Ep 969 | Godwin Created Jase’s Fave ‘Duck Dynasty’ Line & Jase Unwittingly Gets Drawn Into a Drug Deal
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Which I've been studying. We're fixing to study Colossus. Colossus. Oh, that's a piece of neck. We just finished he fees. Welcome back to Unashamed. We have one of my favorite human beings on the planet. I didn't even pay him to say that. John Godwin from our brother slash sister podcast, which is the Duck Call Room. Everybody knows John from that and, of course, the show.

But John's been a dear friend ever since he came to Christ over 20, has it been 25 years now? 25. 30? The man who knew. 30? 19, I'll tell you exactly. All right. January the 21st, 1996 at one o'clock in the morning.

Now, Dad, there's a guy that knows his conversion. His memory is doing a little better than ours. Hey, you can't forget that. Do you take Prevagen, John? I was going to say the man who needs no introduction. All those subtitles would be welcome or optional. I've told it before, John. I tell it every time you're on here. My favorite thing to do is watch an audience that has never heard you talk

outside of Duck Dynasty because they think you only speak in little clip phrases and crazy stuff like you did on the show. And when you stand up and share your testimony and your story and do your duck call demonstration, they are stunned. I didn't know he talked so much. That's what... That's what's going the greatest line in whatever, how many, 130 episodes, five years, whatever. How many seasons? It got weird. I think it's like 11 seasons. 11 seasons. The greatest line...

Of all Duck Dynasty, I think I'm going to give that to John Gowan. What? Really? They were sitting there arguing out in front of Phil's porch. Phil was mad about something about the water or something. And it was like everybody was giving their arguments. And Gowan was just standing there not participating in the argument. Yeah. But he had a mic on.

And Gowan said, my hands smell like taco meat. Remember that? It was this random... Had nothing to do with anything ever, but I just thought, this is...

This is. So in the moment of filming that, did everybody crack up when he said. We all laugh. We're all. It's a heated argument. Yeah. I think him saying that showed you since he was in the inner circle of the family that even though it appears we're having an argument. Yeah. It's not that big a deal. Yeah.

You know how most worldly... Which, by the way, for those of you listening to this podcast, because I know there's been quite a bit of rancor lately of you worried about Zach and because the whole big word argument. At the end of the day, we just go forward. John's been a part of our family long enough to know. So don't worry about stuff like that. We're good. We're all still on the same page. We love each other. Well, that's what I was going to say. Don't get...

More upset than we get about stuff. I actually use that line for the next three or four years in our marriage. You know, if I got...

We were having an argument. Now, I didn't say taco meat, but I would just, if we were having a disagreement or an argument, I would smell my hands and whatever they smelled like is what I would say. Smells like progress. That is some unconventional marriage advice right there. That's good stuff. You know what we've been doing, which has been better? Because we're all married here.

Because we're not having huge arguments, but we're having a disagreement, which is normal. We've been raising hands.

And I don't mean in worship. Taking turns. That's what I'm saying. When she's talking, I raise my hand. Nope. And then when I start talking. I thought you were saying y'all just got in and just started raising hands and singing. I think we should. She'll raise her hand. Her hand's already up. But we're doing it with a smile on her face. And then it's like tennis. Yeah. We're raising the hand, raising the hand, and then it usually ends. Well, let's just agree to disagree. Yeah. Go to bed.

Yeah. There you go. I like that. And speaking of wives, we were going to have Paula on today. Yeah.

But she's sick and couldn't make it. So we're still hoping because I don't think she's ever been on. She ain't been on this one. What a shame. I know it. She been on Duck already? Yeah. So how is that? Because when Jace and Missy are on together, it gets interesting. Oh, it does. You know, there's some usually a little bit of back and forth and you're not telling that story right. No, it ain't that. Y'all never had conflict. She just, yeah, she know her. She's a matter of fact. Oh, yeah.

He tells it like it is. Are you uncomfortable when she's on or comfortable? No, I'm comfortable. Okay. She's one of my favorite humans on the planet. She is amazing. You did good. And y'all have come a long way, as we all have. Oh, wow. In our marriages. We have. It's a struggle at first. But you embrace the struggle. The two becomes one. Well, I just remember, because we were next-door neighbors with John and Paula for 16 years. So we basically raised our families together. Yeah. So we were there for each other. Yeah.

And I just remember in the early days when somebody becomes a new Christian, you know, they're still got all the old life that's there that you've walked away from. But it's so much fresher.

Because it just happened. Yeah. And so some of the stories that y'all would tell, I mean, we've all got stories, right? Yeah. And some of the stories, I just remember Paula telling a story about some old gal that was making a play for you and y'all. I think we're out in the bar parking lot or somewhere. And Paula had her by the hair of the head banging her on the side of a cliff. This was BJ, right? Yeah. This is all before Christ. But I just looked at Paula and I was like, I mean, she's the sweetest person.

Kindest, you know, to serve people, person on the planet. And imagine her with a handful of a woman's hair. Go break your nose. Well, I knew then I didn't want to mess with it. And Goblin used to ride motorcycles and bulls. So how much whiskey did it take to look at a bull and say, okay. I wasn't much on whiskey. Oh, okay.

But I drank a lot of beer. Yeah. Smoked a lot of dope. Yeah. In fact, you were drinking beer the first time you met dad. Yeah. Sneaking it in the solo cup. Yeah. The first time you were. Them church folks wouldn't see us. That's exactly right. You are, like all of us, the definition of a new creation. New creation. For almost 30 years now. I can't believe that.

Now, I got one problem, one thing I've seen develop that I got to confront you about. You didn't know this was going to be an intervention. Oh, no. This is why we invited you today, John. We just- We're unashamed in intervention. Intervention. We just completed 16 days of teal season, and Godwin's always welcome, and he did not show up one time. Ooh.

And you're turning red here. I know. It's embarrassing. Now, either you were hunting somewhere else, which is okay. Never hunted. Never hunted. You didn't hunt. Or maybe, Miss Paula, somewhere in this transformation of marriage, somehow or another, I don't know. But I won't give your reasoning, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Two years ago, we planned a trip.

Oh. The Yellowstone Park. Okay. And it kept with her brother and sister-in-law. Are there any teal in Yellowstone? There was, yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, man. And so it kept getting, her daughter had a baby one time. It kept getting blocked. And then COVID, well, it was when COVID first come. That's the first one shut it down. And then daughter had a baby, and then this one was open.

And then we planned it, and I said, that's opening week of Tulsa. If you're listening, John's eyes just got really big. They really did.

I wish I'd have had a picture of that guy. You went out in a blaze of glory that day, me and you were there. Oh, that I'll never, ever forget. That's what happened. That is the most memorable hunt. That was when I was filming. Which is like the perfect one to go out on. I was filming the TV show, because teal only move at certain points of the season. I don't even know how to describe it, because a lot of people say, well, you duck hunt.

But teal, especially the blue wings, are a little different. They all get up and go together wherever they go. It's like women going to a... They did that and they came down in front of me and this man right here. It's like women going to a bathroom. You know what I mean? They all go together. Exactly. And the blue wing teal kind of have that. And so you'll get them...

Three or four days, maybe. Maybe one or two of the 16 days. We'd gone about four or five times, no teal. It finally came. It was just one man to have. It was just the two of y'all. I just kept hearing it. That's the sound of teal as they fly. Because you don't really look for teal.

You'll hear them. Yeah. So I tell people that when they're people, because people who don't hunt much, when we, we've had that problem this year, they all want to stand up.

And I'm like, you don't have to look for the teal. And they're like, what are you talking about? I was like, sit down and you'll hear them. You'll hear them. And trust me, the first time you hear them, you couldn't have shot them anyway, even if they flew right up. They fly, make two passes. So one of the funniest things John does in his duck call demonstration, in his speeches, is about, you mentioned about the women going to the bathroom together. It made me think about it. So when he does the teal call, he does, he'll say, here's the way the teal are. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

He does it for an extended amount of time. He said, here's the mail. And he just stops when he does it. And then he goes in this little bit about women and men and how many words they have to say. It's a fantastic. I do a similar illustration. I looked it up on the Google. A woman says 20,000 words in a day.

And a man says seven. I'm like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. He does the bag of words. It's so good, Judd. Well, in the duck world, the women do all the talking. Yeah. The Mallard hen and the Mallard drake, you could do the same thing with them. That's what I do, that version. So I wanted to tell you all that to say this. You'll get a kick out of this because now I can give you a hunting report and our listeners will like it.

So about two or three days before it was over, we had old Martin, your partner and former partner in crime, in a good way. He comes down because he wanted to film and he had a cameraman or whatever. Because it was the day after the front came through. And so we thought, oh, we're going to get them. Why are they going to move? Well, they did. Three of them came in. Awesome. And we shot two. And that was it.

So the next day comes, well, it's back down to just the bare minimum now because it's like, well, they didn't come. So when I get to the boathouse, so it's 530 in the morning, it was me, Phil, and Jay, I think was, maybe we had one other person, but my phone's ringing. And I thought, now who would be calling? I could feel it vibrating in my waders. And I was like,

who would be calling me at 5 30 because everybody knows you knows you you're involved in getting to hunting and i had waiters on so it takes a lot to get down in there and i thought you know what i'm not going to answer i'm i'm going hunting if it's an emergency they'll keep calling so we get in the boat and about that time jay says martin has your gun and i said well where's martin

Martin's not. He was here yesterday. Yeah. I then figured out why my phone was going off. And sure enough, I got my phone out. Well, Martin. So our gun cases look similar. And so I was like, well, I have Martin's gun. No problem. And Jay said, well, Martin's gun is a 28 gauge, which then led me to say, why would a man?

That size. He's an offensive tackle. He's shooting a 28 gauge. And for you non-hunters there, that's smaller than a 20 gauge. Yeah. The only man I knew that shot that gun was Cy a few years ago. He shot a 28. And I said, well, that's just embarrassing. And Jay said, well, he thought y'all's cases look alike. I said, no, not that part. I was like, once you become a man –

You put away childish things. I was like, this is like, I said, there's a reason boys don't get married. You don't want to show up honeymoon night with a 28 gauge. Everybody laughed. I'm throwing Martin under the bus. So I was like, well, I'll have to go back and get my gun out of the truck, which is 30 minutes away now. And I'm going to miss the prime time. The opening. So I dropped them off.

I come back here to where we're at to get my gun. Then it hit me. I was like, but I'm going to spend all my time. By the time I get out there, it's going to be over. So I called Jay and I was like, have y'all seen any tail? And he's like, no. So I went dove hunting.

Right out here. Oh, because you had a 28 gauge. No, I had my 12 in the truck. But a 28 gauge would be a pretty good dove. I didn't have any shells. Okay. So I killed three doves. Well, they killed no teal. So it actually, I made lemonade out of lemon. I could have blown up. How could any man, you know? Nope. Doves are way better eating. They're delicious. My wife enjoys the dove better. Me too. She's happy now.

And so in the meantime. I'm going to have to raise hands. Yeah, so here's what's funny. Here's what's funny. Good comment. So I'm out here in the dove field. Well, at about 8 o'clock, I had to go pick them up. Well, I look up. Well, here comes Martin. You've been describing a lot of settings where you've been out where it's difficult to get cell phone coverage.

Yeah. Because you've been out hunting doves, hunting ducks, hunting treasure. I'm in the wilderness, Al. It's hard to communicate. And it usually gets down to just as far as you can see someone. And just yell at them. Hey! Hey!

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Martin's buddy, our neighbor, Clay, had his dog eaten by an alligator. Yeah, I heard about that. Yeah, we told the story. And they were tracking him. And we showed some video. Yeah, he had his little chip, you know. Yeah. Well, now everybody's panicky because, you know,

We have dogs and we, I mean the gators, it's become an epidemic and they're getting bigger and bigger. So everybody's like gone in together. Let's catch the big ones. I mean, there's plenty of alligators. So we had to get a tag and we get the tag. They set out the line and he was coming to run the line. I was like, well, you could have come two hours later and brought me my gun. But anyway, so I had to clean my doves. I go pick up Phil and them. They didn't kill any tail. So on the way back,

Somehow, Phil, you got in on the play-by-play with the Gator, right? Yeah, I watched him drag him out. He had drowned himself on a...

sob he went out there made a circle a couple of circles yeah hung up oh he got hung up which made it easier to retrieve him they just dragged him out and he was about we have a picture of him he was about nine or ten footer yeah somewhere in that range you check out this picture john this is great which maddie will show it to you guys you know when you're walking through water about knee deep in this country did you see that picture of him you you run up on something like that he's

You understand? Oh, yeah. And it's got dad's head in the mouth of the game. Well, they said Phil was given the play-by-play from the bank, which is the wise position to be in during the season. You see dad's broken down like a shotgun. He looks like a big cat.

They're in that position. Look how he's, which is pretty good, Dad. You can still sit all the way down. I can't even. You break down. Me and John, you break down all the way like a shotgun when you're sitting down on the ground. It's pretty impressive. So we got the gator, and now they're looking into, you know, they're going to make a gator gumbo, which, I mean, Martin's in charge of that. We'll see how that turns out. When are they doing that?

I heard them talking about it. And they're also going to look in. I wouldn't eat a drowned alligator. Well, they're going to eat him. Yeah. So don't tell them that. Yeah. I'm going to try it, Phil. Turn them loose. Yeah. Yeah.

Jay said he found somebody. I don't know how many hours he got twisted around that post and died. I don't know how long that had been. I brought that up, but he said, if you put enough garlic, onions, and bell pepper in it. Well, he's found somebody, some Cajun that has found a way to do it where they're actually pretty tasty is what Jay told me last night. Yeah, so they're going to try it, but then they're talking about what they're going to do with the—

With the frame. Yeah. I don't know, boots or. He said the head of it, he's getting mounted, and that's going to be the centerpiece on their dining room table at his house. If they can get up your dog, they can get you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No doubt about it. Dangerous. So once they get too big, I think you got to thin the herd a little bit. So that was, it was an exciting. Wow. And that all happened the same morning.

Same morning. Yeah. So then the next day, which I shared about this on a previous podcast a little bit, but the next day, me and Jay went with Martin. As he said, I found a little nest of them. I tried to get Phil to go, and Phil's like, nah.

And I will say this, I think that was top three teal hunts I've ever been on. We killed 24 teal in less than 24 minutes. We were averaging one a minute. And we were just being very careful. So you went to Clay's place. We did. I mean, they just descended in there.

bunch after bunch after bunch and that smart weed that smart weed and uh they had some kind of millet out there there were hundreds of teal it was funny our greatest bunch we didn't shoot they were so pretty and we only needed a couple we just decided to watch them i'd say it's about 50 i guess

And they just kept coming in. They just kept coming in. If you get the sun up on them when they're banking and you see they're flickering that blue, that is so pretty. So it was really enjoyable. And that was the morning my waders were leaking. But then that night, Missy had had her little event, and we wound up baptizing three young women. That's awesome. And, yeah, I was wet all day, which was really good. Well, I don't know who normally hunts with Martin and Clay, but

But Jay told me last night that Clay looked at him after y'all were shooting those ducks. And he looked at Jay and he was like, man, you and Jay, y'all are shotgunners. Yeah. And so I don't know. He was apparently surprised by who normally goes that they don't hit a lot of ducks. I ain't noticing stuff like that. Yeah. I killed six. You know how I know that?

Shot six times? That's the limit. Can't kill but six. You was talking about how pretty them teal is and how God put the colors on there. I learned something in Yellowstone that is pretty awesome. Lodgepole pine trees that grow up there. Lodgepole pine trees. I call them lodge. The Indians used them for the teepee poles. Oh, yeah. It's a type.

Some of the pine cones, a select number on the tree has a rosin, and that pine cone won't open, let it seed out, unless there's a forest fire. Really? And it pops open, God said. And then it reseeds. I'll replant it. Isn't that something? Is that awesome? Pretty amazing. It is. Bizarre facts. It's got to be extreme heat to make it pop and let that seed out.

So when they have a fire, God reseeds the earth. And replenishes it. I was wondering why you were named after God, you know? Godwin. Pretty good. So I was up in Yellowstone a year and a month ago, and it was some of the most beautiful territory I've ever seen. It was amazing. And I noticed because people said, well, I want to see some wildlife. But I figured out like everywhere else in the world, especially a place like that, you want to see wildlife, go to the water.

Yeah. Because every time I found water in Yellowstone, I found all of God's creatures. I mean, moose, bear, elk. We sang everything we wanted to sing. Yeah, we did too. We didn't say a wolf.

Paula wanted to see a wolf. Yeah, they say that you kind of go a little further in the north. We went to the Lamar Valley up in there. That's where all them buffalo were. Right. Yeah, we saw a lot of buffalo too. That's a beautiful place up there. It's just a valley. They own all that, so it's like it's just made for people to go and look at, which is pretty amazing. Roosevelt built that arch. We went and looked at it. Yep. 1872. Yeah.

Let me see if I can find it. I highly recommend it. It was built in 1872? It was a park, a first park. You think they would let me treasure hunt that? Well, Daddy always told me you don't know what you get by with until you try it.

I thought you were just going to say no. He built this arch at Gaynor, I think, Gaynor. That's where they used to come in from the north side. And the arch says, for the benefit and enjoyment of the people. And that's where you go in.

That's the way that, when they go in in wagons. Did you go to O'Faithful? I was a little underwhelmed only because like, I don't know what I was expecting, but it just was basically some hot steam that came up.

And we'd waited there an hour to watch it. And I just thought, I mean, the whole area was beautiful and amazing with all the steam. But I just kind of thought it would be something bigger. I don't know. Were you happy with it? I liked it. I famed it. Well, there were a lot of people filming. There were a lot of Asians there. Yeah, a lot of. A lot of Asian people were there. Yeah, it was. They came from another country to see it. They did. And look, I'm sure there's nothing like that where they're from. So I get it. We was walking like.

8,000 steps a day on average. Oh, yeah. Walking them boardwalks. It reminded you of when we were in Utah that time doing that event? Yeah. Because it was the same kind of territory. Yeah.

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Well, Godwin gave us our segue. All right. We're in the book of Colossians. We are starting the book of Colossians. You're here on new book day, John. Well, I got a new book to study now. But you know what made me think when you said they had the archway and what was the slogan? For the benefit and enjoyment of the people. Yeah. Well, you just described the book of Colossians. Yep. You gave us our tagline. But with Christ being as the center. Yeah.

Because you think about, you know, when I read Colossians numerous times preparing for this, I think I got to, when I got to chapter four, which we're just, we're not going in order. This is the first time we've even talked about it. Yeah, we're just going to kind of do an overview. You know, when he gets to the end here in chapter four, he says, devote yourselves to prayer, which is not unlike Ephesians. When he got to the end, he started talking about prayer a lot. Being watchful and thankful, which is...

Kind of two things I experienced in the duck blind, but, you know, it makes me realize in my Christian life, there's a lot of things I need to be watchful for and to be thankful for. And pray for us too, that God may open the door for our message so that we may proclaim the mystery of Christ for which I am in chains. So you kind of get the context of his writing. And I think it was more kind of like a house arrest situation than being in a prison, but I mean, he can't leave.

Uh, then it says, pray that I may proclaim it clearly as I should be wise in the way you act towards outsiders, making the most of every opportunity. Let your conversation be always full of grace season with salt, which we can talk about what that may mean. Yep. But here was the line I was trying to get at so that you may know how to answer everyone.

And there are some other passages in Colossians also that makes me just thought, you know, this is for everybody. Yeah. And you remember that in chapter one, we said all over the world. I think this is verse 23. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven.

I mean, this is for everybody. Yeah. I think we forget that sometimes. Even the day we shot all the ducks, I didn't realize, because I wasn't thinking, what if we kill a bunch? Because I had a treasure hunt lined up after the duck hunt, but we killed full limits. So everybody took their limit. It was kind of like everybody take their ducks, but I'm like, well, I'm fixing to go treasure hunting. So what am I going to do with these ducks?

Six ducks. So I thought, well, what would Jesus do with these six ducks? Because I'm in a different part of town than I'm normally at. And when I got back to town, and y'all know where I was, you know where Clay's at. So when I got back to town, I don't know how you'd depict that part of town. I would say it's a pretty...

I would call it the slums of our Twin Cities here. The most poor community there is. And if this was at night, I wouldn't even attempt this. And you have been mistaken as a weed buyer before in neighborhoods like this. I've been mistaken for a lot of things. It's usually a duck dynasty guy or a homeless guy or a threat. Yeah.

He pulled up one time with some ducks, and he said, hey, you want some of these ducks? And they said, man, we out of weed. Yeah, that happened. That happened in my hometown. And I was like, I don't know. He's like, no, no, I got ducks. He said, man, we out of weed.

Yeah, I forgot about that. That's one of my favorite stories. I started saying ducks, and then it was like, weed, no weed, duck, no weed. And he wouldn't take them. Maybe he was going to pay you. So I tried it again. I told Mizzy this story. She's like, you better tell this story on the podcast. So I pull up at a store, and I roll down the window, and everybody started backing up. There was a lot of people around the gas pumps here. Everybody kind of backed up.

Just, I guess, the way I looked. Yeah. And I said, who wants some ducks? And it was just dead silence. Everyone was just crickets. And this woman piped up, the oldest looking woman. Yep. And she just looked really poor. And she said, I want them ducks. So I said, okay, well, you guys, I got the ducks out there. And she's like, well, I'm going to need $2. And I was like,

I'm not selling the ducks. That would be illegal. She's like, no, I want you to give me $2. And I was like, but I'm giving you the duck. And she said, but I need to get on the bus. I was like, oh, this has nothing to do with the ducks. She needs a ride. Exactly. I'm going to take the ducks.

But I need to get on the bus. I take your dust for $2. $2. That's like a. Such a group of people had gathered up. And some of them, you know, I wasn't sure just by the way they looked. So I was like, well, I can't find my wallet. But I'll give you my. Her last name wasn't Valdez. I didn't know where my wallet even was. So I dig out $2 out of my console. Yep.

But when she opened her hand, because she's got the ducks in one hand, and I put them in a little bag, well, she's got about $5 worth of change already in her hand, but I couldn't see it. I was like, well, you've been playing this game all morning, huh? And she said, exactly. Exactly.

So who knows what else she had. She had accumulated. I'd have to go back the next day and see what she had that day. Yeah. So then, well, here comes somebody else wanting $2. And I was like, look, that's all the $2.

this is over but then a guy stepped forward the biggest guy and he's like you want them dark dynasty days and i was like how'd you guess you know and he was like i thought that with you well then people really started gathering and so i was like well time to start talking about jesus because really the crowd had gathered and i was like let me tell you about the ones that

made the ducks. And look, when I started talking, everybody left except the Duck Dynasty fan and the woman. And she's like, I'm with you, honey. I am with you. When I said the word Jesus, that was it. That was the exit strategy. But I just thought, okay, this is for everybody. You know, no good, bad, or indifferent.

I thought it makes people mad, glad, or sad, or I got to get out of here. Dad, you know where he learned that little trick from old PR. Yeah. Because you two and the folks would show up back when the show, they'd show up at Dad's house, and Dad looked out and saw the crowd. He said, well, we're fixing to do one of two things. We're fixing to have a big baptism or a mass exodus. Yeah. And he'd go out and preach Jesus. Remember, Dad, you'd stand up on the back of the truck and lay it down? You could get about one out of 30.

But isn't that something? Just the mention of Jesus's name. And there's a power that is unleashed to where people make a snap decision on whether we're continuing this conversation or. But he ain't really there. That's what I'm saying. Travel is all about choosing your own adventure. With your Chase Sapphire Reserve card, sometimes that means a ski trip at a luxury lodge in the Swiss Alps.

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So, Jace, that's another segue into my favorite verse, which I think is the key verse of the whole book. In Colossians 2, 9 and 10, which says, For in Christ, this idea of the power of him, for in Christ, all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form. What do you want to tell my statement?

and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. So not only is he the, all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form in Jesus, and you are in Jesus. So what does that mean? We have all the capacity of the very fullness of the deity living in us. That's either a very scary thing or a very wonderful thing, depending on your perspective. Well, here's what I thought. You say, what's Colossians about? And I'm going to prove this to you.

And I think there is a caveat. You know, in Ephesians, we stress the phrase that you just read three times without even doing it on purpose, which was in Christ, in Christ, in him. But if you add up all the places where it says Jesus or Christ or Lord or even King, depending on your translation, with all the times it just says he or him talking about Jesus, you'll say, well, what is this about?

So if you just pick up, which some people call this a poem or something that Paul had- A song maybe. Yeah, a song that someone had put together because of all the paragraphs in the Bible, this has got to be in the top 10. It's a good one. And I'm just going to, instead of putting the he and him and the pronouns, if I just read it because it's referring to Jesus, if you started reading verse 15 of Colossians 1-

if I can do this without preparing for it. It says, Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Jesus, all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, powers, rulers, authorities, all things were created by Jesus and for Jesus. Jesus is before all things.

And in Jesus, all things hold together. And Jesus is the head of the body, the church. Jesus is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead. So in everything, in everything, Jesus might have the supremacy.

For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in Jesus and through Jesus to reconcile to Jesus or to God all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through Jesus's blood shed on the cross. That's a mouthful. That's a lot of Jesus. What I'm saying is a lot of people are like, well, you know, why y'all keep talking about Jesus?

I think this was about Jesus. Yeah, I think so. In some capacity. But what I think Colossians does, which I don't know if you want to have a theme verse that stresses is when he starts talking about mystery, and we talked about this in Ephesians, there were a few mysteries that Jesus saw. One of them is that Jews and Gentiles can be together in one. That's why I told that little story about going in the neighborhood. I was the only white person there.

And I was trying to use the ducks because the economy is so bad there. I thought this will be a good meal for somebody. And I think she actually turned into a salesman of the duck, which would be illegal, but it's okay. I mean, I'm like, you know what? I don't think anybody's going to put her in jail. But in that also, I was trying to share, these are people and I'm part of the human family with them. And that's why I brought up Jesus.

Because that's what unites us. That's one mystery. But one mystery he refers to at the end of chapter one is that the mystery of Christ is that he is in you. He's in people. And so as when you think about in Christ, in Christ, in Christ, well, now he brings up this idea of Christ in you. I knew at some point,

I never had noticed this, but I said, let's see. He's going to get to the very moment. In Christ all the fullness. This is chapter 2, verse 9.

All the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness in Christ. There you go. He's the head over every power and authority. In him, you were also circumcised, the putting off of the sinful nature. They said, what in the world is that? Not with the circumcision done by the hands of men, but the circumcision done by Christ. Having been buried, well, you know, with him in baptism.

and raised with him through your faith in the power of God who raised him from the dead. I said, I bet it's in there. I wonder if it is. But that's the first time I've ever seen that. Yeah. Well, just think about it. There is a point in time when the old you goes down in the water and is gone. Yeah, he compares it to a spiritual circumcision of the heart. Think about this. Think about the power of you getting in Christ. That's powerful.

Because he's in heaven. But then think about Christ being in you. Now, all of a sudden...

That'll start changing the way you operate. You're like, oh, I got to get in. I got to get in. I got to get in. Now that you're in, well, guess what? He's in you. Put that safety bag on. That's right. I mean, that's the last time when somebody said in our family, as not a joke, but like it was kind of a, what would Jesus do? You know, we were talking about some situation and laughing about it.

And I was like, hang on, let me ask him, what would you do? You said, because we got him. We got him. We got him like he's a million miles away. And I'm like, hey, what do you want to do here? What are we doing? Because he's in every single moment of every bit of time. Well, that's the only reason you could change. You know, people change. You'll see the change. And it's.

him, it's you really grasping what you've done. Yeah, exactly. I mean, we get caught up in the words of all this. Well, I have God's spirit, which is the spirit of Christ. But he just said, let me reveal this mystery to you that Christ is in you. I mean, that is just a powerful awareness that we don't,

We're scared to even deal with that. The old you dies and is buried. Yep. And the new you, you're like, whoa. One of the things that I noticed, Chase, this time through, because every time you study a book, because we came straight from Ephesians to here, the thing that I discovered was that the message that Paul is laying out here is,

Is impactful whether he knows you or doesn't. So Ephesians, what was so personal about the letter of Ephesians was that Paul had spent a ton of time with him. Remember, he lived there a year and a half. I mean, he knew these people when he left. Remember in Acts 20, I mean, he had this heartfelt conversation and they were all sad because they would never see him again on earth. And they knew that in Colossians, in Colossae, he had never been there.

This was what amazed me. He didn't plant the church there. It was probably planted by Epaphras, who we read about in the first chapter. So Paul sends them much of the same themes of Ephesians. That's why I just wanted to study it, and I agree, because there's some similar themes, although he looks at it a little from the different side. From the Ephesian side, it was more the body's responsibility. This is more the headship of Christ, probably because they were having more false teachers there.

Yeah, there's five different kind of groups that are mentioned that were the false. Which is why he's so focused on Jesus. He's like, here's the thing. Well, right. He doesn't say one, two, three, four, five, but I just noticed in chapter two, there were some people introducing some thoughts. One of them was like some of them were worshiping angels and some of them had this philosophy that was making a harsh treatment of the body and false humility and

But it says an interesting phrase in there, which I think is scary. When it says some of this false teaching, it said they had lost connection with the head. Yeah. Which, think about that. You're like, what does that mean? When you don't have Jesus as the focus, you've basically decapitated yourself, which is not a –

It's not a good way to live. You can't function. You're not going to be alive long or function very properly without being connected to your head. Lose your blessings. Kind of a gruesome analogy in there. That's true. So my point was, even whether Paul knew the people, deep relationship with sharing the book of Ephesians, or doesn't know them at all.

The message still applies. So if you take that and put it into our current thing today, sometimes we think everybody does church speak, and it's like, well, they're going to get it because the message is powerful, whether you're a part of a church or not a part of a church, whether you're in this church or that church, this group or that group. The message of Jesus, it counteracts everything out there. I mean, that's the one thing that's always solid. I also think it was a smaller town.

And I think it's significant. That's why I started this off of this for everybody, because Ephesus got all the... Yeah. I mean, it was like the Las Vegas. It was the Roman capital of Asia Minor, so it was like the... Well, they had a temple that was the seventh wonder of the world. Yeah, people came just to see it. And right down the road was Colossae, or however you want to say it, Coloss...

And Colossae, there were three little towns there together, and it was the least of the three. Laodicea and Hierapolis were much bigger towns than Colossae. So this would be like West Monroe compared to New Orleans or some other place. Yeah, and I think that's significant because it's all people. This is for every person, even whether it's a rural place or—

Some big city, you're like, oh, we're going to take over the world if we get this city. But, yeah, I think it's interesting. And so Laodicea, which is one of the other neighborhood churches there in towns, it gets mentioned in Revelation 3. Well, it's mentioned here. And it's mentioned at the end of this book as well. Yeah, which they're mentioned. That's the famous passage about...

I wish you were either hot or cold. Because you're lukewarm, I'll spew you out of my mouth. And I think it also has that where he says, I'm at the door, whoever knocks. Isn't that this one? Yeah. Revelation 3. Right. So the backstory on that. It's 314. If I can remember this off the top of my head, you had Colossae –

Would have been, what were the three cities there? Cause the water, I think Colossae was on the mountain. Yeah. And so they had these snow cap mountains 90% of the time, whatever. And so they were known for their fresh water was cold water. Yeah.

One of the other towns, the Hierapolis, they have the hot springs. Yep. Which is why he uses that illustration. And Laodicea, I guess he was using that for an example. I wish you were a hotter coat. You don't want to be lukewarm. Somewhere in the middle with the water illustration.

And Colossae was also known for making both red and purple cloth. That was their big industry. And so there's a little place, and basically we're all involved with the production of this one thing. But there was a major earthquake that had hit right around the first century. Destroyed most of it. Yeah, it hit in 17, then it hits in 60 or 61, which is about when this was written. Exactly. So either it had happened or it was fixing to happen.

Well, you just think about the pressure of this church, which a lot of people, one of the series I'm listening to, they're talking about living a non-anxious life in a chaotic world. It's because what was going on, I mean, Nero was in power, was the Roman emperor. Well, I would say he was...

Probably the worst. The most villainous. I mean, he killed Christians. Started a fire, blamed it on Christians. Yeah, he was lighting his garden with Christians burning at the stake. And, I mean, just was a terrible human being and was in charge. And was in charge at like 16. Yeah. And died at like 29. I do remember this, like his first, well, first thing he did as emperor was killed his mom.

Then he got married and killed his wife. Then he got married again and killed her. I mean, that was how he got started. So there you go. Good grief. Yeah. And, and not a big, not a big supporter of women. But when you turn on, when you look at their context, their backdrop, I mean, you just had an earthquake or was fixing to, or have one at least 50 years ago, which is not,

That long. Right. He suffered with that. And then here comes another one. And then you have a Roman governor and just dealing with the culture with the Jew and Gentile and the, especially when it came to religion, because they were being attacked on every front because there's five different thoughts that he brings up. So there was a lot to be anxious about. And especially the more poor individuals, because they had the Roman tax and that was basically how they built their fortress on their backs.

So with that as a backdrop, I think that's why it's so powerful. Yeah. Maybe the Colossians 3.15 comes to mind where it says, let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts. I mean, why is that in there? Yeah.

Because it's a search as a human being for peace on earth. And I like that kind of idea of small town because, you know, they've excavated parts of Ephesus. You can see it today. Same with Corinth. But, you know, when you go to Turkey where Colossae was, which it ceased to be a town like in 330. That didn't mean a town. You look over there and it's just a mountain. Yeah.

I mean, like it's covered up. They've never even uncovered it. They know where it is. And so I just kept reading into this as I began my study thinking, you know, God can take the smallest of things that seem to be not a big deal to anybody around them and turn them into a big deal. And Colossians is one of the best books to show the supremacy of Christ that's in the Bible. I think the two things I've learned so far that we'll get into is one, I've redefined hope.

Because biblical hope is not like English, what we define as on earth when we say, oh, I hope this happens. That means there's some level of uncertainty that it won't. But in Christ, whenever you read the word hope, you're going to see it in the first chapter. Oh, yeah. That's a certainty. Yeah. He's not saying, like, it might not happen. I hope the saints win. Yeah.

Well, then it also says it's based on good news and truth. Yeah. So if you said, Hey, the saints are going to win the Superbowl. Well, that's great. If you're from Louisiana, but what if it's not true? Yeah.

Exactly. It's not good news to any other state. Exactly. And it may not be true. So you're like, I hope they win. Well, that's not what we're into. That's right. Jesus, when it says your faith and love spring from the hope, well, that hope is anchored in certainty. So there's the difference. And I think that's one thing I learned. And the other was there's a lot about, he says, I want you to grow into maturity.

And so there's a lot in there about the process of becoming mature in Christ, which we really don't talk about much. Because the more immature you are, the more susceptible you are to believe things that aren't true, which is what happened a lot here.

John is always a player that went by fast. I'm going to read Kalasha. Yeah. Now John is like, I got to get into it. I got to get into it. We just tickled it. It's a tickle. All right. Always good to have you, John. Thank you. Love you, bud. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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