Shownotes Transcript
Stani Kulechov, founder and CEO of Aave, comes onto the show to discuss the lending protocol and second-biggest DeFi project by total value locked. Here are some of the highlights:
How Stani’s background studying law and his passion for fintech led him to the world of smart contracts (1:53)
Why he decided to transition ETHLend to Aave, and how that eliminated the “meme” narrative (5:55)
How Stani would explain Aave to a five-year-old, or your normie friend (9:04)
What new features were released in Aave v2 (15:54)
reducing overall gas costs
aTokens
swapping collateral
debt tokens
What Aavenomics is and how the “safety module” attempts to keep the protocol secure (20:39)
How AAVE works as a governance token
Active versus passive risk in governance staking
How Aave is transitioning from a centralized to a decentralized protocol (25:01)
what he's finding difficult about this process
issues with voting and an over-reliance on the Aave team
delegating voting power to what he calls “protocol politicians” and whether this is good or bad for DeFi
Who is using Aave and how they are using it? (37:27)
what OpenLaw is and how OpenLaw contracts work
how credit delegation, or unsecured loans enforced by law, differ in v2 vs V1
how people could use lending protocols to build credit
What Aave plans to do with the E-Money (EMI) license it obtained in the UK (50:51)
Since Aave was a pioneer in flash loans, which are responsible for the majority of DeFi attacks, whether Stani would do anything differently (53:12)
Aave’s partnership with tokenized real estate project RealT and how Aave manages it given that, in the US, RealT tokens are securities and can only be sold to accredited investors (58:42)
How Aave has been thinking about scaling given the high fees on Ethereum (1:03:57)
Why building a moat in DeFi is impossible (1:07:16)
What is next for Aave (1:11:40)
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Episode links:
Stani Kulechov: https://twitter.com/StaniKulechov)
Aave: https://aave.com)
Aave stats: https://aavewatch.com)
Protocols mentioned
Aavegotchi: https://www.coindesk.com/defi-game-aavegotchi-preps-for-jan-4-mainnet-launch-with-nft-auctions)
RealT: https://medium.com/aave/realt-market-coming-to-the-aave-protocol-da4499a1e965)
Yearn: https://yearn.finance/)
Uniswap: https://uniswap.org/)
Sushiswap: https://sushiswap.fi/)
Kyber: http://kyber.network/)
Balancer: https://balancer.finance/)
$LINK: https://chain.link/)
Aavenomics
Aave’s documentation: https://docs.aave.com/aavenomics/)
Safety Module: https://docs.aave.com/aavenomics/safety-module)
Summary: https://aave.com/aavenomics/)
More background: https://defirate.com/aavenomics-upgrade/)
Decentralization concepts
Handing off admin keys: https://decrypt.co/46544/aave-officially-hands-over-governance-keys-to-defi-community) + https://medium.com/aave/aave-admin-key-handover-3e09e603d348)
OpenLaw: https://www.openlaw.io/)
Protocol Governance: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/73336/defi-lending-aave-token) + https://docs.aave.com/developers/protocol-governance/governance)
Other topics
Electronic Money Licence: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/75845/aave-uk-fca-emi-license-defi)
Unsecured Loans: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/70678/aave-launches-new-service-for-unsecured-peer-to-peer-loans-on-ethereum)
Flash Loans: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/genesis/93740/flash-loans-as-a-capital-boost-tool)
Aave Version 2: https://medium.com/aave/the-aave-protocol-v2-f06f299cee04) + https://github.com/aave/protocol-v2/blob/master/aave-v2-whitepaper.pdf)
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