We Wouldn't Be Friends Without Trash Taste | Trash Taste #195
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- Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the Trash Taste Podcast. I'm Joey and I'm with the boys, Garnt and Connor. - That's us. - We're playing a game today. - Yeah. - We called it, I mean, we didn't decide on this game, on this title. I think our producer did. The Trash Taste Spectrum Game, which sounds so wrong. - We need to rename. - Yeah, we're not. - The only reason we, I guess our producer called it that is because we are ripping off Jubilee.

if you've seen the Jubilee show or- - Should you just explain it to people? - That's what I was going to do, Joey. - Okay, because I don't know this show. I found out about this show on Trash Taste. - What? - Oh, okay. - Yeah. - Because I don't think it ever played in Australia. - No, no, no, it's not a TV show. It's a YouTube series. - Oh, it's a YouTube series. Okay, I still don't know it. - The font made me think it was like, "Trash Taste Spectrum Game." Do we all think the same?

- I think the same as me. - It's like echoing away. - But yeah, we did a Trash Taste After Dark of this game. And we actually, when we were doing the Trash Taste After Dark, we were like, I think this is more of a main channel thing. - After Dark was a thing. - To be fair, After Dark, I realized this the other day, I was like, wait, we just did double the podcasts every week, which is-

- Yeah, basically. - This is a really fun idea. And I remember we had a really, I think we all felt like this was a really good episode. So we're gonna do it again with more prompts. - Lots of good discussions and banter. - So how this works is we are going to be given a statement. Maybe it's something like, do you like pizza or pizza is good? And you have five options. You have strongly disagree, disagree, no opinion or neutral.

- I agree and strongly agree. And we have to have a discussion on

- What our answers are and why your opinion is right and the others are objectively wrong. - Can we change each other's mind? - Yes. - Example prompt, trash taste is mid, answer strongly agree. Well, okay, actually that's not a how to play. That's saying the answer. There's no answer. - I agree with that. - I strongly agree with this strongly agree. - I disagree. - I disagree with that. - All right, so yeah, we have a bunch of prompts that our producer sent to us.

- Let the banter and discussion begin, shall we? - I'm gonna try and be energetic because on the day of recording, we have had zero coffee. - Well, actually the first question plays in nicely to this. - Oh, does it? - Yeah, I think so. - All right, let's check out the first one then.

the rise of food delivery apps has negatively impacted how eating happens. - Wait, are you serious? That's the first question. - So to give you some background context, today- - That was like self-fulfilling prophecy right here. - So yeah, today for some reason in Japan, Uber Eats is just not, the entire app is down. And Joey was like, "What do I do?" And then we also normally order coffees in, which is super lazy and you should never do this, but we do this 'cause we're lazy as fuck.

And we can't order coffees and Joey's dying for a coffee. - I mean, I had a bit of an energy drink before. So hopefully that kicks in soon. - Weirdly today I decided, you know, I'm gonna go to my local coffee place, get a sandwich and a coffee there. - Yeah, you can prepare. - Which I never do. I never do that. And I didn't look at Uber Eats, so I didn't know it was down. And then I came here and I was like, oh shit,

- Yesterday I accidentally ordered two salads. We have two recording days back. - You guys were like doomsday perfect. - So I had a salad in the fridge, just ready to go. - Maybe the combination of Garnt's double order, which put too much strain on it, combined with me not ordering, it just fucked up the scene. They were like, "What's happening? Shut it all down. We gotta figure this out." - My usual customers have just gone out to get their own food. - They're like, "The profits have gone down by half. Something's gone wrong with our business model." - Garnt didn't order one day.

- All right. So negatively impact our eating habits. Okay. - Oh, I'm going to say. - Habits, habits, habits. I guess how am I interpreting that? The amount of food, how often I eat, what kind of food I'm eating. - Yeah. - Just eating habits. - I'll say. - How much food? - I'll say. - I don't know why I have a feeling we're all gonna.

- I agree on this. - Have the same opinion on this. - You think so? - I don't know. I have a feeling. - I have a feeling. - Ready? Three, two, one. - Disagree. - Oh, I said agree. - Ooh. - With five E's. - Ooh, disagree. - Well, Joey, you are wrong.

- Yeah, I'm surprised. I thought everyone would say agree to this because- - So why do you agree with that? - Okay, I agree with this because, you know, just coming anecdotally into this, you know, I depend very heavily now on Uber Eats because A, I can't cook and B, I'm too lazy to learn how to cook, right? And I think the problem now is that because

you just have a selection of anything and everything that's in your area, right? I think most people, you know, like to think to themselves like, oh, you know, I'm gonna be eating healthy and oh, thank God there's a salad place right next to my house. So let's just like keep eating salads and whatnot. But if you're given the choice of like salads and a bunch of like unhealthy foods,

let's be honest, most people are gonna break and just go, "Eh, you know what? Today I'll just do a cheat day. I'll just get McDonald's, I'll just get blah, blah, blah." - It sounds like an argument for the disagree camp. - I- - Oh, I agree, no, yeah. Actually, we order salads. - Yeah, I know, but you guys have strong wills. - I like the taste of salad. - I hear that Joey, and I'm like, weak mindset, skill issue. - No, well, yeah, obviously. - If we're going anecdotally, my eating habits have gotten way healthier.

from delivery apps just because I'm too lazy to make a fucking salad. If I'm cooking something, I wanna cook something I'm like properly craving like a fucking lasagna, like a roast. - I tried to find croutons once at my supermarket. They just didn't exist. I just like couldn't find them. And I was like, what the fuck? - Oh, that's also a skill issue. - This is so annoying. - I've had croutons in Japan before. - Really? I could only find them in Costco.

- What? - In my local supermarket. It's a pretty sizable supermarket. They didn't have it. - I have it in my local supermarket. - I asked them, I was like, "Kuruton, aribatsu ka?" And they were like, "Oh, damme desu." - What is a kuruton? - Yeah, and I can't, I don't know. I just can't make my salads taste good. There's just way too much effort to have like a good tasting salad with something healthy. - Okay, well then why did you say agree?

- Okay, so the reason why I put agree is that on the one hand, I do agree with that notion. And I do find myself, often my lunches are very light. - Yeah. - 'Cause, and here's the problem I have. Dinner, ordering dinner, I always over order. Or I always feel like I get more food than I need, which results in me eating more food than I want. - Right. - 'Cause I think I always order like 1.3

two or three times what I want. Like one's perfect. - But is that as a result of food delivery apps or is that as a result of your misconception and misjudgment of Japanese food portion sizing? - Well, it's like, I feel like at a restaurant, I don't have this issue often. And I feel like in Uber Eats, 'cause you're often like, all right, sometimes I'll order something. It'll be like, ah, add 200 more yen to your cart to get free delivery. And I'm like, all right, fuck it. I guess I'll add it.

And then you're like, all right, well now I have more food than I wanted. I just find that it's harder when I used to cook myself, I've known that in a very long time. I have to like dust off my pans. I found it way easier to make the portions that I wanted. And I felt like I was eating better because of that. I think also as well,

- Definitely, sometimes at dinner, I don't choose the healthiest options. And like, if I cook for myself, I can at least make sure I know what's in it. And then other times I'm like, man, I don't really know what I'm eating sometimes. - Yeah, I think it's that ease of access that's like for, at least for like the majority of people who use food delivery apps, it's just like, because you have that option to get anything and everything, you're gonna get the tastiest stuff. And nine times out of 10, the tastiest stuff is usually rather

- This is from the perspective of like, I mean, how often a week do you order stuff? And yourself? Actually, just so we can like, 'cause I think that for this argument to make sense, it needs to come from the perspective that we all tend to use this app quite a lot. - Yeah, I probably use it maybe like,

- Two or three times a week? - I'm like five times a week, I think. - Oh, okay. - I am also five times a week for lunch. - Right. - Because I get salads every day. Because if I didn't have a new burrito app, I would probably eat a lot less healthy because it's,

it's less exciting. I like cooking, but I like cooking stuff that I know that I like and is going to taste good. It's a lot less exciting for me to learn to cook a recipe that is, you know, health that I'm doing for like health reasons that I might not enjoy as much as cooking like a good, like fat lasagna or like a nice pasta or some Thai food, you know? And to me, like,

Delivery apps has made it like the rise of delivery apps has also come with like the rise of choice because I think before Uber Eats was a thing, the only thing you could really get from delivery are pizzas or some burgers or stuff like that. But now with this whole new rise of delivery apps, you have a whole new, I don't know what to call it, genre of foods that is out there. You can have like, of course you can still get the pizzas and the burgers, but now I feel like there's a rise of different healthier choices that just weren't there before.

And yes, one of the big downsides of deliveries is the fact that you don't know what's going into your food. If you want to eat healthy, the best way to control exactly how many calories and what ingredients you use is by cooking yourself. But right now there is more choice for healthier options than there was like way before. Because before, like I said, you order out, what does that mean? Pizza, burger, kebab. And that was pretty much it. So I think...

- I actually, yeah. That's why I actually disagree with that because if you have the right mindset, you can still have healthier eating habits. - Shit, he makes a good point, boys. - I'm a weak man, Garnt. When I'm at that checkout and they show those ads for McDonald's, sometimes I cave. - Some days I'm just like, you know what? - Some days I cave. - Yeah, Domino's sounds really good right now. - Yeah, but okay. - I cave in. - Okay, you had that day before Uber Eats was a thing where you're like, fuck. - No, I didn't because I didn't have money.

- 'Cause I was broke. - Well, that's nothing to do with this. - There was that one day in uni when you got together and you're like, fuck. It's like you came back at 2:00 AM or some shit or you're like, fuck, I'm craving food right now. What the fuck do you order? You order a Domino's. That time when we went to Singapore, Joey, and we spent five fucking hours trying to order. - We got a Pizza Hut at like three in the morning.

We had no fucking Uber Eats. - But you got to make up that shit was lit. - That shit was lit. But we use a good old phone, Joey. And we tried, we had to stumble our way through. - It was so funny. It was just like five adults in an apartment in Singapore, Airbnb. We're just like scrambling around on this phone being like, how do you,

"How do you order pizza on a phone? I've never done this." And we were like drunk. It was me, Joey, Alan and Sydney. We were drunk watching fucking anime OPs all day. And we were like so drunk, we were like, "Oh, what would be great right now? Pizza." We don't know how the phone works. So it was like four horrendously drunk people trying to work a phone, which is a lot harder than what it seems like. - It took like three hours to order this shit. I'm like, "What the fuck?"

- Why? - 'Cause it was the only thing that was open at the time. And I guess everybody in the city was trying to order from this one Pizza Hut. So they were just like, "Oh yeah, we'll deliver it to you "in the next two, three hours." And we're like, "What the fuck?" And yeah, I think it arrived at like two or three in the morning, right? - Yeah. - It was pretty late though. - So do you guys think you eat more now, like portion sizes because you get to order or do you think-

- Yeah, 'cause I feel like I have this bad habit where I'm worried about like if I get too little in my, when I order food, I don't know. Like I'm like, I don't wanna be hungry, which is so dumb. So I think that I'm not really gonna be hungry. I'll just be like slightly like peckish.

- I mean, I for one, regardless of the food delivery apps, like just this past year, I've been like cutting down on portions a lot 'cause you know, I'm trying to lose weight or whatever. And I have successfully, but at first it was like really fucking hard to, because it's so easy to just open up Uber Eats and then just be like, yeah, I'll just order whatever.

So I really had to like control myself with that. But again, like, you know, I understand that for a lot of people who don't want to do that or who can't do that, they're just this sudden impulse to just be like, yeah, I'm just gonna order a shitload of food because I can, because it's convenient. I don't even have to move from the couch. Boom, it's right there. So yeah, for me, it's actually been less the past year, but that has, again, nothing to do with-

- Yeah, I feel like I would get a, I mean, ultimately I should just cook is the world's best scenario. However, the convenience is worth so much right now in my life and then how I work and do my stuff. - I mean, even before where I've like properly gone to Uber Eats, I still think,

- We're just lazy, all right? Even if Uber Eats wasn't a thing, I would probably be eating more conbini food. - I mean, I still do. - I think that the way that we live our lifestyle and the way that like, you know, especially with the content creation stuff, it's all so fast and we have to be at places or be on camera for a bunch of like a time. So I think it's kind of impossible to,

have your cake and eat it and be like, you should just cook. And it's like, well, we just don't have time. - Yeah, I mean, like today is a perfect example. Uber Eats app wasn't working and I didn't have any food. So I literally went to the coffee to get food. That's just how it is. - I know people like meal prep and stuff. And that's, you know, I think that's also a good option.

- Yeah. - But I don't know. I mean, I'm just lazy. - People just be lazy. I think my food habits have gotten healthier after food delivery apps because before I was maybe not company but just going to the supermarket and getting like the pre-prepped meals. - Those are good. - Yeah. - Those are good. - And you know, even when I lived in England just go into Tesco's and just buying a Tesco meal deal which I would argue is, you know not any more or less healthy, you know?

- Oh yeah, I used to always get like the little like six piece, like roll thing. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - 'Cause they would always be like a hundred yen at the supermarket, which is ridiculous, but I mean like- - They fill you up too. - Dude, those things, like the cucumber ones too, those things are just rice, salt and veg and you're like, all right, I'm full now, fuck this. It's good shit. - All right, well that was the first question. - All right, what's next? - Starting off first.

- Ooh, okay. Space exploration is a waste of resources. - All right, Elon Musk. - Okay. - Excuse me. - Okay.

- All right, we all have our answer? - Yeah. - All right, ready? Three, two, one. - Neutral. Strongly disagree. - Yeah, I strongly disagree for me too. - Strongly disagree. - Neutral. - Neutral, yeah. - See, I thought for sure this would be the one where you'd be on this side because you've been so recently into the whole space shit. - Oh, I fucking love space. - So now I'm curious, why are we saying neutral?

- 'Cause we have, let's sort out the shit that's going on on our own planet, Ria. Let's sort that shit out first. - Yeah, but does that necessarily mean it's a waste of resources? - Yeah.

- I mean, that's why it was like neutral. I wouldn't say it's a waste of resources, but I would say there are higher priority issues that are going on in our world right now that immediately need to be addressed. - Okay, there's a lot of ways to break down that argument. And that's like a common argument I think people use. I think first of all, let's look at how much is often spent on space exploration, which is a very small amount. I think, you know,

I mean, just from like the American's perspective, what is the budget? Like it's like 50% is military. - Right. - And then- - Yeah, well, it's like anything compared to the military budget is just like 1%. - Yeah, right, right, right. So like, you could argue that like that could be a waste of resources. But I feel like to look at space exploration and be like, it's a waste of resources is,

I feel like it's kind of doesn't take into account the full picture. Like if we look at like what NASA does or like what NASA has invented in the process of trying to further space exploration, we have a lot of things to thank for that. Like I think like MRIs, like one of them, which- - Satellites. - Yeah, like all of this stuff makes our daily life better. Like increasing this knowledge improves everything for us. And so I think that it's kind of like when you're playing a game, when you're playing like Civ, right? Yeah, sure.

we could keep making the army and deal with the bronze age or we can go to the next age and make everything better for everyone and start like thinking about the future. - Well, you can make that same, I'm gonna play devil's advocate. You can make that same argument about military technology. Pretty much all of the, so much technology that is convenient for us now started off as like military tech, like the internet, for example. - Yeah, but I wouldn't argue that military stuff is always a waste of money. I just think that saying the space exploration in general is a waste of money is a tough,

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- Yeah. - I don't know, man. I think at this point we've been saying this as humanity, we've been saying like, we all need to come together and save the planet. And then everyone comes together and tries to discuss and it's like, okay, we actually don't really know how to solve this. I think at this point, like,

the future is in space at this point, you know? - Bro's like it's a lost cause, time to jump ship bro. - Legitimately, like if we spent so much fucking time coming together being like, all right guys, and make sure everybody uses your, you know, get rid of the plastic straws and make sure to bring your own bag to the supermarket. It's like, bro, like,

Has that fixed all the issues that we have in the world in terms of like the world on the brink of fucking blowing up? Probably not. - I knew there was a bunch of stuff that NASA had made without, that wouldn't, and they made a convenient thing. I'm guessing 'cause they have to make this argument all the fucking time. - Yeah, of course. - There's 20 things we wouldn't have without space travel. Camera phones, scratch resistant lenses, CAT scans, LEDs, landmine removal, athletic shoes, foil blankets, water purification systems, dust blowers, ear thermometers, home air purifiers,

insulation,

the jaws of life, what the fuck is that? Wireless headphones, memory phone, freeze dried food, adjustable smoke detector, baby formula, artificial limbs, computer mouse, portable computer. I would argue- - That's a lot of really fucking important things. - It is just very obvious that the progressing these and in allowing more importantly, these very highly skilled smart people to have jobs and research freely and find cool shit is how we make life better. 'Cause like right now we have problems. Who knows what technology we could come up with

eradicate some problems that we're really struggling with. - Right. - Yeah, well, I think it's a difference between specifically space exploration and more of just, we should spend more budget on just sciences in general because that's all the things that space exploration has given us, I'm sure by accident, it's not like they,

went out and was like, "We are trying to design these things." - Well, I think that there's a problem, right? So let's say you need a tiny camera for whatever reason. Let's develop a tiny camera for the space station or whatever. - Yeah. Okay, but let's look into the specifics. - But you can apply that argument for any science.

- Let's look into the specifics of this particular statement though. It's space exploration. So basically going out, exploring other planets in our solar system or in our vicinity, for example, all right? - That's like a narrow minded way to look at just space exploration, I think. You're not like accounting the full picture of what it takes to- - But let's take into account, for example, right? Like if we're taking this literally, right? Say, you know, sending a Rover to Mars. Do you think that's a waste of resources? - No. - No. - Why? - Why?

- Well, I mean, we're bettering vehicles. We're making cool shit. We're finding more about other planets. It could be very useful to us. You know, we have this problem right now where we're like mining a bunch of fucking minerals. What if we figure out that, hey, this planet has a fucking gigaton of minerals we need. Obviously it's not an immediate fix for our problems, but it gives us more information to make better decisions down the line. - The amount of minerals and resources that are in the asteroid belt right now is probably more than like

anything on earth combines. - Right. - Would definitely propel humanity. - I said minerals, I said like a fucking Starcraft thing. - You're a horrible minerals. - They're on rocks, Marie, they're minerals. - I'm trying to fight this fight, right? And my knowledge is like very surface level of all of this stuff. - Yeah.

- Yeah, like you said, there's stuff out there. The problem is obviously we have no idea how to fucking figure it out right now or how to bring that shit to us. - That's why I said like neutral, which is like if we poured resources into exploration, there is so much that can happen that can further humanity, including like natural resources on comets and asteroids that we can mine and farm.

more effective ways to like mine energy or just like convert energy from the sun as well. As well as just general cool stuff like there are, you know, seeing if there's actually alien life out there in like probably our own solar system because you know, we have plenty of moons and like Jupiter and Saturn that could potentially

a house. - Is it like Ganymede or EO has like a, is it like a water moon or something? - No, it's Europa. - Europa, that's it. - It's Europa that has an entire moon that is

scientists very much believe has a ocean beneath the surface. And there is also Titan as well, which has a thick atmosphere. - I know you know all this, and you think it's neutral. I know you know all this about the moons, and you think neutral. - Yeah, the reason I think neutral is because I think there is the potential for so much out there that could further humanity. But in all the time limit it takes for us to see a return on that,

like all the effects that space exploration could have. In my mind, I'm like, the Earth is probably gonna be fucked way before that can come about. - And I think this is a fault that we as humans have is that we don't like imagining things outside of our existence. Like we live 80 years conservatively.

we are really bad at committing to things that we know will pay off in 500, 1,000. - Do you think so? - Yeah, we're terrible. Are you kidding me? You can't have a political leader for more than four years sometimes. How are you gonna commit beyond that? - Do you think that is a problem with like modern age humans or because like, you look back at like the pyramids or the great wall of China and that took like

generate fucking generations upon generations to build. We get someone was out there and it was just like, I don't want to build this massive structure. - Yeah, but that's because they had nothing else to do back then. - Normally they are like authoritarian leaders who have slave labor. - I don't think they had a choice back then. - Listen, if you try to do that now in the UK, you're like- - Slavery was a thing. - Maybe dictatorships are right actually. - This is how people become authoritarian, Garnt.

They're like, "Ah, yes, yes, that leader will get shit done. He's a bully."

It's like, yeah, let's build the Great Wall of Birmingham. - The only bad dictators out there are just bad dictators. - This is why we need to bring totalitarianism back. - Oh my God. This is not the takeaway of this argument of space exploration that we should have totalitarianism, Joey. - Actually, this is the exact plot of "Legends of the Galactic Heroes." - Yeah, literally. - Literally, we have a bad democracy versus one good...

- Oh, fuck. - Dictator, that was- - But this is why it's also a problem 'cause it's so easy to like, to somebody who doesn't care or doesn't want to know more about space exploration or NASA or science in general, it's such an easy argument to be like, we're wasting money when we could be giving our veterans more money. - Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, I think most people who say like, oh yeah, it's totally a waste of resources is saying it purely just from like ignorance or not understanding the importance. Yeah, there's lots of caveats in this, but I think,

in the long run, like in the long, long, long run, if humanity wants to exist past what is viable or what we can even imagine in our lifetimes, I think space exploration is the only way to go. 'Cause eventually, what is it? Is it like in 3 billion years from now, like the sun is just gonna swallow up the earth anyway? - That's 3 billion years away. - Yeah, but we gotta get the fuck out eventually.

- We're gonna be wiped out way before then. - Oh yeah, I'm sure. I totally agree. Humanity is gonna fuck itself over before that happens. But if we want a better chance at maybe a fresh start or getting a better perspective on how we're currently living and how we're currently treating the planet, I think space exploration is- - I don't even think it's the only way to go. I think-

I think there's an equal chance that humanity is just gonna give up on going into space and just live in the internet and machines and the online world. And I think if we look at how we've progressed in the past 20 years, that's actually looking like the more likely option. - Yeah. - You know, because- - Well, no, I don't think so. 'Cause I think we definitely made, even though we're not in like the rocket, let's go to the moon era anymore. We're still pushing for-

for really innovative stuff to help with space exploration. I mean, like the James Webb telescope that got sent to us recently, which is a huge undertaking and it was like so fucking expensive and hopefully will tell us a lot, but you know, that- - It already has. - Yeah, so I think like to argue this is tough. I think it's absolutely not a waste of money. And there are other things that could be done better. I mean, honestly, we probably waste way more money from just having like incompetent, like structural,

like management of like government agencies in general. Like we're probably just wasting money on dumb shit. - Oh yeah, I mean, the statement isn't like space for exploration is the only waste of resources. My fucking God, the amount of resources we are wasting in a lot of other places. - But I think if like, if you're looking at everything, this is like one of the least waste of resources that we can do. - I mean, yeah, I guess we're barely spending any resources

- I think it's one of the best investments humanity has made. - We don't spend a lot and for what we do get, it's innovative. - So do you think we should spend more on space exploration? - I 100% think we should spend more on space exploration. - But problem is right now is that we're in a very tumultuous time where this is like bottom of the barrel issue right now for most people. 'Cause talking about what is going on currently, there's a lot more pressing things for most people, which I think is also fair.

It's, I don't think we should be like, I'm not advocating that like this should be everyone's top priority. It's like, no, if there is other shit going on, there's wars happening. Okay, yeah, that's a priority right now. But to write this whole industry off or this whole idea off as a waste of resources is just stupid. - Yeah, I agree.

- All right, well. - I like space travel. - Yeah, also space is just dope. How do you not think space is dope? - I do love space. - Yeah, I know you do. - Sick as fuck. - Bro, you know the name of the moons with the oceans on them. What the fuck? I don't know that. - That's basic level, bro. - I don't give a fuck what's going on in Titan. - I do.

- Bro, there's like a thick cloud of atmosphere. - That's cool. - Imagine the day when we like discover the first like multi-celled organism on another planet. - Oh my God. - Wouldn't that be so fucking hype? - We'd kill it in five minutes. - Yeah, probably. - We'd find a way to kill it. - Probably, but he died for science. - Yeah. - We'll be pumped though. I'm very excited for it. 'Cause I think it's an inevitability at some point. - Next one.

- Ooh, okay. The success of an anime is dependent on animation quality. - Fuck. This is kind of hard actually. Gotta think about this one. - You know what? I actually might change my answer here. - Oh. - This is such a...

- Animation quality is such a dirty word. - It is. - What is that? That's untruthful. - It's very floaty, isn't it? - Okay. - It could mean a number of things. - I have my answer. Yeah. All right. - Okay. - Three, two, one. Agree. - Neutral. - Stonk agree. - Stonk agree. - Stonk agree. - Ooh. - Okay. All right. - Originally I had disagree.

But then I thought about it a bit more and I thought, no, I think it actually is very, very important and crucial. - I think nowadays especially. - I have three words, Crunchyroll Anime Awards.

- I have two words, Jesus the Kaiser. - I guess like success is such a, okay, there's so many words in here that can be really openly interpreted. What does success mean? - Success means commercial, commercial, critical. - I'm talking about commercial success. - I say everything, I say everything. - Yeah, I mean, here's the thing, right, is,

The pattern I see is that there can be successful shows that don't depend on animation quality, right? But those more and more seem like the outlier. It's like the selling point is that, yo, this show slaps and it doesn't even need good animation. But the thing is, especially when it comes to the general audience, we like pretty things.

Same thing with the video game industry. We like good graphics or something that looks good. If there is like an indie game that has graphics that are not as polished, it can still have really, really good gameplay, but the gameplay better be fucking amazing for it to blow up. Same thing with anime. If it doesn't have good animation, that means the story quality has to be fucking amazing. And yet we have seen a lot of anime

I'm not going to name any names. You can pick out probably a list from your own, uh, where the story, the characters might not be top tier, but, uh,

- Everyone still, it still has a lot of popularity for the animation. - Yeah, just check the past like maybe three or four anime awards entries. - The fact that Demon Slayer is a popular anime. - Yeah, I was about to say. - Thank you for saying it. - I also think that actually the one thing, the one anime that made me actually change my answer, and I think this is like a textbook, I mean, because the studio changed between seasons.

- One Punch Man. - One Punch Man, yeah. - And like One Punch Man season two, I mean, I'm sure it was financially successful, but culturally it was not successful at all. No one cared about the second season. - Yeah, it's funny. - Purely because the animation went off. There's nothing else changed in the show. The writing's the same, the actors are the same. We literally have a textbook example of the only thing changing is the animation. - Yeah.

- Yeah, I mean, yeah, "One Punch Man" is a great example because it's like, you know, you hear from a lot of like manga readers that after the point of season one, like the story of season two just keeps building and building. - It's a better story. - It's a better story than season one, right? And yet when season two of the anime came out, no one was fucking talking about it. Nobody, 'cause they were just like, "Oh yeah, I heard the story's good, but it's just not the same without that previous studio." And I'm like,

- Okay. - I mean, it's not though. Did you guys finish season two? - Yeah. - It was all right. - I mean, I think they were also at an awkward point in season two with the fights. Like I don't think there was any giant amazing ones, but they definitely, I think- - So are you excited about season three then? - I am pumped about season three, but it's JC Staff there again. - It's still JC Staff.

- But I am pumped because I got- - I do prefer the pruney this point. - But Gauru, I just love as a character so much that I'm willing to watch it. But like, I think that like we, yeah, like there's just so much examples of animation quality, unfortunately being the thing that, not even like the determiner, but at least a tell for what show is gonna do well.

- Yeah, exactly. When I'm watching like the 40 odd shows every season, animation quality plays a big part about whether I'm going to like watch this past episode one, because I'm sure I've missed some hidden gems where it doesn't like completely pop off in episode one. But sometimes you can get a feel for, sometimes to me, I get a feel for what the creators put all of their resources into. Because when you have like,

30 shows that look the same and 10 shows where you have that extra little bit of polish, it does really does stand out. - I also thought about, people might use the example, I was trying to think of shows that had bad animation that were very popular. And I couldn't really think of any shows that were like, were actually terrible animation and popular.

But I could think of animation styles like say, "The Husband Yakuza Show." Well, that was basically a slide show. - Yeah. - I wouldn't say that's popular. - Right, but I felt like that show relatively was quite successful given it was quite a small show. - I think the only reason is because it was banking off the hype of the manga. - Yeah, and I felt that like almost at that point, I don't think that was like a...

- I mean, I would spare the animation. I feel like the quality there, I mean, at least I felt like it felt almost intentional. They were like, "Hey, we have this, we're gonna make the show like this. We're gonna make the style like this good." I don't think the quality of that style was bad. Was it great animation? You can be the judge of that, but I don't think it was bad animation. - Yeah, I mean, some shows I feel like they don't necessarily need good animation.

off the top of my head, I can think of something like Odd Taxi, which, you know, it's not exactly the animation was amazing. It wasn't bad, but it did everything that it needed to do and pretty much just that. And to counteract that, you have something like Free Ren, which I don't think needs good animation, but for some reason it just completely pops off. When we're like, even though the,

the core of the story has nothing to do with needing good animations to really sell you on this story and this world. - I feel like I can, do you ever think there's this weird phenomenon now with shows that get really hyped, the animation gets better as the show gets more hype? - What do you mean? - Like "Free-Ren" is so, so popular.

And in my head, I'm like, I wonder if the animators go harder 'cause they know how popular the show is. Because it's different- - I wouldn't be surprised. - 'Cause it's different, right? Like back then the show was normally animated and yeah, maybe it's airing on TV, but normally a good chunk of it's animated before it was ever like seen. Now it's like, it's week by week. So if you know you're about to be seen by like a fuck ton of people and you're an animator, you're like, all right,

- Well, I mean, just look at like the recent, like massive rising of like the one piece anime, for instance, like that animation quality just keeps getting better and better and better. And sure, like, you know, I'm sure a lot of that hype is also due to the fact that the actual story itself is also just getting more and more great.

but the better animation quality and just the more like insane, like, yo, what the fuck is this type of like animation is most certainly helping it to build up the hype. Because if like, if gear five reveal was at the same quality of animation as like, say like the gear two reveal back in the day, I don't think people will be talking about it as much.

- I don't know. - I think it's the fact- - I think One Piece just has that power. - Yeah, One Piece might have that power, sure. But I think for a lot of those shows, I think it's just the fact that the animation quality of just big shows like that in general is getting better, is helping the hype. - To that perspective, One Piece was,

without having good animation quality for a good period. - Yeah, I would say. - Yeah. - I would say that. - Good is a subjective. - It was acceptable back in the day. - It's definitely, I mean, it's definitely aged

as the time has gone on. - Which is why they're making a Brotherhood. - Which is why they are remaking it. I mean, that will probably fix my biggest problem with One Piece, which is not exactly the animation quality. That's more to do with the pacing. - Yeah, the first, bro.

- The pacing of the anime is just fucking dog shit. Even with the increased animation quality in the later arcs that still doesn't like change the fact that I feel like it goes way too slow. - It is crazy how I'm like halfway through One Piece and I feel like I don't understand anything that One Piece fans reference ever.

because I feel like people only reference the second 500 chapters. - Yeah. - All of the important shit from my understanding happens in the second half. The first half, no one ever fucking talks about it. - Well, I think it's more so just like at this point in the story, all the parts that make sense. - Every single goddamn character I see, I'm like, who the fuck is that? Why is there a rabbit with tits? What is this? Who is this and why is she everywhere?

- Yeah, that's true. So, okay, do you think Demon Slayer would be as popular? - No. - Hell the fuck no. - Do you think that Judas Gleason would be as popular without the animation quality? - I highly doubt it. - Yes Connor?

- I know Jujutsu Kaisen fans will disagree with me, but I think it's purely based on, 'cause whenever somebody talks about the latest episodes of Jujutsu Kaisen, the first thing they say is, "Yo, that animation was nuts." And I'm like, okay, but what about the story though? - Jujutsu Kaisen is kind of swag though. - Yeah, because of the animation. - It does. - You put in Gojo and the cast is just kind of swag. - Yeah, but that's character design and animation.

- I'd say mostly character design. - Yeah. - But that paired with the insane animation. - I think it would still do pretty decently, but I don't think it would be the kind of success that it sees right now. 'Cause I mean, I'm like chubbed up watching it. - Yeah, because the animation. - After watching season two, especially the Shibuya arc, it was just like,

I don't know if this is a hard take, but I'm like, hmm, maybe Jujutsu Kaisen and Demon Slayer don't have a more similar than fans would like to admit. - Yes. - But Jujutsu Kaisen has like the rule of cool factor, which is what Demon Slayer doesn't have. - I'm also just so invested in the Jujutsu Kaisen like meme-iverse online.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, it feels almost like- - The bottomy-keister. - Yeah, I feel like legitimately like, "Juicy Kaisers" is like the most memed thing right now. I don't know if I'm just being fed what I like. - No, I mean, I'm not even a fan of the show and I love the fucking memes. - The memes are so good. I just fucking, it's so good.

- I saw one the other day, it was like, this motherfucker had his career started against Kobe and LeBron. And it was the fire head one. 'Cause he only fights Sukuna and Gojo. I don't know why that's funny. It's just like, people are so good at turning this stupid other worldly nonsense into somewhat relatable funny. - Real life stuff, yeah. - I don't know, it's fun.

I saw a thread about like every Jiu Jitsu Kaisen characters win loss ratio. And they had like a breakdown of how many, like it was like a fucking UFC stats breakdown where they broke down like how many fights they've been in, how many wins they've had, how many losses and how many draws they've had. And I'm like, let's just take away all like narrative importance. - We should just stop doing sports betting on the next Jiu Jitsu Kaisen fight. - I think they probably already do that, you know?

- Another example actually I want to give of this that I just remembered is the Bleach, Thousand Year Blood War arc. - Yeah. - Like I think it wouldn't have been as talked about and I don't think Bleach fans would have been, well, I know Bleach fans would have been inclined to watch it regardless, right? 'Cause it's, you know, new Bleach in 2020s. But like, I think,

the average like anime watcher would not have been as reluctant or would not have been as like more inclined to watch the "1000 Year Blood War" arc if it wasn't for the fact that Bleach fans who were already gonna watch it anyway were going, "Yeah, but the animation's fucking insane." - Which it is, but I don't know how popular the "1000 Year Blood War" arc is

- But I'm saying, I think the really fantastic animation is the, I think it's the fact that the Thousand Year Blood Rock had such insane animation is what got a lot of people to actually give it a try than they otherwise wouldn't have. - But like, I wouldn't have given it a try if I,

I hadn't spent so much time reading the manga. - Yeah, but that's 'cause you're a Bleach fan. - Back in the day, back in the day. - Yeah, you and I are Bleach fans, so we were probably gonna watch it regardless. - Were Bleach fans. - Were. - Excuse me. - Put some respect on that word. - Excuse me. We were Bleach fans, right? So we were gonna watch it regardless just to see what it was like. But I think for people, especially in the new era, like anime fans,

who maybe didn't grow up with Bleach like we did, they wouldn't have been inclined to watch it if they didn't see the animation was good. - I don't know if many people are because the only people who are- - I heard a lot of people who never watched the Bleach anime give it a go 'cause they saw that the animation was good. - How the fuck would they know what's going on then? - Because they didn't care about the story. They just cared about the fights and animation. - Bro, this is like the climax arc that is built on everything that's happened before. How the fuck do they know what's going on?

- You assume there aren't brain dead anime fans out there. Which there are a lot of. - That's the problem with this statement, Joey. - They just wanna see pretty animation. That's all it is. - By the way, are you watching "Free Run," Joey? - I am watching "Free Run." - Oh, fuck yeah. Okay, good. - Yeah, "Free Run" is great. - We're all watching "Free Run." - Hell yeah. - I'm caught up on the manga as well, bro. - This is going up to, that just put a fucking tune in exam arc in the place for like absolutely no reason. I'm gonna search up like- - That arc is kinda long. - Good anime. - It is a bit long.

- It's a bit long. - It's a bit long. - We're a little too comfortable with how long it is. I'm like, come on now. We love now, come on. Come on, wrap it up. - Wrap it up. - I should have the Game Awards sign. Wrap it up. This arc's getting a little long now, come on. - All right, I'm looking at, let's see if there are any good,

with bad animation or average animation. - That's the piece part three. - It's so, same bad animation is so subjective. - Average. - Because, okay, here's a question. This is one that gets thrown around a lot.

- Akunohana anime. Do you think that was bad animation? - No. - What is Akunohana? - The flowers of evil. - You, that's a very, okay. - Do you, Garnt, do you think that was bad animation? - I think that was experimental animation. - I agree. - And I think it worked in some places and it didn't.

didn't work in other places. - I agree. I think that a lot of people who try to give "Akanohana" a go immediately saw that art style, immediately saw that animation was like, this is shit animation. - Yeah, 'cause it's ugly as fuck. - It is ugly as fuck, but it's an ugly as fuck story as well. So it makes sense. - Fair enough. - I mean, it's like,

- There's this one scene in "Akahunahana" which like, I think it's like episode seven where they completely wrecked this classroom. And I honestly think that fucking scene is like a cinematic milestone. - Oh, there's the slow motion wrecking? - The slow motion wrecking. That was like- - I have no context for this shit, but it's fine. - It's amazing. The manga was like very, very like highly like received.

because it's amazing. But the animation got a lot of flack because it completely deviated from the original Manga art style. Like they basically, as Garnt said, it was very experimental. They use like rotoscoping animation. So they used real life actors to play them out and then basically like draw over it. So it looks really strange. Like it looks unlike any anime you've ever seen. But I think it worked.

for the story because it's a very realistically like rooted story and the actors are pretty good and like, yeah, it looked different. It didn't look like anime but I thought it was a really fucking cool show. - All right, so I'm gonna go through the top rated anime on my anime list and see how many of these shows- - Have good animation.

- Let's say how many of these shows don't have the bar of like really, really good animation. - Okay. - Is something else number one? - Yeah, "Free Run" is number one. "Free Run" is still number one. That definitely has banger animation. - That is great animation though. - "Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood", banger animation. "Steins;Gate".

- I still think- - I think the Steins;Gate animation was good for its time, but in retrospect, I think it's pretty average now. - I think it's good for its time, which is important, right? For the conversation. Because especially that one scene where Okabe fucking freaks out and everything goes into like the,

the pencil kind of like drawing style. That's all. - Oh yeah. - Do you remember that? - Yeah, I remember that. - And it was like, - It was very Evangelion. - That's all I heard in my head during that scene. All right, Gintama. - Yeah, that has good animation. - Yeah, banger animation.

- Attack on Titan, yes. - Yeah, obviously. - Fantastic. Hunter x Hunter. - That's pretty good. - Yeah, pretty good. - Hunter x Hunter doesn't have average animation. - It's pretty average now. - It's pretty good. - It's pretty damn fucking good. - The fight scenes were pretty fucking good. - I mean, it was definitely good for its time. - I fucking love the show. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I just don't remember the animation standing out much. - Yeah, but that's the kind of show where it's like you remember the story. - Yeah, yeah. - But it's still a good animation. - It's a good animation. - Bleach, yes. Okay, I thought it was Blood War. Probably the only one that's,

stands out to me from this is "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" which is all the way down to- - Yeah, but I think shows like "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" and "Steins Gate", yes, as highly praised as they are over the different eras of anime watches, I think viewers today will have a harder time getting into shows like that because they're so used to the quality of animation of shows like "Jesus Christ" and "Demon Slayer". - Yeah, even something like "Kaguya-sama" which is a romance anime that has banger anime.

- Yeah, it's great animation. - So what we've determined is yes. - Yes. - The more I go down the more I'm like- - I'm gonna change my answer from neutral to strongly agree. - All right, good. We spent nine hours on that one. Let's get to the next one. - All right. - Next one is, living in Japan is the same as it's portrayed in anime. - Well, I didn't grow up as a 12 year old here, so I- - I did grow up as a 12 year old here, so. - Well, yeah, I feel like my...

But I didn't go to school here, so that's different. Oh man, this is hard actually. Actually, you know what? I'm gonna change my answer. Okay. - Okay. - Ready? - Yep. - Three, two, one.

- Neutral. - Neutral. - Everyone neutral? - Well, I mean, I don't even think I can answer. Like I don't have any perspective. - Well, you have the perspective of living in Japan. - Living in here for four years. - Yeah, as a fucking foreign YouTuber, like not working in Japanese society. - Yeah, no, but like even just like your day to day living here, right? Like sure, we might all have jobs that are not the average Japanese lifestyle, but. - Yeah, but I'm not like a 12 year old.

And I'm also like swag on like that. No, I, this like, I don't know. - What does that even mean?

- The only anime character I've ever slight really related to is the guy from Golden Boy. 'Cause he likes to cycle and fuck hard bitch. I have no other, who else can I relate? He's literally the person I- - That's pretty bad, it's not gonna lie. - I have literally no other character that my life is even remotely relatable to.

- He cycles and loves milfs. - Actually, the scene I thought about was when he was like worshiping that toilet and then the bidet comes out. - Okay, yes, that part. - And then the bidet comes out. - And even he worked an office job. - That's true. - I have like, yeah, I've literally like, I feel like,

- Okay, okay, here's the question then. Here's the question. When it comes, okay, so obviously, you know, you haven't lived here, you know, like doing the average Japanese job or being Japanese or whatever, that's fine. But like, you know, I think what a lot of people want to experience, especially anime fans who come to Japan for the first time, want to try and see if,

is the same reality or not in Japan is like the vibe of Japan that anime brings to people, right? Like Japan anime has that very specific vibe when it's set in like a Japanese city or a Japanese countryside. And they come to Japan thinking or maybe hoping that they will achieve that same vibe in real life. Do you think it exists in real life? - I would say stonk disagree. - Stonk disagree? - I would disagree with that. - I would...

- I would strongly agree if we changed, if we just make the entire genre slice of life. - Every slice of life anime I've ever seen, I have experienced in some way, shape or form the same vibe. - As someone who grew up in the countryside where my grandma used to live,

the way that slice of life anime or any anime set in the countryside portrays the countryside of Japan is like one to one. - Yeah. - I think it is so fucking accurate. If you want that like kind of slice of life vibe, just go out into the middle of nowhere in Japan, go to any random village, you will get that vibe. In the city however,

- Completely different. - Yeah, completely different. - So that's why I said neutral. - Yeah, it very much is dependent on like the genre. Every slice of life, like I said, is 100% accurate minus the cute anime girls. - I would say 100% accurate. - It's pretty fucking close though. - From what I've experienced. - From what I've experienced, it's pretty close. - A lot of anime movies as well. - I love slice of life. Reminds me of my childhood. - Yeah, I mean, take out,

- I actually think anime is pretty accurate minus like the Otaku side of like the culture. Would you say? - Yeah, again, I think it depends on

how that otaku side is being portrayed in different shows, right? Like for instance, like when it came to like the otaku portrayal of like Japanese, the Japanese culture, like I think like shows like Lucky Star were pretty spot on with like how it portrayed it shit, you know? Shirobako for instance is like pretty spot on, especially when you ask like people who actually work in that industry. So I think it,

completely depends. Obviously there are some like portrayals of like Otaku culture that are just like, no, that shit only exists in Japan and only exists in anime rather. And you wouldn't find that shit in Japan, but it's hard. 'Cause like we're using all of anime.

- So compared to all of Japan, but there's so many caveats that I just like strongly agree to strongly disagree that it's hard to say exactly if it's the same or not. - Like there are certain cliches that we see in anime that I'm like, oh, this is why it's a cliche because like it's exactly the same vibe and exactly the same experience that you feel in Japan.

And then there are other things where a lot of like the weird shit in anime where of course, of course Japan's not going to be like that. - Yeah. - Of course. - I don't know, I've seen some weird shit. - Okay Connor, think back to when you first visited Japan.

- Yeah, it's totally different. It's totally different. - And like when you, you know, up until that point, your only real exposure to like Japan or maybe the thought you had about Japan is what you saw in anime. - I always think that like Japan feels like more closer to that slice of life vibe when you don't live here. 'Cause you have to deal with all the bullshit tax and the paperwork.

and the other worst parts about living a life. - Yeah, well, that's because you're an adult. - Yeah, I have to, you know, I- - If you came to Japan when you were like 12, you probably wouldn't have told that. - Yeah, bro, I mean like, and also I think I would love more kind of,

- How do I, how do I? I think there's a much more interesting side to Japan and like nightlife stuff as well that never really gets covered much in anime and stuff, which I think could be interesting. - I think it does though. Obviously, I don't think in mainstream anime, but this is more of like the niche kind of things. - Drops of God.

- Kind of. - No, that's more of a show. - Bartender. - That's more of a show. - Yeah, there's a lot of like bar anime that- - Well, they don't capture it. They don't capture the vibe. - I think it's because the vibe can be so varied. - That's true. - Yeah. - But you know, I think that like, it's such an interesting idea. And I think also to understand a country and a city, you need to understand

'cause I think this is a lot about people 'cause that's what they do when they relax, what people do when they can finally let loose. And I think that's an important side of life, an important side of people. And so that isn't really shown a lot in, or I think it's not reflected 'cause I think a lot of the people who make anime are the same kind of people who don't, they're not like the- - Go outside. - Well, I say maybe they don't procure the nightlife as much.

- Maybe 'cause they don't have the time. - But also, I mean, obviously I know there's some great manga that explore nightlife and stuff that are good. But I feel like there's this, but I sort of don't know how the fuck you would make an anime that can make a compelling story about nightlife. - Do you agree with what Miyazaki said then? - What? - Which is just like, I can't remember the exact quote. - It's like inbred, anime's inbred? - Well, I think the general vibe of his quote was that

- Oh, anime is inspired off other anime. - Yeah, as more as the anime industry has evolved, there is less filmmaking that is inspired by, I guess, like real life. - Oh, absolutely. Look at the fucking light novel industry right now. They're all clones of one another. And then that leads into anime adaptations. That's why you get so many shows that feel exactly the same as one another because they're all sucking off each other.

- That's why they're all incest. - It's all incest to us. - I always try to tell people, I'm like, man, the one thing that like is, I feel like is so important is just having some kind of experience, like doing something. And I think that like, you know, I think we're all, you know, we've traveled a lot. We all come from different backgrounds. We all, we've done a lot of weird shit and we live abroad. And I think we have inherently just a lot of weird experiences from that. And a lot of experiences that forced us to,

kind of have to grow up more. But you know, sometimes I talk to other like,

who are like really young or something. And they've done nothing their entire life but stream. And it's like, man, you don't have any like- - Experience. - Interesting stories. Your stories are all from the stream. Your entire life is on this thing. And I feel like you're almost robbing yourself of life and like having cool experiences and getting to have this fun. - Totally. - Especially if you were in a stable income position, you should go out, go out, have experiences. - Experiences are priceless, man. - Go and do things, people, have stories.

those experiences will allow you to bring that to your art or allow you to bring that to your life in whatever way, be it you improve your social ability, you can improve your work, you can improve your perspective on things. You can have an enriched vision on the world and life. - Yeah, totally agree. - And I think that,

that sometimes it does feel like, 'cause I'm watching anime or I'm watching this stuff and I feel like sometimes that's not there. And that's frustrating for me. 'Cause it's like, we're making stuff because we think this will sell well 'cause some big wig decided they're gonna fund this because they're like, ah yes, horse girls that ride.

then we bet on them. - Okay, let's do it. And it's like, okay, cool. It's like, all right, but that's like- - Hey, don't talk shit about- - Okay, I know, I'm sure. That shit makes more money than like every other anime can buy. - That's more of an interesting concept of anime than the past like couple years. - But I feel like there are a lot of anime that don't feel like this lived experience there. - No, totally not.

- Just call out the East guy genre. - Yeah, because again, they're all inspired from past works of that same genre because that's what a lot of these like authors and creators have like took inspiration. - I disagree with a lot of things that Miyazaki says, but man, he's swag. He is swag. - Oh dude, he tells it as it is. - Why are you saying that for everything now? - He's swag bro.

- Where did this come from? - It's just in my vocabulary. - We're like back in 2010, bro. - You caught it, 'cause he's just, everyone feels like he's so based when he's just smoking and he's like everything's shit and everyone's like, "It's so fucking based." It's like, yeah, anyone could say that, all right? Okay, first of all, but yeah, he does kind of say it good. - Yeah, he says some good things. - He does say, he does say, okay, yeah, he's a little mean to his son, but okay, everything else is- - Yeah, but that's based.

- Character building, am I right? - And I get this interviews, I saw it on TV where he was like, "Don't fucking talk to me in person if you see me." Something like that. Apparently he goes around and cleans his local area. He's like, "Don't fucking come up to me. Don't talk to me about my shit. Don't bother me while I'm cleaning." - Well, you know what? If I was his age and I was in the limelight for that long, I would say the same thing.

- Yeah, and I think that's, you know, back then when you're to, you know, I think people were forced to have a lot more experiences and forced to try other things and do other stuff. Whereas now I think it's a bit different. You can make an anime without ever having to leave your room. - But I also do think that whenever you have media from a country or a country

you know, a culture. It is represent, uh, representative of that culture. Yeah. Because, you know, you could ask the same question where it's just like, does living in, is living in America the same as it is portrayed in movies and TV shows? And a lot of parts are not. A lot of it is like exaggerated and everything like that. Like, but you know, you look at something like, you know, let's say Breaking Bad and not everyone is going to become a meth, like a fucking meth Lord and everything like that. But a lot of them,

- A lot of the wish. - But you look at the characters and you look at like the day-to-day life of like Walter and it is very reminiscent of some real people, a lot of real people that you see in just suburban America. And I think inevitably it's fiction. So a lot of things are going to be exaggerated but the fiction a lot of times has a baseline that it is based

- But like, certainly like the "Legend of the Galactic Heroes," which I haven't watched, but I assume it's a very good political drama. - Yes. - I feel like you cannot write a story like that without really understanding like people.

- Oh, totally. - And to do that, you need to go out and talk to people. Like to write a really compelling political drama, you need to understand humans and how we work. And that's something that you just have to have. - Yeah, inspiration needs to come from so many different points and it all just accumulatively come together to create this one unique thing. Like you can't create something new out of something that has already existed, unless you're a fucking genius.

not everyone who writes a light novel or a manga or an anime is a genius. - I thought we'd be done with this question in like two minutes. So I'm impressed that we managed to get this much conversation. - I think there's a lot of talking points. - I think it's an interesting topic. - I don't wanna be like, when I talk about stuff like this, I'm not trying to be like a guy like, "Fucking people are trying to leave the house. They're all fucking needs. They're all losers." That's not what I'm trying to get at. I'm just like, I feel like in general though- - Come on man, where's your swag? Just say it. - Just get some swag. - We're all thinking it.

But people do just, you know, the lifestyle here is changing. People are becoming more endorsed as we are in the Western world as well. But I feel like a bit more accelerated here. It's a bit more accepted here as well, I think. So I think we're seeing that in our media. Yeah, it's not seen as much of an issue here. Generally.

I think the ones, the stories that find success are, you know, you get a feel that the author has something to say in an experience they want to relay. - Yeah, totally. - You can, I, you know, I watch a lot of Isekai, so I know that a lot of Isekai, they're not trying to say anything. It's turn your brain off and it's the same formula. And these characters are one dimensional. Here is this character archetype that I've seen many times before. - It's a cash crab riding a wave. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is something you can make money off of.

- Which is like, you know what? Respect, get the bag bro. - But it's not something that I'm ever going to recommend to my mates to be like, yo, this one, this one actually- - Yo, smartphone in another world? - Yeah. - All right. - All right, next one. - Going on to the next question. - All right, next statement. Watching adult content is unhealthy. - Yeah, okay. This fucking sucks, this pen.

Pens on how yeah, I'm using your pen. I don't know I'm just this is a marker, bro. It's no swag. I

- Stop saying that. - I just love swag. - Why? When did you put that in your vocabulary? - I used it ironically, but now I'm not sure. - This is like when kids today rediscover cassette tapes. They're just like, "Oh, this is a cool thing I can say or do." - Cassette tape. - Cassette tape. Should I start saying, "Oh, that's fat with a P-H." - That's gnarly, dude. - If you had the right oomph with it, I think it would work.

- All right, I'm ready. - All right, ready? Three. - Oh yeah, sorry. - You know cassette tapes have gone up in sales in the past couple of years? - I believe it. - 'Cause kids are like rediscovering cassette tapes now. That's scary. - Well, my- - When a VCR is gonna go off in sales. - Until like very recently, my brother's car had a cassette player and he had that like MP3 to cassette thing. It seemed like really cool technology actually. - That's pretty swag. - That is actually kind of swag, I want that.

- All right. - How the fuck do you convert tape to, that's so interesting. - It's cool technology. - All right. - All right, ready? - All right. - Three, two, one. - Three, two, one. - Neutral. - Oh, perfect. We all finally have a different opinion. - Oh, cool. - Oh, cool. - I'm on the agree side. - You're on the agree side, okay. - I think mine's just copium, to be honest. - You think so? - Well, I'm gonna try my best. - You know, I have no idea

- I have no evidence at all other than perfectly like I make it the fuck up. So it does feel weird about it. - Why is that? Is it like, but like, do you feel shame? - No, I feel like I should be able to exist without it. - Okay. But is it unhealthy? Is it deteriorating to your health? - I think,

I think I have a pretty okay relationship with it. I think I consume it on a normal basis, but normal is subjective to everyone. But I definitely know people. And I also think that we are, people are a little too comfortable

with it I think at times. - Right. - I was just hearing, we fucking talking about jacking off to hentai. - Yeah. - Which I'm okay with it 'cause I think it's whatever. Like I think it's pretty obvious that- - Yeah, I mean we're not the only ones, it's fine. - Yeah, but I do think that it is one of those things, I feel like it would be like, it's like coffee. It's like my relationship with coffee. It's like it's totally, coffee is a totally healthy thing in moderation as are many things. - Yes. - But it could easily go,

I find myself, I feel like sometimes I'm like, I could definitely go a bit much to this. - That's why I say neutral because I think like just watching it and consuming it at like what you think or what society thinks is at a healthy rate. I think watching it in general, there's nothing wrong with, obviously depends on the contents of what kind of adult content it is. But I think, we've seen many examples in the past of people falling into like an obsession with it and being totally dependent on it.

and then ruining their lives, ruining relationships, all that kind of stuff. So I think, that's why I said neutral. I think watching adult content is fine in moderation, but I think it's also just, it's fine to watch. Like I think, you know, people who go their entire lives being like, oh, we should just like get rid of all adult content because of X, Y, Z reasons. I think it's just kind of like overreacting to be honest. I think the existence of it, there is nothing wrong with. It's just all dependent on how,

one consumes it and how often they consume it. - Like adult content has existed since the beginning of humanity, I think. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, I mean. - I mean, there's those like carvings of like women, right? - Yeah, I think it used to be. - Stone age people used to carve out. - Constitutes first, I think. That was the go-to normally.

- Well, yeah, I mean, that is adult content. - That is also adult content. Since the beginning of humanity, humans have learned that they are just horny as fuck. And they are going to find a way to satisfy that craving, you know, whether it be via a healthy means or an unhealthy means or fucking,

I don't know, breaking the fucking law. This is an issue that has existed since the beginning of humanity. - I think one thing that's tough about it is that because unlike let's say coffee,

I can talk to you about how many coffees I have a day or how many coffee I drink. There's a bit of shame involved with watching adult content. - Yeah, but that's just because that's the social norm. - Yeah, yeah, but like- - It's a social construct, Connor. - I know, I know, to expand on that, it's like, okay, like I might not talk to you about how many times I watch porn a week, right? - Right. - Right. - 'Cause I might be like self-conscious about it. - Yeah. - And what if you're like, you're like watching, you're like jacking off three times a day to porn. I'm like, okay, that's,

I always say it's a little too much. - Right. - And then, but we don't know that. You might think that's a normal amount. You're like, well, fuck it's two o'clock. - Yeah, I think again, it's like this concept of it being unhealthy is purely based on the fact that we can't be as open about adult content. Well, I mean, maybe nowadays we can more often because things like OnlyFans and the porn industry is just becoming so much larger and larger that you see it more often in everyday life. - I hate to see it all the time.

- Yeah. - On Twitter, fuck me. Pussy in bio? Shut the fuck up. I don't wanna know. Stop. Blast. - I miss the days when I could scroll on my Twitter and it would just be the feeds and the lewds that I wanted to watch. Now you see a tweet, you see a random tweet, look at the replies, like, "Come to my OnlyFans." Oh, and you just see straight up porn. - Yeah, but I do feel like I see way more just porn on Twitter now and just on other platforms. I'm like, okay, like I...

- I used to think like, oh nice, when it would pop up occasionally. - Yeah. - Like a great- - And now it's just a norm. - Yeah. - Now I'm just like, okay, this is kind of, I don't like that. Can we stop this? - Yeah. - I mean, I think the only big change is just the amount and the ease of access and the exposure we have to adult content. - Yeah. - Which, you know, I think obviously with every statement that comes here, anything can be unhealthy if you,

just consume way too much of it. With most things it comes in moderation. - Also, it might be considered unhealthy if for example, you're exposed to it at like a really, really young age. - Yeah, I think people are definitely watching it way too young now. - Oh, totally, totally. - It's crazy to me that like, we had that conversation when we were talking about like when we first jacked off, we were like, what were we like 13, 14? - Something like that. - I was playing Halo or something. People are watching porn at like 11 now.

- What the fuck? You should not be concerned with such things. - Like fucking 10 year olds go on to Twitch and like, you know, see like some pretty like adult content then maybe not porn straight up, but like pretty adult shit for what you should be watching at that age. I think it is unhealthy for someone that young to be overexposed to that kind of a content at such an early age. But like,

- I don't know, man. If a fucking 22 year old wants to like go Jack off twice a day, then- - Do you remember the very first time you felt horny or like- - Or like felt like a chemical reaction, be like, "Ooh, what's that?" - Are you asking the first time I cracked a fat? - I think you have no concept of knowing what it is then. You have no idea. - Dude, when I first cracked a fat, I didn't know what the fuck was happening. - Yeah, you have no idea. You're just like, "What?" - I'm like, "Oh, something's happening to my wee wee." - Do you remember where it happened though?

- I think it was, where was I? I think I was- - Was it during like a movie or something? - No, I was, oh yeah, you know what? It might've been during a movie. - I think mine was American Pie. My cousin was watching American Pie and I was just like, what is- - It did play on TV all the time.

all the time. - That did. And I was just like, what is this funny movie about people drinking? Oh, there's a, is that what a girl looks like when she's not wearing a top? - I think the one unrealistic, the one big problem is just the unrealistic expectations that people do then form. - Yes. - They have a relationship. I think that is categorically unhealthy. - Yeah. - People think that like, hey, you gotta be like,

- Well, I mean like even looking to like the whole meme, we were memeing about like looks maxing and mewing. People legitimately stretching their penis and doing stuff to like, have you seen this? People are doing this like insane penis stretching things because they think people- - I need an explanation. - People have been, think online, genuinely believe that like their worth as a man or like a dude is the length of their penis. Obviously we've had this for decades. - Yes, of course. - But I feel like it's peak bad now.

- Is it because they see Johnny Sins and they're like, why is my peepee not that big? - Yeah, you can go and watch that and then you get recommended the video. And your TikTok, some guy's like, here's four ways to stretch your dick and make it bigger. And then, you know, if you're an impressionable person, you're gonna believe that you need to do this. - So if you saw this statement, let's say 15 years ago, would you have had the same answer?

- I think I still would, yeah. I still think that it's very easy to perform an addiction and it is a very bad addiction 'cause it not only does it, if you're addicted to coffee, okay, yeah, you might get a migraine when you quit or something like that. It's like, hey, you can actually ruin your relationships or- - You can ruin friendships. - You can ruin friendships. This is like a, and I think it's a very, 'cause it's like funny to call it a porn addiction, but I think it's a pretty fucking serious problem if you do have an addiction to it. - Totally. - That does handicap all of your relationships, especially romantic ones.

And I just think that it's been, it's just like gasoline on the fire with like TikTok and YouTube that have allowed men to then think like, like there was this, I saw this critical video where he's talking about it. Dudes were taking mad chemical cocktails and eating weird shit to try and get their loads to go farther. Because that's what they think that like,

- That is impressive. And it's like- - I mean, it is pretty impressive. - Yeah, but like, this is the problem. People think that this is all- - In my mind- - All the stems, 'cause then you watch everything you jack off to, you see a dude who fucking shoots a fucking giant one. And it's like, bro,

Most of us whimper, most of it's a little- - Not gonna lie, if one of you or any of my guy's friends came up to me and was like, "Yeah, I was jacking off the other day, it fucking hit the ceiling." I'd be like, "That's pretty swag." - That's what I mean. - That's what you mean like a devil man cry baby. - Yeah, like that scene in Devil Man Cry Baby, it's just like a constant on the ceiling. - And I think there's a safe way we can discuss that, but I think there's also an equally terrible way to- - All right, so if you agree with this then, that watching adult content-

- Is unhealthy. - Yeah. - Does that mean you're gonna stop doing it? - No, fuck no. - So- - Well, same way if you like, is drinking bad for you? - Like that, you know what I mean? Like obviously yes. - Yeah. - But I'm gonna fucking do it 'cause I am aware that I am able, I am comfortable in my ability to consume it in a healthy way. - Yeah, control it. - Yeah. - You know, but I think that unfortunately there is a lot of people out there who don't have that capacity, I think.

- I think it's also, do you think Mormonism is the way to go then? - No, I don't. - I don't wanna soak. - This is the problem, Garnt. I have no good answer for this. What, make porn exclusively ugly people? Make ugly bastard real? - He just liked me for real. - If my sex life was a porno, we'd be getting trailers nonstop. We wouldn't get the full thing. - Yeah, because I think on the other hand, where it's just like, if adult content did not exist at all,

I think people would find, people are going to find a way to satisfy their cravings in one way or another. - In most likely unlawful ways. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think that obviously in excess, it's going to be unhealthy. It is, but I think in a way our minds are just, a lot of our minds, most of our minds are just wired in a certain way that we have a craving and adult content.

is in a way to satisfy that craving. The bad thing is not the existence of adult content, it's just the ease of access and just the amount of adult content that is out there at this very moment. Because I think, I don't think anyone was having this conversation 10, 15 years ago. We weren't having this conversation, but now with so many different,

ways and so many different websites like OnlyFans that I guess prey on a certain type of like

a certain type of loneliness and a certain type of craving that people have. It just makes it so much, it just turns the problem into a completely different problem that we've had like 10, 15 years ago. - Loneliness is a big problem. - Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. - I think we'll fully understand the impacts of all of this. - I think the bottom line is that like adult content is as unhealthy as you make it to be.

- 100%. - If you think you're consuming it at an unhealthy rate, then it's probably unhealthy for you. Like physically and mentally and everything as you are as a person. But if you understand that and you catch that early on and you can consume it and you want to continue consuming it, then there are healthy ways to do it that won't fucking ruin your life. Same with alcohol, same with any like,

obsession thing like that, that is inherently unhealthy for you. I think there are healthy ways to do it. So that's why I said neutral. - All right. - It's good discussion. - Next one. - Look at us. - Okay, let's just skip this one. - Let's just skip this one. - Let's skip this one. All bread tastes the same. We know the answer. - Gauntlet idiot. - Gauntlet idiot. Yeah, let's go. Next one. Even if Trash Taste wasn't created, we would be this close.

- How would you feel if one of us just were strongly disagreeing? That's the end of the podcast right there. - Even if trash taste wasn't created. - Trying to see if I can bring some nuance to this. - Yeah. - Even if trashed, we would still be this close. - Hmm. - Hmm.

- Oh, this is, there's so many scenarios I could imagine in my head. - Yeah. - Without trash. 'Cause like, how can you imagine the timeline without trash test? - Yeah, that's I think the hardest thing here. All right. - Okay, you know what actually, I'm gonna, okay. - All right, I've put down my answer. - Okay.

- All right, okay. - All right. - Ready, two, one. - I said disagree. - Oh, we all said disagree. - Were we all trying to go for spicy answers? - No, I genuinely think because, right?

In a hypothetical world where Trash Taste didn't exist, right? We all are just working on our own shit, like on our own channels, right? And you know, if there's one thing I've learned, you know, getting older year by year is that it gets more and more, and with the amount of work that we put in as well, it gets more and more difficult to like keep in touch with adult friends, even if you live in the same vicinity or the same country or same town, whatever.

So the fact that we are almost given an opportunity to meet each other every week or every other week and talk for hours and hours on, I mean, we just this channel alone, there's like over 400 fucking hours of us talking about shit. Right. And I just don't think that with our busy schedules with our own individual shit,

that we would find the time to be able to do that. And just the fact that the show has given us so many opportunities to talk about so many different topics that maybe we never imagined talking about. Like, when was the first time you jacked off? Like, I'm sure it will come up in like, you know, if we went to like an Izakaya one night and we got drunk enough, sure, it might be a conversation that might come up. But I think just the fact that this show has given us the opportunity to talk about so many different things,

through so many different perspectives and layers has grown our relationship further than without it. That's my answer. - That's a good answer. - I also disagree 'cause it could be even closer. - I was going to say that. I was going to say that. - I think that there's a chance that- - I think we could have been even closer. - Really? - I think there's a world where we could be closer 'cause we don't have to worry about work stuff. - Right. - I'm like, bro, okay, okay.

- I think there's both sides of this argument. - There's both sides of the argument. - I think there's also a world where we could just not be friends. - Yeah. - Or hang out less. - Joe, Joe. When was the last time we had a boys night? - Yeah, that's true. We haven't had a boys night in a while. - We haven't had a boys night in a while, man.

- That's the point. - Exactly. - But like the thing is, the thing I've noticed- - But that's, I've learned this is independent from Trash Taste. - No, no, it is not, it is not. - We went skiing and you were like, "I gotta take care of family." No, you don't. Boys are the family, come on, what are you talking about? Come with us. - You're like, "Shit, you're right." - I'm kidding, I'm kidding. - Damn. - Oh no, but,

- I think there's definitely a difference on like catching up on Trash Taste and catching up like on IRL. - Yeah, of course. - But I feel like there is an inkling where it's just like, I know what you boys are up to because we talk every week and we talk and we see each other at least once a week on Trash Taste. And I feel like sometimes I'm like, damn,

maybe we should just hang out more off camera as well. - We've been saying this for years now and it's happened maybe like twice. - But that's the thing, right? I think it's because we have like the safety nets of, hey, we already see each other each and every week, especially in times when we have like,

a lot of backlog. I'm like, okay, I just want to go like a week without seeing the boys for a bit, but without trash taste, maybe without that excuse of we already see each other every week, we would actually schedule more. - Make more points to hang out. - Make more points to hang out and stuff like that. So who knows? - Yeah, that's true.

- Both answers baby, both answers. - Yeah, I think both sides are valid and- - Genuinely Joey, we would have this conversation jacking off at an Issa guy. - Doesn't matter if the captain's here or not, man. That's true, that's true. I think bottom line, the one thing we found out about this argument is that we need to have a boy's side. - Yeah, we do. - Sooner rather than later, please. - Yeah. - All right, let's go next statement. - Next one.

- Ooh, I am scared of falling off as a creator. - Hmm. - Ooh, this is contentious. - Why is it Comic Sans? - Yeah, why the italic falling off? - Yeah. - Oh man. - I'm scared of falling off as a creator. - Yeah. I got my answer. - I could have an answer. - Oh shit, hold on.

- Oh, everything tastes better out of a cup, sippy cup. - Game of Sop, sippy cup. - Am I scared of falling off as a creator? That's a great question. Yeah. - There's a lot of nuances to this, I feel. Like how do you define scared or how do you define as falling off?

- Oh, Joey, are you sunsetting boys? Are you sunsetting Garnt? - What does that mean? - Well, you know, in the sunset, it's going down slowly. That's when you can be like, oh, my career is sunsetting. Like I'm going off into the sunset. Like I'm dialing it down. - Are you scared of sunsetting as a creator? - Sunsetting is deliberate. - Sunsetting sounds better. - It sounds more deliberate. Falling off to me is like,

- A very quick, well, it's a falling off. You fall off. It's a quick decline. - Falling off is a Sunny V2 video. - Well, he fell off too. Okay, so I actually need a moment to think, 'cause I wanna make a compelling argument either way. - Okay. - Okay, you know what? I'm gonna go, you know what? No, give me the eraser. Give me the good one. This one's shit. It's pissing me off. We only have one? We had like five of these. - No, they're all over there. - Oh, fuck sake. - There's one over there.

- There's a massive one over there. - Okay, all right. Sure, let's do it. - Okay, three, two, one. Neutral. - Agree. - I had neutral initially and I changed to agree. - Okay, why'd you change to agree? - I want a job.

- I do want a job. - I want a job. - I would like to get a house and I'm working on it. We're getting there. - Okay. - We're getting there. But I don't wanna suddenly have to be like, all right, well- - I like my job. - Shit. - I do like my job too. I don't...

- I'm scared of falling off can be interpreted in two ways. I'm scared of losing my job and career, which I think is very valid. - That's valid. - Which everyone should have. - Totally. - Anyone who has a good career should be scared of losing it. - Totally. - The second one is like- - I'm scared of being irrelevant. - I'm scared of being irrelevant. - And not talked about. - Yeah, yeah, or that like,

it is something that you are like actively fearing. Like I don't, I don't wake up every day and think I'm scared of this. - This is the day. - It's like not a concern. Like I don't worry about it.

I'm not really bothered by it. I don't think about it at all. I'm pretty comfortable. I don't like, you know, I think back when we had like one YouTube channel each, it was definitely a lot more concern because we were making one type of content. And if our channel got like three copyright strikes, which all my whole entire backlog got striked, which it did, you know, that's like a,

that's not falling off necessarily. - That's not falling off. - No, but like- - That's just getting eradicated. - But like this, I felt like at that stage in our careers, there was a lot more concern of just any kind of external factor that would possibly get in the way, be it drama, be it a copyright strike. I think there's a lot more. Now I feel that like we have Trash Taste, we do streaming, we can do that, we do live shows. We're very diverse creators now. I think that's fair to say. And so I think,

of falling off. Not really. Not really concerned about that. I feel like I'm, I'm, I'm,

I know how to make stuff. - Yeah. - And I feel like I'm- - But you still said agree, even though you're not scared of it. - Yeah, you still said agree. - Well, I think if you're looking at it from the relevant thing, I think, yeah, there is that underlying ego of like, yeah, of course I wanna be, I still want people to watch my things. I don't wanna be, you know. Imagine you turn up to work next week and I'm like, Joey, you do the, guess what, Joey, you just do the exact same job for half the pay and half of the accolades and half of the praise. It's like, oh.

- Why? - I don't know, that's fine. I think because there is like a minimum baseline that I would like to make. And if I get to, if I,

- Get to do exactly what I'm doing and meet that minimum baseline for me to be comfortable as I'm completely fine, like falling off, you know? - Yeah, I say neutral because yeah, obviously as you said, like I love this job. I love what I do.

and I'm able to live off of it, which is fucking fantastic. But at the end of the day, like if for example, I do fall off or I become irrelevant, which is going to happen to every creator eventually, whether we like it or not, that's just how this industry works. Then you always find a way.

I think you always find a way you'll be, I'll be able to use the skills that I have accumulated. Maybe the connections I've accumulated all of the know-hows of this industry to figure out another way of making money that may not necessarily be exactly the same as what I was currently doing, but maybe it might be adjacent to that or might, you know,

be a stepping stone off of that. So that's why I'm like, I'm not scared of falling off 'cause it's going to happen eventually. But as you said, like I'm not waking up every day just being like, oh fuck boys, this is the day. This is the day I'm gone. - I would like to quit on my own terms if I was to quit. - Yeah, yeah. - I'd like to be under my own control. - I wanna go out with a bang, not a fizzle, you know? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I agree. - I think I'm more scared of,

what I do. If I get to a point where I'm just like,

"I don't wanna make this video, man." Or, "I don't wanna do this video." That's what I'm more scared of than falling off as a creator. 'Cause in that sense, I have fallen off as a creator in my head, 'cause that means I don't think I'm making good shit. I have shit that I'm proud of and shit that I wanna share. - You don't wanna get to the point where you're being a creator as an obligation. - But that's why I'm so addicted to video games. And I think I have been my whole life. I think I'm gonna be in this addiction my entire life.

Like I'm actually addicted to video games, I think. - Is it unhealthy? - Probably, I mean, but I get paid to play them. So it's like, but like, I think it's, and I have it even so good that I can like, as a creator, I'm not concerned with what games I play. Like I know other creators are like, I love gaming, but I can only play this game on stream. Otherwise I don't have viewers over there. It's like, I'm very fortunate. I can play fucking Final Fantasy VII.

- The original and stream it all along. - By your own argument, would you quit what you're doing if you got paid half of what you're getting paid now? - Fuck no. - Exactly. - I'm so addicted to video games. - Exactly. It doesn't change the fact that you still do that shit even if you weren't getting exactly what you're getting paid now. - I structure my content around being able to play video games for as long as possible.

I'm like, oh God, no guys, I have to play Final Fantasy for three days in a row without doing anything else. Oh no. - I mean, I'd do that without getting pissed. - To me, I really, really, really, really love

sharing that gaming experience. And like, you know, even if obviously it would suck to be doing it for, you know, when you're doing it and you get paid a certain amount, it sucks if you just get paid less. 'Cause if you're a fucking human, obviously if I'm getting paid something, I would like to get keep getting paid that.

I absolutely am just addicted to gaming. - Yeah. - But also it's just like Joey said, I think everyone falls off eventually. - Yeah. - Also, I think it was Lily Pichu when she came on a podcast, she said something that I think is also very true where sometimes relevancy, it comes in waves. - Yeah, it does.

we live in an age of the internet where you might have an on year, you might have an off year, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's like a complete downhill spiral.

I see a lot of creators like panicking because every year they need to one up the previous year. And sometimes their view stopped growing as organically as it used to. And then they plateau and then they start panicking because they're like, oh my God, this is it. This is the start of my downfall. And it's like most, the way I see about the way I think about it now is just like, all you need to do is reach a stable point. You might, you can, you might rise, you might fall, but- - Well the hardest thing is being stable. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - For most people, I think having a stable,

stable everything is the most important. 'Cause think about, hey Garnt, you wanna get a mortgage tomorrow? How much money do you make a month? - Yeah. - Well, actually it's funny that it actually varies really. It depends which cut, which what drop is coming out. - I hate it when my accountant asked that question. I'm just like, what the fuck am I supposed to say? - These are genuine like things that like, I think a lot of people, it's easy to have a blow up as a creator. Well not easy, but easier to have a blow up as a creator than to maintain that blow up for,

And these are things that you don't realize not having consistency comes back to bite you in every capacity in your life. Like literally just trying to get like a living situation. If you want to pay rent, how much rent do I pay? Oh, next month I actually earned a third of what I earned this month. So now I signed up to something that was too expensive. Oh, I went for something that was smaller. Oh, but now I'm making triple what I was making actually. And I actually messed up. I should have really got something a little bigger that accommodated my needs and what I'm making right now. So like,

there's different aspects to it that are challenges that come involved. And I think that maintaining it is the most important thing. And obviously I think we've all been very fortunate in that we've managed to maintain it for a few years and Trash Taste, which we've managed to maintain for nearly four years now, which is fucked. - Yeah, it's fucking scary, isn't it?

- That is scary. - Yeah. - But also cool. I think it's awesome. Like I love- - Would you say it's swag? - It's swag as fuck, dude. Isn't it sick that we've managed to maintain this pod for four years? - Yeah, I mean, we're approaching 200 episodes. - Like in an age where people like don't, like everything is so fleeting and everything is so momentary that we can, we are able to create something that people engage with for so long. Like I think that's special. Like that's so amazing. Like, and we appreciate you guys. - Thanks guys. - Really, really. I think it's, what an honor.

- Genuinely, like two hours a week, holy fuck. - How do we do it? - I don't know. - Can I get my coffee please? - Oh no. - Oh. - It doesn't come to negative effect on the coffee drinking experience. - Cracked. - Oh, we're about to see a splash.

- Now you gotta do like a mega stick. - Yeah, I can do the gaunt. - Side of the mouth. - Okay. - Okay, this is kind of relating to the last one. YouTube will be my job forever. - Well, you just mentioned, well actually we should put our answers down first. - Yeah. - Let's put our answers down first. - Let's put our answers down. - Yep. - I'm interested to see what you guys will say. 'Cause I think you guys already know my answer.

- All right, we're ready to go. - Three, two, one. - Three, two, one. - Disagree. - Oh, you said strong? - Strong disagree. - Wow. - I thought you would have gone the other side considering how much you're addicted to making content. - I love making content, but I think that like,

- I mean, I don't know the range upon which I want to do this for. - Sure. - Right? 'Cause like- - I don't think anyone does. - No, I don't know. Like, right. Like I feel like I've been doing this a long time and when I'm, so you're six years older than me, right? - Yeah. - So when I reach your age, I'll have been doing this for like,

- As long as I have been doing it. - Yeah. Which is a long time. - Which is how long I've been doing it. - Long time. And I don't know how I'm gonna feel when I get to that age or when I get to 20 years of doing it or 25 years of doing it. - I mean, I'm approaching 11 years. So it's definitely changed. - What I do know is that I love doing this and I love talking about it and I love helping other people do it as well. So I think, you know, and I,

I could see myself when I'm like 40, some whatever. I'm like, all right, I'm packing it up now. I want to help someone else who is very aspiring or who's great fucking potential and just help them out more. - Would the answer change if YouTube will be my job forever? YouTube doesn't necessarily mean YouTuber. What about the industry of like YouTube

- Yeah, I think I'll be in the industry. I think I like entertainment too much. - So you'll be in a YouTube adjacent job. - Yeah, yeah. - Or a content creator adjacent. - Yeah, if that was the one. - With a bit of production or like. - I think the amount of,

- I don't think the online space and the online entertainment industry is going anywhere. And the amount of experience that we've accumulated over the past years is I think invaluable. - I'm gonna write a book about it. - Very valuable. So if it was just generally being in the YouTube's face and YouTube sphere, I think I would disagree. I think I would agree. I think YouTube will be my job for a very, very long time. What the fuck am I gonna do? Am I gonna go back into engineering?

- Get back to the BBC. - Yeah, get back to the BBC, hello. - Remember me. - Ultimately, what do we have years of experiencing? Like content, YouTube and navigating all of that. And so I think that like we, you know, I think that's something that I would be, I also like, I almost look forward to, like I look forward to when I can kind of be like help focus on someone else and have their- - I actually have- - I'm pumped. - I actually get more excited helping someone else than actually doing like my own shit. - Yeah. - Like whenever- - I'm gonna say it's a little off.

Like whenever I give Sydney advice on her channel and I'm like, Sydney, you should do this video. And then it blows up. I'm like, yes. - I'm the GOAT. - That's why he's the GOAT. - I'm so proud of me. - And you Sydney. But yeah, I think I'm gonna be in the YouTube sphere for a very, very long time. - Yeah, totally. - Even once I settle down and shit.

- Yes, totally. - So you ain't seen the last of me, even if it's- - I like making things too much and being part of things. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, okay, that was interesting. I thought we would have had very different perspectives. - You don't think you will be, Joey? You're gonna- - I think I will, but the thing is like, I like doing so many different things that like is not just like YouTube related. I mean like, you know, with the clothing stuff, like yeah, sure, it's a completely different industry, but at the same time, you know,

we use a lot of like social media and stuff like that to promote the brand. And that's a skill that I acquired through doing YouTube and just being a content creator online. So I think like it might not necessarily be exactly like YouTube adjacent, but I definitely will be in a job that uses the skills that I learned being a YouTuber for sure. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it might get to the point where like,

I'm managing the next generation of YouTubers, who the fuck knows? But like, or might be in like a content producer role or something, I don't know. But yeah, I think eventually I'm gonna get to the point- - Do you ever give your kids YouTube advice? - Fuck no. I'm not letting my kid be YouTuber, are you kidding me? - You wouldn't? - No. - I would prefer them not be YouTuber. - I would prefer that, I'd rather them be an engineer at the BBC. I'm like, oh, thank God. At least one of us turned out okay. Why, would you let your kid be a YouTuber?

- Depends on the age. - Okay, if they came up to you at the age, okay, they just graduated high school, right? And they're about to enter college. And then they went, "Dad, I wanna do what you did in college. And I wanna start a YouTube channel." I'd be like, "Show me your stats." - Give me those analytics, baby. - I think like, if Mike had really wanted to start making YouTube videos,

- I think I'd help him out. - Yeah. - I'd try and like, I'd help him in a way that is like not, I wouldn't do it for him. I'd be like, what do you want to do? Like let's try and, I'd support him. 'Cause I think that ultimately like having those skills of making stuff or being able to use software, having to deal with the recording software, having to face those challenges early on is pretty good thing. - Yeah. - That kind of skills are useful. So I think I'd be supportive, but I'm almost thankful that I know this stuff. 'Cause I'd be like, all right, I can make sure you're not posting cringe.

or that you're not posting anything that's like- - Your first video is gonna be a banger thanks to your dad. - Or like not posting anything bad about yourself. I think that like- - I'll be supportive. I'll change my channel name to Big Guck and then they can be Lil Guck.

- It sounds too close to big cock. - Yeah, little cock. - Little cock and big cock. - Lil Gawk also just sounds like a really shit SoundCloud rapper. - Lil Gawk, Lil Gawk on the mic. - Hey yo, we got a new single from Lil Gawk. - All right. - Let's move on to the next question. - All right, let's check out the next one. - I am happy with how I look. - Rather a deep question. - All right, let's have a think, shall we?

- What would Miyazaki write? That's what I'm gonna write. Give me a cigarette. - He would say, "I haven't looked at a mirror in four years." - I let my art speak for itself. - Yeah. My art is my looks. - Strongly agree. Thank you very much. - All right, we all ready to answer? - All right. - All right. - All right. - Three, two, one.

- I'm pretty happy with how I look. - I'm pretty happy. I'm more concerned with maintaining than this hair,

- I'm more concerned with just keeping the status quo than trying to improve necessarily. So I'm pretty happy with how I look. - Which is a pretty daunting task. - Which is tough 'cause when you- - Gravity always wins. - When you eat and drink like I do, it's a little bit of a challenge. - I'll ask you in six years, Connor, when you're my age. - You're so fat, you have Asian genes, okay? I'm handicapped. - Connor's aging at the speed of white. - Okay, fine, all right.

- A little too real there, Joey. - That's all right, it's half of me. - Generally, I'm happy with how I look, but I also can, I mean, it's such a loaded thing to talk about. - Yeah, because it's like, it's kind of like asking the question, what do you rate yourself out of 10 right now? - I think I might.

- That's not eight out of 10. - I'm not concerned with how other people perceive me. - It's more about self satisfaction. - I feel like I like, when I see my face, I'm like, that's all right, my bad. - I am content with how I look. Problem is I think I've always been content with how I look. That's the issue. That's been the issue my entire life where I've been content with how I looked and I could do more to improve

- I could do more. - I could do more. My hair is like really long right now because I have just been really lazy to get a haircut for the past three months. - That's not long bro. - That's quite long for him. - This is so long for me. - I had Jesus hair, don't talk to me. - Yours is very short for you. - That was long. - Bro, I could go like full hentai. - This is long for me too. - I can go full like hentai protagonist look if I didn't like gel this up. - Oh my God. - That's like goes like.

- Next episode, next episode you need to do that. - That's the vibe bro. - The emo looks coming back. - Yeah. But at the end of the day, I'm also a married man and the only person I want to look better for is Sydney. And if I feel like I'm getting,

if I feel like I wanna improve my looks, it's because I wanna give something to my girl, man. I wanna make my girl excited again, man. That's all I'm saying. - Well, you better stop mewing. - I'm a mew just for you, Sidney. - Yeah, I mean, I sympathize greatly with people who, I think even if you're attractive or not, but that feel like they're not, 'cause that is just,

- It's always the hardest thing to ever, it's easy to everyone else to think that you look good or look okay, but it's impossible to convince yourself if you really don't feel like you are. And it is tough and the extent that people go to sometimes to chase that, to looking better feeling is scary.

Only exaggerated obviously by social media, yada, yada, yada. You all know what I'm gonna say. - On social media, everyone is ugly according to everyone. - I open Instagram like, wow, everyone is a fucking 10. It's like some people are like- - Yeah, but then you go to the comment section and there's a bunch of just like salty guys and girls just being like, "She's not even that hot."

And I'm just like, all right, well that's just your problem. - There's one subreddit where they rate people and they're like, you're a six and it's like the most beautiful woman ever and they explain why. And it's like, what the heck? - That's just sad. I did not know that existed, but I'm not surprised that exists. - It's a tough one 'cause I think that we obviously were very, it's also, I think that, I don't know, we fucking watch anime. So I think,

- Speak for yourself. - We're chilling, we're chilling. - Yeah, but how important do you think looks are? - I think it doesn't matter. - Depends on the context, I feel. - It doesn't matter how important you think they are. I think unfortunately they are very important. - They are important. - Yeah, it depends on the context. Like I think, you know, it depends what kind of relationship you wanna pursue with that person, right? Like, you know, there's a lot of people online, especially as a result of like social media that like,

a lot of people look at a guy or a girl and think like, oh yeah, wow, they're so fucking hot. I don't care what their personality is like, I'm sure they'd be great to hang out with. But then you ask people, you know, 20, 30 years ago, and a lot of people are just like, I just like, you know, their personality. You know, I value their personality. Sure, looks is important, but for me, it's maybe it's just the cherry on top. - I don't know, because I think we all have the privilege of just not being ugly, you know?

- Out of context, man. - We have the privilege of not being ugly. - Look, I am not the best looking guy in the world, right? But I feel lucky that I am just like, my looks are not super, super bad. It's like, it's possible. - Okay. - You know, it is possible. - Come on, man, give yourself a little more credit. - 'Cause I think hearing, you know, hearing of some experiences where, you know, subconsciously people

do treat you better if you are good looking, if you're better looking. - It's a sad reality. - It is a sad reality, you know? - Yeah. - Yeah, isn't it like as well, like people, if you're overweight,

there's like a lot of studies done that you just get treated worse at the workplace or you're less likely to be promoted to be someone who isn't overweight. So there's a lot of factors, but obviously that's a bit different to looks I suppose. - Well, I think same thing can be said though. Like I think maybe people, I mean, I don't have any anecdotal evidence for this, but I'm sure it's the same with looks, right? - Yeah, I'm pretty sure. - You might get treated better because you could better look. - Being overweight or in shape is an extension of looks, right? 'Cause if you're ripped and you're, you know, then.

you could be like average, but you could be very, very attractive to some people. Okay, Garnt, you said an interesting thing. You were like, thankfully we're not ugly. What do you do with this question then if you are ugly? - Huh? - Okay. What if we're all turned to town like Garnt is an ugly motherfucker. - Yeah. - What do you do with this question? - What do I do with this question? - Yeah. - Well, okay. - We live in a world where unfortunately people are, some people are conventionally unattractive, some people are conventionally beautiful.

I have no lived experience or no way to answer this question. Like I genuinely don't think I could offer anything. - Well, I think first step is, you know, you take what you're given with your genes, you know. - True. - We all played the gene lottery and some people got off better than others. But I think there is a baseline to just, there's a difference between being ugly and looking like you don't take care of yourself.

- Yes, I agree with that. - There is definitely a baseline where someone who is not, might not be conventionally attractive, but you could still tell they take pride in their looks, their style. - That's true. - They take pride in their appearance. And I think that that is a much more bigger factor than,

in my eyes, than the Jean lottery. - Yeah, if you had asked me this question five, 10 years ago, I probably would have said disagree because I did not care about how I looked. I did not care about how I dressed or how I, my hair or whatever. - You don't have to worry about it. - Yeah, but like as I've grown older

and I've started to have more confidence in myself and experimented more with like how I look and how I want to be perceived and how I want to feel about myself, I've gotten happier about it because now I feel like,

I'm like truly me. Whereas like before I was kind of just like, I have this gift that I was given with the fucking gene lottery, but I don't know how to use it. And it's just kind of wasting away. And I didn't feel good about that, about myself. So yeah, I think it also depends on like what stage of your life you're in as well with this question. So it's tough.

But I'm pretty happy with how I look now. - Also, I think it's a difference. It's a massive difference between being a guy and being a girl. - Oh dude, yeah, totally.

I don't know if I've met a single girl that could look at this question or look at this statement and answer, I agree. - I don't think they'll go higher than neutral. It's either strongly disagree or disagree. - I don't know if I know a single girl who would look at this and go higher than neutral. - I think it's a coin toss. - Yeah. - Some days. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Depends on the day, right? - Some days I'm like, I'm a bad bitch. And then some days I'm just like, I wanna die.

So come on ladies, have a little more, have a little more respect for yourself. You are pretty, don't worry. - All right, moving on to- - For an hour. - You wanna do one more? - Yeah, let's do- - All right, let's do one final one to end the episode off. Jesus. All Shonen anime are the same. I mean, what? - Yeah, 'cause they're all mid. - Right, Joey? - No! Do not put words in my mouth. - All right, I'm ready.

- Are we gonna have different answers for this? - No, I hope not. - I really hope not. - I hope not. - There's gonna be a serious- - You're such a troll, Garnt. - There's gonna be a serious- - I just saw what Garnt was writing. - Oh no, fuck sake. All right, ready? Three, two, rollin'. Fuck off, Garnt. - Agree. - Actually, fuck off, Garnt. - Agree. - It's like all bread tastes the same. - What are you talking about?

- So Garnt, explain to me how Ichigo 100% is the same as Demon Slayer. - Okay, with a caveat, I think all, like most of like the popular shonen anime, they all follow a very, very similar formula. - Yeah, but this is all shonen anime. - Okay, we know it means battle shonen, Joey. - No, it doesn't. - Shonen isn't a genre. Shonen is a fucking demographic, all right, Joey? - That's what I'm saying.

- Don't be a pretentious dick to me Joey. We know when it says Shonen anime, it means like Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Dragon Ball, Demon Slayer, Jitsukaisen, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. - I would still strongly disagree. - You still strongly disagree? - Yeah. - Okay, okay.

- What is happening here? - Okay. - I'm gonna let you guys take this one. - All right. - I think that, you know, with a lot of genres, would you say that all isekai are the same? - Yeah. - No. - Why do you think yeah?

- I think all Shonens are similar to each other like isekai is similar to each other in their appeals. - Oh, in their appeals, sure. But I think in terms of like the quality of the story and the actual contents of the story, like you can and people have in the past taken one

what might be considered as a stale genre and really try to expand upon the limits of that genre and given us actually some interesting shit. Sure, I would say, you know, it's a lot like this game where it's a spectrum. Like there's, you know, I think most of the shows that fall into that genre kind of all lie around in the middle where it's pretty much the same regurgitated formula over and over again, just with different skins. But every now and then you get shows like, you know, fucking,

now and they're here and now that are completely different in terms of like the feel and vibe of it, even though everyone and anyone can agree that that is,

as a Sakai of a show as Mushoku Tensei is. - Yeah, I feel like I'm just being pedantic with like the all shown in anime are the same, but I feel like a lot of them do follow a very similar formula and story beat that is proven. And there is a reason why it always seems like, anime is such a wide, just medium in general with so many different genres.

And yet it seems like the most popular ones are the same kinds of show that seem to crop up every single time. - I got one more in me. - Yeah. Like a lot of the modern conversation is surrounded by the same three, four shows that gets, that dominates popular anime culture. - Do you feel like Jujutsu Kaisen is similar to One Piece?

- I think- - In the story beats, yeah, I think. - I think they obviously like they have differences in the nuance and everything like that. But a lot of the reason we get into Shonen is

a lot of a similar kind of appeal. We get into it for a lot of action, a good underdog story. And you have something like Chainsaw Man, which is doing something very, very, very different, more like a genre deconstruction, but that is based on a framework that a lot of other Shonens follow as well. - But like, it's like, hey, all sushi tastes the same, right?

- Sushi-ro tastes the same as your $500 course. It's just fish and rice, man. What do you mean? It's the same thing. - Yeah, but I think- - I feel like this is when we know it doesn't. The ingredients are a core aspect of everything. And obviously the genre is the same. So the core outlines are often the same. - I think the biggest issue with all this is that people fucking label Shonen as a genre.

- Which it isn't. - I mean. - If the Shonen genre didn't exist, then I think there'll be much more of a distinction we can make between the different shows. But the problem is people have viewed Shonen now as just like this genre when it's fucking not. - I think that's how genres work. They form when we do feel strongly about a group of things. - Right. - Yeah, yeah. - So just how Midwestern emo is just made up bullshit.

but now you've decided that because we have this vibe. - Why did Midwest Emo have to catch a stray in this conversation? - Because to me, I've never heard of such nonsense in my life. - You would hate to see what the other- - No, I know, but like I'm saying, it is a genre. Obviously it wasn't meant to be, but it became a genre and we know what Shonen means. When you say Shonen, you know what we're talking about. - Yes. I think I kind of interpreted this more as

'Cause I knew Joey would come up with the argument where it's like, "Oh, Shonen is like Death Note and Shonen is- - Yeah, there's romance shows and sports- - Neesikoi and- - Sports shows. - Sports shows. Yes, yes, I know that. But that's what everyone says when they refer to Shonen anime as like a genre, which it technically is not a genre. It just means like young boy, right? It just means like boy. But then-

- You know, when you say Shonen anime, you do have an image of what a Shonen anime is. And it's a lot of the same,

A lot of these shows follow the same story beats and the same formula that work. And I'm not saying that's bad. I'm saying it is recognizable. - I mean, it's not even covering all Shonen anime to begin with. Like Shonen anime nowadays just refers to Shonen Jump anime. - Yeah. - Like, and even though there are so many other Shonen magazines out there that make Shonen manga and anime, but when you think of like first three shows you think of when you think Shonen anime.

- One Piece, Bleach and Aruto. - Fairy tale. - Fuck off. - I'm talking about good ones. - That is a Shonen anime, right? That is one, right? That's not a Shonen Jump. That's not a Shonen Jump. - When I think of a fucking genre of music, I don't think about the E tier of fucking that genre. I think of the fucking S tier shows.

- Anyway, we sat out of the way. - I'll just be pedantic. - Yeah, that's funny. - I know there's a difference in quality in all Shonen. - He just wanted to do it for the memes, I get it. - I just wanted to go against Joey's take.

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