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So it's like, what is like either paul did IT or you guys did IT together? yeah. And so catch.

good luck. I stayed with her on the tenth and then I stayed at jay. May be baLanced as that night. That's where I was on the tent.

If this person can vote for tea being in seattle those days, that would at least bring a little more credence to her story. Do you like calling that front of years that you were with and see atle OK.

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the investigator here with me and he wants to talk to you about the night you I seen you at erma downs when paul left me.

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From tender for T, V. In lana, this is up and vanished. I'm your host pain lencs.

Enroll downs is a throw breed horse race track in washington. This is where a tea claims he was visiting during the time of vast y's disappearance, as a reminder, actually likely went missing on june events when he was supposed to be picked up by paul manzella, tee's friend, is her alive? So I called her, hey, hey, you do not get i'm doing well.

I think .

this pain i'm working with Kimberly lowering actually sister on a player ast, and we're trying to asking me people questions and just sort of piece together what may have happened really from you. I just curious when exactly tea was in C L.

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tuesday with you or what?

Yeah, I have my, I have my seventeen there, you mental express IT was saturday night with our race and .

we're sitting .

the whole thing.

Quarters for trade, which is party with perhaps your own complete. But SHE came in and um SHE is out there. Eight of us visit with us. Spent the night there.

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那个 in a way out there on the three way。 And SHE said he couldn't play how based Lucy SHE, was that he was that close, that race strap. And the result of the people there, there is people from all tries all over the united states ring there. But how how more than he was able to be that close and be even close?

right. And so do you know where t went after that?

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So that sunday morning after you left.

where did you go? I went out front. I told her that Jamie was gonna get me, I guess, and that I am going to go sit up front.

And so I set out there for maybe about hour and a half, and IT was too long to walk all the way back through to the gates, because there is all these gates that go down on ero downs crace track. And I think you would need money to get back again. So I was out stuck out there until his sister came and I kept calling and asking where he was. But I guess she's a armis. So lune, bring me to her house, went downstairs and stayed there that all time you'd have to call .

them to ask them. So king .

baLance one, okay.

that's poll sister .

and yeah OK.

And then see you went back to her house and how long .

so I am thinking since tell the fifth.

why do you member the fifteenth?

Because that's my hate. Poa paid his a six thousand dollars. He gets a month and not the only reason why he came back is because he needed to. And he will pick up this kid and I start, forget me. so.

Did you make communication with paul while he was in a .

little bit nothing like no love, nothing just when you going to come get me in of either saying he .

just luck and out so he think he was the .

fifteen that he came yeah know the fourth team because he didn't have any money when he got there. And I remember him making fun of me because I was eating chicken with ranch in the morning and he was just being a dick like a hurtful assets. So I don't know if I pregnant then, but I was not agree. And so so.

Tea left friends house on sunday morning, june eleven, the same day that actually went missing. He claims he went to stay with paul valenzia as sister jammy. I've tried reaching Jenny several times, but no luck, so I can't confirm this. According to tea, paul left for Browning on saturday, june tenth, and he came back to seattle on june fourteenth. Very strange time gap there for poll, considering ashly went missing during that exact window when ever paul life, there was plenty of time for him.

exactly. Well, that's what I was saying. So I mean, he made IT all the time, like he would go there for a run and make sure he was right back on.

First started dating, I never. I started kitchen on to his time. So then all of the sudden I start getting longer and longer.

One thing i've had a really hard time understanding is why exactly paul left t in seattle that day tears memory of this seems vivid. SHE brings that up a lot, but IT just doesn't really makes sense. So what prompted this argument that for going to kick you out the first place?

I don't get why auto song .

really just talk .

to me exactly, exactly. IT doesn't IT doesn't make sense to me. IT didn't make sense because that was out of character for paul. I bring my boys out all the time while he was gone, and he knew IT and had born fires. And we just trip out, turn off all electricity and just wait and creep out over the feds, you know? So can never got mad.

He would show what.

I see, I pull up by zone and about two car spaces down. There is a camera and its blue, almost like my Green one. And there is a cola gentleman, and he's fixed in his car with another gentleman, another, you know, and I go, oh hey what you know i'm feeling pretty good buzz. I get to drink even not doing drugs so I go, hey what years here you know um ninety six and I saw what years to marry on he said ninety six but he had um the toppers that come up mine didn't and I got minds and ninety six two as I got bad as and paul was looking I member looking over and through the window I could see paul his window was down and his son was in the back his son must have been on the phone and I remember policy this said his seat in the park he had and then he was watching me like this and then he like, are you and he started yelling in front of he's men and I like, wow. What give back and talking to these other guys.

what they were laughing .

at him because IT looks stupid, like he must have been really high. You know, he was not to get high, but I wasn't know, trying to conserve her a baby, I guess. So i'm looked at him like, what the fuck? You know, I like go fuck whatever.

And I didn't think he was serious. Like serious series, like it's blow over, but I never did. Oh, but IT blew over after I got home. That never was brought up ever again.

You know how a guy will bring up? So unlike you know, did you really like those guys or do you know those guys you know you'll get blamed over something that you did constantly. It'll be that person's mind.

But that wasn't I never ever heard of IT. I'm nAiling what who talks about IT? never. I mean, he truly wouldn't even remember, I don't know but when I talk about IT like to you.

I ve never because .

he never talks about IT he never talks about when I I was, I am the one exactly, I am the one sure .

wasn't something else.

No IT was I had to have been something else. That's what i'm saying. I had to have been there's that was at a character that was not paul. He did that for a purpose. Maybe this is the purpose life.

You think maybe there was something about .

get back home and that was actually maybe, you know, he's been testing all day, so maybe it's time to go home to her. You know.

let me get rid big for something about heard.

I remember seeing earrings, but he told me, and perfume, but he always told me that they were his sisters.

Was that there with autozone?

No, they were always know. This was couple weeks after that, I found him in the car and his daughters were n around his oldest unlikes. They don't work stuff like that. She's a slow girl. So I said, who's ideas? And he goes all the roses when I was waiting for him to say all the Ashleys as after um before he at the moves after actually missing this .

is what expense to me why he would go off to handle like that.

In that moment you would .

have to ask with something else that could have profited.

I'm coming off a dot. Maybe i'm a very grumpy y bitch.

But no, I didn't a .

stance from .

him whenever he saw talking to the guy. So it's not like you were .

act crazy here. No, I wasn't. I was just acting like a Normal .

person which was confused as we're .

gonna have to ask him. That's all I can tell you because when I like you know, I didn't ever bother to bring you up because, hey, he, mr, a nice guys coming to get me. I want to go home.

Will he remembers this?

Yeah, he Better. No, I don't know. maybe. Well, then what else would you tell you why you threw me off? I want to know the reaction.

I want to know if I knew. And he said, I knew. How was my response in the beginning? But how did I act? How did I look? What did I say?

I want to know that I want to to know, because i've never heard him say how I acted, what I say, what did I do? What did I do to him? You know, I wanted know that.

Who else that I tell? Do you have any witnesses that seeing me freak out like this over even her? I've heard a lot of stuff. I heard that I killed her and I said, you have to kill to. I heard a lot of things, but I heard that I killed her and I made him help me kill her.

Like I said, you have to shooter too and then I heard that I had a group of friends around down by the john javis burn in rose midicine, I guess was one of them and um call um I think I don't know who else but I guess we're all standing there to see a butterfly dragon fly and where I stand there and I said I killed there, you guys all have to stay once that's what I told everybody. I guess that's a rumor going around. Then one rulers, I called him bed together, and I shot her, and I had made paul help me bury her.

And the other rumor is a chapter. And then I don't know what others are out there, but another pretty gruesome. Those are the main ones I know about.

But when you hear stuff like that about yourself, it's really hard to defend yourself because of the fact that you're trying to defend yourself where somebody already believes in. So now my new question. So what do you think then? That's my new question. I don't sit there and try to depend myself anymore.

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The same trailer that kimberley said t set on fire when paul came back to seattle to pick tea up on june fourteenth. This trailer is where they went back to. But when I ask him about this, he had a very bizarre story. Walking through like what happened.

I jumped, dealt, he started bringing in his daughter and stuff in. I was standing there. I went to the backyard and felt empty.

IT wasn't home anymore. That was my first tom I ever really had of my own since I left her. When, as little kid. But now I think because I had something to do with dashing, I really do.

I think there's to somewhere maybe you might be out there, I don't know, but IT was smell like, so i'm really strong and IT was close, but I was like a dead smell. And then I think paul was saying that might have been the dog that died. Our dogs died or so.

Did you bring me up?

Yeah I said, what's that smell? And he said, I don't know. I think it's like the dogs are dogs are resident.

They might be did back there, but I never went back there, never did go back there at all. There was something dead behind the house. I could smell IT.

And so walk me through what you going.

When I got out the car or his suburban, I started on this side of the trailer and lived in my backyard for the longest time. And IT was empty. That was in my house anymore.

I wasn't IT was empty, and I started crime. Thinking how somebody could just leave you on the side of the road like there and they say everything's okay ay right now by use of horses to make you OK. But I didn't feel like how many more definitely something was telling me they're something wrong.

Where's that really?

Now it's still out there. I think pretty sure last time I seen IT is out there. I let ted on fire think the second day of winter days on two thousand seventeen, just the kitchen, because that was my trailer.

Apparently paul was trying to kick tea out of the trailer they were living in. So t decided to burn IT.

I went to puppy and I bought myself some beer, and then I was filling up the gas, feeling sorry for myself. And then I looked at a water bottle. I so I ducked IT on there, on the front, and then I lived on fire. And then IT, I thought I would like if I were a cigarette, you know, acting cool, but I didn't. IT went up in flames when I was in, almost got my.

And so I was standing there, well, I was going up and smoking, then I was screaming in the bucks, you beaches, come on, come down here and they, I said, the kitchen, I knew I wasn't going na be livable after that, but I was pissed. Everybody says, I burt IT, because ash, these bodies in there. So they say, I burt IT down, though. I, well, why didn't they find her yet? then?

Remember tea claims that paul was having some sort of relationship with Ashley, so I asked her about IT always the moment that you ve found out that paul was doing anything that at all when .

Kenny body came to my old, our new trailer that I was staying in, but I wasn't staying in and he asked me to go. Now I can sit down and talk with him.

Kini burdi is the black feet police officer that t was having a sexual relationship with.

He told me, you know, when you told me that your husband had a whole different life and I said, yeah he said, well, that pretty much does. He's been dating ash ally for three months. He's been having an affair.

And right then, and there just IT was like a whole thing just went through my head, just like everything that happened to me. fuck. And I don t care about her at all at that point.

I don't give a shit. And I figured, you know, she's going to come home. I don't know her. You know, nobody like goes missing, you know, forever. I don't think that then, but and I called him and was walking accused in him.

And the fuck sha, you know, the fuck going on, you fucking know, been lying me the whole fucking time. He couldn't answer me. He would not answer .

me one bit. eating. He is A.

I don't know, I think she's dead.

So what do you think and what do you think happened? I mean, it's if sams excluded from us, which that looks like he is for me. The next step logical set is to talk call.

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This is where we're at out of every person of interest i've talked to at this point, regardless of who did what, all roads lead the poll bounds zuela. The major problem is how the health do I find them? And trust me, i've been looking for months and the guy is just a ghost, but I haven't given up yet. Just a few weeks ago, I got a random message on facebook a man from Browning who asked me to urgently call him.

All I know is, emotionally, that person was very shaken up on all this up. I don't know. They were like, very scared. I don't remember the exact takes. I just remember getting a phone. They told me that they had had this girl at her house they was going to beat her up and killer or some I was always knew he was very shaken up, asked me I could come and picker up so I went to down to go picker up and .

then um I get there .

seems like terrify ed, crying, shaking, scared. I tried to calm down. He was freak out. He said they actually killed that girl the last the long day.

Who the hell is day? He didn't know either. All he knew is where they lived because he picked his friend up from their house.

I didn't know what to believe, but just for emotional state, i'd be to believe that suit are lying. SHE was all freaking out estero claiming that he knows that they killed that girl but he said they put her down into the gross space logic that say there's something but that's all know.

Well, you know, we're i'm going to that house and i'm bringing my friend Tracy sergeant, her could ever. So there's a good chance they do not let me searched this else. But here we're gonna.

Hey, pain, are you the owner of the house i'm working with? Kelly Loring, actually lawing sister actually went missing a few years ago as you're cousin. Yeah, we are here today. We have a search dog, and we're just eliminating different spots that have come up in our investigation. A rumor surfaced problem, not much to IT, that he could have .

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it's his property. He'll say in you're not allowed to be here. That's just how he is. And if he sell in drugs, he's going to are he's gna release his dogs on you but he's got another pit ball and I think he's a dumb dog.

but I don't know. So how would you suggest that portion should?

I don't know. I would drive up there exactly what you're telling me and just go there.

Do you live here? cool. When I was paying on the journalist from atlantic, I switched them.

I was trying to interview the guy who lives up on the hill here. Do you know much about that guy? Never seen him. No, I just really did you I just heard that he was kind of just one of those guys around here is what for, I guess? So this one will be in eye .

sight like this guy.

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