We CANNOT Stop Arguing | Trash Taste #65
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- Welcome to this episode of Trash Taste. - Are you like from the future? - Silence, I'm doing the intro. Welcome to this episode of Trash Taste. I'm with the boys, Joey and Garnt, and I'm Connor, or Monkeys, people call me. - You okay? - No. - Connor suffered from a major cramp in his neck about a month ago.

- I had like a, my life flashed before my eyes like 10 minutes ago. I thought that was it. My neck was gone. - We were about to start recording and then Connor had a cramp in his neck and I'm just like, man, can you get any more like boomer than you already are? Is your body already feeling it? Are you getting your like nerfs already, man? - Maybe I'm dying already. Fuck, bro.

- I mean, actually, I have recently started to stretch every day after work. Just at home. I would go home and just do really simple 10 to 15 minute stretch exercises that they have on YouTube. - How did this start? - Well, it started because I found myself sitting at my desk all day or sitting on a set like this all day. And then I would get up and go, "Oh,

that's a sharp pain in my lower back. That's not normal. - I wanna make fun of you, but you know, I can't make fun of you if you're taking care of yourself. - Exactly. And you can't make fun of me considering you had a massive cramp. - But as a friend, I won't call you a boomer and ask you when you want your diaper changed. - Yeah, right? Like it's scary. Like I think like, I think to myself, nah, I'm not at that stage yet. But then I realized next month I'm 27. I'm like, you know what?

I'm kind of getting to that stage. I should probably start while I'm ahead. To just like fix my shit before it gets too messed up. - Honestly, I feel like a lot of people, especially when you're just in your fucking twenties, you just don't give a shit about this. I mean, why would you? You never feel any effects on your body? - You do shit that your body was not built to do. - Yeah, you don't realize this, but like you don't realize this until you like that kind of time period of your life comes to an end that you just realize, man, that's a,

that's a really short time period of my life. And I've just got the rest of my life now having to live with this problem because I just didn't fucking take care of it. So yeah, take care of your body. Like if there's one thing that I've definitely paid attention to, especially like, it doesn't matter if you're a YouTuber or you're just at an office job, somewhere where you're sitting at a desk for long periods of time, please, please Google ergonomics. It's really fucking important and it's a really boring word, but my God, like- - Ergonomic?

Like every time I set up a new desk now I have to like make sure it's just Ergonomically correct because I didn't realize This until not even when I was a YouTuber But like a year of working An office job and just my My screen was just Slightly off and like it was slightly Off center and I had to like

like tilt my neck just to look at it. And it's like, you know, it's something that I didn't really care about until like a year came past and then my neck really fucking started to hurt. - Me when I have to tilt my neck 1% less than I'd like. You will die now. - It's like you've made me tilt my neck one degree more than I'd have liked to.

You know what this means, guys. - Every day it increases by another degree. - As retaliation, I will bend your back one degree every day. - No, but that's the thing, right? It's like, I've also realized very quickly since we have the standing desks here, 'cause for the longest time I thought like standing desks were just like,

- That's a myth. - It was like a fad. I was like, come on, this is just like a new thing that's happening. And it's like, oh, people are health conscious, whatever. But the moment I started using it, I'm like, oh, okay, this actually makes so much of a difference because- - I just like the noise it makes. - I like the thing, it go brr. - There's just something nice about it going zzz. - But it's so, I realized very quickly, especially between working here in the office and working at home where I don't have a standing desk currently. I mean, I bought a standing desk,

recently because I realized actually how much of a difference- - Should we discover standing? - No, I literally did. I was like, wow, actually after using it, I realized why this is such a big thing and why so many YouTubers are getting it because it actually makes so much of a difference. - Yeah, like I never, it's so weird 'cause especially like when you're in university, right? You hear about these things that adults do to increase productivity and I'm just like, just work better.

- Just work harder. And then like, I don't know when it happened, but then like, I just noticed that my productivity just dropped because of this thing that I never really thought about. Like having a standing desk, for some reason, it just helps your productivity when you're standing and you just need a change in posture or change in whatever. - Exactly. - I'm pretty lying to myself when I feel like it makes me more productive. I feel like I just wanted to spend money and be like, look, it's productive.

- Look my desk move. - I'm productive now. It's like, no, I'm not, I'm lazy stuff. Or at least my definition of lazy. - Yeah. - I mean, I cannot work. I mean, I remember for the longest time,

worked from my bedroom and I'm just like, I don't know how I did that. - I did that for two years as well. - I'm jealous of people who can work in coffee shops. - Oh, I can work in coffee shops. - It's like sensory overload. - I can't do that. - There's too much stuff going on. - I love working in coffee shops. - There's people doing things that isn't me and it's intense. - Yeah, I can't do it. I remember I tried once to,

edit a video at a coffee shop. And I just felt way too like self-conscious because in the back of my head, I'm thinking like, these people must think I'm so weird looking, editing a video of myself. - I can't just treat this place like my workstation either, right? - There's just too much stuff out there. - Yeah, it's not my fucking area. I can't rip a massive fast if I'd like to. - Sometimes you just need to get out of the space that you've seen for like every day of your life for the past year.

- Yeah, so you're basically touching grass, except you're just drinking coffee with a bunch of strangers who you're never gonna see again. - How do you not just constantly keep buying coffee? - You don't. I just keep buying coffee. - What? - I think that's the whole reason why people work in coffee shops. - How much coffee do you drink anyway, Connor? Your next espresso machine is fucking dying. - Good, so I can buy the upgraded one.

No more, please! I would find myself buying like eight fucking Starbuckses. I'll know the menu at the back of my hand. I'll be like a tour guide who will come to Starbucks with me. I'll be like, no, don't get that. It's just terrible. I just...

I know I'll spend like $50 a day on coffee if I go to Starbucks and work there. - I know, 'cause like I don't drink that, oh, I do drink coffee. - See, I do. I drink an awful lot. - But you drink it so fucking fast, and I don't know how. - No, I think you drink it extraordinarily slow. - I think I drink it at- - It's like you're making love to the fucking coffee. - I think he drinks it at a normal pace. - No, you drink it at a normal pace.

- Yeah, probably you drink it. I drink it slow. - I drink fast, but he drinks it in the long run. - I feel like you're getting- - What the three wolves here? No, what is it? Fucking, not wolves, fuck. Pretty different. - Three pigs. - Three pigs, oh my God. - Three musketeers. - The three wolves. - Totally different childhood story there. Completely off.

We're just blowing our houses. - And the big bad pig came out. - Look, I'm saying it's most economically efficient to drink your coffee and just eat your food slowly, right? 'Cause you have more time to enjoy it. 'Cause like what happens when you finish your coffee? Then you just feel like you have an empty, you feel like you have a hole.

- You're assuming my happiness and my enjoyment of the meal is tied at my speed or the amount of time it exists on the table. That doesn't fucking matter. I'm just gonna eat it. That's what I like. When I stop eating it, the joy is gone. I don't savor the joy the slower I take it. That's absurd. - What are you a fucking speed runner? - No, no, I don't get enjoyment out of having one bite and thinking, damn, that's a good bite. - Sometimes you gotta savor the joy.

- You don't savor a bite? - Sometimes I do. But when it's Starbucks, it's like being like, I'm savoring a wipe of my ass cheek. I've had so many Starbucks, I'm not gonna savor it. It's a fucking Starbucks. - I think that's why you fucking drink eight coffees a day or whatever. You're an espresso machine, it's a fucking battered

- I'm a war veteran at this point. Like you just got back from World War II, man. I never knew it was possible for coffee machines to have NAMM flashbacks. That's why I saw yours. - I get value out of it, okay? - Every time you turn on the button, it's like, oh no, not again. - I'm getting my mileage out of that machine, whether you like it or not.

- I love an espresso. I can't help myself. - Oh yeah, we know, we know. - I just love it, man. I love the taste of dirt in my mouth. - Do you not like find yourself just being like, "Maybe it's too many coffees." - No. - Why? - I don't know. Why would I? - I don't know. Like, okay, so you obviously like the taste of coffee, yeah? - I love the taste of coffee. - Okay, so why not just drink decaf?

- I know this is a controversial thing to ask, but I have to make sure. I have to make sure. - It's just, you know, half of the- - If the caffeine doesn't work for you, what's the difference? - No, no, no, it does work, but it's numbed. But the kick that you get when you drink it is the same. - You sound like a drug addict.

- I'm actually on Connor's side here because not regarding coffee, but like for example, I like the taste of beer and wine. Have you ever had non-alcoholic beer and wine? - Oh, it's fucking horrible. - Oh my God, it is. - It's horrible. - It's like the coffee, what makes it so great is that that first sip in the morning is just beautiful. Like it's such a kick, an instant kick. - I agree. - And I keep getting that every single time.

So I keep coming back. - Every 10 minutes is another morning. It's a never ending morning. - No, because going back to like being able to work in a coffee shop, don't like, I find it so hard to just work by myself in my room sometimes. Like I just like the feeling of- - I get distracted.

- By yourself? - Yeah. - Yeah, I get distracted by my own thoughts sometimes. I don't know. Sometimes I just like having an atmosphere where it's just people doing stuff and people doing shit, which is why I love working in the office now when there's people here because like- - I like that too 'cause we're all working.

Yeah, exactly. But when we're at the coffee shop, I feel like, you know, I'm kind of, it's like that one guy who won't stop talking about Transformers at the party. I feel like I've just brought something to an area where- What kind of parties are you going to? Let me tell you, I feel like I'm intruding on the atmosphere of the location, even though I know, I don't give a shit when someone is working at a Starbucks, but I feel like I'm doing something weird when I'm working at a Starbucks.

- Well, I've always been that person that like, even like during school, I could never study on my own. I had to study with other people. Otherwise I just wouldn't focus. - I used to be, but then I swapped. I don't know why. - Really? - Yeah. - I flip flop between the two. I can do either, but if I do one for too long, then I just, I need, I need, I need like, sometimes you gotta change up your routine, right? - Because if you did like a full day of studying with your friends, you only really did like three hours of studying.

- Yeah, but that's three hours more than doing it on my own. - Yeah, but so I feel like I do 12 hours with my friends where six of it are, "Hey, have you seen this funny YouTube video?" And then three hours is actually studying. And then when I do it on my own, it's like four hours of solid studying. - See, I can't do that. Because even when I'm at home in my office and I'm like, "Okay, I have to get shit done." I can't just sit down and work for three hours straight. - It depends how severe the stuff is that I need to get done.

- I never find myself in that situation. - When the stuff I need to get done is like, it needs to get done today. I'll get it done today. - Oh yeah, of course. - But if it's something where it's like- - But if it's like, oh, you know, this video is coming out like a week. - The deadline's not coming up. - It'll be done. - I play some Apex. - Yeah, I just think there is just too many distractions on my work computer, unfortunately. - Your laptop doesn't have those distractions? - No, because, okay, when, it's like exercising at home versus exercising at the gym, right?

- I don't know about that. - No, no, no, no, no, no. I think it is 'cause like in theory, in theory, if you exercise at home, it's a lot more efficient, right? If you just buy a home gym, you can just exercise at home. You can fucking buy a Wii Fit. You should like losing weight speed run. But like when you go to the gym, everyone around you

is there for a purpose or is just doing something. It's being productive. - So it sounds like you want an office. - Huh? - It sounds like you wanna go to an office. - Well, yeah. Well, sometimes- - That's why we have this office, right? - Are you still working at a coffee shop now or is it here only? - I still work at coffee shops sometimes. - Okay. I don't think that comparison is comparable.

'Cause you know, a gym, your home has more of the correct equipment that you need to work. You have the cameras, you have the mics, you have, as a YouTuber, you have everything that you would need for a desktop. - You have the ergonomics. Starbucks doesn't have the ergonomics. - Yeah, and you know, I've seen some of the Starbucks, sometimes they're busy, man. You can't get the ideal chair. You gotta sit on those shitty stools. - Not if you go first thing in the morning.

- That's the way you're going, right? You can't just- - What, so I could get clock in before everyone else? Like what the fuck are you on about? - Honestly, this is how you know I've worked in a coffee shop. Like I know the peak optimal time to go to Starbucks to get the seat that I want. And the seat that I want-

It's like right in the corner. It's got a power outlet as well. So you can just work there all day. And it's just perfect. You have enough of an atmosphere where you don't get distracted by the people around you, but you still get the nice- - I can just imagine Garnt lining up first thing in the morning, 6:00 AM. Like, "Damn, this guy must really

- Everyone else on the business suits with their MacBooks waiting for their frappes to start working. - Honestly, you can't go during lunchtime or anytime past 4:00 PM here 'cause then it's just too many people. But outside of that, you get free choice. - I've never been to the Starbucks here and it hasn't been busy as fuck. - Okay, but like if your job, for example, if the kind of content that you did didn't always require a camera, right? Or, you know,

Sometimes a lot of the videos you do is just pure research, right? When you're researching things to buy and stuff like that. I feel like you can do that kind of work in a coffee shop and have a change of an environment. - But I could also do that at home. - You could do that. What I'm arguing is that,

if you need something to be more productive, I feel like a change in environment really does fucking help. - No, no, of course. - But I get so frustrated 'cause I'm using a laptop and I'm like, fuck, I wish I had my keyboard, I wish I had my mouse. I start getting frustrated that it's not as fast as how it is at home. I can do it way faster at home. - See, I'm like, to me, I get what you mean, but then because I'm too used to working at home, sometimes the smallest thing can just,

It's just like, if it's not like perfectly optimized or perfectly optimally, if something's not optimal, then it would just like distract me. - I also don't wanna wear a mask when I'm working. I just wanna be home. - This day and age, it's a little more of a pain in the ass. - Yeah, I just, oh man, you know, I just don't wanna work with them. Like on a laptop for like a few hours with my mask on, I'm like, I can go home and work and I can wear a mask and breathe.

- It's my air vent. - And go out. - And sneeze. - Yeah. - And also going back to the gym comparison, again, I was gonna say like the gym has all the equipment you'd want.

Your home is never gonna be as stacked as the gym. - Unless you have like a private gym in your house. - Even then, right? Like you won't get the cringy playlist, all of these things add, the water machine. - The cringy playlist adds. - The cringy playlist. - Yeah, the Justin Bieber baby that comes on occasionally. - What Starbucks are you going to? - No, no, no, the gym. - Oh, the gym, okay. - I enjoy the pit bull that comes on on repeat.

That's when you know it's four o'clock, right? Evanescence. Yeah, they would play the same songs. I loved it. I don't know why, but also, you know, there's just so much more at the gym. There's so many more facilities and the coffee shop doesn't have any facilities. You're downgrading, whereas the gym, you know, the argument to go to a gym is that you can unequivocally get an upgrade in equipment and you also get the environment. So I think that comparison, full short, sadly gone, changed my mind. Well,

- Well, the thing is, right? Because I feel like atmosphere is important and it's not all about equipment. - I agree. - If equipment was all that mattered, especially when it's working, then everyone would need fucking three screens and a gamer PC to make videos, to make YouTube videos. - Frankly, I think they do. - We know that that's not the case.

- As somebody who used to make his videos on a $300 laptop, I can tell you, I need the PC. I need it. 12 hour render times, I find a mistake, fuck no, man. You can't do that to yourself. - I'm not saying you can do everything in the coffee shop, but I'm saying if you need to change an environment, get out of your house sometimes, touch some grass. I swear to God, it'll help your productivity. It'll help, it'll help.

- Are you telling me that that Apex logo in the corner doesn't fucking taunt you every time you have like five minutes and you're just like, maybe I could play again. Do you think you can play Apex in Starbucks? - No. - You can't. - That would be true power. - I'm not a slave to work. Sometimes I can slack off for an hour and play Apex. Nothing wrong with that. It's a break. - Privilege. - I wanna also,

When you want to take a toilet, sometimes you've got to worry about, oh, my bag, my stuff's here. I don't want to pack it all up. No.

- It's in Japan. - I know, I know, but also- - Like any other country, I'd be like, yeah. But like I've got to the point where- - Also, yeah, but it's a bit different when we go to the toilet, when you go to the toilet, 'cause you take an hour when you're in the toilet. And I feel like you're tempting fate. You're really pushing Japan's limits on what will be stolen. It probably won't be, but I'm five minutes, I'm in and out, it's fine, no big deal. But also, I also like being able to fully immerse myself in the toilet experience. And I feel like I can't do that in the public toilet. You know what I mean?

- I've never been speechless on the podcast. - I can't enjoy a shit in public. - What is my report to that? - I can't enjoy. - Fully immersive experience. - I want to go to the toilet comfortably. - The toilet experience. - I agree with you in terms of shits, right? My God, we're fucking talking about shits again. - Welcome to Trash Toast. - I'm sorry to bring you up. - I cannot number two in public because I need my own private space.

- You can't go to the toilet in public? - Number two. - Why? - It's like a last resort, right? - What? Why? - Because I want my own private space, right? I wanna- - What are you doing? You shitting on the walls? - He's making art.

- What are you doing? - Okay, okay, okay. I don't want a time limit to how long I need to sit on the toilet. - You don't need to sit on the toilet. I don't give a shit. When I wave someone, I understand sometimes you have to take the time you take. I'll complain about it. If someone takes 10 minutes to shit, I don't give a fuck. He can take 10 minutes to take a shit. - Well, he doesn't want to be complained at. That's the point. - I'm not gonna complain at him. I'm gonna mutter under my breath when I sit down and say, fuck it.

- I don't wanna feel pressured. I hate it when I feel like someone's waiting. - Just don't feel pressured. - Just don't feel pressured. - It's not a see-through door. You can't see the fucking line. You're shitting, you're in your own bubble. - Don't rush the artist when he's making his art, all right? - We've all been there. We've all been there. You're fucking desperate for the toilet and you're like, you're fucking searching for any public toilet you can. Maybe you're in a Starbucks, maybe you're in a train station, right? And you go to the toilet and there's just this one guy who's just taking three millennia to take shit. - Is that you every time?

- It's fucking him every single time. - I don't wanna be that guy, that's why I'm just like, no, I'm doing it. - Oh, there's Garnt again. - I wanna have a comfortable experience and I understand that comes, it might take a little more time than I'd like. I understand that comes with the fact that someone else is gonna want a comfortable experience, I don't have to wait, I don't give a shit. Literally, I don't. I will wait to give that shit. I will wait the five minutes, the 10 minutes, whatever it be. Yeah, I'll be like, fuck sake, why are you taking so long? But you know, at the end of the day, I don't give a shit.

- You have some very, I mean, what a big man he is. - What a big man. Like you have some really fucking weird toilet habits that- - What do you mean? I don't have any weird- - Okay, so before we start recording Connor goes into the toilet, Joey, right? And he goes, "Do you sit down when you pee?" And I'm just like-

- I mix and match. I do both. - Do you have a penis? Isn't the whole point of being a man is so you can get your God given right to pee standing up and you choose to sit down? - I sometimes sit down when I pee. - Bro, I got like big ass cheeks. Sometimes it's just, it's like- - The fucking bidets have rotted your guy's mind. - No, no, no. - Is this what happens? - No, no, no, no. Hear me out. The reason why I sometimes sit down to pee is because when you're standing up- - You can't check your phone. - For one, you can't check your phone.

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- When you pee in a toilet, you can't guarantee no splash back. - Yeah, exactly. - And as someone who cleans the toilets in his own house, I don't want to clean that shit. - When you're wearing shorts and you pee, right? If it's like, if there's like a 30 centimeter difference between where your pee pee is and the toilet, there's going to be splash back. If you're wearing shorts, you'll feel it on your legs. - Exactly. - So when you go into a toilet and there's a urinal there, do you just sometimes go to the-

- Public? - The public toilet? - Yeah, if it's a public toilet, yeah, 'cause sometimes you wanna sit down. - Yeah, sometimes I'd be walking around for so long and- - Sometimes I'm just fucking exhausted, bro. - And God forbid there are no benches in Japan, right? So the biggest thing is a toilet. - This is the most unoptimized way to go to the toilet ever. Like, you should be against this. You're literally spending more energy to sit down, pee, than it is just to- - No, it's like two birds, one stone. - What? - What are you talking about? - He gets to pee and he gets to sit down. - I pee, I don't immediately get back up.

- I'm on my phone for like five minutes. I'm just scrolling. This is some of the best phone time I get. - And you're criticizing him for taking an hour to shit. - You take five minutes to pee?

- You're used to pee? - No, no, no, not actually five minutes, but like I play my phone a little bit. I play some Angry Birds, you know, some Cut the Rope, you know, the classics. - Of course, Doodle Jump. - You know how it is, you know. No, you actually genuinely take 30 minutes to shit. I don't think that's what I'm saying. - Yeah, I actually- - You genuinely- - We get to the point in this office where I legitimately go, "Where's Garnt?" - Yeah, we go, "Where's Garnt?" And we realize he's been gone for 30 minutes. - Did he go to the shops or something? No, he's taking a shit. - Okay, but like I'm not-

I'm not just sitting there for no reason, okay? - What part of this is take? Can you explain which aspect takes 30 minutes? I'm genuinely curious. - Are you performing like alchemy in there? Like why is it taking so long? - I don't know, sometimes I just feel uncomfortable if I don't feel completely empty. Like I need to feel completely empty before I feel comfortable stopping the process, right? - That is the first part.

- What are you talking about? - Sometimes you're just not gonna empty up, man. You just gotta get on with your game. - You're literally gonna be sitting there all day. - Just go back there. - I'm completely fine with that. - Have you not considered taking, like you don't have a limit to how many shits you can take a day, you know? Like you can, if you take a shit,

you get up and you go, "Oh, I'm- - You can just come back later. - About an hour later, you're like, "Oh, I'm a bit full again." You can go back. - Unlike video games, you can pause. You can come back. - Why do you have to be like, "This is the only shit I can take for the day. I'm gonna empty out when I can." - You're not a dog. - You've nerfed yourself. You've nerfed yourself. - How have I nerfed myself? - I have that feeling, right? Where I'm not fully empty. I'm like,

- Shogunate, get on with the day, man. I'll come back later and finish the job. - I take like two to three shits a day on average. - Yeah, me too, me too. - Just because like, I know, like I'm just like in and out. If I'm still full, it's all right, I'll be back in an hour. - You can tell within like two pushes if it's coming or not. - You don't wanna strain that shit. - You're not mean to wait. - You're depraving a good fucking experience.

- Bro, your ass muscle is probably the strongest fucking thing in existence. The amount you've probably worked that thing out is probably insane. You could probably crush someone's head with your anus, man. Jesus Christ. - You know, I'm gonna fucking say it. Sometimes the shits are the highlights of the day. Like sometimes you just need a fucking escape from your world. - Are you okay? Are your days okay? - All my days are fucking good, man.

- Are you kidding me? Sometimes you just need to escape from your man cave. You just need to go on your Twitter. - I just imagine that he's just eight hours in Starbucks fucking vein burst. He's like, I gotta go ship. I gotta go home. I can't do it here. It's gonna take one hour. - This is the black hole is coming in his asshole.

Like I will do anything to like hold it so I can get back home and just get in my comfortable space, right? You have, okay, okay. Like some of the best ideas, I swear to God, like human civilization would be like 50% less civilized

people didn't have a space to shit in comfortably. I swear to God, some of the best ideas come on the toilet. I'm not fucking crazy. - Listen, if you spend a majority of your day on the toilet, yes, most of your ideas are gonna be on the toilet. So that's where that's coming from. - All I'm saying is the toilet is just a comfortable space

with zero distractions. You're just free with your own thoughts. And the only place that really, the only place- - Sounds like you voluntarily put yourself in prison for 30 hours a day. - Yeah, also it's like, how much more chaotic is your, are there explosions happening in your room? Like how much more relaxing could it be compared to your own room? - I'm sorry, it's like there's two spots that you just can't take away from me. My fucking toilet where I can shit and my shower where I can take 40 minutes.

- 40 minute showers? - This man's morning routine, you know how there's influences, you're like, I get up at 5:00 AM, I'm gonna do all this shit. God's like, I get up at 5:00 AM, I take a shower, 7:00 AM, I take a shit, 9:00 AM, I'm ready to work. - Honestly, after that 40 minutes, you have the most productive hour of your life, man. I swear to fucking God.

- 40 minute showers. Dude, Africa would be a first world country if you didn't take showers that long. Jesus Christ.

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- There's one thing in Japan as well that I fucking despise. I think it can't have it. So there's this thing that you can buy and I've never seen it in the UK. I don't know if it's a thing elsewhere. In Japan, you can buy like these cushioned toilet seats. - Oh yeah. - So you can buy cushions to go on your toilet. And it's probably the most vile thing I've ever experienced.

and Garnt and Sidney fucking bought one. - Okay, okay, don't group me in there. - Explain yourself. - No, I'm not explaining myself because you know sometimes when you go to a house, right? And you can tell who the single people are and you can tell who the people who are either it's a woman's room or it's like,

it's like a couple. - Yeah. - I don't know any guy in the world who would actually buy a fluffy thing to place on their toilet. - Imagine it, it's like a fluffy carpet on your toilet seat where you put your sweaty butt cheeks on a hot summer's day.

And I was just like, what? I'm gonna sit on this? Garnt's cheeks, he's been there 40 minutes. Well, I mean, with the amount of fucking hours he's sitting on a hard surface, he probably needs to fucking cushion his ass. You could probably replicate Garnt from the DNA in that carpet on the toilet. You know what I mean? You could make a clone of Garnt. To me, it's so disgusting. I don't know why. I don't want fabrics near like a toilet bowl. It's worryingly close to the butthole.

- I don't like it either. - Is there a reason why it was purchased? Do you know? - Honestly, I- - Did you push back at all? Were you like, "No, Sydney." - Honestly, I woke up one day, I went to the toilet and I was like, "Syndy, what the fuck is this thing living on our toilet seat?" And I tried to get it off, but it's glued on. - No.

- No. - So I'm just like. - It's so bad. I hate it so much. Sure in the winter, maybe I can understand the purpose of it. You don't want a cold toilet seat. I get it. It's not that good, but it is like the most- - Heated toilet seats from Vintner for a reason. - It is the most disgusting thing in summer. You have to sit on a, it also, you know, when it's not even my toilet, I go to Garth's house, I'm like, "What do you use Garth's toilet on?"

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- I bet when I go to your house next, it's gonna be gone. - I'm gonna call you out, Sydney. - Or to spite, she's gonna put another one on top of it.

- So it's like extra thick. - Double that shit. - There are just certain items which you would never just, there are certain items I find that you would just never see in a guy's place or just a guy, like a bachelor pad, for example. Like, I don't trust any guy who buys candles, right?

- I buy candles. - Do you buy candles? - Yeah, I love candles. - I love candles. - Oh my God. - What's wrong? I love candles, man. They're great stress relievers. - I mean, they're great. - Wait, wait. You buy candles 'cause you like baths, right? - I love baths. - Okay, that's the reason. That's the fucking reason. - I don't, I'd say I take a shower, like just a shower without a bath combo every once a month. - Really? - I just bath every day. - Damn. So how often do you use your candles?

- My candles? Well, right now, obviously they're moving. I haven't really been using them. I'd say normally I used to like light it like twice a week.

- Twice a week? - Twice a week. - Do you have one for each room? - No, just my office. - Oh, just your office, okay, okay. - I don't want it really near my bed. I don't trust it. It might just spill on my bed. - I like having a nice scent in my room, but there's just something about candles and just having an open flame somewhere in your room that just makes me really uncomfortable. - Dude, fucking Aki puts on eight fucking candles throughout the house and I'm like, everywhere I look is a fire hazard. - I know, I know, right? - I never put a candle in a room that I'm not in.

- I would never do that. - Oh yeah, no, see- - I'd never light a candle when I'm not in the room. - Yeah, I get scared shitless when I'm like working all day and then I go to the- - We live in Japan. - Yeah, go to the- - The earthquake could shake you. - Yeah, yeah, exactly, right? - And I go to the bedroom and there's like three candles lit up and I'm like, "What do you want this room to smell like?" - When you go to bed, yeah, it's fair, but not when you're not in the bedroom, it's just dangerous. - I mean, it smells good, don't get me wrong, but it's like, one is enough.

- When did you start buying candles? - I don't know, I got really into it. I used to go on like candle subreddits for like candle recommendations. - Wait, wait, wait. I swear this has happened in the time period that I started to know you. 'Cause I've been to your place and I've never seen a candle before. - Yeah, I got really into it in London. I had like four candles in my bedroom. - Was it fucking Xena that got you into it? - No, no, I was the candle guy. - You were the guy?

the candle. It was all me. I bought one candle at a store one day and I thought this is good but it could smell better and then I looked for a scent that I thought would be better and I found one I liked and I started like learning what gives a good scent. You know, a lot of them don't really do good scents. You know, like the very...

You know, when you sniff it and like floral ones and like grassy type smells, they don't fucking do anything. Like when you burn that shit, it's not gonna last. There's a few that like the really strong like fruit ones, like cherry and stuff, that'll stay in your room for like a week. - I just want to know like, okay, so you got into candles for the sense, right? Why not buy like one of those

- Something that's not a candle. - So I do try the incense sticks. - Oh, like those air freshener things, right? - They don't do shit, air fresheners suck. - Yes they do. - No, they don't, they don't do anything. - They do, some, a lot of them do a better job than candles. - When you've had the Chad candle, you can't go back to the beta air freshener. - What about the incense stick? - Yeah, incense is a good- - I fucking, okay, I fuck with incense. - Of course you do. - What the- - You're a fucking monk.

- Wait, wait, wait, the, wait, what's the, sorry, I've forgotten the different, incense is the one you burn, right? - Yeah, it's like the sticks that you use to burn. - What are the water, the oil soaking ones? What are they? They're both incense, right? - Yeah, they're both, they're different types of incense. - So the burning ones are good as well, I like those. - The burning ones are good for like if you need an instant hit.

- If you just need to make the fucking- - No, it's true. - Are you smoking? - Shut the fuck up, Ashley. - You're totally right. The incense sticks when you burn them are much better for like an instant. Like you want to cleanse the room. You want a nice clean scent. And you say smokey, it's not smokey. It's got the nice charred scent to it that really helps.

- It's very relaxing. - Yeah, it's very relaxing. I can see why every fucking massage place has one. - Yeah, I like the, I find that the oil ones are very good if you wanna have a 24 hour one for maybe two weeks tops. - I think the oil ones are the best.

And I feel like a lot of guys don't really consider scents. - I have one in every room. - And the only reason I did was because I started dating someone and then I'm just like, "Hmm, this actually smells, actually make the room feel good." Who fucking knew, right?

- I have one in my living room, bedroom and office. - Yeah. - 'Cause I just wanna have every room centered. - But I'm just like, why use candles when you have the oil sticks or the incense? Because candles are aesthetic. - Candles are more of a, if you really wanna feel like you're relaxing, the flame along with- - It's like a fireplace. - It's a safe fireplace. - Not in Japan.

- You can't get a fireplace in Japan, so the next best thing is a candle. - No, 'cause candles don't make, you know, there's, if you're not- - I'm fucking stressed as fuck when I see a can, an open flame next to the carpet. Are you kidding me? Like in Japan? One little earthquake and you're just bye-bye, say bye-bye apartment. - As long as you trim the wick to the right size, make sure it's not burning too aggressively, make it burn slowly. - The fuck are you talking about?

I had like specific scissors for trimming wicks. - Are you serious? - Yeah. 'Cause I used to buy big candles. - How do you never talk to them? How am I just finding out? - I don't know, it's just candles, isn't it? It's not a big deal. - For a guy, it's a big deal. - I feel like for a guy, it's a big deal. - So occasionally I'd buy like, there was like Yankee candles. That's like the,

I've just gotten into candles, candles. These are basic bitch candles. This is baby's first, I'm getting into candles. - Are you really about to gatekeep candles? - No, I was, honestly. - He's a candle connoisseur. - 'Cause the Yankee candles, you get very artificial scents and you can get big ones and you get a good value for money. But the problem is that, 'cause they're so big, they're like this fucking big, I have to like,

one week or two days of using it, the shit goes tunnels right down. It's a candle term by the way, tunneling. You wouldn't understand if you went into it. No, but it like, so it goes right down and you have to like, but depending on how you burn it, you can't just keep burning it. Otherwise it will just dig down. So you have to like, you have to be smart. - Do you buy like custom made candles?

- I really liked them when you go to, there was some candle stores in London that did really nice candles, really expensive, but man, the scents were so nice. And you would get like really nice spreading scents. A lot, like I said, like I'd say half of the candles out there, like you can get an Amazon shit, don't do anything. They just burn and then you're like, I can't smell shit. Great. Like the scent should be strong, but not last too long.

- No, I'm part of the incense master race. - No, that is good. - That to me, like nothing- - As a candle boy, I both have their place. - Nothing to me can beat an incense. And to me, candles are just like the middle child. - Yeah. I wonder why though. - I wonder too. - God was in the dictionary. Incense, I like these two.

- One of like the most surprising tangents we've ever gone on Trash Taste. - I swear I mentioned I like candles before. - No, you've never. - That's why we're freaking out. - Neither are on Trash Taste or- - Or in real life. - This is real life Joey. - Also it's great, you know, I'm easy to buy gifts for. You can just buy me a nice candle. - I wish I fucking knew that. - Just get a nice candle. - 'Cause every time I'm like, well shit, he has everything Jojo related. I literally can't get him anything anymore.

- But now I know you like candles. I'll just get you a fucking candle. - Give me an expensive candle. Nice one. Don't give me a cheap one. - Yeah, but now you have to get a candle that impresses him. - Yeah, that's right. - Oh, great. - Nevermind. - Don't get me, I don't like candles that are like carved into shapes. That's a load of nonsense. You're just tacking on value to nothing. Get me a good candle. You know what I mean?

- Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of nice candles out there. Shout out to the local candle makers in your area. If there is one, they probably make good candles. - What do you guys think of like scented soaps? Like homemade soaps? - Oh God, I know what you're gonna say. - I mean, I'm only mentioning this is because like Sydney recently really got into making custom made soaps. And you know, they,

- Honestly, honestly, I'm kind of sold. I like the smell, they look good, they look aesthetic. The only problem with like custom made and scented soaps is that they look great when you just get them. When they're like a square- - When it starts to melt. - When it's like a square block, it looks so aesthetic, it looks great. And then you use it for like two weeks and like shit's falling out of it. Like she puts like fresh flowers in it and it looks fucking amazing. Until the flowers start fucking,

- Fording off and fording in the sink. - I really like the, like the hot soap. I don't know when I started preferring it to like the pump soaps. - The hand soap?

- Hand soap and body. I like the bricks. - Oh, I don't like the body soaps. - You don't? - No, no, no. - I feel like it really gets on your body. I feel like it really deep cleans you as opposed to like the just like liquid soaps that you get. - It depends. - What I love about liquid soaps is that it feels like it just coats your body. - I agree, but like the hand soap really gets in there and you can get some real nice scents. - It just feels rough.

- It feels rough. - No, that's what I like. It feels like it's really fucking cleaning my skin. - And I feel like- - I've dead ass never thought that deep. - Joey's just sitting here being like- - I'm just like, does it wash my body? Yes. - You can get soaps with like, I'm going off on one today, aren't I? You can get soaps with stuff in them that is like little coarse material so that even when it's like you're going away, it feels quite coarse on the skin. - I do like,

- I do like the kind of charcoal. - It's kind of like scratchy against your skin. - So it really gets in your skin. - So you don't feel like you're losing grip as well. So you can just kind of like go ham. - I like those because after you wash it off, you kind of feel like a cold breeze. - It feels so good. - And it's like, oh, that's what a clean skin feels like. - The reason I prefer liquid body soap at least is just 'cause I feel like the scents

stick for longer. Like I feel and smell fresh. - I do like the classic Dove body soap. That shit's- - You can't go wrong with that. - That's great, man. That just lather that stuff on. - Yeah, yeah. - In the onsens in Japan, there's like no limit to how many pumps you can do of the shampoo and body wash. And I'm like, I take full advantage of that. - Normally it's like you do one clean over, right? In the fucking onsen, it's like at least three. - I'm like, it'll be like, I'll be like, how much conditioner do I want? I'm like, don't stop.

- More, more, more. I'll do like 10 pumps of conditioner. I won't stop. I'm like, I want every, you know, conditioner sometimes doesn't feel like it gets in your hair. You know what I mean? I never use conditioner normally. I don't really feel like it's necessary. But in the onsen, I'm like every single like patch of hair that's left gets conditioned. And the body wash, I'm like,

- Pump, another area, pump. - You literally turn into a fucking Yeti in the onset with how much soap there is in your body. - I'm just like, I wanna be fully soaked up. - Yeah, of course, man. - I'm like, I'm paying for it. - It's just free. - It's part of the experience. - Yeah, fuck yeah. - They just see me like fucking slipping over 'cause I'm so soapy. Shit, I'm trying to get on the...

- Love it. - On the topic of cleaning products, at least, there's like one thing in Thailand which my mom always buys and I can't fucking stand it at all. And I don't know why she always buys it. Like, I feel like with toothpaste, it's just universally known that there should be like a bit alkali and it's like maybe minty, you know? Most of the time it's minty. In Thailand, they sell salt flavored toothpaste.

with salt cubes in the toothpaste. - Why? - And it's the most abhorrent piece of like- - Why? - It's the most abhorrent thing I've ever tasted and ever used at all. - What? Why? - Why would you put something that dries your mouth out?

- I'm so confused, are you serious? - Thailand, I don't know if it's only Thailand. I just know it's like readily available, like fucking everywhere in Thailand. And my mom always fucking buys it. - I used to measure in the factory and like, all right, so we're gonna make the toothpaste and then put the salt in. What? What? - Whoops. - Toothpaste is one of those things where I firmly believe you have to get a branded toothpaste every time.

You know when you go to hotels and you have their toothpaste? - Like the tiny white. - Yeah, yeah. And it just tastes like you've just put foam on your teeth. You're like, "I don't feel like my teeth got clean. Give me some Aquafresh or something." You know what I mean? I don't know why. I don't know if this is great branding, but I feel like,

It's just one of those products that I'm like, I need to get branded. - No, I'm the same. I definitely need something that- - It's also not that much more expensive. - I want like a brand that I know as well. That I'm like, I've used that before. I've seen that in commercials. That works. - Give me some Aqua Fresh, give me some Colgate. - Some Oral-B or something. - Yeah, Oral-B. Something that feels like it's doing something. - Yeah. - 'Cause sometimes, especially in the hotel ones, they give you like that,

like fucking tiny little- - The white one, right? - The white one, right? And like, it's meant to last you two brushes. 'Cause you do one in the evening and one in the morning. That shit barely lasts one. - Why do dentists tell you to use like a little bit? I wanna go in on my teeth. - Yeah, right? - I wanna do a full coat. - 'Cause you're only supposed to use like a P, right? - Yeah, when I do that, I'm like, I didn't do anything. - Do you guys floss? - No. - No. - Is this an American thing? - Mainly, North American thing. - Because I don't know a single person in my life

- Who flosses, I think. It's something that dentist always tells you to do, but I don't think I've like- - Dentists in the UK don't tell you to floss unless you ask them, "Should I floss?" And upon which they'll say, "Yes." But they won't tell you to floss. - I'm contractually obliged to say yes. - I don't know why. It's one of those things that North America just does. - I just can't be fucked.

- It's a lot of work. - It's a lot of work. Like I just want to get in there, brush my teeth. Yeah, it looks clean. - Ha ha, British, isn't it? It's brush your teeth, you got terrible teeth. - Yeah. - That's the meme they always say when you tell them you don't floss, but it's literally just outside of America doesn't do it. I don't know anyone in Europe who flosses. It's not common. You don't really see it in stores either. You have to look for it. It's kind of a specialized item. It's not just on the shelves.

But some people do it. I know some people who do, but it's very much of your own discretion to do it. It's not something that's taught to you to do. - Yeah. This is like a random tangent that I'm just gonna throw out. But like, since we're on like the topic of scents and on scents and stuff like that, how do you guys feel about massages? 'Cause-

- I don't know if it's 'cause I'm Thai and when I think massage, I think Thai massage. I can't fucking stand massages. - Really? - Yeah. - You don't like it? - Sometimes you get a massage and I'm just like, why did I pay someone? Why did I pay someone just to beat the shit out of me for an hour?

- I feel like I'm not old enough to enjoy them yet. - Yeah. - I feel like I haven't got- - I feel in 10 years time, I'll really love it. - I feel like I'm still at that age where I'm just worrying about every single aspect of the massage when I'm there. I'm like, what if they tickle my feet? - What if I discover a new kink? - What if I fart while they're massaging me? - What did you just say, Joey? What kind of massage is you going to? Well, you know.

What if they think my body's ugly? All these things are very, 'cause I had one where I had to like, we have to take off your shirt and stuff. I'm like, oh gosh. But you have to, right? - Sometimes you have to be nude, right? - Yes. - In some massage places. - I'm just not at that age where I can appreciate it yet. - Also to me, it's like, I don't know. My body isn't like sore enough that someone massaging me feels good.

- It feels good, but it doesn't feel like worth the like a hundred bucks you pay. - Right, exactly. - I mean, I hear stories because like, and this has happened to me as well, where you go for massage and like, it's so fucking hard that you just like tears start coming out. And people wear like a badge of honor. Like, oh man, I went to this massage and it hurts so much. I started crying and I'm just like,

- You paid for this. - Why would you pay someone to like tear your ligament? Like that just doesn't make sense to me. Again, like I feel, you know, when I get to like my thirties and forties, when, you know, naturally your body is gonna start to deteriorate where it's gonna start to get sore. That's I feel the point where I'll be like, fuck I go for a massage. But as of right now, it's like, if my body's sore, I'll just do a couple stretches. - I just feel like, you know, when I go to these massage things, I'm like,

even though I'm sure they're trained, I'm like, I feel like you just- - You're just beating the shit out of me. - I feel like you're just beating the shit out of me. I feel like you're not really doing anything. I feel like, you know, I wanna question the training authority approval to do this. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like honestly, like, especially like, I don't know how people can go to massages for like two, three hours.

- I feel like you need to know someone who knows the best parlor. 'Cause I've had it in hotels before. - Oh, hotel massages are the worst. - I just thought like, this is just weird. I just didn't like this. I felt like someone called you up, you reluctantly showed up and now you're just beating the shit out of me. I feel like you had no appointments scheduled today. - It's like cracks in the apple. - And I'm the asshole who scheduled one appointment today and you came in on your day off and now you're beating the shit out of me for it.

And I'm not saying you have to enjoy it. I don't want you to enjoy it, but I also, I don't want you to fucking hate me for getting a massage. I paid money. I don't wanna feel like I'm being his dad. - What do you guys feel about saunas? - I fucking love saunas, bro. - Really? - I am a weak little baby when it comes to saunas. My God, every time we go to a non-send and we sit there, like a minute passes, I'm like, I'm done. - 'Cause you're doing, everyone does saunas wrong.

No one goes in the water before they go in the sauna. - What do you mean? - You have to go in the cold water before you go in. - I just think I'm very sensitive or not sensitive. I'm like my- - No one enjoys going in the cold water. It's fucking awful. - No, no, I'm not talking about the cold water. I'm talking about heat. - Yeah, if you go in there,

- After just going in the onsen when your body's already at like 37, 38 degrees fully heated up, yeah, it's gonna be hell. Go in the cold water, then go in and you'll be able to do it perfectly. - No, because I just feel like, whenever we go to the onsen, I'm always the one who goes into even the water the least, just because like I can't sit or I can't like, my tolerance to being in hot places or like sitting in a hot place for like a long time is just fucking shit. - Did you go in the cold water, Con?

- What is that? - Did you go in the cold water? This is important. - Okay. - Did you go in the cold water? - No, I didn't. - There you go. - Wait, wait, you go in the cold water before you jump in the on-set? - The sauna, sauna. - I'm supposed to go in after the sauna? - You can go after and then go back in.

- Fuck that. - But like sometimes you go to an onsen and it's just like way too hot. I don't know. - That's why I jump in the cold water. - To me, it's meant to be a relaxing experience and I shouldn't need to like,

to have a relaxing experience. - Yeah, I don't wanna like give myself pain on the opposite end of the spectrum. - I wanna be comfortable. I'm not paying to give myself an ice bucket challenge. You fucking do that for charity, man.

- Yeah, sorry, I was Googling. So I was like making, I was like, I swear there's like health benefits to going in the cold sauna after especially when you heat your body up. It's like, there's amazing health benefits. - No, no, I know like saunas have health benefits, but it's like- - Also, when you get out of that cold water after going in the sauna as well, God damn does your body feel good. - Oh yeah, I'm sure. - That's like saying that there's a health benefit, which I'm sure there is to taking a cold shower in the morning.

but I'm pretty sure- - Next time we go to the onsen, please go jump in the cold water after, I swear to God, you'll feel amazing. - After the sauna? - After and before.

I'll go in, I've gone in after the sauna because that's what you're supposed to do and it feels fucking great. - You go in before as well. - Before, dude. - 'Cause then you go in the sauna and it's heating your body up, it feels very nice. - I just don't enjoy saunas. - It's 'cause in Japan they suck, right? Every time I went in Europe, it was like, you're in the sauna, TM with the boys. You chat and you laugh and you have a good time in the sauna, you talk. In Japan, it's like a- - You're not allowed to talk in the sauna.

- Yeah, it's like an interrogation room. No one talks. It's just like everyone's just sitting there and it's like really awkward. And I feel like sauna is where the camaraderie should come out with you and the boys, man. You've just been skiing, you've just been out in the snow, whatever. I don't know what the fuck you've been doing. But you talk in the sauna, you laugh. - That's me and you, that's us in the onsen though. That's where the onsen comes in. - You could do it in the onsen with less pain. - Yeah, but that's how you get through the sauna as well, by talking with the boys. - Get through the sauna. - Get through the sauna.

- Yeah, because if you think about being in the sauna, you can't say in the sauna. If you've never been in the sauna, I mean, you can't really relate to this, but yeah, it's a very hot room. - What a fucking sauna room. - It's just a hot room, hot room. - A really hot room. - What do you think of like saunas versus steam rooms? - I prefer sauna.

- What's the difference? - A sauna is like dry. - Oh, right, right, right. - It's like 90 degrees. - Yeah, a steam room is just like Japanese summer simulator, basically. - Oh, fuck that. No, it's all the way. - Saunas are way more common, but steam rooms are similar, but I don't think so. - Steam room sounds horrible. - It's not that bad, actually. - But I hate the humidity.

- Well, it's to get you sweating. - Right, and I hate that. - I like that. - It's nice though when you- - I prefer steam rooms because it feels like it takes longer before I sweat in the sauna. It feels good to sweat, basically. That's why you sit in the sauna, right? Steam room just like, it makes that process a bit faster, so I have to stay in there for a shorter amount of time. - I just feel like I get like a relaxing sensation that I just can't get anywhere else other than the sauna cold water comp.

Nothing like it relaxes me. - Have you tried taking a 40 minute shit? - I thought you guys were like a Xanax or something. - Melatonin. - It's so nice. If you're scared of it, just do one leg in at a time, just slowly get in there.

- I feel like you can't do the one leg at a time. You just gotta jump in. - Be careful though, you can go into shock from doing it. - Yeah, right? That's what I'm scared of. - You just have to, that's why you shouldn't, sometimes you shouldn't jump in. It depends on how hot you are and how easy you get lightheaded. I think I nearly went into shock one time when I did it. I jumped in and my heart was like, and I was like, I had to like calm down, but,

I should have spat. I'd like calm my body down 'cause I felt like I was gonna go into shock. - Oh, it's terrible. - 'Cause your chest goes super tight if you do too fast. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, you're basically experiencing hypothermia. - Well, you're going from 90 degree room to 20 degree water that like submerges your body instantly. So you need to be careful, but it is really fun. Just be careful. - I could die of shock, but it's bad, isn't it? - Some of the best things in life are very worrying. - Yeah. I mean, it's... - That's a quote.

I mean, like, I remember, like, there's this... There's, like, the fucking...

- Oedo Onsen, I remember us going there. - We need to go before it closes. - Huh? - Yeah, we need to go before it closes. - Might be closed by the time this episode comes out. - Yeah, but like there are some things which I'm fucking, I'm convinced is just. - We should talk about the onsen actually before we go into the onsen. - What do you mean? - About the Oedo Onsen, which is being shut down in Japan. - Oh yeah, should we talk about that now? - So yeah, unfortunately, Oedo Onsen, which is probably the best onsen in Tokyo. - The first onsen we went to. - The most touristy at least. - Yeah, the first onsen we went to, the first one that Jerry took us to,

is closing down. It's not because it's not going enough customers, not because of COVID, but because of this weird Japanese law where you can't lease land more than a certain amount of years. - Because they were literally renting the land and it's expired. - And it's insane, right? It's just amazing.

amazing, beautiful onsen in Tokyo Bay, right? - Yeah, in Odaiba. - Like it's right opposite the fucking Gundam as well. - Literally one extra Gundam. - So it's the perfect day trip because- - It's amazing. - Yeah, because you go there, you go view the Gundam, you see a fucking giant Mecha and it's absolutely incredible. And then you just go chill in an onsen

- And this onsen is unlike any other. There's like a whole summer festival area that is permanently there where you can do a bunch of summer activities. There's restaurants in the onsen. So once you get through, you can scan it with like this kind of like watch thing, like rubber band. You can get beer, you can get a full meal. That's delicious. It's amazing. There's so many different baths. There's an outside bath as well. There's a sauna as well. And like there's a salt bath. It's honestly one of the most,

- It's like a little like outside garden area. - You could spend all day there because like, have you talked about like the middle area where it's just basically- - Yeah, the summer festival area. - The summer festival where you do everything that you've seen in every summer festival

- You literally, you don't even have to go in the baths to enjoy yourself. - There's like an arcade there. There's like- - Good ice cream. The hot milk, cold milk. - Plenty of izakayas there. - You can get beers. You can have a full meal. Like it was amazing. And it's a shame that it's shutting down 'cause I don't really know any onsen that's like that. - Especially in Tokyo. - Is it shutting down this year? - It's shutting down in September.

- I think so. I want to go one last time. - So I think by the time this is airing, it's probably gone. - Shit, it's probably gone by the time this- - Well, it might be close. I think it might be like a week or two away. So, RIP. But yeah, it's an amazing onsen. I'm very sad to see it go. - September 5th.

- September 5th. - So what were you saying? Sorry. - Yeah, so talking about the onsen area, so there's this area, we've just bigged it up, right? But there is this area in an onsen, right? Where it's like a little stream that you can walk through that's meant to massage your feet.

- There's massaging your feet and then there's just walking on pebbles, like being in like some of the most pain in your life and calling that a relaxing experience. What about that is relaxing? - I can't take a single step in that stream. It's like lots of little like fucking goblins are just fucking doing this on the bottom of your feet like every step and I'm like, this is not,

- This is not relaxing. - Yeah, yeah. So they have this little stream, right? And it's like people walk on it and it's kind of like an endurance test, right? It's kind of like, you know when fucking like monks like test their endurance by walking on coals? That's what it felt like because- - It is pretty bad. - Because you have like little pebbles that are just like soldered into the grounds that just stick out. And it's just like, you're meant to walk on it and it's meant to massage your feet, right?

It hurts so much. And the stream goes on forever. - It's like 200 meters long. - Yeah. - It's not that long, but it's pretty long. - It's pretty long. - But then at the end of the stream, there's this little like service you can do where you can get lots of little tiny fish to-

- Eat the dead skin off your feet. - This is common in a lot of countries, right? Some countries do this a lot. - Yeah, Thailand has them as well. But it was actually like, so I tried it for the first time with you guys. And I think I still might have the video of us trying it for the first time. If we have it, we'll play it. - They're on my legs. They're cute. - Oh, it tickles so much.

- It's so rare in life that you try something and you feel a sensation that you've never felt before in your life. And that was me like feeling like the hundreds of little fish just eating the dead skin. It was just like having hundreds of like mini electric shocks on your feet. And I remember when I first felt it, it felt like the most uncomfortable thing I'd ever felt before. 'Cause I'm just like, what is this sensation? I've never felt this before.

- There's a service actually I found in Okinawa the last time I went, 'cause like there was another one in like a mall in Okinawa where they had the little fish. So I did it 'cause I think it feels really fucking nice. And then the guy was like, "Oh, if you go down the road, there's a service where you can do that with your whole body."

- I don't want to do that. - You can literally submerge your entire body all the way up to your neck and just stand there and the fish will just eat your whole body. - There are certain areas. - No, I didn't. They weren't doing it, but I was like, fuck, I kind of want to try. - There are certain areas of my body that I'm just like,

- I don't want fish coming anywhere near this area, man. - Eating the skin off this one? No, thank you, thank you. - Yeah. - I'm sure like, you know, maybe we probably wear pants and stuff like that so that, you know, your privates are kind of covered up, but still like- - I would hope so. - Could you imagine like little fish just like getting like under your arms and like on your back and shit? - I'm just thinking the fucking nipple, man.

- Probably need one of those nipple protectors. - You probably have to wear like nipple pads or something. - Wear a bra. - Wear a bra or something, I don't know. - No, they'll like sneak in through probably. - Yeah, probably.

- Have you guys ever had like a spa day or like gone to like spas, by yourself? - I haven't gone by myself. - By myself? Have you been by yourself? - Have you been by yourself? - I mean, sometimes you go to a hotel and like Sydney just goes for like a spa day and I'm just like, you know what? I don't really like spa days because that's like three hours of my life that I could be doing relaxing, doing something else. - Self care, go on, self care. - Is it self care though? - Yeah, it is. - Is it self care?

- How much more of a benefit does it do health-wise, you reckon? - I don't know. - Or is it purely just like a mental thing? - Stress is a big killer, right? So if you can- - That's what I mean. Is it purely a mental thing? - Well, yeah, 'cause it's a mental de-stress, but having your body beaten up or massaged or- - That's not relaxing for me. - To some people, it's very relaxing to have that.

- I tried it once actually when we were staying at a hotel with Aki and Aki's like, "Come on, just try it, just try it once." And I'm like, "All right, fine, I'll try it once." It was like three hour course and I was like, "For fuck sake, that's three hours of my life gone." And I did it. - That was a little too long. - And I was like, "I won't do that again." But that was relaxing. - It lowers my blood pressure until I see the price. "How much? 400 bucks? Fuck." The stress comes right back. - That's the second reason I don't like doing spa days. - Well ours came with the deal.

So I was like, oh, it's free? Fuck yeah, I'll do it. And I was like, it's good, but if I had to pay 400 bucks for it, nah. - Yeah, I could never dedicate more than an hour to doing something that's meant to be, I guess, relaxing. - And I didn't even experience like two thirds of it 'cause I was asleep. I literally woke up, I literally fell asleep while they were giving me a massage. And then two hours later they were like, all right, you're done.

And I was like, "Oh good." That was a great experience. - I did fall asleep in a massage once actually. I just don't remember anything that happened. - Well clearly you were asleep. - Yeah, you were asleep. - I just felt like I wasted money 'cause I just fell asleep and woke back up. - Yeah, right? - I mean, that's kind of the point, right? Either you fall asleep or you get beaten the shit out of you and you feel apparently better afterwards.

- I feel like when I fall asleep, I was like, I don't remember anything. Was it worth it? I don't know. I don't really feel more relaxed. I just slept in the middle of the day. - You could have done that in your hotel bed. - Honestly, that's what I prefer to do. I prefer just browsing my phone. Because the thing about the spa days is that you're kind of forced to do nothing. - Yeah, wait, what do you wanna do on vacation? What do you wanna do? What's your ideal vacation? I think we've said this before, right? But I just don't wanna do anything. I just wanna sit in my room. I like that a lot of the time.

- I want days where I explore, but I also want days where I just sit in the room and do nothing. - Oh yeah. - Appreciate the room's facilities and just relax. - My optimal thing is to just walk around town and just find good things to eat. - Honestly, if I don't have a good meal to look forward to, vacation room. - Or vacation, I eat like four meals, five meals a day. I just turn into an absolute glutton. I'm like ice cream.

- After every meal? Don't mind if I do. - But then my idea for it is like, yes, I'm eating a lot, but I'll walk it off. I'll walk it off. - I'm like, yes, I'm eating a lot and I like it. And it's vacation, I will. - Like I remember in the camping trip that we went on, I remember like the first night. So the first time we went to,

when camping, it was fucking typhooning. - Yeah. - Right? - So we're not camping in that. - We got there and we really tried to camp, right? We were just like, we'll fucking, a little bit of rain never hurt anyone, we'll try. We get there, it's fucking typhooning. It's like a full on monsoon. The campsite's flooded. - The tree is like 90 degrees. - The tree is 90 degrees and Nabi wearing his jury camp shirt just goes, guys,

I don't think we can do it. - I wish it was a special so that we could film it in the comments and be like, "No, mate, just get your fucking ax out and start putting the tent down." - You got it, you got it. - You could have done it, mate. You're just little bitches. - Yeah, so we find this ryokan to go to. And it was a decent enough ryokan. I mean, how can you complain? It had an onsen, had everything. Until the point that we needed to figure out what we were going to eat. And I'm just like, "Cool."

I'm on holiday. We're gonna find a restaurant, right guys? But unfortunately we didn't have lunch, right? So it was like this awkward time period of- - This is how you can tell you're raised in cities only.

but you just didn't have to worry about where you were eating. - Yeah, because we got there, it was like an awkward time, 'cause none of us had had lunch and it was like about three, about three o'clock, right? So it was too late for lunch, but too early for dinner. So we were just like, let's get a little snack at the Konbini.

And so we walk 15 minutes to like the nearest comedy, maybe it was 10 minutes. And we were just like, oh, let's buy some drinks and let's buy some snacks. And I remember thinking, cool, this is just gonna be a quick lunch. We're just gonna get some snacks there and then we'll go to the restaurant later. And then I remember on our way back, I always just remember the guys had gotten like a full on meal and stuff like that. And I was like,

we're going out to the restaurant again, right? We're gonna find a restaurant for dinner, right? And it was just that fucking Padme meme asking Anakin. When we get back to the hotel and everyone starts eating and everyone's like full and I'm just like, we're going out again for dinner, right guys?

- And then it finally hit Garnt when you heard just the crack of the beer can opening. It's like, all right, we're not going. - I was ready to like, it was a great time with the boys and everything, but I was ready to rate that trip zero out of 10. 'Cause I'm just like- - Did you guys, I feel like this is vastly, someone did not prepare well. This should have been a conversation that happened. They were like, are we having dinner or not? Are we doing it now? Are we getting compini? This feels like someone fucked up. - No, no, no, someone definitely fucked up. - You all fucked up. - But then we had-

- The moment it was like 1:00 PM, I'm like, all right, now I have to think about dinner. What are we doing for dinner? - I had a great fucking camping trip, but I won't forget day one of my holiday, I had conbini for dinner. Conbini food for dinner on my holiday. - And we fell asleep at like 8:00 PM.

- What? - No, correction, correction. Joey fell asleep at 8:00 PM. - 'Cause I got shit-faced. I had like seven beers in the span of an hour and I'm like, "I'm on holiday, whatever, clock, clock, clock." And it's like 8:00 PM. - Joey cracks open the beer and I'm ready for dinner and Joey's fucking, I see Joey's feet and I'm just like, "What the fuck is going on?"

- Joe, we're going for dinner, right? And Joey's just fucking having a snooze right there. - Aki called me at 11:00 PM because you and Luke- - Yeah, because Aki legitimately thought I died. 'Cause I just fell asleep at eight. It's like, why is he not responding to my text? - Bro, I'm on vacation, don't text me.

- That was a great first day. - I don't know about you. - It was a great first day, had a good talk with the boys, but there's that hole in my life that I will never forget. - But the problem is as well that like all of the restaurants were also closed because it was, I think it was a public holiday when we went. So like all the rest, so at like 4:00 PM, all the restaurants are closed. So we're like, well fuck.

- Yeah, and well, you can't just turn to a restaurant. There's never any restaurants. - Yeah. - You had to- - But now we know. - You'll be very lucky. - Now we know for next time. - You just get Tesco meal deal, maybe one day in advance or make your own food. - I just got to book a family mart. - Camping in like England is just assumed that you make your own food. Like it's a given. - No, we were gonna do that until it started fucking typhooning. - In the car, mate, you gotta do what you can. Just start firing the car. No one's gonna notice.

- Yeah, you can't do it in a rental car, man. - That's their problem, mate. You got insurance on the car. - It's like, don't worry about it. It's a bit smoky, don't worry about it. - If I wanna smoke some meats in my car, I'm smoking some meats. Especially if it's a rental car, it's not my car. - Can we get a toilet access? - All right. - PS, don't smoke meats in car. That is a joke. You shouldn't smoke in the car. - I'll go to the toilet as well. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, Naby showed us. Oh shit, why did I do that? - So there's something about going out to the UK and Australia, right? I think we've talked about this briefly before.

But it's the first time I've ever had a culture clash or a culture shock, I should say. It's always related to like whenever you go on a trip with some people from another country and you gotta decide how much alcohol you're gonna buy. 'Cause it's like you get such a weird spectrum of people

depending on who you go with. You just never know. But for some reason with Brits and Australian, it's always like, you always have like an agreed amount that everyone's just like, we should buy more, right? Yeah. The way you do it in the UK is, what was a reasonable amount of beers you would drink in a day and add 50% on?

And then that's your portion of the beers. Because you know, maybe someone drinks a little more than they expected. Maybe you drink more than expected. If not, you have more for tomorrow. Perfect. A beer will never go to waste. So buy more. - Yeah, exactly. 'Cause like the first time this ever happened to me when I was just like shocked, right? Was 'cause like, I understand when some people don't wanna drink alcohol, that's completely fine, right? I'm just like, cool. But the first time it actually surprised me was it was my first American convention.

and we were gonna hang out at a friend's place, right? It was just a group of us and it was me and one other person. And I was like, "We should get some beers for Batco." And he's just like, "Great, good idea. "I need a beer." So we go to the fridge, right? And I go in and I take out a six pack of beer as you do, right? - Of course. - As you do. If you're gonna take some beer back for home, then you take a six pack of beer. - Get some extra. - Yeah. And he follows me, walks in, grabs a single can of beer.

And then I just look at him and I just go, "What's that?" He goes, "It's my drink for the night." I'm just like- - Are we drinking or are we drinking? - I thought we were gonna drink alcohol. And he was like- - Are we drinking or are we sipping? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, "Yeah, we are, we're drinking." And I was like-

- How long is that gonna last you? - Yeah. - It was like, oh no, this is my drink for the night. - When I say I could go for a beer, I don't mean a single fucking beer. And I was just like, yeah, we were going to go for a beer, right? Who stops at a single beer? - Did I need to be more specific? - I could go for a six pack of beer. - And I remember the second time this happened to me was the camping trip actually. Do you remember when we were, so,

- In camping, you have one opportunity to buy everything you need for the night, right? So that shopping trip, you gotta think about the entire stay that you're there, right? 'Cause you're not gonna have another opportunity. 'Cause we weren't exactly in the city, you know? And the shops there are only open for a set amount of hours. - And it's like 40 minutes away. - So we're getting the food and everyone agrees, "Oh, do we have enough food? "Maybe we should get some more food." And like we fill up this shopping cart full of food, right?

And then the alcohol discussion comes along, right? And it's me, Joey and Luke, who's from Northern Ireland. So, you know, we were just like, let's get a crate of beer. - Of course. - Right? And how many people were on the trip again? - There were six of us. - There were six of us. So like a single crate of beer. In my mind,

- A single crate of beer to last six people. - How many beers are in this crate? - 24. - 24. - Okay, okay. - So it's a 24 pack of beer. Now a 24 pack of beer to me for six people, like it's not enough beers to last the entire like day potentially. - Yeah. - And like the night. - If we're camping, we're probably day drinking. - Exactly. - 24 is the night. - That's like on average four cans of beer per person. Like that's not gonna last a day. - At least 330 mils as well.

- Yeah, like the standard cans. - Yeah, that's too small. - Far too small, right? - That's two pints each. - Yeah, exactly. - That's not gonna be enough. - I grab a single pack of, I grab a pack of beer with the assumption that, okay, this is where we start, right?

And I remember I was gonna put it on the shopping cart 'cause we all agreed that we were going to drink this trip by the way. It was something that we all agreed to. And I remember I bumped into Edo, right? And he sees the pack of beer and he's like, "Oh, we're going for a hard night, are we?" And I'm just like, "Edo, what the fuck?" - This is the minimum. - This is the minimum. - This is the start. This is the start. And I remember going to the shopping cart and I remember putting the pack of beer on there and I'm like,

So we're getting more now. So we're getting more, right guys? And then it was the fucking Padme meme right again. Everyone's like, oh no, I don't know. - I remember when he said that I did like the family guy, like slow head turn. I was like, you what? - You need at least double that. - This is beer. - Yeah, so after that, I'm just like, I take Joey and Luke to a quarter and we're like- - It's like emergency meeting. - Hey guys, emergency meeting. I don't think we've got enough alcohol with us.

- So we're like, well, we kind of don't want to look like alcoholics, like in front of our mates. So let's not buy another pack of beer, whatever. Let's just buy some spirits and wines. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's get like some box wine. - If you're with a crowd or you're like, I don't want to scare them. I'll just get a spirit. 'Cause the bottle doesn't scare them. When they see like the mountains of beer cans, they're like, oh God.

- Oh God. - It's a hard night. - Yeah. When in reality it's probably one bottle of Smirnoff or half a bottle, right? - One party animals we are. - How long did the 24 crate last you? - Like three hours. - Did you run out? - Well, if we didn't buy another one. - Oh, you bought another one? - Yeah, we ended up buying another one. - And it was mostly me, Joey and Luke. - Yeah, it was mostly.

- I'd say between three people, maybe a 24 pack is good enough for a full night of drinking, starting early, eating, talking all night. - What I've realized is that how you need to like decide on like the alcohol amount whenever you hang out with someone new, it's just like, there's an alcohol amount for Brits and Aussies and you know, anyone from the UK. And then there is just,

with the exception of like, unless there is an exception. - I always bring way more than I need just because someone's gonna drink way more than they said they were gonna drink. It always happens. - And there's nothing worse than it being like, you know, 9:00 PM, like you're in front of the fire and then someone goes, "Hey, can I get another beer?" And there's no beer left. - Yeah, 'cause like a lot of people just- - No worse feeling. - To me, that's just second nature. 'Cause like, I think I,

you need to buy more alcohol than is needed because nobody like running out of alcohol when you want to drink more, it's like the word, God, I sound like a fuck. - Also, also, also. - I'm just saying this out loud. - I agree, I agree. - There's no worse feeling. - Also, you want to be the bro who provides for the team. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, you run out of beers? You bought your own? Bro, I got a few. Go and grab a bottle.

- Yeah, absolutely. - Don't worry about it. - And I've just kind of realized hanging out with people with different cultures, like that's the weird part because normally everyone's keeps asking for more and then you got to a point, maybe you run out and some people are just completely fine with that.

- When I am at like peak tipsy, I'm in the buzz zone, I do not wanna run out of beer. - No, no, no. - Listen to me, if I get fully sober before I sleep, I'm gonna sleep like shit. I need this. - I need this buzz to keep going, man. - I need this buzz until I fall asleep, otherwise I'm fucked. I feel like shit, I wake up in the morning feeling awful. Help me out, man. I'm gonna down a bottle of water or two before I go to bed, I'm gonna feel great. - Exactly, exactly. - Oh my God. - Yeah, I mean, that's...

- That's the Alcoholics Anonymous podcast, right? - Wow. - I feel though- - Which is just how it is when you're from Britain or Australia. I think Americans don't understand how ingrained it is in the culture. - And I feel it further accentuates when you're on a camping trip. - Oh yeah. - I don't know what it is about sitting around a fire where you're just like,

- Man, I need some alcohol. - Camping is, you know, there's a reason why it's considered one of those manly activities. And because manly activities are normally judged by either how intensively they are, how intensive they are physically, or how much beer you can drink doing that. Fishing is considered a very manly sport because you can drink beer the whole time while you're doing it. - Do you know why?

I'm gonna say it. How the fuck can you enjoy these activities if you're not drunk? - That's the thing is that hanging out with your friends camping to most people, hanging out with your friends, cooking shit food, getting drunk, very fun. - Yeah, awesome. - Cooking bacon to a char and then giving it to your mates and being like Bon Apple teeth. Like that's amazing when you have a beer. - What the fuck did you just say? - Bon Apple teeth.

- Bon apple tea. - Bon apple tea. - Bon apple tea. - Have you not heard that before? - Have you not heard that before? - You've heard that? - No, I've never heard that before. - Wait, what? - Bon apple tea? - It's a subreddit. - Is it actually? - It's typically bon apple tea. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Bon apple tea. - Okay. - I thought you just made a genuine mistake. - No, no, no, bon apple tea.

- I actually forget the original because I say the meme one so- - Bon Appetit. - What is the original again? - Bon Appetit. - Bon Appetit. I always say the meme one, so I can't- - Bon Appetit. - I always say Bon Appetit. You never heard this? - I've never heard it before. - It's literally a subreddit where people have like, it's like spelling mistakes. It would be like my autistic guitar or something. - Yeah. - It's those kind of spelling mistakes. - Oh, that one. - It's very funny.

You should watch it. Burn apple teeth. But,

But yeah, I mean, you'll eat like terrible food that you cooked, but you cooked it with the boys. - Yeah. Like you think about fishing as an activity, right? And on paper- - Mate, it's awful. - It's awful. - Everything that goes wrong could go wrong. You know, your hands are getting slimy when you get the fish. Maybe you'll get a fish. - Worst case scenario, you sit there for eight hours and nothing happens. - You spent like an hour setting up the rod 'cause you're shit and you don't know how to fish. Maybe you're with the expert, he can teach you, but you tangle the line. Oh, it's a fucking nightmare. Everything goes wrong. What bait do I bring? I don't know.

What kind of hook do I bring? I don't know. I hate it. Tying the knot on the hook is such a pain in the ass. Oh, God. You've got to get the net out when you get a fish. But then, when the glorious beer can comes out...

That's when it gets gooey. - Well, that's why you have to buy the chair that has the beer holder. - Exactly. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - See, I did that for the camping trip because I know eventually one of these days we're gonna go fishing and I'm already prepared. - Joey, don't pretend like you planned this. I know, like, okay, so for the camping trip, Joey brought this fucking like massive,

- Fold out chair. - With the $100 ones? - Yeah. - Jesus Christ, Joey, you don't need that. You're not sunbathing. - I am now. - It wasn't one of those ones where you can easily fold up and pack into a small pack. It was fucking rectangular. - Yeah. - Fucking hell. - 'Cause I thought most of the chairs that I've bought that are like that, I thought it was the ones where you could fold four ways into a tube. But then when it appeared, I was like, "Why is it only folded in half?"

And I realized, oh, it's because there's two giant metal rods that are like keeping the entire thing together. That just won't bend. - Yeah. - And I lifted it up and I'm like, why does this thing weigh 20 kilograms? It was like, it was somehow- - He's like the Greek God of this campsite. Bring me another grape of God. - Honestly, honestly, the chair itself was like King shit. It was like, it was like a fucking, it wasn't a chair. - Every time I got up to like go get wood or go to the toilet, someone was always like,

I'm sitting in the king's chair. - Honestly, it wasn't a camping chair. It was a fucking throne. - Right? - Well, like don't pretend like you did that on purpose. You did that by complete accident because- - I did that on accident. - You know what? It was a fucking bitch to get in the car because we were going camping and the car was like, the car- - It barely fit in the boot. - Yeah, it was barely fitting. - It was heavier than my bag full of all of my clothes and shit. - It's a seven seater and the chair took like- - Two seats. - Yeah, exactly.

- Well, you took one seat and took away two. - Exactly. - Fantastic. - I mean, Joey had a great time sitting down at the detriment of us driving there and having like less space to like sit. - Worth it, worth it. - It was this one. - Oh yeah, that one.

- What the fuck is that? - It has like a foldable like a table on the side and like a fucking thing in it. - Like a colonial imperialist master. - Oh yeah, yeah. - Going to your new land. - That was like some Game of Thrones shit, dude. Like I felt so powerful.

- Oh man. - But yeah, like for like fishing, I don't know how you can enjoy without alcohol because most of it is just nothing. You're just sitting there. - Yeah, you're just waiting. - Waiting. - Doing nothing. - That's why you bring the Nintendo DS or you just get drunk and talk. There's only two options.

- Nintendo DS. - Just play some Smash Bros while you're waiting for the fish. - I mean, that's what you can do, man. You dig that pole in the ground and start drinking. - Exactly. - Until you think you've caught a fish and you're too drunk to realize. - We still need to go fishing. - Yeah. - Well, yeah, I'd like to go camping and do it properly, but it seems like in Japan there's not many good camping sites. They all seem very- - They're very controlled. - Very close together.

It just seems like a shitty nightmare. - Would you rather go fishing like off the bank or would you rather be in a boat?

- Ah, probably off the bank and just sitting in the chair. - Off the bank, yeah. - In the boat, you have to be very active when you're doing it. - I prefer the boat. - You're gonna be in a rowboat though, not like a big boat. - Not like a yacht. - You're gonna be in a rowboat. - Okay, no, fuck that shit. - Why the fuck would I wanna be in that, bro? Simulating I'm like a broke fisherman? - In Garnt's head, boat equals yacht. - Yeah, Garnt was like, "Yes, I want to be on the Louis Vuitton SS3."

- The Louis Vuitton SS3. - That's the name of the boat. - That's the name of my boat. - That's the name of the boat. - Yeah, I don't wanna be in a rowboat and I don't think Connor wants to be in a rowboat with me either. - He'll fucking find a way to tip it. Garnt will fucking tip the boat. - I mean, we've been on a rowboat together. I remember when we went to Kyoto and I just can't row for shit. - Yeah, and then Garnt also just turns into like daddy long legs in this fucking thing where he can't just stand up properly and he was like having great difficulty. He's gonna tip the boat. He's gonna tip the boat any second now.

I wanted to see that. He stood up and he was just like, whoa. I was like, God, please, God, God, please, please. Yeah, he was terrible at rowing.

- Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what I was doing wrong. I don't know. - I think he just kept putting it in and then just pulling it out. He didn't just like row. - I'm just kind of like, you know, I feel like I'm like, you know, Quagmire or something where he has like one arm stronger after he's like. - Yeah, literally I just keep going around in circles. - We did go in circles. I'm like, what are you doing? In both, pull in both. - We know which one Garnt's fapping arm is. He just keeps going around in circles.

- Oh my God. - Rowing boat sucks though. - Really? I enjoy it. - Not when the conditions that we were doing. - Yeah, we were doing it in a Japanese summer. - Oh, nevermind. - It was last year. - The time I left my back was like, my shirt was a different color from when I started. - Yeah, that's not cool. The fall is really, really nice. - I was doing manual labor in the summer. I don't even do manual labor normally.

- Let alone in the summer. - And we were hung over as well. - Oh, yeah, that doesn't help. I probably hated too in those case. - Honestly doing anything outside in Japanese summers is just like, nope, nope. Let's just do an indoor activity. - The weekly reminder, the Japanese summer sucks. - We're gonna keep complaining about it until it's over. - Yeah. - I love winter. - I don't know, man. I just don't understand people who just like this heat and this humidity. - Psychopaths, man. Psychopaths. - I get it, man.

- I mean, God, I felt so bad for the fucking Olympians. We talked about this, but Jesus Christ. - It was terrible. - Changing the topic though. I feel like I've lived in Japan for long enough now that my opinions on certain things have changed. Some things which I initially thought were amazing are now, I don't think are as good as I originally thought. - Okay, okay. - EG. - EG.

- Wagyu beef, okay. Remember the first time I tried Wagyu beef? - It's so over praised. - I'm just like, oh my God, this is the fucking Rolls Royce of beef. It's the fucking Ferrari of beef. And then you live here for a year and you have easy access to it. And I'm just like, I just kind of want a normal ribeye now. I just kind of want a normal steak. - Genuinely normal steak.

is better 'cause Wagyu is just fatty. And if you like that, you like that. But if you want like a really nice tender cut of meat, it's just so good. - Wagyu is good maybe like once or twice a year, I think. If you really wanna like treat yourself- - I'm sure if Chris was here, he'd be like, "No, no, no, no, no. I know the best places." - You're just going to the wrong places. - When I went to Kyoto, right, with Chris,

there was this stand and we were kind of hungry and the stand said there was Wagyu beef on a stick for like a thousand yen. I was like, no way is that Wagyu. No fucking way.

And they had this meat out on the counter, like this example meat. And I was like, all right, fine, we'll get it. We'll try it. We'll try it. And so they have this example meat of what the meat looks like. Yeah. And it's like the fake kind. And so we order it. We pay the man. And he pulls out some meat from a cooler that is definitely not wagyu. It's literally like the shittest cut of a beef you can imagine. Right, right. Literally impossible to chew. A dog would have trouble chewing this thing. Right. And I was like, Chris...

I can't believe you thought this was going to be real. There's no way we were going to get Wagyu steak on a stick for 1,000 yen outside of the fucking Kyo Mizudero or whatever it was. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, at a tourist trap? Are you serious, Chris? I can't believe that he fell for it and that he convinced me to actually try it. What a waste of 1,000. We took, like, two bites and we're like, we can't eat this. This is shit. We threw it away. Yeah.

- I mean, 'cause like, I feel I had the better experience 'cause like when on journey across Japan, we had that exact same thing in Takamatsu and it was the Hida-gyu beef, which is like, it's like a higher brand Wagyu beef. That one was actually delicious. - It's because you're not in Kyoto, which is like, basically it's turned into kind of a tourist. - Kyoto is a gamble. - It's kinda, you can get some good stuff there, but it's so over tourist. So, I don't know.

- You gotta go to the back streets of Kyoto to get the good shit, I feel. - Definitely not in front of the goddamn temple to get Wagyu beef. - Yeah, 'cause I feel like Wagyu beef is something that you should try as like a rare thing, right? Because what I didn't expect was how easy it would be to access here. You can buy it in the fucking supermarket.

- Oh yeah, it's everywhere. - It fucking blew my mind the first time I saw Wagyu beef in the supermarket where the only other time I'd ever seen Wagyu beef is at fucking high-end restaurants where you'd be paying hundreds and hundreds of dollars for a few cubes of Wagyu beef. And I remember before coming to Japan, I'd only tried it once. And that was because I had like

who treated us to dinner once at a high-end restaurant. And I'm just like, oh my God, this is fucking incredible. And now I understand why they only give you a few cubes of Wagyu beef in like high-end restaurants, right? - It's way too fatty. - It's like eating pure butter, right? And I realized this when I'm just like, I think it was like,

I think it like hacked my mind to be like, okay, Wagyu beef is always good. I can't get bored of Wagyu beef. This is A5 beef, right? But now I see Wagyu beef and I'm just like, can I just get a normal cut of steak, please? - The thing is that the normal cuts of steak here just aren't that good. - Yeah, they're not. They're not. - Unless you pay like a good amount for it, right?

- Yeah, and the best steaks here, you get some really good steaks, but a lot of them are imported and they're really expensive. You're paying an absolute premium for good steak. - And again, I feel Wagyu beef is a lot like getting the super fatty tuna sushi. You can't eat that shit all the time. It's because you eat it every now and then that it's good. - I don't know if Japan did this intentionally or not, but it's definitely a branding thing. Wagyu beef has very good branding.

I don't know how, because it's all over the fucking place in Japan. You don't know what's Wagyu, what's constituted as Wagyu. It's like every prefecture has its own Wagyu and they'll argue that the other one is shit and theirs is the best. - Well, that's the thing. I feel that's the biggest misconception with Wagyu is that when people think Wagyu beef, they think like A5, top grade, the best shit. But like Wagyu beef literally just means beef made in Japan.

- Yeah. - There's like low tier Wagyu as well as high tier Wagyu. - Yeah, I don't know how, I don't know who, if Japan did this on purpose. I don't know if like foreign chefs did this. - It honestly might be the foreign chefs. - I think it could have been foreign chefs being like, "This is the best stuff, man." I don't know how- - Wagyu just sounds cool. - When did it become a thing? When did Wagyu beef become like well known outside of Japan and become like this kind of idolized beef? Because I feel like that's how Wagyu is,

command such high prices, especially outside of Japan is because of the branding. - Yeah, it is. - It's the same with, I don't think, when you eat, what's the fucking, what's that really fatty meat called that you get?

- Foie gras. - Foie gras. - Foie gras. - Foie gras. - I don't think it tastes that good. - I do not, I think that's- - How the fuck- - The duck liver. - Yeah, I don't know how the fuck they've managed to charge so much for it. - That is also just eating pure fat. - I eat it and I'm like, fuck me. - I feel like a bit sick sometimes 'cause I'm just like, oh. - It's very fatty, yeah. - Yeah, it is very, very fatty. And kind of Wagyu kind of feels the same after a while. - How did they convince us that foie gras was like a luxury item and that we should pay out of our pockets insane amounts for it?

when it barely tastes good. - It's a fucking trick to make, that's why. - You say that, but then like, you know, we like killed caviar to the point where we made them so extinct that we made them valuable. - Yeah.

- Caviar was never gonna be valuable. Again, like the only value of caviar comes from the fact that it's so rare. - Well, it's similar with lobsters, right? - We've made it. - Yeah. - We've made it. - Lobsters used to be the cheap meat that the working class people used to have, right? And then I'm not sure why it increased in price. I don't know if like the corporations,

- Probably because the working class ate so much of it. - It's been overfished. - Yeah, was it overfished or did they artificially- - I believe it's been overfished. - I can't. - But it's a really interesting story and I wish I remembered the detail of it, but all I know is like lobsters was a really cheap meat until one day it just wasn't anymore.

And then it wasn't. - Well, that gets to show though, the price doesn't really correlate with good tasting food. I mean, I hate to shout out Wales all the time, but there was some really fresh local produce that was so cheap and that was amazing. And I still haven't had better stuff anywhere else from there. And I don't want foie gras, I just want a nice beautiful cut of meat fresh from the day. - Yeah, and it's like Wagyu beef, I feel like,

when I first moved to Japan, I could not understand why every steak, like they marketed it as like imported from Australia. And I'm just like, why would you import beef when you have Wagyu here? I'm like now living here for like, like almost two years. I'm like, I get it. I want a fucking Australian steak sometimes. Angus beef's a fucking,

- It's like a very luxury thing. Like there's a lot of import, a lot of beef from like Ireland and stuff too here. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Ireland exports a lot of meat to Japan. - Yeah, 'cause like if you're bored of Wagyu beef, then just the normal cuts of beef here, just,

aren't as good as- - Yeah, and like you can play around a lot more with the seasonings on the normal kind of- - I feel with a lot of those kinds of foods like Wagyu and like foie gras and stuff like that, it's all just like a namesake, right? It's just like, you know, I don't think anyone realistically fucking every week is like, "Where's my foie gras, sir?" Like, you know, it's like puffer fish, right? Like fugu is also another thing where it's like, you eat it just-

to say you ate it. - Yeah. - But like no one is like actually gonna be like, oh, fugu is the best tasting thing in the world. Spoilers, it's not. It literally tastes like nothing.

I've had it a couple of times and I'm just like, yeah, this is cool. - Just put your life in danger. - And I'm like, this is cool, I guess. I can say that I ate puffer fish, but it's like- - Man, sometimes I just wish I was like a fucking dog, bro. You can give them the same meal every single day and they get hyped as fuck for it. Like, yo, is it time for the same meal again? Yo, you gotta be kidding me. Let's go. - Spoiling me. - They get so hyped for the same meal every time. Meanwhile, I have the same meal twice in a row and I'm like, I'm living like a person.

I had curry two days in a row. What is this? I feel disgusted. I don't know. Is this like a thing that we did to ourselves as humans? Was there once a point in time where we were just happy to have the same meal over and over again? - Probably. - Oh yeah, I'm sure. - Why have we done this to ourselves? - We probably were even as a kid, right? I remember when I could just eat Thai food every day. - I'm a whole shit. - Never get bored of it. - Fucking potatoes again? You gotta be. - Oh, okay. - My man, let's go.

- Put some salt on that. Oh yeah, let's go. - Change it up a bit, put some beans in that shit, let's go. - And then like, I tried Japanese food for the first time. I'm just like, damn, I wanna try this again. I tried Mexican food for the first time. I'm like, fucking give me more of that shit. - My need of variation in taste has skyrocketed since Japan. That gets spoiled me 'cause now I used to be content just eating like fried chicken like four times a week. And I'd be like, this is fantastic. - Honestly, that's the second thing I think is overrated in Japan.

- Well, Japanese don't really, I don't think they do fried chicken very good here. - No. - I think it's very standard. - The Koreans definitely do it better. - Korean fried chicken, yo! - Yeah, I was gonna say, man, Americans think they have mastered fried chicken. I'm like, no, the best fried chicken I've had is from Korea. - Korea, hands down. - Korean fried chicken, best in the world.

- They season it, they don't go too overboard. Sometimes in America you get way too much seasoning. In Korea you just get like beautiful different variations of seasoning. - The yangnyeom chicken is like, it's so good. - It's the perfect texture as well. It's just like a little bit crispy. It's the perfect marriage. - It's a little bit crispy and like the meat's not too wet. - It's not dry either. - It's not dry. It's just the perfect combination of everything you'd want in a fried chicken. - But also not to doggone,

Fried chicken culture in London is amazing. We have such good fried chicken in London.

- Really? - Yeah. - Disagree. - That's why we have a whole channel. That's why there was a whole channel at one point dedicated to reviewing fried chicken in London. It's so varied, bro. - It's fucking way too greasy, man. - No, you're going to the wrong place. You're going to the wrong boss man. - Oh my God, you sound like Chris right now. - You just got to the wrong place. - No, 'cause London is so varied in the chicken shops. - We were so close to having a podcast where we agree on everything. - No, no, no, no. Fried chicken in London is amazing, man.

- Fried chicken in London is only amazing after you're fucking shit faced. It's like people who defend kebabs and I'm just like, would you ever eat a kebab sober? No, there's a reason you're shit faced. - You probably had a shit local fried chicken shop. The one underneath me was amazing. The way they seasoned the chicken, they did barbecue wings and I've never had barbecue wings as good as this in my life.

They were so cheap too. I don't know what they put in it. Probably like all God awful chemicals. But that shit was amazing. I've never had barbecue wings that are as good as that. And it was like one pound for like eight. Worryingly cheap, but it was amazing. - So that was chicken? - Probably even wasn't. I don't know what it was, but it was the best wings I'd had. - Geez. No, I mean like to me the best fried chicken

I've had in the UK is KFC. - Okay, I'm not gonna say it's the best 'cause it's not. - That's saying a lot. - But it is very good in the UK. - It is very good. - For some reason they make very good KFC. - It is very good. And like every fried chicken I've had in London or every chippy or whatever, it feels like a downgrade to KFC to me. - I feel like you guys do chicken pretty well

- KFC in the UK is by far the best KFC I've ever had. In Japan it sucks. - Oh no, Japan it sucks. - In America it's war crimes. Elsewhere I assume it's just not as good. - Australia it's a little bit overrated. - I'm sure there's someone from some country that's like, "Yeah, but in this country it's better, shut up." "I haven't been there." So how would I know that? - Yeah, we don't try KFC in every country we go to, unfortunately. - Boneless or bone?

- Bone, boneless. - Boneless man, I'm a boneless kind of guy, man. I'm a boneless kind of guy. - Get that bone out of there. If I can't eat it, get it out of my face. - Sometimes I just don't want to go through the process of being like a fucking animal and tearing this shit limb from limb. - It tastes better. - I just want it to taste better. - You're like trying to play Drew maternal with this chicken. - What are you talking about? - Why are you talking about?

- If I gave you two plates, one of them came from a bone chicken, one of them came from boneless chicken, you would not be able to tell a fucking difference. Guarantee. - You would not. - I would. - Guarantee you will not be able to. - You sound like me right now. - The moisture is there. It's more natural flavor of the chicken. - No. - The texture is better as well. Everything is better on a boned chicken.

- You sometimes get the vainest motherfuckers pumping steroids into these chickens. - The only thing that is a detriment is the fact that is a bone chicken, but I will happily pay the price for a better tasting chicken. - No. - Okay? - And then like when you get to the ends, this shit does not wanna come off the bone. You have to like be like a feral animal to get this thing off the fucking bone. - It's just time wasting. - I have to break my teeth

- It is worth it for the better taste. - No, it's not because you can eat way more chicken, you know, because boneless chicken is just chicken breast cut up. - Yeah. - It's amazing. - No, it's not. It's not always chicken breast. - Boneless chicken. - Boneless chicken is, yeah, it is always chicken breast. - The meat tastes the same on the wings with the breast. - You know what? I don't think the breast is the best part of the chicken. - I think it is. - I think it is. Do you know what I like? I like moisture with my meat.

- And you can get a moist breast. - The breast is like moist. - You can get a moist breast. - Are you kidding me? You can get a moist breast. - No, you can get the moist breast, right? But a lot of the times you fucking, you cook a chicken breast and it can- - Yeah, you're cooking it. You're cooking it.

- No, no, no. - Maybe you're just shit. - No, no, no. - My mans never did a bad job on the chicken, man. It was always fresh, perfect, delicious. Sauce contained. - I've had enough chicken breasts at random chippies and random places where just the breast is too dry. You can never get- - Well, you're going to the wrong chippy, man.

- No, you can never get- - In London, I would never get a boneless chicken. They don't do boneless chicken well enough. Outside there- - That's what I'm saying, right? Because you need to cook chicken breast right in order for it to be good, right? - But when it's done right, it's straight up better. - But you don't have to pay that gap. - It's better. - It's not even better. It's not even better. - You can go to any of the Korean places here and they have boneless and boned. Always boneless. - Always boneless. - 'Cause this shit is just better. You also get more of it 'cause they don't try and fucking stack the plate. - You go to Nando's, what'd you get? What'd you get?

- I get like half a chicken. - Yeah, why? Why don't you get the boneless one when you go to Nando's? - They don't do the boneless, do they? - Yes, they do. - I didn't even know they did that. I would've got the boneless. - Well, now he knows, so he's gonna get the boneless. - No, no, no, no, actually I joke. I don't get the half chicken. I get the butterfly burger, which has no bones 'cause I wanna deal with bones. - That is definitely drier than the half chicken. - That's why you pile on the sauce, baby.

- No, no. - No, if they cook it right though. - Oh that's right, 'cause he doesn't eat the sauce.

- That's why he doesn't like it. - Nando's sauce is the only sauce where I'm just like. - 'Cause Nando's, man, it's a 50/50 gamble on whether it's gonna be juicy or not. It's up to the chef. - The breast is always shit. The breast is always shit. - No, it's not. It's totally up to the chef, man, and how he cooks it for passing. - You don't need to pay that gamble if you just get the half a chicken off the bone, because you know what? It's always juicy. - No, it's good, it's good, but I don't, the butterfly chicken burger is just fine as well. It's the same thing. And then you can sauce it up. - It could be better. It could be better.

- I think the Nando's chicken is comfort food. It's not the best. - I didn't expect five star fucking chicken from Nando's. - That's exactly what fried chicken is, right? It's comfort food. - No, no, no, no. - You don't go to a Michelin star restaurant and order fried chicken. - I've been to Michelin star restaurants and I've had times where I just want the fried chicken more. Like it's just so much better to me. I love a good fried chicken when it's done right. - This man literally goes to the restaurant and gets fried chicken. - I bash on America, but I feel like there's a very American side of me.

- There's a reason why soup is made from the bones of animals, right? And that's because the bones contain flavor. - You're not eating the fucking bones. - If I wanted to eat soup, I'll eat soup. - You're not eating the fucking bone marrow, Garnt. You're not cracking the bone. I don't go to the restaurant with you like, "Honey, you gonna eat your bones?" I'm gonna eat that bone marrow, bro. Cracks it open. You're not eating the bone. The bone doesn't do it. - The bone does do shit. It does, oh my fucking God.

- I'm sure it does. - At a fast food restaurant, it doesn't do shit. They're not marinating it with the bone on it. - I'm sure it does. - If they marinate shit with the bone in, yes, the bone will have an effect, so it gets the help. But when you're at fast food, they literally got that chicken in the van 20 minutes ago and it's on your plate. There's no time to have the bone play an effect. You're just getting boned. - That was awful. - Got it. - That was awful. - I rest my case.

I'm sure it does make a difference, but I'm not even gonna pretend to start. I'm not even gonna start to pretend that I think I know the fucking difference. I don't. - Do you have taste buds, Joey? - Yeah. - Do you have taste buds? - I do. - Then you can tell the difference. - Do you have a tongue? - This comes from a man who doesn't like sauce. I don't fucking trust a goddamn thing you say. - I have taste buds and you know what I taste? Fucking chicken.

- I don't give a shit if it's from the bone or not from the bone. - It tastes like chicken. - All chicken tastes the same, Joey. All meats taste the same. It's just beef. It tastes the same. It comes from the same animal. All beef tastes the same. Every cut of beef is the same. - All chicken tastes the same. - No, it doesn't. - All chicken tastes the same. - Most parts of the chicken in terms of like the skin and the, you know, 'cause the wing is just an extension of the breast in terms of how the meat is. The meat, the meat.

I'm about to fucking leave. - I didn't say that. - I don't take responsibility for that statement. - The wing, the meat part of it tastes exactly the same as the breast. That's why they can make boneless wings and call it wings. It doesn't taste any different. The only problem is with the bone is you get like veins and shit. And then it's like, I don't want that. Who wants the vein? Who's like- - What the fuck is boneless wings?

- The boneless wings, right? That you go to Buffalo Wild Wings, you go to any of those places. All it is, is just chicken breast cut up. Did you know that? - To make it look like a wing? - Yeah, to make it look- - No, because I've never gotten boneless wings 'cause I'm like, "What the fuck is boneless wings?" - So you've never tried it? - Hmm? - So you've never tried it? - I've tried boneless chicken. - When? You said you never ordered it. - I've never tried boneless wings, but I've had like- - Boneless chicken isn't all chicken,

when you get it in like a restaurant. - No, no, you get wings. - No, no, when you get wings. - Oh, I see, I see. Yeah, but when you get wings, boneless wings every time. - No, no, you gotta, it's off the bone. Chicken is always tastes better off the bone. It's less healthy for you. The only reason why people promote breast is because it's the leanest meat, right? That doesn't necessarily mean it tastes better. - The wing meat, like the actual meat that you're eating tastes no different from the breast.

- It's the moisture content and it's the bone flavor that seeps into the chicken. It tastes better. - Unless we're at a gourmet restaurant, I would say that's invalid because these fast food restaurants and the place where you're eating wings from 90% of the time isn't gonna have the bone play any effect on the taste. - I'm not gonna go to Buffalo while we see a boneless chicken and go, "What the fuck is this? Where's the bone?" - Okay, you have a KFC bargain bucket or a KFC bucket. Do you have preferences of

which one, which piece you take. 'Cause every piece tastes different. And if every piece of KFC chicken tastes different depending on the part of the chicken that it is. - The only difference is that you get a different ratio of skin, surface skin to like meat. And with the wings, with the drumstick, you have the optimal skin to meat ratio. So you get more skin, so it tastes better. Whereas the big like flat piece, I don't know what it's called, what's it called?

- The big flat piece. What is it called? There's two pieces. There's the wing and then there's the other piece. - Oh, like the one that's shaped like that, right? - It's kind of like a big piece like this. You can just get more meat. So you don't have as much skin. - It tastes worse. - Because there's less skin. - No, it tastes worse because it's just purely meat, right?

- There's no flavoring on it. - I don't want fat in my chicken. - That doesn't taste any, no, you're confusing it because you're having more skin, which is where all the flavor is with KFC. That's why you think it tastes better, 'cause you're getting more bite of a skin. How are you not seeing this? How are you failing to understand this, Garnt? - I literally don't give a shit when it comes to KFC. It's all chicken to me. - We're talking about fried chicken. - It's all fucking chicken to me.

- Bone or no bone, it's all chicken. - I love boneless wings. I love fried chicken burgers. I love the chicken selects, or whatever, chicken tendies. - Chicken tendies are fucking amazing. - Chicken tendies are better than nugs, I understand. And wings with bones in them suck dick compared to boneless. - Nugs are like the part of the chicken that nobody else eats, right? And they've repackaged it.

- Do you know why? It's the worst tasting part of the chicken. - Boneless is better than bones. - You are so wrong on suck, you know what? - I'm not, I'm not, man. I'm just straight up right. - I didn't think freedom of speech was a mistake until I heard, until I just heard you speak. - Bro, you're a clown, man. Like why are you making it more difficult to eat this and you're making more mess? - You're the reason flat earthers exist, man. - No, I'm not. - Like this is like- - Isn't boneless just like nuggets? - No. - No, no, no, no. - Boneless is not just like- - Shut up, Nami.

- You're not in this conversation. - Boneless nuggets are like chicken extract. It's hardly a chicken, it's paste, you know? It's like polystyrene with chicken taste. And chicken tendies are good. - Chicken tendies are awesome. - I think we're all in agreement, chicken tendies are good? - Yeah. - I mean, off the bone chicken is always the best.

That is the best- - Yeah, when it's taken off the bone. - Yeah, when it's taken off the bone. - Off the bone and then fried and then presented. - Kind of like boneless chicken. - Yeah, kind of like boneless. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - You take it off. - No, because you're taking the most tastiest part of the chicken. - The breast off the bone. - Chicken off...

- Chicken off the bone is literally boneless chicken with one extra step. - Fucking the breast is the worst tasting part of the chicken. - Have you tasted chicken asshole? - It's the most healthiest part of the chicken. - Have you had chicken feet? - Okay, well that's- - I rest my case. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, backtrack. - Okay, okay, okay. It's the most, it's the worst tasting part of the chicken that's like actually, you know,

- It's got meat on it. - It's the most healthiest for you. If you wanna eat a healthy meal, you should eat the leanest part of the chicken. - Which I do. - But that doesn't necessarily mean it tastes the best. And the fact that you think that all chicken tastes the same no matter what part of the chicken is from, you are so wrong. - The meat part of it, like the breast, the wing, it all comes in how it's prepared. It's entirely to do with that and how much,

water has been injected into it. - If you prepare each part of the chicken the same, which is exactly what fried chicken is, then the worst pacing- - Then it tastes the same. - Then it doesn't taste the same. - Again, I guarantee I can take two different fried chicken from two different parts, put it in front of you, blindfold you, you would not be able to tell the difference. - I would because fucking brass, especially in fried chicken.

- It's not moist at all, it's dry a lot of the time. - I think you're just, you know, you're confusing the feral instinct of tearing it off as a supplement for flavor. I think that's what's going on here. 'Cause there's no way, you know, when you rip the skin off and you were to eat it, it tastes the same. - Why don't they just sell breasts then? Why, why? - 'Cause they- - All chicken tastes the same. - What do you mean, they do, it's called boneless wings.

- No, I mean, why market wings in that case? - Because of people like you who think they know the difference. - Why market thighs? - What do you mean thighs? 'Cause thighs are like, what are they? I mean, they're more cartilage and they're cheaper, right? Like they're normally just like, they have more like shit in them, more muscle and stuff. - What? - The cartilage of chicken is like muscle. - I'm not talking about cartilage, I'm talking about thighs. - You said thighs and cartilage. - I just said thighs. - Oh yeah, thighs have more like cartilage in them though.

and like fucking muscles in the thigh. - What are you talking? It's just meat. It's a different part of the meat that tastes a bit different to the breast. - No, the thighs have more muscle in them. It's a thigh. - What the fuck? The breast has more muscle in it. We literally talked about this. The breast is the lean part of the chicken. That's the part with the most muscle. - I'm just gonna hang back. - You know when you bite into a meat, right? When you've bought thigh, there's just loads of like fibers and shit that you gotta like, ah fuck, you know what I mean?

- No. - What? - I really don't. - When you go to the supermarket and you cut up chicken thigh compared to chicken breast, the breast is like nothing in it. - You assume I cook. - It's your pure meat, right? The thigh, it's just like, it's got like fucking strands of muscle in it and shit. And it's way tougher. It's 'cause it's a thigh, it's got fucking muscle.

- I don't think we've ever been this silent. - Have you ever cooked a chicken thigh and a chicken breast? - You know what, I can't argue that. You know what, if you argue with an idiot, they'll just take you down to their level and beat you with experience, man. How can I argue? I'm gonna argue with you when you're just wrong on so many fucking levels. - Explain how I'm wrong.

- A thigh doesn't have the most amount of muscle because it's not the lean meat, right? It's the breast. The breast is pure muscle. It's pure muscle. - It's beef. - What do you think? All the meat is muscle, right? But the breast, the reason the breast has the most muscle is because it doesn't come with the bone. You have a pure slab of pure chicken muscle. - What are you saying? - Oh my- - The breast isn't just one big muscle.

- What? What do you think meat is? What do you think meat is? - It's a layer of different things. There's like fatty layers and stuff as well. It's a whole combination of things. So it's all just pure muscle. - Yes, it is. - No. - It is. - No, no, no, no, 'cause it's like fibers and stuff that connects all the muscle. - That's a muscle? - That's a muscle. - I gotta Google this. I gotta consult Google.

I'm like losing my mind here. I'm actually losing my mind. Breast content, it consists of fat. Yeah, it's... This has just turned into... Which is a muscle. Are you all entertained? I am.

- I'm not, I'm loving it. I'm just sitting back just watching you guys lose it over literal pieces of chicken. - I'm losing brain cells, man. Like that's like, I don't know how many brain cells has just died in this past conversation. - I can't believe you're getting heated over poultry. It's just hilarious. - I misunderstood what I was saying. I've Googled it. I misunderstood tendons and like muscles and I confused the two.

- It's all right, man. It's all right to admit when you're wrong. It's all good. It's all good. - I'm wrong. - You know what? You're the bigger man. You're the bigger man. Don't worry, man. - I'll admit when I'm wrong. I fucked up. - You're the bigger man. - Thank you. - You know, this episode started really calmly. Talking about candles, incense, you know, de-stressing

- The thigh does taste worse. - It ended up being one of the most stress inducing arguments. - Why couldn't we have started on this? It ended on the massage. - The thigh tastes worse. I'm saying because the muscle is used more often than the breast. - It not only became the most stress inducing argument, but also at the same time, I think it became- - I'm Googling it again. - I think it became one of the most

stupid arguments we've ever had on Trash Taste. - The reason the breast meat is the most lean is because that's the muscle that's the most used. - No, it's the least used. - Audio only listeners, you might wanna watch, tune into the YouTube version of this to see two men melting down over poultry. Only on Trash Taste. - You know what? I didn't think we could get more heated than the pizza crust argument. But like, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just so good.

- I just love like peering over at the- - The thigh is considered a darker meat because it's used way more. 'Cause they're walking all the fucking time. They're not fucking using their breasts all the time. - So what's lean meat then? - Lean meat, I think is when it's used less. - Is it? - I think so. - It's got less fat content compared to other parts of the meat.

- I thought that was because it was used the most. - Here's what Google says apparently. I googled, "Why is thigh dark meat?" And it says, "The more myoglobin, the darker the meat and the richer the nutrients. Myoglobin provides muscle with oxygen required for exercise and movement. Since chickens are flightless birds, they use their legs and thighs to get around, making those thoughts darker than the breast or wings." Because you're not using, how would you think

that the breast is used more than the thigh? How does that make any sense? Do you use your breasts more than your thigh?

- I was wrong on the muscle part, yes. But how could you think that the breast is used more than the thigh? What? - This is really heavy breathing, man. - We're both wrong. We're both fucking idiots. - You're still wrong about the taste. - You're still wrong too. - You're so fucking wrong. - You're fucking wrong. - We equaled the playing field, but you're still wrong. You're still fucking wrong.

- We're both fucking idiots and welcome to Trash Taste. - Welcome to Trash Taste. - Welcome to Trash Taste, two idiots arguing over chicken. - I feel like 30 minutes wasn't enough. - Oh my God.

- I just wanna know how you thought the chicken walked in your mind. - I just wanna know how you thought the breast had less muscle. - I just did a brain fall, that's my excuse. - We all know chickens shimmy when they walk around. - I just hear the fucking like the samba music. - Oh my God. - Yeah, I mean,

I mean, I just thought lean meat just had more muscle use. That's what I thought. I thought when I hear the word lean meat, it means it's got less fatty content. So I just assumed- Well, when someone's lean, right? They have some muscles, but not that much, right? They kind of have like- No, it's not worked out meat, right? It's kind of like not fat meat, but not very muscular. It's skinny meat. Or like, I think, right? Am I crazy here? It's just meat. Did you say someone's lean when they look like-

- When they look skinny but they kind of have muscle? - Yeah, they've got a little bit going on. You know what I mean? - Yeah, because there's only the muscle content. - They're not muscular though. - They're like slim things. - There's no fat content. - Yeah, there's no fat content. - Right, you've got lean meat. - So I assumed that because it was lean meat, then it would have less fat contents, therefore it was the one that was used the most.

- Right? That's my logic. - Yeah, I guess by that logic it'd be like, if I didn't do anything and didn't have any fat, I would be muscular. But I'm not using my muscles. - I'm still like confused. - Because the more you use a muscle, the more muscular it becomes and the more nutrients it demands. - So how does the breast have the most meat and muscle in it then? If it's the least?

- So when you're working out, right? The muscle fibers become a lot more intense and I believe they go through, like they're in the meat a lot more. I think if I'm correct in saying that. That's 'cause that's what makes like when you go to space, right? Your muscles get shit. The muscle fibers are so weak 'cause they haven't been used. So then when they, I believe when they're being used, they're a lot more intense and that's why when you have the thigh, it bites back a lot more. It's tougher to eat because the muscle fibers are so much stronger. That's how I interpreted it.

- Right, right. - Again, I misunderstood and that's why lean me because the breast isn't, you're not really using the breast much so there's not much muscle fiber to plant there. - Yeah. I don't even know where to take this conversation anymore. I'm just like,

- I'm just like, I don't think this episode can peak any more than intense argument. - Yeah, I feel like we're just gonna go downhill from here. - Yeah, we're just gonna go downhill from here. So you know what? Let's just fucking show off the patrons. - This might be a shorter episode than usual, but I feel like any other topic we can take from this is gonna be good. - Let's just end while we're high. Let's just end while we're at the high. - Joey had a fun spectator. - I was literally that meme of like the two guys arguing and the guy in the long.

- I was just like Sunday afternoon over here watching you. - I just like how we had such a civil podcast. We were having such a simple podcast and I literally remember the moment when it was just like, I didn't say it on purpose, but I just said, I disagree.

- I didn't do that on purpose. I know that's the meme, but I seriously didn't do that. - The conversation is like modern day times. When things get too peaceful, war is bound to come. - Exactly, exactly. We went from aromatherapy to two men with veins popping out on their forehead over chicken. - Oh, you think candles are good? Well, that's how World War I started.

- All right, well then here's all the patrons. Hey, let us know in the comments which part of the chicken you prefer. - I'm sure that one's gonna get boneless. - Boneless gang. - Boneless gang. - No, no, not all chicken tastes the same. Not all chicken tastes the same. - We're gonna do something. - Boned chicken tastes better. - We're gonna do something that we've never done before. And I'm doing this without asking permission. We're gonna do a poll on Twitter the day after this goes up. You guys have one day to vote on boneless or bone.

But hey, in the meantime, you can go over to our Patreon, patreon.com/trashtaste. Also follow us on the Twitter. Send us your memes on the subreddit. And if you hate our face, listen to us on Spotify. Although this episode might not be too great for Spotify. We recommend the YouTube version for this to watch two men lose it. - Tell them when they finish. - I don't know how much I peaked the mic. I really hope it wasn't too bad, but like I- - The mics are built different, it's fine. - Don't worry about it, it's all right.

- I love how he went from aromatherapy to fucking chicken. - Self-care to chicken. - Self-care to chicken. - I need to fucking, okay, maybe massages aren't so bad 'cause I feel like I need one now. - Yeah, I think we all need a massage after this. - Cool the fuck down after that. - I need some bath salts and some- - You know what I need? Maybe I need some candles. - No, I need some boneless chicken to calm me down after a nice argument.

- Oh my God, that stare that he just gave. I've never seen Gar give a death stare before. He was like. - Maybe being a monk was a mistake. - The time for peace has ended. - Gar has channeled all the gods and it's still trying his patience. - The only thing that can break a monk is a monkey. Who the fuck knew? - The mortal enemy. - Oh my God. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this episode and we'll see you guys in the next one.

Bye. Bye. Homeless chicken, guys. Bye. You're fucking wrong, Connor.