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185. Burnout Isn’t Your Fault (But Here’s How You Fix It), with Cait Donovan

2025/4/3
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Kate Donovan: 我是倦怠专家,致力于终结倦怠文化。倦怠并非简单的责备游戏,它源于多种因素的共同作用,包括工作场所、家庭、性格特质、健康、环境和文化六个方面。这些因素共同构成了一个‘因果网’,影响着个体对倦怠的脆弱性。工作场所的价值观是否一致以及心理安全感是倦怠的重要因素。家庭背景,特别是童年时期的依恋关系,会影响个体对倦怠的脆弱性。性格特质和状态,例如讨好型人格和完美主义,会增加倦怠风险。健康状况,包括慢性疾病和心理健康问题,会影响个体对倦怠的易感性。环境因素,例如缺乏绿地和自然光照,会增加倦怠风险。文化因素,例如社会价值观和偏见,会影响个体对倦怠的脆弱性。解决倦怠需要企业和个人共同努力,关注各个因素的重叠之处。领导者不应该扮演治疗师的角色,而应该专注于创造心理安全感。每个倦怠因素都有积极的一面,可以用来增强个人的韧性。寻求帮助是提升韧性的关键,韧性是集体性的。 Leanne Elliott: 我们需要和Kate详细讨论倦怠问题,倦怠既非公司之过,也非个人之过,需要集体责任感。 Al Elliott: (主要负责节目流程和过渡,没有核心论点) supporting_evidences Kate Donovan: 'In a workplace or in a building that only uses fluorescent light and you never see dawn or dusk because of your working hours, you're going to be more vulnerable.' Leanne Elliott: 'I messaged you immediately. I was like, Kate, we need to talk about this at length.' Kate Donovan: 'One of the things that they found was there's only one actual action that increases your resilience automatically. One. And it's asking for help.'

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Welcome back to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast from the HubSpot Podcast Network, hosted by Chartered Occupational Psychologist Leanne Elliott and business owner Al Elliott. 🎧✨

🎙 Meet Our Guest: Cait Donovan

This week we're joined by Cait Donovan, burnout expert, speaker, author, and host of the hugely popular FRIED The Burnout Podcast. Cait’s unique approach blends modern biobehavioural health science with Chinese medicine, providing powerful insights into burnout recovery and resilience. 🌟🔥

Cait Donovan challenges the conventional narrative about burnout—that it's solely caused by individuals or their workplaces. She introduces the concept of the "Six Buckets" of burnout, highlighting that burnout results from a mix of factors including family background, personality, work environment, cultural pressures, physical health, and community support.

📌 What's Covered in This Episode?

Cait shares why the typical strategies for preventing burnout often fail, and why real recovery involves filling multiple "burnout protection buckets". She reveals how leaders can meaningfully support teams experiencing burnout without taking on the role of therapist, and explains why addressing burnout requires collective accountability rather than blame.

You'll hear practical advice on how to align personal and organisational values to build a healthier workplace culture, learn the science behind why asking for help is critical, and find out how to turn burnout recovery into resilience and growth.

If you're experiencing burnout, managing others through stressful periods, or simply looking to foster a healthier workplace, Cait's insights are essential listening.

💡 Key Takeaways From Cait Donovan

Cait explains why burnout isn't a simple blame game—neither fully the individual's fault nor solely the company's responsibility. Discover why collective resilience and shared accountability are vital to genuinely overcoming burnout.

Understand how "values misalignment" between what companies say and do can intensify burnout, and get practical strategies to genuinely support yourself and others through recovery.

🔗 Connect with Cait Donovan

Website:

https://www.caitdonovan.com/)

LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/caitdonovanspeaks)

Spotify (FRIED The Burnout Podcast):

https://open.spotify.com/show/2VhzgpY24d6xDhxPLGn9Ex)

Apple Podcasts (FRIED The Burnout Podcast):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fried-the-burnout-podcast/id1469939920)

🎧 Coming Up Next

Join us next Tuesday for our regular episode packed with workplace news, expert insights, another provocative hot take, and our popular Workplace Surgery—solving your toughest workplace dilemmas. 🔥🎙

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Thanks for tuning into Truth, Lies and Work—see you next week! 👋

General Support with Mental Health and Well-being

If you have been affected by any of the themes in this episode, or are currently struggling with your mental health, the following resources may be useful.

Mind website: https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/)

If you are feeling in distress or despair, including feelings of suicide, please do consider calling the Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK) or email [email protected]) (Rest of World)

Connect with Al and Leanne

Join the Conversation on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork/)

Connect with Al on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott/)

Connect with Leanne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne)

Email: [email protected]

Book a Call with Al & Leanne: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat)

Thanks for tuning into Truth, Lies & Work—see you next week!