Ep 944 | Phil Ends His Nap Early for Lynyrd Skynyrd, Jase Confesses a Crime & Jep’s Gonna Be a Grandpa!
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I am unashamed. What about you?

This is chapter 16 of Matthew. They all wait the same. From that time on, he has a starting point. Jesus began to explain to his disciples, and this is what you're reading when you finally get to the books over there. This is what you're reading, what he had to say right here.

He must go to Jerusalem, suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, teachers of the law, that he must be killed on the third day, be raised to life. Now, you know it's a starting point because I turn one page and it says the Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. This is Matthew 17. Going to be betrayed. They'll kill him. And now on the third day, he'll be raised. And it just keeps going on. You say chapter 20. Started in...

18, 19, 20. 20, we're going up to Jerusalem. Son of man will be betrayed to the chief preteachers of the law. They'll condemn him to death. We'll turn him over to the Gentile. Over and over. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. By the time you get to Matthew, the end of Matthew, you say, what's the leading edge of it? Every one of them, I put it in yellow. The crucifixion. The death of Jesus.

The burial of Jesus, the resurrection of Jesus, the Great Commission, what were we told to do? Go preach that. It was so redundant that if you look at it that way, by the time you get to what they said to these different various groups of individuals, I mean... Who've now put their faith in this same... Who've now put their faith in it, but it just hammered, hammered, and hammered, and hammered, you know...

We're going up to Jerusalem, the son of man will be betrayed over and over. So nobody could miss it. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Well, how do they miss it? The same way you miss it when they're called to be there. It's explained. Y'all need to go with one group here. You have the preachers. But every bit of it is over and over and over and over. So much so that it becomes pretty amazing.

It really is. I mean, it's just zero point. I mean, everything he did, I mean, over and over and over. Then he'd go back to that. Got to go up, got to get up here and got to die. Got to be buried, got to be raised. So to miss the gospel of Jesus, I mean, you have literally missed the ground floor count. Yeah. I mean, it's it right there staring at you.

For four books, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and George. You can't miss it. Welcome to the podcast. So welcome to Unashamed. Well, you know what happens, Phil. Sometimes you have a cold open. Sometimes you have a hot take. It just depends on who takes off first. Let me just tell you what's happening. At this stage of Phil's life, at his house, there's a bunch of dogs.

Women. There's some older women there. Hurt women. Hurt women. Barely can make it next. Slip and fall women. I'm there. Mom's there. And Phil's sitting in his chair studying his Bible. That's right. And he reads it every day. And he gets up, looks over to the dogs and says, hey, don't miss this. Matthew...

So then when he gets out and sees people, he's like, look, let me just remind you. That's right. What's going on. I'm locked into a zone that I can't get out of. I might need to come down there. I've been so sick, Phil. I might come down there and stay at your house and become part of the infirmary down there that you're taking care of. You wouldn't have to say a word. Just ride it out. What's fixed to go from daylight to dark? You said, boy. Yeah. I mean, when they get on the gospel, dude, they get on it. Yeah.

But it is stated, if you count up all the times that it's stated, Jesus died with the bearing of the rays from the dead. It's amazing how many times that's mentioned. You can't miss it, you would think. But you look at the world now and you say,

No. I've said many times to people in various arguments, I've said many times the Bible is about Jesus. And look, the response a lot of times that I got was, it is? Yeah, I know it. Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing.

So we also, for those of you listening, you're not watching, you're listening. It's been, we've been rolling here five minutes and Jeff is here. Hey, let's walk in and had a seat. Sorry. I actually went and saw mom, the infirm. You said what happens when it comes out of that kind of logic, it's making sure you get screwed on. Right. Miss Kay made the deal. She looked over there where that road turns into my driveway.

Yeah. Over and over and over. I would look out there and I would see Jepico going to school. That would be you, Jeff. That's you, Jeff. And he would have the farmer's son up here. Gary Glenn. Gary Glenn be standing with him. They'd be throwing rocks at the mailbox or whatever. But he got his teaching and learning and a lot of it because somebody would just drive by, pull out there, no matter what they was doing, if they just pull up out there.

Gary Glenn would look over there and he would see all these Bible studies. Well, now he said, please come see me when I become...

It makes it known that I'm one of the elders of White's Ferry Road. I watched him become an elder, and I mean, it's pretty amazing. I mean, everything that pointed to anything, it was out there, and Gary Glenn was there, and you, Jep. I feel like we're making a movie here. From farmer's son to elder. To elder. Jep.

to Jepico, which is a version of Jericho. How it happens. How it happens. You start when they're out there throwing rocks at the mailbox. They're seventh, eighth graders. They do a lot of that, Jeff. Just keep pouring it. A lot of rock throwing. Keep pouring it out. I have to confess something, Phil. I started off throwing rocks at a bar sign, and I want to confess to you. I never told you this. I was seven, eight years old.

I guess I'd been five or six, but I'm the one who broke that sign out in front of the bar. Yeah. Every day I would try, but I wasn't strong enough. Y'all saw the whole two things. I was overseeing it. Treat yourself. The good of their healing is when they finally got the gospel down and being preached. Yeah. And when they're going to school, you say, and it actually happened.

churned out people who are elders in the church now. I want to get that off my chest because I just remembered it. Because look, I thought the sign, I didn't realize this is a cheap bar, probably the cheapest bar that you could lease that you had there. This is pre-Jesus. But I didn't realize, I thought the sign was one solid object. I didn't realize that it was hollow in the middle. So when the rock actually hit it, it just shattered.

Oh, you took the whole thing out. Oh, yeah. It just started crumbling. Of course, you know what I did? Ran. You ran. Because I thought, oh, boy. You did a Genesis. But you saw it. Every redneck kid runs when they tear something up. So, no, you never knew. Y'all never knew that Jace did it? No, I'm just now revealing that. I'm revealing that. I think Al was there. I was there. What did Phil say when he sees the sign? Oh, he just starts griping. Who?

What kind of man? What kind of idiot would tear up a person? Yeah, would do that. I'm sitting there thinking, gulp. Because he didn't think I had the power to pull that off. So I was eliminated due to my small stature. And since I witnessed it, I didn't say anything because I didn't want to get blamed for why didn't you stop me. Well,

A lot of cover up in the Robertson story. That should have been in the movie. If I'd have known about it, it would have been for sure. That would have been awesome. So Jeff, speaking of patriarchy, you, uh, you've got two married daughters. Now we've talked about that on the podcast, but since the last time you were on, uh,

there's a bit of news that I don't think we've mentioned on the podcast. Maybe we have. You want to share that news with the unashamed? I can. That made you feel? Breaking news. Breaking news. I'm going to be a grandfather. Hang on, Jep. This doesn't seem right. Hang on, Jep. Well, you know what, Jep? Now I know why you've been following me around for the last week or two.

Have I been following you around? We played golf together once. I looked up one morning, Jay, up here recently, and...

the ones that threw the rocks at the mailbox waiting on the school bus, they're grandfathers. They're grandfathers. And I'm like, what just happened? From rock thrower to- The name of this podcast is sometimes there's just not enough rocks. Not enough rocks. That's right. No, it was like totally not planned. Obviously, they're both in college and-

It's just one of those crazy things, but it's awesome, and they're super excited. And, you know, Lily, I think, has always reminded me the most of Mom. She has her stature and just, she's very sweet and just, so I'm excited. Well, that was where I was going with that, since I've just had another grandchild. Another one? Another one.

I thought you might be wanting to see how I was operating this transition because, trust me, it's a transition. Well, the difference being I'm not going to have a weird, goofy name like you. Jason's name is J-Rock. I'm like, come on, dude. Look, my name's going to be Pappy. Kind of like Pap, you know, just Pappy. Pappy Van Winkle. I like Pappy. Look, the original idea was to be a rock.

When the seas are raging and you don't know what to do. It morphed into J-Rock. Now, I have to admit, since those toddlers are not very good with the English language,

It's more. It's been a few other names. It's been jock. It was actually. I actually like jock better. Jock. That's pretty good. I've heard jock. It was actually gay rock. Gay rock. Gay rock. Jock. Or some form of that. So.

I mean, you chose a very difficult name for a two-year-old to pronounce. It was Rock. How difficult is a rock? We've been talking about Rock. That was my name, Rock. Go back to the sign. You know, on this rock. I was going to be the professor. Call me the professor. I mean, yeah. But I've watched the whole process. And, Jep, I'm looking at your whiskers, and they're beginning to get gray. Yep. Yep. They are.

From top to bottom. That's your number one granddad tip. You need to, number one, state the obvious. I'll just tell y'all, I mean, when you look at your children being raised, you'll look up and you'll say, what just happened? Because their children are now

Being married. Yeah, and having other kids. And having other kids. I noticed, number two, that my wife went to a different degree of insanity in a good way over grandkids.

So prepare yourself. Oh, that's going to happen. I just never seen anything like it. Jessica's definitely going to be that way. And her mom is like that too. When the grandkids on the way, that's one thing. When the grandkid comes out, it's like opening day of duck season times 10 in their mind. Yep.

It's going to be good. Well, look, we need to take a break, but when we come back on the other side, we have had, we have just been blessed here lately with some amazing guests and we've got another one on today. And so we'll introduce him on the other side of the break.

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We have the great Rhett Walker coming in from Tennessee. Rhett, welcome back to Unashamed. I mean, I don't know about great, but, you know, good maybe.

You are great, Rhett. Your music is amazing. In fact, I think the last time you were on, you actually sang a song, didn't you, in the lair? Yeah, I think so. Al, in his mind, he came on this podcast that nobody had ever heard of. He sang a song live, and then Unashamed was launched. That's right. You lost us, Rhett. He actually made us what we are today.

No, it's not the case. I was like, I get to be on Unashamed. This is great. Finally, my PR firm has done something worth notable of paying them for. Yeah.

Well, you and Jeff are buddies as well, which is one of the reasons. We love having Jeff on, but it was a good excuse to have Jeff back on because you were coming on today. So that's always fun too. Well, I've learned that just from listening that we're all getting old is what the case is. I mean...

Uh, y'all are all grandpas now. And I've got a, I've got a 19 year old now that, uh, is in a serious relationship and I'm just, I'm, I'm feeling it every morning when I wake up, I can feel my kids getting older in my joints. Well, my theory, Rhett is that when she does get married, which she will at some point, it may not be to this young man, but to somebody, uh,

that that will make you a true patriarch. When your kids started getting married, Zach just joined the club last year. And then of course, when they started having children, then you really are an old toot after that. So yeah,

Yeah, I'm just, I've been a get off my lawn guy, you know, since I was 15. So I think I'm prepared to be a grandpa. So I was, I was, it was funny, right? Cause I was looking up yesterday cause knew, know you were coming on. So I was trying to see about your new music and everything you're doing now. And there was a picture that popped up. You know, you just Google somebody or you can do a search. Dad, that's when you search on the internet for somebody.

And so I Googled and the picture popped up and it was you in the in your band with Willie and Corey. And I guess it was from back when the show was on. And it said Rhett Walker meets the Duck Dynasty people.

And that was the caption. And I got tickled because I thought that's what we were like. Nobody had an individual. We were just those people. And it didn't matter which one of us you were with in a picture. It was just those people.

So we kind of became our own thing. So I got tickled at that because it looked like it was from maybe 10 years ago as well. I'm sure. I mean, that's about the same as like just saying the redneck people. It's just everybody refers to me as, you know, that redneck dude that sings about Jesus. Who's that guy? Yeah, exactly. I will say last time I was there.

Miss Kay had made some jambalaya and it was in a bag in y'all's fridge and she sent it home with me. And I've been chasing that taste ever since. That was probably dad that made that. Probably so. I can't figure out what...

what i'm doing wrong and i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna die hey don't feel bad dude i i can't do it either i've tried many times it does never turns out as good as yours ever

And I've even put it in a bag laid flat in the fridge. I was like, maybe it sits overnight like that. That's what does it. You know, it just kind of combines. That's good. Even the carrier itself makes a difference. Now, my lovely wife reminded me, which I have, you know, I have a problem remembering anything.

reminded me how we met. And I don't know if you remember. I mean, you might be like me, but when she told me the story, I remembered. So we were at the K-Love Awards. This was like 2012 or 13 because our duck show had taken off.

And so somebody at K-Love said, hey, I got an idea. Let's do an award show and get those duck people to host it. Just think. Oh, gosh, yes. Who thought of that idea? And look, they also said, and let's get Rhett Walker to sing. I think you had a new album or whatever. So then this is how this meeting went down. You can look this up. This actually happened. I'm not making this up. What?

So the K-Love Awards, they're like, you know, what can y'all do? Because obviously they asked us to host the award show. I think it was the first one. I'm pretty sure of that. Maybe. Yeah. No, it was the first one. Yeah. Okay. Help me along. Yeah. At the Ryman. At the Ryman. Boy, you talk about rolling the dice. I'm not sure. I know it was me and Missy. I'm not sure who else of our family hosted that award show.

Anybody can fill in that blank. But I know Missy and I were two. Maybe it was Willie and Corey. Maybe it was. I think it was Mrs. K. It may have been. Oh, it was mom and dad. Yeah. Yeah. Because I remember because a lot of things. Yeah, that makes sense. Because I kept thinking, you know, a few things. That's what happened. They like scripted it. No, I ain't doing that.

No, I ain't doing that. No, I ain't doing that. So Missy and I did a lot of talking during that. But so then they were like, what can y'all do? And Missy's like, well, I can sing. So I think she actually sang with someone famous. I should know that. Did she sing with a rat? She sang a lot. No. Let's see. What was that guy's name? Famous. We'll ask her when she comes on. But they also, she said, well, our son can sing. Reed.

And, uh, so they said, well, let's have him do a solo. So he was going to do the song. Hallelujah. You know, hallelujah. You know, it's a good song. Leonard is Leonard Cohen. Who sang that? So we're on a bus. Somehow. Yeah. No, it wasn't Leonard. So we're on a, like a little shuttle going to the award show. So, you know, getting, I mean, we were a little nervous. We were not, well,

What are we doing here? Leonard Skinner did come down and sit on my... Oh, boy.

That was years ago because most of them are no longer with us. But we love Leonard Skinner. I'm up here in White Mountain. Buses pull out my yard out there. Yeah, I remember. Do you remember when Leonard Skinner died, they called you and somebody said, he's taking a nap. They didn't wake you up? No, that was me. That was another thing. I was like...

Like, hey, Leonard Skinner wants to see your dad. I think it was like some family members of Leonard Skinner and they were getting the band back together. And I said, well, he's taking a nap.

And we couldn't wake dad up. And dad was mad afterwards. He says, hey, if it's anything to do with Leonard Skinner, wake me up, son. Yeah, he kind of gave a list. He was like, look, if Jesus calls, you wake me up. The president calls, wake me up. Leonard Skinner, wake me up. Everybody else, let me sleep.

Remember that film? So anyway, so I'm telling this story because Missy told me. I was fascinated, and I hadn't forgotten it. So Missy, I mean, Reed hands Missy his guitar on the bus, says, will you hold this? But then the shuttle hits a bump or whatever. Guitar falls, goes into pieces. It wasn't just like a string fell off. It literally busted. I remember this. And look, it took years.

For that, what happened in that moment, for my wife and my son to patch that up. Because from his perspective, he's fixing to sing. He's nervous. Now his guitar is shattered. So we get to the rhyming, and we're backstage. And it's stressful. And we're not stressful people. But I can't blame him. And I think Rhett Walker was standing there.

in the vicinity heard the story and he approached Reed, never met him. This is how we met. So, Hey, you can use my guitar. Do you remember that? I remember that. God, that was, that's how we, that's how we met. And Reed's like, really dude. I remember him saying that, like, you don't, I can use your guitar.

And he walked out there, used Rhett Walker's guitar, sang Hallelujah. Crushed it. Crushed it. Crushed it. Which just shows you, you need the struggle. This was God's plan. I mean, James won. The trials, somewhere in there, you find that power of the Lord in the struggle. The thing I remember about that first award show was they got frustrated because I wore a cut-off sleeve waistcoat.

Waylon Jennings shirt to perform on stage. And I was like, Hey, you asked me to be here. You know what you were asking for? I didn't know you got called to the Caleb principal office. Hey, I just ran into Reed in Nashville. Like,

maybe eight, nine months ago, I was sitting at a restaurant and all I heard, Rhett? And it was Reed. He was on a lunch break or something like that. Yeah, he lives in Nashville, Rhett. Y'all should get together more often. Well, we need to pull out the guitars and just play for fun sometime.

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Looking back on that, that's funny. But, I mean, Rhett, that showed a lot about your character. You know, I mean, you're like, here, use my guitar. I don't know. It made friends for life, I guess. But I really appreciate that. And you calmed him. Because he was, I don't know how old he was back then. We could do the math. But he was very young. That was 10 years ago, yeah. Yeah. He was a teenager. He was a kid.

Fixed to perform. And playing the rhyming. Playing at the rhyming. Yeah. He'd have been about 16. Yeah, he had to be young. Yeah. Oh, I'd have been scared to death at 16. And look how it's all come full circle because then we have Rhett on and he sings a song and launches our podcast. And now, Rhett, I don't know if you know this or not, but we, one year, last year, we were the K-Love podcast of the year. And we have a, we have a, a,

a trophy there somewhere on the set to prove it. So we've come full circle. You just want to rub that in because I've lost every single award that I've ever been nominated for. I got nominated for a Grammy and it was a tie that beat me. So I couldn't even pretend in my head I was second place because there was two people in front. I was at least third. You lost in a tiebreaker? You're like in the golf, you know. No, I won the one. Yeah.

I wasn't the one in the tie. It was two other artists. I was like, I can't even pretend I'm second. You won the bronze medal. Yeah. Just go home. I don't want it. I think it shows. I mean, cause you got, I think I can help you with this, Rhett. You're kind of the duck people of the contemporary Christian world. You know, we were, cause you're just a different, you do you.

which is different. I mean, the fact that you do have that Leonard Skinner vibe, because for years, look, the reason I'm saying this, I never listened to contemporary Christian music, but when I was asked, I do now and I love it, but when I was asked, well, who do you listen to? I'd say, you ever heard of Rhett Walker? And they would usually say, no.

So why don't we listen to Red Walker? Well, Phil, you don't know technology. You have to use technology to listen to the music. If you don't have a radio, a cell phone, a computer, how could you listen to him? Well, I don't know, but he does something other than put it somewhere else.

Phil, the only way you're going to listen to Rhett Walker is if he drives to your house and starts singing. Actually, you heard him once on this podcast. Turn him loose. If you feed him jambalaya, he'll do it. Do you have XM radio, Dad? Sirius XM on your truck? Why would you ask him that? He doesn't know what that is. He would know what that is. Phil, do you know what XM radio is? Never heard of it. Phil, you're his son. What kind of question is that? What?

Phil, are you a Spotify or Apple Music guy? No. The last time we brought up Apple, Phil's like, well, how many apples does he have? He was thinking of the actual tree with growing apples that you could eat. And Spotify, I don't know where you'd go with that.

Well, I'm playing Fox and Friends at the top of the year. So you're watching TV. There you go. You found the one vein. He's fixing to break through all other attempts. He's breaking through. He's broken through. He's coming out. I told my PR people, I said, I need Dr. Phil.

to know who i am and they chased they chased that other guy and i was like you're chasing the wrong thing well if you fox news or gun smoke that's the two ways you're going to get to dad and gun smoke's been off the air for 50 years so no look i was really impressed i did a little crack research on what you're doing now because you have a new album out

I do. You want to tell us what the name of it is? Days that we dreamed of. Days that we dreamed of. And look, you actually did, because I don't want you to sound like you're bragging on yourself. So I'm going to brag because it's better. Because this is true. Because if I didn't love this, I wouldn't share this. So when I looked at his new album on YouTube, and he put this up yesterday. He put up this, there's a, you did a little docuseries about the making of the album. Yep.

I loved it. And here's why the number one thing I loved about it is it's real. It's authentic. And it's kind of the nostalgia, uh,

behind the scenes of why you did it, but it's about your family and about your roots and who you are, which is why I said when I related you to the duck people of the contemporary Christian music world, there's really nobody. Maybe Mac Powell and a pinch, you all have a little similarities, but it's just different because it has a gritty southern rock feel. But this song you did,

is more uh i don't know how you would describe it but it's kind of a misty-eyed kind of song you reflect on it so now with that i really loved it and i want you to watch it it's like 25 minutes but it's like a little docu-series that you and your wife did yeah i uh

I will say this, you know, you have different artists that make songs for radio or make songs for a certain platform. I've never been one to put Jesus into a song so that way a radio station would play it. Like I want to write songs about life lived and lessons learned because me and April were a teenage pregnancy and celebrated 20 years this year on July 3rd with four kids. I was like, I want to write this record kind of about

That that journey and we were sitting on the back porch and one night and every night me and her son back porch and I'll drop kick a kid if you come out there and bother us like you better need you better need the emergency room if you're coming out there. And and she goes, you know, we're living in the days that we dreamed of when we were 17 and pregnant and, you know, not even in the statistics to make it.

And it made me go, man, most of the time when you hear that, you think monetary things. And a new side-by-side will make everybody happy.

But those, those aren't the things that make life what life is, you know? And I was like, man, it's not the house you live in. It's not the car you drive. It's not how many commas are in your bank account. Like it, if you have a house that's full of love and points to Jesus and kids that, that want to sit around the dinner table and, and have dinner at night, like that's the days you dream of. And, and we have that with our, with our four kids, we got 19 down to six and

And, uh, so she told me that, or on the back porch, we're living in the days that we dreamed of. And then she said, we need bread. So I went to the grocery store and I'm on the bread aisle staring at my phone, writing this song because I was like, I gotta get out what I'm thinking. And so I know to most, I look like an idiot that had lost the list. His wife had sent him to get, you know, but.

But that's kind of what brought this record as a whole was like, all right, this is what I want to write about because my whole thing since day one has been faith, family, freedom. That's why I leave. That's why I sing. That's why I tour. And so I tried to encapsulate that into this record. And I'm pretty proud of it, man. I'm excited. Oh, it's fantastic. I think it's a sign of where you're at in your life and which I would say,

Obviously, a lot of maturity in Christ has happened because that's the feel I got. I saw one of your quotes on why you got into singing. I thought it was an interesting quote when you said, well, when I was a kid, I would go play guitar in the mirror.

And, uh, which I, I thought was funny, but it, uh, cause you know, me as a kid mirrors were frowned upon, obviously look at all of us. It's always funny, but, uh, it made me think of that James one, you know, when it's talking about trials come and I wanted to read this, I know you're familiar with it, but.

you know, persevere when you're under trials. But in that later, I'll have to see exactly where that is. Uh, in verse 22, it says, do not merely listen to the word. And so to see yourselves do what it says, anyone who listens to the word, but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his, uh, his face in a mirror. And after looking at himself goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But it just, I thought about you. I mean, you're, you're one of only, uh,

two famous singers that I met who at the drop of a hat will just sing. You know, most of these famous people and I've, we've been in those settings where they're like, sing a song. And they're like, nah, but I mean, you'll just start singing. The other one was Carrie Underwood, by the way, who, uh, we were, I think at that same Caleb awards, she, they were performing and they said, we're going to do the, uh, you know, warmup run through, uh,

And she came in with no makeup on with Brad Paisley. And they just started singing, not even the songs they were supposed to sing. And I just thought, wow. Of course, it sounded amazing with no mics. But I just wanted to say that, Red. I think you've been true to yourself where you're not just trying to, oh, hey, I think I'm going to be a singer. And let me sing the songs that are cool or awesome.

So it's well done. I'll say this, man. And I think y'all could say the same for y'all's career and, and who y'all are as people. I'm, I'm a believer first. Like I thank the Lord every day that I get to wake up and, and there's joy to be found. And, um, this world's a dark place and, you know, turn on TV. It's, it's easy to see. Um,

But the fact is we're believers and this ain't our home. And so we know that at the end of the day, we're going home to our, our heavenly father one day. And second, I'm a dad. Like I, I, the, the fact that I get to have the title dad, um,

and still have a 19-year-old that calls me that and a 17-year-old boy that calls me that and get to snuggle with my babies. That's the best title I've ever been given. Later on down the aisle or the line, am I a singer? I turned down Winter Jam this past year because I want to coach T-Ball. That's a big tour, and I love it.

but I think those, those are my priorities. And I think my career shows that, um, and, you know, I think the, the country boys need something to listen to too. You know, I think they walk out of, they walk out of church and they're, a lot of them are listening to Riley green or Rhett Walker. And so that that's my priority. It might not be my career to some artists might not be as sexy as, as others. Um,

But, man, as long as I'm paying my bills and be home with my family, that's all I care about. And tell people about Jesus when I'm on the road. Heck yeah, let's go. Well, look, the names of your kids are like an action movie. And that still always stood out to me. I'm like, you need to write a song just using the names of your kids as the foundation of the song.

So I kind of went with that in my mind, you know, because you could see it was like, well, it was autumn. I was running low on cash. The jet landed just outside of Raleigh.

I met a man, richest man in the world. This is kind of a Willie Nelson vibe, but you see where I'm going with this. Did you write this before you came on the podcast or is this off the cuff? I'm making this off the cuff. That's not bad. To get to the point. Y'all might need to do a writing session. You call it like the richest man in the world. His name was Jesus and he didn't have a penny to his name. It's because we've been doing all this stuff about riches.

Dude, if you did that off the cuff, man, you need to drive up to Nashville every now and then. I'll tell you that. He's doing it. He drives up there. I want to hear it in a tenor voice. For those of you who don't realize, I just used the names of his Ford kids in that song. There's no way you didn't practice that. I'm sorry. He practiced that.

I looked up and I was looking at that and I was like, well, there's his song right there. There's his next project.

But it shows you what you just said. I didn't make it up. He's put, I mean, he looks at his kids as the action, as the riches, you know, which is why they have such interesting names, which I just, I was impressed by that. Well, you got to be careful too. You know, all y'all young parents out there, be careful what you name your kids because names matter. And we named our six-year-old,

Elliot Cash after Sam Elliott and Johnny Cash and

We're paying the price. That's a 60 pound year old, six year old dude. That is, you know, I think I'm afraid he's going to start taking smoke breaks on the back porch. I got one named bear and he, that's what he acts like a bear. Somebody asked me recently how I got my name on actually on X on Twitter. And so I said, well, I assume nobody's really ever told me the Marshall. I assume is after mom. Cause she's Marsha.

And then the Allen, dad says it was after Alan Ladd, a Western movie star. Is that true, dad? Can you confirm that? I don't know. It's been so long. No, I think that's true. I don't know where your name came from. No, and I think Marshall was a combination of my...

My mom, Marsha and Marshall Dillon. Marshall Dillon, which makes sense too. So it was a West, you had a Western vibe. Had a Western vibe. And, you know, I never really got into the, you know, cowboy boots and hats. So it's, it's, well, you did for like six months. Remember you went, you was listening to Hank Williams Jr. When I was rebellious from the Lord, I was also listening to rebel country.

Hank Williams Jr., David Allen Coe, that was my era. Oh, remember, you took a big dip of snuff, and then you were just gagging out there in the yard. How you liking now? Part of my rebellious phase. That's exactly right. Well, I was thinking about that with family. You mentioned that earlier, Rhett, and that's one of our favorite verses on the podcast.

As you think about unashamed and what you think of, you know, Romans 1, 16. But we discovered in our Hebrew study that an even better verse for unashamed is what you were talking about. It's Hebrews 2, 11. Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters. And I love that because, you know, really that's more of the unashamed life is because he's unashamed of us.

which, which gives us power, you know? And so one of my favorite songs you did, I think it was last summer that came out, um, was the man on the middle cross. Love that song. Such a, such an awesome song. And, and because it's so relatable, right. That's, and I think that's what people are gonna love about your new album too, is it's just relatable, you know? Well, I think, you know, um,

After the COVID years, I think people figured out how to read through unauthenticity pretty well. It's hard to pull something over on somebody. And I think the Man on the Middle Cross was one of those songs that was just so to the point. There's no glitz, no glam. It is just the gospel. And

That was a, uh, that was a clip I saw from Alistair Begg and he was preaching this sermon at a Dallas seminary. Um, and he said, and it, it just, it, it gave me the gospel and grace in a way that I haven't heard in a while. He said, can you imagine you got the man on the left, the man on the right, the man on the left scoffs, the man on the right is, you know, going you're Jesus. Like, why are you here? And he said, can you imagine if the man on the right wakes up in heaven and

And the angels are like, how'd you get here? You didn't live a life deserving of spending eternity with Jesus. Like you literally walked the ground at the same time. You didn't go hear him preach. You didn't follow his teachings. How did you get here? And he said, can you imagine if the man on the right looked at those angels and said, listen, I don't know where I am. I don't know how I got here.

All I know is the man on the middle cross said I could come. And when I heard that, I was like, man, you know, we make this thing such a trophy, Jesus. Like if I get my crap together and I clean up and I quit doing this, maybe I could do enough for Jesus to love me.

But scripture says those who call upon the name of Jesus shall be saved. And, you know, that man in the last minute said, you're Jesus acknowledged him to be the king of Kings. And, and, you know, it kind of, it helped me on my journey before I wrote the song, um,

I'm just going, man, there's not those qualifications of salvation that we put there. There are things we want to do after we become a believer. You don't have to check your baggage at the door or clean up before you come to Jesus. You can say, you're the king of kings. I give you my life. That's what makes you want to read your word, be a better spouse, be a better parent. They're not qualifications of Jesus. And I think so many people can't.

carry that around and carry that baggage and go, you know, once I, once I quit drinking, like then, then I can come to you once I quit, you know, whatever X, Y, Z. And it's like, no, bring that to the feet of Jesus. And so, um, I, I, I found that, I found that sermon clip, uh, clip on Tik TOK, uh,

which is crazy of all things and was like, this is the song we got to write. And I took it to Matthew West, who I was writing that song with and said, Hey man, we gotta, we gotta write this clip. Have you seen it? And he had it pulled up on his phone at the same time. That's what he was bringing. He was going to show me that same clip. And I was like, well, I think, uh, I think the Holy spirit's telling us something here. And we, uh,

We wrote that song, man, and it's been amazing to put out. It just got nominated for a Dove Award that I'll lose. Don't say that. I don't know if I told y'all we got nominated for a Dove Award for The Blind. Did I tell y'all that? No. It's breaking news. Everybody's getting nominated today.

Hey, are y'all going to the Doves? I don't, I mean, I saw it online. I'm sure Zach will. I found out about it online, so I don't know anything about how to get there. In two weeks, I'm going to the Doves, but I think it's a different...

That's a different Dove Award you're going to. That's the Doves Award. It's rewarding. Can I say that that Dove Award might be funner? If you're not getting in trouble, I don't know.

Nobody important listens to this podcast, right? You're good. I think they'd understand, you know, I just want to go stand in some gravel somewhere and, and shoot some doves. And then I want to go win some doves. And, um, that, that, that's a good life right there. If you can add the beach to that, like count me in, dude. They're giving you so many ideas for songwriting here. Play on doves. That's just man in the world.

I mean, you basically wrote my new record. Hey, we had a writing session and didn't know it. Phil's now got him another thing that he can use to hear your music. Do you hear what he said? Tick tock. Tick tock. Tick tock. What does that mean when you hear tick tock, Phil? That the world's a ticky tocky place and I don't know how they're doing it. I never made the tick tock crowd.

Missed him. That's funny. I thought he was going to say, it's a ticking time bomb. Yeah, that's it. It's a giant bomb. For some reason, I just see Phil in his chair like tick-tock, tick-tock. What are they talking about? He has no idea what that is. You need to sing a song about...

You're a son. Wait a minute, Phil. Just because I did give my debut all the time. Yeah. I'm not the singer. I could maybe help write a song, but go ahead. Give me the idea. Well, just right now, when you walked in this morning and I looked at you and I said, 56 years old is...

It's actually 55. At this point, does it really matter? When I looked, I said, and you, Al, number one, fixing to go over there. He's over 60. That's not quite. Oh, you're not quite. Well, Phil went up a year. We had a leap year without knowing it. Yeah, and I was thinking, I need to get me out of here now.

Lord, because my kids have caught up with me. Well, don't leave us yet, Phil. We're enjoying your being here. You said, I need to get out of here. I'm like, no, stay around. It's a ticky-tocky world, but we need Dr. Phil to stay around. Jep thought your birthday was not until Sunday. He's two days away. Everybody was surprised. They're like, yeah, it's your birthday. What are you doing here?

So, Rhett, you know how I knew it was Jay's birthday today? Because it's the day Elvis died. Oh, dang. That's why I never got into music.

Why do you know the day Elvis died? Because it was the birthday party that literally went up in smoke. We were fixing to have the party. Everybody's happy. The candles are fixed to be lit. And then my mom said, Elvis just died. And that party died with it. The candles were never lit. Nobody cared. It's

It's like, it's your birthday and we don't care. Elvis died. And then every year I have to relive that. Don't even get you candles anymore. He was, he was, he was eight years old. It was 1977. That's how I remember it because it was August 16th, 1977. And Jason's birthday party just, well, what it did, my birthday became a reminder that Elvis died.

That's why I bring it up every year. So that's why I work on my birthday, because it's a good distraction from what people are really thinking. How dare you? I could do the Unashamed podcast, or I could sit at my house and everybody remind me that this is the day Elvis died. That's it. That's it.

Well, you know what's funny about this particular podcast, which, by the way, we're almost out of time, is that people are going to say, oh, you had Rhett Walker on. Yeah, we did. Did he sing? No, Jace did. Jace sang. We actually talked about Elvis. And we talked about Elvis. I thought that was pretty clever off the top of my head to take his – I obviously didn't practice that. What do you think, Rhett? Good.

Give us your opinion. I don't think you went off the cuff there. I'm going to have to... He was working on that last night. You thought about that on the way in your truck today. That's what I did. I sang the song. I practiced in the truck. I thought...

You know, that guy's the names of his kids. It's an action movie. He's at that stage of his life. And I thought, why doesn't it wasn't? So there's the song. The reason we had you on the podcast is we're trying to get Jason's pitch discovered. Yeah, this is a pitch for now. Collaboration. So that's what this whole thing was about today. Well, if if y'all can get Phil on it, then

Then I'm in. All right. But I need him to start the song with a spoken word. He did that with George Strait. Really? He actually sang it. I'm getting out of here with Jesus. I don't know how long that takes to sing it.

Nobody's getting out except through Jesus. I got that figured out. Phil did a duet with George Strait called Christmas Cookies. I think it was written by George Strait. It's actually a really good song. It's a Christmas favorite. Hey, we're talking about my album, guys. Yeah, that's right. Redirect it back. That

Days that we dreamed of. RhettWalker.com, I know is one place you can go. Any other intel for the folks? Yeah, Rhett Walker at Instagram and Rhett Walker Music at Facebook. But RhettWalker.com is the landing pad. You can find everything there. We just did a new merch drop. So if you like wearing shirts, we got them.

If you like wearing hats, we got them music. Go get it. So, um, yeah, no, I appreciate everybody. And thank y'all for letting me be on. It's always a pleasure. You're always welcome on unashamed anytime. So keep doing what you're doing, brother. We'll do. Thank y'all guys. See you next time. Thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes,

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