Ep 1111 | Miss Kay’s Health Comeback
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Welcome back to Unashamed. Zach, you have literally flown in to be with us today. Did you fly in today? I did. I flew in, landed at 12. Just two hours ago, you were 35,000 feet. I was. So to set the time right, because usually we do a couple of podcasts a couple times a week, but we do them in the morning.

In the morning. But this, y'all didn't know that now, now I realize if you, look, if you don't think God is working in all this, because last night I had my first frog hunt of the year. Really? It's June, you know, two or three years ago, the powers that be decided to put a frog season into play, which I was. Why would you really need a season? Yeah.

There's not very many people frog. They got to control it. Somebody's got to control it. I mean, frogs are frogs. I mean, they're... Yeah. In the spirit of Phil, I'm sure there was a meeting that took place somewhere. You know, he never liked meetings. So there was never...

a frog season until two years ago. I mean, there's a natural frog season. There's a natural season. It's like crawfish season. You know when they're going to be catchable. But oh, no, no. They got to have a rule. They got involved. The 14 people in the U.S. that are actually catching frogs. But it is a state thing, right? Because it wouldn't be. It's not a state. They're not a migratory animal. I assume it's a. I'm sure that it was probably.

Every state has assimilated this rule. So they basically don't want you to catch them when they're spawning, which is in our state would be April, May. So I have gone a couple times at the end of March on warm, you know, because you have a couple days there when they're coming out. But so it actually worked out because I needed to recover. You know, the older I get...

Frog hunting is a contact sport. Did you get some frogs? Oh, did we? It was one of the most... I'm sad I'm leaving town. Zach, that was another good reason to come to town. You need to invite yourself to that. I want to get on the frog leg eating. Well, I hate to tell you this. The ones that I siphoned into my little ice chest as I was deep into the morning there...

They have already been ingested. That's why. Look, today. So that's what you have for lunch today. Well, it's kind of a mid. Yeah. Yeah, brunch. Frog leg brunch. Now that's got a ring to it. I like frog legs. I wonder what would you do in a scenario? Because at church on Sunday, we were going through, we're going to do the book of Exodus.

What would you do if the frog plague hit? Look, we actually talked about that last night. Because somebody asked me a biblical question, and I did not know the answer. Because we had a bunch of kids, and it was...

For some reason, I mean, look, we'll just say this because, you know, our dad died and all of a sudden you're thinking more about, you know, the legacy he left. And, you know, I got asked to go and let's teach some little kids how to frog hunt, which was a different role for me, you know.

But I did it, and it turned out to be fantastic. I mean, you saw the whole gamut, the tears, the fears, then all of a sudden, hey, this looks kind of fun. And then having the courage, because some of these kids were small, and it was like a transformational experience.

And weirdly enough, I was the only... I never knew. It's a new thing. I think that's my role at this stage in my life. But in the spirit of Phil, he used to...

He just couldn't wait till lunch. We'd go catch some frogs, you know, and it's like. How many mid-morning catfish eatings have we had? Oh, gosh. It's so fun, you know. And Missy just watched the whole process. She didn't like it because I fried the frogs, and I'm like, it's the first frogs of the year. I must do this. Yeah.

Because you can do, there's a Cajun recipe where you kind of saute them in butter. You soak them in lemon juice. And they're good, but it takes too much time. Yeah, it's a long time. I was just more going for, I had six frogs that I siphoned.

And I sat right there and ate every one of them this morning. And so I wanted to say I'm feeling a bit froggy. But to get back to the plagues, I guess they said which plague was it? And I guessed it six, which they all said I was wrong. They said it was five. I never actually looked it up. You never verified. I cracked stuff. Can get on that. Which plague? What number? I guessed it was the frogs.

I should know. Leg of frogs. There it is. Exodus 8. Well, we need to know what number, so you'll probably have to find that. I could probably do it from the back end. But to answer your question, I just always seem like that was out of place because I thought...

You know, there's different kinds of frogs. It was two? Well, they were wrong, too. What were they doing rebuking me? Oh, it's the second. Yeah, the plague of blood and the plague of frogs. Because it could... Remember, it was the one that could be reproduced. The blood and the frogs, the magicians reproduced it. Now, how did they reproduce that with the frog? I think it... You know what they did? They found a bunch of people like me. They went and caught them. And then they...

No, I think they had some kind of demonic power. I think they were tapped into something. Well, we're going to get into that when we get to John 10. Yeah. But I've been studying some weird stuff that we'll get into in John 10. Because Jesus quotes Psalm 82, which I didn't know Psalm 82 is like...

In the religious world, it's like a battleground for all kinds of thoughts. But we'll get to that. But it would be a good thing. Well, Jay's dropping the teasers today. Well, I'm saying to jump ahead before we get there so you're not completely blindsided, like which plague was the frogs. You know what I gave them a lesson on when they asked me that and I didn't know the answer? And maybe it was pride. I don't know. But I kind of think.

Maybe not. I said, don't get consumed with the order of the plague. Get the point of it, which is my whole point about the Bible itself. Any filtering system that does not include Jesus at the center of it, which was the plan all along,

it's a faulty system, you know? So I was like, I'm really, I know it was a plague. Didn't you tell, say at one time, because you had looked this up, that they were like bullfrog, like our kind of frog, but it wasn't like toads, right? Yeah, I looked it up. I can't remember. I remember at one time on the podcast, we talked about this years ago, that it wasn't like bullfrogs,

In my mind, it's like thinking a bunch of toads. Whatever rabbit hole went down, I concluded that they were edible frogs. Which for you, Jason would have been the only guy in Egypt that did not receive that as a plague. My first would have seen that. You would have received that as a gift. Thank you, Lord. Well, that's what they are. I keep dropping that Leviticus 17, 11, because they...

He turned it around on them. They thought, oh, we're giving our animals up as a sacrifice because we make mistakes. And he's like, no, those are gifts from me. And it puts everything...

to me, in perspective, because Jesus ultimately is the gift of God. But so are the animals that we're supposed to lord over, which is why we now have a frog season. That would have been much worse with the gnats, because that just gets down. Well, that's me. I mean, these gnats are a problem. But my first reaction to the frogs would have been, grab a toe sack.

and some peanut oil 350 degrees yeah i mean ready to fry it's happening the frog probably they are delicious but i mean look it's been a while since i've had a wild caught one though there's places that sell them but they're not near the farm we don't do frog legs anymore i probably would try that well one of the little kids he he was you know scared to touch the frog and i was like it was just embarrassing

I mean, the yuppiness of some of that crew I was with last night was disturbing.

And I said, let me guess. There's been a lot of tantrums up to this point. I was like, because you waited too. I mean, it's good that you brought your young son out here, but you waited too late. That's why you've had so much trouble. But so what I did was I was trying to get him to touch frog. I was like, what if I kiss this frog? Because he had watched enough, you know, Hollywood movies. Disney movies. He kissed the frog during the Prince. Yeah, and he was just horrified at the thought.

So I kissed a frog last night. But when I did that, it turned him into a prince because then all of a sudden he started petting the frog. He was like, I mean, if Jace will kiss him, it must be all right. And look, fast forward a couple hours, that little kid's on the front of the boat saying, let's go. Yeah.

Grabbing frogs. Yeah. So you saw the immediate power of being out in what God created. Yeah. It's like this is what we're supposed to do as humans. We're in charge of this. Yeah. It's a gift. Yeah, it was a wonderful, wonderful night. But there was a recovery time that was needed. I do want to say this because we actually had a frog hunting scene in our

duck family treasure show. Yeah. And, uh, we, we hunted the frogs in downtown Yuppieville, right at the foot of the college. There's a little stream there by you to zero. And, uh,

i'm guessing it's legal to hunt there but we did has that aired yet yeah that one has already aired and nobody said any we had permission so i guess the powers that be but i wanted to say that season four is out so it came out sunday the 15th yeah this past week june 15th yeah it's june this frog season so uh

And there's five new episodes out. So I think it's the first half of season four. Oh, they're good. They're...

I've said many times, I think it's the best show very few people have watched. They're going to get it at some point. But if, yeah, check it out because it's on Fox Nation. Yeah, and you're not late to the party because I think they're dropping one a week. They're going that. So you can binge watch a couple, which is what I like to do. I like to save them up and watch. I like to binge watch stuff. I won't watch TV for a while, then I'll get on something. Well, Willie and I, he came by the other night. Mom is staying in our condo.

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Evidently out in, what did Phil used to call the internet? Computer land. Computer land. There's some false, fake news. There's been a lot of fake news about mom. Because a lot of my friends have sent me texts. According to. Sorry to hear about your mom. Yeah. You know, I understand, you know. And I'm like, no, we just ate supper. She's doing really good. Well, what happened, Willie came over and we were talking about the new show, his show. Yeah.

And we were talking about how now television is so different. It's hard to... People are still looking at it the old ways with the ratings and overnights and all this stuff, but people don't watch TV like that anymore. It's hard for them to even find networks. So we can have Yuppieville. That's been my whole row in there. I'm not supposed to divulge secrets, but...

I think you can pretty much figure out if I'm involved, I am the de-yuppifying aspect of the show. Which is a theme that runs through it, which is good. I mean, gee whiz. So Willie was over there and he said, well, he said, well, this whole thing with mom, it was my fault. I did it. I started it because I was like, well, I've read things.

things that you supposedly said. I've read things that Jay supposedly said. But what happened was he was doing a local interview about his new show.

And the guy, who's a guy we all know, he was just like, hey, how's your mom? Like, just, of course, Willie, I said, Willie, you know, even friends, when you're talking to somebody who is a reporter, you know, they're going to say something. So he just said generally, well, you know, she's not in great health. And, you know, this thing's been really hard on her with dad. And so he just made a general statement about her health. Which could define someone at almost 80. Most people, I mean, generally, let's face it.

You got some struggles once you get close to that number. Exactly. And so, but she's really...

and doing fantastic. Like she's been walking up the steps to my house. I mean, she's doing things I didn't know that she would do. Well, compared to six months ago. Yeah. That she was fantastic. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. She looked good before I left. You said she's walking up your stairs. Walking up my steps. I told her, I said, mom, you're working up a Gulf Shores trip. But, but so Willie, we had a lot of laughs as you can imagine. And he's really good with mom. Cause he's always needling her about that. But when I left to come here today, Jason was so funny. Cause I,

Mamaw Jo, who is Corey's grandmother, who lives in between me and Jay, she's in the larger compound. She's 94 years old.

Well, yeah. And we've talked to her before. She's a wonder. I told her today, I said, Manuel Joe, we talk about you on the podcast because I said, you are a wonder. She's 94 years old. She drove up there and she's sitting with mom. So I was laughing. I walked up and I said, okay, Manuel Joe, you came for a visit? She said, well, I just wanted to come sit with your mom for a while. I said, so we got a 94-year-old Manuel Joe sitting with a 77-year-old mom. I said, we talk about you all the time that you're a wonder.

And she said, oh, honey, it's 90% genetics and 10% makeup. That's all it is. Well, Warren Buffett is 94, and he just stepped down, I believe, as the head of Berkshire Hathaway. I mean, I think 94 years old.

Rolling like that, that's pretty impressive. It is. It's rare. It is. But Mammo Jo, I mean, look, she was one of the reasons I grew in the Lord, just because I thought this woman, I mean, she is a very godly woman. She's amazing. Very strong. Full of class and character and a great imager of the Almighty God. Yeah. She's an amazing woman. I love her to death. And some of our tomfoolery, you know, she ain't much on that. Yeah.

And she'll tell you. Well, it's a good thing, Al. Yeah, I know. We need checks and balances. We need people checking us online, calling us narcissists. Narcissistics. Al, get past it. I did. I started before you walked in. I said, I want to tell you. I told Jill that story that Al was called a narcissist. And it bothered him a little bit. And she said...

He is the least narcissistic person I know. Thank you, Jill. So Jill, to your defense, Al, she... She's one of my favorite people. And then I told her that Jay's continuing to rib you, so she thought that was funny, though. Yeah, I do want to tell you guys again about Hayjack, by the way. Hayjack.com, we are launching this site...

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You know, Jesus in John 10, 34, I believe, quotes Psalm 82, which is going to lead you back to Deuteronomy 4. So I'm giving you some pre-reading, which I've read through Deuteronomy 4 before.

But because you get into this, I'll make a statement that's going to come out, this God against the gods. Psalm 82 seems to imply, some people have labeled this in their world. What is Zach's world? What do we call the people like that in his world? In the apologetic world. They deemed a phrase called the divine counsel. And it's basically, they get it from Psalm 82, that,

which is like God has a celestial family who had roles of guarding humanity, I guess, or helping humanity. I don't know how the phraseology that they all use. And so we'll go through that. But the fact that Jesus quoted Psalm 82,

I think makes us, compels us to actually do a breakdown of it. And you probably won't hear that on many podcasts because, boy, it's... It's a doozy? Yeah, it's eye-opener. You don't hear too many sermons on Psalm 82. And you can go ahead and read Psalm 89 with it and Psalm 115.

Because they seem to be talking about the same thing, whatever that is, this idea of the celestial world. Which you've got to remember, last podcast, you said to read the book of Job. Yep. Well, the book of Job contributes to all this. Yeah, it does. Because here you have a celestial being. Right, the first two chapters, yeah. Yeah, that's like roaming to and fro, looking for humans out of place. And then having these conversations with the Almighty. Yeah.

And it's like, what? Yeah, so that's the picture there. And just throw in verses like, you know, the one in Hebrews that says they're not angels. Masquerading. No, ministering spirits, you know, to humans. So they had a role. Of course, the big question comes up. I know we're getting the cart before the horse, but we'll get there.

is, well, why does God need that? And he doesn't. But you realize that somehow God wants to share his authority, he wants to share his love, and in that spirit of who he is, these things develop. I mean, the evil one came from somewhere. So you read Ezekiel 28, and it kind of gives you a picture of how that happened. Now,

It's kind of cloaked in a prophecy about a king. I think of Tyre. But then all of a sudden, he starts talking about the garden and starts talking about the evil one who was hurled to earth. And so it gives you a picture of that. But you know that the evil one was a created being. He's a spirit being.

That is at work in those who are disobedient. That's Ephesians 2, 3. So these sons of God that are referred to in Psalm 82 seem to give the impression that

that this celestial family that were created for a purpose, when they did not want to do their function, just like humans, when humans don't want to function for the purpose that God gave them, we have problems. Sin takes place, rebellion takes place, and this spirit actually works within the spirits of humans and humans

You get the first 11 chapters of Genesis. It's a fall of man, but then they bring in Genesis 6. Well, there's a fall of these celestial beings who got hooked up with the humans, and the result was we had a flood because it really became evil. And then you had Genesis 11 happen. And that's where the Deuteronomy 4 comes in because it ties in with Psalm 82. And then you say, why is Jesus quoting that?

Well, I think that's significant because what is John 10 really about? You know, it starts off with, you know, I am the gate. I have a pen. My sheep, I have sheep. They know me. They know, but there's a thief that comes in and tries to steal. Well, so he's giving you this big picture of, you know, there's two kingdoms at work here, those who rebel against God and those who have, you know,

surrendered to the true one and only God. And so among those who rebelled against God, there's these gods, and I'm using them in quotations because that's what he's using. It's gods with a lowercase g. Elohims, little gods, not Yahweh. But it's the same word used for God. I mean...

So that's where this gets kind of tricky. But we're going to get into all that, but that's a good preview. But you're right, and you're right to go there, because this is an early version of what he's going to get into more in depth in chapter 10 and chapter 9. And I mentioned it on the last podcast. This is called, in theology, divine retribution. The same idea. And a lot of people have misunderstood that there's always been good and evil as if they were...

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about the gods, whether they're celestial fallen beings, then they get it hooked up into idolatry, which is all over the place in the Old Testament and the New Testament. I mean, the last verse of 1 John 5, which when we get to 1 John, it'll make more sense once we go through all this. I mean, the last thing he says is keep yourself from idols.

And the reason I'm bringing this up is because it addresses this whole light and darkness, and it addresses verses that are very hard to wrap your head around, like they cannot see. Even though they hear, they cannot see. Even though they...

What was the verse say where it says they cannot understand? They even though they claim to see which we're fixed to get into in John 9. Well, all those phrases come up in these verses. It's because you have set yourself up a God that is not the one true God. Right. And then you're being influenced by.

By celestial beings that are not the holy God. They were created by God for a purpose, and now they've influenced you by idols, and you serve created things, and that's why you can't see it. It makes your function, I think this is the key phrase, the purpose that God had for you and the celestial beings, when that doesn't happen, well, you can't see it.

The truth, because you're hooked up on a lie. And it basically comes back to that truth versus lie, God versus gods, idols versus the true God, darkness versus light. And that's why you're just unable, because in your mind, you think this is God. Yeah.

And you're bowing down and worshiping created things rather than the creator. Yeah. And so those verses make more sense once you kind of look at it from the big picture of those who rebel, those who surrender. And it's also the power of, I mentioned this in my podcast, the last podcast we talked about my sermon, the power of choice, because you have to choose wills here as well. And there was a choice before us.

In that realm, we know that because we know Satan made a choice. At one time, he was a beautiful...

you know, being and followed God. He was the first worship leader. Exactly. I mean, really, if you think about it. Yeah, very powerful. But all this conversation makes what he did on the cross and the resurrection even more powerful because not only, we tend to only think, well, he died for my sins, you know, and one day I'll live again. Way more happened than that because he defeated all these powers that were against him and used stuff like death, which was the result of sin. Yeah.

to have control over people, you know, over their fear of death. Think Hebrews 2, you know, why he became a human. And it helps define what, you know, which is hard to define from Greek and Hebrew to English, what the Bible translates the sinful nature or the flesh. I think the flesh is a better translation. But, and we'll get into that today here in John 9. But it kind of helps you wrap your head around

Like the human condition and why God came down and the powers that are against us. And all that is tied into some of these quotes that he does from the book of Psalms. But it's also, we've mentioned this before, it's also illustrated so well, like in marriage. I did a wedding this past weekend.

And any time I have a young couple in front of me, I always go back to the basics of beginnings, which you see first in Genesis. But it's the same concept. When you make a decision, and you're telling the whole world, in that case, they were standing before their family and friends, and God Almighty and me as an officiant, and you're saying, I'm willing to give my will to another person. Mm-hmm.

I mean, we're going to now exist as one. We are two people with our own will, our own mindset, but we are now saying we're going to join that together. I mean, you think about it, it's one of the most submissive things we can do on this earth. Other than giving our submission to Christ, you know, it's the only other thing we do at this level. But you see the power of it, and you see it when it works well. And so the conversations I've been having with my own mother these last few days are

have been around what happens when that uncouples

And you struggle with the idea because you spent, mom spent 60 years in that sort of relationship with dad. She did. And now all of a sudden she's, she's like a ship that's adrift. Like she's trying to figure this out. You know what? What is, she said, I just, I just, sometimes when I, when I wake up, I just think that he's just standing there and he's just looking at me. Yeah. You know, and you realize it's, that's the power of what happened. So they were one, they were one. And so the idea, which is a beautiful picture, uh,

of what it looks like with our relationship with Christ. It was no wonder he said, it's a bride and a bridegroom. When we get to John 10, he's going to talk about the I and the Father are one, but I think the oneness of what we're talking about is key. And going to Jason's point about Psalm 82, and then also Deuteronomy 32 is a big part of this as well. But it's the idea that heaven...

and earth at one time, if you go back to Eden, heaven and earth were not separated like it is today. Heaven and earth were together. So Jesus, and to your point, to the matching and the merging of wills, what was Jesus' prayer when he taught us how to pray? That, Lord, your will be done on earth.

Where? Just like it is in heaven. So it's saying merge the wills. Oh, no, you're right. Because when I read Deuteronomy 4, it's amazing how many times he used what you just said in that whole chapter.

Of course, because I went to Psalm 82, which led me to Deuteronomy 4, Deuteronomy 32. And all of a sudden, I'm like, all this heaven and earth stuff is all over the place in Deuteronomy 4. It just keeps coming up, keeps coming up, keeps coming up. So I think you get a description of really the plan of God there. This is the original plan. This is how heaven and earth was supposed to be, however you want to say it, interlocked, connected, the presence of God. Yeah, connected.

He wants to dwell with humans, which is why even in the celestial world, same concept. It's a family. You call it the divine council, but I would call it the divine family. That's why it says sons of God in Psalm 82, which Jesus was making the point that

Well, you don't have a problem with that. And now I'm saying I'm the son of God. He gave him a verse, which is very confusing in Psalm 82. But he's like, well, he didn't have a problem when he wrote it there. And now I'm claiming to be the son of God. And you're like, oh, no, no, that's not possible. And there's a difference in Jesus being the son of God

And the celestial beings being sons of God, because you fast forward that, well, we're adopted as sons of God. Well, nobody has a problem with that. It's like, yeah, it's okay. So I just, I see a pattern there, which is why I dubbed that phrase. I kept saying somebody said the Bible's about God getting his family back, but when I actually looked that up, nobody said that. So I guess I said it. I'll take it. But...

Because I thought somebody said, well, who said that? Well, I thought I heard that. Maybe it was the Holy Spirit. Just own it. Well, I Googled it and I could find no one saying that. No one. That's when you know you may have had an original thought. Wait a minute. Did I actually come up with that? No. It's interesting. It's the Holy Spirit, you know? Yeah. If the overarching theme, though, in that getting the family back together, bringing heaven and earth together,

the temple motif is all the more important now because if the temple represents the mountain that meets God, going back to Tower of Babel, Genesis 11, they were trying to do that on their own. They were trying to build up so high that they could reach and touch God and make a name for themselves. And that was really kind of like indicative of

The real problem is that man trying to get to God because he's reversing the nature of how God operates. God comes to man and it's never the other way around. And so if you think of a temple as that place that's high up on the mountaintop, it's where heaven and earth are meeting. That's where this thing is actually accomplished.

So this talk about a temple and the reason why I think even in the last podcast, I think I mentioned this, or maybe a couple of podcasts ago at the end of John 8, he actually ends with the saying that he himself went out of the temple. He himself went out of the temple. All this activity that Jesus is doing in John is actually, it's in a temple. And I think it's important because he's,

He is establishing the new place where heaven and earth is going to meet. And right now, heaven and earth meet right here in the body of Zach Dasher, Jace Robertson, and Al Robertson, and anyone else out there who's listening that is under the lordship of Jesus Christ. You're a temple. Yeah. You're a temple. God's meeting. Heaven and earth are meeting there. It's so funny. My son called me last night. He was fixed to a Bible study. He was like, Dad, I mean, you're not going to believe this.

He basically, he went to 1 Peter 4 and started talking about the use of the word Christian. It's only mentioned three times, which I had just talked about that on an earlier podcast. But I couldn't even interrupt him because he was so excited. But it kind of led to the same concept. I mean, he talked probably 30 minutes, and I was like, oh, you got it.

He's like, I mean, this is exciting. What do you think about that? I was like, absolutely. I hung up the phone and I was like, what did y'all talk about? I was like, it didn't matter because my son calling me when he's 30,

on these nuggets of Bible study that has just inspired him and he can't wait to share it. I was like, that was good enough for me. I was like, but it was the same rabbit holes that I've gone through through the years, you know, about that kind of concept, you know.

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I think about like just practically what that, I think that a marriage analogy is like so good. Cause what, like, what are we, what are we really trying to do as Christians or disciples, whatever phrase you want to use, uh, apprentices. I've heard that it really is to, to somehow mold, have my will be molded into the will of God, like to align, to line that up to where over time, uh,

that my connection with the Holy Spirit is like, would be akin to your mom's connection with Phil, where it's like, where it's just saying, I'm not me. Right. I'm not me without him. Yeah. And even more so. I mean, I think that's the thing. Like, I'm here, you know, away from Jill. Every time I travel and Jill and I are apart, I always get back, like, I do not like being away from you. I don't feel, it's just something feels off. And so I think...

That's the kind of intimacy and more so that Christ is calling us into. And the reason why he died, it's not just to pay for our sin. It's so that we could be in that type of relationship with him. Yeah, exactly. Which is why they were...

you know, having this opposition because they were not looking at it from God being in an intimate relationship. And that's why, again, marriage is a good illustration because we know marriage is not easy. It's hard. It's like there's a lot of opposing things that happen, which is why I think he uses this picture in John 9 of this guy born blind to make his point. Because remember, he says, look,

The reason why is because God's word is going to be displayed in that which we see as flawed. But God doesn't look at it that way. God looks at his will being done in a completely different way than we do. So we look at somebody, Jason, you and I both met a guy over at Gateway Church when we spoke over the years ago. Yeah.

and he's in a wheelchair, but he's one of the most dynamic, amazing people we've ever met. You had just been there, and then I met him, and we were like, see, from his perspective, it doesn't matter that he's in a wheelchair. In other words, God is using me to impact, and it's hard. Life is hard. We have things we have to, we have opposition. We have all these different things. Who can barely speak, and you can barely understand him, and he's one of the most vocal people

ambassadors of the Lord God. And has led many, many people to Christ. So the work of God is being displayed in his life, which is the point that we get to. So let me set it back up, and then we'll read at least the first 12 verses for this podcast. Exactly. Because you don't want to spend a whole podcast talking about what you're going to talk about. And yet we do this quite frequently. So Zach mentioned at the very end, I think this was the thread when he said in 856,

uh your father abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day so he brings in the idea that somebody that lived 2 000 years ago is seeing something 2 000 years later so i think that sets it up and then he said they said well you can't have seen how did he see you you're crazy what is wrong well and to the point i brought up when does abraham come and come on to the scene

Just think about this. Genesis 12. Well, and what just happened? Everything I just said, Genesis 1 through 11. You had the fall of man. You had the fall of these celestial beings in Genesis 6. You had the flood. Then you had the Tower of Babel, which what were people saying?

They got hooked up with the celestial beings that fell, and they're like, we're going to make our own city. We're going to reach up to God, which was the whole point of whatever that word for the tower was that they used. I forgot what the word was. But it was the idea of we're going to God, and we're going to do our own thing. We're going to make our own decisions about good and evil. And all of a sudden, God says, hang on.

I'm going to choose this couple over here who are not able to have kids and allow them to give birth to a nation.

which then the nations are divided because of the result of Genesis 11. And Deuteronomy 4 is all about this. And now he tells you why he chose a nation among the nations, that they would shine the light on the true living God. And bring the other nations back in. But even before he did that, he went to a guy who was 75 years old and established and living in his own compound, and he said, I need you to go to a place where,

And I'm not going to tell you where it is. I'll tell you when you get there. Yeah. So he had to submit his will to God Almighty even to start the process. Yeah. Which is my point, though. They're saying we're Abraham's descendants. And he's like, before Abraham was, I am. It's like, that was my plan. He's a part of my plan. Yeah. Not only is he a part of my plan, I'm the one who chose Abraham.

him to give birth to the nation that you now claim to be a part of. I was the guy. I'm the one that was there. It's me. I'm the one. Oh, by the way, if anybody knows Abraham, I know Abraham. And by the way, he was incapable of giving birth without my power. Which we was 100. We talked about being 94. Now, Memo Joe has a kid. Yeah.

Okay. Now, yeah. Now we're talking. Now we're listening. But think about that. Think about that, though, because as we move into John 9...

The point, what's the point of the blind man story? Because it ain't, that's his point. I'm choosing the people to display myself in that it's always going to be the things that you, where you never expect it. I'm going to call Abram to give birth to a nation, even though he's way too old to do it. I'm going to call Joseph, who was not the guy of any of those kids that you would think would have turned out to be the second in command of Egypt. I'm going to take Moses, a guy with a speech impediment,

to lead Israel out of Egypt, I'm going to take, I mean, just go down and do the math. I'm going to do, I'm going to. Well, even Noah was, you know, out there, seemed like a crazy man. It's always like the people. I'm going to build a boat 100 years later. Oh, oh, oh, probably the climax would be, oh, and when I incarnate into a human being, I'm actually going to put myself in

into a baby and a completely helpless baby and I'm not going to be born of noble birth. The people are trying to kill. The people are going to try to kill. I'm going to be a carpenter when I live in a human body. Oh, and then I'm going to pick 12 disciples, some fishermen, a tax collector, a zealot. You know, I mean. It kind of, when you hear it like that, you start to kind of get the idea, I don't think he needs us to do what he's going to do. I mean, even I'll throw my dad in there. It's like, you know.

You're going to take this fruitcake and bring many to the Lord? Let me ask you all a question because we've all done ministry. If you were going to build a church, and after all the years of ministry that we've done, and someone said, here's someone that's extremely talented. They are gifted in the most incredible ways in ministry, more than you can ever imagine. And here's a dude.

That all I can tell you about him is he is submitted to the Holy Spirit and sincere in his love for the Lord. Who do you take every time? Well, you wouldn't take this beggar. He just wouldn't be on the list. And I think that's part of the irony of this story is you kind of realize here's a guy blind from birth. So what does that mean?

He's a beggar. So probably no formal education, no social status whatsoever. Probably ostracized from society. He was definitely ostracized. Oh, yeah. I mean, here he is. Well, they were blind to him being valuable. Right. So that's why when you bring up what you were fixed to read, when they said, well, whose fault was this? Because even the question itself says this guy's worthless. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that's unfortunate. So whose fault was it? Because what is he worth? Right. Really? And the reason I challenge you guys to read the book of Job is because it's 40 chapters of what Jace just said in one sentence. Of the friends of Job saying, you did something wrong.

You did something. You did something. You did something. I mean, it's over and over and over. Well, you know what? It must be this. No, it's a great analogy for what's going on. And you phrased it somewhere that I saw where this sin is passed. And it comes from when God gave them, here's the blessings and here's the curses for following me. So that mean, they took that to mean if anything bad happens to you,

Well, you're cursed. Here's what I say. It's in the notes. Every good deed is rewarded by God with a blessing. Every bad deed is rewarded by God with a curse. Yeah. That's the mindset. And look, the sad thing is there are many of you listening that still believe that. Yeah.

And it's not true. I'm just going to go ahead and give you a spoiler alert. It goes back to Jesus being the suffering servant, him being the anointed one, despite a position of suffering, which is why he came into the world. Yeah.

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Not that God's oblivious to suffering. He entered the suffering world and suffered for the suffering of the world and the powers that contributed to that suffering. And then later on, the first Peter four, which is what my son was talking about. He's like, don't be surprised.

at this painful trial that you are suffering because you're doing it. You're being persecuted or suffering because of the name of Jesus. And then it goes on to say, if you should suffer, it shouldn't be as a meddler or a murderer. So he says there's types of suffering. Oh, sure. And there's consequences. Absolutely. You go out there and do things that are wrong or you're a victim of somebody else. We constantly bring curses on ourselves.

But there is an idea of suffering that God enters into that we are then anointed into by the Holy Spirit because we have his spirit in us that is going to bring suffering to your life. That's right. Somebody said something to me one time that was really convicting because I was going through a period of suffering, and I had interpreted that season as –

punishment from God on me for some kind of lack of faithfulness, which honestly, you can look at any point in my walk with Christ and find spiritual unfaithfulness and me lacking. I think everybody has thought that before. You have it. And I was sharing it with one of my buddies, a guy named John Lemp, and

He said, well, that's the inverse of the prosperity gospel. I know you don't believe in the prosperity gospel, which is basically you give money to, you tithe enough and God re-blesses you back with prosperity. Well, I'll just rule that one out. Anything involving money, Jesus didn't have any money. He had to borrow a coin to do an illustration. Well, yeah, but I mean, most of us would probably deny the prosperity gospel, but he said, but what you're saying is the same thing, that because you didn't perform well enough that now God's punishing you

Now, he does discipline those that he loves. Absolutely. You know what I mean? But it's not like... He raised 12. Yeah, I don't think it's... But in my mind, I'm thinking, I didn't do a good enough job in something, so now I'm almost like karma, which is not biblical. But I think that's... But it's based on the same thing. But that's what's kind of going on here, though. Exactly. Well, when he makes the statement, when he said, neither this man nor his parents sinned, so he just...

To cause this. And I'm sure you... He's not saying they never say it. He didn't list number three, four, five, or six, but it's implied because his answer, I think, is so profound. And I've never heard anybody say this, but I'm going to say it. Because when he says, but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. So hold it.

And just think about what I'm fixed to say. Shouldn't that be true for every human born? Correct. Yeah. There's a functionality that God has a purpose for us that is missed. That applies to every single life. Yes.

You're born so that the work of God might be displayed in your life. That's the point he was trying to make. He didn't say, oh, you're so wrong in that. I mean, he did answer the question saying, no.

this man didn't say that did not cut. That's enough for me. He didn't have to explain it any further. What is the real purpose for being born so that the work of God might be displayed in your life? That's it. And it's exactly, by the way, what God told Job in 38, 39, 40, 41. Job was like, well, I don't get it. And you know what God said? You don't have to. If you trust me, here's what I've done. And it's four chapters of the works of God.

And then at the end of that, he says, Job says, okay, I repent. I've sinned. I now have sinned because I doubted you. And he says, blessed are you. And then he said, your friends are idiots. I mean, he didn't say it exactly that way, but that's what he says. And that's the idea. You said it earlier. We're not God.

And we can't be him. Yeah. And he doesn't need us to be him. He needs us to trust him and to listen to him. It's like a line from a movie one time. The guy said, you know, it must be hard to be right about everything. And this woman says, oh, you have no idea. And I thought, that's exactly what happens when we think we know it all. Well, I wanted to say, because I teased it last podcast, that somewhere...

In our study in the religious world, somebody concluded that you're born into sin. And this is one of the verses I use to say, look, there's a difference being born with what the Bible translates the sinful nature or the flesh. I prefer the flesh. I think most translations use the flesh. And just to give you an example of that, and the reason I'm saying I use this verse is

Because I do think that everyone is born a God, I mean, so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. But so you read Galatians 5.19, and it says, the acts, but key word there, acts. Look that up in the Greek and see what it means. It's deeds, work, decisions. It's something you do. The acts of the sinful nature or the flesh are obvious, evident,

And then it gives a list there. Sexual immorality, impurity, debauchery, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions. So then you put a baby in their little bed and you look at them.

You're just not seeing these acts. And so that's probably the redneck argument. But what I wanted to say is that word flesh or sinful nature, if you do a Greek rabbit hole on the word, here's what you'll find, which I found fascinating. It's the same word that when it says the word became flesh, same word. So you're like, well, evidently,

It can't be all negative or Jesus wouldn't have done it. But I wanted to give you one more. But you just summed up a huge argument that's all throughout the first century. Gnosticism was about the flesh that has to be bad. Well, and if you're having trouble with this... He's done it with a minute and a half left. Well, but I want to read this...

Right at the end of the podcast, you have now opened up. That's your lead. You buried the lead. I teased it. I teased it, and I wanted to address it. But if you're having trouble with this, because people teach that, and people say, oh, that must be true because the pastor taught it. Read Hebrews 2 because it's all about Jesus becoming a human, and he explains that.

Becoming a human is not sinful. Jesus became a human. Do not attach that, even though somebody put sinful nature, which led you to believe, oh, just because humans are all going to sin doesn't mean that when you became a human, you were sinful. But I want to give you another place, because this one... But the Bible does say, surely I was sinful at birth.

I explained that on the last podcast, you know, because he thought, how could I have done this? I must have been sinful at birth. But it's like a lot of like the advice Job's friends gave him. Yes.

People will go and quote those verses. Which, by the way, they're in the Bible, but God said at the end, they're idiots. Don't listen to them. Everything they just said, there's about 30 chapters. God said, all wrong. That's right. And you tell people that, and it makes them uncomfortable. It's like, is the Bible wrong? I'm like, oh, it's full of wrong statements all over the place. Read the book of Job. They gave one bad philosophy after another. That's right. And these, you know...

Saturday night preachers are like, oh, I found this nugget in Job. This is what we should be following. But I want to read this before we close because you know where else this sinful nature slash flesh is used? Luke 24, after his resurrection, this is crazy. He says, they were startled thinking they saw a ghost. Remember, this is 24 in verse 33.

He said to them, why are you troubled and why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself. Touch me and see. A ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see I have. Same word. Yeah. So I'm just... What was that verse? That's Luke 24 and verse 39. My only point is...

We were created to display the work of God. Due to our own selfishness and the powers that be who tell us these lies, we sin. It is inevitable. All sin. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But be careful in not distinguishing what that means because you'll turn out like these men. Oh, who sinned? Right.

I think it's a point that should be noted. It is, and it's a good place for us to pick up next time we come back. It's act left like I did the last podcast. Maybe the emergency nature calls. We'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.