fucks are left to do. - It's like, why be anonymous when I can be known? - Oh God. - Jesus. - Anyway, have you guys been up to anything this past week that's not been depressing or? - I look completely different. - Oh yeah? - Just wanted to point that out. - Oh yeah. - I know we like brushed over that, but yeah, it's a friendship with Joey the anime man has ended. I'm Josh the manga lad now.

- Just the comments. So I got my ears pierced, that's one big thing. And then just yesterday I got my hair cut. So now I look completely different. - Yeah, you look like the hacker character in the movie that doesn't want to explain how the hacking works.

- He just kind of like pisses everyone off. - Yeah. - But they always need him. - Yeah, yeah. - You look like that guy now. - Yeah, I look like that guy now. But like, I just loved, so you know, 'cause I had like the, every time like, I feel this is very much like a YouTube thing, but like, even if like you slightly change how you look, or you know, slightly do something different, right? It's like, to some people it's like,

"What the fuck?" It's like the end of the world type of thing. - I think it's just YouTube comments work on the first thing they think they can comment about, they comment. So it's always the appearance 'cause you see that first. - And it's like every time I get my hair cut or I shave or I guess in this case, drastically changed quite a bit. Just my favorite things is just seeing the reception to it, regardless of if it's positive or negative. To all the people who said like, "Hey Joe, you look good."

I appreciate that. That's fucking dope, thank you. But my favorites are the ones of people just like losing their minds in a negative sense, like a family member just like- - Yeah, yeah. - What was the funniest response you got? - The funniest one, so the one I saw on Instagram, it's always Instagram that are the best ones. - Okay, okay. - But like when I posted the pictures of like getting my ears pierced, the top comment for a while was, "Is he gay or European?" And I was like, "Yes, I am a Jojo fan, thank you."

But then, you know, with the haircut, for instance, like, you know, some people were like, hey, you know, I like your cut G, you know, you always get those. And then other ones were like, you know, just like, I can't believe it. He is like L plus ratio. He fell off. - You fell off. - I saw a quote retweet that was dead ass saying like, you fucking fell off.

- And I was like, "Well, his hair definitely did fall off." - "My hair fell off." - "That's for sure." - "It fell off." - It was like, "What, because I got a haircut?" - It was the same when I moved to Japan. The same video, I also dyed my hair. And even though I'd moved to Japan, half the comments were just like, "Oh my God, his hair."

- Like your hair was like, oh, I have different hairs, you know, responsible for different funnies now. - I just like the fact that you've had like longer hair and like the same length hair. Now you have like shorter hair. - To be fair, this is the shortest I think I've ever had.

- I've never ever had it. And it's weird. - Does it feel good? - It feels good. The back of my head feels good. Yeah. But it's like, I don't know. - How easy is it to wash now? - Oh dude, that's the best part about having short hair. - It's amazing. I love it. But like, yeah, I don't know. It's like so many people were like, why would you do that to yourself? - Why would you do that? - It's like, like I fucking stabbed a kid. It's like, why would you do that now? And I was like, why not?

So as someone who like rarely ever changes their hairstyle, how'd you guys pick what hairstyle that you like do? Or like, how'd you pick a new hairstyle? - I'm not confident enough in my own abilities to ever change my own style. Somebody else has to do it for me. - Right, right. - And then I'm like, oh.

And then I stick with it. - Yeah, like to me, every time I have changed my hairstyle in my life, it's been someone else recommending me a hairstyle to change it to. And I'm just like, I don't know if I like this. I don't know if I like this. And it takes me like a good old, a good like gear or something. So I build up my courage to be like, okay, maybe I'll go for this person's advice and I change it. And I'm like, okay, well this is my new hairstyle now. - How did you transition from Sasuke hair to now?

- Was that a suggestion? - Yeah, it was a suggestion by my mates because they were like, "Mate, you need to stop putting this much gel into your fucking hair."

fucking just comb it down and you're like, no, no. The Sasuke hair makes me, everyone loves it. Everyone fucking loves it. It's never gonna change like this for the rest of my life. And I do it once, I'm like, yeah, the Sasuke hair is fucking stupid. I don't know what I was thinking. - I've decided my hairstyle based on what requires no gel or wax. I just hate putting shit in my hair. I always hated that. So I was just like, whatever I can do when I roll out of bed is the one I'm going for. - So envious. - Yeah. - 'Cause I need the product. - Yeah, I know you guys are like perfectionists. It's like hand sculpting the product.

- I mean, before today's episode, like majority of episodes is just my bed head. I don't do anything with it. It's so funny though, people asking like, "What shampoo and conditioner do you use?" I was like, "Head and shoulders." Fucking dove. Like it's nothing special. Yeah, I don't know. It's like, for me, it's like, I'm given like this job, right? Like YouTubing and just like being on social media where it's like,

this isn't gonna fucking affect my videos. It doesn't affect my job. It's just a matter of personal preference. So in my head, it's like, if I'm given this opportunity where I can kind of experiment with how I look and not really affect my job, maybe it might even affect it positively for some people.

why wouldn't I try it? It's like, you know, 'cause like with my hair, for instance, it's like, if you hate this hair, just wait a month, it'll go back to normal. It's gonna go back to the length you're comfortable with. It's fine. But it's like, you know, why would I not give it a go? - But also I feel like a lot of that is just people not being used to a look or a new look. - Yeah, of course. - Because I remember like,

I remember when I first started growing out like a stubble and everyone's like, oh, you look weird as fuck. And even I did, I thought, man, I look fucking weird. I look fucking weird as fuck with just a stubble. Cause I've never had a stubble or I've never like grown out a stubble in my life, even though I've always known I could. And I remember like, I was like working on my latest vlog and I was looking at, you know, I was looking at my, uh,

my trash taste video where I talk about trash taste. And then I was looking at the previous vlog I did before I was recording this one. And it was the BBC video that I did without a stubble. And I was like, man, I look fucking weird. Now I think I look weird without a stubble. And I look back at all trash taste episodes and I'm like, man, I look really weird. I don't know, man. - Dude, when you go back to episode one of trash taste and I'm in a fucking ponytail.

- Oh my God, I completely forgot about that. - I look at that and I'm like, you look homeless. I'm so glad I don't look like this anymore. But back then everyone was like, yeah, the Jesus hair dude, it looks fucking sick. And back then I was like, yeah.

I'm like, "Fuck's sake, not gonna lie." But now I'm just like, no, it really got to the point where I knew it was gross when even Aki's mom, who is the most fucking accepting, kind, never says a bad thing about anything, just one day was like, "I think you should cut your hair."

I was like, if you're saying that, maybe I should. - I never wanna hear that. - I think maybe I should. - Not my own mom. - I feel like I needed to hear that though. 'Cause like, that's probably how dire I looked. 'Cause like now I know what she means. I look back and then I'm like, yeah, you know what? If I saw a guy like that who I cared about, I'd probably tell him to cut his hair too. 'Cause it's kind of gross.

But it's like, yeah, I don't know. It's like, even with the piercings as well, it was surprising how a lot of people were like, oh, I thought your ears were already pierced. And it was like, no.

- Yeah, now that you say it, I don't know why. I know it's never been that way, but like you had that energy where you had your ears pierced. - Yeah, you did. - Really? - 'Cause like when you said you got your ears pierced, I was like, "Didn't you already have your ears pierced? "Or am I just like dreaming that up?" - Yeah, everyone said that. I was like, "Really?" - It is weird how much like just changing a little bit of your facial features can change the perception. When I was growing out my beard a little bit, I looked like fucking Willem Dafoe from "The Lighthouse."

And I was like, I kind of digged it though. But also at the same time, it was really fucking annoying. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Having it long. - You actually reminded me of both Linus Tech Tips more than anything. - Really? - Yeah. - Don't say that. - I don't know why. - He wears sandals and socks. - Put a side by side of Linus. - I love Linus, but he is not drip, you know?

I don't want to be compared to Linus when it comes to this. - I think he looks good with a beard. I just like, it wasn't William Dafoe, it was like Linus Tech Tips with a beard energy that I got from him. I don't know. I take that as a compliment. I think it's a compliment. - I want to get rid of it all. - It's not a diss, it's not a diss. - It's not a diss, bro. - I'd rather be Willem Dafoe. I hear he has like a 12 inch cock. - Yeah.

- Is that like the biggest change you've ever done? Aside from like getting your hair dyed and everything like that. - I think you turning silver was the biggest change, right? - That was weird. - Yeah. - When I look at that, I'm like weird. I liked it when it was half blonde, half brown kind of. Dirty blonde I think it's called. - Like when the silver was fading, right?

- Yeah, I liked that. I liked it towards the end. - I liked that segment as well. - But then it's like, I don't want to have to do it again. Also, I probably shouldn't be dying my hair when I haven't got much left of it. - Apparently that's a myth. - Is it really? - Yeah. - Is it really? - My hairdresser was saying yes to it. - But she's got steaks in it.

- It's her job to tie people's hair. - Well, no, yeah, but that's true. But also she was saying that like, unless you're like directly applying the bleach onto the scalp, which a hairdresser shouldn't be doing to begin with, it doesn't affect it. - True. - I mean, I don't know either way.

- I know why you're cautious about it. - I've got out of that phase as well where I feel like I need to dye my hair. I feel like I'm just in the, I'm in the boomer stage now where I'm like, it'll do what it does. - You're in the veteran stage. - It'll do whatever it wants and I will just deal with it. - It does feel like regardless of age, it does feel like a stage that every YouTuber goes through. - Yeah. - It's like, oh, it's the dyed, it's either they go through a bald stage or they dye their hair.

- It's the I'm a YouTuber with a little bit of clout. - That is kind of like the YouTuber midlife crisis. - People are starting to look at me. Maybe I should spice things up. - I never really wanted to dye my hair. It was like, I think I was- - What made you want to? - I think I was kind of interested in it. I was like, I've never tried it. Thought it could be interesting. And then when I met Char who dyes your hair, she was just kind of like, yeah, let's just do it.

And I was like, I was like, I mean, I think I was in that phase where I was like, yeah, fuck it. Everything in my life is changing. Why not? Yeah. So I tried it and I remember I didn't like it initially. I thought, okay. And then it got to blonde. I thought, huh, weirdly looks okay. I didn't mind blonde. Yeah. But then also,

- It did make me look a bit weird. - I don't think the silver looked weird on you to be honest. I think that compared to like a red or like a blue, you know, or like a standard, like I am a YouTuber, YouTube gamer color. Like compared to that, I think the silver- - Ninja? - Yeah, yeah. - Oh yeah, ninja. - If you had like ninja hair, I would have been like, ugh. - Strong blue. - Are you a Twitch streamer?

I mean, I've done like what? Five or six different colors now. I've done like red, blue, green, pink, purple. And now I have this like gray- - You should complete the rainbow. - I have, yeah. - You just wake up one day and you're just like, I wanna try something different today. - Which Starburst color am I doing today? - Yeah, exactly. But again, that's an easy way to date my videos, right? Like if I know exactly what era this video is from just based on what color my hair is. So it's kind of cool.

But yeah, I don't know. It's like, if you don't like this, that's totally fine. - You'll get used to it within like a month. - You'll get used to it in a month. - As with everyone does. - Yeah, I'm not even used to it right now. I woke up this morning, I was like, "Nah."

- Like who the fuck's that? - I'm just praying, I'm like, God, please, I hope I don't have a weird shaped head when I go bald. - Exactly, that was the one thing I was worried about 'cause like it really shapes out my face. - I don't know how, how do you know what the shape of your head is? - You won't know. - Yeah, you don't know, do you? - Yeah, until you get to like this length and you're like, oh, my head is fucking weird. - I feel like we should have found out a way to figure out the shape of your head without having to shave it all off. Science, come on, we must have figured something out.

- Just like it scans the contour of your head. - I'm sure there's like a fucking filter or something. - The filters always looked so shit. They always looked so cartoonishly bald.

- Like Lex Luthor. - No bald person looks like this. - It's like they just take this fucking Jeff Bezos bald. - Yeah, Johnny Sins. - Yeah, yeah, dude, they all look like that. And it's like, no. - Johnny Sins doesn't even look like a real bald person. - He doesn't. - What a man. - What a man. - The king of bald dudes. - Done many jobs.

Yeah, aside from Joey getting his haircut, I watched another anime this past week. What did you watch? I watched Jujutsu Kaisen Zero. Oh, you watched the movie? In cinemas. How was it? It was...

- Say it, say it Garnt. - It was okay. - Yeah. - Not made. - I liked it, I thought it was good. - It was good, it was good. - Did you watch it in 4XD? - What's 4XD? - Where they like spit on you and shake the chair and stuff. - No, I didn't know that was an option. - Did they have that for Jesus Christ? - Yeah, they did. - They spit on you. - They blow out. - Just one person just like. - They blow out. I don't know, I liked the animation, it was pretty.

- I don't know if watching Demon Slayer has just spoiled me in terms of like Shonen anime films, but like I went into like the, not with like the expectations that it was going to be Demon Slayer Mugen train level, but I did come in knowing that that was the last Shonen anime film that I had watched in theaters. And I came out being just mildly amused and just impressed by some animation points. But at the end of the day, it was like the most

seven out of 10. - Yeah, I was gonna say it's a seven out of 10. - Was the story good? - It was okay. - It was okay. - Bro, the people in the cinema next to me were fucking bawling their eyes out. - Oh yeah, of course. - And I was like, "You good?" - Literally everyone in the cinemas when I watched "Moogin Train" was just like light sobbing from every corner of the room and I'm just like, "Okay, I'm on now?" - This woman next to me was like full on bawling and I was like, "Are you okay?"

Yeah, because to me, Mugen Train, the thing that made Mugen Train special for a shounen anime film was that it actually felt canon. It actually felt like it had a real tangible effect on the story, whereas I know that Jujutsu Kaisen Zero is technically canon because it's technically supposed to be a prequel, but also it's starring a main character that we hadn't seen before. But no, it is canon. It's a prequel.

- No, it is canon. - It is canon, but it didn't feel like anything I watched in the movie had any effect to like anything I watched in the TV series. - Little bit, little bit, very minimal though. Mainly to do with the bad guy. - Mainly to do with the bad guy. And then I found out spoilers from the people I was watching it with and I was like, oh, okay, so,

- I'm not gonna spoil. - Don't tell me. - I'm not gonna spoil. But it had like, it didn't really have that much of an effect. It kind of felt like a side story, if anything, rather than actually having a proper, like I should care about all the things going on. And I think that's my problem with a lot of Shonen anime movies is that there's,

Zero reason for me to care about anything going on. - We spoke about this like last time we spoke about movies. - Literally every one piece movie. - Well, it's a good experience, but it is a bit odd 'cause it's like, I think it's been number one at the box office in Japan for 10 weeks now. - Yeah, of course. - Yeah, it's just large. - I'm not even surprised. - These things are just money printers.

After Mugen Train, every industry is just like Eagle Vision on cinemas now. That's where the money is. Yeah, I mean, it feels like the industry is definitely gearing up more towards movies because, yeah, we were- I mean, Heaven's Feel was fucking insane as well for that three-month-long.

of like all those movies too. - Yeah, 'cause like when I got invited to see "Jujutsu Kaisen" I thought, oh, it's a bit late, isn't it? Is it still gonna be in cinemas? 'Cause I missed out on seeing "Dune" because that was only in cinemas for like a month and a half or maybe even less in Japanese cinemas. But like,

with anime movies, it just seems like it just never goes out. - Dude, "Mugen Train" was in cinemas for a year. - Yeah, like what? - A year. - Like how is it a year later, people are still seeing it in cinemas and they're still making money off this shit? I mean, I guess that's why it's like the top grossing anime movie of all time. But like my timescale for how long movies are in cinemas are like completely fucking destroyed by anime movies because they just never seem to go out. They always seem to be in there. - How long has "Jesus Christ" been in cinemas for now?

Didn't it come out in, it came out Christmas Eve.

- Oh shit, so it's almost three months. - Yeah, almost three months. And it doesn't seem like it's even close to, it doesn't seem like it's even close. - Yeah, 'cause they have showings in 4XD, MXD, whatever. They have 3D and they have Dolby Atmos and there's like a fuck ton going. - Yeah, yeah. - Jesus Christ. - Like when I was stuck in Hokkaido because the airport has a cinema there, I was like, "Oh, maybe I'll see what's playing." Literally it was "Jujutsu Kaisen Zero" for every single play time. - Maybe they didn't have any other stuff.

- No, they didn't have this. - Wait, was it just one screen or was it multiple screens? - I believe it was two screens. - Oh yeah, okay, that makes sense. 'Cause there's a ton of cinemas all around Tokyo that have like 20 plus screens or something ridiculous. And you can watch, there's tons of foreign films, so many of them. - And you can watch Jujutsu Kaisen on seven of them. - Yeah, I watched Operation Mincemeat, that's what it's called. The one with Colin Firth.

That doesn't sound like a real movie. Never heard of that at all. It's about like a World War II operation where they like made a fake person, but they got a real dead body and gave it fake documents and then washed it up in Spain. Wait, is that like based off a true story? Yeah, it really happened. Oh, wow. Really cool. Really cool story. That's pretty dope. Basically like they wanted to make Germany think that the UK was going to attack somewhere they weren't. And so the way they did it was by floating a body to Spain with fake documents on it.

And then Spain leaked it to Germany and then Germany thought it was real stuff. Cause they made this person like look so convincing that they were a real person. It's a really cool story, but the movie was shit.

- Oh, okay. Is it a comedy? - It's a drama, but the problem, I guess, oh, it wasn't shit. It was a very- - How would you make that a comedy? - Five or six out of 10. No, no, it's like, it focuses on the personal drama amongst the people who are doing the operation. - Yeah. - And so it's kind of like- - It's like human drama by all means. - There's a love triangle and shit, and it's like,

"What, this is a fucking war, what's going on? What do we?" I didn't, I don't know. - The notebook of World War II. - Yeah, it was just kind of like, all right. Well, the thing is so interesting itself, like the whole story, but obviously there's not much known about it. So they obviously had to make a drama. - Build it up. - Yeah, yeah. - And so it's kind of like, I mean, Colin Firth's great. He's always great. - Yeah. - But it was just kind of like, all right. - Just me. - Yeah. - Well, like going back to what you said about, yeah, it was shit.

- I was having this thought the other day because like, I'm getting so bored of the word mid, right? Because like, it just seems like, like I tweeted out a tweet about like fucking Demon Slayer and the animation and somehow that was like one of the most toxic Twitter tweets. - You tweeted about Demon Slayer animation? - Why would you tweet about it?

- Why would you do that? - I just said Demon Slayer had good animation. That was it. It was just like, oh yeah, Demon Slayer, I watched season two and I'm like, okay, maybe it did deserve best animation. My fucking God. I literally had to mute that thread.

That thread compared to everything else going on in the world, that was the thread that I had to mute in the past week. I'm like gagging just thinking about that comment. - People are clowns, right? Like it does have the best animation. It's not even like a contest where people say there's other things that are better. It's not. Is the story the best? No.

But like people are equating the fact that they don't like the show or they don't like how much attention it's getting. Being like, it doesn't deserve the best animation. Listen, it does. It like it just flat out does. Does that mean that it's a good show? No, it doesn't. Is it a mid Shonen series like story-wise? Yes, yes it is. But the animation is fucking God tier. - I'm not associating myself with that opinion. - Listen, I fucking love Demon Slayer, right?

but it's the same reason why I watch porn. I like what's going on on the screen. I don't like the plot. - That I love "Demon Slayer" but is like the most like- - I love "Demon Slayer" but it's mids. - You heard it here first. - I fucking, I was so hyped watching it bro. But to sit here and be like, it's a complex storytelling. - No, no. - It's not. - It's a super simple show and I think like- - It's straightforward. - What does mid mean to you? What does mid mean to you?

- Mid means to me is that you can watch it and there are many aspects of it that you enjoy, but there's also a lot of aspects about it that just don't grip you. Like there's a lot about it that is- - Like "Jesus Christ" - No. - To me. - No, 'cause I was having this thinking. - I think the story is mid, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - As an overall show, it's good. - I think the story is slightly above mid. I think it's a solid story. It does everything it needs to. - Slightly above mid.

- This is such a fucking meme. - That's like saying like, it's slightly above shit. - It's mid shit because like- - The train movie, I'm gonna say it was boring as fuck. I was bored out of my mind watching that. - The whole way?

- No, okay, there was bits where it was good, but like the first- - First 60%. - The first like 70% of that movie, I was actually like resident sleeper, bro. I was sleeping. - I agree with you. - I think people forget that like, because everyone only thinks about the last fight and like the last 30 minutes of that movie, because the last 30 minutes were fucking great. They were fucking amazing. The actual part when they were on the train was to me pretty boring. - Boring as fuck. - It was pretty boring. - The part where they're like going to the dreams, I was just like snooze.

- Yeah, yeah. - Like literally snooze, literally snooze, yeah. - I don't know, it's, yeah. - Yeah, but like to me, like I had this realization that to me like something shit, like when I say, oh yeah, it was pretty shit. It was like, it's a five out of 10. To me that's shit, right? Whereas, you know, like I don't know why. - Is a five out of 10 shit to you? - I don't know why.

- I don't know why. - To me that borders on like average. When was the last five out of 10 thing you've watched? - You can tell yourself that five out of 10 in your head means that, but it doesn't. Five out of 10 means that. 'Cause you're never gonna give anything a one unless you really hate it. You never hear anyone giving a three or a four. - See, 'cause in my head, like I'm operating on like the MyAnimeList rating score, right? - So when's the last time you, in your mind, gave something a five out of 10? You could be watched, read, whatever, right?

- Because, right? Because seven out of 10 means that you didn't hate it, but you were happy. Like you had an experience that you were happy with. Did it blow you away? No. Five out of 10 means that you're not sure if you wasted your time.

And that's why it feels weird giving things that you're like, it's mid a five out of 10. - 'Cause like, I think a one out of 10 isn't even wasting your time. 'Cause at that point- - That's an insult. - At that point you watch a one out of 10, you're like, this is just entertaining. This is so shit. - This is so bad that it's good. - Like you watch Ex-Arm, you watch Berserk 2016, you're like, okay, this is obviously like fucking terrible, but I'm having a good time watching this just to shit on it. - So that's like, to me, it's like five is at the middle where it's like, all right, if you do nothing good and nothing bad, you get a five.

- To me a five out of 10, when it comes to anime, to me a five out of 10 is like, I finished watching it. I feel nothing about it and I forget about it in a couple of weeks. - Five out of 10 for me is like, have I wasted my time? I'm not sure. - No, no, no, no. Five out of 10 to me is have I wasted my time? Yes. This was a waste of time. It was, I didn't get- - But it wasn't horrible. - So what would you define as four? - It's because, huh? - What would you say four is then?

Four is okay. Four to me is like, I'm going to forget about this, but all I'm going to remember about this show is that it was a waste of my time. No, no. Here's how I think why, when we say what the average, when we say what the middle of the ground, what the average score is,

most people will say seven, even though logically you think it's five. - It's a five, yeah. - So if it's a five, it's probably like the lowest that you will ever finish a show. Because to me, if it's a three or four, I probably watch one or two episodes and I didn't even finish it because there's nothing in that to grab my attention. Five is just like, there was enough for me to finish it

And then I regret finishing it because it was- - Okay, I understand that. - Yeah, because there was nothing in there that made me want to remember it or left an impact on me. - But the five out of tens are like, in my opinion, they're the worst shows because they're just thrown into this pile of like, "Oh yeah, that existed." - What would you give Jujutsu Kaisen out of 10? - I'd give it like a seven. - Okay.

- Because it's like, because no, no, I wouldn't consider that. - It's slightly above mid. - It's okay. - It's okay. - See to me, right? When you say seven, seven to me is like, you were happy and had fun watching it, but the moment it's over, you don't feel compelled by the show at all. There's nothing that makes it like really stick in your memory. It's like, it's a good experience and you don't regret it, but nothing after the fact makes you wanna actively think about it. - But that's the thing. It's like with "Judas the Kaisen," like I finished it and it's like,

I had a pretty good time watching it. I was like, okay, yeah, this is good. But like when it was finished, I was like, am I compelled to go read the manga or like continue it on? Not exactly. Like to me, My Hero Academia is the exact same thing where it's like season one, it's like, yeah, it was great. It was cool. You know, I can see why people enjoyed it. I had a pretty good time with it. Am I compelled to continue on with it personally? No.

- What would you give the, did you watch the new Demon Slayer season yet? Have you watched it? - Yeah. - What would you give it? Personally, even though I said the story is not the best, I still think it's like an eight or a nine. - I'd give it like a solid eight. - It went hard. - I would give it an 8.5 to nine. And that's, the reason I say that is because- - We're all in agreement, the Demon Slayer council has decided. - Strong eight, strong eight. - It was amazing. - Because I don't agree that the story is mid, because a lot of people say the story of Demon Slayer is mid. And to me, like,

Demon Slayer's story, it's as simple as it needs to be, right? I feel like it's as simple as it needs to be to make the rest of the good parts shine. The problem with Demon Slayer is like when you have an arc like Mugen Train and there are like fights that don't stand out as much, it's like really, really apparent like just that the story and the characters don't carry the show as much. But with season two,

because half the season was just a fucking full on action fest. You're like, you're like, fuck it out. This is like an eight or nine out of 10. And like, that's the point where, okay, I don't really care about the story that much if the action just fucking slaps this hard. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? - How dare you say that to me? - You know what I mean? - How dare you say that to me?

- Wow. - I don't think we ever talked about that on the podcast, have we? - Yeah, you can cancel. - I'm too afraid to. 'Cause I've been on the other side quite recently. - Can you cancel it about talking about the animation?

- I'm just trying to think of like a five out of 10. This is the problem with trying to remember a five out of 10 anime show is that I don't remember. That's why there are five out of 10. Like the moment I finished- - What about manga? What about manga? 'Cause you read more manga. 'Cause I can remember most five out of 10 shows. It's literally like, I go to the list of isekai I finished and I'm just like, a lot of these are literally five out of 10. - Even five out of 10 manga, I'm like, I don't,

I just don't remember them. And that's the problem. It's like, it's so hard to talk about these kinds of like mediocre middle of the ground shows. It's because like, unless I recently rewatch it again, I'm not going to remember it.

I'm like, oh yeah, it's probably something along those lines, but I wouldn't be able to like, you know, concretely tell you like, this is the reason why it's a five out of 10. It's just so like, impactless that it's just like, oh, I didn't even know that existed. - Yeah. Do you feel bad if you feel like you've wasted a time watching a show? - No.

- You don't? - No, I feel like when you start caring that much about the media, your, the media, why? It sounds like the media, the system. - About the stuff you're consuming. I feel like-

you almost ruin a lot of it for yourself. Like stuff that you might've enjoyed, you just think you're worried too much about if you're enjoying it the whole time. - Oh, that's kind of where I got to unfortunately with that. Like, it's like, it got to the point where I was so selective on what I was watching to make sure that everything I was watching was worth my time. That if I ran into something that I was like,

Well, I just wasted an hour because of watching these first three episodes. - I don't know if this is like, I haven't consciously chosen to do this, but I've stopped scrolling or looking for shows. - It's just kind of whatever appears in front of you. - Whatever is recommended, whatever is put in my head. - I think that's the best way to consume me. - And honestly, I've been having a great time. - I honestly wish I could do that. - You have to watch anime.

- Well, no, it's not even anime. It's like pretty much every form of media. And it's not even about me like being like a fucking snob wanting to like consume the best shit. It's literally, I started really caring about it when I just didn't have the time to do everything I wanted to do, right? So like nowadays, like even if it's just like picking a game, I want it to be a game I could properly get into.

- But you're stuck in this cycle of constantly worrying if the game is good enough for your time and then you never- - And you'll never start, yeah. - You never fucking play anything. - Exactly. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's why- - Also, I feel games are way more of a time sink than an anime.

- On average. - Yeah, I mean, it depends. But like to me getting into a game, getting like properly absorbed into a game is just like, it's one of the most magical experiences and I fucking love it when I just get absorbed into a video game world. It's the same way that I get absorbed into an anime or absorbed into a manga or something like that. - Absolutely. - And like to me, I don't know, like because my time is so precious to me right now,

It sucks that I constantly have to have this little part of my head that's just like, "Oh, could you be watching something better that you'd enjoy maybe a little bit more?" Are you really in the mood for this? - I don't know, you optimize your schedule in every way, right? So I feel like the stuff that you consume should be the one thing where you're like, "No pressure." Whatever you watch, whatever you play, doesn't matter if it wasn't the game of the year, doesn't matter if it wasn't the movie of the year, just watch whatever comes up. Have an opinion on it. I watched that "Don't Look Up."

- Oh yeah, yeah. - What a shit movie. - The "Dicabria" one, right? - What an awful movie. - That was a five hour time. - I hated that movie. - You hated that? - I hated it. - I heard a lot of people hated it. - I was so fucking bored. And it went on for like an hour longer than it needed to. And like, yeah, there was some funny moments of it. There was some bits that I chuckled, but overall I just felt like I wasted my time. - Wasted time, yeah.

I was like, I'm glad I watched this because it gave me, even though I came out disliking the movie, for some reason that made me happy. I was like, yeah, that was shit. And it was fun getting to talk to other people who also thought it was shit. I don't know, I just liked it. - I think as well it's because like, even if you do consume something that is shit within that like specific medium, like it just broadens your horizon more

on the medium and it adds to the knowledge pool of like, oh, now that I've consumed something on the other side of the spectrum, now I'm a little bit more knowledgeable about what makes the good shit good. I'm definitely like that with music where I'm like, if it's on fucking Spotify, I'm just listening to it. - Right, right. Like I watched as well, I watched a Spider-Man movie, the new one. - Oh yeah. - And like, yeah, it was great.

because it was just great and I had a good time. My emotions are way stronger about Don't Look Up. Right. Really? I hated it. Right. You had more to talk about, right? Yeah, I had more. I watched No Way Home and I had a great time, but at the end of the day, I've already like forgotten about it and I don't care. And it was, yeah, it was good, but it was just- That was a movie I fucked up.

- I liked it a lot, but I just, after I'm done with it, I'm like, that was everything I expected it to be. And I had fun, but I don't feel strongly about it. - I think that's the thing though. It's like, the problem is like, I think the sweet spot of like,

you being able to like really gush out about something is like when it's on two ends of the spectrum, right? Where it's either like so fucking incredible, like 10 out of 10 masterpiece where you can just gush about your love for it forever. And then there's the other side where it's like, let me tell you about how absolutely atrocious this shit is. - Yeah, dude, I watched, could you Google this for me, Ashley? It's Robert Pattinson's movie.

I forgot the name. Fuck, I watched it like three weeks ago. - No, no, no, no. - Must have been a five out of 10. - Yeah, right, right. Must have been a five out of 10. - It's amazing. - Oh, okay. - Is it "Good Time"? "Good Time"? I can't remember what it's called. - Connor remembers shit things and then he forgets good things apparently. - "Good Time"? - Yeah. - Dude, "Good Time"? Please fucking watch "Good Time". It's so good.

This movie was amazing. I want you to watch it so badly so we can talk about it. - What's it about? - I don't wanna say anything, but have you watched "Uncut Gems?" - Yeah. - You know how it's just anxiety simulator? - Yeah. - It's that. And it is literally like anxiety simulation. It's so good. It's amazing. And it's just like a movie that when you watch it, I just felt like,

This was just, I'm so glad I watched this movie. Like I just felt like I had like experienced something special that a lot of love and care went into and that everyone really just brought their own game. Like it was just amazing. Please watch it. It's so good. A lot of Robert Pattinson's movies. - Is this in cinemas? - No, no, it came out years ago.

- Oh, okay. - Came out in 2017. - Yeah, yeah. So again, go and watch it. It's really good. I absolutely adore all of his stuff. I think he's really good in a lot of things. I'm really hyped for him as Batman. - I'm hyped for him as Batman. - Every movie I've watched with him after "Twilight," he chose weird ass roles that were just so good and he just nailed it. - But that's what I love about like, that's what I love about actors like that though, because Daniel Radcliffe did the exact same thing, right? It's like usually those like super popular typecasted actors who are like,

Now people are just gonna know me as this shit forever. So I'm just gonna go and do all the weird artsy Daniel Radcliffe movies. I've seen so many of them and they're just like,

man, like fucking respects dude. Like you can do shit like this. And now he's like doing Broadway shit. - Yeah, he's doing that right after. - Yeah, it's fucking great. Like, it's like, yeah, good on you. - I feel like that's like actors going weird and doing weird films is like the actual equivalent of the YouTuber getting the hair dye. It's like, guys, I want an image change. I'm just gonna do a bunch of weird shit now.

- Sure, they've all gone on like Shia LaBeouf as well. Like the one that's doing all the weird shit afterwards as well. - Which one did he do? Nymphomaniac? - Fuck, that was a weird watch. Have you watched that Garnt? - No. - I want Garnt to watch this. - Nymphomaniac. It's, what's the fucking director's name?

- You know what a nymphomaniac is, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, it's about nymphomaniac. - You know that's a three-parter, right? - Yeah, yeah. - It's a three-parter? It's a trilogy? - No, no, it's two parts, right? - Lars von Trier. - Lars von Trier, yeah, it's a Lars von Trier film. - It's two parts, right? - Two. - Yeah, two. - Is it a two part? - Yeah, it's two. I was like, well, you're about three parts. - Yeah, two, volume one and two. - Yeah. - No, no, no, not of nymphomaniac, like of that universe.

- Oh, no, the one with the Shia LaBeouf movies are two. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I watched them. - It's a universe? - No, it's like a trilogy of Lars von Trey movies and "Nymphomaniac" I think is the third one.

- You should watch this. - Or something like that. - It is a fucking weird movie. - It's weird. - And it's uncomfortable. - Yeah, it's like Lars Von Trey is known to make some really disturbing movies. - Very disturbing. - I've seen all the Lars Von Trey movies and "Nymphomaniac" is easily the fucking weirdest one. And I was like, oh, Shia LaBeouf's in it. - It's like you just go- - What the fuck? - You just go from "Even Stevens."

shut up sis. And it's like, oh gosh, oh God. - Oh good. I didn't wish to see Shia LaBeouf's butthole in three different scenes, but there it is, I guess. - I didn't mean to watch this movie. It came on the TV. - Yeah, how did you see it? It was on TV? - I was on TV. I was in a hotel and like- - Isn't it like an X rated movie?

- I think I was in like Bulgaria and it was on TV or something. - You watched it in Bulgaria? - I know I watched it. I watched it in a European country and it was on TV at like 2:00 AM and I couldn't sleep. And I watched it and just, I remember just thinking like, what the fuck? - Must have felt like a fucking fever dream. - It was weird. - Yeah, anything Lars von Trier makes is a fucking fever dream. - It's weird, man.

- How do you guys think like trash TV fits into everything? Would you call trash TV, like what rating would you give like Kitchen Nightmares or something like that or 90 Day Fiance? - I think it just depends 'cause like people, it depends if you grew up on it or not. Like during like, you know, were you surrounded- - I like the character of Gordon Ramsay.

- I'm invested in that character. I like it. I know that most of it, especially in "Kitchen Nightmares" is all faked. I don't give a shit. - But also that's the thing. It depends on like, if you were like raised in a family where like it was like a family event to be like, oh, it's Wednesday night, let's watch "Kitchen Nightmares." You know, that kind of thing, right? Like I didn't grow up in a family like that. So like to me, like I didn't grow up with trash TV at all. - We never watched it together.

- Yeah, so when I watched like- - I watched it on YouTube. - Yeah, oh, okay, okay. So like, 'cause like the first time I knew about like "Kitchen Nightmare" was like through like YouTube clips or like any TLC show, right? I was like, what?

what the fuck is this? - Yeah, just 'cause like I knew Kitchen Nightmares because that was like literally when I first saw Gordon Ramsay as well. It was the British Kitchen Nightmares as well, which was like, you compare British Kitchen Nightmares to American Kitchen Nightmares and it's like fucking night and day. Like not only the editing, but just how like toned down Gordon Ramsay is as well. - Tone down in the British one?

- Yeah, he's toned down. It's different, right? 'Cause it feels like in the American one, it feels like they actually get like- - There's a formula. - Huh? - There's a formula. - It is a formula, but it feels like they get like the worst of the worst fucking chefs and restaurant, like actual clowns to like present their dish to Gordon Ramsay. And it's almost like cartoonish in a way. And you look at the British one and it feels like it's just like chefs who actually give a shit about their food.

Who actually just like... Who just needs some advice. Who needs some advice. A lot of the times, Gordon Ramsay is like giving them like genuine advice and maybe they're too headstrong or maybe they're too like, you know, prideful to really listen to his advice. Whereas, you know, in America, it actually feels more like this is...

this is not even reality TV anymore. This looks so cartoony and feels so over the top that you just don't even take it seriously. - I just feel that way about like 99% of American trash TV. - You know which one the one I hate the most? I hate it 'cause I used to also watch it a lot. The fucking porn stars.

- Oh yeah. - What's that one? - You know it, you know porn stars. - It's the one, it's set in Vegas. - It's like the one with the bald guy and someone comes in and he's like, "I've got this thing worth $20 million." And he's like, "I'll give you 10 bucks for it."

- Oh, I thought he said porn stars. - Like porn. - We're British, we pronounce it the same way, Garnt. - Porn stars. - Unfortunately we're not American. They're like porn stars. - Yeah, I thought it was like- - We say porn. - Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no. No, I thought it was a fucking show about little porn stars. I was like, what is this reality TV show? - There's porn stars and there's also hardcore porn.

which is the other one. There was like a spinoff to that. - There was like a British version of it as well, which was just like- - What was it called? - Porn in it.

- Car boot sailors or something like that, right? - Yeah. It was like, that show is just so obviously fake, but also at the same time you're like, it's just cool just seeing weird shit brought in. - I've driven past the porn stars place in Vegas. - But it's fake, they don't even film it in there. - No, they don't even film it in there. They just film B roll outside of it. - And it's just like,

- Because it's in the most ghetto part of Vegas. It's so scary. - And then like, you know, there'll be this guy comes in, he'll be like, "I have this mummified corpse that's been sitting in my grandma's attic in Nevada." He's like, "Great." He's like, "Oh, you know, I know an expert. I'm gonna bring him down." And 10 seconds later, the expert's there and he's like, "Well, it is a mummified corpse. It's worth about $50,000." And then he just goes, "I'll give you 20 bucks for it. What am I gonna do with a mummified corpse? What am I gonna do with that?"

It's just so dumb. The whole formula is shit. - And then they just walk out angrily. It's like, "You're missing out on a great deal, man." - Yeah, I mean, what I didn't understand about porn stars is like when they started, I guess, introducing storylines. - Or B-plots, they're B-plots. - Yeah, they would be like B-line plots with their family that would get resolved in an episode. Like it's an episode of like "Happy Days" or something like that. - Same as "Storage Wars" as well. - Yeah. - Oh my God.

- I remember stories- - That was so big in the UK. The American one played on UK television so fucking much. It was so popular, it was ridiculous. - Yeah, thinking back on it, that was the one actually trash TV that came on Australian TV all the time. And my dad was obsessed with it. - I just loved it 'cause they would literally be a pile of shit in this room and these guys were like, "Sell that for 50 bucks, sell that for 20 bucks." Like, where are you gonna sell this to?

There's a used bed sheet. He's like, that's five bucks right there. It's like, no, it's not. You're not selling this for five bucks. What if though it's like all connected, like the trash TV universe where like they- The trash TV universe. Like in Storage Wars, they take all the shit and then they go to the porn stars place

I just don't get it. Cause it's like half the time, you know, of course there'll be these ones, these fake ones. It'd be like, this guy has a lot full of perfect rarity charzards. Perfect grain. It's like, well, obviously we can sell those. But other times there's just lots or something where it's just all shit. And you're like, even if you could make a profit selling this, surely the amount of time to get rid of all of this shit and

and sell it, it's just not worth it. Like, yeah, you could sell the pack of AA batteries for 10 bucks if you really wanted to, but why would you? Like, where are you going to sell this to? Like, are you shipping it? Surely that has to be taken into account. This is the only country where I see that working, you know, where you can actually sell the stuff and people will buy it and reuse it. They do have storage lots in Japan, but I don't think they sell them, do they, when they...

- No. - I'm pretty sure they don't sell that. - They actually use storage for storage purposes. - Yeah, but the store is not, I think when, if somebody doesn't collect it, I think they just get rid of all the stuff. - Yeah, they just throw it all out. - I don't think they sell them to the public, which would be a shame, 'cause we need a Japan storage wars version. - Storage wars. - Dude, that would be epic.

- Toneka said, "Thinks you can get a great deal." - I think I know more American reality TV shows than I know British reality TV shows. I can't think of like many. - You guys have "Naked Attraction." - We do have "Naked Attraction." - I love that show. - When I went back to the UK, that was still on TV. It was still airing on Channel 4. - You know the ones that actually, there's a reality TV show where you feel bad watching it. But even if it's,

I don't know how much of it's fake, but like, you know the debt collectors one? - Oh yeah. - That's the one where I'm always like, even if this is fake, should we really be making storylines? It's like, there's a bunch in the UK. We fucking love debt collecting shows in the UK for some reason. - We love watching debt collectors as long as we're not on the budget of it. - So what's the premise?

- They go and collect debts. - It's just like Jim owes the bank $50,000. And so Jeremy over here is gonna go over to his house and collect it. Let's see what happens. - But in the British one, it's just like some guy goes to their house. Hey, we've come here to get the stuff. And they're like, fuck off mate. No, you don't fucking get in my thing. Fuck right off. And they're like, they've got a high magistrates court notice to collect the stuff. If they don't, they'll start collecting things off the property.

And then the police turn up and then it's just fucked 'cause it's like, oh, these poor people who've had some horrible circumstance. And then we're just shoving cameras in their face while their apartment's being ransacked and they're selling the stuff off. - It's like, how do you feel? - It's like, yeah, they probably should have paid their debts. But wouldn't everyone pay their debts if they could?

- What is it called? A can't pay, we'll take it away. - That's it. What a stupid name. - Can't pay, we'll take it away. - I have never heard of that name before. - You've watched it, it's on channel five. - Dane, the life of a- - I don't watch channel five. - I'm gonna send you links. - I don't think I've ever watched a single program on channel five. - I guarantee if you watch one, you'll get hooked. It's horribly addictive. - Is channel five the trash TV channel? - I don't think, it's just the trash.

- Channel. - It's so addictive watching this stuff. - To me like channel four- - I don't know why, you just can't help yourself. - To me like channel four is where a lot of like the trash TV goes, even though I can't like think of any- - No, channel four is good stuff too though. - Yeah, but channel four, I think channel four is actually one of like the best channels. It has like the widest range and it seems like to be the most experimental as well. BBC is just like very standard. Here's your like fucking doctor who. - The Voice.

Here's the boys, ITV is just like, here's X Factor once again. That's a reality TV show actually. - Yeah, that's a reality TV show. - Yeah, I completely forgot. That's just like reality TV show just like times a hundred though, right? - But no one cares about singing reality. Is X Factor still going? - Huh? - Is X Factor still happening? - Oh yeah, I'm sure. - I'm pretty sure it's still happening. - Does anyone give a fuck? - Love Island as well, Love Island. Is that ITV? I feel like that's ITV. - It is ITV.

- Yeah, so you got like, I feel- - That's really popular in America as well, the British one. - Yeah. - Is it? - It's really popular in America. - Yeah, it is. - Oh, the Great British Bake Off as well. I completely forgot about that. - Which can't be called Bake Off in the US.

Really? They can't. One of the US brands has the trademark. Oh, like Easy Bake? One of them has the trademark to bake off. Bake off. So it's called something else in America. And they've had to like- Cook off? Something. They've had to actually, on Netflix, they've had to like-

over certain parts of the show. Really? Like the trophy. They did CGI where they changed what the trophy said. Wow. Oh, it's called The Great American Baking Show.

- The Great American Baking Show. - Yeah, because they didn't have the rights for the word bake-off. - Oh wow. - 'Cause for some reason a company owns the right for the word bake-off, which is weird. So yeah, they changed it. So that is popular in the US, but it's called technically something different. - The Baking Show.

- The Great British Baking Show. Just doesn't roll off the tongue as well. - It's not so stiff. - I know, right? I know. Does Australia have any reality TV shows? - I mean, we got like Australian Idol and like The Voice Australia and like all that shit. - How did The Voice get popular? Like at which point in time did we decide we need more than one singing reality TV show? When was X Factor just not enough? - I think it's because like shows like X Factor and like American Idol were like,

a lot of the times there was like contestant of like, are they like judging them on their actual singing or are they judging them on their performance? So people were like, we want to know if they can actually sing and looks don't matter. You know, like that whole like fucking like, you know, inclusive thing. - I just hate how they treat you, the audience as idiots and feed you these garbage storylines.

- I also just get confused about like the judges on a lot of these shows. - Like X Factor has like, or Britain's Got Talent has like fucking ruined so many fucking songs for me just because of like the user, I like the emotional, the emotional point. Like if I hear like, you raise me up one more fucking time. It's always you raise me up, right? - Yeah, like Golden Boss, you raise me up. - It's like the X Factor, wait, they didn't win Susan Boyle, right? - Yeah. - Susan Boyle went? No, she came second, right?

I can't remember. Did Susan Boyle win? So it's like, that is like the peak of how TV manipulates us to just want to, you know, they'll give you an underdog and they've got a sad story. Oh no, I've never had a boyfriend. Oh, oh no.

know you know and the show doesn't give a shit they haven't had a boyfriend but they're like look audience care care about this care about this they do all the time as well with like military stuff yeah yeah they're like you know they'll you know they'll be someone who wants to compete who maybe like served in Afghanistan or something and instead of just being like hey this is the talent it's like no you're the guy who went to Afghanistan your whole identity is about going to Afghanistan and you

and you're doing this for your troops back in Afghanistan because their one last wish is to see you perform. That's what they do. That's what they do. I was watching a thing with Chris in the hotel room, and it was a Britain's Got Talent person who was performing magic, and they served in the military. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was just insulting how they almost just shoved it down your throat. It's like, this is the guy's only...

as a human being is that he served in a war. And it's like, can we not just be people? Do we have to just like, do we have to just shove down these suggestible stories? - How about you follow the name of your show and just be like, do you have a talent? Yes or no? - Because it's not about that, it's about how is your story compelling? So in this magic show, this guy's doing these tricks and stuff and you know, not to minimize it, but it was almost beat for beat predictable. And there's this,

So there's this one trick where he was doing and he was like, oh, look at the clock and tell me the time. And so right before the point of this trick goes, I was like, Chris, to Chris, I was like, because Chris is watching it. And I was like,

I bet it's the time where one of his friends died or something in the war. No, shit you not, two seconds later, he's like, "That's the time when my friend passed in the war." - Oh my God. - And it's like, okay, don't get me wrong. I wanna say that it like, that is obviously horrific and stuff, but the fact that they're using this as like,

- It almost like even trivializes it because it doesn't feel real. It does like the impact is gone because it feels so manufactured. - It's just like, they might as well have just put up a cue card to be like now cry. - Yeah.

- Again, I wanna make sure I'm not diminishing it or like trying to minimize it or make it seem like it's funny. - It's not on the guy, it's on the editors of the show. - It's on the producer. - The shows probably heard this story or something. They're like, "Yo, play that up, play that up. "People wanna fucking cry." - Yeah, because like it's been proven plenty of times that the-

the auditions that we see televised in front of a live audience isn't actually like the first audition. They go through like several stages with the producers. I guarantee he was doing that magic trick and like one of the producers, like just like heavily suggested, yo, you should- - We don't know, speculation by the way. - Speculation, speculation. But I like, in my mind, I'm just like,

I feel like one of the producers just went, you know, I feel like you should kind of like try to integrate that storyline into your magic trick somehow. You know? - It's definitely kind of stuff that those, you know, producers would do. Like we've seen, you know, if you have a look at the people who have released the contracts and stuff, they're pretty predatory contracts. - Oh yeah. - Yeah. - Like a lot of the time, I think, I can't remember which one it was, either one of these shows, one of the British ones, is like, they, by signing the contract,

They owned everything that you would make that you would self-publish online or something. I think it was American Idol.

- One of them was like, yeah, so if you went to even audition and you posted content online, if they wanted to, they could turn around and be like, "Hey, that's ours, that's ours, bro." And that's just fucked. - Yeah. - What? - Could be Britain's Got Talent. - I think it might've been Britain's Got Talent. - I think it was, 'cause I saw the YouTube video about it. - Also, Susan Wilde didn't win. She lost out to diversity. - That's right, the people who did, I remember this. - Oh, okay. - 'Cause it was a big like, 'cause I think everyone at the time,

- I remember when this was happening when I was younger and everyone was like, oh, Susan Boyle's gonna win. So like there was a big effort to like make it so that she didn't win or like- - Right, right, right. - This is when people gave a shit about reality TV. Now life is the reality TV. We don't need this shit. - Just log on to our fucking Twitter and you get to see reality TV. - Where's Susan Boyle now? Hopefully doing well for a self-button.

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going on a show like that or? - That's a great question, Joey. Yeah, no. A part of me is like, okay, I saw a guy on YouTube, I think I showed you guys, he went on a show playing a character and then like just making fun of the whole process and like with the secret camera and stuff showing. - Oh really? - Yeah, but then I think the show took everything down. - Oh yeah.

but it was very- - 'Cause he signed the contract. - Yeah, 'cause he had to sign the contract to get on. But a part of me has thought, "I wonder if I made up a storyline and I really committed to it, how easy would it be to get on TV?" I think it would be pretty easy. Which comedian did this? A British one did it, didn't he? - Did he? - I wouldn't put it past British comedians. - Which one was it? Fuck. He made up like a storyline about, I think it was... - Oh, which comedian was it?

British comedian who went on Britain's Got Talent and it was there was like I don't want to say the storyline in case I'm wrong. Not sure. Give us a sec, give us a sec. Yeah. He did like he made it so that like his I think his backstory is like a Holocaust survivor or something. Really? Yeah, yeah. Something like that or something like Jewish or something. I remember it was like that. Well,

- While he's searching, I guess I'll add onto the conversation. But yeah, I don't know why people would wanna go on reality TV shows now when you can just post yourself up on YouTube. I feel like that need to have your five seconds of fame is kind of like, that need is kind of disappearing because at any moment in time, you post a TikTok, you can get a few million views. Just at a complete chance, right? - Well, reality TV has figured this out. That's why they often recruit people on social media. They go on social media and DM them, like, "Hey, we're from this person

"Britain's Got Talent, would you be interested in auditioning? We can guarantee you to get to like the second judges or something." - Sneaky motherfuckers. - Well, yeah. Have you not watched like clips of the talent shows recently? - I haven't actually. - It feels less like a talent show and more like, hey, 'cause there's people who are like from all over the world, like American and Canadian. It just seems like they're just getting anyone who does anything interesting to come on. - And who has a compelling story supposedly. - Yeah, it's more like they're less so,

a talent show of the people and more a talent show to just amuse the people where they just get acts from across the world. And then just loosely tie together a story. - It's the real YouTube rewind now since YouTube rewind isn't a thing anymore. - The talented people rewind. - Yeah. - I'll have to find it after. - Okay. But what was the story then? So he made up that he was a Holocaust victim. - Can I have your phone? I can try and Google it. I might remember. Oh, here we go. Yeah, Lee Nelson. Yeah, it was by Channel 4.

- What? - Who's this one? Look at the thumbnail. - Oh my God, wow. - And I think he made up a fake storyline about being a rabbi and something and whatnot and Channel 4 posted it. It was part of like Balls of Steel. - Balls of Steel, yeah. - Oh, I remember Balls of Steel. I didn't even know that was still going on. - It's not, this is from a while back. - Oh, okay. - I remember he made up some story about being a Hebrew

and playing a bunch of generic sympathy cards. And it was really easy for him to get on. And then I think he got to the live show. I can't remember what happened exactly. I think he then came out or something. But it was just like showing how easy it is to fake stuff.

- Yeah, I mean like, 'cause I haven't watched much reality TV show, not like much like of these talent shows, I should say, as much as I used to, because before like, it felt like everyone was talking about it, especially when you live in New England. - It was like inescapable. - Yeah, everyone was talking about, oh, who's gonna win, "Britain's Little Talent" or "X Factor." And now it just feels like, I don't know if it's just my social circle has changed or if the viewership has genuinely just had a sharp drop off, but like I rarely hear anyone talking about these,

big talent shows anymore. - No one cares. - 'Cause no one really, like the demographic of watching TV now is just completely shifted, I feel. - TV is just background noise now. - Yeah. - That's it. No one actually gives a shit about what's going on on TV. - Yeah, like I feel, you know- - Well, at least people under 40. - Yeah, like I feel like,

people nowadays would rather, well obviously would rather get on a fucking Mr. Beast video or something. - Oh yeah, yeah definitely. - It is weird actually, I had this thought the other day where- - That's the new like America's Got Talent. - Yeah, I did have this thought the other day and correct me if I've already talked about this on the podcast 'cause I can't remember if I have or not.

But it feels like YouTube in a sense has like, because the internet moves so fast, YouTube has become the new TV and it's almost like TikTok that's become the new YouTube in a sense where TikTok is this like,

big, like this big rising piece of media. And like, remember back in the day where every YouTuber, like you know you've made it as a YouTuber if you could appear on TV, if you could appear on old media. Nowadays, it feels like every TikToker is trying to make a name for themselves on YouTube. And it's like YouTube that is the established media and the established platform. - Yeah, I definitely think so, yeah. Just like another transition of,

Yeah, just weird. I don't know. But at the same time as well, it's like almost... There's a lot of YouTubers now doing the opposite where they're trying to jump onto TikTok now and making a name for themselves there because they think it's the whole grass is greener on the other side concept, right? Where it's like, which is the real...

main source of like income now or how many YouTubers do you know because I don't know many aside from I think Hank Green's the only one I've seen a lot on like TikTok and like YouTube shorts it's really fun to watch yeah he's going to like Instagram

from Instagram shorts or whatever the thing now, isn't it? - I've seen fucking Ray William Johnson on TikTok a lot. - Oh my God, seeing Ray William Johnson just like have his revival. - Seeing Ray William Johnson do equals three content on TikTok is like insane to me. - It's so weird because it is literally just like equals three content, right?

It's just like, this is the shit he was making 15 years ago on YouTube. - Yeah, yeah. - It's weird. - And like all these like new gen kids are just like, "Hey, have you heard of this like hilarious, like new wacky guy called Ray William Johnson?" - I don't think anyone's calling it hilarious.

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