Ep 952 | Phil Uncovers the Sport That Sends You Straight to Hell & Big Pharma Really Is After Your Kids
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What kind of psychiatrist? We're saying which is the best way. Do you know a psychiatrist? The biblical advice, which is more perfect. Love God, love your neighbor. Have a controlled temper. You get to thinking. You say, when's the last time I've seen Jason Robertson mad? And it comes forth. When's the last time I saw Al Robertson? I don't get mad, so you can cross me off the list.

So there's got to be a reason why, because nobody recommends it in the psychological world. They don't mention it. They don't mention temper tantrum. But Phil, you've never talked to a psychiatrist.

I see them on TV. Oh. I see their results. I'm looking at their fruit, Jase, and their fruit. I'm sorry, but they're having trouble loving their neighbor and not throwing temper tantrums. I said, well, let me see something here. When's the last time I threw a temper tantrum? Well, Jase, you're my son. When's the last time you saw me? Yeah, I hadn't seen...

I don't believe I've seen one. Well, he asked me if when's the last time I saw him. And I'm not sure he was born with you. No, but I'm just, my personality is not like that. I mean, now, it's in Christ, you know, has a lot to do with it. But even before that, the only time I got mad as a kid is when my life was being threatened by my brothers.

Like bodily harm. Well, you know. That's an attack at you, Al. That was you were the culprit of said harm. Well, if a D cell battery that's no longer functional come whizzes by my head, I think, you know, if that would have hit me in the head or a shotgun shell hits me on top of the head, I actually remember that. But when you get on into adulthood and you have all these

which kind of lifestyle is characterized. And Al's got written down on that lifestyle 425 and 32. A life characterized by truthfulness, a lifestyle characterized by control, anger control. Yep. And Al makes the point that it struck me as a reason to be

pontificating on this particular thing. Anger is not a sin. God, Jesus are angry, but it can lead to loss of control. Tell me about it. In America, you say it can lead to, you know, anger grows in the soil of brooding and rehashing of hurts, real and imagined. If you think about it, you say,

You know, there is a he's saying there is a tremendous change in behavior when you start using the psychology that God used instead of the ones men used. Right.

And it becomes a vengeance thing. I mean, that's what you're seeing is like. I'm saying what's causing all of this. Yeah. And it gets down to behavior. I said, well, I never seen Zach Dasher mad and cursing and carrying on and jumping up and down. I said, well, what about Jay's?

What about Al? Are we in this thing about, you know, just getting all bent out of shape as it is? Well, but you're missing one little thing now. That's why I'm wanting you to speak. All right. Well, I'm going to put my counselor hat on since I do have a really good relationship with the greatest counselor in the world.

Your wife? No, the Holy Spirit. The counselor. Yeah. Much bigger difference. We have a psychiatrist that's already in us. You brought up an interesting point. There's a direction you can go and behave yourself while you're following Jesus. I think that's what is required in the book of Ephesians. What he's saying is, biblical advice instead of psychological advice

But I will push back on one of your points because you're saying, well, when's the last time you've seen this? But when you get to verse 10, there's, I mean, in 11 of chapter 5, there is a reason you don't see this.

Because there's a verse here that says, have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, which I would say fits of rage is involved there. So it's learned from your fellow man. Why does it spread like it does? Let me finish what my point is. It says, but rather expose them for it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. Yeah. Well, a lot of the things you're not seeing, right?

It's happening behind closed doors where you don't have a vantage point. Yep. So, you know, raised voices and four-letter words. But I'll tell you this. Now, I saw this in public last Saturday. I don't even know what day it is. I walked in here six minutes late, and thankfully, y'all are not angry anymore.

And I'll tell you why I'm late, and I think it'll be worth it. We never even questioned you, Jason. Never questioned you, Jason. I just put my life. Some people will look at their watch, and they start laying little things.

Ungodly sermon on you. Well, right. Yeah. But what I like about this illustration you're using is for those who are just listening, Phil raised his wrist that does not have a watch on it. And it has never. That's why I said some people. And he's, and he don't have a, you know how, you know how when you're out in the sun and you have something on you and it creates a white spot, Phil don't have that. The watch has never been on there. So,

You know, you brought up an interesting point. Can you survive the world's things that's going to come your way? Can you live by it if you don't have a watch? Yeah, you can survive. You don't have a watch. You've proven that, Phil. You're almost 80.

And you've never owned one. Never had a watch. Yeah. Maybe you live a better life that way. Which sums up my childhood. The three things. But have you seen a screaming person for whatever reason? I saw a screaming person Saturday. I'm fixed to share this. So Saturday, I was going to go play golf. You know, we had a day off. Saturday, go play golf.

So what they did is about 30 guys, 25 to 30 guys, they create a game because, you know, men are competitors. Yeah. So my buddy who I play with, he knows these people. I don't know these people. I'm acquaintances with some of them because I've seen them on the golf course.

And he's like, here's the game. You pay $10. Do tempers flare? I'm fixed to share what happened. So you pay $10. Now look, this is 10 bucks, which I realized 10 bucks doesn't sound like a whole lot of money. To not pull a stunt? So everybody pays $10 and you have 25 golfers. So it'd be six groups of some of them have four, some of them have five, some of them have three. And...

You go play 18 holes by the rules of golf, and if you birdie one of the holes that no one else birdies,

then you win a certain percentage of that $10 a piece. Because if you say 10- It's like a blind, it's a blind skins game. They call it a skins game. So it's 25 players now. They call it a what? Skins game. Skins game. I don't know why they call it skins. Because you got skin in the game. Maybe so. I think as well. So you take 25 times 10, you got $250. Well, if you're the only one who birdies a hole and no one else-

everybody else, like if you birdie a hole and somebody else birdies it, it's canceled out. You have to be the only person to birdie the hole. Well, if you're the only one to make a birdie on a hole, you'll win $250. But usually I've never seen that happen. Usually there'll be about three or four holes that one person birdies. So then they'll divide the two. So, uh,

You'll divide it up. Sometimes there's eight. Is there a lot of harmony on all of this? Well, so I'm going to tell you the story. Here's what happened. So you got five groups that they all show up at the tee box at the same time. We're all there.

And so now... Why are they going to the golf course, the little ball, to try to put it in a little hole? They're going to the golf course over that $10. You're looking for their psychological attitude toward things. Because you might win. People come out of a golf course relatively happy for whatever happened. I didn't think I was going to have to explain why people play golf, but they do it because it is a competitive challenge.

That's very hard. Golf's a very difficult game. So anyway, so the first group tees off, which I thought, hmm, because they took the five oldest guys and let them tee off first, which I thought in my mind, well, that was a mistake because now we're all going to be behind five guys who are old and they probably play slow.

So I think that's where the friction started because they just went up there. Friction on the golf course. And teed off. Yeah, but I'm oblivious. I'm over here. I'm not with them. How often does the friction move through the group? I'm going to tell you what happened. Here's what happened. We're here to relax, right? We're here to relax. It's supposed to be fun. So why is that guy jumping up and down and cursing?

Well, here's what happened. He's mad and you didn't do a thing to him. No, true. So the five guys tee off. And so then all of a sudden I hear loud voices back on the back tee. Uh-oh. And I thought, what's happening? Well, then I start hearing four- The chimpers be flaring. I started hearing four-letter words.

I mean, it got loud and very uncomfortable. And I'm trying to get the human race not to be that way. That's psychological operating the way you're going. And I thought to myself, why are they arguing? And they hadn't even teed off yet. And I mean, it just kept escalating. And then I saw a guy storm off. Then I saw a club get thrown in the air. Do they like this? Well...

I don't know. I thought like, you know, you're going to the golf course, it's going to be harmony. I mean, you would think that's why they're there, create an atmosphere of harmony. But you're describing someone who has that left heel. And I'm going to tell you that. That's about a high volume for young bucks coming up. That's what's happening. And so all of a sudden. It's all coming together now. In my mind, I went into. It sounds like fun.

You want to go to hell? Stay on the golf course. I'm just kidding.

There is your title description if you want to go to Hell's Den. They want me to go to a golf club and operate on the United States of America? I don't think so. You just described why I said, I wonder why I've never played a game of golf. I said, why are these people all day mad? That's why I don't play golf. Listen to this. This is a true story. So...

I went into reality TV mode because every time they'd say F word, you know, it was like my beeps in my mind were going after the word. I was like, this is like a reality TV. And I was just creating the beeps after it just because I thought this is impressive that someone could use this amount of foul language. It is. Like.

Just over and over. I mean, it was grown men. I would say 30 to 50 years of age, all the crew involved. Well, my partner, the guy playing with me, he's a better golfer than me, so he's playing off the back tee. He's involved in it too. And I was looking. Boy, we're having fun. Yeah. And so when he came up there, I said, what was all that about?

And he said, well, they wanted to go before us. And I had put my, I had teed up, I put my tea in the ground. Do they need a psychiatrist? Because these, these, these words. Well, they need the Holy Spirit. That's where I was going with that. Yeah. Well, that is the psychiatrist.

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And he's like, yeah. They need a psychiatrist or a Bible. You got to admit it, Chase. I said, I can't believe this. Well, no, it gets worse. So then they go and you think it's over. So now we're going third. We went third. We teed off because then you have to wait, you know, about 10 minutes for them to clear for you can tee off. So there's a lot of rules in this. Well, I look up at number one. So.

And that group who just had the big cuss thing and we were talking about their mama and their kid. I mean, everything was on the table there. And I'll whoop you and somebody better call 911. That was the gist of the conversation. And we wonder what happened to our children. So I look up on number one and the same group that caused all the problems on the tee box, they're now playing through.

The group that teed off first, they're going around them. And guess what they're all doing? They're all hollering at each other. So here comes the Marshall. He comes by, you know, like this is a way that's one of the ways pointed to just go out there on the golf course. I'm like, Hey, don't get out there on that thing. The way that happened, a nice friendly game ago. So by the time we finished one, the Marshall sitting there with just a dumbfounded look on his face, uh,

The marshal, deputy sheriff type? No, the marshal of the golf course who has no gun, no badge. Oh, him. He just has a sign that someone wrote on a piece of paper. It wasn't even typed. It said, marshal.

And I said, well, how did that go? And he's like, not well. Boy, this is fun and good encouragement for the young people. So it was embarrassing. But what I was going to read while ago. That's why I now know why these texts are here. Yeah. And these verses are here. I'm beginning to see it now. Go to a psychiatrist or man-made psychiatrist.

Or Jesus Christ. Yeah. I'd opt for Jesus as the better option. So I did take that opportunity, and I gave a little speech to my group. Because two of the guys in my group, they just put you together. I'd never met these guys. So I just said this is— Did you see a little bit of embarrassment? No. Or the way we're behaving here out here? Zero. Zero.

Zero. Nobody apologized. Oh, no, no, no. I wonder what happened. So I gave a little speech on the number two tee box because now we're waiting on the old guys who just got passed through and they're all barking at each other because I think they wanted to fight, you know, because they were mad. They were sitting over under a tree watching it. Are you enjoying that? No, I didn't enjoy it at all. But, uh...

Did you win any skin? And I did not win a skin, which is unusual. No winning, no money. Yeah, I lost $10. I saw a big fight on my way to shooting about 80. So then I got home and was kind of questioning my role on the Saturday big game, is what they call it. I was like, yeah, it was a big game, all right.

But I gave a little speech to them saying, this is what happens when you have no life. Because I didn't know these two guys. And they were like, they were just kind of looking kind of dumbfounded. I was like, if you're that upset because of where you're going when we're all going to wait on these five old guys, you know?

You need a little more meaning in your life. You need to. And so I gave a little Jesus sermon. You need to look at Ephesians chapter five and six. You need it. I mean, you need to get on another road. It's not worth it. I kind of defined golf. I said, you know, when you think about it, all we're actually doing is trying to put a round object in 18 holes that someone dug in the ground. When you look at real life, this is pretty small.

And we're not even arguing about that. We're just talking about when we're going to go partake in this venture. I'm jealous. Yeah, I was pretty embarrassed. But I did think about this text. So here's why I was late. I was late because I saw a news article. Someone sent it to me that Cy had gotten patriotic. So I had to go see it for myself. And I took two pictures that I'll share with those that are viewing.

And Cy had to redo his roof, which was kind of curious because I thought he, you know, the house is not that old. Yeah, it's less than 10 years old probably. So look, here's the roof. Here's Cy's roof on his house because I know you don't get out much. Can you see that? The roof of his house has shingles on it that is the American flag. I mean, you can see like from the moon, the people who just left,

They look down and they see a big giant flag and they're like, wow, that's cool. It's the roof of Si's house. And so, and look what Si gave me. You see the hat I'm wearing now? Yep. It has the same gospel diagram that you have, but this one is done with the colors like the American flag. So, and Si gave me this hat.

So he's gotten patriotic in his older years, but I'm glad he's got his priorities straight because he's got the gospel at the center, which I'm shocked that he didn't put the gospel diagram on the roof. So do you realize how, you know what I was thinking while I was doing this? I was thinking if I see a gun barrel come out of one of those windows, because I didn't know I was going to do that. Yeah. But fortunately for me, it didn't. But I was ready for it. I was ready to duck. I was using my truck.

as a barrier just in case he came out firing. Yeah. Well, the reason dad was so on fire when you got here is because while we were waiting on you, we were discussing, dad is talking about this psychological thing

approach to anger and impatience. And so your story was perfect for what we were talking about, Jace, because he was saying that these texts, you know, deal with this idea. Where is this? Where do people find this inner peace? Yeah. And Zach, you were you were in pharmaceuticals for years.

And a lot of, a lot of big money is rolling through the idea that you can medicate peace, right? I mean, in that part of the whole idea. Yeah. I mean, I worked in the biotech pharma industry for about 15 years. This is super controversial, but I'll, I'll go ahead and say it because I think it's true. But yeah, we, I think the problem is we've, we've pathologized a lot of what

is just really sin or trauma or things that we've tried to turn it into some like, you know, pathology that we need to treat with medication. And I'm not saying there's not a place for that, but I really believe that the vast majority of what's being diagnosed is, is you're not going to find peace through some kind of pharmaceutical. I mean, you know, I was telling Phil, well, it was funny as the last job I had, I was working for a company that,

that created a treatment for a disease that was caused by the previous treatment of antipsychotics.

Which I had sold. So I'd sold those. And then later on in my career, I was selling the treatment to a disease caused by the drugs I previously sold. And after you're in it for that long, you start looking around. You're like, man, there's a mental health crisis here. And we're throwing billions and billions and billions of dollars of antipsychotics and antidepressants and all this medication at it.

And we're not really seeing a good result from any of this. And we're ignoring. And we wonder why we operate like we do. Oh, I think it's, I actually think that it is, it's a travesty. And I think that, you know, if you look at,

And the way that a drug gets approved, anytime you take a pharmaceutical prescribed prescription drug, it has to go through an approval process, which the Food and Drug Administration is the one that actually approves it. And when you do it, you get this thing called a label or it's called a package insert. And what's in that package insert for the drug is it's everything that you can legally say. This is what this drug does. This is how it works.

And every single antipsychotic and every single antidepressant, if you look in the section called the mechanism of action, which means it's how it works, they all say some version of we don't know. We don't really know how this works. So they don't know how these drugs work. And then you think, well, are they efficacious? Do they actually work? Well, you can look at a drug like Celexa, which is an SSRI, and they did five, I think it was like five clinical trials on that product. And three of the five trials, the sugar pill,

The pill made out of sugar actually beats the antidepressant. But we're spending all this money. And I think what people want is they want that easy solution. Give me a pill. Let me take a pill and then I'll be fine. But some of this stuff, if you're looking for true inner peace, you're not. I don't think you're going to get it through a pill. I'm not a doctor. Let me say that right now. But I will say I've studied this quite a bit. And just look around you.

Do you think that we're in a better place in Western culture since the advent of all these drugs that are used to prescribe to treat all of these so-called pathologies? Are we in a better place mentally now than we were 50 years ago? The answer is obviously no, we're not. And I think that we need to quit ignoring that.

Our spirits, you know, as a human being, you're not just a you're not just a body, your body with a spirit. And so we need to address our spirits and the formation of our spirits and put as much emphasis on that, if not more than we do on trying to treat some some so-called pathology. So I think, Phil, your point.

well received from me for sure. I think that, and I do think Ephesians four and five and six are hitting at how do we get to this place of inner peace? I think that's what, where the text is moving us to. So Jace, you've heard people say, you know, those people just have the perfect family. Is there such a thing as a perfect family? I wouldn't probably say those people are lying.

Which makes them not perfect. Yeah. So we debunk that. No, we all make mistakes, and it's always...

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Did you look up pathologized? I saw you on your phone. Oh, you thought I was doing that, didn't you? I actually knew what that meant. I looked it up when Zach said it earlier. It is a word, Zach. You used the word correctly. Well, it was used in a sentence that I'm fixed to share. You know, I didn't plan on doing this, but yesterday a buddy of mine said,

sent this to me. It's an article by Lynn Allison. Here's the title. How Death Could Become Reversible. That's the title. Does it quote 1 Corinthians 15 after that? There are no Bible references in. I'll just give you a little bit of this. The first sentence in the article, can we come back from the dead?

It depends, says a leading expert. Dr. Sam Parnias' blockbuster book, Lucid Dying, chronicles decades of research that has led him and other experts to believe that our current methods of reviving those considered clinically dead are antiquated. Antiquated.

What does that mean, Zach? They're old, irrelevant. Okay. Although for decades scientists believed the brain dies within 10 minutes of being deprived of oxygen, recent scientific advances have proven this incorrect. Instead, after death, the oxygen-deprived brain and body go through a hibernation-like state for many hours longer. This means that for people who are otherwise healthy,

such as those who are victim of accidents, shootings, cardiac arrests, death should be understood as a medically treatable event, like a stroke, for many hours after it has taken place. Now, here's the part I wanted to read. He questions when life ends, when death begins, adding that while we've made major breakthroughs in the film,

with various diseases and cancers and other ailments, our progress in treating death has been stagnant. What we believe about death is fundamentally wrong, says this doctor. It is not the end, he says, but a reversible state. And so then you say, what are they basing this on? Researchers at Yale University successfully revived cancer

decapitated pig brains up to 14 hours post-mortem in 2019. In 2022, Yale scientists showed how a modified heart and lung machine combined with drugs, there's your pharmaceuticals, Zach, restored organs in pigs. It is just a matter of time, suggests Parnia, that these results can be translated to humans.

So it sounds fascinating, but the longer you read this, and it's very long, when you get to the end, it's basically saying it might give you a few weeks. And so I sent my buddy who sent me that, after I read it, I typed him this. I would rename the article, How Death Could Become Temporary Reprieves.

The best case scenario in the article is to get a bit longer. And that's only if you were healthy to start with. Yeah. But I just thought, isn't that what science does? I mean, in doctors, they're like, oh, we can reverse death for a few hours. Yeah. Maybe a few weeks. You know, it's like, it's almost like a...

Like it's delusional in a way. Yeah. It's like maybe at some point we might could live a year longer. Well, then what? Death is not reversible. You're going to die. Old age. At least he should have said that. I thought everyone knew that. Somewhere in there. No, no, it's a delusion. I think it's to Zach's point. It's like, that's why I read it. It's like, we're going to come up with some drugs that,

Because it still doesn't stop the aging process. It's just saying we might can revive some people that are not being revived. It's always aimed at the temporary solution, which what you just talked about highlights that so well, Jace, because that's exactly this whole discussion is can I put a Band-Aid on this situation and make it better, but not really deal with what the real problem is.

Never get to the heart of it. Yeah, I do think if they revive, you know, if there was a way to revive like a kid or whatever, you know, and they could live a long life, fantastic. If we could save one, fantastic. But I think it's making it sound like, oh, we figured out how to stop death.

I mean, resurrection style. But yeah, but it's interesting when you get to like the mental health stuff that Phil was talking about. Like it's like it's the language. It's on the language, like you said. And and it's it's it's primarily based on marketing. We have to understand this. Like we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars in marketing to market these drugs that have created drugs.

I mean, it's just and so after being in it for a while, I mean, I mean, there was a time when I would like literally argue with people when I believed in it. But you do it for so long and then you start looking around. What are we doing? There's a psychiatrist that I'd love to have on the show at some point. A friend of ours, Dr. Amen at the Amen Clinic. He is very interesting because he's pushing back against this narrative of.

that everything is a pathology in terms of, you know, he's looking at, but he says, you know, mental health is the only disease state that, you know,

We treat the same way we treated it when Abraham Lincoln was president. Everything else has advanced, but nothing's really advanced. And they're not looking at the organ. This is the only disease state where you don't look at the organ to treat. So if you treat heart disease, we look at the heart. You know, if you if you have COPD, they actually look at your lungs and they measure they measure, you know, your airflow and all that. They diagnose it based on that.

He said, man, mental health is a crapshoot. I mean, it's literally the most subjective thing you've ever seen. And he's a psychiatrist. And he says the majority of what we diagnose as mental health issues are actually not mental health issues. And he looks at the patient as a whole. And I think that, and part of that is the spiritual side of it. So I think that this is a big thing because what we want

I think for us, like we want that one and done solution. I would, it's a lot easier for me to think, Hey, give me a pill and then I'll be okay. As opposed to what the teaching here is, is no, no, actually it's not a one-time fix. Actually the good life comes from living in Christ. Like this, the concept of in Christ, that's a, in some ways it's more intimidating because it's calling me to put my whole self into

in a different life. But I think if you really want peace, though, we have to start thinking about that old question. How's this other way working out for us? It's not really working well. I think anyone could admit to that.

So I don't know about you guys, but when my wife is fired up, she's been to a conference or she's read a great book and man, she finds something great spiritually. It fires me up. Zach, are you affected the same way? I am, Al. I love it when Jill loves Jesus more. Yeah, it just makes everything better, right?

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television, my setup. I have a satellite system back home. And so certain shows are marketed a certain way. And most of them I've noticed to guys like me are marketed to older people. It's about buying gold. It's about reverse mortgage. It's about everything's aimed at older people. Since I've been here, the television setup is internet-based.

And so everything is through the Internet, which is what young people, how they do it now, because it can be cheaper. But I've noticed that most of the ads that I've been seeing, most of the marketing have been all pharma. It's all drugs. It's stuff I've never even seen before. So what's what's told me as I've watched this is these companies are aiming at younger and younger people.

to get you started at a younger and younger age on these different kinds of drugs for whatever. I mean, and it's been everything imaginable that your problem could be. And so I've just kind of almost been chuckling watching it because it seems it's almost every app.

is is pharma and it's aimed at younger people so i probably would have never noticed it although it's a lot even to older people diabetes and stuff like that but it's everything and it's all it's all aimed at a temporary solution and even when you hear them talk about the side effects they always say death and you know just the worst things imaginable ideation is a side effect

of antidepressants. I mean, like you can't make this stuff up and you're like, but I thought that's why I was taking the antidepressant. But one of the side effects is, is I may become suicidal. And, and it's like, but, but these drug companies are so powerful and they're pumping so much money in that. I mean, it's, it's a machine. I mean, like they have, they have lobbying power that is massive. And so, you know, I would think about this. If you, if you go to a physician and,

And this is I'm I'm saying most of the time, this is how they're going to treat you for depression. You're going to go to a primary care physician. You're going to tell them that you're depressed or anxious or whatever, whatever your symptoms are.

And they're supposed to do what's called a Hamilton rating scale for depression, which nobody really does that. But but but they're supposed to do that. But it's a subjective test. They're not looking at anything under a microscope. They're not looking at your levels of serotonin or norepinephrine, these different neurotransmitters that they think are associated with with these episodes. They don't know these levels. There's no like they're not checking your like they would check your hemoglobin or something, a white blood cell count. They're not doing that.

It's completely subjective. And then they were just throwing something at it. And then we go on with our life and we don't find any relief, maybe temporary relief. But we're not really getting to the underlying cause of what is why am I in this place that I'm in? And it could be a lot of things. It could be a biological issue that's happening, but it also could be.

an injury, a brain injury. It could be, it could be the fact that maybe I have some severe trauma in my life that I've never dealt with. Maybe, maybe there were sexual abuse in my life that I've never, I've never really dealt with that. Maybe, maybe I'm going through a, maybe there's things I'm doing in my own life. Maybe I'm just, I'm putting stuff into my life that,

That doesn't need to be put into my life. It's robbing me of my joy and my peace. And maybe the solution is me coming to Jesus. And so I think that when we try to fit everything and all of our answers into a pill is to reduce the human person to...

really just a biological machine. And that's not what we are. We're not a biological machine. We are, uh, we are biological, but we are also, we have a spirit and a soul. And what makes up a human is much, much more than just your DNA. It's more than just your hemoglobin. It's more than just your white blood cells. You are a spirit with a body. And I think we, we, we can't miss that when we're trying to find, um,

what we're looking for, you know, which is satisfaction and healing. Anger grows in the soil of brooding and the rehashing of hurts, real or imagined. Anger acts like a magnifying glass. It makes small things become huge. Read the newspapers and carefully study, notice how many murders grow out of little or nothing, but have been magnified by long settled anger.

This happens in a bunch of marriages. Things that early on were hardly irritations become the soil of hate and divorce. The text over here, each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor. For we're all members of one body. In your anger, do not sin.

Do not let the sun go down while you're still angry and don't give the devil a foothold. He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work doing something useful with his own hands that he may have something to share with those in need. Don't let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth, but only what is helpful for building others up.

according to their needs that it may benefit those who listen. There's some strong, strong medicine in these texts. I was surprised that anger is covered like that. It's a deadly thing.

people who run around and they're angry out and they don't know why they're angry. They just are. Yeah. And that next verse says, do not grieve the Holy Spirit, which to Jay's point is the ultimate counselor psychiatrist that actually lives in us, which is a very serious thing.

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We're indwelled by the Holy Spirit of God. And so we bring him in all interactions with people because all this stuff that we're reading. I mean, Jase, your life, I've watched it. You're not an angry person. Well, it's the Holy Spirit. But I'm saying it is the Holy Spirit because you can easily miss the role of the Holy Spirit in your life if you're not interjecting him

When you're dealing with people. It's like what I said about the golf. I had no, I woke up not thinking about golf. It's just fixing to be something that happened. And the next thing I know,

It's a fracas on the tee box over if that group's going to go in front of you. All over a little ball. People were mad and angry and throwing clubs and threatening deadly harm to each other. And it's like, well, did anything really ever happen? No.

But it was not, you wouldn't walk away from there and say, boy, there's a God. Because look at how those people operate. You would have thought just the opposite. And if anybody had the Holy Spirit, I'm sure the Holy Spirit would have been grieving in that moment. But I just thought, look at the theme of this. You know, we're going to get to Ephesians 5 in verse 1.

18 where it says don't get drunk on wine, which you think, well, because people use getting drunk as a form of medication because they don't have to worry about alcohol.

All their problems. It leads to debauchery. So I've been told. I've actually never been drunk. So my struggle with that is different from most people because my only struggle, which I haven't had probably in 15 years, is the curiosity of it. Because I think that's where the evil one starts. I mean, you go back to the garden. Yeah.

It really started with the curiosity, hmm, I wonder why he told me not to eat of that fruit. I mean, it looks good. And that is a strong pull. But once you participate in it, I mean, sex is kind of obvious, which I've shared this before. That wasn't a big temptation for me as a teenager, unlike most teenagers, because if you've never had sex, it's not easy.

as appealing because you're not sure it's back to the curiosity thing, which is a very strong pull. So I think that's the way the evil one works. But you notice what he says. He says, instead, be filled with the spirit. He just said, don't grieve the Holy Spirit. Well, if you start going backwards and look at everything we've read up to this point,

I read that in 430. I read that in 518. Well, when you look at 316 and 17, remember in his prayer, he said, I pray that out of his glorious riches, he may strengthen you with power through his spirit in your inner being. Well, there's a power that is unleashed in having God's spirit. You have to have him.

If you don't want to be angry. Exactly. And then when you look at 2.22, it says, in him, you two are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his spirit. I mean, it's a power.

It can influence you. You're going to need it. It's God dwelling in you, the creator of the universe. You go backwards to what we read. You look at 218 when bringing people together. Remember what he said about whether you're a Jew or a Gentile? It says, for through him, we both have access, whether you're from Israel or you're from anywhere else on the planet. You have access to the Father by one spirit.

And when you read Ephesians 1, 13 and 14, which is where he started this principle about the Holy Spirit, it said, having believed in him, you were marked in him with a seal, which is more about identity.

You know, when you mark something as a seal, it's like, well, who does this belong to? That's the whole idea when people used to use seals. Yeah. You belong to God. Look, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit. And I'm sorry, Dr. Whatever, on that article I read. But this deposit guarantees your inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession. There's your identity.

So, yes, death is reversible, but it is truly reversible because of the Holy Spirit of God. I mean, Romans 8, 11 says that. If the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, it will give life also to your mortal body. I wanted to answer that question about that article. That is the way death is truly reversed and is reversed forever.

And if you think about like, how would, how would we know the things that you're just saying? And I thought about, because I think about what the role of a counselor actually is. The role of a counselor is, is you come in with a perspective of,

that is flawed because that's why you're coming in because you're saying my perspective on my life is flawed. And because of that, I'm having issues. I need you, counselor, to listen to my story, to talk with me, to work with me through this. Show me what the real perspective is so that I can align with reality and I can find some healing out of this. That is kind of the role of the counselor. So when you talk about the Holy Spirit and all this, I'm not going to see

the right perspective without the power of the Holy Spirit. And that's why Jesus in John 14, he references the Holy Spirit as a counselor. He says, but the counselor says,

The Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name. What's he going to do? Well, he's going to teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. Peace I leave with you. My peace I give to you. This is what the Holy Spirit is bringing. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled. Neither let them be afraid. You have heard me say.

to you that I go away and I will come to you. If you love me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am. So the Holy Spirit, He is paramount to this whole thing of what we're talking about, because that's who's going to be our main counselor now. That's the one that's going to give us the perspective. And you say, well, what is the benefit of all that in the end? What does it kind of look like

if I live this life that we're seeing in Ephesians, I'm not getting drunk on the wine, which leads to debauchery, but instead I'm being filled with the Holy Spirit. What does that life look like? And this is the best part. This is what it looks like. It's really like, I think the slang for all this is getting high. You know, people, they like getting high. I mean, whether it's 10 seconds of sex, which when it boils down to it, is pretty much the gist of it.

Or getting drunk. Or you just think about it. We use that phrase, getting high. And Paul's point is the greatest high you're ever going to have is realizing that God lives in you. That is the motivation for all these relationships. There's a way to deal with it instead of just saying, I'm going to try to forget about it or medicate about it. That's why we make fun of these prescription drugs. Because you all have all heard that phrase.

When Jerry Seinfeld did the thing on that, it was like, oh, you want to fix your sex life? And then all of a sudden you start watching this commercial and there's two bathtubs on the top of a mountain, a man in one, and they're outside in a bathtub. And he's like, just think about what they're portraying. You're having sex problems. And I'm just looking at what I see. You're in separate bathtubs. You just hiked a mountain carrying a bathtub outside.

And now you're taking this pill because guess what? Just taking the pill is greater than sex itself. You're now climbing mountains. You're getting in a bathtub. You're holding the hand of your wife in the bathtub and looking at the mountain.

I'm like, I don't know if I should take that pill or not. And look, there's probably there are legitimate uses of the of of drugs. I'm not saying that there's never a case for it. But I am making the point that the pharmaceuticals are not going to be

the end all be all for your life. And so like, it's a temporary reprieve. That was my whole point. There are legitimate uses for it. And I, you know, and I, and I, I believe that, but, but at the end of the day, when you talk about your wholeness, what does it look like when you live a life in the spirit? At the end of the day, it looks like Galatians five, which tells us what the fruit of that is. And the fruit of the spirit, Galatians five 22 is, is love, joy, joy,

patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. And against such things, there is no law. So those, that's the fruit of the spirit. So you think, am I, am I seeing this in my life? And,

And you don't manufacture those things. You don't create these things in your life. But what you do is you submit to the Holy Spirit as he reveals reality to you. And to the degree that you do that is the degree to which you will experience joy, peace, patience, kindness, self-control. We're out of time, but I want to say, but that looks like Jesus.

He is his primary. If you had to sum up everything he did in his life, he was with people the entire time and showed the fruit of the spirit with people. And that's why when you read the book of Ephesians, when he says you need to know Jesus better and find out what the Lord's will is, you know, he's going to say that. I mean, that that's our lives. Start looking like like Jesus, the way you interact with people.

And we're making the point, we're setting the foundation for that. So whether it's physical health, mental health, it starts with a foundation in Christ. Then we work our way out. So we'll talk more about this next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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