Ep 1040 | Jase Blushes Hard at Missy's Wandering Hands & ‘Judge Jase’ TV Show Edges Closer to Reality
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Welcome back to Unashamed. We have one of our favorite contributing participants to the Unashamed podcast, Missy. I call you Jace's truth detector, Missy, because it's kind of deep in here. Sometimes I have to wear my hip boots with some of the stuff he says. So we'd love having you in to just make sure. Can I tell you the back story on this? I love it. There's always a back story. So I did this event.

this past weekend, and I lost my voice. And like day one, I had zero vocal ability. And Missy said it was the greatest two days of her life. That is not true. That is so not true. You just made that up. See, this is why I can't listen to the podcast. This is why we have to have a truth today. Because I'm not here to say that is not true. Babe, how many times in the last two days have you said, how come you're not talking? You're not saying my...

And I'll point to my boys. Maybe she's just saying it to peach herself in reality to say, oh, thank you, Lord. Jason's not talking. That's what you were saying. The same thing have happened to my parents, which because now since they're both not doing great. It hasn't stopped your mom from talking. Well, it hasn't. But my dad, all of a sudden,

He wants to be with my mom at all times. He does. Which I think is very sweet and cuddly.

And I thought, my mom has wanted this for years, and now she's responding the exact opposite way that I thought she would. She was like, he's driving me crazy. I can't get up and go to the bathroom without him saying, where are you going? It's very true. For years, Kay, you wanted his time. That's right. So now that's why Missy and I, I think we have a healthy relationship because she's like, go do something. I do not say that. Okay.

Is that why he cuts wood, Missy? He doesn't cut wood anymore. I've had to buy it the last two years. Babe, I just cut a whole tree at our neighbor's yard, of which they gave me a little. That's true. I take that back. You're right. I'm just a little too chicken. Are you buying the wood? Did you buy the wood, too? I bought the wood. I cut a whole tree that was this big around. Babe, you are doing our neighbors a huge favor because if

If they tried to do it, they would hurt themselves. It was a dead tree and you were helping them. We got wood out of it, but not enough for a season. Well, right. I wasn't. It was dependent on however much they gave us. Even though I did cut the tree up and I cut it into blocks. You did good. No.

I'm just checking your muscles. I literally thought I had something on my shirt. Checking your muscles. For those of you listening, she's kind of like muscle checking him. He's just blushed. He does bring up the wood chopping all the time about that's why he's in shape. So it's interesting to hear that it's

Not quite as often as he makes it sound. It's not as often, but I'm telling you, I took some videos and some pictures because he got read in on it during the holidays, and they were both working really hard. That tree was brutal. I love it. Do you have a wood splitter? He is the wood splitter. Zach, you're looking at the wood splitter. You know why I think Unashamed Nation works best?

Because we're representing different segments of our culture. And Zach has taken over the yuppified section of our world. Do I have a wood splitter? He is the Black Mountain, North Carolina. To quote Jesus, our Lord and Savior, I am the wood splitter. That's taken a little out of context. That's not in the Bible. Just so if you're listening and trying to find that scripture, it's not in the Bible. Saying I go by 1995 Acts.

Which is technically a mall. And I split it. But you know what I take great satisfaction in? It's because my son, I mean, he's in shape. He does all these normal yuppie workouts or whatever. He's like a cross trainer, right? I don't know what he is, but he's in shape. Yeah, I think that's what he was into. What I've noticed is when they come out there and they see old dad over there chopping wood, they're like, yeah, dad, let me help you. But they don't understand the technique involved.

Because they're strong and then there's country strong. Well, it is a certain amount of strength, but it's also where you're hitting that log. And I just...

Nobody taught me how to do it. I just learned because I used to cut firewood for a living. Remember those days? I do. I did it long enough to realize. We did it as kids for Paul when we were very young. So we learned that. I did it for money and I just completely totaled my vehicle during the process, which I only paid $1,500 for. But...

Because we would load it full of wood. And if it was a wet day. So when you total a vehicle worth $1,500, you're actually just putting it out of its misery, Jace, at that point. No, it was working. We needed that. I know. I remember I had something like that too. It led to me, because you get frustrated when you do this for money. Yeah. And I was trying to get out and they had this hot rod engine in the truck, the shell of the truck. And so it had too many RPMs going and the tires were,

especially when you had it loaded down with logs, it just slid so much. And so I kept banging into trees on the way out of the woods with the logs, which led to me being unable to open either door because I slammed into trees. And once it started...

I didn't even try to avoid them. You just went Dukes of Hazzard after that. I went Dukes of Hazzard. Right through the window. And I would just ping pong my way out of the woods, bouncing off trees. So I don't even know why we're talking about that. I have no idea why we're talking about that. Welcome to Unashamed. This is what we do. That's fascinating. And what I was saying is, is Reed, you know, he got up there way stronger than me. But he would hit that log in the wrong spot, and he just would try to hit it harder.

And he would try to hit it hard. And I'm just right beside him, just wham, bam, boom, bam. It's just pop, you know, it's just moving. Yeah. And he's like, I can't figure this out. You know, he wouldn't say that, but he would just hit it harder. And I was thinking...

Still got to figure out there's technique in all this. Technique. Well, you know, Des, so Sunday in my sermon, I realized now you were on the road, so you didn't get to hear it. But I quoted you. Well, actually, I quoted the way you do things in my sermon because I was in Ephesians 3.1.

And I said, this is a thought within a thought within a thought. Because Paul starts there with it for this reason, but he picks it up in verse 14. So his whole 2 through 13 is a rabbit hole in the text. Of what book? This is Ephesians. Okay. Sorry, Mizzy. So a thought within a thought. A thought within a thought. I think you need to make a bigger deal of the last. It's like it's a thought within a thought.

Of a thought. Well, there you go. Well, I knew you would understand this. So I said, and here's how I got this point to understand to be able to preach to you today is because this is on the podcast what we call a rabbit hole.

And Jace is the Elmer Fudd of the Unashamed podcast. Now, I had to explain that to anybody under 50 because I don't know who Elmer Fudd is, that he would chase down the wascally wabbit, right? So I said, but this is what we do. We have a thought, and then it leads to a thought that then Jace takes –

to the, as you describe, the thought within the thought. So I did quote you as the great rabbit hole chaser. I think it would have been a better joke if you had said that. We also have a guy who dresses like Elmer Fudd that is not Jace.

Now, that would have been funny. I wish I had thought of that. His name is Zach. I've heard about that, Zach. Jace is Elmer Fudd. Zach dresses like Elmer Fudd. Excellent, Jace. Missy, they asked one of the most common questions in the comments. Does he even like Zach? That is a common question. Okay.

They were sensing a genuine hatred for our cousin, our beloved cousin's ass. If you haven't noticed by now, Jace, we'll call you out. You

He will call you out if he doesn't agree with you or if he just needs more clarification. Both with you. Missy, Jay's even tore down the fourth wall and commented on how Zach does ads on the podcast, which we never talk about. That's the most exciting thing about this podcast. What? Yeah. I told Zach to bring in an exorcist because he's bringing on all these guests, you know, brain scanners and doctors, and he's trying to, you know,

Get out there in the world and let's see where people are. Most of them are about behavioral science, I noticed that. And I'm like, we need an exorcist to come in and figure out why Zach, when he reads an ad, turns into a world wrestling commentator. When Lisa and I first got married, Jace, we were super young. And you were too, you and Missy. And you kind of just think, like, it'll all work out.

Yeah. There's financial stuff, whatever. And then you realize once you kind of get into it like that first year is like this is going to be really hard. I think my dad famously said, hey, we'll live off love. And then he said, news bulletin, you'll starve to death. So you need a little more. And one of the struggles, at least that I had early and we also had a premature baby.

So we had these huge hospital bills that was on top of us really struggling. In fact, I was a preaching school student. And so debt was a big deal. And it really threatened us and threatened to crush us really in that early going. And so, Zach, I'm really glad we got a new sponsor with the podcast. I could have used these guys many, many years ago. That's right, Al. Yeah, Done With Debt is our new sponsor. And I'll tell you, it's time to stop letting debt hold you back.

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I have a question. I'm not an exorcist, so I can't help you with that. Why am I here today? Well, you're here because my voice is not working. Well, we had a cancellation, too, so we had another thing planned. You were our ringer. We had one of your friends coming in, and it didn't work out because of the weather. We had a couple coming in. We'll save that for a future podcast. Okay, when Jace came in this morning, and we realized they weren't coming, he was like, you want to come anyway? And I said, no.

What? Why? What am I going to talk about? Because I can't talk. And I still haven't really got an answer to that, so I don't like to come unprepared. We don't know yet. We never have an answer. We never have an answer. We always have a general idea. So while you're here, Missy, let me ask you this. Maybe Missy can help with this. So I walk in. I'm showing some visitors around our setup here because we've got our new studio. Is this the first time you've been to this? This is. It's great. I love it.

And so like all of our producers, you know, for all the podcasts and everything are just right across the hall, Sadie's podcast room and all that. So I'm taking them in there where there's a big whiteboard and I'm like showing people around. They're like, what is this? And I look at it and I have no idea. It says Judge Jace at the top of it.

And then it's got all these little, it's like a Venn diagram underneath it with all these things it's pointing to. And they were like, what is that? And I was like, I have no idea. This is somebody's idea of a sick joke. So I don't know. What is this about? I told J.S.S., and this is kind of funny because probably the biggest podcast by the numbers that we've had in the last year, outside of obviously Phil's diagnosis, but

was when we talked about a show concept called Judge Jace, which would be kind of like a people's court-ish type show, but for kind of rednecks. We talked about it on the show. Jace doesn't even remember. I'm like, yeah, that episode Red did really well. He's like, what episode? I said, the one about Judge Jace. He said, what are you talking about? I have no memory. He never told me any of that. Babe, I'm not real sure that this is... You think Zach's making this up? Well, he could have dreamed it.

Somebody's doing diagrams about it, so people are talking inwardly. But you do know the story of the seatbelt that was really hard for Jace to get over. I lived through that, Zach. Is that where it all got started? That's where it got started. I thought I did it. We felt like you would be better on the other side of the law.

levying out justice. That's where the concept came from. You're disgust with the whole system. So Jace wouldn't be the defendant. He would be the judge deciding? The judge deciding. Small claims court, they come in with their problems. They obviously sign off. I think I would watch this. Well, wait a minute. I did a bit on our little duck show.

And I don't know what the bit was. You might remember. But they called it On the Case with Jace. Yes. Mm-hmm. And I think me and Cy went to court because— Traffic court. Well, I think Cy— Is that the one? Yeah, we actually went to court. Yeah. My old buddy, Judge Norris. And I know y'all think we made— Judge Norris, Mia's buddy. Yeah. Okay. Y'all think we made all this up on the duck show, but this was actually a thing. Yeah, I never knew. Where I defended him because he had gotten a ticket.

Because he was parking on the bridge. We were fishing. We got a ticket. I vaguely remember this. Yeah, you can't park on a road, especially when it says no parking. But we did it because people in the redneck world fish off bridges. And they take no parking as a suggestion rather than a law. Well. So your role was his defense lawyer. Yeah. Yeah.

We lost. That's what I'm saying. Epic fail. I do remember that. But if I'd have been the judge, I would have said, I would have... You would have ruled in favor of yourself. I would have settled a redneck issue, which is once you get past the city limits, you are allowed to fish off bridges because people are going to do it anyway. Yeah. And that's just what we did. And we naturally slowed down at a bridge in case someone was fishing on it. Is that my trade? Okay, bigger picture. Let's move on. Bigger picture. Yeah.

Sorry, I'm not here for very long. Oh, we got a bailiff here now. Here's the bailiff for Justin. Okay, so here's my question, Zach. If he's the judge, because I love the Law & Order shows. I love all the trial cases, murder mysteries, things like that. I love all that. So I'm all about truth and justice. So when I think about Jace being a defense lawyer...

He is going to create some arguments out of the box thinking even prosecution, like even if you're the prosecutor, but a judge that from what I've seen, like take the, the, the Alex Murdoch case, right?

where he was convicted of murdering his wife and child. Gory, horrible, disgusting. Oh, yeah, the one out of South Carolina. South Carolina, yes. Last summer, Captivate. Yeah, it was that Netflix special. I was riveted with the live viewing of that. So you watched the whole trial. I watched a lot of it. I couldn't watch all of it, but I watched a lot of it. And that judge, the judge, you're talking about what could be Jace,

is unbiased, have no way of knowing what he's thinking for days and weeks, months until the verdict is rendered. Then when he came out with that verdict, there was no wavery at all in terms of which way he's thinking.

And it was like, it's almost shocking how hard the hammer came down. It was almost shocking because he gave no bias at all. This was at the sentencing phase? At the sentencing, yeah. When the verdict came down and the way his whole speech that he had prepared, it was lengthy, it was emotional, and there was basically, that was it. Nail in the coffin. Nail in the coffins. I'll just say that.

What I'm saying, though, is he didn't discuss or anything in front of people. I'm not sure the judge part you could pull off. I think you could pull off. I don't even know what we're talking about here. Judge Jace would have to keep his mouth shut. That's not going to happen. Until the very end is what I'm saying. But the nature of these kind of shows are the judge kind of plays the interrogator as well.

Especially in the small claims. Because it's Judge Judy with the original. Oh, Judge Judy. Like a small claim situation. Oh, y'all talking about me doing a show? Look, you got to remember, this is my life here. And y'all, I don't even. We're talking about him in third person. I'm sitting here. Jace, we're workshopping right now. We're workshopping right now. But do you guys remember the first one that was ever done like that?

Oh, it was Judge Wapner. Yeah, was it called People's Court? People's Court. Huh, I don't really remember that. Oh, classic. It started the whole craze. Now there's judges everywhere. Everybody's a judge. I mean, I have settled some disputes before just using redneck logic. But I could use common sense, redneck logic, and the Bible.

As the basis. Because most of these redneck disputes can be settled, but they're just... Because, I mean, like even Cy, he's the undeclared mayor of their little community. And it's like people come up like in Gothic days, you know, and they're like, they give the domestic dispute and they let Cy...

I mean, they're like, you know, my wife, she's driving me crazy, whatever. We had some bushes planted. And Cy says, no, no, yeah. I don't know. Anything is possible if Cy is literally settling disputes, I'm sure. And let's face it, the intriguing part would be all the different disputes that arise between rednecks.

It would be the unusual... A lot of neighbors, probably. Neighboring disputes. I think that's what Judge Judy a lot of times would have to... There's a lot of neighbor disputes, a lot of fence issues. You got the fence on my property. The chicken's got loose. Your dog, my cat, the whole... You know, there's...

I think you could levy justice fairly, Jace. I have a suggestion. You could do like what you did for the metal detecting show. How many people would be interested or currently have disputes with someone that they need common sense logic to figure out? Hmm.

I would like to hear that. Although they have spoken on the first one that Jace didn't remember. But I would like to know, that would be interesting to hear about other disputes that could be solved in the court of common sense, which is lacking. We have to admit that, Jace. We had this conversation about something else recently, but it's common sense. It's making a comeback.

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Well, I think we have to do what we've always done. Jace is the last three things he's done. He throws it out to Unashamed Nation. What do y'all think? So I think we have to ask the audience. I have a little reservation about this, but if y'all want to do it, I don't mind making a decision. Because I really feel like the older I get, especially when your family gets older, we have older parents that are struggling with their health, and you have your sons and daughters struggling with...

early marriage and then you have little kids that now grandkids, I mean, you need somebody to stand up and make a decision. Yeah. And I realize the importance of that.

Which leads to a conversation which can be bumpy. Well, I say if this thing goes that Missy must be the bailiff. Oh, my God. Remember the original? Would you be the bailiff, Missy? Would you be the bailiff, Missy? Why do they do this together? They stand there. Don't they like tackle someone who comes up to the court? They mostly just keep things going. I like the bailiff. I think she should be a consultant to the judge. Well,

Well, bailiff isn't a decision-making process. Zach, do you remember who the original bailiff was on people's court? I do. I

I can remember his face. Rusty. Rusty the bailiff. We could be a husband-wife team, though. I would be the one going, let's move along. Let's move along. That's it. That's what I'm saying. You do. You could actually be my personal bailiff. I can maintain order. I just don't think I can maintain security. We could have an enforcer. We'll have a beefy person nearby. We'll have a beefy person that could be the enforcer, and you'll actually direct the—

Well, it's my show. Why not have two bailiffs? One is for order. One is for security. There's no rules here, man. We can do whatever we want. This is making me really nervous. We're workshopping, man. Obey in the mathematics of God. One plus one equals one. So you are me.

I don't know if I can handle that, being there, watching that nonsense every day. Not so. Boy, am I now. I don't know. Babe, I got the Bible. That's why Missy is a contributor on this podcast, not a regular. I can make a decision. I have the Bible. I have the Holy Spirit. I have common sense, and I have redneck logic. I am qualified. I do.

We could do a trial run. We're talking about changing lives, Missy. There's neighbors that will never get along if we don't do this. We're talking about bringing people together. Okay. I mean, half my verdicts are going to be involving the statement, let's just saw it in two. Oh, no.

If you don't know the reference, that's a biblical reference. I mean, what I'm saying is... I read your Bible. I've said for years, following Jesus makes you really smart. Yeah. How many people have come into our house...

and just said, can you help us fix this? Just in the last 35 years, how many people? Just in the last, I was going to say the last year, but 35 years, there's, I cannot count. There's no way. So I'm like looking around like, you talking to me? Yeah. But I mean, you have the Bible, you read it, and it makes you smart. Yeah. I think that's why our former projects, behind it was something smart in that we figured out

While we're here, which is why you're here. It took us 25 minutes to figure out why you're here. The best thing is the number one question in life, babe, is why am I here on earth? The best ones that come to our house or call us on the phone and ask us is our children. So when you get to the point where all of your adult children are calling and asking your advice and how to help them solve a problem,

That's the best gift of all, I think. When does that happen? Because we're not there yet. You will. I got a bunch of experts. Y'all are doing great. I got two that called, but I got one in particular. I won't say his name. We know you. I know who that is. He's an expert on everything. My oldest son got in his vehicle with his wife and three kids, three that are three or younger,

and drove to my event an hour and a half. Were you there? I was shocked. I was so jealous when I found out they were coming. Reed and Brighton came? Loaded up their kids and went to see him speak. We're going to see O.J. Wright do his thing. I have to brag on y'all for a second because this really made my heart swell with...

I don't know what the word I'm looking for is, but I was just like, yeah, or just like, Oh, I'm glad they're around godly people. But I get Reed sent me a text out of the blue about three nights ago of him and, and Brighton and Layla and Max and another couple. I didn't know who they were and Dawson play in some kind of, it wasn't, it wasn't dominoes.

Because I said, that doesn't look like dominoes. He said, no, Brighton won't let me play dominoes. He said, they get too loud. This is called Mexican dominoes or something like that. But they're playing the game. But I was just thankful to think that you have a daughter and son in Nashville and

And then your kids, who are older than my kids, are ministering to them and pouring into them. I thought, man, it takes me back to whenever I was about 18 years old hanging out at y'all's house. Yeah. It's kind of a full circle moment. Yeah. They're doing really, really well. I mean, they're doing fantastic. And Brighton told me she was going to do that. That's awesome. She's impressed with your kids, too. Yeah.

Which, by the way, that's another reason why that we all grew up this way and learned this. But hospitality is such a huge part of our belief system to have the house where people can come to to be able to do that. We had a group over last night. This was a guy that I'd shared with years and years ago. Now he's married. He's got two kids. His sister and brother-in-law are in town. Their kid. They're all over the house. It's a place to gather.

to grow and to have, you know, fellowship. It's important. Yeah, I was interested in your take on the event because my grandkids at first, they all go through the same process. They look at me and they're a little terrified. Yeah, like people in an airport. Yeah, based on how I look. Of course, I'm just telling everybody, just give it time, give it time. And Missy was more in a panic because she's like,

I mean, this is crazy. Your grandkids shouldn't be scared of their grandpa. And so, babe, do you remember what happened a few weeks ago? We had little David. David was terrified of Jace. Terrified. Who was my number one fan the other night at the event. Yeah.

J-Rock. He sounds like Chewbacca from Star Wars. That's the one he talks. He says, jo-wa, jo-wa. That's what he says. But you're talking about when we went to saw the Christmas lights? No, I'm saying when he fell down. Yeah. Okay. So that night, so they came over for the holidays. Yeah.

And they didn't want, well, Maris has passed it. She's all about J-Rock. It's fine. But David is just, he is all about me. When I am there, he just wants me constantly. He's a snuggle bunny. He is just precious and he just wants Lulu, which just melts my heart.

Well, the weather was so great. So we dropped the top of the Volkswagen bug and we took them to see the lights on Candy Cane Lane. And we had the best time. Maris never stopped talking. I mean, I don't know how she took a breath. She just did it. Look at that. Female, for sure. And David was like deer in the headlights, just looking. And he's a little over a year younger than her. And he would sit down on the armrest in between me and Jace.

And he would look at Jace, and I didn't hear this, but Jace told me later, he would lean over and go, hey, Jaywalk. Yeah. And Jace would say, hey, buddy. We'd go a little bit more and do it again. Hey, Jaywalk. Hey, buddy.

We get home. We went and got pizza. We got home. Somehow, Maris and David were playing with a toy. David tripped and fell down. I mean, head first onto the brick floor. But his parents, Reed and Brighton are there. They never moved. Yeah. Which made, I was like, at first I thought, and then I thought, okay, is he hurt or has he just got his feelings hurt? Then he...

crawled over to the rug and laid his head down again and kept crying. I was like, okay, he's got his feelings hurt. So I went over there and I rubbed his back and I said, Davey, you want Lulu to hold you?

And he raised up, and I thought he was going to come right in my arms. And he looked at Jace, who was standing in the kitchen. And he got up, and he ran to Jace with his arms open, and he went, Jay, what? He turned down Mom, Dad, and Lulu. I said, what is happening? But I cued the Chariots of Fire music. You left that off. I could hear it in the background. And it went into slow motion. Yes.

As he ran the little legs. And just laid his head on Jason's chest. I was like, what? What universe am I in right now? Just give it time. It was the cutest thing. Give it time, babe. You know what he needed, Missy, to go to Jay's? Trauma. I guess so.

He said that you were a man who could levy justice fairly. I'm running to that guy. He's decisive. He's a common sense, decisive leader. It did turn into top 10 memories of Jay Rock's life. It was really key. It was awesome.

So, Zach, we got a big announcement. 2025 is here. We've talked about me making a serious attempt, Jace, to lose some pounds this year. I made an attempt last year, but I kind of went it alone. And then this year, I'm deciding that PhD weight loss is going to help me get there. So I know you're excited about it. Everybody needs a buddy. Yeah.

Well, I got a bigger buddy joining. Zach, can you give us your announcement today? I have decided to join you in the journey. Yeah, I'm going to lose some pounds. He's talked to my friend, Rachel, who is my guide. She calls me every week. That's one of the things they offer is support, which I love. We had Dr. Ashley Lucas, who's the founder of PhD Weight Loss, on the podcast recently. She has a PhD in sports nutrition and chronic disease.

But really what she has from her own story is a passion for helping people just like me, just like Zach.

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Because I'm back there in the green room with three grandkids and people coming in. And it was like, then it was like, oh, I got to get up and speak. That's basically how it went. We haven't hit the grandkid phase yet. I'm always, I'm very curious of how that's going to, it seems like it's going to be a lot. There's no way to adequately explain it. People would try to tell me there's no love like a grandparent's love. You treat them differently than you treat your kids.

There are no words for me to explain to you what this is going to be like. There's just not. I can try all day long, but until you experience it for yourself, you will never understand it. It is a love like you have never known in your life, really. Really? I'm going to go more than that. And you know what's interesting is, Missy, that now, because I'm the oldest in the family, so now my grandkids are getting married.

which is a whole nother next level. And so my other grandkids make fun of Carly because she always wants to hang out with Joey. Like he's out working, he's a worker, you know, he builds stuff. And so he's out working on stuff. Well, she sits out there with him.

Well, at least I look at that. We're so proud of that because it's like they want to be together. That's the way we were when we first got together. And it'll be sparks and all that stuff. But we realize that because we're now three generations into watching this. Now the others are like, oh, God, I can't do anything without Joey Ray. And I'm like, leave them alone. They're building a life together. So it's like you get to see this experience of watching your legacy grow and

in real time, it's an amazing thing. The Bible's full of it in the Old Testament, especially. I mean, to generation, to generation, to generation. And you're right, the swell of a heart just gets more proud with every generation. I think part of it is, and could be, is watching my own

raise that child and doing a fantastic job. I don't know if, if, if Reed was a terrible father, if I would love Maris and David and Francis less, I don't think that I would, but there's just, there's no explanation. So I'm trying to explain what it could possibly be. I'm so impressed with Reed and Brighton and the way that they handle their family and,

And the way they handle their relationship and the way they divide their time and how hard they were, all of that. But then when I see my grandkids' face and they come running at me like they've been waiting with bated breath for days and weeks to see me, there is just no other feeling in the world like that. Yeah, whatever they're doing is working because when I was at the event, my assistant said, well, I can probably ask about getting the green room done.

so that Brighton can take the kids back once you start speaking. And I was like, I don't think that's going to be a problem with them. She's not going to need that. No. So I said on the last podcast, I went 53 minutes because my assistant that I just met failed to blow the duck call at 35. But they sat there and –

Never said a word. And they clapped when they were supposed to. They laughed when they were supposed to. She said it was a little late. You know, like I'd tell a joke. Some people would laugh. Then Maris would look around and like, oh, ha, ha, ha, ha. That's so cute. I know. It was funny. And they were a little late on the clapping. Oh, we're clapping now. But I thought it was pretty impressive. Whatever they're doing to have three kids, three, two, and one.

And to sit there for 50-something minutes was impressive. But, Jace, think about it from our perspective of how now you're talking about legacy building. We used to be young and be in a setting where we're watching dad get up in front of audiences for the first time and start out just duck stuff like DU banquets and all that, but then grew into him preaching and sharing the gospel with people. And we were the same way. We were the kids watching, and our kids were watching their grandpa watching

And we just ran this little clip, Missy, recently, because we were talking about dad being John the Baptist in one of the church dramas.

And the way he, memory comes down the aisle and he's like, you know, who flee, who told you to flee from the coming wrath? Well, we found that. Maddie's like, can you find that? And I was like, it's on VHS somewhere. She's like, I'll convert it if you get it to. And she did. She's on the podcast. All these people, I can't believe this. And I'm like, yeah, that was dad. Like that was 30 years ago in his prime. Like being John the Baptist in a church drama. But I thought that's what you want to create that.

going forward so that each generation, your grandkids now, they'll get to experience as they get older, it'll be J-Rock up sharing the gospel with people. What better thing than that? But it's also about training your children to actually sit there and listen for 53 minutes. That's a good point too. That's unheard of these days. It's everyone ends up in the foyer because they can't control their, no, they won't say they can't control their child. Their child is not able because they're two or three or whatever the reason is to sit there in that pew and

when that was just expected when we were younger. There was no, let's go play in the foyer because you've had enough. Well, and a lot of churches too now, we've like shipped the kids out. They're not even a part of the service anymore, which I think is sad because I grew up watching, like just the communion every Sunday for me. I think about like my most, one of the most formative things in my faith

was watching that communion service Sunday after Sunday after Sunday after Sunday. I mean, that shapes your imagination, and it gets so deep into your soul when you are formed that way. And we just say, kids, y'all go out there because y'all are kind of a nuisance. And then we wonder why they can't even focus when we've entertained them to death. I mean, I think that's a really good point.

We had an all-together service a couple weeks ago, and we actually had AK with us because he had spent the night. And so I packed a bag, you know, knowing that we were going to all be together. And he did really well. We're also potty training right now. So I went out a couple of times just to make sure, you know, there was no accidents. But he did really well in that setting. It's like it can be done. Yeah.

It just takes a lot of time. My mom had a technique. Didn't she teach you in school or something, my mom? Yes, Zach. She taught me in school, fourth grade, and she gave me my first...

well actually my only paddling i think that's the story i didn't know that yes you did you forgot and i told that many times y'all didn't know that no she did yeah yeah so mom had a thing we called i later termed it the vulcan death grip you know that spock used to do that thing and on the shoulders and it would

incapacitate. She had a deal where she could like, like, like pinch you. But like, it was like her face was completely normal. Like, Hey, how's it going? Like, like the, the, the anger was all in the, in the pitch. And so you're, you're cutting up. I mean, she just, and you're just like, ah,

But her face would look completely normal. And you would not, so if you were watching her, you'd be like, why is that kid acting that way? Because he's being abused by his mom, but her face looked normal. Jace had a thump. He had a thump. He would put that middle finger behind his thumb. I can't even physically do it. You've got to get way back. I have one of the world's greatest powerful thumps.

And it's a talent. But you got that from grandpa, my grandpa. Well, it's just something about my fingers. I don't know if it's because I built so many duck calls and knobby. But when I thump a kid, they'll never forget it the rest of their life. A kid? Your kid? Not anybody else's kid. I've thumped other kids, baby.

The statute of limitations is passed. This sounds like a case for Judge Jays. Compared to what me and Al was raised in, we've recovered. It's a wonder that we didn't have permanent maiming that went on. I mean, my mom, oof.

She'd get the old ring finger with the ring and pow. A wooden spoon. Yeah, but that's what they did. I mean, look, I got into a lot of trouble. I was only an intern for how long now? Not long. About a year. What? No. No. No.

I know. I have no idea. It was like four years because Reed was born in 95 and he started working for your dad in January of 95. Somewhere in between there. He was part-time for a while. I know that. Four years and four months as you were an intern. So I was teaching. And Missy would know because there was no money. There was no money. No money. I had to make up for the rest. You were the breadwinner at the women's clinic. You were back there. She was. So I had this story that I think I told before, but it's been a few hundred podcasts ago.

So I had these two kids because I taught the junior high class. And even though I retired from my internship, I continued to teach that junior high class. So I'm not sure when this happened in there. Did you have retirement from internship? Yeah. You just quit. Well, I told them I'm resigning. When you're an intern, you just quit. Okay. It wasn't. They didn't say, oh, we hate to see you go. They didn't give you a party or anything. Okay.

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So here's what I did. I'm teaching this junior high class, which I love teaching the junior high because they were at an age where they're kind of what we're talking about. And no one ever says that, by the way. Well, they're trying to figure out why they're here. But Jace's whole weird personality fits junior high perfectly. Yeah, for some reason. For some reason they connect. And I can give you some tips. You're probably the best junior high teacher we ever had at our church. Well, you know what I got down to in my philosophy was try to get them –

to stop and consider one thought. So it just, my outline got to one thought. And then I just tried to get that one thought in their head. And so I had these two boys that were just disrupting. And everything I tried to do that usually worked, which is my famous thing, would be, I'll throw you out of this class and you'll have to get assigned

you know, letter from your parents or guardian to get back in the class. I acted like, you're not forced to be here. This is a privilege that I'm granting you. Your parents will have to get you back in. Well, none of that worked for them. They were just disruptive. So that didn't work. So I thought, I've got to do something with these kids because they're disrupting my class. So I pulled them to the side after class one night. I was like, look,

I got a $100 bill out. I said, next week, if you're good and don't disrupt my class, I'll give you this $100. And their eyes got big. And because the reason I had done that. You had $100? That's why I was, where did you get it? As an intern? Did you steal it? I think it may have been a five. No, I had a $100 bill.

I don't know where I had come in contact with, but I had the $100. His memory's over 30 years old. Let's remember that. But it was in response to, because when I said, when I said, why can't y'all, when I said, if you're cutting up, you're disrupting the class, but they both shrugged their shoulders and said, oh, well, we have ADD, which at that stage of my life, I'd never heard of that. And I was like, what is that? They're like, well, we can't pay attention.

So we have to take, you know, pills or whatever. I was like, well, whatever you're taking is not working. So then I just thought of that. I was like, I'll give you $100 if you pay attention. And I said, take it or leave it. And they said, we'll take it. So the next week we get in there and they were perfect gentlemen. And so after the class, they came on. I was like, I want $100. I was like, you're not getting $100 because there was nothing wrong with you.

And you didn't have $100. Your motivation. Yeah, because that $100 bill that I had showed them, that had been gone. I didn't have $100. He borrowed that from Doyle Jennings or something. As funny as this story is, you would think, oh, okay, that worked. You proved a point to them that there was nothing wrong with them. It was their motivation. So I felt like a genius.

Well, the next week before class starts, here's a woman comes up to me, irate. And she's, I was like, what's wrong with you? And she's like, you owe my kids $100. And I was like, oh, those were your kids? Yeah, you said you was going to give them $100, and they actually good. And I was like, they're not getting $100. I'm saving you money. You're the person that I've been looking for. I've saved you. You can cancel that.

that they have. I'm going to save you way more than $100 on drugs because there's nothing wrong with them. All they needed to do. This is why you need to be Judge J's, this sort of thing. So look, so you think that solves the problem. She said, I'm suing you. Oh, boy. So she goes to the elders. Because you can't sue. Yeah, who comes to me. And I thought they were going to say, J's, great illustration. We got your back.

In old Carl Allison's life.

I think you need to give this woman a hundred dollars. Cause you said it. I was like, it was all a prop to prove a point. Yeah. It was based on a lie to start with. There's nothing wrong with these two boys. So now you're saying I'm lying. Well, I came up with a lie based on your lie to prove that there's no lies except the ones you're being told. Two lies make one truth. I'm not paying you a hundred dollars. I'll see you in court. Well,

Well, next thing you know, I'm resigning. So, you know, that wasn't a major reason. This was a case for Judge Jace. I mean, this is it. This is exactly what we're talking about. This is what we're looking for. These are the kind of stories that people need to see. I actually think there may be enough material out there for a show after listening to this. I wasn't doing that as a preview for the show. I'm saying...

I was right. All the kids needed was a little discipline. I mean, there's two big take-homes there. One, what we just said, it is the case for Judge Jace. But two, you did solve, you solved a major crisis in America. You have figured out how to solve it.

how we could win this battle against ADHD. $100 at a time. Jace was taking on Big Pharma before we knew about Big Pharma. You need to meet with RFK. I think this is a worthy study that they can put some of that money into that they're taking out of the U.S. aid. We also found out what Jace's –

was worth $100. $100, he said. He walked away for the $100. I bet the church paid the $100. Yeah, that's my question. I was just so disappointed because I thought I solved this lie. There

There was nothing wrong with those two boys. And I get it. Look, it was what you think. It was true. No dad around. At the time, it was true. She's doing the best she could. But I was like, well, I'm going to be a man in their life here and say there's nothing wrong with you. You sit in there and shut up. Will you do it for $100? Well, look, if they wouldn't have been able to do it,

you know, okay, they may have had a case. They were perfect gentlemen. You know, it's funny that all of our, all of our, all the stuff that we, the incentives that we got, we never got positive incentives. We always got negative incentives. There was never, if you do this, you'll get something good. It's, I'm going to, it was. You were getting the Vulcan nerve pinch for years. Vulcan nerve pinch. Which is why I wasn't. This is pre, this is pre-gentle parenting. That wasn't a thing back, at least I didn't know what that was. It's called parenting. It's called parenting.

So, I mean, Jace got me a set of books because I listened to this guy. I'm not going to tell you his name because I want you to have him on the podcast. But I heard him on another podcast, and he was talking about this specific issue and how it's changed over the last 30 years and how many more children are on this medication than they were 30 years ago. And what he called it was, and it's not just that one issue. It was two or three issues he was talking about.

Jace ordered me four of his books for Christmas because I was like all about this guy. And I started reading these books and it made me so, again, impressed with my own children and how they're raising their children with discipline. But it also made me very sad for a lot of children out there because what this guy, the phrase he called it was, they're abdicating their parenting. Right.

They're abdicating their parenting to... Tell us what that means because I've never used the word abdicate.

Well, they're not doing it. Abdicating means that you're not taking responsibility. You're letting somebody else take your responsibility. It's like Queen Elizabeth's father became king because her father's brother was supposed to be in line and he abdicated the throne to go marry someone who was not supposed to marry. Willingly giving it up. Well, why not just say that?

But go ahead. Because when you... Because she's the best. Missy, you chose the right phrase, and thank you for saying that. I'm just repeating it. I'm just repeating it from a professional. Well, as Judge Jays, I will be abdicating nothing when it comes to that word. I will just say, give it up.

All right. It is your point, Missy. I'm only quoting someone else. It's not my word. He said that parents are abdicating their parenting to drugs, pharmaceutical prescriptions, and

And full-time nannies, daycares, or whatever else is out there because they want to work. And electronic devices. Oh, no, that was the third one. And screens. Screens in their children's bedrooms. Just having them turned off at night in their bedrooms affects their sleep. So children are needing, quote, needing this medication because actually they're just not getting enough sleep at night. So, which I would love...

to like go on a whole thing about this with professionals. But if I think if parents just had tools, they just don't know what to do. We say there's no manual for parenting.

I had living manuals all the time when I was growing up raising my kids through older women. They were living manuals, basically. I had Jonelle Kirby. I had Mary Owen. I had so many different women who were ahead of me in raising their children who had gone through hard stuff. And some of them were professionals, which did not hurt.

Helped a lot. But there's people don't have that these days. And so they don't know what to do. And they're just flying by the seat of their pants. And so I'm just really big on trying to get my daughter in law the resources that she needs because she wants what's best for her children. And she's one that will work at it.

And she'll resource it and try to figure out the best thing to do. But a lot of parents, it's just too hard, especially single parents. And so I would love to be able to be an advocate to help give them those resources through people that we come along with. So, Missy, you asked a question earlier why I'm on this podcast. Thank you for answering your question.

And thank you for being on the Unashamed. Well, parents these days need all the help they can get. I agree. All right. We'll have to have Missy back on to talk about this more. It's really good. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.