Ep 1119 | Phil Robertson's Final Goodbye Left Missy with a Gift She Never Expected
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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed Podcast. Al is out, but we have upgraded with Missy and Jill. Welcome, ladies, to the Unashamed Podcast. Thank you. I love Missy's quote. She said it before we started recording. She said, I'm having a hard time following Jace this morning, and I'm supposed to be the one that understands him.

That right there, we could do a whole podcast just on that statement. That's dumb. Well, she's been throwing a few haymakers this morning. She just told me that a joke is not funny because I told a joke. Because what happened was when Zach and Jill came on, they were there for a minute. And it really wasn't a joke, babe. I was being serious. But you thought it was a joke. No, no, I didn't. And then, well, you didn't laugh. No.

And then all of a sudden, they went away, and a picture came up, and it was them in front of a fireplace with some other guy. But it was a still photograph. But we could hear your voices, and I said...

Yep. It's an image of them. We hear the voice and we know we're in their presence, but we're only seeing an image. It's like, it's kind of like we're imaging the creator in his presence. And Missy said, if you got to explain the joke, then it's not a, it's not funny or it's not. I've been told for the past 35 years of marriage. She said that you have to explain the joke. But then I was like, well, it really wasn't a joke.

Well, I do want to hear something of that. One thing I do want to hear your perspective, Missy, on, because we heard a story about some bats at your house. Before she explains that, there's a part two to that story that has yet to be revealed. Oh, yeah. It continued. It continued. The saga continued. It continued. Now, I'm not sure the timing. You'll have to give the details. So I told the story about the bats.

coming through the fireplace, which we think, but that's still... Oh, no, no. I saw them coming out of the fireplace. You saw a couple come out. And we removed... I had the count at 14. But then how later did the next chapter begin? So the next day when he went to come on the podcast and talk about those 14, when he got home from the podcast, we had two more that he rid the house of.

And they came in about dark, which is when bats fly. Thank you for that. Well, no, we just looked up.

It was 24 hours later. Well, I'm trying to get the timing for our audience. You're explaining the obvious. Yes, bats fly at dusk. Which they come out at night. We were sitting there in the living room. Was I in there too? I think I just heard the screams. No, you heard the screams. I was in the kitchen. Oh, that's what it was. I was in the kitchen cleaning up the kitchen and-

They were flying around, and I started screaming. He was in the bedroom, and he came running, and he took care of those two bats. Whoa, whoa, whoa. The next day. Hold on, babe. See, she just said, I took care of the bats. Well, I don't know how detailed we can go into that. No. Here's how I— Did you have on the lacrosse gear, like the helmet? I had a helmet on, all that stuff. But what she's failing to disclose—

She left and bunkered herself in the bedroom. No, no, no. I went out. I just ran out the door because it was dusk. So there was still a little light outside. But as this was happening, darkness was getting really, really black. And so I didn't want to be standing outside either because I don't know where they're going. So I did at one point. Hey, you were on the back porch behind the outside windows looking in the house, too. So don't act like you were in there. You were.

I can see him all the way through the house out the back window, and he's out there looking inside. Babe, that's called a sniper view. I was assessing...

The situation. Well, I was also assessing so I could get to safety. So as soon as I realized they weren't flying, I ran through the house into the bedroom and shut the door and bunkered myself in there because we have our own air conditioning unit in there. So, you know, like I could live in there for a while. Okay. So now let me tell you what happened outside the bedroom. I got one out immediately with the aid of the dogs.

Long story, but I had the door open. So I get rid of one. Well, the other one, I didn't know what happened to, which is why I was perched outside. Because once they fly, then I can follow them, track them, see where they light, and then try to remove them. So that other one, I never could find. So I decided, helmet on.

Had all kind of defensive weapons, and don't think too long on that. I basically had a broom, a dustpan, and a stick. Like a big walking stick. I feel like they need to see this visual, our listeners, in some way. I think there's a picture some way that we can post. I have a couple.

Yeah, so she can send you what I look like. Do you have all of your stuff laid out? Like when you hear the scream, it's like, all right, you're suiting up. Well, I thought we were done, so I had to find all that. So that was a scramble. But they're still right now on one of our counters in the middle of our house, just in case we're not finished yet. We have not put up everything now because this story is quite lengthy. We'll give you the short version. So anyway, I...

She's bunkered. I decided to study for the podcast the next day, but I was, because I said, I'll just have to get out here and be a target, even though I did have a helmet on. And I'm studying. So about 11 o'clock that night, so now it's been, sunset's what, eight, three hours later, out of my peripheral, I see movement from behind the TV. Uh-oh. And he's on the chimney, uh,

you know, rock structure. And he's moving out to position. And I thought, there he is. Because I was thinking there's only two. And so he came out. And that battle lasted about 30 minutes. He was quite aggressive. And I finally got him out. And then...

Now, I don't know when the next saga happens. Okay, so then the next day... Next day. We are packed... So this is round three? This is round three. So the next day, we're packed, ready to go to the LSU Championship World Series, which was amazing, but...

We were ready to go. I had like all the laundries done. I was putting up all the food that we had. Like I wanted to have my parents eat our leftovers from last night. So I'm kind of helping them with that. I'm pouring food into containers, cleaning the kitchen, walk out of the kitchen, come back in five minutes later to wash a glass out. Yeah.

And there is a bat laying in the sink in the middle of the day. Like a frog. It was just laying there in the bottom of the sink. And I turned the water on to wash out my glass. And then I saw it and...

fled the scene, water is running, dropped the glass, started screaming bloody murder. Well, that started right off the bat, the scream. Oh, the screaming. You had that in the wrong order. Sorry, I don't know. But that was the indication to him to come running with the stick. So that was the last one. Did he put the helmet back on? No, no, look, I didn't have the stick at that point. I just went in because I thought, you know, they've been flying around for days here now.

And I'm like, well, why is she screaming? She didn't give me any details. I mean, she's like, it's in the sink. But I thought, that don't make sense. But I looked in that sink and it was the biggest one to date was in that sink. Which told me that it had been in the house for a while and it was thirsty. Oh, my God. You know, it was dying of thirst. Are you thirsty? And that bat, yeah, went to the sink.

So you've tried to call a professional. You're telling me there's just no professionals? No, nobody does bat, babe. I've called outside of your presence and knowledge. I have tried to get people who say they're professional pest removers to come address these bats, and they have all declined. They don't do bats.

I mean, this sounds like a new opportunity for you, Jace. No, no, no. Like bat commander. Who said that?

Tara, our friend who watches Unashamed all the time, she will be so happy I just said that. I can see it. She said, you're now the new bat, the bat commander. Well, he's not doing a great job at it, though. The bat man. Oh, no. I mean, the bat man. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Zach, he's 17 for 17. I've removed all bats outside of the house. Carefully, surgically. No choice but to be 17 for 17, or I would not be here. Oh.

Exactly. I'm defending my wife here. I'm defending the sanctity of marriage. He did tell me the first day, I mean, I was screaming. When they're flying at your head in your living room,

I have one defense mechanism, screaming. I learned that about myself at 54 years old. I didn't know I had that because I'm usually not that way. I'm usually calm when things are happening like that with my children and all that. I can handle things. When a bat is flying at your head in your own home with teeth bared, I'm screaming bloody murder because that's my only defense mechanism. Maybe if they hear me, they'll fly a different way.

But I've learned that. And I stuck it out for the first seven bats. I stuck it out in the house trying to help him find them with a blanket covering my head. After number seven, I said, that's it. I'm out. I can't do this. I'm not built for this. No, I'm so sorry. I can't help my husband.

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You got a little reprieve in Omaha. That was probably nice. Well, that's what, when he got rid of number 17, he said, babe, are you ready? I said, I would rather be sitting at the airport. Let's go. But now it's all, look, I figured it out. I had a vision. I mean, call it a dream. I woke up this morning and it all made sense. And so I haven't shared this with you. Oh, no. But, and I thought back to the plagues.

In my dream. That's how the dream started. You know, you had the frogs and the locusts and the gnats and the sea was turning blue. And then I, so when I woke up, I thought, and the dream was weird because it was all about the LSU game. But so when I woke up, I wasn't thinking about the dream. I thought about the dream's meaning. And then it hit me. Wait a minute. This all happened right before we went to the LSU game. And I thought, bats.

We went where young men use bats. And guess what? When the bats were first in the house, we had the doors open and the flies came in. These are men with bats that hit big flies, also called home runs. And I thought, we were supposed to be...

In Omaha. This is quite the stretch. And if we had doubted that, we were looking at all the signs. They were all right there before us. That's prophetic. There's no question about it. I feel like Daniel would interpret that in the exact same way. Well, can I underscore something? Because right after LSU won, I think it was on Tuesday. Did they play Tuesday? Yeah.

On Monday night or Tuesday night? No, they played Monday. They beat Arkansas. Then they played Wednesday. Wednesday? Yep. They played UCLA. Babe, don't question me on the baseball game. I was saying, it was my first day. I took a little man to swim lessons. So I'm sitting in the little waiting room watching it on my phone. Yeah.

And, you know, can't share it with anybody because I'm usually watching it together. I think it was Tuesday. But that's okay. No, because it was Sunday. Yeah, it was Sunday they beat Arkansas. Well, I knew it had been a day in between. Anyway, not the point. Anyway, I'm sitting there, you know, watching it on my phone, cheering by myself. Thank you. I get home. We're reminiscing about what we saw, you know, on the game or whatever. And literally five minutes later, Jason went, bat, bat, bat.

And I was like, I was in baseball mode in my head. So I thought, oh, they must be taking batting practice or something afterwards. And he said, no, bat, bat. And I looked up and they're flying around. They're circling. And she's screaming. And I'm screaming, yeah, for sure. But, yeah, that's our batting practice. I only brought that up to say that I think a lot of people interpret like the book of Revelation just like I did going to Omaha.

And I was just saying, be careful when you do that. Y'all were supposed to be in Omaha. I think that's the point. Y'all were supposed to be there. It was a dream trip. And I'm a girl. I heard it was awesome. For my boys and Jace, and to get... We talked about this even last night to a couple who was at our house, but...

I mean, I was a little freaked out when we were there because I need a plan. I have to have a plan in order to function to my highest potential. I need a plan. And he is exactly the opposite. So when we showed up at the stadium, we were supposed to have tickets and they hadn't gotten to Cole's phone yet.

And Cole, who's, you know, super cool, laid back kid, let us know around five o'clock standing outside the stadium. Oh, I don't have those tickets yet. One hour before game time. I'm like, do what? Say what? People are going in. We're standing on the corner, you know. And what happened was they just didn't come electronically. Yeah, you know what's ironic about that? We were standing on the corner without tickets right beside a guy.

Who was selling. Yeah, they were scalping tickets. Well, they were buying and selling tickets. This guy was buying tickets so he could sell them. And we couldn't sell him our tickets because we didn't have any tickets. But we were standing on the street corner with him. That's another prophecy. But because Jace, who never gets on social, well, hardly ever gets on social media, decided to tweet that we were there.

He started getting some of his old contacts and LSU friends and just people that he's been in contact before. And the Raising Cane's guy, Todd Graves, some of his guys who know Jace and Jace knows them said, hey, you want tickets behind home plate? We have some for you.

At 5 o'clock. I'm sorry, what? At the same time that we realized that we didn't have tickets. Is that not true? Yes. We were discussing not having the tickets, and Jace's phone was going off saying, hey, I've got— Another prophecy fulfilled. First, he said, a couple of tickets. We've got a couple tickets. And I declined. No, no. It's all four of us, or we're not doing it, you know. And then he said, oh, okay, well, you can have four. That's all it took. Okay.

What? And so that's why we had... But it came at a price. I've never in my life... Well, how was the hotel room? I got to ask about the hotel. The hotel was great. But let me just tell you, for two boys that grew up playing baseball, that we sweated in 100-degree heat for years, watching baseball, to be sitting behind home plate with those two boys...

I looked at my boys, grown adults, who were so grateful and respectful and just thankful verbally to all these different things that were happening to us this weekend.

I thought, I looked at them and I said, in your wildest dreams when you were playing Little League ball, did you ever in your life think that you would be sitting right here at this exact moment watching your favorite team in sports history? And they said, no, we never ever dreamed that. It was a dream.

So, I'm sorry. That's my mom's perspective. That was amazing. It was amazing. But the hotel, Zach, you know, our plane was an hour late. All four of our planes, they were all an hour late. We did not get to our hotel room until after 1.30 a.m. And we went straight to, and they were like little suites. It was really nice. But we went to our bedroom, Jason and I, and the boys were in another room. And...

We were getting ready for bed and unpacking, kind of laying things out. We were so tired. And I just happened to walk into the living room, like looking for some water or something. And I looked over in the corner. I was like, that looks like a bouquet of flowers. And I was trying to find a light. We turned on the light. When we've turned on the light and saw the spread of goodies on that table, we're like,

I think it took a few seconds for us to realize, is this for us? Yeah. Purple and gold flowers. I think I said, did they do this for every LSU fan in this hotel? No, because the hats say Omaha Dynasty. That's what Threema said. How did they know we booked this hotel room? Why are you asking? Like, what is... Because...

She booked it through HeyJack.com. And so the people who had the software that do all this, who give you the savings, they call me. Jace thought I did it, which I wanted to take credit for because we deal with that. Oh, I called Bonnie. Bonnie didn't know. We called our guides. Oh, I thought Steve. Yeah, I thought he did it. And he said, I really want to say I did it. But he did it. But I didn't.

We were just so... Finally, Reed sent an Instagram message to the company who did the hats, and they're called Patched. Shop Patched on Instagram. And I'm saying that because they were awesome. They did an amazing job. And he said, how did we get these hats? They're amazing, awesome, and she...

she emailed or DM'd him back and said, we worked together with the hotel. The hotel reached out to us and we worked together with them and made this happen for y'all. And Reed was just, thank you so much. This is amazing. We never expected anything like this. Y'all are so nice. So by the way, they're coming to Faith Family Freedom this weekend. We invited them. Missy, I know you saved a good

A good bit of money on that hotel room. So I do want to remind everybody, by the way, just a few more days on Hayjack.com. We are giving away $500. So I'm going to show you. I'll sign up the next couple of days. Well, I wanted to say Missy had a conversation with the guy that hosted us and with one of his daughters. That kind of led to, I guess, you and Jill being here. Because we're in John Timber. We're fixed to be in John 11th.

And the conversation you had with them, because the number one thing, and I shared this in an earlier podcast because I wore the LSU jersey. We got the Ethan Fry jersey. And the number one comment we got on this trip, because we were just out there with the people, and there was, I don't know, 30,000 people there, was talking about my dad. And couldn't have been nicer. It was kind of moving. Yeah.

And even a lot of people who were just like in tears about it, saying the influence that spiritually had been made on their life through my dad just being unashamed, being a follower of Jesus. But I thought that conversation you had kind of fit in with where we're going to be in John 11 because here's Lazarus who dies and Mary and Martha were a little bit...

What is the word? That Jesus perturbed, I guess. Because they were like, well, here's this healer. And they make the comment, if you'd have been here, this wouldn't have happened. But you have an interesting take on that. And what we thought would be good in our Bible study is to kind of get a woman's perspective on this. Because there's the two main characters here. Well, there's, you know, outside of Jesus, there's three main characters. And one of them is dead.

But Mary and Martha, I thought you had an interesting take that kind of went in with what you said about Phil in his last few days that was very unique. So I was going to introduce that for you.

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basically the role of a woman versus the role of a man. And those were set up long, long, long ago. You know, America and the Western world, we're still fighting over that, what we think the role of a woman and the role of a man should be. But God, the Creator, set that up at creation. And when what you're referring to about, you know, what they're saying and why they're so upset is

While they're questioning, I think goes back to the role of a woman. And when Phil started showing signs of deteriorating rather quickly, you know, some decisions had to be made. And boy, I have a whole new perspective on the weight and responsibility that a child has in determining what's going to happen.

And Jace, fortunately, has, it's not just him alone. I have, I'm the only one, so I'm going to be doing this by myself. Jace has other siblings, so he could bounce things, you know, ideas off, they could bounce them off of each other. But, you know, we looked at every option available and tried everything we possibly could in terms of taking care of them personally,

hiring someone to be in their home, putting them closer to us, you know, in another house so that we could be with them more. And it just, we had to come to the realization, same with y'all, with your mom, Jan, that some professionals have to take care of them because they can't do it and we can't do it either. And Phil's dignity was really big for me.

Because he was just a commanding human. And I am not his child. I'm his daughter-in-law. And that was just big for me. I never wanted to see him in a way that would lessen his dignity or be disrespectful in any way. I just didn't want those memories. And so if he needed help, we would call an aide or Jace would help. But...

What I could do is I could bring him comfort through the recipes that he taught me for 35 years of my life. And so I even found this really awesome copper bowl at a flea market that I thought was beautiful, but it was so practical and functional that every, because we took them food every Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

And Jace would go in between sometimes and so would I. But every Monday, Wednesday, Friday, those are our nights. So whatever recipe I was cooking, I made sure I got it in that bowl because it worked. It was a three bowl system that was old. And I thought that they did things the right way years ago when they couldn't plug stuff in. You know, they figured it out.

And so it was hot, so hot sometimes. Oh, we'd have to wait. And Phil would just go in. So that corn on the cob, he's just going in on it, you know, and it's hot, so hot. We're afraid it's going to burn us. It was so funny because we would enter and Phil would immediately, no matter what his current condition was,

because this became a habit, he would just get up and go find a place to sit. I mean, he was so ready to eat whatever was in that bowl. It was like even if he was having trouble walking, I mean, he's like... He's always been important. Yeah.

Yeah. One time I was like, Phil, you want me to help you up? And he went, yeah. It was taking you so long. And it became a real honor for me. Like I would plan those meals for the week because I wanted to make sure I was bringing them something good. And they would start asking me what I was bringing next time and when that was and everything.

And I'll say this. Look, they were so good and Phil's response was so good that the aides that worked there saw that because, of course, they're having to deal with him 24-7. And the excitement was so extreme that the aides would say,

what exactly is the food in those bowls? Because they were seeing this response from him like, wow, this is the most excited we've seen him all day. And we wound up letting them have a taste test, some of the aids, on some of those foods. And they're like, we get it now. We get it.

Yeah, food's very, very important. But also, again, back to the dignity, I would pack a bag and put real plates in there, real silverware, like napkins. And just because, you know, when do you want to eat on paper plates with crawfish pie? You just want it to be like as good as possible for them. They're in a place they don't really want to be in, you know, but they just have to be. So, yeah.

Which I told Kay this the other day because she, on Father's Day, actually, she was with us. And she said, I mean, I'm having good days and bad days. And I said, actually, Kay, I've been super strong through this and not real emotional because we spent so much time with y'all the last few weeks that...

We saw it happening, and we were very ready for the physical part of this stage of Phil's life to be over. Like, we want him to go on because he would not want to live like this. And so we did everything we could to make him comfortable during those times and to bring him peace and some happiness and comfort. But we were ready, just like he was ready for him to go on. But...

I wasn't real upset when he passed. In fact, Mia had come home from college, so she had been up there every single day that last week. And Friday night before he died, he died on Sunday. Friday night, we just had some beautiful moments with him. And he was not responding. He was at a place where he wasn't responding. He didn't eat that night. That was the first night he didn't eat.

And Jace was out in the hallway with a couple of the aides. Mia was having a rough time. Mia was having a hard time. And Kay just...

kind of came out of a shell that she was in because Mia and I and Jace and even Kay were singing. Anna was there for a little bit and we started to sing some hymns and songs and Kay was trying to sing and she would get upset and stop singing. And Mia and I would keep singing and Jace would keep singing. After it was over, Mia got upset and Mia said, I want to say some things. I just don't know that I can.

And Kay said, well, let's pray. And she held our hand. We all were holding hands with Phil. And Kay went into the most powerful, beautiful, substantive, coherent prayer. It was like she was praying 20 years ago about...

Phil being a wonderful husband and father and grandfather, and we know where he's going, and Lord, take him. Give him peace and strength. Give us all peace and strength and comfort. It was amazing. So then I went in on it. I started praying, and then Mia said, I want to pray too, and she went in.

I wish that Jace would have been in there listening because she thanked the Lord in front of Phil, holding his hand for Phil being a grandfather that she admires, that she doesn't even think of him as a grandfather, but as a mentor and a friend that she can look up to. And she just thanked the Lord for his life and his influence on her life and so many of the people that he had in his life.

And then I'm just like, wow, this is just amazing. This was amazing. It was just an amazing moment. And then the next day, our family started coming, you know, because we knew that his hours were limited. And Reed had driven all night and got there at midnight that night and stayed with Kay. And he's talked about that here. But

I remember a moment on Saturday when we started getting like, he's in his last hours. If everybody wants to come up here and kind of have your last moments with him. And Mia said, I'm good. I said, me too, because we just had that wonderful blessing of being with him and with Kay so much during those last few days and weeks for me and Jace. But yeah,

I don't regret any of it. I mean, it was hard. It was sacrificial. It was challenging at times. You know, Phil really challenged Jace because he didn't like being there. You know, and when he would see Jace, he expected Jace to rescue him.

And when he saw me, I could calm him a little bit. So it was kind of good cop, bad cop, I guess, a lot of times. But it was just those were hard. Well, you brought the corn on the cob. That's why. Yeah. That was his number one favorite thing. She'd buy this fresh corn, which is delicious, wherever you're getting that. And Phil would tie into that, like he hadn't eaten in days. I think my point is, going back to Mary and Martha, is that the

The role of a woman, and look, 20 years ago, if you would have told Phil that I was going to be cooking for him, mostly his last few days of life, he would probably have thought, like, great. Oh, he would have said, I don't know. That's something to look forward to. He's like, she's come a long way from how long do I boil this egg before it gets soft. So true. So true. So true.

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It just like, it was a total honor to do that. And yeah, to work, I'm cooking at two o'clock in the afternoon. They're eating at 4.30. I mean, it's like a Seinfeld episode. You know, they eat at 4.30. Yeah.

And so you're planning all during the regular day of what to cook. But that is kind of the role of women that the Lord created for us is to help our husbands. And that was me helping my husband with his family. And that was through cooking and all. And so when I think about

Mary and Martha, and after I've studied some of this with the role of the women, it's been part of a mentorship program that I've been doing with some 20-something-year-olds, is helping them understand their role as a woman and how important it is to be that mom 24-7 and to be that wife 24-7. But if you back up to Luke 10, it's

38 through 42, that's where Martha and Mary were introduced before Lazarus was raised. So long before Lazarus died, a year, maybe two years before that, there's a story in Luke. That's five verses. That's it. Only five verses. Yeah.

And we can read them. Can we read them? Do we have time to read it? Yeah, I'll read it. Okay. I just happen to be here. As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. She had a sister called Mary who sat at the Lord's feet listening to what he said. But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made.

She came to him and asked, Lord, don't you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me. In 41, Jesus says, Martha, Martha, the Lord answered, you are worried and upset about many things, but only one thing is needed or an alternate is, but few things are needed. Mary has chosen what is better and it will not be taken away from her.

So, John 11 that y'all are fixing to get into. John, I mean, I know John. I know the book of John. I love the book of John. I love his perspective, John's perspective in writing this. And when he wrote that story in John 11, Martha came out first and met Jesus outside of the city and said, Lord.

And that's 1121. So a few verses later, he says, go get your sister.

Martha goes and gets Mary. Mary comes out, and what does she say? Why don't you read that? Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. All through my Christian adult life, I've heard about Mary and Martha. I've been taught about Mary and Martha, and I have been told or asked, which are you? Are you a Mary or are you a Martha? And I have chosen. I am a Martha, not because of anything to do with faith,

But it's because of my reaction to things. I'm going to take care of things physically before, probably even before I hug you. I'm thinking about how to feed you, where you're going to sleep that night, if my pillows are comfortable enough for you, is the air going to be on, and then, oh, welcome. I'm so glad you're here. That's the way my brain works is I want to plan and prepare and make sure that everything is going to be good for when you arrive.

What happened is when Jesus in Luke 10 showed up with 12 of his best friends and probably a couple of the women as well, so 14 or so, he didn't call ahead.

He just came in, knocked on the door like, hey, what's up, friends? So in that way, I... Just want to just kind of stop in and refresh ourselves. In that way, my personality reminds you of Jesus because I'm a show-off kind of guy. Yes, that is very true. Just trying to be like Jesus, babe. Trying to be like Jesus. That's right. Here we go. So...

So what I saw, once I started realizing from John 11 that their reaction, at least in the translation, was exactly the same word for word as John recorded it.

There was no difference that John showed in the faith of Martha versus the faith of Mary at all. But because of Luke 10, we're told that Mary had more faith than Martha because of the initial response.

And I just don't believe it. I started Googling sermons. I started researching like years and years of trying to figure out a different... Is there anyone that's teaching this differently? No, no one's teaching this differently. So I really started studying about it. And what made me think about this way is because...

of just traveling different third world countries. I've been to the Dominican, Mexico, Africa, and even to Israel where the Lord's people were. And the role of the women in these countries is the same as it was years and years ago.

They provide for their family from their home. They are the ones who take care of the chickens. They are the ones who grow the figs on the fig tree. They are the ones that do all of the stuff surrounding their home to take care of their children. Proverbs 31 woman, who isn't real, by the way, it's a dream woman, but that is a goal to aspire to. She's doing all of the work to make sure that her family actually consumes the things that her husband works to provide. She makes it happen inside the home.

That's what the role of the women has been since the creation of time. Martha was in her role. Well, and just to validate what you're saying, Martha, I mean, when she said, if you had been here, and then they had a conversation, and Jesus says, your brother will rise again. And Jesus said, I'm the resurrection and the life. Famous passage.

He who believes in me will live even though he dies, and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this? Well, she responds. Yes, at the resurrection. Yes, Lord, I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God. But just, I was going to throw that in there. It validates your point.

That even though he was making the point in Luke 10, I mean, no matter what your personality is and your heart of wanting to serve, her heart was right. She was wanting to serve. Oh, she had ultimate faith. She had the ultimate faith. I think Jesus was teaching her a point. No matter, we're easily distracted. And these are important. But we all wind up at the feet of Jesus. So let me tell you why. Because when he walked in with, you know, 14, 15 of his closest friends, she said her brain went to...

I don't have enough eggs.

I don't have enough bread made. I need to go make, I gotta go put some, need some more bread and put it in the oven. I've got to do all of these things because there's 14 men and women in my house and they're hungry. They don't have a home. They have, which who knows how long that it's been since they've eaten a meal. She wanted to take care of them. She wanted to bring them comfort. And by the way, he, it's the savior of the world. It's not just some random group of people. It's the savior. So she wants the best, right?

She wants the best figs. She wants the best cheese. She wants all of that. And so she goes into work mode of doing what she wants to do to serve her master and to serve all the people with him. And so Mary just dropped her jaw and was like,

I want anything that you have to say. I'm a sponge. I want to soak it up. And that's what happened. And Martha got irritated because, you know, Mary wasn't in her role. Her role was to be what Martha was doing. And so I love Jesus's response to this because he did not rebuke her. He did not rebuke Martha.

He lovingly said, what Mary is doing is better. Not that what Martha was doing was wrong or bad. She was doing what her role was. She was doing exactly how she was trained to do her entire life. But what Martha was doing is better. And so...

To me, the point of that is as women, we can get caught up in our homes and in our families and feeding the stomachs and all of that. But when Jesus comes in and interrupts your day and interrupts your role, we need to stop and listen and forget everything else. And that's hard for me. That's hard for me to do because I do lean more like a Martha. However, it does not say that we don't have the faith.

That Mary has more faith. And John 11 proves that. Mm-hmm.

I was just going to say, you know, I think about a lot when I am reading books

Mary and Martha, and I'm always, am I Mary, am I Martha? And I feel like I'm both depending on the day. But I think about the debate on is it faith or is it works that's all throughout Scripture, and it's like,

It's faith as it works. And Jesus is like, well, if you love me and you have faith, you will do the works. And so I feel like with Mary and Martha, they're this example of faith and works. And they're both needed and they're both valuable in God's kingdom. But to your point, Missy, of becoming a person that is interruptible.

is something that I desire to be as a mom and a wife. Because when you get goal-oriented or you have your to-do list, which we all do, I'm the queen of, sometimes you miss those moments of, even I think about it with my children, when they come in to tell me something, but I'm doing my task, I'm so focused on my task.

And it's that moment where Jesus would probably be like, hey, you don't want to miss this. You probably want to stop and sit down and be present in this conversation. And so I agree. I think Jesus is offering up two beautiful examples of what women are called to do in Scripture and throughout. And they're equally important. Yes. Just like I'm with you. I need a plan.

And so back to those LSU baseball tickets, the plan was to get those four tickets and to have them when we walked in the gate. Yet we didn't have those. And I'm starting to get a little anxious. That's a nice way of saying it. I'm like, what is happening? You are channeling your inner... What do you mean we don't have tickets? We're standing outside. It's 100 degrees. And Missy kind of snapped at me a couple times. Look, I responded with a snap because I was like, hey, you know what?

It's fine. Because to me, I thought...

God, through Todd Graves, provided us with a better plan. We're talking behind home plate. So that's my deal. I have to have a plan for my sanity, but I need to be interruptible.

Like you said, Jill. I need to be interruptible. At any point did you think, had I ran this show, this would not be happening? Oh, no. No, no, no. The beard ran the show. And I told Jace, I said, I will not ever doubt you again. The beard can get us places that I've never dreamed before. Zach, I don't think your beard has gotten us into those types of places. To explain the situation, you're like, why were y'all having a conflict? Because Missy was like,

You haven't posted but once in five years on social media. That's not true, because you are posting on social media. Well, babe, I've already explained that to all our listeners. You are me. With help of me, Zach, and some other people. All right. Well, y'all know me, but I mean, y'all know. A collection of trusted advisors. But on this particular thing, I literally, because when I looked at it about the third response,

was, did you actually post this? I roll. And I wanted to say reply, but I was like, no. But that was probably an unashamed listener. This is your reply. But what caused the conflict is I was giddy. I was like, oh, I got a guy. Because I thought he's in my phone for a reason, even though I couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

And it's been years and I don't remember him. And I thought, it's fine, but Missy. And I think rightly so was saying, this can't be real. Who's going to give you some tickets? And the price of the tickets was for me to wear a Raising Cane's hat. And I thought, that's so bizarre. It has to be true.

And we actually like raising gains. We like the chicken. Yeah, it is really, I mean, in my opinion, the best chicken finger place on the planet. No, no doubt. I mean, that's an easy endorsement. I could drink the sauce. I agree, I agree. Since there was no plan, and this was happening just in the moment, I mean, I could see how she thought, this is never going to work. We have less than an hour to actually get in here. Where is this guy? Yeah.

And he was like, look, I think that's another thing because he's like, well, I'm at Rocco's. Well, then I started diagnosing that, which is the local bar there where all the LSU fans go. He may have had a few. No, I actually put in there, I was like, well, how long have you been there? Because then I thought, I've got to establish the credibility. And he's like, oh, I just got here. And I thought, hey, he just got there. Look.

He hadn't had time to get... One more side point you've probably forgotten is we're standing there on the corner. This is a sign. I take this as a sign. There are four policemen that are just sitting right there just in case anything goes awry. Oh, this is funny. There's a huge boombox playing like country music or something. One of the officers gets up, goes and changes the station. Yes. And it's on sharp-dressed man. Yes.

Yes. While I'm standing on the corner with the guy selling tickets, we're the only people there. And now sharp-dressed man is just... Y'all got all kind of prophecies going on here. It is crazy. And I thought, is he plugging his phone in and playing that on purpose? And then after it ends, it's like the local radio guy. Okay.

You're leaving out the funny part because when he turned that on, I said, now we're talking. And he didn't acknowledge my presence, nor did the other cop. And he went over and leaned back up against the vehicle. And I was thinking, you guys just ignore me. You know, I thought he did it on purpose. I thought it was like a trap, but it was just the radio. And then, look, finally he couldn't break it. He was all serious. And then he went.

thumbs up and kind of glanced at me, you know, and I thought, oh, okay, now we're on the same page. We've got off point, but I think it correlates to real life by saying, I think I need to be more open-minded. I've known this for years and God just keeps, still keeps reminding me of that. But I've leaned into my role. And I think it also goes to me being able to watch my daughter-in-law and

way earlier than I did of leaning into her role as a mother and as a supportive wife. She is amazing at it. And I thought, you know, if I wouldn't have been so, what am I supposed to do with my life?

And just been more comfortable in my role as she is, I think it would have brought a lot more peace to in our relationship and in our home and me understanding how to glorify God on a daily basis in that role. She loves being a mother. And you know what? She is a huge LSU fan.

Her dad, her grandmother, they have season tickets to football. Her dad passed them down when he died. They're inherited.

to some members of her family. Like, they're not giving up these season tickets. And she was home with three kids by herself while Reed came with us to the ballgame. And he was, you know, texting her and FaceTiming her and different things. But she said, you know, while you're gone, I'm just going to potty train David, too. So, I mean, she just took it all on with such a wonderful, great attitude about it. And I just think that that's

Another reason why women, if they just would go ahead in their 20s and understand their role and that lean into it 100% and understand that God made you for a purpose for your family, that your home would be such a more happier and glorious place. Yeah. And to wrap this up, I do think it was a sign yesterday that we had a young couple who are married and they just discovered that they're with child.

And we just, we had a, we had a, you know, a long talk with them that just kind of happened organically about life and doing hard things and different things like that. But that's what I was going to say, how that tied in with Phil in the, in the last days of his life. I mean, Missy and I became partners and God defined our roles and together, you know, we're better together.

at handling a very difficult situation. And I could see the Spirit of God working in that, and it passed on His legacy through the Spirit, I think, to our family. So with that, I think we're out of time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.